cess stories go to my website fox business/charles payne. you were fantastic, hope you have a great weekend. even you filthy rich guy, jim. lou dobbs is next. lou: good evening, everybody, i'm lou dobbs. the chinese hackers who attacked the nerve center of our federal government and stole the records of four million federal employees are now being linked to the theft of personal information from health care insurance companies. forensic evidence reportedly linking the chinese hackers to cyberattacks against insurance providers anthem and primera blue cross china is lashing out in reaction to the u.s. accusations. the chinese saying the united states charges are groundless and irresponsible. tonight we look into why the obama administration is failing to protect u.s. government

servers and critical classified data of all kinds. two of the country's leading cybersecurity experts. bruce parkman and kevin mandia join us to examine why the government seems defenseless all but helpless against increasingly powerful cyberattacks? also tonight, we have to add another misadventure to the long list of the administration's foreign policy and intelligence failures. a government effort to turn the taliban five into double agents resulted in what sources are describing as a total failure. what we don't know nor understand is why we're learning of the failure at all? we'll try to get to the bottom of the matter here tonight general jack keane is among our guests. we continue our report on the left wing campaign against the nation's law enforcement officers and agencies. skyrocketing violent crime in major cities the result. we begin with the most

far-reaching attack on government computers ever. 30 years of government data stolen, and the white house today argued with the fbi about its judgment that china is responsible for the biggest cyberattack in history. the white house today tepedly tried to walk back the assertions of intelligence and law enforcement agencies. the white house obviously uncomfortably reluctant to place definitive blame on china. >> i can't get into any conclusions that have been reached about who or what country may be responsible for this particular incident but when it comes to china you all know that the president has frequently including every single meeting he's conduct with the current chinese president raised china's activities in cyberspace as a

significant source of concern. lou: so who should we believe? should we believe the politicians in the white house who repeatedly lied and misled the american public? or should we believe the professionals investigators of the fbi and other agencies? joining us tonight cybersecurity expert and coo of main nerve bruce parkman and fire eye senior vice president kevin mandia. good to have you with us, let me start if i may, kevin, the white house back off here yesterday evening, all of our sources were saying clearly it was the chinese, and not just hackers hitting away in a remote province but chinese government hackers what do you think? >> well, i can tell you a couple thing lou, for one this isn't somebody sitting in a basement hacking the government. two, this is a huge attack. it's far-reaching beyond opm, impacting the private sector as well. it's been going on for a while

now. so what we're seeing that's coming to a nexus but whoever is doing this have great scale. it is consistent with intrusions that we believe are coming from the geography of china. it would be my personal opinion their state enabled intrusions at a minimum. lou: and bruce, do you agree? >> absolutely. i've worked with these federal agencies many times in the past, and they are darn good what the they do and absolutely no doubt that they have the evidence at hand that undoubtedly proves that the state actors were involved in the attacks. lou: i want to ask you both this question why would this administration, why would it so tepedly back off and be reluctant to speak straightforwardly truthfully to the american people on this issue, kevin? >> when you're thinking about responding proportionately maybe out of cyberspace

attribution is critical we want to be sure, and it could be hard to distinguish between state sponsored, state enabled or military units doing this. so we may be threading hairs here but may be waiting for a level of exactude that's one level higher than it currently may be. lou: a proportionate response. this administration, a couple of years ago said that certain cyberattacks would be considered acts of war. and responses take place not only within cyberspace but appropriate to any act of war against the nation state that perpetuates. >> proportionality is always a common conflict within the government in any administration right now. right now what we're looking at is an administration that fails to react to the acts of state sponsored terrorism in my opinion, and we have now -- we've gone beyond executive orders like the last executive order that the president issued sanctioned certain individuals.

