tv MONEY With Melissa Francis FOX Business March 24, 2015 2:00pm-3:01pm EDT
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cover one of the two black box on board. it's a scene of devastation as france's worst plane crash in three decades likely claims all 150 lives on board. you are looking at scene. look at that. this is near the remote site high in the french alps 25 miles from the italian boarder. germanwings 9225 took off from barcelona on the way to dusseldorf. 40 minutes into the trip it suddenly began to fall at 60 feet per second. the a320 jet didn't send a distress call. few minutes later air traffic controllers lost contact and they declared emergency. obama administration says there is no link to terrorism at this time. the cause of the crash is puzzling to investigators as it did not follow a typical disaster pattern. the widely flown a320 crashed in broad daylight shortly after reaching cruising altitude
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typically the safest part of the journey. i'm joined now by tom sullivan of fox business. we have den henninger of "the wall street journal." katie pavlich townhall.com, a fox news contributor. tom sullivan, i will start with you, because you're the one with pilot's experience. are you surprised they found the black box so quickly as you see the scene of debris? found it right away. >> somewhat. there is debris. it was daylight. it is dark now. but it is also not a black box. it is an orange box. there are two of them. so if you're looking at your debris field, hopefully the orange would stand out. that is why they paint them orange, that they will stand out among the debris. melissa: do you think that will have all the clues? >> yes. because this is a mystery. so, there are two boxes. one is the flight data recorder which measures well, over 100 different things going on with an airplane of the other one is the cockpit voice recorder.
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old models used to be 30 minutes. melissa: we don't know which one they have? >> we don't. if they find one, they will find the other. both of those will really unravel this mystery. that's why they have these because this doesn't make any sense. melissa: yeah. dan, we heard a lufthansa spokeswoman a short time ago saying they don't want to speculate at all what happened but it's a mystery. what comes into your mind? >> what comes into my mind is the fact we no so little. i wanted to ask tom, quickly, do those boxes send out sig metals that would allow us to identify where they are. >> no. >> they don't? >> that was the problem with the malaysia. >> that is point i wanted to raise. in an era of such advanced electronics, now this is a 23-year-old plane. you can't expect it to have that sophisticated electronics, we go through this every time. the flight controlser send out a discall. nothing came back. presumably there is communicating person-to-person.
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my question is whether on these planes, you should have a computer system that is in fact communicating with air traffic control rather than the pilot itself? i know this is a controversial thing to bring up pilot error whether computers should be flying these planes. we keep going through these problems every time. it would make sense if we had a computer talking to the ground. >> there ace beacon that does go off, that is a separate instrument that does go off on a crash of all planes. small planes, big planes. doesn't matter. that beacon was on this plane but that is not in the cockpit voice recorder. it's a separate device. >> yeah. melissa: hang on a second. we have someone on the phone. jim hall, the former chairman of the national transportation safety board. he joins us now on the phone. i want to bring you in because of course you chaired the ntsb from 1994 to 2001. you have a lot of experience in this area. what is your best guess right
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now? what do you think happened? >> well, anything at this point is speculation and it appears to be a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft. and that could have resulted from either mechanical operational, or criminal act. melissa: as an investigator, are there clues so far that jump out at you, that catch your attention? >> no. i mean the good news is we have the recorders. i have long advocated having in addition a cockpit video recorder attached as part of the black boxes because many times there is actions going on in the cockpit that we still have difficulty interpreting. but, with those recorders we should know fairly -- what caused this tragedy. melissa: jim, is it meaningful to you they didn't send out a
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distress signal? >> well, there is, on each one of the, on the black boxes, a a distress signal but many times they will break up break off at impact like this and not send a signal. that's why i have been for deployable recorders. two eight and as well as real-time transmission are being considered by the internatioal civil aviation organization. just unfortunately takes time to get consensus among 300 nations. melissa: no doubt. jim, thank you so much. i want to go back to my pan fell for reaction to that. katie, in this day and age, seems like makes a lot of sense in addition to having voice recorder and data recorder as he suggested to have video recorder especially when we are so concerned about acts of terror on board. i'm not connecting that to this. but we have no idea what happens
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here. it enters everyone's mind. in this day and age does it make sense to add a video recorder? >> i think it does. engineers are constantly working on that technology inside our universities aviation universities teaching people how to fly. they take a lot of feedback from the pilots in the cockpits what would be helpful for them and investigators who bo to the scenes, saying this would be helpful developing new information about what happened. in the end it happened very rarely as horrible and tragic as it is. this is the first accident, i believe for this airline. this is not something that happens a lot with commercial airlines. but unfortunately when it does of course we want all the answers. good news in this case they do have the plane, they do have the black boxes and the families are going to get answers eventually whereas with the malaysia flights for example. hasn't been found. those families don't have closure. at least in this case there will be some closure despite how tragic it really is. that is a technology they should
