thanks for participating in our scientific poll. we appreciate you voting. coming up tomorrow, former national intelligence director john negroponte be with us. good night from new york. neil: all right now, before you start celebrating, oil prices dipping back under 60 bucks a barrel. do not assume it is a trend or lower gas prices are a trend or if lower gas prices are a trend consumer spending is going to take off. because if the folks at visa are right something is wrong, and they ain't exactly charged. even when gas prices were much lower, these are reports that folks were not opening up their wallets. most preferred saving the dough than spending the dough which makes me wonder what happened if gas prices go higher? to energy analyst nick lorez who says they will go higher. that is a worry nick how much

higher do you see them going? >> depends on a lot of variables obviously. there is increased demand when there is more summer driving for vacation time when the refineries are switching into expensive fuels, increases the prices. so it's always difficult to project future prices, i don't think we're going to see $4-5 gallon a gas any time soon there are a lot of competing variables that influence the price. neil: a dozen states will be raising their own state gas tax. your point is a good one. if gas prices go up, whether to $4 or not obviously that's going to put a pinch on spending, and we saw that pinch even when gas price were tumbling. so i cannot imagine that's a trend that reverses itself if prices aren't rising. >> you're right, the one silver lining that we have is that these oil producers didn't expect the price to bottom out as quickly as it did, they were drilling wells and stopped

completing them once the price fell so quickly. so we have the nearly completed wells where we can get oil back online in a much quicker manner than hopefully the increased supply will offset the rising demand and increasing pressures that we're going to face this summer. neil: do you think people are just so jaded that they don't think anything good lasts? it builds into their psychology when it comes to spending. i know you follow the industry closely. the part is we're getting a gift at the pump, i'm not buying it's going to last. and darn if they don't process me on that? >> absolutely. in the past prices have risen as quickly as they've fallen. and with tensions in the middle east, with a hurricane possibly you never know what can jack up prices in a matter of weeks or months. i think there is trepidation among consumers and drivers, this is too good to be lasting. and when you look at things that the administration has done, whether it's close off opportunities off the coast of

alaska. whether increased fracking regulations on federal land increased methane regulations putting burdens on the industry and increasing costs yeah, drivers are right to be skeptical it's going to last long. neil: on that upbeat note nick, thank you very much. so if gas prices are rising or could be, oil companies are cutting back and are, your largest engineering company for example is announcing another 4500 layoffs today. wilbur ross says here's the problem, the government cracking down on anything possible fuel related. affects lots of guys, us guys the whole economy guys. wilbur, good to have you back. not good news if this persists? >> a couple of things. the public did start buying big cars again when the oil prices drove down the gasoline price. it isn't quite true that the consumer didn't react. they did in the car side of things.

neil: all right, does that continue? in other words, when prices go up do they reverse that? what do they do? >> that's the $64 question, where is the break point? clearly at a $5 kind of a number, that's a lot of pain. neil: $5 a gallon? >> yeah it would be a lot of pain on people but they will have already bought some of the cars and do use more fushlgs so that's a permanent thing. neil: do you worry this is broader than just gas or oil? we're seeing the same effect on coal. coal, of course, the back drop for a lot of people's utility bills they just don't know that, that's going to translate into higher electric bills than the rest and it is going to have a pervasive effect? >> for sure. my guess is when oil went down to about 50 and you had natural gas going down as well that probably saved the average family $90 a month after tax. and that's huge when you think about people living payroll to payroll. but i think people still have

the remnants of the scare from the crash, and i think that's why they've been a little more cautious in many cases about putting it back out. neil: you know, you are very much big on the republican circuit everyone tries to that you left for money, support, that kind of thing, do any of the candidates right now, wilbur, because of the common theme you hear from them is the energy revolution going on in fracking and increased supply, to a man and even a woman they argue that we need to get keystone up and running. that that is going to be key to any big turn around we have? >> i don't think keystone would be particularly big because of a couple of things. number one, the canadian oil sands oil is very heavy oil, it's not light oil. the oil that comes from the bakken in the dakotas and comes from the permian and the other ones around texas and