we don't own china. it's not like when i was running counter id operations in iraq, i could have the troops roll up. we can't roll these people up. these are ineffective forms of retribution. what we're looking at we need to push into the economic realm. we can hurt the chinese, where there's talk right now the commission of the theft of intellectual property last week released a report that recommends that this country start moving in the right direction and asserting itself with economic sanctions, could be tariffs, import taxes to show the chinese that we mean business but we're not showing them we're taking the threats seriously. lou: we have not taken any part of the relationship with china seriously over the last decade in my opinion, the reality is that 70% of our trade deficit is with china. the reality is they have been committing intellectual property theft for the past quarter century. they've done so without

response reprisal or retaliation. it looks to me as frankly as if this administration is scared to death of the chinese or as utterly effectless and doesn't have any understanding how to use power in order to protect american interests. kevin what is the way we should respond. talk within the context of cyberspace itself. don't we have hackers? don't we have the capacity to shut down china? >> we may, but the the end of the day we're in the glass house they're not quite in the glass house, i wouldn't call it a mud hut but asymmetrical lou, we rely on the internet we have a commerce that relies on it. we thrive on it like it's oxygen. i have employees if they can't get on facebook or gmail or im they go home. we have such a dependence on, it we may be more vulnerable and if we respond just in

cyberspace i think it's too asymmetrical. another point to make is it's still asymmetrical in that if we spend billions on defense we're still playing goalie. what we have when we have a good state sponsored attack it's like wayne gretzky on a power play. for the billions we spend on defense, we're not raising the cost of offense in this domain. i'm not sure there's a deterrent in cyberspace that's equal for us right now. >> and also lou, there's a point in time when we have to make a stand, and do the right thing, and these continue use acts of terrorism, we're not facing them. we're not looking at the right forms of attribution into cyberspace. i am almost positive there's a cyberwar going on that nobody is talking about. our guys are good. there was a report released saying malware are so advanced they can't be wiped off

machines, that was in a classified report. the administration talking about transparency, all the legislation about information sharing getting companies to talk to us and expose cyberthreats. the government needs to trust the public, and expose some of the successes we might have had in cyberspace we're not seeing the transparency right now. i'm sure we're doing the right thing but it's not being talked about. lou: it's not being talked about -- i'm sorry go ahead. >> one difference too, lou, if we hack into china, i don't think we cause billions of dollars or hundreds of millions of dollars of liability for the chinese private companies. that's what's happening when they hack into our private companies. they are causing liabilities and eating ourselves up from within with liabilities and damages against the victim organizations. >> what i'm hearing both of you gentlemen say is, in some way, in contravention, we have the

capacity to wage highly effective cyberwarfare against the chinese, and it isn't even in fact a question to our superiority and our ability to be effective. on the other hand kevin you're suggesting that our vulnerabilities are so great that this asymmetrical nature of the reason which you paint is some sort of primitive organization in china, and highly sophisticated digital world of america. the reality is the primitives are winning right now and we've got to have an intelligent strategy a public strategy, and public public limits to what we will tolerate do. we not? >> absolutely lou. we got to get to a point where we're not responsive all the time. we continuously get punched in the face and not do anything about it. the public is frustrated right now. we're just seemingly, looks like we're always on the receiving end of these attacks

and that a minimum push is done through legislation and/or even technology right now to address the issues and be able to be more effectively demonstrative in the protection of cyberdata in this country. lou: disturbing as we wrap up gentlemen, to me this attack took place, data stolen goes back three decades. on four million federal employees, which should be on the most secure servers or certainly among the most secure in the country. the administration looks like fools the united states government looks like fools america looks like a land of utterly lost fools that can't come up with an appropriate response to being basically provoked beyond any reasonable idea of patience on the part of the world's only superpower it seems to me, bruce thanks for being with us we appreciate

it. kevin thank you very much. turning to a spectacular failure by this government. fox news learned that a government attempt to recruit five former guantanamo detainees, the taliban five, as double agents was in one official's words a total failure why. do we even know about this? fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with our report. >> reporter: fox news has learned that there was an effort by the u.s. government to recruit members of the taliban five as assets to gather intelligence and to influence their future actions once restrictions were lifted. the men who were swapped for sergeant bowe bergdahl in may 2014 are former taliban commanders, the option to flip them was to pursue the obama administration's ability to prevent them from returning to terrorism. the effort was described by a source familiar with the strategy as a, quote total failure. the white house today offered little. >> as a general matter, this is

