road. scottie is in town. of course, a ton of investment ideas. talk about that jobs report. we will continue to answer your questions. send them in 6:00 p.m. from orlando. here's lou dobbs. lou: good evening, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. president obama today making an extraordinary effort to draw a moral equivalency between christians, a millenium ago and the radical islamic terrorism of the islamic state now. president obama also chose to equate america's slave history with radical islamist terrorism saying both drawing on religion to justify violence and brutality. the president today embarking on what appears to be a new campaign of rationalization for both his policies of avoidance and his rhetoric that never

refers to terrorists as islamist terrorists. the president avoiding the words radical islamists because in his view the more generic the more abstract violent extremists is politically correct. but his political correctness apparently doesn't apply to christians. the president today gladly reminded christians who make up more than 70% of this country about the terrible things that he says some christians did in the name of jesus christ. here is the president at the annual national prayer breakfast. president obama: unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place remember that during the crusades and the inquisitions people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. our home country slavery and jim crow all too often was justified

in the name of christ. lou: well, as you noted the reaction from his audience, quiet. we'll be getting reaction from two leading christians in this country. catholic league president bill donohue. and bishop harry jackson. new testimony pointing directly at america's top cop as the one person responsible for an unlawful prisoner exchange. obama administration officials say none other than attorney general eric holder is responsible for breaking the law. and for the administration's refusal to notify congress before the pentagon traded five taliban terrorists for army sergeant bowe bergdahl last year. full report coming tonight. they're trying to stop violence from eastern ukraine from spiraling out of control. german chancellor angela

america la. french president françois hollande making a surprise visit to the capitol. pressing for a cease-fire. secretary of state john kerry making it clear during his own visit to kiev that the united states has no plans to send arms and support to ukraine. (?) >> we're not seeking a conflict with russia. no one is. not president poroshenko. not the united states. not the european community. we are very hopeful that russia will take advantage of our broad-based uniform acceptance of the notion that there is a diplomatic solution. lou: the secretary of state's comments come after defense secretary nominee ashton carter yesterday told lawmakers on

capitol hill that he's inclined in the direction of providing arms to ukraine. apparently, that didn't sit well with russia's foreign ministry, which today warned that any shipments of lethal weapons to ukraine would be viewed as a threat to russia's national security. we take up the obama administration's many foreign policy challenges tonight. we'll be talking with homeland security committee member, senator james lankford and retired general robert scales. tonight, we begin with the president's undefined and unsuccessful tragedy to defeat the islamic state terrorists. critics from within the president's own party are now emerging. they're pushing the president to get serious about destroying the radical islamists. fox new chief correspondent, ed henry with our report. >> jordan's military pounded isis targets today with 20 of their

fighter jets plus 21 american planes. as king abdullah met with the of the pilot burned alive. telling fox, after the brutal murder, the air raids have intensified. >> we are going to go after them wherever they are. and we're doing that. >> at the national prayer breakfast, obama offered his toughest words yet. president obama: we see isil. a brutal death cult that in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of bar bearism. >> they're pushing him to back up those words with actions. >> putting our allies at risk and allowing radical islam to run wild throughout the east. >> the pressure came from democrats like nancy pelosi who joined republicans in urging the president to give the king more weapons. >> i believe the administration should move quickly to give more capacity. >> for the second straight day, josh

earnest ducked questions on whether the president will move quickly to get the king weapons in the short-term. he did believe the president revealed a new pact with the king. john: we have this continuing security relationship with jordan. >> but there's a crisis right now. bombs are being dropped in syria. i understand the long-term. but the king -- there's a crisis. we're going in. so will the president prove it? john: well ed, this is -- the united states remains committed to insuring that we stand shoulder to shoulder with our partners in jordan. >> as the former head of the intelligence agency again criticized the president for not calling out islamic extremism directly. >> the arab leaders they will call it like it is. why is it that the united states has such a difficult problem? >> do you think the president has a

difficult problem? >> i think he does. i mean, call it like it is. i mean, let's get off the dime and call it like it is. >> which is? >> islamic extremism. >> while at the prayer breakfast, he compared attacks by the islamic terrorists to the american segregation and the spanish inquisition. >> unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place remember that during the crusades and the inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. in our home country, slavery and jim crow all too often was justified in the name of christ. >> republicans are now jumping on the fact that the white house denied a previous request from jordan for drones to target isis. congressman duncan hunter writing to the president tonight that he needs to give up those drones as well as more ammunition to show that the us is all in. lou. lou: ed, thank you very much. ed henry reporting from the white house.