louisiana mostly light oil. it's a different supply. it's a different refinery, and they tend to have different end use. neil: republicans are more interested in tapping that getting that than the democrats, traditionally. not across the board. who are the candidates that you see espouses those views the best? >> i don't think any of them has gotten to the point of differentiation on that issue so far. personally i think it's more important that we get to export oil than it is that we get to have the keystone pipeline. i think keystone would be nice, because it would give north american energy independence, and it also would stop adversely affecting our relationship with canada. and canada the failure to do keystone is a big, big deal. neil: they take great umbrage to it. any of the candidates interest you right now? >> well i think it comes down

to the three, to jeb bush to scott walker and to marco rubio. they seem to be the ones that are the front-runners at the moment. neil: but that could change. would you expand that crowd? >> it could very well expand. i'm surprised that governor christie hasn't caught on better than he seems to have so far. neil: what happened? >> i don't know. i can't say it's bridgegate. neil: maybe just bad governor-gate. >> maybe that. but he certainly has been struggling. and as you know, i was part of that original group. neil: i know. >> that wanted him to run the last time. neil: but you have your doubts now. >> not that i have doubts, it looks like voters have doubts. neil: that's new jersey. wilbur ross thank you very much. in the meantime, is yellen copying me? remember my market warnings. >> i hate to burst your bubble, but i think this is a bubble,

beware of stock in countries that run up too far, too fast and perfection seems too priced in. the whole market look like -- >> valuations are generally quite high. they're a potential dangers there. neil: that's kind of exactly what i said but it's janet yellen, everyone quotes her, it's like whoopdy do. we're on this. and fed chairman janet yellen is getting behind this fear that maybe the market's getting ahead of itself. to jim lecamp who says maybe they're getting ahead of themselves. >> there are bubbles being blown it's worse in the bond market than the stock market at moment. at the end of the day it won't matter, because if one comes down they both come down. look at what janet yellen and other central bank counterparts are doing.

they push interest rates down to all-time low levels in many cases they're at negative levels. neil: yeah, and it was an odd position to be in. i think the markets have gotten ahead of themselves. she created the environment, as did her predecessor, maybe precise reasons for what's happening now? >> exactly. look what happens when the bubble burst. when people figure out negative interest rates don't make sense to print a bond and buy the bond, that you're guaranteed to lose money on that may be why we are starting to see interest rates go up in europe and here in the united states. it could be the beginning of a bond bubble burst. and if that's the case then stock valuations are going to come down because interest rates are going to be going up, borrowing costs are going to go up. bond prices are going to come down it's going to hit the stock market. neil: i raise this with you, jim and feel compelled, to the wall of worry that we climb eventually that doesn't last,

but there have been many a bull doubtful as they are about the fundamentals, they don't fight the tape. what do you say? >> i would agree with that. there's a lot of dark clouds neil, but not quite raining in terms of the stock market. there are a lot of warning signs we're seeing the advance decline numbers start to deteriorate. we're starting to see leading groups start to perform poorly and we're starting to see defensive areas lead the market. those are little dark clouds and warning signs it's just not raining yet. i'm not telling people to go out and sell stocks right now. i'm saying we're not in the first inning of this probably 7 plus in terms of innings and starting to see signs that the game's about to be over. so be more alert and nimble, and you can't be complacent. neil: would you be in cash now? what are you recommending to your clients then quickly. >> this market is a stock pickers' market. if you have individual stocks in the portfolio, and you have weak sisters in, there it may

be time to call those. in terms of mutual funds as the market pushes higher raise a little bit of cash. i'm not telling everybody to go all-cash, i'm saying be more careful. neil: jim thank you very much, jim la camp. >> thanks, neil. neil: this guy is on a rampage, hillary is way out of hand. that's ralph nader who's just getting started. excellent looking below the surface, researching a hunch... and making a decision you are type e*. time for a change of menu. research and invest from any website.