an intelligence matter i won't be able to discuss from here. >> reporter: the taliban five were held at guantanamo bay detention camps for 12 years where the military reviews concluded they were bad actors and had high intelligence value. for those reasons seasoned military officers believe the taliban five were obvious recruitment targets. >> we would definitely have tried to work that with these people because of who they are, because of the relationships they had. these were people that had significant senior positions inside this organization. >> reporter: a year ago the men were greeted as heroes in the gulf nation of qatar where the terms of confinement including travel restrictions were extended but only on a temporary basis. they are now joined in the oil rich nation by 65 of their immediate family and relatives. the state department sees no additional security risk. >> so their presence might increase the men's ability to reengage with terrorist networks. >> not sure why that is the

case, seems like pure speculation to me. >> reporter: a member of the house intelligence committee says otherwise. >> without going into the numbers, they had access to outsiders who have access to the outside this can't bode well for national security. >> reporter: in a statement to fox, a national security spokesman said, quote -- separately a u.s. official tells fox news the guantanamo transfers will resume shortly most likely this month. lou? lou: catherine, thank you very much catherine herridge reporting. turning to the economy, employers adding jobs at a great pace in may. the economy adding 280,000 jobs last month. the unemployment rate ticked higher to 5.5% because the labor force participation rate actually rose. more americans entering the workforce last month, participation however, still remain near record lows. still under 63%, either

employed or looking for a job. wage growth tepid but did move higher barely keeping up with inflation just over 2% from a year ago. we're coming back with much more, much more news stay with us. the air force bombs a building filled with islamic state terrorists. and it gets better. that's coming up next. thunderstorms ripping through several states. reports of hail the size of grapefruit. you'll see the incredible video here next.

. lou: an islamic state selfie, that's right, i said selfie, led to the u.s. bombing of a terrorist command post in syria. an air force general described the radical islamist as a, quote, moron who posted his picture in front of the headquarters onto a social media site. american analysts used metadata to decipher the location 2. 2 hours later a b-2 stealth bomber wiped out the entire building and all of the morons in it. joining us now former army vice chief of staff fox news military analyst general jack keane, good to have you with us. that's a wonderful story. but i don't know maybe i'm not like most americans, why are we

bragging about that, and maybe they might find another moron. >> the less we talk about operations, the better. because obviously, we want to be effective here and all sources of information are very valuable. i can tell you this because the institute for the straightforward war that i'm associated with we track isis daily, and the amount of information out there in social media and other sources is staggering. we were predicting the attack on ramadi weeks before it occurred based on isis activity. i know our intelligence services are all over this and there's more than just this one strike going on as a result of the information that's available to them, and we should not, you're absolutely right, be talking about it. lou: and turning to the knowledge the intelligence that told us ramadi was under threat, why in the world did no one respond to it? >> yeah, i mean that whole situation there is very frustrating to deal with you

can remember the chairman of the joint chiefs was saying that the oil refinery was a strategic target and had a higher priority than ramadi, and that ramadi was not strategic enough so to speak. lou: right. >> and implying that is acceptable to lose. he came back and corrected that statement rightfully so, it was a horrific statement he made. isis was after ramadi for 14 months and eventually they've got it now. lou: remember when mosul was going to be taken back within just a matter of weeks. when we catalog the number of times that this -- that the united states, this administration has failed to respond to react and the failure of our allies at the same time where in the world is the united states, in

cyberspace in the middle east in eastern europe in the south china sea? where in the world are we taking the initiative? >> every adversary relationship that we have in the world. we're not responding adequately to any of it any of it. that's the tragedy of it all. you put your finger on every place and look at what we're doing and the response is totally inadequate. and the american people are getting onto this. they certainly know now that the strategy dealing with isis is totally unsatisfactory. they know it and the majority of people understand that. that we've got to do something about it, and they're ready for us to do something about it. lou: and what happens if this administration over the course of the next more than a year and a half, chooses simply to remain indifferent, passive and unresponsive to threats against our allies, to our interests and ultimately to the united states itself. >> i think the decision has

