that's our show. see you next time in our new time slot, 8:00 p.m. friday on fbn hello, i'm lou dobbs. president obama beginning yet another of his reversals. the president finding no profit in his previous pivot to asia. he's now looking back over his shoulder giving serious thought to a possible return to iraq and joining in the fight against the islamic state that he once promised you remember to destroy. the white house this week announced an obama-sized surge for iraq. the president ordering 450 of our troops back to iraq. the president not yet ready to rejoin the fight against the islamic state. those troops will only take up the training of iraqi forces who of course have already been trained by our military.

without good effect. also new warnings that as many feared the administration's desperate negotiations to reach a nuclear deal with iran is now driving a nuclear arms race in the middle east. our long-standing allies saudi arabia jordan the emirates kuwait and egypt now seeking the assistance of the russians and chinese to develop nuclear capabilities of their own. to counter what they believe to be the president's dangerous concessions to the iranians. general jack keane with his analysis and perspective on the issue. and president obama now waging a full-throated campaign trying to drum up public support for obamacare. and intimidate the supreme court. the president not embarrassed in the least as he tries to influence the high court to rule in his favor on the legality of obamacare subsidies. this time of course mr. obama trying to get people to forget

his famous empty promise that you can keep your doctor or his promise that premiums will go down. while he argues health care is "not a privilege but a right." we'll take up the case with two of our leading attorneys, rebecca rose woodland and wendy patrick. we begin with iraq. president obama ordered 450 additional troops to iraq's anbar province. joining more than 3,000 military trainers there already. the obama surge many comes days after declaring the administration lacked a complete strategy. my first guest tonight says the president's move is hopeful but far from deassessive. joining us is former army vice chief of staff, fox news military analyst general jack keane. general, you have been calling for some time for a return with high energy and purpose to iraq to achieve our goal. is this what you consider to be an important beginning?

>> no, it's quite a marginal effort. the sad thing is that isis really has declared war against the united states and our allies. but the united states truth be known, based on the resources and our will and our resolve, we're not at war with it's isis. certainly not the president nor the congress in the united states who never authorized the use of military force, and clearly not the american people. here we sit with 450 additional trainers which as you characterized will be helpful, but they're not going to make a significant difference. they're going to work with the sunni tribes which needed to be done months ago. it will be done now. we're going to train them we're going to take new recruits for a few weeks, and that's all we're going to spend with them with basic training. we go through months. you have to make a transition from a civilian to a seasonal. there's a physical psychological, and disciplinary factor that goes into that socialization process. this isn't even going to be close to that. and we're not going to spend any

time consequentially on the leaders. >> and iraq itself it is increasingly not only beseened but besieged but giving up territory to the islamic state. its influence, its territorial control, far greater than anything we could have imagined three months ago. what is it going to take to stop -- forget degrade and destroy and the rhetoric of this president, which was obviously empty. what is it going to take to just slow them down? >> well first of all, isis started out as a terrorist organization that morphed into a terrorist army. it probably numbers somewhere around 30,000 40,000. that seems formidable it's truly not. the fact is that they have expanded into syria and they've expanded territory into iraq in the years since we declared the fact that we're going to do something about this organization. the only way you can defeat this organization is with a decisive ground force that is very

effective. we do not have that in iraq. and we're taking half measures to attempt to achieve it. you know if you consider what the president is saying to us he does not want direct combat forces involved. so then he's dependent on the iraqi combat forces which we know have problems. then why aren't we all-in to help fix those problems and help them without having direct combat forces? that's the fallacy in this. succeedly, we have no ground combat force in syria. the third problem with it while all this has taken place, this is the danger involved here isis is expanding outside of iraq and syria. and clearly motivating people around the world to their cause to kill people in their own countries. this is a dangerous organization that must be stopped, it must be defeated but we still don't have a strategy to do it. >> we heard the for the first time that i can recall in this president's administration speak

