rated service provider to do the work at a fair price. come see what the new angie's list can do for you. hello, everybody. i'm lou dobbs. the obama administration moving to break up a chinese spy and espionage ring. u.s. department of justice officials this week announce the arrest of a chinese professor and the indictment of five other chinese citizens in what is believed to have been a decade-long effort by the chinese to steal trade and technology secrets from two silicon valley companies. the companies are chip makers companies that also develop wireless technology often used by our military. we take up china's persistent and rising aggression and the president's foreign policy collapses across a broad

spectrum talking with former nato supreme allied commander admiral james stavridas. also hillary clinton breaking what was surely a vow of silence that she had taken. she went radio silent 28 days ago. she managed to avoid the press until this past tuesday. she gave an impromptu four minute gaggle in which she dismissed her ongoing scandal about the clinton foundation her e-mails and various other conflicts of interest. but was it enough to appease her critics? probably not. we'll take it up with the chief counsel of the american center for law and justice, jay sokolov. and congressional republicans bragging now that they have the votes to give the president more power to negotiate major international trade deals and to limit their own constitutional power to amend those trade deals while doing the bidding of u.s. multi nationals and sacrificing the interests of our middle class, working men and women and small

business in this country. among our guests one of the few people on capitol hill who have actually read the president's proposed trans-pacific partnership deal. republican senator jeff sessions joins us. to iraq now. the fall of ramadi confirming rising doubts about the obama administration's strategy in iraq. the white house today tried to spin this latest setback but they didn't do very well. >> we've seen that there are no quick fixes involved. we have seen that there have been important -- there's been important progress that's been made as we just discussed as it relates to this military operation against the senior isil official in syria, but there have also been periods of setback and certainly, the isil efforts to take over ramadi is a setback, and we have been pretty candid about that. >> joining me now, former nato supreme allied commander and the dean of the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts

university admiral james stavridis. good to have you with us. we have a reasonably clear response from the obama administration the fall of ramadi is not a big deal the fall of ramadi is a big deal but the overall strategy is working when we have watched mosul, anbar province fall and now ramadi. i mean this gets worse and worse. what's to be done? >> lou, i think the fall of ramadi is clearly a defeat. it's not the end of the story, but the strategy is not working, and so we need to amp up two or three things. first of all, we've got to get more weapons in the hands of the peshmerga in the north. they can fight. we need to amp up the bombing campaign in the west and go after the logistics and the intelligence centers of the

islamic state. in terms of the iraqi security forces they have been a disaster. our best shot there is to increase the number of trainers that we have there so probably go from 3,000 to maybe 5,000 or even 6,000 trainers nothing compared to the 150,000 troops we had in iraq at one time but it could stiffen this iraqi security force. fourth we've got to do more of the raid that was very successful taking out the cfo, if you will of the islamic state and fifth, we've got to use cyber, and go after the islamic state in the cyberworld as well as kinetically. we bring those things together in a coherent way, we've got a strategy but what's happening now is not working. >> admiral, what you say i'm sure is exactly correct, but when you say we that would imply also the president of the united states and he is the only one making the decision here.

he is clearly unwilling to engage meaningfully substantively and conclusively against an enemy that he said he would degrade and ultimately destroy. we know that not to be the case no matter what he said. what does he intend as best you can divine? >> i think he is about to receive an enormous amount of pressure from the sunni states in the region our allies, saudi arabia the gulf states bahrain, et cetera who are going to be saying look the iranians are rolling, we've got this islamic state challenge in front of us. he will get diplomatic pressure on that side. i think the we here lou, is more than just the united states. we've got to get turkey we've got to get jordan we've got to leverage the sunni states against this islamic state, this

sunni derivative because the big threat is really coming and that's iran. >> iran is a clear and present danger to u.s. interests and that of our allies in the region whether saudi arabia whether israel yet we are negotiating for what by every standard is an abysmal agreement or an effort at containing their nuclear ambitions. at the same time the islamic state is driving forward successfully against what are half-hearted measures taken by this president against forces that are lacking our energetic and full support. there's only one conclusion to this is there not, if we maintain the status quo? >> yeah i agree, lou. i'll tell you the real challenge that's coming as i mentioned is iran. what worries me about this deal with iran i'm very skeptical that we're going to get it done