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develop. >> tell you who fights the camera in this, unions pilots unions. they don't want a camera in their work space. melissa: i mean you already have the voice data recorder and voice recorder data recorder. so why -- >> like jim hall said, there are still when they're listening there would still like to be able to see. melissa: right. >> so the investigator would like to have the camera. pilots unions usually say please don't. melissa: because? >> privacy. melissa: dan, does that make sense to you? >> well, what makes sense to me that they should have all the information possible, given the consequences of an event like this. if it includes video recorders in the cockpit, i can't think of any reason why you couldn't make an argument for doing that on planes that you could retrofit now. i was talking earlier about new planes that should have sophisticated electronics. these are old planes but they could have them retrofitted to do that sort thing. melissa: you mentioned how long it has been since something like
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this happened. the last major crash in the alps was air india, 1966. there were no survivors on board. the deadliest on french soil. this is the deadliest on french soil since 1981. that is certainly a while back. this is treacherous scene in terms of trying to recover debris. we know it is about a two-hour hike from the nearest staging area. right now they have hundreds of people who are there getting ready. we're supposed to know more tonight. i want to bring in oliver mcgee. he joins us from washington. he is a former u.s. deputy assistant secretary of transportation. thank you so much for joining us. you served in that role from 1999 to 2001. and, you have seen, you've seen a lot of accidents in your day. what do you make of this one? >> well, i think this is probably an issue on equipment. it appears to be best speculation says it may be a
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decompression that took place. we're talking about pilots use of glasscock pit, fly-by-wire, airbus series, compared to fly by cable on the boeing series. pilots like to fly by cable because they can feel the aircraft better. they feel how it moves. aviate and 1/2 gaat better. fly-by-wire, cockpits sometimes they black out. this could happen here if we speculate. everything i'm say something speculation until we get the black boxes in place. that is a preference between the pilots of the insofar having recordings inside of the cockpit that is a good . mr. hall is suggesting because the more information we get, the better we know how to investigate these crashes. melissa: yes. >> more importantly real-time tracking of these aircraft is is very, very important to have this right now. i think there will be more movement in that right now. melissa: tom wants to jump in.
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>> one of the things you mentioned, the airbus is a very sophisticated plane an they will send out a master warnerring to the pilots if there is a decompression they will also send a signal to the ground to their operations center, and no word of that being received by the airline. so -- melissa: yeah, what do you think of that, oliver? >> right now we don't know really what is being received by the airlines or air traffic control or anything until we get the plaque boxes in place. -- black boxes. everything i said is speculative and everything you've seen in the news but that is a possible possible scenario that could be the case here. melissa: okay. >> glasscock pits do black out and sometimes pilots get in a little bit of trouble zones in that. melissa: we heard from a lufthansa official a few moments ago. let's listen to that real quake. >> for the time-being we say it is an accident. there is nothing more than we can say right now. everything else would be
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speculation. melissa: oliver, do you rule out sabotage at this point based on the evidence? are you pretty close to it? >> i'm pretty much ruling out any type of terrorism or sabotage at this point. i'm not absolutely correct on that. we always have to keep that scenario open but that is a low probability. this was a slow, controlled descent. and, communications with the air traffic control was consistent. but, i don't seem, doesn't strike me as anything catastrophic was happening. there was 4000-foot per minute controlled descent. that is usually generated by autopilot in the fly-by-wire systems. melissa: oliver, thank you so much. we appreciate it. we're moments away from a joint news conference that is coming up at white house. this as president obama stepping out with afghan leader ashraf ghani, here on his first official visit. why the u.s. may be slowing the
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withdrawal from that country. the latest dominoes to fall. afghanistan now scared that isis is operating within its borders. new concerns the extremists have plans to make it a strategic strong hold. more "money." we have many so answers coming up. ♪ ♪ help northern china reduce its reliance on coal fire heating plants and prevent
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melissa: this is live look at the east room of the white house where president obama and president ashraf ghani of afghanistan will hold a joint news conference. that will begin moments from now. we could be on the verge of a huge military shift. fox news is learning that president obama will slow the drawdown of u.s. troops from afghanistan. here to discuss all of that, rick grenell, former spokesman to the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. also fox news contributor. chris harmer is here from the institute for the study of war. judy miller here from the manhattan institute. she is also a fox news contributor. i hardly know where to start. judy, let me start with you.