while the president was offending christians worldwide, the senate arms commission was grilling the two men responsible for the white house policy on guantanamo bay. the hearing revealing that attorney general eric holder is responsible for the taliban five swap for sergeant bowe bergdahl. catherine herridge with our report. >> a federal government watchdog has concluded the administration broke the law when it didn't give congress the required 30-day notice before they were swapped for bowe bergdahl. this morning, a defense department witness testified, it was all done with the okay of attorney general holder. >> my understanding is the department of justice and mr. preston interpreted the president's powers. because of the security risk and safety of sergeant bergdahl,

necessitated proceeding without the 30 day notice. >> the number of detainees who are confirmed or suspected of returning to terrorism is 33% under the bush administration. and since january 2009, under the obama administration, 8% fall into this category. but for context the figures can be misleading because the vast majority of detainees were transferred out of the camps under mr. bush. more than 600. and under mr. obama only 120. and the head of gitmo policy made the argument today that the camp should be closed, pointing to the execution of hostages by isis this week, citing the jordanian pilot who was burned alive in a cage and the japanese hostages all wearing the orange jumps that was jumpsuit worn by guantanamo bay detainees when they first arrived at the camps. >> there's no coincidence that the recent video showing the pilot and the japanese

hostage, each showed the victims clothed in an orange jumpsuit. >> a republican on the committee made the argument that this logic just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. >> how many detainees were at guantanamo bay on september 11th, 2001? >> zero. >> how many were there in october 2000 when al-qaeda bombed the u.s.? >> zero. >> islamic terrorists don't need an excuse to attack the united states. they attack us for who we are not what we do. >> if the isis leader is captured lawmakers are told that al-baghdadi will go to federal court rather than federal custody where he will be subject to lengthy -- lou: katherine, it's bizarre that the administration would connect the color of a jumpsuit worn by detainees to the brutal barbaric burning alive of a

jordanian hostage. this is -- was there any offering of a rationale for such a clumsy effort? >> well, one of the main arguments of the administration and supporters who also want to see the guantanamo camps closed is they say it's a major propaganda tool for groups like isis as well as groups like al-qaeda. they point to these orange jumpsuits. what we see in the isis videos. the orange jumpsuits were also used in the abu gray prison in iraq. it's more nuanced than it might appear. several members said today, you just can't give us that argument in such broad terms anymore. (?) we need to see refined data that actually shows that there really is a connection to guantanamo and the propaganda of these groups. we'll see if the data supports that idea. lou: and i've said to -- the congressman gave a rational

rebuttal. our reputation, if it were so simple as the administration's logic i would think they would be calling for a change of color in the uniform. katherine, thanks. >> one of the arguments if i could add if you don't mind. one of the arguments about moving the detainees that remain to the united states, which is really their preferred option, it takes guantanamo and gives it a new zip code. they would expect it would become the next sort of rallying point for these groups. lou: yeah. bizarre. bizarre piece of reasoning i think on the part of this administration. we thank you for bringing us up-to-date. >> thank you for the extra time. lou: delightful to talk to you always. always helpful. thank you so much. the fbi is investigating a massive cyber attack against one of the biggest businesses in this country. anthem health insurance. the country's second largest health insurer. as many as 80 million

customers in this country had their personal data including income financial information, stolen. no credit card information was stolen in the cyber attack. so claim the officials of the company. experts however say the breach could be and should be a wake-up call to the health care industry, which has been the target of nearly half of all cyber attacks over the past year. one would think that that would have created an awakening much sooner than this. we're coming right back. >> can the republican congress and senate do anything about the president's executive amnesty fiat? can they do anything about why it opened borders? can they do anything? the question is: what will they do now? we're joined by homeland security and intelligence committee member senator james lankford next.

