doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here. good evening everybody. i'm lou dobbs. radical islamist terrorists are butchering, burning and beheading their victims in the name of islam but president obama seemingly unable to confront our enemies in the middle east and northern africa, today turned from the awesome powers of the presidency to his bully pulpit to proselytize and try to persuade americans to embrace muslims in america. our president has, it seems, regressed to his former role as a community organizer and taken up a new role as the apologist in chief as he concluded a white house meeting on countering what he calls violent extremism. >> obviously there is a

complicated history between the middle east the west and none of us i think should be immune from criticism in terms of specific policies, but the notion that the west is at war with islam is an ugly lie. and all of us regardless of our faith, have a responsibility to reject it. >> but it is not a lie, but rather an absolute truth that we are at war with radical islamists who grow in strength and power in the middle east, and the president and his administration instead are rejecting that truth at least publicly. where did mr. obama ever get the idea becoming an empathizer in chief rather than a victorious commander in chief? he may well have been inspired by none other than hillary clinton, who nearly three months ago said this. >> this is what we call smart

power, using every possible tool and partner to advance peace and security, leaving no one on the sidelines, showing respect even for one's enemies trying to understand and insofar as psychologically possible empathize with their perspective and point of view, helping to define the problems, determine the solutions. >> the obama administration for its part moving way beyond her counsel and engaging now directly with our enemies, whether elements of the syrian so-called moderate rebels or the taliban or iran itself. nuclear talks with iran set to resume tomorrow. the united states and turkey have signed a deal to train and to arm the so-called moderate syrian rebels whose moderation is not assured, and afghanistan's taliban reportedly ready to engage in peace talks with the afghan government. officials in washington deny direct u.s. involvement but the

white house does say that they are supportive of the process. we take up the new white house apology for terrorism as well as its negotiations with radical islamist terrorists. we will be talking with the leading voices on our war with terror. fox news terrorism analyst walid farris, president of the american islamic forum for democracy. we begin with centcom in an unusual move today, in announcement laid out the plans for a spring offensive to retake mosul which is now held by 2,000 islamic state terrorists. an iraqi and kurdish military force of 20,000 to 25000 troops is being readied. according to centcom, to recapture iraq's second largest city. the u.s. military is training 3200 of those iraqi troops. joining us now to take up all of this and more, former director

of national intelligence five time ambassador, john negroponte. good to have you with us. >> thank you. >> we have heard secretary clinton talk about smart power. we are hearing the president talking about empathizing and understanding better the enemies, a war that he has led, by the way, for six years. why the sudden change in tone direction and this extraordinary philosophy that he's now operating under apparently? >> well i mean i think the administration itself is in a better position to answer that. it seems to me to have something to do with talking about longer term issues the root causes and how in all these societies, ultimately, the swamp of terrorism has to be drained. but in the meanwhile, there are some very grave security issues out there in countries like

syria, iraq libya, as we now know, and those have to be dealt with with firm security measures and what i find interesting is that while there is this talk about soft power and the longer term solutions, the administration is in fact gearing up to take isil on in iraq, which i think is the right policy, whether you agree with them telegraphing their punches or not, but it seems to me they have had some success up until now in stemming the isil onslaught and preparing to take back some of this lost territory. so i think there's some good news buried in here at the same time. >> i'm always suspicious, ambassador certainly not of your comments or good faith, but always of any administration, republican or democrat, during a time of war and this is still that, telling us about good news. the fact is that we are looking at a force that this president does not want to acknowledge as

being at war with the west, that is now in control of an estimated 50,000 square kilometers in the middle east in syria and iraq, dominion over as many as ten million people and to dismiss it as if it is some sort of community organization challenge seems to me to be at the best i could construct naive. >> i would be the last person in the world to dismiss it but i do recall a number of months ago when isil was tearing through mosul and headed down further south, that some people were asking themselves whether they would move on to baghdad. of course, that hasn't happened. as i've said again, i think things have been turned back somewhat and i think they will succeed in recapturing mosul and restoring a semblance of order in iraq. then i think the big question's going to be what are they going to do about syria because that's the next big question. >> those are the questions that