bluntly, in fact using expletives after the president said that we don't have a complete strategy against the islamic state. some pentagon officials saying it's pure bunk. and that options and alternatives and plans have been submitted, none of which have been approved none of the choices made. >> no he speaks volumes for so many people at pentagon. the normal way to do this president says i want to defeat an enemy. pentagon and general officers prepare those plans with a lot of help in terms of various options and what the risks are associated with them that would lead to that defeat. none of that took place because the president at the outset said to the pentagon and to the leaders, i want to defeat them but here's what i don't want to have happen i want no boots on the ground. well what about advisers? no. what about tactical controllers forward? no. what about having apache helicopters and special operation forces on the ground? no. all of those things were taken off the table from the

beginning. now the pentagon has come back many times and offered other options to the president and the white house, all of those have been denied. >> what in your judgment will be the consequence of the path this president is on for iraq for the region? >> it's quite disastrous. i mean the united states' interest and the security of the american people are truly at risk here with the expansion of isis with the expansion of al qaeda, with the iranian situation and the direction it's heading using proxy wars to gain control of lebanon, syria, influence in iraq also yemen. now acquiring a nuclear weapon. we are in the most dangerous situation that i know of since world war ii that we've had in that part of the world. when you add to that that russia and china are also seeking regional domination at the expense of our allies and the united states' interests in the region in my judgment we have never had a period of time post-world war ii since the

rise of the soviet union with the significant security challenges that are in front of the president and in front of the american people. >> general jack keane, thank you. the secret service still a mess. and again making headlines with outrageous behavior. an unnamed agent has been placed on administrative leave following allegations that he was sexting, sending explicit sexual texts and lewd pictures, to an unnamed prominent washington, d.c. staffer. the secret service agent reportedly obtained the woman's telephone number while on security detail at an event with first lady michelle obama. and with all the constant scandals and security failures it's little wonder the secret service is having a hard time finding qualified candidates to fire. in their rush to hire new agents we learn today they've taken shortcuts. and perhaps created a dangerous, dangerous problem. dozens of secret service agents have been hired and posted so

quickly in sensitive positions and locations, including the white house, that they lack the proper security background checks and clearances. secret service officials, they blame a backlog of clearance investigations and they now claim fewer than a dozen agents still haven't received the appropriate clearances. last month, deadly crash of that amtrak train in philadelphia, a deepening mystery and its unexplained, unverified accounts of projectiles of some sort hitting that train, claims the engineer was using a cell phone at the time of the crash, that on impact he blacked out and doesn't remember what happened. well it turns out he did black out and while he says he doesn't remember that can't be verified. he did refuse to talk initially with investigators. and now federal crash investigators say the train engineer was not using his cell phone around the time of the crash. that train was going 106 miles

an hour going into a curve that's nearly twice the posted speed limit. the train derailed of course killing eight people and injuring dozens. the mystery deepens, the cause still not determined and the engineer not explaining any of it or choosing not to. we're coming right back. stay with us. why agitators are compare a pool party to demonstrations in ferguson and baltimore, here next.

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the mckinney texas police officer placed on administrative leave for his actions at a pool party has resigned. corporal eric casebolt became the target of demonstrations after video showed him forcing a black teenaged girl to the ground also briefly drawing his gun. he didn't get much support from his police chief who a short time ago said his actions were indefensible and out of control. hundreds last night marching compared to what happened in ferguson baltimore, and elsewhere. but bene embree a talk show host who is black, defended police.

he posted a message on facebook saying you've been hoodwinked bamboozled led astray a story showing seven minutes of a 30-minute ordeal makes it racial and activists come a-running. i live in this community and this entire incident is not racial. a few thugs spoil a community event by fighting. joining us the co-host, columnist for "the hill," juan williams. good to see you. >> always a pleasure. >> the idea that these professional activists are getting in on a suburban pool party and trying to create equivalencies to ferguson to baltimore, your thoughts? >> you know what outraged me lou? i saw people walking in this protest with their hands up. remember that from ferguson? which turned out by the way to be a bogus claim. remember that. okay. but that was exactly what they were doing for this incident down in texas as if you are

