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good idea. let them loose. coming up tomorrow, former ambassador to the u.n. john bolton. good night. neil: out of all the republicans promise, they will, will, will not tax us down and rite of passage proving to the right they will cut taxes the most. welcome, everybody i'm neil cavuto. and apparently size does matter, when it comes to republicans running for president, they're tripping over each other arguing who has the biggest tax cut. kind of in the eye of the beholder. let me review. chris christie the latest to say top corporate tax rate 25%, top personal rate of 28% gets him noticed. rand paul early on favoring a single flat tax at 17%. marco rubio says a simplified tax code would take the top rate down to 35% but do away
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with any investment related taxes. but while the devil may be in the details you get the big picture. the grand ol' party is about revisiting grand ol' gipper size tax cuts. forget whose cuts are bigger focus whether this will prove a winning strategy. to the doctor of all things politics. larry sabado former home depot and chrysler ceo, you say this is an issue that does interest the business community and great differentiator for republicans in general. they're for cutting taxes and the democrats are for increasing spends, you like what you hear out of these guys? >> definitely in favor of restructure of corporate tax so we get a level playing field in a global market today. that's very important. we need to come up with a fair and equitable repatriation program for corporate america. i think the individual tax rate certainly should have a hard
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look at. i don't think any of this is simple, but i think there are a lot of experts, hopefully washington calls in some of the service providers like ey that know a lot more about tax and tax structure they serve over a majority of the fortune 500 company in doing taxes and audits. so i think, i think as a platform it's perfect. i hope they don't beat up each other too soon in the primary. neil: that's going to happen, i think that's going to happen. larry knows that better than we do. larry i think big changes in the tax code or changes in taxes period come after a landslide election, one way or the other. we saw very big action after ronald reagan's landslide big action for big government after fdr. whoever wins it if republicans want the big tax cuts it's going to take someone who wins big. do you agree with that? >> neil they'll need two things. one, they have to make it a big part of the platform during the campaign.
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so that no one can say it was hidden after the election, and second -- >> who would want to hike a tax cut. wouldn't you want to put that front and center? >> you'd think so, it plays better in the republican primaries than it would necessarily in the general election. in the general election you're kind of pushed and you're going to have a lot of people saying, well, that's fine but how are you going to fill the revenue gap that's created by these tax cuts. you get into the old debate whether tax cuts raise additional revenue so you don't have to cut spending. neil: or that republicans get the rap for disproportionately benefitting the well to do? >> disproportionately benefitting the rich and something changed since reagan. we have a $17 trillion national debt. we can't afford to add anything on top. so the parallel question becomes what are you going to cut, and don't give us the old line about waste fraud and abuse. >> i hear you.
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>> what specifically are you going to cut? >> one of the most intriguing elements in this tax cut to date, bob, has been i think something governor chris christie put forward. a way to bring $2 trillion that the companies hold offshore, by taxing 8 1/2 8.75%. that would bring a way to bring all the money here get to work here, do whatever here. he's the only one i can see of these guys who has proposed an incentive to bring it back? >> i think corporate america would be very interested in anything whether it's a 7, 8%, you know fee to repatriate the money, if there's something tied directly towards job creation tied directly to capital redeployment. corporate america will be very much in favor of that number one, neil. number two the hole people talk about would be created by tax cuts can easily be filled.
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for example let's not let the energy industry which we got dangerously close to independence, we're down about a thousand rigs. look at the revenue, 60, 70 billion dollars in taxes being deployed. losing 95,000 a year for someone working on it. let's work on the u.s. economy at 2/10 gdp, forget the tax cut. that's going create a hole for us. neil: it is interesting when you think about it, you mention history and the difference between ronald reagan now versus the debt and the problems now, but i don't know any of these guys, and maybe they can surprise me, and i include carly fiorina in the group, to advocate pers sayively as ronald reagan did at the time for a big tax cut, across-the-board cuts that stimulate the economy. i'm old enough to remember there are many who argued at the "wall street journal," a bit reckless a bit overdone could go too far.