i think have many americans trembling with concern if i may be so dramatic and that is because this administration has been extraordinarily lousy at reading either intelligence or it has not had adequate intelligence, and anticipating and influencing favorably the outcome of world events. we turn whether it be to syria next iraq is now under the strong hand of iran, as you well know. we are looking at libya which is in utter chaos and depending on the day, within the grasp of the islamic state itself. there doesn't seem to be a strategy, certainly not a public one, and doesn't seem there is no obvious evidence of a strategy that's being executed against iran and its designs in the region. >> well i would point out that in the wake of the great successes that isil initially had and some of those gruesome

beheadings the administration did respond they have sent a couple of 3,000 people out to iraq which i had not expected. i had never thought they were going to do. i thought that when the last troops left at the end of 2011, that was it. i was very pessimistic about the prospects of getting some of our people back in there. i think that's to the good. so i think it's a mixed picture. obviously could be better and i hope it does improve in the months ahead. >> one area that does not seem -- there's no, again apparent improvement in the offing and that is ukraine, where vladimir putin holds it seems every card and is playing them extraordinarily well against a rapt and enfeebled nato and united states. >> i agree with you. and i think that the ukrainian situation is very grim. i think the administration

should have reacted much sooner. this situation has been going on for months now and this whole issue of whether or not to provide some weapons to a friendly government asking for help and still there has been no decision and of course as a result, the russians have consolidated territory there, succeeded in creating carving out an enclave that is going to now become like a frozen conflict such as they have established elsewhere in their so-called near abroad and it's going to give them some kind of pretext for continuing to meddle in a country like the ukraine in the future. i think it's a very unfortunate situation. it's not too late for the west to shore up its reaction but i think a lot of valuable time has been lost. >> ambassador it's always good to see you. we appreciate your insight. >> thank you. president obama bringing a familiar face back to the white house. state department press secretary

jen psaki will be moving back to the white house ahead of the president's communications team. critics say the president may be valuing allegiance over aptitude. psaki has come under criticism for the way in which she defends the administration. last week she would not acknowledge that jews were targeted in the paris terrorist attacks. last april, she was derided for trying to counter russian aggression in ukraine with tweets like this marked as hash tag diplomacy. psaki replaces jennifer palmieri who is part of the white house exodus of it seems top advisors. senior advisors have left the white house recently. up next no weapons required. president obama, he will conquer radical islamist terrorism by winning hearts and minds. middle east scholars join us to take a look at this strategy, if it can be called that. stay with us.

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the president has over the past several days moved from his declaration to destroy the islamic state to what seems to be an extraordinary strategy of empathizing and understanding better radical islamist

terrorists. >> so if we are serious about countering violent extremism we have to get serious about confronting these economic grievances. here at this summit the united states will make new commitments to help young people including in muslim communities, to forge new collaborations and entrepreneurships in science and technology. >> to help us understand better what the president is all about here, what his remarks really mean joining us is fox news middle east and terrorism analyst dr. walid farris. did the president come across as an apologist for radical islamists, for radical islamist terrorism? >> i don't think he was apologizing for the radicals but he was certainly apologizing for the house of islam. what he's doing is marginalizing the reformers.

it's interesting, he opened his speech by talking about the fascisms that we destroyed in world war ii the communism we overcame in the worldcold war. then he talked about the tactic of violent extremism. i'm sorry but the president either takes the american public for fools and that somehow we will take on a tactic without taking on the ideology and if he really wants to engage reformers, then we have to acknowledge that our allies are those who want to reform against theocracy across the muslim world that creates movements like isis. >> the president of egypt stood up and called for the reform of islam. he is running a government he is still confronted by extraordinary economic -- an economic disaster in the country that he now leads. why is there not a clear statement to all of islam that he is the future and that what

he is doing is important to the region? >> well remember when before he was elected with an overwhelming majority, 22.5 million votes in egypt and before that, another referendum, there was the largest human demonstration ever in egypt with 33 million egyptians. what is important about what's happening in egypt is not just the statements made by its president which are important, but what is behind that. the will of an overwhelming majority of egyptians who have never demonstrated before and by the way, 80% of those who walked are poor and very poor and what is it that they are, you know opposing, the muslim brotherhood. the islamists. the same group, political group they are saying are not representative of egypt all of the arab world, and we should partner with them. there's a misperception what's happening in the middle east. >> is it a misperception by this