dealing again with a very difficult criminal situation, some poor black kids out of control. no. this is a suburban pool party. we don't know as you just heard from the man who lives in the community, a black man, we don't know what happened before we don't know what happened afterwards. i don't see that there was any need for the policeman to be sitting on a bikini-clad girl i don't know what she was hiding. the idea that he pulled a gun was over the top. nonetheless, the fact that people are taking this in a way that would allow them to exploit it as evidence of somehow police culpability in ferguson and new york and elsewhere, again, it just undermines their own credibility on this very important issue. >> you know policing in this country has gotten to the point that it is -- it's a very difficult job. always a difficult job. but now even more challenging. no support in most instances. what are we going to do about instilling among those people

whether they live in the suburbs of mckinney texas, or downtown baltimore, instilling respect for law enforcement officers so that the first reflex is not aggression is not confrontation, and is not disobedience to a law enforcement officer? >> this is a tough one. you know because look the reality is that lots of times when the police officer shows up in a lot of these communities -- not this one, not this suburban pool party. i'm talking about in urban, tough neighborhoods. poor neighborhoods. when the policeman shows up it's oftentimes the first time that any authority figure has intervened and tried to set some limits on bad behavior. and the response from a lot of the young people is oh you can't tell me what to do i'm going to show you who i am. that is so destructive. and of course it threatens the police which is -- i mean it just -- it sets off the whole

trauma. >> how do we instill in those young people get through all the sociology, all the reasons why kids have tough lives. lots of people have tough lives. they don't confront or go after a policeman or his weapon as we have seen. this is ignorance. and it is on display as some sort of great social demonstration. it is stupid whether it's an individual it is stupid whether it's a mob. and police should not have to put up with this nonsense because they are, after all, no matter how well trained, how well meaning, only human. >> that's a good point. i'm glad -- i think you should say it again, they're only human. in that situation by the way at the pool party with the suburban kid, there's no sense here that anybody was hiding it. still, i think the police officer's behavior indicates he felt threatened he felt the situation was out of control. he was trying to impose control and failing. he didn't know what to do. he overreactioned. but he was a human being who

felt threatened. i think sometimes if you don't stop and say, listen you need police somebody needs to impose order here we're going to be at a loss if our communities, especially poor minority communities that are anikted with high levels of violence are at a tremendous loss unless you can have the police trusted and act in a way that says we are trying to help you. >> here's the deal. the cops are the cops. we've got that part as a given. now it's time for folks to start respecting law and order in this country. what about black churches? what about public schools in this country? boys' clubs, girls' clubs. teaching young people all across the country, first thing you do is you respect authority. you don't adjudicate on the streets. you don't decide on the streets. you know leave that for later. first, don't get yourself killed don't get yourself or someone else injured. why go through this? why perpetuate this ignorance

and why aren't community leaders doing more to assure that it's tamped down and stops here? there's been enough tragedy. >> i couldn't agree with you more. let me just say, if you recently have paid attention to what's going on in baltimore with a very sharp escalation in terms of murders and chaos, because i think the police have pulled back. police have said any time they stop anybody, any time there's any kind of question -- >> the idiotic leaders of that city have given them no choice. >> that's what i'm saying to you. so i think that when you get into this situation and to reiterate what i said earlier, the people who need it most are the people who live in these dysfunctional, highly violent communities. so there has got to be a lesson here. i wish lou, i wish that those activists and leaders that we saw today out in texas for this pool party run amok were more likely to say, hey, look. why are black people killing black people? what's going on? why the dysfunction? let's protest and do something that can help ourselves. let's take some responsibility

here. >> you're signing up with the dobbs program to start instilling respect for law enforcement officers? >> you know what lou, i'm a black guy who lives in washington, d.c. who do you think is a bigger threat to me? the police? or one of these gang bangers coming by shooting acting crazy? choice number "b," lou. >> i gotcha. i was guessing on that. i think i had that right. >> that's yes like you, you're cute. you're fast. >> well -- did you say cute and fair? >> acute, acute. >> i was thinking cute and fair. that would compete with fair and balanced. >> well, that's tough. >> you better believe it would be. thank at lot, juan we appreciate it. up next my thoughts on a president who likes to call for moral action but never seems to be able to deliver the same.