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who was that gang that you see is articulating it in a way that is close to reaganesque? >> well actually several of them are talking about substantial tax cuts christie and paul and rubio among them, and i'm sure others will join. neil: right. >> look this is where your debate comes in neil, on august 6th. fox's debate with the republican contenders. now i don't know how you're going to organize it with this many people running. neil: we've ironed it out, we invite them all, they say hi their name and wrap it up. >> no rebuttals. neil: no opening statements. >> a debate on, this neil. we need to have those three candidates and others who propose tax plans have a vigorous debate and show us what the plusses and minuses of these plans actually are. neil: very good point. you think we're going to see that? hear that? >> i hope so. i hope they focus on the issues in the platform and not spend a
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lot of time beating each other up in the primary and creating issues for the other side. neil: they always overcome the fight george bush senior said voodoo expects to ronald reagan and reagan chose him as his running mate. you never know. larry until our next bet, i'll let you go. i'm like 0 in 5 in bets with larry sabato. a new report that says new regulations are costing businesses almost 2 trillion that is trillion with a t, you can believe that? american bankers association ceo and former governor frank keating says far too many of the regulations way unnecessary. obviously it's good to have you again, governor. they came with good intentions, but i wonder when a new regulation came in like i am with the ties many advocate take them all out, neil why do
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we just pile on the regulations? what do you say? >> neil we have a federal system of government, there are 50 states. there are some states that say the only thing you can be forced to do is what the legislature forces you to do, there is no such thing as unlimited regulation. in the united states, in the congress we've moved in the opposite direction, congress wants to write a general bill and let the regulators determine the specifics. the regulators frequently neil, as you well might imagine have no clue what it is that the congress wanted done. if they want for example to go an economy than burdening the banking industry, which i have the honor of representing by thousands of pages of regulation, dodd-frank alone is over 8,000 pages of regulation and the average community bank has 35 employees. how do you read all this. neil: congress throws this out there. multiple agencies feel they have to weigh in on this.
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if it's an environmental issue the epa has to raise in, and a security issue that overlaps homeland security it gets to be a mess is there any mechanism where they say, all right this will be under the purview of the small business administration, whatever, it seems that everyone adds to it by fine-tuning rules from their respective agencies on one regulation. >> i've been on the senior level at three cabinet departments and i worked for ronald reagan in two of the cabinet departments. the practice in the past was to submit to omb, the regulations that you propose and let them scale them back or massage them. i assume that's the way it's done today. unfortunately people in the congress don't want to take the time to figure out what the statute should mean and say, and the same thing with regulatory communities depending on the administration. a lot of people like
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regulation, they think it's good trt public. neil: what's dangerous governor you were ahead of the curve when they feel they can prove their worth in congress by how much they did or how many regulations they you into the law. that is a sense of their worth and a mixed up way to do it? >> congress should review that. you want to be sure the vacuum isn't filled with bad stuff. neil: governor always a pleasure. >> thanks. neil: is the president sexist for calling liz, well, liz. >> when you talk to elizabeth elizabeth is a politician like everybody else. neil: one feminist group is angry about that. really? really. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic why pause to take a pill?
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. neil: you know it could be enough to make liberal lawmakers sick forcing them to eat their own health care pudding. it goes like, this signed onto obamacare, they have to sign up for obamacare. imagine that. louisiana republican senator david vitter says it's fear, he's running into a fair amount resistance. it's a great idea. they voted for this and got to sign onto this as well. what kind of reaction are you getting? . >> not a great reaction from lawmakers who would be affected. certainly the american people support the idea. neil: that would include you? you didn't vote for this obviously what are you going to do? >> no, i am on the obamacare exchange and i passed on this lucrative taxpayer-funded subsidy that other members are getting. i'm not accepting that. neil: but you are part of the affordable care act. >> correct. neil: okay go ahead. >> yeah, this is important number one because of basic fairness. what washington passes on the
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rest of the country should have to live with itself. number two because when you make the chef eat his own cooking, usually the cooking gets better in a hurry. a very practical issue at hand as well. neil: you know i'm wondering, though, normally when i don't see the chef eat his own cooking or the chef says i wouldn't order that one, neil i'm very nervous. >> right. neil: this whole thing leads me to doubt how affordable the affordable care act is, how delicious it is supposed to be. all of the problems and run scombrins premium hikes, the administration said otherwise as if we should be grateful for low double digit increases and all that. what do you make of that and whether even those who would sign on have serious doubts? why can't they be honest, we have to fix this? >> that's right. they don't want to live in the system themselves. that's fundamentally what we're trying to change.