administration that he represents a powerful force within egypt and the participatory empowerment of millions of egyptians now under his, what was thought to be certainly an autocratic authoritarian regime instead is lining up with israel is a positive force calling for the reform of islam, and something with which this president does not want to be associated. >> well, this president does not want to take on the difficult job of trying to say not only that we are against violent extremism but that we are for liberty and articulating exactly what is the american principles and who are our allies, because even the president of egypt called for reform against the violence but is still part of this evil empire which is the organization of islamic cooperation and the president is so deep in bed with so many of the old guard islamist mafia of the saudis and qataris and even

some of the military dictators the new future -- >> you just named our leading allies in the coalition in the war against terror. you're a purist tonight. >> well, it's not purism. it's the fact, if you look -- >> i have no problem with purism. >> that's the short term military problem. the isis's of the world come out of the hussain and mubarak and right now, tunisia had a secular party that displaced the islamists in their democratic method so there are green revolutions in iran. that's the future of a democratic middle east that will finally be a solution for the long term solution of terrorism rather than the short term whack-a-mole program of these military approaches to radical islam. >> he mentioned the whack-a-mole tactics of the administration, of many in the coalition, but

the reality is there is no strategy to deal with radical islamist terrorism. there is a lot of lip service. we have the former secretary of state calling for greater empathy and understanding of our enemy, when we have been at war with that enemy now, outright war, for 13 years full years. and more. and this president has been in office for six years leading that war, and suddenly today is talking in abstractions and other words that could be brought to bear on his language. it's specious and irrelevant to what is the threat that con fronts western civilization is it not? >> well i think the president and the administration, the advisors, are only reflecting what the academic elite in this country have been pushing for. even the entire war, since 9/11 to now, even the wars they have

conducted, the wars to end wars are not considered as legitimate. they consider that the real partners are the islamists and that's how they are going to end those wars not actually engage in more confrontations with the movement that is jihadism. >> gentlemen, thank you very much for helping us understand at least the language of the challenges this nation and the west face. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next one of our nation's political leaders standing up against the president and for the constitution. my commentary is next.

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a few comments now on the speaker of the house john boehner. when any person stands up in the midst of what most americans believe to be an inflection point in american history and rises to the moment with guts, plain-spokenness and adherence to principle they are worthy of note and praise.

i have to admit i wouldn't have been the first to have expected speaker boehner to be such a person. in part, because of his long attachment to lobbyists and influence peddlers like tom donahue of the u.s. chamber of commerce and john engler of the business roundtable and nearly all of the big business lobbyists. the way they have been strutting around washington after the gop margins in the midterms, you would be forgiven if you thought lobbyists were corporate potentates and associations were the biggest big shots in washington. and they sure did help. with their money and their power and americans overwhelmingly voting for the republican party, which had a net gain of nine seats in the senate, 13 in the house. but it seems speaker boehner gets it, understanding that the gop dominated those midterm elections because most americans are sick of a lawless administration that is no less authoritarian because our president grins and charms while

he issues edicts rather than doing the hard work of negotiating, persuading and reaching consensus as the authors of our constitution intended. speaker boehner says now it's an issue for the senate republicans and senate democrats to work out. the house has passed and sent on to the senate its bill that would fund the department of homeland security and stymied obama's executive amnesty fiat. it is now decision time for senate democrats. the democrats are holding that legislation hostage. they have refused to pass anything but a clean bill. speaker boehner told fox news sunday that if dhs funding runs out, senate democrats and their leader, president obama are to blame and he is exactly correct. we all owe the speaker a thank you and our compliments. whatever happens on february 27th, speaker bain erer boehner gets it. this time the republicans are on the right side of history, on the right side of our

constitution and on the right side of the issues. it's president obama who has once again run a scam on the american people. it's no less than that. he and congressional democrats ran a scam as well with obamacare but while mr. obama lied and lied some more, he acted within the constitution. not so this time. mr. obama with his executive amnesty fiat violated the constitution, its words its spirit and a unilaterally bestowed on illegal imgrants the ability to collect welfare benefits, to have obamacare benefits, to receive income tax refunds even when they paid nothing, and given them implicitly the opportunity to vote. if the republican party doesn't stand on principle this time, when would they? if they can't prevail in such a clear-cut case of right and wrong, what will become of the republican party, and what will become of our great republic?

and do enough of us care? our quotation now of the evening. for our president, in support of our speaker in a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act. george orwell. it disturbs me how many of orwell's words seem more and more relevant with each passing year of this administration. we'll be right back. it turns out we may have three co-equal branches of government after all. a federal judge stops the president's executive amnesty fiat in its tracks. will our constitutional republic be saved after all?