a few thoughts now on the

president's attempted moral equivalency and implied moral superiority over the nine men and women who make up our supreme court. just one day after he slammed the high court for even daring to listen to a case that challenges obamacare, here is the president not only defending his signature law but demagoguing the issue. and insulting everyone who opposes obama care calls them cynical ideologues all of this in front of the catholic hospital association. >> -- health care is not a privilege, it is a right. there's something -- i have to say, just deeply cynical about the sealsless, endless partisan attempts to roll back progress. we have an obligation to put ourselves in our neighbor's shoes and see each other's common humanity. >> well mr. obama, who can't win on the facts, instead trying to convince people his moral

sense is much higher than might reasonably be expected of one who has lied over and over to the american people who has lied repeatedly knowingly, and purposefully in order to pass it into law in the first place. the president lied about how many people would benefit from obamacare. about keeping our doctors, about keeping our current insurance, about lowering the cost of health care about lowering the price of health care insurance premiums. this president, though claims his lies are not immoral or wrong, implicitly because he's not only righteous, he's right. >> it would be a lot easier for me politically not to do this iran deal but it's the right thing to do. >> saudi arabia egypt, jordan the emirates arab allies and israel strongly disagree that this so-called iran deal of the president's is the right thing to do. the president also trying the same nonsense in support of his

fiat on illegal immigration. >> some folks are still fighting against these actions. i'm going to keep fighting for them. because the law is on our side. it's the right thing to do. >> well the law's not on his side. in fact the fifth circuit court of appeals disagreed entirely just last month denying a justice department request to allow the president's amnesty fiat for illegal immigrants to go into effect pending appeal. that's where the president's latest project, the transpacific partnership, free trade so-called deal you guessed it. he says it's also the right thing to do. >> this is absolutely good for not just american businesses, but for american workers. and it's good for our economy. it's the right thing to do. >> wow. is it really right for this nation to continue to run up trade deficits? we've already run up 40 consecutive years of trade deficits under trade promotion authority and so-called free

trade deals. it's been very costly to our middle class. and by the way, those deficits utterly unsustainable, yet here we are 40 years in. and we built up an external trade debt of $17 trillion to boot. to have sacrificed the jobs and the quality of life of millions of americans who are the victims of such glib leaders who deny millions of americans the opportunity for prosperity. where is the morality when a president lies refuses to enforce our lies and who denigrates congress and our judiciary, who sneers at and then dismisses co-equal branches of government established by the constitution that he's sworn to uphold and to defend. our quotation of the evening now which offers some perspective on the petty politics that seem to have swamped washington in recent times. our quotation tonight, the words of one of my favorite

journalists. a great story teller. charles coralt of cbs who said there are a lot of people who are doing wonderful things quietly with no motive of greed or hostility toward other people or delusions of superiority.

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the president today resorting to what is a well-developed sense of

superiority to make his case to preserve obamacare one day after he blasted the supreme court for its decision to even consider this case. joining us now to help us better understand it two of the best attorneys in the business. defense attorney rebecca rose woodland and career trial attorney wendy patrick. good to have you all with us. let's start with the president trying to bully the supreme court, wendy. i mean is this -- will they be tempted to sort of show him who's co-equal? >> well the good thing about the supreme court is they are not tempted in any way by either side. their goal is to follow the law and that's why they are where they are. but what's especially egregious about this particular case is it's a pending case. it's not even something that's already been resolved one way or another. president obama wouldn't be the first lawyer to disagree with something a judge does. but while the case is pending this even made the remarks even more inappropriate than they already were. >> what do you think? >> i agree. the supreme court is a separate body. >> co-equal.

co-equal branch of government. >> co-equal. he is out of line by discussing a pending case. saying they shouldn't even have accepted the challenge, who is he to say that? they determine how they should. >> and he's saying everybody's a partisan nine judges that are just democrats -- why hasn't anyone in the national media pointed out to the president or why hasn't the president been man enough to say, these guys actually upheld obamacare three years ago. >> that's right. >> and had to torture logic, reason and the law itself and the language of that law to do it. >> well more facts of what have you done for me lately? three years ago is a long time. he even appointed two of these jurists. so this really isn't an arena -- >> i didn't know how this sentence was going to end. jurists. >> the issue is the supreme court, they have life appointments. they are not looking for political gain here. they're looking to preserve the constitutionality of the legislation or not.