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you won a pulitzer your prize on your series of al qaeda and usama bin laden. what do you think about slowing the pace of withdrawal? the right move? >> i think absolutely the right move. i think that's what ash carter, new secretary of defense came away from his trip. he made his feelings about this known to the president. the president of course has what i call the extrication narrative going. he wants us out of afghanistan out of iraq. he wants to say he ended all this for us. but i think that the reality on the ground has dictated another policy. and that is what ghani is here to plead for. melissa: chris harmer, more and more people are saying it's a mess whether we leave or not. it is not a stable nation. it is not going to be. why should we spill more blood and treasure to try to secure something that isn't securable? >> well it is a mess. it might not be securable in the short term but we better be forward engaged and forward
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leaning and strategically engaged or al qaeda, isis will take advantage of the vacuum. look at places where u.s. walked back from. we walked out of iraq. that void did not stay empty. it was filled by isis and revolutionary guard corps. that void was not empty then it was filled by hezbollah and isis. we can't solve all problems around the world. we can't be everything to everyone. but when we have specific enemies taking advantage of our absence i make the case we need to be for regard deployed and forward engaged. afghanistan is one of those places. melissa: rick, let me ask you. you led communication strategies on war on terror in afghanistan and iraq. what does it mean we keep sending this message out and telling the other side the pace we're leaving what we're doing from a communications standpoint? is that good or is that tipping our hand? >> yes, totally tipping our hand. we certainly didn't do that in the bush administration.
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we weren't announcing our plans. i think judy is right about ash carter. this is a new day. he is not interested in tipping his hand. he is a secretary of defense that didn't want to take the job unless he had independence. and i think this is the first big move for the secretary. i think it's a very good move. i spoke to embassy personnel, u.s. embassy personnel in kabul this morning and they're telling me that it's very, it's a very different day. not only with ash carter but with president ghani. he is much different than president karzai. he is coming to the u.s. today to thank americans for all of their help. he is also going to make the case that isis is a big problem. inside of afghanistan. now that is significant because that message appeals to president obama and conservatives on the hill. i think he will get a lot of, a lot of support from that. i betcha that is coming from ash carter who is helping him formulate the message how you
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get more troops to stay in afghanistan. melissa: judy real quick, is it a new day with this new leader? >> definitely it is. it is such relief to hear an after gan president thank american soldiers for protecting his country and the american tax payer to keep his country afloat. afghanistan's economy is stag than the. huge unemployment. melissa: the president is about to step out with the leader of afghanistan. why our soldiers may be about to spend a lot more time in the middle east. turning up uninvited. reports out that israel has been keeping very close tabs on our iranian nuke talks. do you ever have too much money or information? there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment
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melissa: just moments from now president obama holding a joint news conference with afghanistan's president ashraf ghani. rich edson standing by at the white house with what we can expect. rich? >> president obama, president ashraf ghani just concluding their meeting here at the white house. we expect statement as short while from now. we gotten a joint statement from the two countries based on president ghani's request for flexibility in the u.s. drawdown the u.s. will maintain current posture of 9800 troops through the end of 2015. specific trajectory of the 2016 u.s. troop drawdown will be established later this year, in a troop consolidation to kabul based embassy presence in 2016. the thought that the u.s. would have 1000 troops at the end of president obama's second term. going forward mostly to guard the u.s. embassy staff in kabul. we expect two will come out shortly. take some questions after they make their statements on this first visit by ashraf ghani as president of afghanistan, to the
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u.s. he did work here for 15 years at the world bank. melissa? melissa: thank you so much for that. let's get a quick check on the markets while all this is going on. stocks at session lows right here of the dow is down, you can see there about 86 points. nicole petallides at floor of new york stock exchange where homebuilders are having a good day. nicole? >> no doubt melissa. you noted session lows on the do you. let as look at some homebuilders on heels of numbers we got early this morning on new home sales. in fact what we saw with those new home sales, they rose almost 8% and moved to seven year highs. equally bullish with the prior month revised higher. you see names such as hovnanian up 7 1/2%. pulte up 2%. lennar was winner. big move from negative into positive. hovnanian gained 20 cents a short time after the report came out. back to you. melissa: thank you, nicole. new allegations that the netanyahu government spied on u.s. nuclear talks with iran.
