>> "strange inheritance" fox business, 9:00 p.m. . kennedy: oh, i'll unpack your inheritance indeed. we're learning more about jihadi john, the masked coward with the english accent and the beheadings of james foley and steven sotloff and seen in videos with murdered brits and japanese victims as well. a job wouldn't have lessened his evil, would it? according to "washington post" sources he's a rich kid born in kuwait, raised in west london, he has a computer programming degree, obviously comes from a wealthy family. explain that one, marie harf. the state department glimpsed into his soul explaining all the ways he's able to justify

bringing hell on earth? his real name is reportedly mohammed emwazi, you can believe it? according to statements from friends, he went through post college existential crisis on a botched safari trip to tanzania. he was detained and deported. after that he radicalized, apparently became obsessed with somalia and disappeared, claiming to want to fight for freedom and justice. how is it that these words with pretty straightforward definitions can be bastardized by bastards who use them to extinguish life and freedom. and if jihadi john is such a big shot. why the mask, buddy? who are you hiding from, tough stuff? her royal hillariness coming under fire for epics breach busy not protecting embassies as secretary of state. the clinton manifesto acts as

the world's anti-malaria sir ink and global policy incubator, whatever the hell that means. accepted millions of dollars from foreign governments all of whom who either want to eradicate blood born viruss in africa or a once and future favor, and a presidential couple, conflict of interest, much? >> money came into the foundation from foreign governments, so that raises the possibility of a conflict of interest. if she became president clinton, would have the decision she makes vis-a-vis foreign governments be affected by the money she took in from them? kennedy: that's the question stuart varney. republican presidential hopefuls will hold her feet to the fire, they're busy courting the cpac, it's the king making gathering where fortunes blossom and crumble and no better beaker to illustrate the active and growing rift within

the republican party. for the last few years, a well-placed libertarian streak flowed freely through the conference with rand paul winning the cpac's straw poll for the last two years. >> i will not equivocate and i will not excuse, i will not retreat an inch, and i will be heard. >> don't ever take our freedom! >> rand looks good in blue paint. i worry if establishment republicans have enough of the liberty shenanigans and big brother jeb will snuff out the young freedom seekers once and for all. chris christie is looking to move far right and get back in the fight. and he spoke today, former arkansas governor mike huckabee skipping the proceedings because of the ideology and if that holds from the last two years, he could get clobbered. the once dominate social conservatives appear to be on decline especially at cpac, here's rick santorum from last year. >> i actually put my neck out

there, and just about every other body part. kennedy: oh, rick. no, he's going to give a big foreign policy speech this year, yeah. look for national security to take center stage as big government alarmists try to wrestle the party conference and the party soul away from rationalists, hopefully liberty prevails and admit their flawed logic is by and large, yesterday's news. coming up, the feds are poised to take over the internet, and i'm going to talk to a former commissioner who says that is a terrible mistake. comedian jim norton joins me, we'll talk about the looming possibility of head transplants and swap craniums. first, chuck woolery here to discuss whether or not donald trump is posturing as possible presidential candidate for free wigs or running as a

self-deluded cloud on a doomed campaign? let's find out. i'm kennedy. hey there, how you doing, aspiring republican presidential candidates are gearing up for swimsuit competition equivalent at the cpac, a national gathering of conservatives, that started today. most of the gang is there, jeb bush, rand paul, scott walker, even donald trump. donald, what are you doing to yourself and the nation? supposedly he's launching a serious looksy into running for president in 2016. chuck woolery joins me, the former host of love connection and scrabble and lingo, the original wheel of fortune host and has a dream come true, who happens to have a very active twitter account, and you are quite a conservative. welcome to the show. >> well, i am a conservative, i

don't know whether i'm quite one or not. i am a conservative. which is unusual coming out of the environment in hollywood. i have my views like everybody else, and donald trump would be a great secretary of state. kennedy: really. >> can you imagine him sitting down -- he would sit down with the iranians and do a complete colonoscopy on those guys. >> he did something, he'd try to fire them. >> iran, you're fired. >> i would love to see that show! it would be great. kennedy: i know mitt romney had an uncomfortable relationship, you know, professional on stage of course, with donald trump in 2012, certainly didn't help him. and donald trump flirted with the birther movement. i don't think anyone takes him seriously politically. he has interesting analysis once in a while. talk about the other front-runners who appear tomorrow. rand paul has done very well at cpac, how important is it for him to do well this year with