and that's very important. and i think obama should step back and let them just do their job. >> the cop, turning to another subject, and that is the texas pool party that some fools are trying to raise to the level of ferguson or baltimore. the cop stepped down corporal eric casebolt. his police chief saying he was just wrong, period and that's it. what do you think? what are police going to do now? they're confronting these -- well whatever they are. >> well lou, you made a good point on the last segment. where we're seeing climate change is in the way that society looks at police officers. and that's too bad. because when police step down crime goes up. they should be able to enforce the law. they should respond to situations. what i think distinguishes what we saw on at least the portion of the videotape that went viral is was there an overreaction? that's what the chief of police just came out and said. but in general we want our kids to respect the police. >> absolutely. >> exactly. the police are there to maintain

order. yes, there are times that one individual may overreact. but in this situation, we are not seeing -- >> thank god no one got hurt. >> exactly. >> let's not make it racist. >> it's not a credit to those kids. they were as provocative and vulgar and insulting as -- no police officer should have to put up with that. >> no and what's difficult when you're looking at police conduct, we're looking at it in hindsight. we've got to look at it in foresight. what facts and circumstances were present to that officer at the time that made him believe he had to use that level of force? >> i've got to turn to the james holmes aurora colorado, the shooter in the movie theater. three jurors were dismissed because they talked about the news rebecca. >> i know. >> as if this were some sort of medieval court. what's going on? >> to put it in perspective, he didn't declare mistrial the judge. >> dismissed them. >> he dismissed only three but

retained the rest of the jurors and he had backup jurors. what the concern is is that when people watch the news they are influenced by things that may not be legal or factual or evidence in the case. so there's a very -- >> they're smart enough to decide a person's fate but they're too stupid to read a newspaper, to listen to a radio or watch television? >> no throughout the course of a trial usually, and we see this a lot with judges they want to maintain that the information and the facts are as presented in the courtroom. so whatever is determined to be legal within the rules of evidence. but in this matter i was very concerned that the judge was going to call a mistrial on a case where we cannot have this repeat -- i mean it's costly. and there's really no need for that. >> i know this is not going to be a popular idea with either of you. but shouldn't the legal system be less dependent upon a bunch of alternate jurors and really be respectful of the jurors they're bringing? of their time be more efficient in the way in which they

administer trials and the nonsense that a juror is not going to know what's going on from media sources. i guarantee you there's not a juror on any -- any juror who is absolutely virginal when it comes to information about his or her world, including the part of that world that's affected by that trial. >> that's right. i think the distinction here lou, and you make a good point, that is up till the trial starts everybody's on social media, you can't deny it. even the ones who claim they don't use it many do. the prosecutor got in trouble for tweeting during this trial. >> he said it was incorrect. >> he said it was an accident. but everyone's on their devices. at least we can agree on that. but once the trial has begun we're really in a very different perspective. >> you are. i'm suggesting you all get out of it. you get the last word. >> no i just have to say, lou, you have to respect the judge. if he's asked them to please not watch the news on this subject, you know as a juror, please don't. because there are reasons for

it. >> all right. i just ask you all to think about it. >> okay. >> rebecca, thanks so much. wendy, thank you. in london a 24-year-old daredevil becoming the first person to stand atop wembley stadium's iconic arch. james kingston scaled -- whoa look how high -- 440 feet is high. that landmark he scaled in two hours, despite having a previous -- this is hard to believe -- that he had a fear once of heights. the only thing stopping him from falling to the ground is you see him there, a maintenance cable around his waist. kingston made it look easy but it took a team of more than 30 safety and security professionals over three months of meticulous planning before his climb was allowed to take place. up next a manned mission to mars gets closer to reality. we'll have that for you next, stay with us.