but if we do and the sanctions then come off, the flow of resources, real dollars, maybe $100 billion of additional gdp going into iran very quickly, that's going to be turned around into financing for hezbollah and other terrorist groups and it's going to fuel iranian imperial ambition. that's why the saudis and the other leading sunni states are so concerned about this deal. so buckle up in the middle east. >> let me ask you this. because the question just occurs. we talk about the ineptitude the inadequacy of strategy the lack of strategy on the part of this administration but at some point it becomes madness itself. have we crossed that? this is irrational what is happening right now in our foreign policy, is it not? >> what we need to do is go region by region around the world, come up with a coherent plan in each area starting with

the middle east but also in the pacific, where we see china building artificial islands in the middle of the south china sea. we need a coherent strategy for latin america and the caribbean, where we are trying to sort out colombia as well as a continuing problem in venezuela. we need a coherent strategy regionally and to put that together into a global approach. we simply have not seen that over the last four years. >> admiral, well done in avoiding my question and well done in constructing what we must consider and hopefully this white house will. thank you very much. >> thanks, lou. turning to domestic politics now, new york city's police commissioner bill bratton is proposing amnesty for more than a million low level offenders with open warrants in new york. bratton's stunning reversal comes just three weeks after he

credited his police department's so-called quality of life arrests for cutting the crime rate in the nation's largest city. bratton taking a page out of the obama amnesty playbook. president obama just yesterday trying to expand amnesty for illegal immigrants. the president saying the federal government should stop enlisting police for enforcement, leave it to the feds who do almost nothing at all. nearly 70,000 illegal immigrant criminals were released by the feds last year and the government's deportation rate, the lowest in 40 years. amnesty of a sort. we're coming right back. stay with us. much more ahead. the islamic state now occupies ramadi. our commander in chief is worried about global warming. bears turning up in shocking places. we'll have that story coming up.

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the islamic state occupying ramadi. our commander in chief meanwhile worrying about what he sees as the great national security threat global warming. joining us tonight is congressman ron desantis member of the judiciary and oversight committees also naval reserve officer that served in active duty in iraq and won a bronze star for his meritorious

service. congressman, good to have you with us. >> hi lou. thanks for having me. >> let's start with the president talking to the coast guard academy about global -- about climate change. as a national security threat when the islamic state is running across syria and iraq. >> well, exactly right, lou. i happened to be in ramadi for a time when i was in iraq and it was a very very difficult place for our forces for a long time. we lost a lot of really really brave young men there, but ultimately al qaeda in iraq was defeated in ramadi and by the time we redeployed in 2008 the violence had all but stopped. there was no more al qaeda in ramadi so now to see isis take over it it pains my heart to think of the sacrifices that were made by our men and women in uniform, and to be talking about climate change as a greater national security threat than isis who is not only --

they are not nlonly beheading people in the middle east but they have a propaganda network that as we've seen can inspire people here in our own country to wage jihad against the american people. so it's disappointing. also you mention iran and the deal that he's cutting with iran that is sparking an arms race in the middle east and also really driving more sunni arabs i believe to isis, because obama's policy is essentially to green light iran as the power in the middle east. so places like anbar province if they think the choice is between shiite backed iranian forces or isis unfortunately, many of them will choose isis as what they regard to be the lesser of two evils. >> the sunni-led islamic state. let's turn to the other, very quickly. this is a president when he talks about global -- climate change and no one is in any way suggesting it isn't an important

issue, but it's not immediate, it is not one that can be dealt with in the short term certainly. while this president has avoided any reaction to russian aggression in eastern europe he has avoided any reaction to chinese expansionism in the south china sea or its intervention into south and central america in our hemisphere. >> that's right. ukraine is a great example, because what vladimir putin sees is he sees weakness he sees a president that's not serious, so he knows he can get away with things there and i think if we had a policy which was firm which armed ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons so that they could defend themselves i think putin would make different calculations. so i think obama's policy of weakness is actually making a larger conflict more likely. if we had a reagan-esque policy of strength i think you would

see people like putin not want to mess with us. >> congressman, always good to have you on the broadcast. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. animal control capturing a black bear that's been roaming the suburb of yonkers. the black bear perched himself in a tree outside a row of houses for hours. he was eventually tranquilized by officers of animal control. he fell to the ground as you see. officers were able to move him to a more wooded area for his own safety and that of the neighborhood of course. in canada a bear climbed a power pole there, as you see. my goodness. all in an apparent attempt to raid a bird nest. eyewitnesses who captured the video say the bear ascended and descended unharmed. i remember when we used to say they climbed the pole and they climbed down but there it is. ascended and descended. must be canadian. we're learning more about the circumstances that led up to

