ook at online poll results. we asked -- thanks for being with us. good night from new york.. neil: mitt romney, herman cain ross perot, carly fiorina. think quick what to they all have in common? i'll tell you, getting into the business because they were big in business. welcome, everybody i'm neil cavuto. if you are a successful business person, you are going to get kicked in the can. mitt romney found that out, herman cain found that out. ross perot found that out and carly fiorina is finding that out. no sooner did she announce her run for president of the united states, then the media was running her through the mill over her years at hewlett-packard. let me be clear, the media

should be running her business record through the mill. after all, she's basing her entire candidacy on the business experience. but is it me or the media focusing more on the people she laid off than the technology powerhouse many others insist fiorina helped reignite? romney endured the same thing over bain capital days. when the media chose to focus not on all the job and the outbroke fixing companies but the relatively few lost when he couldn't fix some companies. not all that different than how they made a fast joke of herman cain's fast food background or laughed off ross perot's charts as a manifestation of a billionaire with nothing to do. and you wonder why we don't get more candidates from outside the petri dish? i'm not seeing carly is not due for tough questioning. she's assuming it will be fair questioning, tough luck.

to business guru, greg rayburn who says biz bark the candidates is the price of the game. >> it's the price of the game. i think it's interesting how skewed it gets. somebody took the carly fiorina.org website and put frowning faces for 30 people she laid off. meg whitman laid off way more than that. neil: but you ever want to see a clear sign of the mainstream media is not a fan of business people, period it radiates here. the same media says that we got to branch expand the pool of players when we look at candidates? >> you got two problems there. one is what you alluded to. why would anybody do it. why would anybody that is successful in business. neil: have you ever entertained -- you would have to take a big pay cut. has it ever come up they would drag you through the mud.

>> it's great to say from the business background, this say decision we need to make it's as clear a bell to me right? that's not how politics works. and most successful business people they know don't have the patience neither do i. neil: michael bloomberg, controversy as mayor, billionaires can do what they want to do he was a very effective and good mayor. compared to the charletain we have now. having said that, i think that there's an enormous amount patience involved with enduring this. i don't think guys like you, or successful business guys, can deal with that. it's such a different process than running a company. >> it is vastly different and the times i had run-ins when i was running new york city offtrack betting. i had a deal with the tracks and the unions. neil: and the italians. >> we had it all wrapped up. took it to albane, and all we

needed to approve it and the senate republicans killed it. and we had to close it. neil: but here's my theory on this, you can disagree with me. i think guys like you, it's not so much your way or the highway you're a very type a personality take charge you have to negotiate every little detail to the point it's so watered down it's not worth it. when you are running a board or take over a company or have agenda. it's focused on turning a business around that's not how washington works. >> i think successful ceos that i know, you know they understand that they have to consent to a bill. they have to work with the differing points of view to get things done. but they're not going to suffer fools and they're not going to stay out and hang out and wait for a long process to occur to get things done. washington is completely different. politics are completely different. the things you have to put up

with are not well suited to high-caliber business person. neil: i look at business types who go on the record they don't have the political record, so you have to judge them through the only prism. fair game to start going to the layoffs with carly fiorina and whether merger with compaq was justified in retrospect. i remember her building shareholder value. i also remember her substantially growing the company. i also remember expanding that company into markets and regions of the world that never even knew what computers were. so i feel where is the balance of that argument. no ceo, even you as an impeccable record. in the media, they don't give you that benefit. >> they don't it's disappointing in this instance right? i don't think she has, in my opinion, any chance of winning

the nomination but the republican party clearly needs her as sort of the yard dog for hillary clinton. neil: right now she's the only woman. would that make a difference? >> enough to offset and to attack where hillary comes from. i'm not taking a side on either one. i am saying you need her in the game. we don't need the press singling her out now. she had a, i think, a good career at lucent prior to -- neil: people forget that. >> to hewlett-packard, you don't get that job for a reason. neil: i think there is a prevailing wisdom not among the american people i don't think the american people feel this way in certainly the political establishment, the left leaning political establishment to be suspicious of those that succeed. hence the way we refer to the 1 hs as all but evil, and that hillary clinton is going to