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according to a new report from the "wall street journal." let's bring in our panel. rick grenell. tony sayeg. peter brookes from the heritage foundation. former deputy secretary of defense under president george w. bush. thanks tore joining us. ric, you were longest serving spokesman for the u.s. in history. does this stuff go on at u.n.? >> goes on all the time. rule is you can't get talk doing it. let's face it everybody does it. the worst offenders, germans when they get caught always like they have never done it before. so the -- melissa: you read this morning. absolutely i believe this is the case. do you then believe supposedly handed off to members of congress? peter, maybe i throw this one out to you. speaker john boehner saying he was shocked to read these reports. he doesn't know anything about
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it. do you believe that? >> it is very possible. you know, i worked on the hill for a number of years. i was republican staffer when the clinton administration was in office and we had a lot of hard time getting them to come clean on issues related to the north korean nuclear agreement. so this is that sort of tension that exists within the u.s. government's specially when you have different parties in the white house and on capitol hill. melissa: tony, according to the journal the actual espionage didn't bother the white house as much as idea of israel sharing information with other u.s. lawmakers. does this push you're the political guy, does this push the divide further? >> yeah. you have a lot of democrats in congress, very very skeptical going along with the president's deal. i suspect that is why he preferred to go to the u.n. versus united states congress because you have 12 democrats in the united states senate. all said they would not support the iran deal. goes to show you with the obama administration so concerned about netanyahu sharing this
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information with republicans and others in congress because the president hasn't cooperated and shared this with congress. would not be a significant issue if the president's ambition wasn't so blind a to achieve a deal if it's a bad one and b, to shut republicans out of a deal if he ever pursues it. melissa: peter, real quick, do you agree with that? >> yes. there should be greater transparency between the congress and the executive because it is an historic deal they're talking about here. it is unfortunate it wasn't. any information congress is always looking for information as well so they can pulls the ad administration on issue so toe see what the ground truth is. melissa: we'll leave it there. we have live pictures from the white house. we're awaiting with president obama. expecting to speak with the afghan president any moment from now. plus a nightmare in the skies. deep, horrifying. german parenting plane, before crashing in south of france.
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melissa: we are kidding the signal we are seconds away from president obama holding a joint conference with afghan president . this is a shift from earlier policy of course. rich said finn is standing by right now. i mean it is a difficult balance right now. so many americans are frustrated. they are frightened from the threat from isis. >> right. this is a balance that the administration has been trying to address.
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the wind down in afghanistan has taken longer. we have seen what has happened in the middle east. >> okay. let's listen in. here is the president of the united states with the president of afghanistan. >> our thoughts and prayers are with our friends in europe. especially the people of germany and spain following a terrible airplane crash in france. it is particularly heartbreaking because it apparently includes the loss of so many children. some of them, infants. i called german chancellor merkel and i hope to speak with the president of spain later today to express their condolences of the american people and offer whatever assistance we can as they investigate what has proven to be an awful tragedy. our teams are in close contact
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and working to figure out how many americans were on board. our message to them is that as their steadfast friend and ally, america stands with them at this moment of sorrow. now, it is a great pleasure to welcome the afghan president to the white house. he spent time here in the united states as a student and a scholar. he happened to go to columbia university where we both studied here and spent time in the world hangs just down the street from here. his life reflects the friendship between americans and afghans. i want to extend to you the warmest of welcomes. his presence here today along with the chief executive officer scores afghanistan's progress.