sunday's biker gang bloodbath in waco texas. texas law enforcement officials issued a memo just two and a half weeks ago warning that there was rising tension among the rival motorcycle gangs that ultimately were involved. as for what actually started the shootout police say their initial investigation suggests it was a result of a turf war that was set off when one biker gang showed up uninvited to a gathering of rival biker gang. there is also the possibility there may have just been a simple altercation over a parking space. police are looking into all of those possibilities plus a few others including one that a biker had his foot run over and didn't like it one bit. nine people dead 18 injured, 170 arrested. up next the president's iraq strategy such an abject failure even his most ardent supporters are awakening to the reality. my commentary next.

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a few thoughts now on president obama's persistent intractable lack of a strategic vision or simply a coherent foreign policy. even the president's great ally in opposition speaker john boehner himself, today called on mr. obama to start over on his war authorization request against the islamic state because mr. obama's current approach and strategy simply isn't working. >> with new gains made by isil in ramadi we know that hope is not a strategy. the president's plan isn't working. it's time for him to come up with a real overarching strategy to defeat the ongoing terrorist threat. >> even the "washington post" editorial board is awakening from its all but uninterrupted

seven year long ideologically induced slumber, slamming his lack of strategy. the editorial board wrote this in the morning's edition. saying quote, there was hope though that mr. obama's half measures might be enough to blunt the islamic state's advances in iraq. with the stunning fall of ramadi on sunday even that modest optimism is questionable. it is mr. obama's unwillingness to match means to strategy that threatens to prolong this war. the "washington post" is apparently beginning to realize that partisan pleasing half-baked presidential political blather is not a substitute for knowledge, for values vision and judgment and that the consequences of bad foreign policy decisions or failure to make decisions at all don't change just because you avert your eyes or close them all together. the white house today admitted what a pentagon spokesman just

yesterday could not, that the fall of ramadi is indeed a setback, but not completely unfetterred by delusion the white house is still maintaining its overall strategy is a success. a day after the islamic state assaulted ramadi the pentagon last friday offered this assessment on its website, saying quote, the strategy to defeat isil is working. it was only two days later that is yesterday when the islamic state overran ramadi. the president's strategy has resulted in the islamic state victories in the cities of ramadi mosul, fallujah just to name a few, and the radical islamist terrorists are on the move tonight. they are now just 70 miles from baghdad. consolidating their victories and strengthening their foothold in libya. the islamic state strategy is clearly working in syria, iraq

and north africa. mr. obama's goal he said was to degrade and to destroy the islamic state. his rhetoric notwithstanding, congressional republicans were reluctant to accede to his request to approve the use of military force against the islamic state because they declared he has no strategy. whatever his true intent president obama never set out to destroy them nor to even degrade the islamic state forces in any meaningful manner. whatever president obama's legacy it will be neither sincerity or conviction. now our quotation of the evening. a no uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a yes merely uttered to please or worse, to avoid trouble. those words from gandhi. we'll be right back. top democrats try to block president obama's big trade deal while senate republicans are bragging about their support for

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multinational corporations and against working families. the senator accuses both republican and democratic administrations of reneging on labor provisions in previous free trade agreements that date back to nafta in 1993. it appears the president's new point man on trade in the senate is republican majority leader senator mitch mcconnell. mcconnell again praising the president and vowing to pass the trade legislation. >> we'll pass it. we'll pass it later this week. the president has done an excellent job on this. i point out to my members who are somewhat squeamish, as you can imagine about giving the president power on any issue given his expansive view of his powers on so many other issues that this is a trade promotion authority not just for president obama but for the next president as well. >> joining us tonight, senator jeff sessions a member of several committees including budget armed services and the

judiciary. senator, you are breaking with precedent. you are being historic in seeking accountability on these trade deals because those questions are never asked and answered of a president. we know empirically there have been 40 consecutive years of trade deficits. those just happen to conveniently begin with the onset of so-called trade promotion authority as you well know fast track authority as some call it. this is to the american people who are aware of what's going on this is a clear and present danger that has been established with as you alluded to previous trade deals. we are talking about further pressure on our middle class, further pressure on those who aspire to it further pressure on small business and it looks for all the world as if this president and the republican leadership in both the senate and the house are following the dicta delivered by the chamber

of commerce and the business roundtable and about 125 u.s. multinational corporations. >> well i'm afraid that the concerns you just expressed have some real legitimacy. i believe it's our duty as a congress to evaluate those things and ask the kind of questions that we need to be asking before we vote for it. as clyde prestowitz who negotiated in asia and japan during president reagan's time has said they used our trading competitors are using barriers to block our entry into those countries, so while we're going to see in this agreement an increase in imports and not much increase in exports which would be a net damage if he's correct about that which it appears to me he may well be. if our administration had proof otherwise, why aren't they submitting it.