trample on them i think the whole language is so damaging that it's going to make people rethink the need forget about entering politics, even succeeding in business. >> right. i think that's true. and when huckabee starts talking about term limits that's really the issue, because if i sit back and say what's worse, somebody who's really successful in their career, and maybe they had bad periods during that but overall very successful or someone who's a career politician that's been in washington for 30 years. i think the latter is worse. we need to be encouraging other people want to to get in the game. frankly from my perspective i don't see why anybody would do it. neil: all we need is someone good at math. >> that would work. neil: alien concept in washington. greg, good seeing you my friend. thank you very much. in the meantime carly fiorina will be here to defend her business past and make her case

tomorrow night on fbn and only fbn. the fact we're getting so many republicans in the race indicates they all think hillary clinton is beatable in the race. maybe so, and certainly her negative numbers are way up. with all of that new polls out just now show her beating every republican contender. and that's despite all the buzz and bashing courtesy of the "clinton cash" book that's out. i was surprised to hear i thought that was out for weeks now. just got out today. to clinton confidant lanny davis why he thinks clinton is ready for the blows. how is it hillary is holding her own and holding the leads albeit mixed leads against all republican comers? >> i have to congratulate you forgive me for paying you a compliment. i hope it doesn't hurt you. i've watched a number of programs including a competitive station on cable who led with the fact that trust numbers had dropped and

at the end, by the way said she's beat every republican. you are starting with the glass half full. neil: i am what does it is a about the republican field early as it is lanny, and how she hangs onto that. >> two answers first of all, she has a reservoir of support over many, many years that sticks with her when there's a lot of smoke and political pounding that looks like there's no fire and no substance which is what most people who are open-minded see in both the e-mail story and the foundation story. i'm not saying that everybody does but most people. it hasn't hurt her as much as you think from all the headlines. neil: yet. >> yes, yet. clearly it hasn'ta hurt her because the negatives haven't been driven up by the pounding. secondly, there is something to be said for the common sense and the intelligence of the american people, after a while they get the difference between

innuendo and no facts. and the man that wrote the book about the cash and the clintons admitted on this very network he had no substance, it was all smoke. he said, in fact, there is no evidence of illegality and the publisher said no evidence of anything unethical. neil: he said there is no clear signs of a quid pro quo or getting money or doing a favor for a person. >> i don't think he said clear. neil: well i don't think the smoke in mirrors. lanny,il say this is it your sense when you see and look at the poll data. the likability factor, that that is just not there for her. it might be because of the negatives pounded a bit. it tends to be important in races richard nixon was not the favored candidate but still won. is that something that weighs on her, and does it worry you? >> first all, i agree with you. i knew george bush from

college, and when al gore and all of the gore campaign were so confident about the debate, i said look out, this guy was one of the most popular, nice people i met in college, and likability is going to come through in this debate. of course that happened. likability is and i know this is going to roll eyes out there. hillary clinton's most positive political strength because once you get to know her, the image as i have known her over 45 year she's funny down to earth, extremely likable. the image from afar can be the opposite until you get to know her, when she started campaigning in new york state you may remember all the negatives and the unlikability and all of that suddenly melted when she went upstate new york and came through. neil: i love you, dearly, this is new york where communists and socialists get elected. i will say this, you are a good friend, not a weather vane-type

friend, you are loyal. i want to raise this the closeness of a battle one-on-one with rand paul, and the idea that young libertarian types. that is something that she's got to address because if he were the nominee that could prove very, very telling because among those independent voters, typically those skewing democrat skew at least to him? >> there's no question he's got more support among young people and probably minorities more than other republicans, compared to hk -- hillary clinton he won't be able to compete very well. i wrote a column about the mass incarceration that hillary clinton talked about in the inner cities and rural areas of low offense and no victim crimes. >> he agreed. >> he not only agreed, he's one of the leaders in the movement. if rand paul avoids what he's

been unable to avoid downright nasty. he misses the advantage and he will turn off the young people. for some reason someone told him the way to get ahead is to be nasty towards hillary clinton rather than be rand paul, which is quite attractive and intelligent and creative, and i don't know why nasty is working in his mind as something you ought to do. i would suggest that it doesn't work for him. neil: like when they tell television anchors on news shows to argue and yell. they think they're going to get ahead. lanny davis always good seeing you, my friend. >> thank you, neil. neil: now individual investors jumping into the market. a sign maybe you should jump out?