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kinds of breaking technologies and a super sonic parachute that will be required to land heavy payloads and eventually astronauts on mars. breaking news tonight. the army says it temporarily took down its website after a group calling itself the syrian electronic army hacked eninto the site and posted messages. those messages demanding the united states stop training rebel fighters inside syria. well concerning last week's cyber attack as well 4 million federal employees, the worst cyber attack in the government's history, president obama today promised that our significant vulnerabilities will be even worse. with that joining us tonight, cyber security expert ceo of main nerve, bruce parkman. cyber security expert. great to have you here. i cannot tell you how motivated, how inspired and reassured i am that the president of the united states has said in the face of these aggressive cyber attacks

and increasingly successful cyber attacks that it's going to get worse, period. he didn't even say it was going to get better he said it was going to get worse. what do you make of it? >> thanks for having me on the show. first of all, you and i have been to school. you know what happens when the schoolkid tells the bully to stop leave me alone, is whining. the bully kicks him all over the place. that's what we have done emboldened the world to come after us by telling the world that our i.t. oar tech tours that are heavily depended on by the government for our national secrets are antiquated weak and vulnerable. this is unamerican. and absolutely it represents a very immature approach to national security to me. >> immature approach. one in which the president implied that it's the pentagon's fault. he's saying we're going to have to at some point be better we're going to have to be more nimble as nimble as those who are right now successfully attacking this country's digital assets of which there is a

historic treasure trove and much of that is being peddled across the web straight into the hands of china and in some instances russia. >> lou, it's a difference between being nimble and being allowed to be nimble. i believe that our military and its capabilities have been held hostage and held down and not allowed to do what they're supposed to do to protect this nation. we have the capabilities. the military has spent billions of dollars on establishing new commands new authorities, new capabilities. what i fear right now is that we're not being allowed to use them. we're constantly being hit in the face by these other nations. we have the capabilities not even militarily. we can use diplomatic and economic means as we've discussed to go ahead and at least push back to the chinese or the north koreans or any other hacker group out there and let them know we mean business or this army website, there's absolutely a clear case right now for cyber warfare. we should be attacking isis websites and taking them down. i mean these attacks are not

that hard to perform and we're not allowing our military to do it. >> and we should be winding up russia and china every time they attack and i mean every time they attack u.s. digital, internet-based servers. i mean this is insane. it was only two years ago the president said it would be considered in certain cases an act of war to do what the chinese and the russians continue to do with impunity. >> lou, i think we're seeing this tepid response is basically a response to the potential economic and strategic dialogue that's supposed to take place here in the near future with the chinese government. and no matter where you come from a tepid response is seen as an act of weakness. k.t. mcfarland mentioned the paper tiger syndrome. we need to act with resolution. if the dialogue goes to hell so be it. we need to let the chinese know

we mean business and we need to demonstrate that with force. right now we're just being pushed around. it's a shame. >> are you certain that we have the capability to take on each of these adversaries? >> lou, mutually assured destruction worked for years during the nuclear war. and it's because we both knew russia and the u.s. knew we could completely obliterate each other. i think the chinese know that we have the capability to do them harm. now, my best estimate is we have that capability. i mean we are very resourced. as i mentioned last friday. we have the means to do so. it's the resolve that we're lacking right now to at least show them that we could use them. and that's causing them to just do whatever they want and push us around all over the world. >> then i'll say what you are clearly implying. right now we're acting like when i say we the united states government we're acting like damned fools putting up with it. bruce, we appreciate it. unless you want to argue with that last conclusion.

>> no sir, i completely concur. thanks for having me on the show. >> thank you as always. up next a blow for bush's super pack. governor jeb push's super pac. he's having some fund-raising problems. we take it all up all things 2016 here next.