the rest of the party and not just the younger liberty lovers? >> my prediction is rand paul will go nowhere. i think he's got kind of a tilted message that is not reaching a lot of people. i think he's going more for young people which is just part of the overall picture, it's not that big of deal. percentages are very low. that's my opinion. kennedy: not entirely low, he's up there in states with huckabee and, you know, he's nipping at scott walker and jeb bush's heels, i don't think you can discount him completely. >> kennedy, when you look at iowa and the straw poll, everybody that wins never wins, they come in first and never win. kennedy: that's a good point, chuck, i'll take it. talk about jeb, jeb is along with scott walker, the clear front-runner, not been popular at a place like cpac in years past. what does he have to do? >> he's got the bush name and he's going to have to carry with him, which is whether it

should be a positive or negative doesn't matter to be, it's a negative by and large. he's not his brother, he's not his father, he's trying to distance himself from his family, but jeb's going to have to have his own policies hung around his own neck, and he is the establishment guy, people are fed up with the establishment. i know i am. establishment republicans are not going to do well. kennedy: you bring up a good point, chuck, not just libertarians sick of the establishment because of the establishment is dead set against libertarians from the beginning, ask ron paul about that. >> the tea party is dead set against everybody, conservatives, they always stand up and say we're conservatives. the establishment republican party is not conservative. news flash. kennedy: president obama has said that voters want that new car smell. scott walker seems to have the right amount of stink for

republican and republican-curious voters, and carly fiorina. she didn't do in her senatorial campaign in california. never held elective office, why are people talking about her as a potential dark horse 2016 candidate? >> okay, forgive me, but just because she's a woman, and she's a very bright, smart woman. i like carly fiorina a lot. she's eloquent when she speaks, i don't think she has any chance at all. kennedy: yeah, i don't think so either. i think republicans are trying to -- if people are going -- especially women, if they're going to vote for hillary clinton purely for historic reasons which is how secretary clinton is certainly poising herself right now, i think they're trying to find someone who could take that automatic voting bloc. i don't think carly fiorina is that person. >> if we don't understand that corruption runs in the veins of the clintons by now, we'll never accept that and never learn it. people need to learn from

history, and their history is pretty checkered. then you get on scott walker, the new car smell everything and, but you know what? he really accomplished a lot of things in wisconsin. i don't think you can discount this guy. kennedy: you don't know. >> he's up the radar. kennedy: he's on the radar. he's going to be given enough rope to hang himself. i don't think he has the foreign policy chops. i think the world is a disaster right now. you have to have a president who is depth informed president. chuck, come back. >> you can have your opinion kennedy. treat me nicely. this is my first time. kennedy: come back and party, just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't dance. >> we'll attend the party for scott walker together. kennedy: arm and arm with a corsage, thanks again, chuck. >> okay, bye-bye. kennedy: yesterday on nbc, tom hanks spoke to matt lauer about making community college free for everyone.

two years of debt free timeorder to discover who i was and figure out what the world was about, i don't think i'd be here talking to you today. kennedy: so great. tom hanks is a community college graduate, and so am i! and as a fellow alumna, i say tom, that's a horrible idea. free isn't free! free is a taxpayer-funded way to gut four-year colleges. am i crazy tong college is not an entitlement? some people think so. this is you're crazy, kennedy! that's right. tamara holder is a fox news contributor and a criminal defense attorney. i think it's criminal for you to defend free community college. what do you think? . >> i think you're crazy. kennedy: why? >> this has happened before, right? we have given money to the g.i. bill to veterans, spent billions of dollars, it has worked. i believe it was president bush who said education was the biggest civil rights issue of

our time. and also i believe ronald reagan who's a favorite on the right, he said that greatest prosperity after world war ii was the vets returning and getting an education. so these are things that -- education, the single thing, is the most important thing to seeing prosperity in america. kennedy: yeah, i went to community college, it was great for me. i also had other great experiences. i went to swim -- zimbabwe. >> i don't think it's free, i think the word you should use as an investment. if you look at things we have gotten back from people. $285.7 billion in taxes over students working lives we'll get. $809 billion worth of income is added to the u.s. economy. so people aren't taking it and

then going to swim baub way and never coming back. >> why would you spend money going to a four-year college when you can get community college for free? if you have fully subsidized community college, what does that do to the teachers who teach there? you don't have teachers with ph.d. going to the community college system? >> sure, you're making kind of a good argument. the people in community college are -- most of them are vocational students, nursing, electrician work, shortage of emt's and the people that want to go on to a four year university for two more years do that as well for a different degree. you're not blocking people out. kennedy: you are, low are division students who can get a two-year degree or two years of

