friends.com for after the show show. >> see you tomorrow. the president saying he regrets not shutting down gitmo on his first day in office. one of his reasons to close it is the cost of it. now he wants to r efrnev up foreign aid to stop folks from joining isis. i'm brenda buttner and this is "bulls and bears." here are our bulls and bears of the week. welcome everybody. ashley we heard the administration say jihadists need jobs. the answer is more foreign aid. what do you think of that? >> it's astounding but something we can come to expect from this administration. he says his biggest regret is

not closing gitmo on day one because of costs. yet let's throw more money at the problem like we always do. is that going to stop jihadists from beheading americans or anyone else that we see in these predicaments? we've seen anti-semitism coming from them yet we can't call the problem what it is radical islam. we've yet to see anything denouncing from the administration. yet, let's keep throwing money and hope when they have jobs and more foreign aid the problem will stop instead of actually defining our enemy. >> chuck, our enemy is throwing more foreign aid at our allies over there. does that make sense? >> i agree we should shut down gitmo. like he said from the beginning. i've been disappointed it hasn't been shut down. this problem ain't new. this ain't johnny come lately. they've been fighting each other a long time. we threw a hornet's nest when george bush went in having this

big war now we are supposed to fix this problem. that's the problem i have, this is a world problem and we should not be trying to fix the world's problem. we should get help from lots of people. we can't just walk away from it and hope a bomb don't come up on our shore some day. >> gary b. take that on. >> i want to come at it from a different perspective. president obama says we can't afford gitmo. get more costs about $500 million a year. foreign aid is $30 billion. our defense budget is $600 bill. for 5% of the total defense budget we can certainly afford gitmo and the foreign aid. in fact when it comes right down to it waste and defense we just lost $500 million the cost of gitmo of weapons and supplies and stuff in yemen that the defense department can't claim. the whole argument is idiotic. >> that's part of the point. increasing foreign aid. it might go into the wrong hands. this is a cesspool for

terrorism. >> it's going in the wrong hands for quite some time. to chuck's point about it being a problem there for a long time according to the bible when only four people were there, one killed another one. they have been fighting for quite a long time. president obama said he left a sovereign and stable and self-reliant iraq. he did not tell the truth. we had to go into iraq and restart the war. 1982 we took iraq off the state-sponsored terror list to fund the iraqis against the iranians, hence funding saddam hussein. president obama, our noble peace prize-winning president waived the human rights provision where we can fund terrorists to fight other terrorists. they are worst terrorists. we are funding the second worst bad guy we deem in the middle east right now. this is a policy that's been in the past and it is right now.

>> he's calling for more foreign aid. >> we can afford almost anything. american afford to have a war that costs ten times as much as the iraq war if we really had to and it was really important. world war ii called more and we could borrow $10 trillion if we had to. gitmo we could have 100 gitmos. does it make sense to spend a dollar on it? gitmo isn't cost-effective even though we can afford it. it's too much money per person who is in there. you could pay for a stay at the ritz carlton with a navy seal guarding over them for the same money. we can afford to give a lot of money to the middle east. the cheapest way is to just put another dictator up there. it's not moral but it's their problem. they have access to the oil, they can steal the oil we can't. it makes economic sense for someone else to have this blome in their back door, not america send money with no way to make money from the area like you would in the past maybe.

i don't know. >> gary b. you said we can do both. >> exactly. jonas makes very very good points. the problem is president obama argues it from a cost standpoint. that's my argument, whether you think philosophically gitmo is good or bad. jonas is right. we could move them to a high security prison over here from. a cost perspective, it's just a stupid argument. get off that and get to the philosophy to have a proper debate. >> let's put gitmo aside and talk about throwing more money, more foreign aid out there. does that stop the jihadists? >> no. that's the whole point here. he had enough money to implement obamacare. he raised taxes to do that. i would like to be protected on my own american soil and know that these terrorists are being locked up and detained. a report in january 2015, just two months ago, it was reported that 28.6 of the released