lou: senate democrats for a third straight day rejected a spending bill that would have funded the homeland security department and overturned the president's executive amnesty fiat. the stalemate leading to this exchange between senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and the former leader harry

reid. >> there is bipartisan support to move forward on a free-standing bill that sends the homeland security directly to the president. we want to do that. that's what should be done. >> as my good friend the democratic leader for eight years the majority leader always gets the last word. lou: well, not always. not anymore. joining us now senator james lankford. a member of the appropriations committee. and the select committee on intelligence. senator, great to have you with us. >> thanks, lou. lou: on the defunding, if you will the blocking of the president's amnesty fiat. is this going to be simply a continuous impasse or is there a path toward actually resolving the issue? >> it's pretty remarkable. the democrats actually aren't debating and voting it down. they're voting to try to block us from debating it. the senate has no rules in it. you have to agree to the rules for each debate.

the democrats refuses to refuse to debate the issue. the illegal action he took on executive amnesty, to declare millions of people they have legal status. all we want to do is bring it up. let's debate it. set that aside. fund all of it. the funding we have, it's everything in homeland security, but also includes this qualifier to say the president can't just unilaterally declare any group as legal status. lou: the republicans it seems to me, could also help their cause a bit here and arguably the nation's cause if they said you know we're simply not going to permit the imperial presidency to extend beyond this administration. whether republican or democrat. congress and the senate will be respected as envisioned by the founders and defined by the constitution. why not go to that point? make that guarantee. a contract to the american people, and by

god, end this nonsense now. >> yeah, be glad to actually. i met with folks from the white house yesterday and said, let's talk about how we'll do major reforms. these will take two years to do. they will start pass the presidency and get them in place and say, this won't happen again. they're so much of a guardian of their own power to be able to not go through congress. history will look back on this presidency and be ashamed on what they tried to push on the american people. >> what will be history's judgment, but before we get to that, what is your judgment of the president's extraordinary remarks today at the national prayer breakfast, in which we drew -- attempted to draw a moral equivalency between some christians and their violent acts almost 1,000 years ago and the radical islamist terrorists of the islamic state and al-qaeda? >> yeah. it's pretty remarkable. i happened to be there

this morning at the national prayer breakfast. great event. it was fairly stark to be able to use the islamic radical line of these are just crusaders and as muslims we're standing up against crusaders as we have for thousands of years. that's remarkable to head that direction to say christians are guilty of that thousands of years ago. the issue is what's happening now. while we can look back on history and find things in history, you don't find christians and buddhists and hindus beheading and setting people on fire. you find that right now among islamic radicals. that has become the issue. not only the problem in the islamic world as you have sunnis fighting shias, but in western culture. lou: is the republican party in charge of both the senate and the congress prepared now to confront the president with the -- and use the power of the purse to simply not fund his --

his departments that are most egregious in offending our constitution and law? >> we are actually, lou. that's one thing we've had control of the congress for all of one month. the senate has been trying to get organized. working through the keystone process. we want to get back to appropriation bills. it's been years and years. we'll do a budget. what a crazy thing that is. the democrats didn't do a budget while they were in the senate. we'll actually get back to doing budget process. appropriation bills. that's the spot where you can go through different agencies and say that's completely inappropriate. we've not had that opportunity for the last several years. we'll take that opportunity and govern now. >> this is where i say, really, it's been a month. it feels longer from new york. how does it feel from washington? >> it feels every bit of a month trying to get the committees lined and up ready to go. but it will feel like 23 months and then we'll

have a transition of presidency and, quite frankly, i'm looking forward to that. lou: looking forward to our next discussion. thank you so much. time for a look at our online poll results. whether you believe ashton carter's disagreements with the white house are so significant that he'll be fired before his confirmed to be secretary of defense. 63% believe that just might happen. be is to vote sure to vote tonight. do you believe the president's prayer remarks shows he requires far more education on religion, far more education on history, or both? cast your vote at loudobbs.com. up next, instead of naming the enemy president obama appears to defend radical islamist terrorists. we'll take it up with our panel of respected religious leaders. and sports illustrated readers are in for some surprises when the annual swimsuit issue is released later this