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. neil: donald trump hasn't jumped in but jumping in on what carly fiorina says, when it was a shareholder revolt. >> it's not positive business experience she got fired. neil: if donald trump invited

out apprentice would you come? >> he asked me to guest host i declined. it san entertaining show but had nothing to do with real business. neil: oh! so this goes back aways. >> no she didn't. anyway, ralph nader says it's going to be a rough republican primary season but here's the thing about ralph, i like him because he's a fair and balanced attacker. he's hoping to go to the same type of fighting on the democratic side that it would be good for the party. ralph always good to have you. what do you see happening? bernie sanders in the race many argue he's all but enticing the likes of elizabeth warren and the others and just going to be progressive, you know, hate fest, what do you say? >> well, i think it won't be long for former governor martin o'malley gets in from maryland. jim webb is going to get in. neil: what about you? >> no. former governor of rhode island, chafee is going to get in.

you're going to have maybe 15, 20 republican candidates and they're all going to be going for their niche or particular regions of the country like huckabee has the language for the right wing voters in iowa the south and others. it's going to be very unpredictable very unpredictable. neil: on the democratic side this is interesting, downing hillary clinton should be challenged? that she is too moderate and whether it's o'malley or bernie sanders or elizabeth warren or chafee, that she needs to driven left? >> well i mean she's a dye in the wool corporate wall street militarist she's never met a weapons system or a war she doesn't like. neil: don't be vague how do you feel about her, come on speak up. >> she will notice change her rhetoric. she will talk a little more liberal. she'll talk a little more about domestic, and then bernie sanders and all the challenges will be asked right off, are

you going to support, are you going to endorse hillary if she's the nominee? that's going to neutralize a lot of the challenges to hillary if they say yes without saying let's wait and see. neil: now, i mentioned you quickly dismissed it. you have run for president. why not entertain a run? maybe you ran on the two-party system, you just don't think both parties are delivering the goods. why not join that race? you do walk the talk. >> well, you know as well as i do this is a two party tyranny country. the barriers to debate getting into debates the barriers to raising enough funds and the barriers getting on the ballot is more extremely difficult than any western country by a long margin. and so i have made that point. i've won lawsuits, i've written materials on it to try to educate the public that if they don't demand more voices and choices they're running into the ground again and again.

neil: why don't you work within the system as it is and then blow it up? in other words, if you ran as a democrat, and just you know i think within the party once people agree or disagree you're within the party you're a very popular figure might be polarizing to some but you would put up numbers i would imagine? >> you could run as a democrat bernie sanders is going to fit that bill. he has a good 12 point program. neil: really? >> yeah. neil: he's your candidate of the bunch so far? >> he's the one that reflects progressive positions in the senate, and mayor burlington but i think we need to mobilize people to demand more and participate more and vote more and get more candidates on local, state and national ballots. i mean i've just written this book, return to sender, written over 100 letters to george w. bush and obama, and never even acknowledged them. they're shutting out the public and the most democratic media

sending a letter to elected representative which can't be censored or distorted and they flick it off. have you ever written a letter to a president, by the way neil? neil: i have. >> you have? neil: i never got anything back. >> there you are. neil: if you're not getting anything -- your name is well-known i'm sure an italian anchor on a cable show is not going to get one back. >> they are turning their back on the people, when it comes to election time they sweet talk them, put ads on and go back as business as usual. this is a corporate government and we've got to turn around. i keep telling people it's a lot easier than we think if we exert a little effort, 1% and the congressional district is taking our country back, representing a majority opinion, left right convergence, you can make a lot of good changes politically, elect real and in terms of the economy, and the quality of livelihood of all americans. neil: fair enough people can agree and disagree you are

consistent and true to what you say. you haven't profited either, which is the great deal but, ralph nader. when we come back, did you hear about this? apparently called the dad bod, and it is the internet's hottest new trend. why putting the pounds on could be a great way to take the pressure off. i've been telling you this for years. one lady racks up a huge bill after being offered a free lunch. how a generous offer from one business can be a warning for every business, and by the way every taxpayer?