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again, if we can get washington completely in the system under the same rules as ordinary americans. no special exemption, no special subsidy, i think it would be a powerful factor to make things better in a hurry. neil: senator good seeing you. >> thanks. >> president obama has choice words on liz warren and the trade deal listen. >> elizabeth is a politician like everybody else on. this one her arguments don't stand the test of fact and scrutiny. neil: you know what i do like the president is anyone who slights him, used to think it was fox, or just me anyone who slights him he goes nuts. women's groups say no this isn't fair, not over the agreement but the way the president referred to senator warren by her first name, liz, elizabeth you got the feeling he wasn't a fan. now it's putting out this
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statement -- so i don't think you get the president a lot of things i don't think he's sexist, i don't think it's bad to refer to somebody by their first name. i let rupert murdoch call me neil. that's just me. we got sabrina here, susan here. what do they make of this sabina? >> i know terry well but have to disagree with her on this. the fact is the progressive women's movement loves to portray society, politics the workplace as openly hostile towards women, love to view the administration is lurking around every corner. while i am no fan of the president and disagree with him on many things i do not think this is a case of sexism or discrimination. this is perhaps we call it the casualization of politics today. that's something very different.
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neil: yeah, suzy q, what about you? kidding. [ laughter ] >> that's all right. neil: what an idiot, go ahead. >> i think it's disrespectful because you need to respect the office and as the president of the united states he more than anyone should know that. but having been a woman in a male dominated industry the only female executive you have to pick your hill to die on, and this is not the hill to die on. neil: you found that offensive? >> no, i did not. i thought it was disrespectful definitely not sexist. neil: really? >> i think when someone has a position of that power she should be referred to as senator warren just like the president should be referred to as president obama. neil: okay okay what do you make of that on that level alone a little obnoxious, susan isn't going to the point of making a federal case out of it. what do you think? >> i agree with susan, i think there is something said for respecting people's positions of power and offices that's a fair argument.
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the problem is too many on the left have defined everything in politics as sexist. we're certainly seeing this with hillary clinton running for the presidential flection 2016. we have supervolunteers who are out there to push back on sexism and the whole narrative is she will be swimming up against the sexist current. this is bad for women political figures in the system you. >> might be offended by that. do you think the president is subliminally sending a message that he doesn't flip over her constantly questioning him, and sometimes when you use a comment like liz or -- you are making it very clear even subliminally. i don't respect her. >> i don't think so. i don't support president obama. i think he was trying to show rap them, not to be offensive to her. neil: but you didn't like that
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personally. >> i didn't like it because it was disrespectful to the office. neil: is it me or are you sounding like a woman. kidding. >> if you were the president i would not call you neil. neil: i want you to. like grand anchor pooh-bah is not necessary. >> and kissing the ring? neil: it is not necessary. finish the point, sabrina. >> the reality is women voters are far too important to the president and the democratic party to make a casual slipup like that. this is -- we should consider in terms of how we talk about people in general i don't think he's this glib. so -- >> the only thing out of this is up until now fox was evil fox was to blame. now he's taking it out on liberals who question him. that was a welcome development. he said the loser neely boy on fox. which was annoying. thank you very much. all right, does this have anything at all to do with this?