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injunction blocks a number of actions that were to begin tomorrow. the department of homeland security forced to suspend its rollout but the white house and attorney general eric holder vowing to appeal the lower court decision. >> i think that we have to look at this decision for what it is. it is a decision by one federal district court judge. i expect, i have always expected that this is a matter that will ultimately be decided by a higher court, if not the supreme court. >> my first guest tonight testified before congress last week on how the president's executive fiat could could alter the outcome of elections in his home state of ohio which is one of the 26 states joined in the suit against the president. joining us tonight is the secretary of state of ohio, john hustead. good to have you with us. first, i would like to get your reaction to the temporary order by judge hannon in texas.

>> well, it's a welcome development in this case. we don't think that the president's executive action is ready for prime time yet, because it affects states like ohio in very negative ways. myself, i'm in charge of the elections process in ohio. his executive action gives documents to people who are not citizens of the united states, that are the same documents that federal law says that you can use to register to vote, and as a result of that we have no way of knowing whether people using social security numbers are indeed american citizens and eligible to vote. i wrote the president back in january, i asked him for help we need access to the information to know the difference between citizens and noncitizens when we are conducting elections in ohio and across the country. >> there are two things happening here contemporaneously, neither of which is helpful to the integrity of our electoral

system. one of the things that is happening is that the president the attorney general the justice department fighting like the dickens voter identification laws that would require photo i.d.s and at the same time, pushing forward with this amnesty fiat that effectively it seems to me is a matter of issuing de facto citizenship. how do you reconcile it how large is the threat, do you believe, in ohio? >> well, you can't reconcile it. it doesn't make any sense. the problem is real, because you have as many as five million people who are not citizens of the united states who have access to the same documents that it takes to register to vote and without federal assistance, there's no way for any of the states to know the difference. we have already found in the 2012 presidential election there were 291 non-citizens who were on the voter rolls 17 of them

voted in our elections. we were only able to determine that after the fact using driver's license data as far as people who were on the rolls using social security numbers, we have no way to determine that. this is really important because we have a lot of close elections. there are 70 elections over the course of the last two years in ohio that were decided by one vote or tied and so any illegal voting is a potential impact on the integrity of our elections and the president should not be issuing social security numbers to people who are not citizens until they can tell us who those people are so that we can police the voter rolls in ohio and across the nation to make sure nobody gets on the rolls that shouldn't be. >> it always surprises me, frankly, that there are only 26 states suing the president on this issue. a majority certainly, but why every state would not be as concerned as are the attorneys general and secretaries of state of each of those states. we thank you for being with us

and we appreciate your time. look forward to talking with you soon. >> thank you. >> john hustead secretary of state of ohio. ashton carter today officially became the nation's 25th secretary of defense. carter took the oath of office at the white house in a ceremony with vice president joe biden. carter then pledged three commitments. >> the first is to help our president make the best possible decisions about our security and the security of the world. my second commitment is to the men and women of the department of defense, whom i will lead, to reflect in everything i do and to honor the commitment and dedication that brought them into service. third, i have a commitment to the future, to building a force for our future. >> carter becomes president

obama's fourth secretary of defense, succeeding chuck hagel who resigned in november under pressure, but who remained at his post until yesterday. among the many foreign policy challenges that the new secretary of defense now faces, the rise of the islamic state working for a president who says the islamic state isn't islamic, a jayvee version of al qaeda and who dismisses their threat to america as overhyped by our national media. vice president biden today kicked off a three-day summit with a roundtable discussion on how to counter the spread of what the white house calls violent extremism. >> we all understand that in dealing with violent extremism, that we need answers that go beyond a military answer. we have to work from the ground up and engage our communities

and engage those who might be susceptible to being radicalized, because they are marginalized. >> this hastily called summit bringing together a number of folks, including community leaders in los angeles boston minneapolis-st. paul, the mayors of rotterdam in belgium even though the summit is dealing with so-called violent extremism, the expression is understood, the administration adamantly avoiding the term radical islamist terrorism and such silly word games really leave me with no words at all. he loves to lecture. the president in silicon valley lecturing the tech community on cyberterrorism. some of the most important ceos not in attendance. two of our country's leading cybersecurity experts with us next.