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lou: a few thoughts now on a president who attended a national prayer breakfast. he lit it up this morning. he waded into history and marriage emerged the worst for it. the president can't resist lecturing folks. and the opportunity to preach to folks including the dalai lama. let's call his remarks the sermon of the high horse. president obama: unless we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place remember that during the crusades and the inquisition people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. this is not unique to one group or one religion. there is a tendency in

us a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith. lou: well, it isn't just faith that was getting perverted there. the president seems to constantly be mounting his own high horse. it's a wonder, in fact he doesn't suffer chronic nose bleeds, but his effort on drawing a moral equivalency between rallied islamic terrorists today and some christians nearly a millenium distant. the room was quiet. mr. obama's comparison to radical islamic terrorists to the violence of some christians thousands of years ago is only relevant if president obama is acknowledging that the islamic state is indeed representative of some part of islam. otherwise, it makes no

sense for his excursion into comparative religion. but the obama white house nonsense doesn't end there, of course. the white house initially, yesterday refused to name the participants in a closed hour-long meeting with people described by the white house as american muslim leaders. now we wondered here who theythey were. what organizations they represented. the white house wouldn't tell anybody. it turns out, in the meeting in which they wouldn't describe, that they apparently covered a wide-ranging list of topics from obamacare to law enforcement the islamic state. all that from some of the participants. a few of the participants who actually did say what happened including comedian dean and the executive director of muslim advocates claiming the main topic of discussion was anti-muslim bigotry with

the president. wow. i wonder why a man so convinced that other mortals are so unaware of their prestigiouses prejudices never shares a list of his own with his citizens. i wonder, don't you? well, the quotation of the evening. this one from cs lewis who wrote an open mind nchesin questions that aren't ultimate are useful. but the open mind about theoretical or of practical reason is idiocy if a man's mind is open on these things, let his mouth at least be shut. cs lewis. smart fellow. we're coming right back. >> is president obama really drawing a moral equivalency between rallied islamist

terrorism and christians? bishop harry jackson and president bill donohue on president obama's prayer breakfast controversial remarks next.

lou: pope francis to become the first pope to address a joint session of the us congress. it's scheduled for september 24th. this is his first visit to america. the announcement from

speaker boehner follows president obama's shocking comments on christianity and rallied islamists. joining us tonight bishop harry jackson. a senior pastor of hope church. and catholic league president bill donohue. it's great to have you both here. bishop jackson, let me start with, what is your reaction with attempting to draw a moral equivalency between christianity of a millenium ago and radical islamist terrorists today. >> i think the president made a mistake because he chose to be a lecturer instead of a leader. he could have given us a clear repudiation of heinous acts in the middle east. i think that's where he started out. but by the time he wound up trying to explain things away so folks would not feel bad in the middle east he kind of put his foot in his

mouth. i think he should have been stronger. he should have been clearer. and he should have spoken as a leader, not as someone giving his kind of twisted analysis of religious history and the history of our country. lou: i believe he sounded like maybe a college sophomore talking about a lot of things he doesn't understand at a bull session. >> i think it's deliberate. i think he knows exactly what he's talking about. just this week in syria they took a gay man they put him in a tall building. blindfolded him and threw him to the ground. the guy was still alive. the rest of the crowd finished him. most of the crusades met the criteria of a just war. they didn't go with machetes against kids. it was a defensive war.