detainees are now reengaged in terrorist activities. is that a safe world we want to be promoting and say we don't have enough money to fight terrorism? i don't think so. we need to take a strong stand and we owe it to the parents of james foley. we owe it to the rest of the others who have been beheaded and murdered at the hands of isis. >> chuck? >> it's like when you went to the carnival and had a hammer they would pop-up over here and there you never have enough money to throw at the problem to fix it because it's a problem that's been going on a long time. at the end. day, we've got to keep our country safe. whatever it takes is what we should be doing. >> terrorists need to be in prison for life and killed. it's too expensive. there is this gray zone in perpetual prison is not a

solution. i don't think there is an economically profitable way to get into the middle east and solve anything. we might need to get someone else doing it. have a revenue model and get other countries to pay for it. we will eventually go broke just throwing money at it. >> it has been said, let them rock. >> absolutely. they are not going to rot, rot in jail. charles manson, i'm not for letting him out because he's been in there a long time. a loot of people don't need to be in society. whatever needs to happen to them needs to happen to them. we are asking the turks to support the kurds who a have been their enemy the past several decades against isis. this is not going to work. chuck is right. this is an absolute mess the middle east. we need to take care of our interests and keep our people safe first and let those guys sort their problems out first. >> got to be the last word, thanks. cavuto on business getting ready to roll. what have you got? >> republican pitching trillions

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want to rush to judgment. back to "bulls and bears." another 30,000 illegals convicted of crimes, sent to jail. then set free by our government. it just happened again. now they're back on the streets. john this is after 36,000 were released in 2013. what is going on here? >> who knows? this is absolutely nuts. our prison system we incarcerate too many people. we have an intercity kid with a drug charge that can't afford a good attorney ends up in prison way too long. you talk about illegals that come here. this isn't about immigration. they broke the law to come here. if they break the law here, a lot were dwis they are endangering other people. send them back home. if you are going to release

people because of overpopulation, why release a person that is not even an american first? release some of these low-risk drug offenders, see if they can make something of themselves. to give them right over american citizens. >> chuck, would you say a lot of them are low risks? >> the numbers bear out they are lower. back to john's point the biggest majority were dwis. 1% were violent criminals. i'm the biggest immigration right activist you would ever have on this program. i'm here to tell you this is an example of the broken system. i will never say it's going to be good to put violent offenders back on the streets. these people should be sent back. he said we want to make sure people are united with their families, not felons. this blows my mind. >> gary b., the problem is that their countries don't want them back. the courts say you can't hold

them indefinitely. should we be giving them those rights? >> some of the people as chuck and john pointed out are okay to go but chuck makes it part like this is a problem with the system. it's not a problem with the system. the problem is with inept government once again. this is a dhs department of homeland security problem. a department which has a budget of $38 billion a year. john cited and you did also that 36,000 released in 2013. of that we had 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assaults. 303 kidnapping convictions. those people were released. this is the kind of inept government that we have running this system. in this case it is a bad system. >> let's accept parade the illegals from the fact the justice releases criminals every

week in america. between half and 75% go back to doing the stuff. >> many served their sentences. the issue here is the illegals have not. >> what is the sentence for drunk driving? it's $100 grand a year in new york to put someone in prison. this is a stupid way to deal with the problem. you can't leave people who are drunk drivers in prison clocking away at these numbers forever. it doesn't make economic sense or moral sense even though it will stop crime to leave all criminals in prison the rest of their life. we have to figure out a cheaper way to deal with criminals and track them in the real world. >> ashley you weigh in on this. >> if you live in this country and you break the law, you go to jail. plain and simple. that's where it stands. i don't care what the infraction is. you do your time and that's it. plain and simple. story solved. problem solved right there the

real issue is the justice system in this country and the fact that we do have overcrowded prisons and that is something we've been hotly debating for years now is what happens when they get overcrowded? who is getting released? what criminals are we letting back out into the streets. no exemptions. it doesn't matter if you've been in this country 10 years or a week. if you break the law, you serve within our justice system. >> there are exemptions. jonas had a few things to say about those. >> yeah. if you are talking about people who committed sexually violent act or homicide like gary pointed out and chuck pointed out, and they are also here illegally, you've got to do something other than let these people free. you have low level offenders. if you commit a crime and go to prison, i understand that. not every crime is equal. you don't go the same amount of homicide as a small amount of marijuana possession. we let these low levels out. we incarcerate way too many