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does that remind you of anything? maybe the woman was within her right, running up the bill because someone else was going to pay the bill. ted applauds this woman, he's liberal because he applauds when someone else picks up the tab. that's how he rolls, it's a lesson to taxpayers. your point is we live in a country now where everyone wants more and more and more as long as they don't have to pay for it. >> this is social, moral chaos. every national international, she took advantage of the situation, but listen look at tom brady he's been on the news all day, apologizing, i didn't know i knew, i didn't know, a-rod he's still playing where is the accountability with the individuals? but this is a lesson learned for this garage audi garage. neil: they offered. they offered. they offered and so that is what it is. the bigger issue to me is that it's perfectly human and i

don't blame this woman at all, if someone offers you a free lunch go for, it i've taken big friends out, they are not fans of fox, liberal friends they are happy for lunch and desserts i'm wondering if this is illustrative of the way taxpayers think, i want all these benefits and programs i just don't want to be the one to pay for it. >> neil i don't think it is, i think we have a negative connotation of a used car dealer. kudos to her, and kudos for taking her mama with her. there are people who feel they're taken advantage of whether it's a car dealership or someone on who has a little extra because they have a little money. if we feel a shot to give it back to them, give it back to them. neil: you don't think there is a way you could extend this as a way in this country people are saying double the minimum

wage, you demand free college, and you are perfectly fine making the demands as long as you are not the one paying for it. >> the richest 1% are making the money. we haven't seen realtime wage increases in 21 years. neil: if you are not the one pick up the tab, of course you keep running up the tab, right? >> as a small businessman, i'm paying more taxes than corporate 500 companies. let's make it fair to have a chance to succeed. neil: what do you think of that? >> there are a lot of individuals who feel they are entitled. i totally get your point, and have you watched the walking dead by any chance. neil: no, but i think they're watching. >> people on their own trying to survive you trust them you bring them into your camp and they will take your food and you are dead before you know it. neil: and they come back again and again. >> absolutely. neil: how do you kill them? >> through the head. neil: through the head. not that we're wishing this

upon you. do you think, we can joke at this woman. everyone should have skin in the game in this country mitt romney got raked over the coals for and should have got raked over the coals, talking about the 47% who don't pay any taxes, that something is wrong in this country when nearly half don't pay federal income taxes. some for very good reason. i'm not saying the 35%, 39% everyone has skin in the game you will be very careful where the money goes, right? >> you will be careful about it we have to address it at both ends of the scale. people who don't have lobbyists to make special loopholes for themselves get the raw end of the stick. every now and again when you get to give it to somebody, you want to get all you can get. neil: fair enough. you are an addictive person which i admire. >> we need people with more skin in the game, they'll abuse the system. neil: i can imagine if i took chuck out, he wouldn't abuse it. >> we would go 50-50.

neil: and get the twistoff wine which tastes better to me. >> i like the wine in a box. neil: these guys are protesting for 50 bucks an hour. but what if i told you one city is planning to not only match it but raise it? the mayor of that city is here next.

. neil: you thought the protesters demanding 15 bucks an hour are pushing it. the california mayor topping it. emeryville democratic mayor ruth atkin wants to raise the city's minimum wage to $16 by 2019, more than double the federal minimum wage right now. mayor atkins says other cities and states should get on board. mayor good to have you. a lot of people hearing that saying that's a city i can't afford to be in. a lot of businesses might say

that. what do you tell them? >> well let me just explain the history behind this. we have a living wage ordinance that was passed in 2006, and what we want is a minimum wage that is actually a living wage so we worked with our small business community, and with the traft ordinance i got distributed a few meetings ago, they came back and gave us input. we have an ordinance that has two tiers. one is to recognize the particular needs of small businesses and a higher rate for large businesses. neil: so the large businesses are the 16 bucks, right? the small businesses are the what? >> the small businesses will start at $12.25 which is the same as other regional minimum wage amounts in the east bay area and in the bay area as a