>> yes indeed. in fact building a national consensus around this huge trade -- free trade deal as it's styled. you and i know from experience free trade always comes at a very high cost after the fact after the signing and after all of the ballyhoo is done. let me ask you about immigration, and what role immigration, illegal immigration as well plays in this trade initiative on the part of the president. >> well they've used trade agreements in the past to dramatically alter, establish law to bring in more immigrants. that has been done previously. i objected a number of years ago and we got a unanimous resolution passed in the senate bipartisan that would say never again will we amend immigration law as part of a trade agreement, yet there's

indications that this administration will be able to do that. they did not so we will offer an amendment that would make sure this doesn't happen. it will be interesting to see if they're willing to support it since it would appear to comport with what they say they intend to do. but i have my doubts. >> senator, looking to the campaign trail, as i look at the democratic candidate, i don't hear hillary clinton speaking on this very important initiative and proposal on the part of the president at all. i don't hear republicans suggesting and aligning themselves with your views. they seem to be either oblivious or indifferent or supportive of this proposition. what do you think? >> i think it's time lou, let me just be frank, i think it's time for us to re-evaluate this orthodox view that every trade agreement is good and we should just keep signing on to them.

i believe we need good trade agreements that advance the interests of the american people american working people and not just capital managers who can move capital anywhere in the world any time. i think we need to ask what's in the interest of the american people. that has not been sufficiently done and i believe we should head in that direction. trade is good. we're not against trade. i'm not against trade. we can enhance trade. but i'll tell you the day when we can enter into a trade agreement that costs one job improperly in america as a result of unfair trade practices by our partners and trading allies is over. that needs to end. we need to defend the american worker american manufacturing on the world stage and i don't see how we can be a great nation without manufacturing. that needs to be analyzed deeply here, i think. >> senator jeff sessions always

good to have you on the broadcast. thanks for being with us. >> thank you, lou. coming up a month of dodging questions apparently enough for hillary clinton. she answers a few today.

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what you're about to witness is the presumptive democratic nominee in 2016 actually answering questions. i want to repeat that. hillary clinton answered questions today from the press. before today, she had only answered seven questions and the last time was 28 days ago. today, she answered six more questions. among the highlights she defended foreign donations to her foundation. >> i am so proud of the foundation. i'm proud of the work that it has done and that it is doing. it attracted donations from people organizations from around the world and i think that just goes to show that people are very supportive of the life-saving and life-changing work it's done. >> and what is a person with a $100 million net worth to do? why, she then attacked the rich. >> i think that most americans

understand that the deck is stacked for those at the top and i am running a campaign that is very clearly stating we want to reshuffle that deck. >> well she touched on her e-mail scandal and news that a federal judge had ordered the state department to release thousands of her e-mails on a rolling basis. >> i have said repeatedly i want those e-mails out. nobody has a bigger interest in getting them released than i do. i respect the state department. they have their process that they do for everybody, not just for me but anything that they might do to expedite that process, i heartily support. >> to avoid any misunderstanding or confusion here clinton was referring to those e-mails that might have been on a state department server had they been saved by the state department which they were not, not the e-mails and there are two e-mail addresses for mrs. clinton on her private server and of

course that is beyond the reach of law or the public's right to know in her view. clinton was actually asked a seventh question. >> do you regret deleting 32,000 other e-mails, mrs. clinton? >> we don't know whether she does regret that. she declined to answer. joining us now, jay sokolov, chief counsel for the american center for law and justice, and the author of the brand new book "un-democratic how unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats are stealing your liberty and freedom." we recommend jay's book to you heartily. the book is "un-democratic" and focusing on primarily the federal bureaucracy. good to have you here. you just listened to this presumptive democratic nominee sort of waving her imperious hand over the unwashed press before her and she had a chance