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and last year's election, millions of afghans defied the threat and cast their ballots. in the spirit of compromise or everything he ensure the power of afghan history. reflecting the diverse city, strength and determination of the afghan people. the government signed a bilateral agreement between the two countries. after 13 years america's combat mission in afghanistan came to a responsible end. afghan forces now have full responsibility for security across their country. they are making extraordinary
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sacrifices. fighting and often dying for their country. they continue to grow stronger, month by month. today, we honor the many afghans, men women and children who have given their lives for their country. we salute the 2200 americans patriots who made the ultimate sacrifice in afghanistan and the many more that were wounded. this morning the president visited the cemetery. we know that meant a lot to the families. with a new government in afghanistan and with the end of our combat mission this visit is an opportunity to begin a newchapter.
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i think you both for your strong support of the partnership between our two nations. yesterday, they have had the chance to spend time in camp david with our respective teams and had excellent discussions on how we can move forward. we focused on several areas. first, we agreed to continue to keep in place our close security operations. afghanistan remains a very dangerous place. suicide bombings against civilians. the president is pursuing reforms to further and afghan security forces. part of the ongoing nato mission, the united states will continue to train advise and assist security forces. we will work with congress to
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sustain afghan troops. we will continue to conduct targeted counterterrorism operations. we agree to maintain a dialogue in the years ahead. at our peak, four years ago the united states had more has more than 100,000 troops in afghanistan. in support of today's narrow missions we have just under 10,000 troops there. last year i announced a timeline. i made it clear that we are determined to improve. the president has requested some flexibility. i consulted with campbell. we will maintain our current posture of 9800 troops through the end of this year. the specific trajectory will be established later this year.
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the and of 2016. this flexibility refracts our partnership with afghanistan which is aimed at making it secure and preventing it to launch terrorist attacks. reconciliation remains the surest way to achieve the full drawdown in a way that safeguards interest in peace in afghanistan. second and the best way to ensure we will continue to support an afghan led reconciliation process. you have shown both leadership in reaching out to pakistan. afghanistan and the united states agree on what the taliban and must do. break with al qaeda and abide by
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afghan law including the protection for women and minorities. we will continue to support the government in its effort to serve the afghan people. president donnie you spoke about the need with corruption. the united states area much commend you for those efforts. you moved many afghans with your allocated treaty to your wife and partner first lady. america will continue to be your partner in advancing the rights and dignity of all afghans including women and girls. finally, we will continue to support the lives of the afghan people. germanic improvements and public health. life expectancy.
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literacy. including for millions of girls that are in school. the president is a leading expert on development. i have been impressed. he wants to empower afghans in these efforts and that is why under the new development and partnership that we announced yesterday, they will go through afghan institutions. in closing i note that the purpose is to make the world safe for human differences. afghanistan and our world is marked by incredible diversity. i believe it will help advance the goal. they have sacrificed over the
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years. making our two countries and world safer. people here is the afghan president. >> first of all i would like to express the deep sympathies of the government and people of afghanistan to german and spanish families. both of these top part. i would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to
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kind. making sure that 36% would have the dignity and not have to face prosperity. we are grateful. your national security team has gone out of its way to engage. for the hours of sleep we caused you. for your very able diplomacy and capitalizing the unity that today is on display. it will be in doing a phenomenon. for the unity against the division that our opponent and
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a transition according to the timeline. now unite us. we can assure you that the government of national unity is revitalized with this partnership with the united states. not just for afghan stability but for regional and global stability. the flexibility that has been provided for 2015 will be used to and sure that the national
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security forces are much better equipped trained and are focused on the continental mission. i am pleased to say that the parch the security is anticipated. i would like to pay tribute to this moment to the continued sacrifice of the security forces civilians and nation. it is part of -- we are unique in ways. we are very proud of our islamic civilization. it is totally and dialogue with the world. we have the capacity to speak.
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they do not speak for islam we do. it is genuine islam that is interested. we have taken both steps. we do hope that these steps are noticed because the rats that exist, the changing of quality of terror are making it imperative that all government be with each other. today, the state system is under attack. these are distractive movements. it is essential that we come at them with vigor and determination. we must differentiate.