whole. that meets what oakland is doing. neil: all right, they're perfectly fine with this and figure it's a pricier area and better get on board than not? what do they tell you? >> part offer collaboration is in the earlier draft we defined small businesses as 10 employees or fewer, and they came back and suggested 50 employees and what the city council gave them is 55 employees. so mostly that affects the food industry the cafes and restaurants in town, who have slim profit margins. neil: i'm wondering because if a lot of businesses that right now the minimum wage is $7.25 that's a big leap for a lot of businesses if they attract new businesses and they know that in advance, the minimum wage is $5 if they have dreams of

getting bigger it's going to be more significant than that. what would make them want to go to your city? >> because it's the bay area, and we have a high-cost of living, and it's an attractive place to do business nonetheless. emeryville is the hub of innovation. neil: there are other communities saying we're well worth the cost too

the council . neil: about $16 an hour, try $300 billion a year because that is how much the government spent on expired programs according to a report, former republican governor mike leavitt the only not running for president of the united states so far. we catch up with him before he presumably announces. always good to have you. >> thank you, neil. neil: what is going on here that is a lot of money to dribble away. >> put emphasis on the word big. government is big, and congress will pass a lot of statutes in any given year and i think the bureaucracy is slow in reading

them, interpreting them and changing the system, so it's like a giant flywheel that continues to roll forward. neil: how did it get to that big a number? >> no one could justify that no one could be anything but horrified by, it but the reality is that's what happens. and sometime it's a deficit in systems sometimes it's a deficit in attention, other times it's simply neglect. >> i think it's government accountability, a lifelong cause of yours when the numbers get so big sir, what happens is the waste gets bigger, if you assume 10-15% is frittered away, and the numbers are bigger and bigger, too. >> that's the reason to start with the word big, in my mind it's the reason having things controlled in washington through federal systems is not an efficient way to run government. neil: the republicans talk about reining that in governor the rap is they're heartless how should

republicans frame that without looking like we're the party of no, the party of anti-helping the little guy. how do you frame that. >> not whether or not there's a need for the service. the federal government is inefficient and will always be less efficient in my judgment than local government where there is accountability that you have spoken of. those systems don't go unchanged for a long time when they are shifted there. those things are not neglected because somebody is looking over them. somebody has accountability for a budget. neil: there is nothing that makes this number get customarily. expired programs that keep living on like you know, night of the living dead, you know? >> i'm not arguing that point. in the long run to change, that we ought to change our mind-set away from simply having the federal government do everything and begin to move more and more services and more accountability to the local level where there is a greater

degree of trust and accountability. >> i think we need to change our lexicon too, governor we talk about cuts and slicing, that's the growth of a lot of programs, yet we call it a cut. >> i would make the point. i have served at the federal and the state level. neil: right. >> and a cut in a state is reduction in spending. at the federal level it's a reduction in the growth rate. neil: well put, governor, thank you very much, in case you run for president come back and let us know. >> you will be the first to know, neil. neil: governor levitt, thank you. in the meantime he's got some balls. i could not help myself this whole deflategate, the puns and analogies keep coming and coming and coming. why tom brady maybe the one who gets the last laugh? >> this is a good lesson for kids kids if you cheat if you don't play fair you'll be the mvp of the super bowl and marry one of the most beautiful women on earth. remember that!

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. >> i have no knowledge of anything i have no knowledge of any wrongdoing of anything. >> nobody did anything wrong? >> i am very comfortable saying that. neil: that is the first clue, when he wore the stupid hat. the nfl is not buying it. i wasn't then, tom brady is most likely saying, well, at least they say, he did know about the football being deflated. but what are they going to do about it? joe piscopo says probably nothing because cheater always win, what do you think? >> leave him alone. he didn't kill anybody. and it's the nfl. there's murder there's domestic violence, there's drugs deflated footballs, let it go! i think they should run with this! it's a money making device for the nfl. they should have anabolic steroids in gatorade. to heck with it. cork in the bats cut the baseball. vaseline. neil: they are talking about suspended fair couple of games?