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stimulus. crude oil settling at 2015 high, over 60 bucks a barrel now. it's up, when it just comes to gas, 25a cents a gallon from a month ago. economists lenore hawkins said people weren't spending when gas was sinking don't count on them to be spending now once it starts rising. well, it's still early in this and as you remind i check the notes you pointed out that we are still off 35, 40%, so there is that in context. but it is interesting that americans have not been spending that dough. so what are they doing with it? >> well a lot of it is they're saving it. you are know, when we saw oil prices drop, 60%, we didn't see the explosion in spending that many economists were forecasting. instead people were socking it away. we keep be told the economy is doing so well. we poured all that gasoline on the economy trying to get it

to fire up, but we're really only getting a flicker. people understandably saving a bit more. as we head into the summer season, people want to take trips with families. that means driving. maybe taking flights. buying something fun for the home. if prices at the pump keep going up. it's going to put a damper on that. neil: so they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. they're coming down not spending as much as they could, prices go up sounds like the makings of a correction or worse. what are you look at? >> absolutely. you look at what we've got going on right now. there are so many tailwinds to the economy. we were told if we had low interest rates thatald get things going. we've had the lowest interest rates in history for years. we're still struggling. we were told government spending would do the trick. it took us 230 years to accumulate 9 trillion in debt. we doubled that in the past seven years. neil: i agree with you, you are

dead-on right about them. the idea the markets would be impacted the markets more than double. the people's jobs certainly the quality they were in prior recoveries. are such they are still increasing, so i'm wondering whether we are succeeding despite all of those cross winds. >> the stock market that's gone up that only benefitted people that are invested. that's not the vast majority of americans. last quarter, people were take more money out of stock market they are understandably nervous. it's helping those who already have money. as far as the economy, we're told the employment situation is getting better, well that guy holding down two jobs just to make ends meet yes, an economist would count that as two jobs. you and i both know, for that guys it's one tough job of

getting through the day. neil: it is that. lenore, thanks you totally bummed me out. always good seeing. >> you good to see you, neil. neil: borrowing to buy, talk about itching to invest with money investors do not have. that has not stopped folks from diving into stocks they are doing so on marginboroing to buy. this the sign we are nowhere near the to. dan schaeffer says it's the clear sign for market top. chris you are staying calm? >> i am neil. absolutely. if you look back at past when we've seen margin debt climb just because the margin debt is high, doesn't mean anything. the year-over-year change, how fast it's growing, that's what really matters. >> how does that look? >> believe it or not, january, february saw it fall. march was off 5%. way off the significant

increases we saw in 1999 and 2,000. neil: the argument is in that the number is going up there is more borrowing, that is a trend that's not the market's friend. to counter the fundamentals, right? >> in this current environment, neil, with the margin debt so high and a lot less players in the market, it makes it more for if the market starts to fall, the margin calls are larger. using this factor. you talked about look year-over-year going 12 month averages, whatever you want to use, this environment we're in today is much different than 2,000 and 2007. back then the players were different. goldman sachs was not a bank, it was an investment bank. neil: hadn't been bailed out. >> so when you look at this number today, when i work with a lot of people with algorithms and trading models, this number today is not the same number prior to 2009 and it's going to send you a different message. neil: fair enough when a lot

of individuals are looking at borrowing to buy stock, i get the sense, and i could be wrong they're reading the headlines, following the news and saying i got to get in on this party though i don't have the money to party and that generally is a worrisome sign, you don't share that. >> is it something to keep an eye on? yes there are a lot of things, there's no silver bullet neil when trying to value stocks or follow the direction of the market. yeah, we want to look at. neil: if it's a sign the individual is following it normally it says time for the pros to get out? >> it could be it could be. you have to think of the backdrop. the fed said interest rates probably not going to happen until 2016, that says the market is going to continue to go higher. people will stay invested. i don't see pullback. neil: as i mentioned with lenore, climbed that wall of worry? >> absolutely the wall of worry. it reminds me of 1929. neil: were you around back

then? >> in 1929 before the crash the margin was a lot greater than today and the little guy got in. talked about 1921 after coming a recession to build up seven, eight years we could be peaking here. >> let me say something real quick. the percentage exchange when we see it explode, have you six to nine months. that's what predates the fall. neil: six to nine months from now? >> i didn't say that. neil: very good. why tesla going used may sava the electric car itself. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the ones with the guts to stand apart