lower divisions, they're not going to go to a four year school, it disincentivizes them. in california, you know how much it costs for a year of community college? >> probably a lot. kennedy: $1400. >> oh, well. kennedy: $1400. if you have upper income and middle income students getting the free college, what does that do to lower income students? it takes the spots away from them. >> i don't think there's taking. >> there are only so many free slots. there are no more slots in the classes. >> i have friends who have been to community college whose family members come from community college, i come from a very, very middle class community in colorado and eastern washington. people live off of the community college, education system. and they need the education, and they're going to give back. it is an investment and isn't free. kennedy: there are ways for students across the country to

qualify for low income subsidies already. that doesn't mean you have to subsidize middle and upper income earners with free community college. >> but it works, kennedy. that's the point. it doesn't work with people, if you give them -- whatever, you give free medical care, they're going to take advantage of it. all of the arguments that are takers, i understand. that as a whole, we had a great opportunity to educate people. kennedy: okay, people can take that opportunity, thank you very much, tamara. not everything has to be for free, and then we don't need another entitlement in this country, and i don't think it's within the scope of government to provide everyone with free college. tell me what you think. am i heartless? @kennedynation. coming up, comedian jim norton is here to talk about the next trend, coming soon.

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kennedy: i love that song. hi. how are you? welcome back. the ftc implemented to vote new net neutrality rules that all legal content is equal. in other words, the federal government is extending its own one size fits all policy in a power grab over the entire internet, which was already working pretty well, don't you think? without federal help and regulation, robert mcdowell is former commissioner and senior member of the federal communications commission, welcome. >> thanks for having me, great to be here. kennedy: net neutrality, a confusing issue. equality seems good, why is net neutrality bad? >> words are very important here as george orwell warned us so many years ago. we can start with the term net

neutrality coined by a columbia professor it sounds good if you say it all fast and treat internet traffic equally. the government creating a pretext saying the internet is so horribly broken only the government can fix it, and you should trust unelected washington bureaucrats, i used to be one, i can say that. to do a better job of running the internet thanna engineers, entrepreneurs or consumers. kennedy: or companies. >> or companies, entrepreneurs, companies, exactly. taking risks. the internet is the greatest deregulatory success story of all-time. it lowered barriers to get into internet related businesses, the wonderful cornucopia of economic brilliance and been absolutely terrific. because it is less regulated and actually clinton-gore administration policy that says generally speaking handsoff approach when it comes to government intervention here.

there's a couple of myths. the internet is not broken, it doesn't need fixing. there are laws on the books to protect internet consumers and start-ups. kennedy: why should people care about the issue? how does it affect them? >> it's going to be a slow boy. there's the old cliche, how do you boil a live frog. put him in a pot of cold water and slowly heat up the water. the internet is not going to be different, but overtime you will see the old monopoly phone company-style regulation of the internet which is what the fcc imposed. 81-year-old law for ma bell phone company. kennedy: we know how bad phone companies and utilities are. what does this mean for the international company, for the united states to be treating the internet like a utility? >> first of all, for consumers, in the long run, prices will go up, innovation and investment will go down, a less exciting marketplace. internationally what this does

is by calling the internet a telecom or telephone service, it triggers already existing treaties. there's an arm of the u.n. called the international telecommunication union, and there are treaties there about how countries and companies pay each other. so what they're looking -- a lot of countries and vladimir putin said he wants, quote, international control of the internet through the itu, end quote. kennedy: great, playing into his hand, that's fantastic. >> china, iran, saudi, all of the client states, virtually all of africa and liberal western democracies in europe are rethinking this. because they come from a tradition where the government not only regulated broadcasters and phone companies but owned them for a very long time. kennedy: we're running out of time, and i want to get to how this affects people day to day. so if i want to watch "orange is the new black," how will net neutrality slow that down for me?

how will it affect me? >> actually, if you need to rely on a surgeon and you're in rural alaska and need to rely on a surgeon in new york to coach your doctor in alaska through an operation, you need high-res realtime internet connection, is that cat video going to interrupt that transmission? is something going to interrupt the transmission? that is where the fallacy of where you need to treat all information equally is not what consumers want. kennedy: we all know it's not equal, that's why we pay comcast and time warner so we get it faster. i worry it's going to slow down technology, places that want faster internet are not going to get it. robert mcdowell, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. kennedy: indeed. comedian jim norton is going to be here. first madonna has a problem on stage that got on video. poor madge! and a couple of girl's

basketball teams are in deep yogurt for losing. how bad is it? "topical storm" is next.