who did the christians fight? it's called muslim madmen. somehow mr. obama missed it in school. also, the inquisition about which the catholic church had almost nothing to do with it. it was the secular authorities who were burning people at the stakes because they thought people were heretics for not recognizing the god-given right of the king. it's all bad history. we have a strain of slasm that's very popular today. it's a popular version of islam. something fundamentally wrong with the religion that this is allowed to go on. lou: and that sect within islam is? >> well, these are the people -- they should talk about the islamists. right? they're killing the wrong people as well. this is a pernicious comparison to compare the inquisitions to the savages going on today. >> i agree with you. but i also believe

intertwined in islam is a geopolitical bent which is absent from christianity. meaning, that there's a desire to take over the land or whatever country they're in incrementally and that's been at the foundation of islamic advancement over the years. lou: you know, i find it extraordinary that the president would even create even breach this effort at a moral equivalency. on its face does not exist. you can contort reason. but you can contort facts of history. but the reality is, you will never be successful because what we're looking at is a monstrous barbarous sect within islam that is destroying lives and doing so in the most -- to me, the most repulsive manner possible. >> he has an absolute fixation on this idea that we've got to

protect islam. now, we know that most muslims are good people. but it's not an an anomaly to say there are millions of muslims that accept islam in its murderous -- everybody listening to the program, what i just said happens to be historically true and it's contemporaneously true. why can't he say it. what's holding him back? lou: it's a great question. let me ask you this, is there anything in christianity that would say that those who would, if one could even conjure the -- imagine that there would be an analogue in christianity today to the radical islamist terrorists, the idea that christians, whatever religion you would pick, buddhist, it doesn't really matter would be, frankly quiet and accepting

acquiescent, if you will of terror being carried out in the name of their very religion? >> no, there isn't. i think president obama because of his upbringing his exposure to islamic people is trying to justify these behaviors. he sees himself as creating a melting pot opportunity in our nation, where all people are accepted. but he's twisting the facts. and as you say, he's taking something that's very extreme and he's saying, these folks aren't so bad. don't think of them badly. don't be prejudiced against them. but unfortunately it's ignoring the real facts on the table that he so clearly articulated. >> thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. up next, the islamic state hit hard after they burned a jordanian pilot alive just as the jordanian king promised

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former commandant of the army collage. let's start with kerry and kiev saying we don't want a war. we don't want to provide any weaponry to the iranians. that would disturb mr. putin. (?) is this what the us government has been reduced to? >> absolutely right. i don't think there's any question. and russia certainly is not following this -- following mr. kerry's line. the russians are being extremely aggressive in eastern ukraine. the reason they've taken ground recently, the reason why the government casualties have gone up is the russians have upped the ante. they're using drones and precision radar. they're bringing up artillery all the way up to the border. they're bringing in tanks. the russians are perfectly capable of

upping the ante of pushing the ukrainian government out. mr. kerry is saying, well, we don't want to antagonize the russians. putin is at war. we're at peace. frankly, sadly, the russians are winning this. >> and the ukrainians are in peril. >> oh, yeah. lou: and there's something that i can't accept as a coincidence a pentagon think tank releases a study that shows that putin suffers from asperger's syndrome and intelligence being shared from other intelligence agencies that he has an addictive personality, addicted to money, to sex to power. you know who knew? [laughter] this looks like a psyops operation. it doesn't look like one that will -- he'll either be mused amused or angry as hell. which would it be? >> i think he'll be amused.

he has a tragedy in the ukraine. around the periphery of russia and we don't. it's simply to restore the greatness of the russian empire prior to the revolution. whether he has asperger's or a wacko or not. at least he has a tragedy. strategy. and he has a timetable he's following. he's applying force. he's meet meting out force with great care and precision. so far he doesn't see nato or the united states or anybody else for that matter doing anything to oppose him. we need to send the ukrainians weapons that can be effective against the russians. a small amount of force. lou: what are the odds? what are the odds? >> well, it's too late i'm sad to say. it's just getting too late. lou: it's a done deal. >> yeah, he's achieving his objective. general bob scales. stocks turning positive for the year to date. the dow surging 212

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. lou: an update of the dobbs power rankings of potential 2016 candidates. moving higher wisconsin governor scott walker, he leads in the new hampshire primary poll.

