20 years ago has the customers been in the purchases. you'll match free sports on espn. up 15%. >> if you want to see a real fight, it's up next. keep watching. long before that cartoon contest, this would-be killer was over twitter, leaving many to wonder why he wasn't already behind bars. welcome. the fbi says it knew about elton simpson and warned garland, texas, police about him. tweets against americans and hooking up with isis aren't enough to take the guys down right away what is? we're also joined by ben stein, and julie and martin. jerry, this is nuts. we have these guys. we know they're out there and know the potential nemesis to

society. >> the conventional wisdom is it's easy to follow social media, but once you do that and you're rigorous about it these people will go somewhere else. >> the fact is he didn't go anywhere else. he was there. he was ranting and raving all the way up to the moment he took out the ns. and we msed it. >>why? >>e're not payg eugh tentn. yo kno wha t rl proem is? theoverent isn goot chnogy. d y nice how long it took us to get health care.gov up? the nuclear arsenal is managed by floppy disks. we're not good at it. >> what i think what we're not good at is communication. before 9/11 we had a lot of information, a lot of people saw things and said things that got lost in the sauce. one agency didn't speak to another. feels like the information is >> i think jerry nailed it. it's hard to think, aside from the front line soldiers, fbi and cia men and women, what we are good at in the government is

long on dimes. when we felt we had a government that's tipped off. i know from a conversation i had with richard helms, former head of the cia long long ago, that the cia and the days of telephone calls, before there was internet was able to pick up certain phrases even in russian, which gave them warnings about things to come. surely that is not beyond the reach now. if the nsa can't do it contract it to apple or ibm. >> charlie, you know a lot of guys in law enforcement. again, i think the information is there. what i don't understand is the connection of these dots and why we continue to allow them to get away. the guy is a gyro chopper. same deal. >> i'll kind of defend the fbi and nsa by saying it's a needle in the hay stack. this stuff is all over the internet there's about one million of these guys they have to sift through. we don't hear of all the attacks

that they thwart. they actually do a decent job. we hear about the ones they don't. by the way, the ones they don't turn out to be deadly. we know that. that's the burden they have. my problem with law enforcement, the men and women are the front lines are pretty good. they catch a lot of the guys. we should point out the fbi did inform the garland police department this guy was a menace and probably going to do something at this, whatever -- with all the artists. we should point out they also have ridiculous priorities. they spend millions upon millions of dollars on insider trading and other ridiculous financial crimes. it has nothing to do with the financial crisis. it could have been diverted money to terrorism. >> we spent 50 million to get berry bonds in prison. >> it's terrible. i get the point about privacy and freedom of expression but

in so many of these cases, these guys or gals hide in the weeds and then they have this blowup or outburst on twitter, facebook youtube. we don't do anything about it. the point is bad that the government is bad at technology. i agree. the track record speaks for itself. but the companies that provide the platforms have a responsibility to help the government. work with the government to keep these terrorists these organizations down and off social media. they aren't doing a good job of working together. >> great point. i want to play a sound bite from the u.s. attorney general lor loretta lynch. we know what's going on. twitter probably should have known also. listen to what she has to say. >> we're using all the tools available to us to determine how social media is being used. but, as always we have to balance that with the every individual's right to free

speech with privacy rights. those are very, very important concerns. >> julie, we have rights to free speech to privacy rights. when you put it on twitter, you're sharing it with the world. if you're telling someone, i can't wait to hook up with isis and kill a few americans, that sends off a red flag. >> that's the question. where is the fine line? >> as a citizen, what do you think? >> as a citizen, i say, hey, i love isis. isis is the best thing i've seen in my life. i should be able to say it. >> charles -- >> it's my right to free speech. what pamela geller stands for is repulsive. she has to right to say it. i think saying -- let me finish. i think there is no right to is to say, i love isis so much that tomorrow i'm going to go to charles paint's house and kill him. that's the line. >> do you have a right to shout fire in the crowded movie theater? >> you trampling people.