>> such a big business think of the billions of dollars, it's a game. we're fighting terrorists around the world neil who cares. neil: we can't let the deflaters win. >> you're right. i jest, i jest, as a father it is so hard to tell my kid, my 12-year-old kid, you are watching jameis winston it's so vial they are so vial some of the players they are drafted, it's not a problem if they're going to keep brian williams off of nbc, they got to get tom brady suspended a little bit. neil: it's true he lied tloo their. >> you could see him lying during the press conference. >> i didn't, i couldn't get past the hat. a lot of sports fans they don't care right? and other football players, saying 30, 32 quarterbacks, they probably do stuff like, this i don't know if it's true. much ado about nothing?

>> i think it's much to do about nothing, and i don't think they should have brought it up. neil: you mind that we rays that as an opening issue for you? >> it's great, too. and it's tough. it's worse, it's worse when there is domestic violence and there are serious drug problems. neil: you are right about that. there is a pecking order of trouble. >> i think tom brady should be suspended for having such a beautiful wife. that irritates all of us. neil: extremely unfair. she always has fans around her just blowing. finally a trend for me this one i like, and it's called the dad bod trend. >> oh, boy. >> the internet's latest fascination with the male mid life body. ladies some of us gain a few pounds along the way. they all can't keep within 100 pounds of wedding weight like i did. apparently it is meant to ease pressure on dads who feel guilty they don't look like this sometimes within minutes

after their wedding. what do you make of this joe that this is very humanizing sort of like the dove campaign was for not so stunning victoria's secret women, and fair is fair. >> i love it love it. not only worry about a dad's bod but old dad's bods. neil: you are in good shape my friend. what's worse about the guys is they have a foggedout face. the body is there but the face. it's creepy. >> when i go to my kid's school, the fathers are 20 year younger. i struggle to stay in shape. i don't have to worry about it anymore. i'm a dad bod and an old dad bod. neil: you notice a trend, they want a more realistic barbie. >> that's great though. neil: this is the sort of way. i never see the campaigns going far. >> you think that's it just for today it will end. neil: i do i think it doesn't last long.

>> remember abercrombie & fitch abercrombie was great ship fitch, not so much. neil: right. >> and when i see the girl in model magazines and i worry about my daughters, that was a real issue because look what they think they have to look like this and starve themselves, and that was terrible and wrong. this is great. guys, go for, it beer i'm going to get a beer and pizza after the show. neil: that's what i admire women they are not as shallow as us they respect us clearly for our brains. >> that's it! don't worry about it. dad bod, who came up with it? a girl came up with it this mackenzie girl. neil: was it actually abercrombie. >> not fitch? neil: joe piscopo, he is a brand in new jersey. he can run for any office if he wanted to. >> with this bod as well. neil: pretty much pretty much. getting caught cheating on taxes and not getting fired for it. not at your company. at the irs! i have a wandering eye.

i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you... or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment. real mature. so you wanna get out of here? go national. go like a pro.

ts own. even if some of its own workers cheat on their taxes forget firing them. according to inspector general report, the irs promoted more than 100 of them! it is not only taxing but infuriating. i still can't believe this stuff goes on after everything the irs dealt with you think they would be squeaky-clean to avoid anything. >> some of the stuff on the list like they're claiming homebuyers tax credits, even though they did not buy a home. that's not a mistake. you know whether or not you bought a home. there's no explaining that. this is blatant. it's not just incompetence it's dishonesty we're better than you, do what we want and don't have to pay the consequences. neil: what's more amazing to me not that this stuff happens

in organizations because it does, but their higher-ups don't punish them. 100 promote and get more money and a lot more money. >> right, it doesn't matter, there is no incentive to do something difficult like fire one of the irs buddies i don't know what the culture is like in there. but yeah -- >> yeah, we interrupt her to say this is only her opinion of the irs, you are doing a great job continue. >> if it was a business or any other job, you would not want dishonest cheating employees we're going to be able to do the same stuff, whether there's honest people. >> there's a brilliant point. they're sticking it back at us to say you can rant all you want about targeting conservatives or getting too abusive or spying you on we're going to up the ante and keep doing this. >> exactly, there are laws saying if you cheat and work for the irs, you can be fired.