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. neil: well you know, here is one way to sell more spending, put the fear of god into people saying this is what happens if the cheapskate republicans get their way on spending take a look. >> if we're not careful the have notes in this country will rise up like the people in baltimore. what happened in baltimore stems from deeper economic issues. >> you're saying that budgets like this could lead to violence? >> yes, i am. neil: okay. what he's saying is vote along with republicans and it's armageddon. really? to former minnesota senator tim
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polafrpgy. i'm sure this is going to happen again and again and again. >> quit calling me surely. neil: it's incredible, right? >> it is incredible. the notion that incremental change in any one particular budget is going to insight or trigger rioting, looting, mass protesting, 24-7 news coverage and all of that is really preposterous. look there are some things where social unrest or peaceful protesting is an order but incremental changes in the federal budget isn't one of them. neil: wondered money, baltimore should be a stellar example to the world. on a per capital student basis, ranks second to new york as far as federal funding and like new york neither is lighting up the test scores. so i'm wondering if republicans
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or there is a response that they collectively have as a party to say stop the spigot that's not the answer? >> sure, if you measured our commitment to areas of concentrated areas of socioeconomic disadvantage in most cases it's more money than many other places. the way we have to think about it neil as you know, there's a high correlation between income inequality and economic disadvantage and education and skill inequality. we need to have a very aggressive conversation in this country about improving the skill level and educational levels of this nation's youth, and people who need to take it under. neil: you and i chatted about this before, in understandable ways and either ads or just to prove that republicans are not the party of no i don't know when you say trillions on a war on poverty poverty rate is about what it was. the unemployment among minority
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youths is about what it was. higher in some cities including baltimore. we got to quit beating that drum. that is not you, governor republicans are on defense? >> let me give you the one example. one of the more determining factors is the quality and preparedness on teachers. i would spend more money on highly qualified teachers paying them on performance and results. that's not what's happening now. neil: interesting idea right there. governor, good seeing you again thank you. >> good to see you, thanks. and then there is this -- . >> this is amazing! this is good! this is the best one! yes! yes! woo! . neil: sure it might look like they're celebrating a new paper plane champion but they're going nuts over our move to
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. neil: after the wreck the rethinking another deadly train derailment adding to a string of high-speed crashes to tragedies like this make it risky for california and other states pursuing high-speed rail projects. very popular for example in japan. railroad accident investigator robert halstead says speed could have played a role in last night's accident. the next leap is whether that's an indictment of high-speed rail in general. >> it's not necessarily an
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indictment of high-speed rail. what it shows is combine high-speed rail with adequate protections of human failure, if that is the case here is. neil: if it is true early reports the train was going 100 miles an hour debatable whether it was still going that fast at a turn, which could be obviously very dangerous, is that in and of itself enough to sort of step back and assess why, why some train conductors do this? >> well you know, we've had a number of accidents in the past that have involved human factors failure in some fashion or another. the recent derailment in the bronx comes to mind in november. we had a gentleman there operating the train who was severely fatigued and had an undiagnosed case of sleep apnea at the time of the accident. neil: there such we don't know about the conductor here. what i'm asking you is whether
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schedules on a train that might be running late that was not the case here whether we might compensate or reward those that have better on-time records and whether because of that we put this thing more at risk. what do you think? >> well in my experience train engineers are not compensated any additional funds for being on-time, but if they are chronically late, that may well create a question on the part of supervision as to the root causes for that. neil: all right robert thank you very much. we'll watch this very, very closely. democratic congressman peter defazio warning congress about cutting amtrak's budget. >> so i would hope that our friends on the appropriations committee are cognizant of the real world out there, of what happened last night, of what the capital needs of amtrak are and will not engage in a short-sighted budget cutting in
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an area where we have a $21 billion backlog. neil: kevin turley following all this says it's way too early to predispose budgets are going to be cut. what do you make of this? >> first and foremost, our thoughts and prayers to the families who lost loved ones from this and the images out of philly where i grew up outside of it it's terrifying to see the images. but on the flipside of that any time you have a topical type of situation going on in the news, it becomes rhetoric in the halls of congress, and i think that regardless of the merits of the congressman's policy proposal or what he's advocating for he is you know, using headlines to make a policy point, we see that frequently in congress. neil: kevin, since i was a kid battling over amtrak and whether it only benefitted those in washington who lot of convenience of the shuttling