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any difference, anything that defies that must be shown the determination that we can arrive at. our commitment to peace is clear. what we acquire will choose the country over themselves and unite and dissolving whatever made the that divides them. using it as a proxy for other services. it has provided us an opportunity. i am, again wanting to express
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>> first of all we have to remember the timeline for a with drawdown to aunt and the sea centered presidents. a normalization of our presence in afghanistan. remaining until the end of 2016. that has not changed. our transition out of a combat role has not changed. i am the first to say that, as long as our men and women in uniform are serving in afghanistan, there are risks involved. it is a dangerous place. casualties have come down as we engage in the drawdown. it has been over 90 days since two americans were killed in afghanistan. that has occurred because we are not in a combat role.
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i think that it is worth noting that significant casualties have incurred as we drawdown. they are fighting with courage and tenacity. they are getting better month by month. you cannot minimize the sacrifices that our military families make. some folks will be rotating a few extra months. we are essentially moving the drawdown pace over to the right for several months to compensate for the late eighth. it took four government. we are making sure we're doing everything we can to help support and make sure that the security forces succeed.
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counterterrorist are being launched out of afghanistan. we are on the path to do that. it was my assessment that it for us to provide a few extra months for us to be able to help on things like logistics. making sure that equipment is not just in place but also fused properly. training and advising and strategic input continues through this fighting season so the president is taking on the president in a way we have not seen from an afghan president. we can assess here is where our strengths are. here is what our ranks are.
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the bottom line is, our men and women in uniform make enormous sacrifices. they serve alongside them. this will mean there will be some folks in afghanistan that would have been home. it is important to keep in if, first of all that we have gone down from 100,000 down to under 10,000. they are not on the front lines because they are not in a combat role. we are doing all that we can do to make sure that it is a priority for all that are in afghanistan. the date for us to have completed our drawdown will not change. it is my judgment, is the judgment of others on the ground provide this additional time
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frame. for us to be able to help the security forces succeed. in that sense once again we are asking our men and women in uniform to fight on behalf of our freedom in behalf of a more orderly world. it does raise a debate on capitol hill. friends up on capitol hill, including on the other side of the aisle, to take a look at their budgets. if we're holding both our defense and nondefense budgets to 2006 levels it's a lot harder for us to do the job that we need to do not only on the national security side but also here at home making sure that when our men and women come home
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and when they potentially go into civilian life, that they've got a strong economy that their kids have good schools that they can send their kids to college, that they get the veterans benefits they have so richly earned and deserve. you know, that would be a good way for us to express the thanks for the sacrifices they consistently make. >> i met yesterday the widow of general gray. she would like the memory of her husband to be preserved by a sustainable afghanistan that is secure. the 2150 americans who have died must leave behind a legacy of a stable afghanistan, and it's that reservation of those
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gains that i think inspires the american servicemen and women to obey the call of their commander, the order of their commander. taking them out of harm's way, as the president mentioned, for the past hundred days because the combat role has ended, the exposure, the number of casualties is really down. there isn't, you know my most horrible reading of the day is my first middle of the day and end of the day security reports where i see the casualty figures. they're no longer american or european casualties. john campbell is making sure that they remain in support role, their train advise, assist role husbandriesings, but they're -- husbandriesings, but they're nowhere comparable to
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combat role. and end of that combat role is -- and. [inaudible] is what will guarantee the investments. fourteen years' payoff in terms of gains that will insure. last point, afghanistan is the front line. because of american engagement in afghanistan, there has not been attacks on mainland university. but let's not forget that -- on mainland united states but let's not forget fortresses cannot be built. we are in an interconnected world, and our security is joined together. >> thank you very much -- [inaudible] president obama you're talking about a long-term strategic
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partnership between afghanistan and the united states. at the same time, you're talking about -- [inaudible] withdrawal of soldiers from afghanistan. how do you insure the long-term or how do you define the long-term strategy partnership after 2017? or from 2017 onward? [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: i wanted to -- what do you expect, what would the expectations coming to the united states and what would you like to return with to afghanistan? [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: our expectations were that our cooperation will be enhanced, and we will have clear vision and practical vision for cooperation for an enduring cooperation with the united states with be there, and this change of environment
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