to actually mete all the questions she had answered but she came one short. now she's answered 13 questions. can this really persist in a constitutional democratic republic? >> you hit the key words. that is constitutional republic. the answer is of course not. but what you're going to see is between hillary clinton and the state department the slow rolling release of e-mails basically to bore the american people hoping that this scandal will go away. and the fact of the matter is this state department much like the internal revenue service, has a thing with e-mails and that thing is basically hide them delete them destroy them do not let them be discoverable. which is precisely what the irs did in that scandal, is precisely what hillary clinton and the state department allowed to happen here. because lou, the question i keep asking i know you talked about this when people receiving e-mails from hillary clinton, did they not realize inside the

state department that she was not using a state department.gov web address? e-mail address? how is that so hard to figure out? but again, the fact of the matter is the release of those e-mails will be about as quick as the irs' release of the e-mails in that scandal and that's been two years. >> we are watching a repetition a declaration of values on the part of the bureaucracy, whether the irs, the epa which also its director is in personal e-mail as well as contrived and fictitious names for her purposes. this goes on and on. a bureaucracy indifferent to both law and to the public interest and is in fact aligned with the democratic leaders, the state department i've said is basically a secondary government unto itself. beyond it seems often the reach of the president himself. >> yeah. they are not elected, not

accountable. you've got the unique situation with our constitution right now where this is not supposed to happen. we have three branches of government. we are supposed to have checks and balances but the fact of the matter is the most powerful branch of government is not housed in the united states capitol, not housed in the supreme court of the united states, not housed in the white house. it's two blocks from the white house, around the corner from the capitol and a couple blocks over from the supreme court and that's the agencies. the fact of the matter is whether we like it or not, this is something you have been talking about for over a decade we right now have an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy that is passing more rules and regulations than the united states congress and they are in lockstep with the administration. you've got that unique situation. you always have a bureaucracy there. but when you have those moments where the bureaucracy's in lockstep with the administration that's the danger. we're at that tipping point right now. >> that power becomes oppressive even authoritarian. to turn quickly, immigration. your organization filing an

amicus brief joining with 113 members of congress urging that this circuit court of appeals to overthrow the amnesty fiat if you will. what do you think's going to happen there very quickly? secondly what is the impact at the same time congress is pushing part of its constitutional authority in the house, that is pushing its article one, section eight powers over trade, the senate requiring two-thirds vote to approve a treaty. they're both basically dispensing with their constitutional power while in a court arguing that the president is abusing the constitutional power to their detriment. make some sense of that. >> the inconsistency of our elected representatives but more than that the malfunction of our checks and balances in the united states constitution look, i'm optimistic the fifth circuit court of appeals will get it right, they will say the

president was overreaching when he made the executive amnesty decision that was not within his constitutional authority, but ultimately it's going to be decided i believe by the supreme court of the united states. when you look at the other issues you mentioned, the fact of the matter is that you're right, the politics are overriding the constitution and that is dangerous for all citizens, right, left and center. >> do you think the fifth circuit court of appeals might admonish the republicans and say something like preserve your constitutional powers our framers had that check and balance in full view and focus to maintain some fidelity to the constitution? you think they go that far? >> it's always hard to predict these things as you know. i've argued enough of them to know that. but i am optimistic that the fifth circuit's going to say look congress can't be ignored. impatient presidents don't get to change the law on their own, the constitution requires these laws be executed and put forward

by the congress. the president doesn't get to do it by himself. you know what we'll find out in a couple months. >> jay, thanks so much. up next, a democratic senate candidate caught on tape making an outrageously inappropriate gesture. we'll take it up. the technology changes the design evolves

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congresswoman loretta sanchez successfully managed to offend both native americans and good sense. here is the california democrat describing a call from a constituent who was looking to support her in her senate campaign. the explanation for some reason included stereotyping. >> he says i represent -- i come from the indian-american community. i'm thinking great, he goes when can we meet. i'm going to his office thinking that i'm going to go meet with woo-woo-woo, right? indian-american? >> sanchez apologized saying quote, it's hard to put yourself out there and to do what leaders need to do day in and day out and yes, sooner or later we make mistakes. joining us tonight to assess those mistakes national review investigative reporter jillian kay melcher, democratic strategist fox news political analyst, julie rabinski. good to have you both here.