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back and forth along the northeastern seaboard to washington, what have you, and that always said in the days of delaware senator for whom this was a vital link to get to and from work. i can understand its importance there. i recognize that it's almost the only game in town, and that's why cutting its budget without having an alternative train service makes it dicey right? all service train or most of it to and from the washington corridor stopped today? >> well i think that this is right wrong or indifferent, there is a frank policy discussion that is being had today. we were just talking about high-speed trains and whether or not this type of accident is going impact those discussions had in california. we heard from philadelphia mayor michael nutter saying today is not the day to have a
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policy discussion. i think regardless in the next couple of days and weeks and months ahead, this type of tragedy is going to be the catalyst for a lot of frank discussions, and again the merits of which coming from representative defazio remain to be seen. clearly hours after the tragedy the discussions are taking place. neil: kevin one other quick thing, it's going to slow the momentum and appetite for high-speed rail service. japan might have it down, germany has it down there are fears that we don't or that we can't. i don't know if it's fair or right but it will stall that type of talk, what do you think? >> i think there's a lot of conversations in the next couple of weeks on transportation funding, and i think that there is a lot of bipartisan support for highway trust fund for example, but i think that the complexity is getting beyond that are going to definitely be complicated by what we're seeing today in philadelphia. neil: kevin thank you very much. just as a reminder as we say
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changing lives. . >> so many of them are pampered, loser, morons. >> if you ask a millennial how do you get out of draft? they'll tell you to shut the window. >> they need to shape up stop instagraming the doughnuts they had for breakfast. neil: and all of you, get off the lawn! bad news for bitter boomers the millennials are taking over, they heard a lot of that fair and balanced we're going to hear from them. if they annoy them i'll tell them to go. a new report says we better be careful millennials are now a majority of the workforce. we have christie and katherine timpf it's not such a bad thing they are in the dominant role right now. you are looking at this hearing what boomer friends are saying that you're an entitled
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pampered generation all of you are ingrate. >> we don't eat doughnuts we eat egg white breakfast sandwiches. neil: enormous amount trouble to go to. egg white anything go ahead. >> this attitude isn't going to help anybody all generations have a lot to learn. neil: you haven't learned anything. >> i ask people for help that are older than me experience is one thing, different demographics they know what their own demographic was. a consumer or media trying to appeal to audience, you want as much input from as many people as possible you. >> follow that? >> i agree with catherine. i think it might be scary because change is always scary and we have a whole new way of doing things and learning. neil: are you saying i'm not open to change? >> i'm saying they think everyone is afraid of change. neil: i had rye bread rather than wheat. >> on a different level. i'm an attorney. neil: that's the problem right
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there. >> that could be a problem but established attorneys tend to dictate i'd rather type it myself, i think we might be a little more productive to be immersed in technology the way we are, that is scary. neil: i think what charlie gasparino was saying, he's evil at any age he's saying you guys feel entitled. what do you think? >> i disagree i feel things have changed. neil: charlie's got to get with the program. >> exactly. technology changes a lot. neil: and he's a fuddy-duddy and a hateful fuddy-duddy. >> definitely agree with that. but technology changed a lot of things, we have the big businesses and older people who don't know as much about the benefits of social media. neil: wait a minute, are you saying we're resistant to technology? >> the media takes a lot longer to learn it you. >> didn't hear from me it's going to be big. what do you think? . >> i think this entitled thing, maybe comes a little bit from
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obama's administration saying we'll take care of you, we got. this makes us sound like we're struggling a little more than we are. i've been working since i left college. imagine, that it's crazy i know. neil: young people when you are young you tend to be more liberal, and you tend to be more idealistic nothing wrong with that. when you get on charlie gasparino's age, between 100 and 110. that changes. >> we're the future. neil: what do you think? . >> i think my views are conservative, and i think we're three great examples of millennials who don't feel entitled. neil: you are the only three. pretty much. >> i know a lot of millennials, they all work hard, we have more than one job at a time. neil: what do you say to charlie brady and steven levy who are angry they are jealous? >> clearly the future, you need us to succeed. maybe don't insult us so much. neil: ooh.
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interesting. >> i don't understand where it's coming from. neil: a dark place a dark place. >> we're clearly not -- i don't feel entitled. i've been working since i was 14. a lot of it comes from your upbringing. i'm fortunate to have parents who were definitely supportive but because of them i've been able to pursue a dream. neil: were you all raised as good as she? you can't judge an entire generation you can't call all old boomers bitter. you obviously have respectful parents. >> maybe he's mad because he doesn't have as many twitter followers as millennials do. neil: very good! >> seems like a personal problem. neil: he has many many many many. thank you very much. just another side of this, there are very good kids out there today. all right well, you thought this guy was the only guy flying through the sky? well, it may get a little crowded up there.