. kennedy: when there is a blizzard of nonsense, consider this your sanity cavern. we'll go over the most important news morsels of the day or the weird once. this is "topical storm." topic number one, madonna just performed at the 2015 britawards and doctors may have to perform arthroscopic surgery

on madge's damaged joints. material golden girl took quite a tumble during her song living for love. ♪. kennedy: and then she gets baka up and sings, living for love, dying for vicodin, some people thought it was a cleverly choreographed dance move until she pushed her life alert necklace. one allegedly heard i've fallen and i can't get up, the dance charts. i feel for her, it's hard to pull off sluty at 60. madge, and that sexy crotch. topic number two, groundbreaking news on the fox news channel, nairated by the only man in this country who can do it. just the right way, shepard smith broke in with

play-by-play on an arizona chase, a real nail-biter, but it wasn't cops and robbers on the lam, it was llamas. >> black llama leads white llama in the chase. you can see the human beings following behind, some have lassos. >> they're awfully quick, they have a couple of guys with lassos, but tried to throw them. >> whoa! look at lasso guy in the back here. look at this. so close. llama is better than you. clearly ignored, look, this is possible now. don't hurt him. do not hurt him. no hurting. look at that lassoed llama only on fox. kennedy: only on fox, and that is why he is the most trusted man in news, at one point, there was a swarm of lasso wranglers surrounding them, and shep noted the man-to-man defense failed and they were going to rock the zone. i love it. topic number three, they look like druids or snow bound

grim reapers, look closely at the video, a bunch of franciscan monks caught in a rare snowstorm in jerusalem, though they have undertaken the most serious task of committing their lives to god. at heart they're all a bunch of kids, lobbing frozen water at each other. so fantastic. there he goes, it's not a bad shot. the air hook, then boom! the ringer. that's a frozen rope. you know the old saying, monk see-monk do. [ laughter ] topic number four, two tennessee high school basketball teams have been reprimanded, fined and banned from postseason play, some call it cheating, others call it strategy. coaches call it bracketology. >> trying to literally give her the ball.

terrible sportsmanship by both teams. kennedy: terrible, one of the girls tried to score on the opponent's basket. sweet. whoever won this critical game between riverdale and smyrna high schools in tennessee, they would have to play the reigning state champion. they all knew it, so both teams tried to lose. one team blew 12 of 16 free-throws. the other did try and score in the opponent's bucket. the ref stopped the game and called them out. you can't do that! he said, both teams got booted from the postseason, but the pros do it in sports all the time. intentional walk, suck for luck, should they have been suspended? hit me up on twitter, why don't you, instagram, send me any story you want that's got a touch of weirdness that you would like to see on the "topical storm." use hashtag "topical storm" as nassau 74 did today.

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administration is sending out mixed signals how terrified we should be of terrorism. here's secretary of state john kerry from yesterday. >> despite isil, despite the visible killings that you see and how horrific they are, we are actually living in a period of less daily threat to americans and to people in the world than normally less deaths, less violent deaths today than through the last century. kennedy: that is such great news! i'm so happy to hear that! woo! i can let go of my prescription for lexipro, but today, we hear from james clapper, the director of national intelligence. >> when the final accounting is done, 2014 will have been the most lethal year for global terrorism in the 45 years such data has been compiled. kennedy: looks like i better double the dosage.

who do we have to talk to tonight? jillian k. melcher, will ron, senior editor at daily beast, and steve laser, so focused, democratic strategist and radio host of making sense with steve laser. steve, i will go to you first. how can it be we're living in the safest time of all of humanity yet 2014 was the most dangerous year on record. >> if you listen to the statements carefully, they're not completely contradictory. kerry saying it's safer for americans than any time. it's true, so many security measure, people traveling that are not americans, get fingerprints, looking at the metadata on e-mails and calls, americans are safer thanna ever, i don't think you're going to see an attack on the scale of 9/11 any time in the future. kennedy: how do you know that? how do you know that? i hope to god you're right, i

fear that something is in the works always that is so much more horrific, and i think that's what keeps people like me up at night, there could be something so much worse. >> i tell you why i think that. without being able to exercise any type of command and control, e-mail, phone calls. kennedy: i want to bring in these people so they don't sit here. >> i completely disagree, if you listen to what they're saying, the world is safe compared to the last century. the last century is not a great standard. i had a lot of problems with bush's foreign policy. thought he made mistakes, but increasingly difficult to argue that the world is safer now under obama than bush. kennedy: what do you think, will ron? >> john kerry has a point here, which is that the world is objectively safer than it has been for the vast majority of human history. fewer wars, fewer deaths, fewer