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price range. that is until now. elon musk has just got a deal for you, he is pushing used teslas in what might strike some as a desperation move. i disagree and here's why. if he succeeds in expanding the base of buyers presently priced out of the high-end electric car market he and we could be looking at a whole new market. none of this means, in case you're getting worried i'm any more fan of cars that still won't go more than a couple hundred miles before they need a new charge but if musk can somehow make good on his promise to double the range capacity in the batteries in the very near future i'm telling you, these things might have a future. range anxiety is too real to put a dent in traditional vehicle sales, but musk is pouring a lot of money into building better batteries risking losing a lot of money selling used teslas. if he finagled and succeeds, it

might might take off. i might even buy one. all right, well don't go crazy here. tech watcher says tesla is making all the right moves. you like what you're hearing? >> i do, there's a lot of old cars on the road that's something most people don't think about much. there is over 50 million cars in the u.s. that were made before 1999. neil: are you kidding me? somewhere them are still operateing? >> still operating used cars of the future. neil: he can price used cars electric vehicles, the tes las, and make them a discerning possible choice, it could change the field a little bit. >> absolutely. i say in the next two years, a used tesla will be to you what a cadillac was to the grandfather. neil: really? >> they are priced at $70,000 estimated even in the used market, but yeah, it's something that potentially a lot more people -- you.

>> will get one on ebay for $35,000. unless they address this range anxiety, i don't see that changing. he succeeds in doubling the charge capacity, then it is a different game. >> yeah i think you and i agree there. neil: it's that serious. >> as we are wearing the apple watch. neil: this silly thing? wait a minute, i have to stand. >> he's talking about the people who want to try it out first that's who owns the tes lachlt people who want to pay a huge price premium on having something first. lowering the price and making it available and increasing the battery life. neil: do you look at them on the highway of a turnpike and pray they run out of juice and stuck on the side of the road in the $100,000 car. >> the current tesla group who are so neurotic that will never happen. neil: do you think his battery is closer than we think? >> certainly as we know from

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. neil: get ready for an emergency room emergency not despite obamacare, maybe because of it. a new survey showing patients who cannot get access to their doctor are going to the emergency room instead, particularly medicaid patients leading to longer wait times there. this is exactly what ohio congressman jim jordan feared in the beginning, that this

notion that emergency room waits would go away would prove just the opposite. unfortunately congressman, you have been borne out by, this now the supreme court is to shoot down the provisions later this summer the lines and waits are going to get longer, right? >> well, i mean, let's hope the supreme court says that obamacare is unconstitutional, and then we do what we should do, get rid of the law altogether. this thing has been a disaster. every statement the administration made about obamacare has turned out to be false. like you plan, keep the plan like the doctor, keep the doctor. premiums go down premiums go down $2500 per family. website is secure, that's six statements and the seventh one is emergency room visits go down, waits short and that is false, too. this underscores how bad a law this is, and if we get the right decision from the court

in the king v. burwell case we should focus on getting rid of the law and say this thing is bad now we know for sure let's replace it with a plan that is actually working. neil: if the supreme court were to do just that the administration and republicans brought this case and millions of people who got insurance are now without it. blame the republicans. i see how the game is played, and i wonder how you counter that and say you have an alternative plan a backup to help folks, but in the interim the president is going to let you roast on the spigot. >> it's republicans fault because we don't want to continue obamacare? how is that logic right? neil: i'm telling you, i've seen how the game is played. >> i understand they blame it on you guys and say this is why the poor millions of folks

who got coverage are without coverage. how do the republicans answer, what do they offer in the interim? >> you are right, the democrats say that we have to make the case why that plan is wrong why, it needs to go away and why our plan which empowers patients -- neil: won't change as long as barack obama is in the white house. >> i understand it's tough but remember what's the alternative? we fix obamacare? of course we don't want to do, that this thing is broken and can't be fixed. heritage foundation did a study 44% increase costs in people's premiums because of care care. so maybe if we get rid of it tell families, you could be paying 44% less for a plan in the market but for obamacare. let's get rid of the plan focus on empowering families and doctors and patients, that's a model that works not the washington focused model. so yea it's going to be a tough political debate tell me anything that is easy. neil: finally i want to bring