already been made lou, that's why you have spokespeople for the administration walking away from iraq a little bit. distancing ourselves from the failure unfolding right in front of our eyes. i think they're going to walk right next to the administration and give the whole problem, unless unless there's a serious attack in the united states that isis has sponsored. that will change the game for the obama administration. but if that doesn't happen, and let's hope it does not, they're not going to do anything more than what they're already doing. lou: general always good to have you here, general jack keane. >> good talking to you, lou. lou: be sure to vote in our poll tonight. the question is -- cast your vote at loudobbs.com. in colorado tornadoes and hail damaging dozens of homes several tornadoes touched down across the state. homes destroyed across a number of counties. thankfully no injuries have been reported. the storms backing a powerful

punch dropping what some describe as baseball-sized hail and rain across the state. there are reports of hail being the size of grapefruit. and the tornado's heavy rains leading to problems outside denver this morning. one police officer found himself in a sinkhole when the roadway opened up under his car. he crawled out. wasn't injured. up next red storm rising and the white house once again trying to play nice with china. my commentary coming up, and a wild crime spree in wisconsin. we're coming right back with that.

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. lou: a few thoughts now on the threat that we have labeled red storm rising on this broadcast, for the better part of a decade. the increasingly provocative conduct of china has now result in the biggest cyberattack against our government in

history. china denies the charge. today in fact blasting america for making what it calls irresponsible accusations. the white house response to the chinese denials today painting the president as timid and lacking the nerve to say what federal agency sources insist is the clear fact. china is responsible. the president's spokesman constantly plays the artless dodger, ducking questions whether the massive cyberattack constitutes an act of war. here is josh earnest's response to a simple question does president obama consider china to be an adversary? >> i can't speak to who may or may not have been responsible are in particular incident. just as a general matter week have raised significant concerns about the way that china and individuals acting on behalf of the state of china have acted in cyberspace. lou: our president is to be

kind, a man ofunsteady principle, big vision and seems passionate only about ambiguity. president obama crowed earlier in the week when he said china has put out feelers about joining his trans-pacific partnership free trade deal that the majority of americans oppose. but why would mr. obama permit china in? mr. obama's told everyone the tpp is his clever response to china's rising economic and trade power in the asia-pacific region. does mr. obama not realize that china accounts for about two-thirds of the united states trade deficit. slow that trade, reduce that deficit and china would feel the effect almost immediately. in the south china sea, it's charging ahead with its expansionary policies unilaterally take possession of territories claimed by four other nations, and china is

ignoring every u.s. warning as it deploys weapons now on the 2000 acres of the artificial islands it's built in the spratly island region, warning in fact the united states to not dare to intervene. in the face of china's aggression, here is the reaction of our commander in chief. >> the truth is that china is going to be successful. it's big. it's powerful. its people are talented and they work hard, and it may be that some of their claims are legitimate, but they shouldn't just try to establish that based on throwing elbows and pushing people out of the way if, in fact, their claims are legitimate people will recognize them. lou: did you appreciate his visual support? the president and this administration haven't convincingly on responded to iran's aggression in the middle

east, nor to that of russia or to china certainly, mr. obama hasn't articulated a foreign policy vision of any kind or has he issued a warning or limit that has meant anything to any nation. and our adversaries are clearly unimpressed. the only obama foreign policy statement that has meant anything was articulated by secretary of state kerry in november of 2013, when he announced that this president no longer supports or is guided by the monroe doctrine. that centuries old doctrine which opposed the influence of foreign powers in the western hemisphere. there is hardly a region from which president obama has not withdrawn the united states and the chinese influence in this western hemisphere is growing almost as fast as china's territorial claims and expansion in the south china sea.

unchallenged by the obama administration in either incidence. the quotation of the evening our president's passivity in the face of the putin aggression and china's expansion and provocation. i thought we should draw our thought tonight from the chinese. it was confucius who said -- that's straightforward enough to have been said by an american at least perhaps in an earlier era. we're coming right back. the left wing campaign against law enforcement is handcuffing our police and driving a nationwide crime wave. former police officer dan bon geno and the manhattan institute's heather mcdonald on what to do? the days of stick ball are long ball. this is the new game in chicago. that story next.