genocide. kennedy: we don't quarter people like we used to, iron maiden. >> these are the rules of history. history is genocide and constant warfare and conflict and ethnic cleansing. the world when you look at it crime rates are dropping across the western world still now for 20 years. you know, we look at the ukraine. kennedy: is clapper just making this claim? >> no, it's a different thing. as steve said we have to factor in the americans. yes, the world is safer than it's been, while at the same time, a brutal caliphate is established in the middle east. however, that caliphate has not shown a particular interest in attacking the united states proper, so? kennedy: i hope you're all right. according to the washington examiner, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco firearms and explosives wants to ban ammunition because the obama administration hasn't been able to ban ar-15 semiautomatic rifles, it's going to go after

the ammunition they use instead. on the grounds they are armor piercing, a threat to police and bullets aren't covered in the second amendment. steve, you were in the air force, have you shot guns. how much malarkey nonsense is this? >> i've fired 5.56 millimeters, that type of ammunition, i think it takes sense to take bullets that can penetrate police vests out of the circulation for the general public. i don't think there's any reason people have to fire that type of ammunition. i've seen police argue both sides of this. the argument that the police have that are against banning these weapons is they don't think people would spend $1000 to buy this. that's a tough assumption to bet the safety of police officers. >> absolutely not. bed has already been made. i can't find one example a police officer killed by a 5.56 bullet. and we're talking about bullets for rifles. rifles account for 2.5% of

homicides, that's not narrowing it down to the caliber. >> before 2001 we didn't have people killed in domestic terrorism incident. in 1998 we had a study that said we need to improve airline security. we didn't have a realistic threat of terrorism. it's too late to do it after it's happened. after a bunch of police have been killed with the armored piercing weapons, it's too late. kennedy: will, you're a recreational hunter, you spend a lot of time in the wilderness, obviously. what do you think about this? >> i think the politics of it make this unlikely for the white house to move forward on. i think every time they move forward with a big gun control push, it blows up in their faces. after sandy hook, they could not get a bill through congress. kennedy: everyone was like whoa. >> if there is any a moment. the power of the nra and the gun lobby is such, and it's like this all over the country, look at the state laws on guns

repealed left and right. if they ban the ammunition, hard to think they would ban the ammunition. kennedy: jillian, will and steve, thank you for being here, fine discussion as always. you might soon get a head transplant. that might be good news for some people or might mean zombies, i hope my body gets neil cavuto's head next time around. sexy, sexy, stay right here. neil. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer,

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. kennedy: hey there, welcome back, in what can only be a bargain with the diablo himself, the kardashians are going to be paid $100 million for four-year contract on e. i congratulate the producers on that network and god have mercy on their soul. jim norton is the co-host of the jim norton show with greg hughes. welcome, jim. >> thank you. kennedy: good to have you here. >> delight to be here. odd setup, i feel weird that my

legs are exposed. i don't know where to put my hands. kennedy: so the kardashians are they worth $100 million over four years. 25 million dollars a year, do we need to see more of them? i was hoping they would fade into obscurity with bruce jenner's transition? >> i can't get enough of the kardashians, they are fun, and get me away, i love kris jenner, he's a monster, she was married to the creep. she knows how to make money. they're worth 100 million if they get paid 100 million. everyone stares at kim kardashian but everyone wants to watch her and see what she's doing. kennedy: what is it about her that's so magnetic? yet repulsive at the same time. >> and repulsive? i don't know, people like to get out of their lives and watch somebody a lot richer for them. if they're going to film me, i do nothing but look at porn and

i'm lonely, i would have nothing to offer. kennedy: really? that surprises me. >> i seem like a social butterfly. i don't know why people are attracted to her and her life but they are. more power to them if they can get that kind of money. kennedy: you are the only person who gave himself tennis elbow without having to pick up a racket. >> it's the compulsive nature of it. kennedy: italian surgeon says the technology for human head transplant is only two years away, the craziest story according to sergio of the turin advanced neurological group, that was rude. a head transplant wouldn't be a cool way to reduce fat, it can help people who suffer from degeneration of muscles or nerves or people with advanced