people back to the issue that it's a conundrum to a lot of folks the whole idea is when more people got coverage up until the coverage came along, you went to the emergency room to get care. you were guaranteed care. obamacare comes along you won't get crowds in the emergency room because they have coverage. just the opposite has happened. what happened? >> yeah, 30% increase, most of the people on medicaid and doctors don't want to treat medicaid, it doesn't pay the same reimbursement on a good plan. that's what's driving this up. most of the people aren't in the exchange and obamacare plan they are in medicaid. states have done this increased that population that's part of the problem. but it all comes from the affordable care act, driving up the cost for policies and driving up premium costs and getting inferior care and driving up visits to the emergency room. neil: very well explained. jim jordan republican from the state of ohio. i want you to meet the

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. neil: touche, that is a very good answer. they like you the coaching, the staff, are impressed by you, your stick-to-itiveness. how did it come to pass? you played in texas in college but this is just like an out-of-the blue thing, explain. >> yeah it was something i always wanted to do, i didn't play when i was younger and it just is several different circumstances that led to it not happening. i played a lot of other sports and it was a regret i had, i guess, and a little after 9/11 i was inspired to joint army, and when i was in iraq, actually at the age of 28, and decided if i don't go back to college, i'm never going to go so i did, and i thought if i'm

going to go to college i might as well try out for the football team. that's something i always wanted to do. and i put my mind to it and worked and worked and worked and didn't let any distraction get in my way and sacrificed a lot but ended up paying dividends. neil: i say. you are being very modest about it, nate. the fact is you know, many argue if anybody can do this, it's you. i'm looking at this and pay 4-year-old by who has a perfect snap record, that is next to impossible for a geezer like yourself and i'm quite a bit older than you, young man. >> probably not that much older. neil: how do you overcome the vice. we love him to death, he's a hero, he's done a lot for the country a good patriot. fans love him but 34? what do you say? >> i mean look if i'm the first one who cannot let that

statement affect me in anyway, you know age, it really is just a number in a lot of things, and i know your body obviously changes and all, that for the position i'm playing, other than kicker and punder it's probably the only thing that you can do at that level of football as a rookie. only 12, 15 snaps a game, a very specific skimp. -- specific skill. i have a lot of the mental toughness that the younger guys don't have. i have advantages, too. i have to focus on those, the things i can't control there's no reason dwelling on those like age and size and all that. it's not even a thought to me, i don't feel old, you know but you're right, i am. neil: you're not really. you could be my son. i wish you well. it's a great endearing and promising story. i think you're going to make it which means you should run

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guests. the tech trends before the rest of the world catches on. first up, is forget calorie counting, a smart plate that will do it for you. this is my worst nightmare. a plate that uses cameras and sensors to determine your dinner's nutritional value. to popular science's michael nunez on the latest tech for your taste buds.

mike how does it work? >> so this plate has three cameras and three scales, divided into three sections and connects to the internet and is able to read through 8,000 different items on the usda's database and able to tell you the nutritional content of the food. neil: that's beneath the plate? >> baked into the plate for lack of a better term, and so yeah, this just makes tracking your nutritional content and meals day in and day out a little easier. neil: so now, we're told when it does become available, 200 bucks a plate. >> yep that's right. neil: i say just go to the internet and look at it. >> well, you know, yeah, this is part of the internet of things movement. traditional plates aren't connected to the internet, this is. it's one of many things we're seeing. neil: i could fake this puppy out. i could put five slabs of prime rib and the whole thing would -- . >> i would say that's my kind

of meal as well. but i think if you're trying to track food, this is an easy way to do it and certainly not the end-all discussion to being healthy. neil: there are others that do variation of this. you think the technology itself might be promising? >> absolutely right. and the same vein as fitbit and other trackers, they have a watch to some of this stuff people want better insight into what they're eating and consuming, this is just another way to do that so to me it's nice to have that option. neil: okay in the meantime, shares of linkedin punished after a weak forecast, fine, right? it's as if it didn't even flash with executives. plans for a new headquarters sporting a movie theater and an nba-sized basketball court. they're still a go. mike, i would say they should focus on the bottom line and not working off their bottoms. >> this is one way to do that.