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president obama snubbed by top technology executives but urging greater cooperation between silicon valley technology companies and the government on cybersecurity. the new wild west as the president often refers to it. joining us now, two top cybersecurity experts network security group ceo john lucich

bruce parkman, retired green beret sergeant major and ceo of cybersecurity firm main nerve. good to have you both here. let's start, john, this president signs an executive order that does nothing and is asking for help from companies who don't send their ceo. this is a peculiar piece of staging. >> it's interesting what he's doing here because we have been sharing data with each other for many years. the fbi in 1996 started infoguard which is a partnership between fbi, federal government, and the private sector to share this type of information. so this is nothing new. what i'm concerned about is what type of other data that he's not getting to that he wants to get to and in return, dangling that little carrot according to reports that says in return he's going to give these companies immunity. >> immunity. immunity from what here? and why? >> well, it doesn't make any

sense, because if they offer companies immunity then they offer them a shield, and what this gets down to is where is -- where does the balance fall on the company, where does the company, when is the company at fault. so to offer companies indemnification can actually require companies to oversubscribe to the law in search of becoming indemnified because if a company is negligent, it should be at fault. it should be found guilty and it should be -- should go to court and be liable for the impact it has on american small and midsize businesses and the american taxpayer. >> if i've got this right, basically obama is saying, if you will pour that personal data into our servers at the federal government level, we will indemnify you for your reckless reckless failures to provide security for your customers and

your clients like target has done sony has done, other companies, home depot without either s.e.c. response without any kind of federal response saying you have a fiduciary duty, a responsibility to protect the personal information of your customers, whether it is a chinese hacker or whether you know whatever it may be. >> it doesn't matter. i totally agree with you. cybersecurity is keeping networks and data safe. it has nothing to do with immunity. where is this immunity coming from? it's almost like wall street when he banged wall street and give them everything including billions of dollars for their own bailouts and they gave themselves bonuses. it's the same type of scenario where he's beating people up then giving them something in return. it's almost like he's again taking care of donors who actually have an issue here and i'm not saying he is. that's my opinion. >> bruce -- >> not to mention the fact -- go ahead. not to mention the fact they want this data to feed into this

new agency which falls under the dni, the director of national intelligence. right now with the mistrust between corporations and this administration, that has definitely got an anti-business bent to it there is absolutely no way you are going to get corporations to feed their data directly into the intelligence community which is why you saw a lot of the ceos not show up today, because the snowden reports, the misuse of the data and the fact that if they show up in support of this legislation, their overseas operations will affected as well. >> the typical statement like i'm from the government i'm here to help you, they're not buying it this time. >> except in the case of google. i want you both to respond to this. in the case of google, the chief technology officer was there but larry page, eric smith, the rest of the folks not there that looked like a little cover if you can have cover by not being somewhere, this looked like an example. >> it could be. they are not buying into this. they have a big problem with what the nsa has done. i don't have a problem with people looking at data if they

are going after terrorism but when we see what happened up in boston, how did they not catch that. who is it they were looking at that they were taking away from that. >> you get the last word, bruce. >> it is cover. these big companies right now, they want to provide themselves a shield from the administration that says hey, look, they're going to propose legislation to my national u.s. operations and my international operations, we're not part of it we don't support it because in the end those companies are going to be harmed pretty significantly if any of this legislation that passes congress is short-sighted and requires companies to start reporting directly into the national intel streams. >> if we have correctly analyzed today's road show on the part of the president, the fact is nothing was done and cybersecurity for corporate america and business remains status quo. >> but it sounded good. >> it looked good, too. >> yes, sir.

go ahead, sir. >> no go ahead bruce. >> the two things i noticed about that speech it was a great political speech. it should have been on the campaign trail. i was dismayed at the lack of small and business participation at this summit. those are the companies 30 million of them, that need representation at the table. >> the backbone of this nation. >> john bruce, thank you both for being here. we appreciate it. up next will a check from the judicial branch of the government really upset the balance of president obama's powers? our favorite legal scholars on the case. stay with us. the road. it can bring out the worst in people. but the m-class scans for danger... ...corrects for lane drifting... ...and if necessary, it will even brake all by itself.