people. let the american people out first before you let somebody who committed a violent crime who is here illegally. that makes no sense. >> gary b.? >> bottom line is if you're illegal and you committed a murder, you have a good chance of being set free. that doesn't pass the sniff test, in my opinion. >> that's the last word. thanks guys. cashin' in just over an hour from now. what do you have coming up? >> murder and mayhem at a museum in tunisia. terrorists attacking a soft target. do we need to do more and spend more to stop it from happening here? americans sound off as starbucks pushes its employees to discuss race relations with customers. see you at 11:30. >> we'll be watching. up here first, another scare in the air. the faa investigating a drone caught on camera flying too close to a news chopper. time to ground drones before

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another potential drone disaster. the faa investigating this drone that was flying way too close to a news helicopter. the same faa just giving amazon the green light to start testing its delivery drone. gary b. says it's time to regulate drones before lives are lost. why? >> set your dvrs on record. this might be the only time i defend government intervention. i'm a big fan.

i talked about the department homeland security. the government has to the protect us. it's like our landlord in this case. someone has to step in and make sure the walls, communal walls are painted. we have to protect the sky. some crazy drone operator is going to crash it down on our house. there are going to be lawsuits. the government does need to step in here. >> jonas to the point of just grounding drones just forgetting about them, get rid of them? >> at the least, we would need the regulation of noise and insurance if it crashes into someone's house. i would consider a flat-out ban before this gets any worse. do you see where this is going? tesla is going to make a self-driving drone. rich people are going to fly to work in their drone pods. it will be a black sky of rich people. noisy, black skies around the clock. it will be too late because then we'll expect to have one. >> i like the idea having my pizza delivered.

you say don't ban them. it could take three minutes to get to your house. what does that do to innovation? >> absolutely. we are in an alternative universe. pigs are going to start flying, hells are going to freeze over and my dallas cowboys are going to win the super bowl. gary b. called for more government regulation. that's nuts here. i agree with you. that is the answer. i don't agree with my friend jonas. there are a lot of people town councils in the 1900s saying you should ban these horseless carriages because they are going to scare all the animals coming down main street. this is technology. it's coming. i agree. find a way to make it safe. it's going to be here. >> the problem is we haven't seen the worst of what could happen. we haven't seen a plane come down. doesn't that change the whole debate when a tragedy like that occurs? >> it does. i've been anti-drone for a little bit because i didn't want to put my ups driver out of

work. we need all these jobs. i didn't want a robot taking over the job. is there an instance when i could use a drone? i got back to louisiana where i was redfishing in the swamp. if i needed bait, that would be the perfect way to deliver bait to fishermen. >> i'm fine if tesla can make them fly over all your houses on sunday morning. >> i'm going to send bait and beer to chuck. >> ashley let's get you in here. what do you think? you like drones? >> i think it's awesome. as a young person here, i'm thinking it's neat a pizza could get to my house in three minutes. it's awesome i could order shoes off amazon and they could arrive in a certain amount of time and not wait five to ten days. as much as i would like to save the jobs, this is cool innovation. we are moving towards these different things. i think we ned to find a way to regulate them.

again, technology is coming. i saw the other day there's these flying cars now. that worries me a little bit. who is going to be operating those? i'm not entirely sure. i'm not that great. if i'm flying a car in the air, watch out. i don't know. i think it's awesome. >> we'll leave it at that, awesome. thanks, guys. thank you to ashley and chuck for joining us. what do you long for after a long day at work? spending time with your spouse, pouring a nice glass of wine. the majority of americans have spoken and it could have you drinking up the profits.

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hard day's work. diagio will be up 20%. just a glass. >> it's saturday morning, you lush. >> where's the box wine? come on. welcome everybody. glad to have you. as soon as republicans rolled out a budget cutting trillions in spending, democrats pile on. >> their budget doles out more to those who already had the most. makes massive cuts to investments that benefit all of us. >> house republican budget fails to provide for our national security or economic security. >> it makes devastating cuts in important investments like our kids' education. >> that's the democrats way saying they don't like it. charles says stop the scare tactics start the slashing. ben stein.