walker with 21% of the vote followed by jeb bush senator rand paul and retired neurosurgeon dr. ben carson. joining us republican strategist and ceo of the polling company kelly ann conway and fox news contributor judith miller. good to have you with us. let me start judy, what in the world was the president thinking at the national prayer breakfast today? >> come on lou, at least he condemned isis unequivocally calling it a death cult and praised the dalai lama, those are two things that don't come naturally to him. he didn't use islamic extremism, he didn't condemn that. neil: he didn't use radical islamist. he drew a radical islamist terrorists of isis, isil, or the islamic state which is the name of it and not daish as

the pentagon is pushing. we are watching word games and the sopistry of a president who thinks he has not emerged from sophomore year in college? >> he's putting extreme nichl context if you give him the benefit of the doubt. he's saying a millennia ago the christians -- neil: i know what he's saying. do you think it's okay? >> i think it's vintage obama. i don't expect anything else. lou: what do you think, kelly anne? >> anti-religious president who could have taken advantage of the prayer breakfast by praying for those suffering around the world at hand was the radical islamist terrorists and trying to create a moral equivalence between things that happened this very week burying people alive. people shouldn't get on the high horse and think religion is better than anybody else's

it's an odd forum. he wanted to make news and wanted the dalai lama make news instead of ben carson making news which launched his presidential. lou: this is the news the president didn't need certainly the democratic party didn't need. this president is going to be an albatross, a weighty albatross of all of the republican candidates running in 2016 but certainly the presidential candidates. >> i think that even candidates that have to run away from him, you are beginning to see hillary and others distance themselves from him. i'm not worried about that. i think what the democrats are probably worried about is the eight year syndrome the lack of growth the record obama style which is irritating whether or not it's the kind of appearance that you disliked at the prayer breakfast and i found it a little encouraging

he's condemning things. >> what did he condemn? the terrorist that he -- oh -- >> he condemned isis. lou: you are encouraged by a president who all these months later and now more than a year later, who said he would degrade and destroy, he insulted them, and this brings joy to your heart? this is satisfactory? kelly anne your thoughts. >> he actually condemned different people's practices irrespective religions as well. he seems awkward in this forum in this millieu, asking them to go to the prayer breakfast is not a comfortable thing for him, and i think it showed. point is exactly right. lou: i knew that. >> any democrat who runs for president has to make the case of why you want year nine of barack obama's presidency to start the next day and look, hillary clinton wants to run

for bill clinton's third term but has to run for barack obama's third term nobody wants to run for barack's third term including joe biden his vice president. lou: anyone who thinks that a bush, clinton or obama are a perfect choice for a nation of 315 million people we're broader than that and i said that because all of the clintons and bushes and obamas have been educated at harvard or yale, why would we try to replicate these years by finding another harvard or yale man or woman? scott walker no college degree at all. >> i think the fact that he's up in the polls reflects how well republicans think he did in iowa. they were hearing something fresh and new and weren't hearing. lou: he's also number one in new hampshire. >> what we've come to expect.

lou: what do you think of him? >> i don't know enough about him. i think he'd be a hard sell. lou: what do you think kelly anne? >> independent. i think at the freedom summit i was the speaker after governor walker. and he told me the media downplayed expectations of him, referred to him as bland and boring and uncharismatic. when he shows up and does his thing, they helped him even though they try to hurt him. he carries the rough belt states and rocky mountain states, they credit him as someone who ran and won four times in a blue state. lou: you like him? >> it's great, and shows how wide open the field is. mr. undecided is leading the pack with scott walker in second. i think people can jump in april in may and do well. lou: the more the merrier in politics, unless your candidate is already. in kelly anne always good to have you kelly anne conway,

judith miller, thank you so much. >> thank you, lou. lou: thank you for joining us, have a pleasant evening. good night from new york. . neil: welcome, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. it is one thing to call taxes fees or spending investments or fair share when you are really just talking about taxing the rich. but this president's testing my patience when he says an organization lit the jordanian pilot on fire, or worse extremists without putting the proper word ahead of extremist, muslim extremist, there, i said it. a financial columnist says this isn't about being cautious right now it's being crazy. and you say words matter? >> absolutely words matter. and tone matters and energy matters. i think the problem president obama has right now is that this