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. lou: democratic new york mayor bill de blasio's anti-stop and frisk rhetoric emboldening criminals in this country's largest city. stop and frisk encounters are about to fall more than 40% for this year. murders have already surged 20% year to date. shootings have climbed nearly 10%. the nypd conducted nearly 700000 stops in 2011. a number that has declined in each and every year since. joining us to talk about what is now a national crime spree

and a national war on law enforcement manhattan institute fellow heather mcdonald, the author of a recent "wall street journal" opinion piece entitled the new nationwide crime wave, and we urge you to read it. it is terrific. also with us former nypd officer, former secret service agent dan bongino good to have you with us dan. let's start with stop and frisk and impact on the street and its direct correlation. it's less frequent use to what is now a surge in crime spree. >> shootings are up for the second year in a row by now about 200% when you take into account last year's crime increase as well. and officers are uncovering guns in the most routine traffic stops, quality of life stops because criminals now know that their risk of being stopped and frisked to find a gun is way down. lou: and the idea, dan, that

police are afraid because of this -- it's an assault, a campaign led by the president of the united states the attorney general the top law enforcement officer, previously eric holder now loretta lynch. it's across the country. is that in effect saying to policemen, don't do your job because the charges in baltimore, they're scared to death to do anything and it back off. >> cops are rational maximizers like everyone else, lou, and they're scared. listen, they've become victims. police officers are victims of an ideological warfare going on, and this ideological battle of the left which sees crime as a societal problem a governing problem rather than an individual problem. the cops are victims of that. they're victims of that in new york and victims of it in baltimore by a portion of the democratic party that's taken over in these cities and it is

really apologizing for the chaos while holding the cops to a standard that is frankly impossible and dialing back because they're afraid in an everyday encounter where, they have no malicious intent they could wind up in handcuffs themselves. lou: you're saying the left is confounded because they don't know what to do. the police are doing exactly what they said they didn't like that, is policing so they're pulling back the police? >> right the left is furious at the arguments that, in fact, the crime spike we've been seeing in many cities is a result of depolicing, and blaming the cops for backing off even though the rhetoric has been a hysterical level of blaming cops for racism where going where crime isn't policing. lou: do any of the geniuses think there is a historical anthropological reason for having police in a society that it predates the nonsense divide

in this country between left and right? >> well, you know the left has always denied that police have an effect. they are committed to the idea that the only way to solve crime is to solve its alleged root causes which they say are poverty racism and income inequality. that theory was resoundingly disproven in the 90s and 2000's in new york, we brought crime down 80% without eradicating the left root cause. it turns out police do maintain order in neighborhoods where it has broken down, and they're essential, and the left doesn't want to recognize that. lou: do you think we want to see placards in the streets major cities across the country dan, heather, police do matter hold the sign up? >> i'd like a sign saying for police, black lives matter. lou: when you talk about

police, i'd rather you say for police, all lives matter. >> this is true. lou: and i can't imagine when you look at statistics of crime rate rising across the country, cops right now, what is the solution? what are we going to do to reverse what is an inspired president when it comes to hating on police in this country? >> sadly lou the solution for this is not on the streets right now. the solution's in the polling booths. policing is political like anything else. it's sad. i wish it weren't, but it's true, and when you have mayors of large inner cities with crime problems you have to remember the old saying, you know civilization is a thin crust on a volcano and the left keeps picking at that crust, and until you get rid of the people on the far left, not all the democrats, but on the far left that are picking at that crust, nothing's going to be

changed in the street. the crime rates continue to explode. lou: real quickly one thing that we can do right now to reverse what is a campaign against law enforcement in this country and a rising crime rate? >> the president should say the cops are not racist the law enforcement system is not racist. we need them, and listen to the inner city communities who say we want the dealers and pot smokers and trespassers off my streets. lou: heather and dan, thanks for being with us. >> thanks, lou. lou: be sure to vote in our poll tonight, the question is -- and now stunning video from chicago, this video taken by an onlooker in a nearby apartment above the street obviously, about a dozen teenaged gang members some wearing hoods to protect themselves were involved in a street battle using roman candles as weapons.

police broke up the fire fight after they received calls from nearby residents to investigate the gunshots. no one was injured. no arrests were made. police later downplayed the entire incident. the chicago police say when gangs have real disagreements they usually resort to guns. comforting analysis. up next get ready for the ride of your childhood dreams. "star wars," here they come! we're coming right back. sked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do.