they say there are extenuating circumstances which you can throw that at anything right, the circumstances could be i kind of like this guy want to fire this guy. neil: maybe they're saying personnel and staff is down, been talking a lot about that, and you know they're not in a position to get rid of workers because they need all they can get. >> if things that are tough, you don't want people who cheat to work there. neil: katherine thank you, young and very wise. katherine timpf, good seeing you. >> thank you. neil: this kind of stuff happens so often. which is why we've decided to devote our whole show tomorrow night to this issue. to how we get that trust back by first examining how it is facing the government in the markets and the economy and the institution of marriage itself among young people has tumbled so far and so fast. tomorrow, we're going to begin to try to put it all back. trust me you don't want to

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. neil: all right, well he may be out for your burgers, but watch your kids! mcdonald's relaunching its famed hamburglar, but many say this new creepy version is doing more harm. look at this dude! really? all right, mark, you're not loving it right? what do you think? >> look three days ago, ceo steve easter brook had a huge announcement, we are going to remake this company. and two days later had the announcement for the sirloin

third pound burger and renamed it. this is the burger from down the street. everybody was asking for you. tell everybody he says hello. when is he going to try the newburgher. neil: i can see food getting new, fresh bring back the hamburglar. >> it's changing what we know, the hamburglar was a weird looking fat faced kid. neil: the term is calorically challenged. now he looks like charlie gasparino. neil: he does! that is gasparino, actually. >> he looks creepy. neil: that's the old one. the new one now gasparino dressed up, you're right. you're right, little green hornet too. and looks like he's stepping out of a white van or something. so the company says -- >> you are so right.

neil: put the mask on gaspo you are so right. this is a suburban dad. >> who goes to the dark side because of the release of the sirloin burger. it's a suburban dad. neil: so you like that? >> as a suburban dad, i am insulted and expect an apology from mcdonald's on behalf of all suburban dads. this is a depiction of all suburban dads? it's creepy, weird, this is the creepiest looking lam burglar. neil: you are running this huge food conglomerate, what would you do? >> steve easterbrook said we're going to slash the management, focus on customers and the food. they haven't started yet. scrap the hamburglar this is a silly idea not going to sell more hamburgers focus on the core principles the quality of food focus on communications to millennials before. they've got to listen a lot more to customers. neil: i say double down on the bad stuff. get rid of the salads and

healthy stuff. double up on the chemicals. >> burgers and fries, come on on! >> go back to what got you to the dance. the others are eating your lunch. >> they've tried to be something else. for years have tried to do something else. they have a pilot in australia for the healthy mcdonald's, right? they've got to stop, burgers fries shakes, start with that. neil: the store within a store what is the food maker that said let me put a store in a store and the sales will soar. >> have you ever bought a salad at mcdonald's? neil: never bought a salad period. i understand it's lettuce and a big draw. >> they are trying to do too many things to too many people and the company and ceo has got to stop with the silliness, the remake with a character. neil: i think they're trying to bring kids back in. >> my extensive scientific research speaking to two people down the hall.

one was a millennial who said they're trying to be fun. they've got to make changes with their food start with the menu. neil: that will do, it see if all of this works. see you tomorrow.l in for neil cavuto thank you for watching. >> deep in the swamps of central florida. >> we have a couple,000 alligators. -- a couple hundred crocodiles. >> lurks one "strange inheritance." >> my ideal all along was that i could build something that i could pass down to my family. >> always in the back of your mind? >> always. jamie: can we name this one jamie? >> absolutely. >> passing down an enterprise like this can be trecherrous. >> we might have to hit the road. >> it might be soldout from under us. >> it is risky business. >> what happened to your finger? >> a correct deal bit it off -- crocodile bit it