cancer. this is groundbreaking, intriguing, it steams like science fiction, is that the beginning of the zombie apocalypse, head transplants? >> they should have started on a different body part. that would have gotten the ball rolling. it's going to take more than two years. paralyzed people have to hook up the giant robotic arms for them to do anything, they're not within two years of doing that. kennedy: we'll see, if the spinal chord is severed lower and you cut the head off here and they put someone in a coma for four months and use all sorts of gels and creams to reattach the various parts of the spinal cord and vessels but you have to stay asleep for four months so you don't move anything, so your head doesn't fall off. that's not a lie. >> i don't think that's going to happen in two years, i hate to be a naysayer. i heard they're making livers in the 3-d printers, but

they're working on a human ear, they got cells, i don't think they're two years away from lopping a skull off and putting it onto another body. kennedy: say it works, god forbid, jim norton, if you had to have your head transplanted onto a donor body, it would still be considered masturbuy thing? >> or a homosexual act with another person? kennedy: i don't know. >> either way i win, it's a home run, any way you look at it. i'm all for the transplant. go bruce. big bruce jenner fan. love him. her. kennedy: are you hoping to get bruce's leftovers? >> i like bruce, i think it's really cool to watch the older generation because younger people who transition, you can't tell because they're still young. a 60 something-year-old icon from a wheaty's box is going to be interesting to see how bruce turns out. kennedy: it's incredible, i

hail his every turn. >> her every turn, and i'm a big fan of that community as most people know. i wish bruce a lot of luck. kennedy: i know you do. i appreciate your kind words. come back. >> i hope you invite me back. >> i hope next time we are sitting next to one another so can you see how much longer my torso is than yours. thanks again, jim. coming up next, the story i've been obsessed with all week long, the mystery that goes back over 100 years and has killed millions of people. stay right here.

. kennedy: welcome back, the author of a new book about the origin of the aids epidemic, rather than starting with emergence in new york. a rainforest in cameroon in 1908. where a hunter in the region was infected by a chimp he had killed and butchered. his book, the chimp and the river, how the aids epidemic really began, david, welcome. >> good to be with you. kennedy: so when did -- what is the traditional thinking about when aids started and how were you able to push it back to 1908? >> yes, well, you mentioned this whole story that still lives in people's minds that it began in the early 1980s and homosexual communities in los angeles, san francisco and new york, this canadian airline

steward was supposedly important patient zero, but work in the last eight or nine years by small number of biologists has traced it to its real origins and the story is much different from what we think we know. as you said, it goes back to the southeastern corner of cameroon in central africa in the very early part of the 20th century. 1908, give or take a margin of error, it's an informed estimate based on the new work. kennedy: where a hunter was infected with the chimp's blood by an immunodeficiency virus here, then passed it onto his wife. how did that go from cameroon in the 20th century and spread throughout the world that killed 39 million people. what was the journey? >> it journeyed down a river system out of southeastern cameroon. there are rivers that flow from that area down to the main stem

congo river, the big congo river on which sit a couple of large cities. and they were sizable towns even back in the early 20th century, brazzaville which was capital of the french ekwatorrial africa and he poledville capital of the belgian congo and kinshasa, that is the city in which this simmering infection started to turn into a pandemic. kennedy: so there were a number of people inoculated with reused needles and syringes, and it made a totally different journey to haiti. how did that happen? >> well, it got to haiti in the late 60s because there had been haitian professionals who volunteered to work in the newly independent democratic republic of the congo and they had girlfriends, they had wives. virus was circulating, and then

when mabuteu took over, he took the congo lease out. kennedy: how did it go from haiti to america. this is a fascinating journey? >> we think it went from haiti to america because there was a trade in blood plasma. people were selling their blood, being hooked up to machines for something called plasma freesis and the cells were put back into the bodies, many of the people were hooked up to the same machines and probably infecting one another and the huge pallets of packaged blood plasma were shipped to the u.s. >> and you said it went from hemophiliacs to intravenous drug users to the homosexual community and 39 million people perished because of the aids. the chimp and the river is your

book. >> thank you. >> i really appreciate the story and i'm definitely going to look more into it, and so you should. thank you for watching the show tonight. you can always follow me on twitter. catch up @kennedynation, we'll see you monday night. outnumbered. right now lou dobbs.. >> good evening, everybody, i'm lori rothman in for lou dobbs. five months ago president obama blamed the intelligence community for failing to keep him informed about the growing threat posed by the islamic state. the top intelligence official seemingly struck back telling the armed services committee that the terror threat against america is expanding and last year was the deadliest on record for worldwide terrorist attacks. >> preliminary data for the first nine months of 2014 reflects nearly 13,000 attacks which killed 31,000 people. when the final counting is done, 2014 will