that's different. >> do you have a right -- and this is the gray area -- do you have a right to say, i support a group that avows to kill people? >> how do i support them? >> wait. there's a different. >> let me answer the question. >> then we'll bring in the rest. >> do i materially support them? by going to yemen? >> materially? >> there's a difference. wait a second. >> julie, they all start with vengeance. >> would you have arrested every member of the cueku klux klan or just the people -- >> it may have not gotten that big. >> go ahead, scott. >> i would. >> charles? >> it's against the first amendment, i think. >> what should people accept if you put something like julie noted on social media, you'll at least be investigated or persecuted. everybody seems to be so scared that oh if somebody puts

something like that up, we can't go after these people until they act on these intentions! come >> come on. >> ben, i've been watching your facial expressions on the side. what do you have to say about this? >> well i'm horrified that julie loves isis. i wouldn't have expected that of a liberal democrat. >> such a sweet girl. >> i'll see you later. i'm off to syria. >> we have to go with it. at a certain point, what we learned in law school is you have free speech to the point you endanger other people's lives. if they're saying we're going to kill people in the name of isis of course they should be watched. >> agreed. until that point, they can express their opinion. no matter how repulsive. >> back to the original premise of what we're talking about. someone goes on twitter and say, i want to join isis. death to america. where does law enforcement step in? >> it begins there.

>> we keep dropping the ball though jerry. that's the problem. >> we do drop the ball. i have to tell you, what's legal and there's what makes common sense. the folks who put on the art display, it wasn't common sense. >> you're not saying they deserve what they got? >> i think that if you say death to america -- >> i'm talking about the people that put on the art exhibit. >> no no no. i'm not saying they deserve what they got. >> okay. >> but you are inviting trouble by doing that. some people just want to be controversial and get out there. >> listen i want to go back to you real quick. wrap this up. we need to understand and later on in the business block, another show go into deep discussion on how much responsibility was the art contest itself. ben, before we end this segment, help us out. this is serious. i think it's amazing these people put stuff on the social media. they put it out there every single day, yelling to the world, i'm a potential criminal.

i want to hurt other people. law enforcement has to find a way to zero in on these guys. >> law enforcement does it. twitter has a right and duty all these social media sites are making billions. they have a duty to behave responsibility responsibly and help the government. alert the authorities immediately. they have a responsibility. >> guys let's leave it there. forbes on fox is just about ready to go. david, what's coming up? >> hi charles. the president's next executive action may be to close gimo down. some say it will cause terrorist attacks to go up. fema funds come to the rescue unless your state is not with the climate change agenda? we'll explain at the top of the hour. >> we'll be watching. first, baltimore asking the government to pour more help.iew a

former astronaut. now back to business. i think you all know that i've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the english language are, i'm from the government and i'm here to help. >> i don't think baltimore is listening. baltimore's mayor just asking the federal government for more help. in a new report showing that one in five jobs in baltimore are government jobs. most of the job growth is in government jobs. government is a problem, not the

solution. ben? >> well i wouldn't say it's not necessarily the problem, but it's definitely not the solution. i have a very good idea for federal government money to be spent in baltimore. investigate whether marilyn mosby violated the civil rights of the six officers by rushing the indictments. especially about murder when there was no evidence of murder and whether or not the man they arrested had a switchblade knife. there's no question that government jobs don't have a clear effect on ridding a city or neighborhood of crime. >> i'm hoping the jury decision at the end of the day will decide that matter ben. i want to ask, you're in chicago, another town with a lot of government spending. you just had an election where the two guys out lefted each other with more government spending. as it worked there? why will it ever work? >> no. it's been really a slippery

slope. i feel as deflaetted as the new england's patriots saying this but it's going to get worse. we've had democratic mayors here for some time and they've worked to play nice with the unions very nice with the pensions and have risen taxes and driven out business. when you have this assistance when you have this government involvement, you're limiting upward mobility of the private sector. you start seeing the money in the brains drive away. it continues to feed the fire. that's going on in chicago, baltimore. it happened in detroit. it's going to happen to other cities. >> charlie, that was a knee jerk reaction from the president on down. all the elected officials. these guys need more money. >> i would say this. be more specific here. government is not the problem, liberalism is the problem. people like julie own baltimore. the policies have failed. go down the line. how much money they spend on schools. how much government assistance people receive. where the private sector is

versus the government in baltimore, a city that has been in trouble for many years. new york city was going that way. guess who came in and saved us? rudy giuliani. a lot of cities fail because of one reason liberalism. >> let julie defend herself. >> i love this. i disagree charlie, despite the fact that i don't know baltimore all that well. i think there is a problem with urban cities in general. >> government spending -- >> made something better but hasn't helped other things. >> more money. >> no, not more money. >> no no. it's a euphemism for criminal justice reform. euphemism for incentivizing companies to not just hire people -- i'm sorry? >> hold on guys. >> julie, they've been saying that since the day -- >> they haven't been saying that. >> we were just talking about