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st. louis police under fire, allegedly using excessive force in the arrest of a man accused of speeding and making an illegal u-turn. the incident that occurred in april of last year was mostly captured on dash cam video until it wasn't. one officer telling the other cops to quote, hold up so they could turn off the recording. according to police, the suspect was armed with a gun. he smelled of marijuana and disobeyed the officers and repeatedly reached for his gun. the suspect is suing the police department for half a million dollars in damages claims officers used excessive force by kicking him repeatedly and shocking him with a taser. joining us now to assess the claim, fox news legal analyst mercedes colvin fox news legal analyst lis wiehl.

great to have you both here. >> great to be here. >> let's start with the case. this is it seems to me with a guy with a gun, marijuana and a bad attitude, what's going to happen? >> wouldn't you think the jury would say you don't get a pass for doing all that bad stuff to the police. obviously they thought they were being threatened, the officers that's why they reacted this way. not that this wasn't preempted by them and circled and beat him. it's obvious there was a mission. >> the problem for them, the police, is to make that statement, we are on red which means the camera's watching. okay, wait hold back so i can turn off the camera so we can beat the you-know-what out of you. that's really going to be problematic for jurors. they look at that and say we don't want our police acting that way. will they give him $500,000? i don't think so. they might give him a token dollar. >> but the attorneys get paid, though. >> so the result will be you think the police officers won't

face any kind of problem here, the half million won't get -- >> the half million will not get paid. right. >> so the bad guy gets what he deserves? >> well, but you can't have police saying that and then turning off the camera and beating somebody up. we don't want that either. >> i think there should be a camera going. >> absolutely. all of the time. so they can capture the entire beating. in this case, i don't think the jury will give them a pass. no way. they will say to this bad guy he smelled like marijuana, had a gun, kept reaching for the gun. to say oh, it's all right you can do what you want is not going to happen. >> that does change circumstances. i know we hold police officers to a different standard but when somebody is reaching for a gun, i think the standards change. >> but here though keep the camera going because the camera going actually helps the police. >> no question. absolutely. >> that's the only issue here. >> teens going on a rampage. >> oh, boy. >> they were caught at a store which three days prior, two teens had been arrested for

shoplifting, apparently came back to tear the place to pieces in revenge. how much trouble are they in? >> significant trouble. first of all they have all the security cameras so you can see what they're doing within the shop. they have come back you have motive. that's the one thing jurors look to see. if you see motive you see the revenge, that's certainly going to be held criminally liable. >> multiple felony charges here. apparently, this will come out, apparently they were doing it as part of a gang related matter, the crips. let's go to the big story. the judge ruling that the president of the united states well, he just can't do things the way he wanted to at least in entirety. there are certain rules that he shouldn't have said the hell with. what do you think? is this going -- is this the beginning of the end for the amnesty fiat? >> it probably is. there's certainly a lot of procedural issues that will come up. at the trial court it will continue up into the appellate court but the judge made the proper ruling. he said yes, it is in the purview of executive power but

what the president's done has unduly burdened the state. he's gone way beyond what the powers are permitted to do. >> i thought interestingly, the judge in the case said that had the president basically just left it at nonenforcement it would be one thing but bestowing all of these benefits obamacare, income tax credits for crying out loud, all of these, welfare benefits, he said no deal. >> i think what's going to happen, it will go to a three-judge panel in new orleans, the circuit court and i think they will focus very narrowly on these two different programs, the program for adults coming in and programs for kids. i think they will focus very narrowly on that and whoever loses at that level will get to the supreme court where they will ultimately decide it. there are 26 states, by the way, involved in this. >> 26 states. led by texas and attorney general greg abbott, now the governor of texas and in a

masterful job of taking on this administration at the end of last year. now, does it stand or does it not, the fiat? because i personally believe without any any equivocation whatsoever, that if our checks and balances do not stop this kind of egregious, egregious lack of constraint on the part of the president, we are done as a constitutional republic. i really mean that. >> the good thing is when the fifth circuit is more conservative than the other circuits, so if they are going to hold to the executive powers of the legislative branch and -- >> this will not be the end. it will be the supreme court. >> will this thing be -- >> i think it will be expedited because the supremes are obviously done and out of there by june. >> it's nice to see the courts actually work on something more urgent. >> not as fast as we do. >> they are not getting paid as much as you. thank you both very much. appreciate it. that's it for us. we thank you for being with us.

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