definitely a costly venture but this is going to allow them to recruit really talented people. don't forget they are competing -- neil: wait a minute. you're going to go to a company. i was going to go to google but they had a basketball court. >> you are definitely right about that. the basketball court isn't the most thrilling ammenity that's available. neil: they have lots of others. >> they do. exactly right. they have movie theaters, they're putting in a lot of -- neil: what is the movie theater? go to work! >> the idea is a seamless transition between work and play. neil: that's how silicon valley does things, right? >> exactly right. these aren't typical madison avenue offices they are campuses. they are small sized universitys. >> this is your generation, you do a little work, i'm going to play a little basketball. for all i know they have plates

to measure the food it. seems weird. >> i'm all for it. i think you should be comfortable where you work have fun and that brings out the best in people. neil: i don't trust fun. you think that linkedin -- are you on linkedin? >> of course. neil: i'll get things, you want to join me on linkedin, stop it. if you tell them no, then it starts a whole war. >> right, right. i try to keep myself engained, deeply embedded in the entire culture. linkedin is part of that and i pay attention to it. neil: it is a social business network that you all are -- it's all like -- >> that's right, certainly not my favorite, not as fun as twitter or facebook. neil: twitter is fun to you? >> very informative and fun, yeah. neil: okay. i told you he's a genius everything this guy said has come to pass. i'm there saying you know, the abacus, don't knock it. something you can really

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. neil: monkeys hippos and bears, oh my. laurie inheriting a long list of animals, her story featured on "strange inheritance" right after this show. but first she's kind enough to stop by and tell me how this whole thing changed her life. laurie, to bring people up to speed. your husband passes away, there you are with essentially all this wildlife explain. >> well yeah, it was quite overwhelming when he passed away. it just seemed like everything that he may have been involved in prior to us getting married

and then things started unraveling a bit, and then i just try to keep going and keep the sanctuary going. neil: all right, now, anyone else in that situation i know you love animals your late husband loved animals. i know his kids, the fear was, your fear was they would have sold this off or god knows what would have happened to the animals? now what are you trying to do? keep it running or are you too going to try to find zoos or other places for the animals or keep the wildlife sanctuary itself operating as your late husband wanted it? >> it became a dream of my own as well. yeah i'd like to keep the sanctuary going. as far as the animals going anywhere else it's like an animal nursing home retirement village for animals that have mental and physical. a lot of times they need to

have a safe haven to be able to live out the remaining part of their life and yeah, i would love to see it keep going, that's what i'm trying do. neil: i know in the first publicity when you popped up on fog you were getting an enormous response including wealthy benefactors. i know you can't reveal too much. what happened? >> it's been amazing. we have had so many generous donations. even grant foundations getting in contact with saying that they'd seen the program, and that the couple fell in love with us and wanted to help. and finding that there's a lot of folks out there that truly truly care about animals. neil: would you make this like a paid attraction? would you ever consider that or what? >> well it is a donation to get in being a not-for-profit. we have folks that donate funding when they come into see the animals. neil: but they don't have to

right? it's their call, right? >> right, right. exactly. >> go ahead. i guess now what i'm asking is this does well, and it looks like you completely reversed things, pretty good businesswoman, and you have. other people around the country are going to say hey, we should do the same thing. any words of advice? >> wow. you're married to something like this. it's beautiful being a part of it and seeing these beautiful animals there's always a lot of worry and know that there are no vacations, you don't have holidays you don't have holidays. but you know, if you truly believe in what you do definitely, it's worth taking that trip down the road and trying it. but it is a lot of work, it's always a lot of work and a lot of worry. neil: god bless you doing a lot of work and it's paid off for you. lauri, i thank you and i'm sure the animals thank you. just a reminder it is sharp

teeth week on "strange inheritance." so it and that theme continues right now. strangeinheritance.com. >> a sanctuary for exotic animals. >> how is his health? >> he's doing good. >> call of the wild. >> rescued by quite an odd duck himself. >> we use 26,000 pounds of chicken or beef every six weeks? jamie: what was his reputation. >> wild man. >> was he a guy who played by the rules? >> no. >> when he dies the authorities want to shut his heir down. >> he left you with a mess. >> he did. that's when the anger hit. >> will it cost his widow her "strange inheritance"? >> i didn't go through everything all those years to just give up. ♪