this. since the war on poverty, i don't care what number you want to use, $5 trillion, $11 trillion all the money has been poured into this. it's not just urban cities. lbj kicked off the war on poverty with a walk through appalachia. >> it doesn't make a difference if you want to get up and out, you have to leave. the communities, there's no fixing them. there's no amount of government money. >> there is fixing them. >> nothing is going to make them better. >> policy changes. >> julie wants you to leave there's no fixing them. >> i said you can fix them. >> if you -- >> what are you talking about? >> the way to fix urban cities urban areas, no urban -- no such thing as an urban city. >> excuse the fact i use that differently. >> your way of fixing them is more of the same. >> no. >> they want you to believe the situation is so dire. >> she likes isis. >> that's true. >> all right, guys. >> you want to talk more -- i'll

tell you what i believe. >> ben, you and i talked about this on the show. you and i both agree, i think, the government idea just actually sets back the situation instead of helping. there are solutions, right, ben? >> we want people to be independent. we want there to be -- i'm sure julie disagrees -- wants there to be a spiritual solution. the churches hold them together. the churches preach about people being responsible. god bless you. >> thank you. go with god, my friend. >> i think that will work. that's the only thing that will work. >> it's not the only thing that will work. >> one last word from scott. >> all right. >> we have historical data that proves all this. it'sless government not more that works. look at the overall output of the u.s. economy. it's bigger and better when there's less government. same thing with individual cities. >> said the same thing in the uk. resounding victory for capitalism.

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sell cars get college. chrysler following starbucks lead in offering dealership workers free tuition. jerry says more proof the private market can fix soaring college costs and the government should just butt out. >> that's right, my friend. so you have a choice in your life. you can either go to work at a chrysler dealership or maybe even starbucks, or you can graduate four years later with

$33,000 debt. which one do you want? who's doing the better job? is it the federal government the d.o.e. or private sector? why are they doing this? at chrysler it's because at dealerships they're not getting the people they want to work at those dealerships. so they're home growing -- >> you would call this a free market solution. >> it's a free market solution. >> you like it julie? >> i like it. but i wish more companies were doing it. you can't rely on private industry to do what's best for you. i mean you have to rely on yourself. and in some ways you have to rely on government to get pell grants and other ways to afford college otherwise you're not going to go to college and your income over your lifetime would not be what -- >> it's not enough to pay the tab. >> it's not but maybe be enough for people to afford to do it in public colleges and other places. >> ben, you like this idea? >> i love the idea. i think it's successful companies helping employees in any way they can. but i will tell you this government scholarship thing is

a scam of scams. it's going to result in a gigantic bubble. people are getting these gifts and grants and loans in order to buy cars in order to buy flat screen tvs. this whole thing is a scam. although of course i applaud education, but government help is a scam. >> we know loan tuitions $1.3 trillion $800 billion of that on the taxpayer shoulder and growing every day. >> that's what i'm saying. it's insane. >> scott, can the private sector come in enough maybe to even curb the rate of tuition growth? because over the last decade or so it's been outpacing inflation by a mile. >> by a long shot. a good country mile. and that's obviously due to government involvement. yes, you know the private sector could help create some maybe healthy competition. if you're that business it's kind of a win-win, right? you're getting the dedicated employee that wants to get more education. if you're in college you're giving somebody that's been in the work force and that's great. the usa is standing and global education is sliding precipitously. i think it's a great thing.

>> you like that? >> i wish they would send the kids to favor college or something like that. my point look at the -- [ laughter ] >> you sound very elitist right now, charlie. a college -- you went to a small school. why are you dissing schools. >> i went to pace university. went to the university of missouri for my graduate degree in journalism. and i saved and everything and i did have some government assistance. my only point is this i can't -- i can't believe i cracked up ben this much. anyway look at the colleges they're sending them to. they're not exactly sending them to state university of new york. >> you know what though -- >> double secret -- charlie, going to put you on double secret probation for that. >> oh no. bottom line it is a step in the right direction. i guess that was "animal house" you guys were referring to. >> by the way, our thanks to

charlie, jerry and julie for joining us this week. we really appreciate it. you know more parents are helping their adult children out financially. so this mother's day weekend our pros have stock picks that could help everyone out.

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ben. >> i just want to go with spdr best index over a long period of time. l right now. the cost of freedom continues with david. with new terror fears gripping the nation the white house saying the president is ready to pick up his executive pen to close gitmo down. [ inaudible question ] >> the president has indicated a willingness to use as much of his executive authority as he can to try to take the steps that he believes are consistent with the national security interests of the united states. and that's closing the prison at guantanamo bay. >> some say here that would be a costly mistake. are they right? hi everybody.