i would say it is tough being out there and somebody does say something stupid if you're out there that much, you forgive her? >> it just is absolutely staggering to me that she didn't know better. she's a public figure. how did she not see this would be culturally insensitive and possibly a problem? >> jillian? >> we are out there every day probably saying stupid things on tv but you don't have it in you, i don't have it in me to say stupid stuff like that, because it's not in my head. i don't make racial stereotypes because they don't occur to me to make it. i'm not wired that way. that's the problem. >> do you think this is going to cost her her senate bid? >> i think it's going to cost her her senate bid anyway and harris is going to be the next senator from california, i believe. >> you notice her ruling out the republican -- >> california, my friend. california.

you've got democrat versus democrat. what's interesting about this story in particular is that the left has fueled the culture where it is not only a personal virtue but civic virtue to be offended by everything and this beast they created is now kind of biting them. i think that's fascinating. >> even as i was saying tonight to the audience that she had said something offensive, she said something insulting is really what it is. offensive has become the term of art. it was a stupid insensitive insult. she's getting the blowback that she deserves for being insulting. >> it's poor judgment. that's what i have to say about that. >> speaking of poor judgment we have other examples to share with you tonight. chris christie's foreign policy is that good judgment or bad? >> well i remember i'm old enough to remember six months ago when chris christie said that vladimir putin would never dare to take crimea if governor

christie were president because of governor christie's you know he would know better because governor christie was going to what presumably chase him down the boardwalk with an ice cream cone? that's the reality. it happened a couple summers ago down the jersey shore. he chased after a guy who was apparently bullying him. so governor christie i think is grasping at straws. this is a guy who went from being the front-runner to suddenly being behind donald trump in the polls. so he's grasping at straws. good luck to him. >> the republicans have got all of these candidates. do you feel that the field is enhanced by having christie in it? >> you know i still haven't forgiven him for not running last time. i thought that was his moment. i pinned a lot of hopes on him and he didn't run. i'm a little bitter still. >> learn to let go jillian. >> i think this is the smart move for him politically. you see this debate playing out in the democratic party, isolationist versus the hawkish wing. i think he's staking out the hawkish wing and hoping that becomes more of an issue. that's probably smart politics.

>> smart politics stephanopoulos not disclosing his clinton ties. i have to be honest i'm a little jaded on this. stephanopoulos we all know is senior assistant to the president of the united states who happened to be a democrat bill clinton. he went from politics straight into the abc easy pass to anchordom. who didn't know? >> look first and foremost the global -- clinton global initiative had a lot of republicans and a lot of corporate people give money and also including mitt romney spoke before their board, i believe laura bush did. what i don't understand is why stephanopoulos didn't just disclose when he was interviewed by the author of "clinton cash." that's the big deal. had he disclosed i think he would have been okay because you are giving to charity. he didn't. >> also he really tried to rake peter over the coals. to say it was aggressive is to trivialize. he was hostile. >> yeah. i think it was downright brutal. i think that now he's put himself in a situation by not

disclosing that and then as suggested today, not fully disclosing how deep his involvement was with the clinton foundation where his credibility is really under fire. i think it would have been the honest and ethical thing for him to do to be much more transparent with his viewers and let them sort it out. >> jay z supporting anti-police demonstrators, bailing them out. are you outraged? >> no. actually good for jay z. >> really. >> yeah. it depends who he's bailing out. but look i have a big problem with the bail system in this country in general. if we got busted tomorrow chances are we would probably make bail. lot of people who are poor can't make bail. >> what about the bikers down in waco? >> how about the ones left alive. look -- >> come on. i'm not asking about reforming the bail system. i'm asking about the judgment of finding this cause. what we need are some leaders who are talking about the real issues. instead the implication here is clearly that he believes in anti-police rhetoric and these

demonstrations. >> are you looking at jay z and beyonce to be leaders or are you looking at them to advance whatever their cause is? i'm not looking for them for leadership. they are not -- i honestly think they have been pretty good role models. i respect them for that. with this thing about them bailing out, i think my frustration is i don't have enough information about it. so they are staking this out as a cause. good for them. let us know why you're staking this out as a cause. i would like to know who they bailed out. i think in baltimore there's a case that the police were too aggressive not only with you know people -- the actual protesters. >> speaking of things we probably don't know enough about, where were they too aggressive? which police were too aggressive? >> baltimore. >> which event? >> i think with the protests. there was a question about who was being arrested what were the police responses, were they proportionate. with jay z i would like to know if it was peaceful protesters or people who were actually being violent and destructive. >> i hope we can count on his

financial assistance for all demonstrations going forward. i hope. jillian and julie, thank you both for being here. thanks for being with us tonight. good night from new york. [ dynamic music plays ]