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. lou: breaking news tonight, almost 200 firefighters are now battling a massive brushfire in lancaster california. located in northern los angeles county. the fast growing fire has burn more than 300 acres of brush and grass. firefighters are battling the blaze from land and air two, helicopters are dropping flame retardants on the blaze. temperature in the area about 80 degrees wind gusts up to 30 miles an hour. officials say no homes or buildings are as of right now threatened. on wall street stocks closing lower. the dow down 56 points the s&p lost 3. the nasdaq down 9. volume on the big board, 3.2 billion shares.

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lou: hillary clinton, well she's got lots of problems, but among them she sometimes seems like she's trying to incite somebody to riot. this is the democratic presidential candidate as she tries to fire up texas southern university in houston. >> what is happening is a sweeping effort to disempower and disenfranchise people of

color, poor people and young people from one end of our country to the other. [applause] all of these problems with voting just didn't happen by accident. and it is just wrong. today republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of american citizens from voting. lou: joining us tonight to discuss the former senator and secretary of state investigative reporter for the washington examiner, sarah westwood, joining us editor-in-chief of red state,. eric erickson and what do you make of her language eric? >> well it's good to know that in texas she brought her southern accent back. i'm sure it played with the crowd well. here's the problem for hillary clinton she mentions people of color, that was barack obama's coalition. and she realizes this is barack

obama's coalition, not the democratic party's coalition. they've turned out for him there's no guarantee they'll turn out for her, so she's got to incite them as best she can to turn out the vote. lou: and hillary clinton accusing specifickingically walker and christie -- specifically walker and christie and perry of a crusade against voting rights. does she really think that's going to work, do you think? >> it's sort of illogical to imply anyone would run on restricting voter rights. who would logically make that a campaign platform? these policies are meant to cut down on fraud and for her campaign to allege that they're not is sort of doing a disservice to voters. lou: but, of course that's the left position on voting rights and requiring voter identification to assure that you are lawfully voting as a citizen of the united states. it makes no sense to contravene that, but nonetheless people do. eric, the mainstream media going after marco rubio and none less

than "the new york times" itself, trying to make much of 17 traffic citations given to marco rubio and his wife. and it turns out not to be -- >> right. lou: well, it doesn't look like a two-person crime wave, does it? [laughter] >> let's just put this in perspective. marco rubio got four, so really this is an attack on his wife. he only got four in, i think the last 30 years. so for perspective, it turns out marco rubio and his wife, who live in miami, drive like people who live in miami. and "the new york times" apparently is horrified by this. but they're denying they got from this american bridge, but according to the washington free beacon, that's the only group that's requested marco rubio's driving record. so "the new york times" says a courier gave it to them, there's no record of a courier getting this information for "the new york times." it looks like a left-wing hit job by a group we know is composed to sport hillary clinton. lou: and the politics of this

administration right now, the president not running for re-election it's almost as if the national liberal media right now is giving this president is pass on everything; his passivity on eastern europe, the incursion by the russians, specifically vladimir putin the south china seas where he had the courage to fly one poseidon 8 surveillance antisubmarine aircraft over part of that sea. he's just, he seems to be in total withdrawal, and the national liberal media is saying nothing sarah. >> that's sort of not a new phenomenon. we've seen the national media sort of not go after him with the same sort of aggressiveness that they have other presidents like george bush. they have gone after his policies a lot more vigorously than president obama. but certainly now that the interest of the national media is shifting to 2016, whatever barack obama is doing in office is looked at through the lens of what does this mean for hillary clinton, what does this mean for the gop field and less on its

merits of what president obama is doing. lou: is there any question in your mind, eric that hillary clinton will not be the candidate despite all of the scandals, all of the baggage, all of the just simple disconnects between this candidate and what anyone would consider a decent standard? >> lou, i still actually do doubt that she's going to be the nominee. you know, they're still saying she hasn't officially announced or hasn't officially declared her campaign even though she has, like a tree falling in the forest with no one around. i think she's going to be so badly battered by december we're in june right now we've got six months to go, i still think there's an opening for another democrat to challenge her. lou: we'll see. eric thanks for being with us. sarah, thank you. >> thank you. lou: and our poll question, our results from last night's question, do you think the gop's focus on abortion, birth control, premarital sex, stem cell research and other social

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