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do the have the science down safer, that was a big issue, right? >> this guy's been working on the jet pack since 1999. propelled by four jet rockets. it goes 190 miles per hour and it goes up to 13,000 feet in the sky. i don't see how your average joe is going to strap one of these on and fly around town. it's still extremely dangerous, i think it's probably going to have issues with airspace and that kind of thing, i don't think it's going to hit the
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mainstream but could be something where it's an extreme sport type of thing where you pay and sign your life away and jump on one of those and fly through the air, maybe that would happen next. neil: i'm surprised dubai come to dubai, we have jet packs over our bleeming skyscrapers, it's going to take time. parents watch your kids. a new motor can attach to any type of skateboard and controlled by a remote. sounds like a quick trip to the er. i don't know if this is safer or the jet pack thing. what's the science behind this? >> well, the science behind it is there's already an electric skateboard out there. this is a battery attached to two wheels, you can turn your existing skateboard into an electric skateboard, it can go up to 25 miles per hour it will go 10 miles on a charge, you can charge it up to 1,000 times. it's $1000 if you want to pretoward on kickstarter. it doesn't exist yet it's not
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in the market. neil: the fastest it goes is 25 miles an hour don't kids go fast or their own? >> i mean i remember when i had a skateboard and i went down my driveway, and i flew off this thing and got injured. i mean 25 miles an hour you are probably already going that fast. neil: i never knew that was funny until they did know. >> that's what's wrong with you? neil: wouldn't parents be leery of buying something like this for their kids? >> i don't know, there are always going to be parents who buy something like this for the kids. i don't know about the mainstream riding a bike, a skateboard you are going that fast as long as you have helmet and elbow and knee pads go for it. neil: ultimately depends whether you like the kids, right? >> right. well, i think skateboard purists won't like this that much, but why not? i love all the innovation and new technology. hard to know if it's going to
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take off with the mainstream. with all the ideas coming out now they lead to more great things down the road. >> you are always optimistic about the new technology. >> i'm not a millennial. i saw the segment before i'm not a millennial. neil: i'm not optimistic about the future. i'm just worried. cassie thank you very much. this dates back to the first show we're doing the new show, i will don a jet pack, that is the same day the same day that what's the restaurant chain, olive garden is going to come out with the bread stick sandwiches. i mean coincidence? i think not. meanwhile, i bet you think that fox news only recently changed over the last couple of decades. what if i told you we've been a century in the making. the story about the fox behind fox, after this, and i should know. i was there.
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. neil: boy, time flies for i was here from the beginning next year will be fox news's 20th-year anniversary, this year is the 100th anniversary of the founding of fox film corporation, amazing business story about a man at cusp of a brand-new industry who became like the steve jobs and bill gates of his time. the fox, the name of our famous and powerful brand, but exactly who was the fox? >> he's the fox in fox news or twenty-first century fox. his film sunrise won the first
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academy award. in 1919 he created fox movie town, which was the sound on film technology. neil: exceptional entrepreneur ino variety and visionary in the stage of motion pictures the fox was william fox. >> in 1903, he saw that people were starting to line up outside of things called nickelodeons so he thought well, maybe i can get into the business. neil: susan fox is the great granddaughter of the fox. >> by 1927, william fox had amassed a film companies, a distribution company and well over 1,000 theaters. the value of the company in early 1929 is supposed to be about 300 million dollars. neil: relentless in pursuit of profess, fox's company would be
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valued at $50 billion today. >> you got remember to today it's hard for us to realize this was a mason industry. a lot of the first moguls were immigrants as he was. he worked his way up through poverty on the lower east side. >> the 100th anniversary of fox film corporation of a nearly forgotten history of new jersey are celebrated at an exhibit in the town museum. >> the biggest export this country has ever had has now and will have film, we are defined by film history and film production even today. it is our one artform we created here. neil: fort lee's starring role lasted ten years, william fox built corporate offices and new studios in manhattan and hollywood and kept one part of his operation in new york. >> he said motto was the mightiest of all. neil: always ahead of his time william fox knew the power of the media. this mission statement is from
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the launch of fox news in 1919. >> fox news is endeavoring consistently to fulfill the obligations in news reel owes the public. honesty impartiality enterprise and entertainment. neil: this is william's fox's statement, it is nearly the same as the promise fox news channel made when we launched in 1996. news, fair and balanced. >> william fox, he's out of the corporation by 1930, but he is the one who set this up and said, sound newsreel sound nonfix, waive treating and packaging reality. it's one of the ways fox brands itself as different than mgm or paramount or other competition. >> not just 20 years of fox news, there's a huge silent pim industry and i love the link, a living link to william fox.
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neil: in 1919, fox news was launched as the mightiest of all. today fox news is the most powerful name in news, and it all began 100 years ago. website. >> victors in battle of little bighorn, welcome an outsider in. >> once they trusted him they would share things with him. >> he paints their port rats and get -- portraits and gets inside scoop on custer's last stance. >> she is convinced it worth millions but will anyone buy it. >> was he an artist or just someone who documented a side of history?
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