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pulitzer prize-winning columnist, fox news contributor of the "new york post," michael goodwin. former reagan political director republican strategist and fox news contributor, ed raw lips. >> whatever. >> hare you're going to give me trouble here. just because i can't talk. >> just happy to be here. >> it's great to have you both here. let's start with this customerkerfuffle, new york daily news going after bill bratten said he's having trouble bringing people in to train as police officers because they're african-americans primarily who have criminal records and they can't fire him. >> bill bratten should spend another month in italy. you don't want to make those kinds of comments. michael had a great column the other day. he's now being political. he's one of the great law enforcement officers of the country. he's what many people praised, that he was going to be the

safety net. now he's becoming political and i think that's the wrong thing. >> what do you think of the comment? because in point of fact as i said tonight, there's a 2013 labor department study says this is a major barrier for many african-american primarily men to get a job at all in this economy. because of criminal records. >> well, the original comment as it was reported that he said this but that he also said or at least implied, that this was unfair because the police had been unfair. and then he seemed to be walking that part back. look i'm with ed on this. i think bratten is out of his lane in a lot of ways here. i think he's at war with the two newspapers the "new york post" where i work the daily news. those are the most pro-police newspapers in new york. and he's at war with them. because they're writing about crime. and he wants to pretend that the crime thing is not significant yet. nobody in the city feels that

way except he and mayor de blasio. >> riddle me this. you think he's getting political. this is a commissioner that served as commissioner for rudy giuliani the republican mayor of the city, and now is working for a communist mayor in new york city. it seemed to me when he walk the in the door he was pretty political. >> i think he was anxious to return. i think one of the black marks, even though he was a great commissioner who was here the first time he did get walked out the door. it was sort of an ego battle with him and rudy giuliani. went to l.a. a great police chief there, great police chief in boston. i think he wanted to come back and do the job here. i think the critical thing is he's got to do the job and not worry about the politics. >> speaking of politics jeb bush is having trouble -- they decide they had were going to tell everybody they were going to raise $100 million. and the super pac is having some trouble. now, they've said they're going

to get $100 million, now they're saying they're in trouble but they won't tell you how much trouble they're in. they doesn't look transparent on the part of the folks there at the super pac. what do you make of it? >> i think jeb bush and hillary clinton are two peas in a pod in a lot of ways for a lot of voters which is their names now, their histories are something of a dead weight. they're both as i understand it having some trouble raising money. there's not a lot of enthusiasm for either one of them at this stage. >> you know i don't think -- certainly i'm no fan of dynastic politicians of any kind. michael's being a little rough there. looks to me like right now we could safely say the clintons are the most politically corrupt family in american history. do you see them relying that much with the bushes? >> i think the premise is correct in the sense there's a fatigue factor on both sides. republicans are sort of tired of the bushes. at least the republicans i talk to. and he's having a great deal of difficulty with conservatives. the one advantage he was always going to have is a 30-year

history of raising money. i think whatever pac number $25 million, $50 million more than anybody else has, but end of the day the money's not going to get him there. there's a lot of people who don't want another bush and there's other attractive candidates that are going to get their money. >> i want to have a serious, honest conversation about the alliance between republicans and democrats with you gentlemen tonight. because we're going to get a vote friday on the trade issue that the president so desperately needs. but which john boehner has to push him to really want. it looks like the republicans have aligned with the democrats and are going to do the chamber of commerce's bidding and pass the trade agreement, the so-called free trade agreement, which we know will cut jobs. we know that it will slow economic growth. that's just a matter of economic fact. how in the world can the republicans do this? >> well you know an old late great friend of mine sid zion used to say about the two-party

system in albany state capital of new york it's two parties against the people. i think that we see that in a lot of capitals including the nation's capital. when people go to the capital, they lose touch with the district. even when they're in the house -- >> they're never going to be chamber of commerce. >> because it takes a lobbyist to get to them. >> my problem with this issue is we have not been out of line with the democrats or president and the white house. they basically see a president that's grabbing power. it came out the immigration element of this bill is outrageous -- >> would give the president absolute executive action authority on the issue of immigration. >> so you know the democrats are in a bad place from the perspective that their constituency groups don't want it i think to a certain extent the fact that they only have 25 votes up is outrageous. i think republicans ought to demand you put half the votes up we'll put half the votes up. for to us pass a bad piece of legislation because we're tree

traders is appalling to me. >> it's pretty clear both parties' leaderships at least are trying to tell the american people go to hell on this one. thanks for being here. appreciate it as always. [ dynamic music plays ]