[laughter] and there he goes. so thank you very much, everyone for staying with us some gripping television. our time is regrettably up, but, neil, look what i'm giving you. >> great stuff. you can't get better than that, stuart, in case you didn't hear. donald trump is running for the president of the united states, and if he sticks in this race and there are a lot of details and paperwork to be filed, he would be the first billionaire since ross to make a run for it. now, as much as people dismiss his comments, as they did for ross back in 1992, before the panelists were saying, he was leading in all the polls. he landed out election when he did bow out to bill clinton. that was then. this is now. say what you will of donald trump. he has hit a nerve and as charlie just pointed out, he is a junkyard dog who does not give up. now, polls have shown that

donald trump is around the 2.3% level which wouldn't even qualify at 10th place as all things stand now, but i also want to remind you that when michael bloomberg was considering a run for mayor of this fine city of new york, some years back, he wasn't polling very well. but all that money, all that provided for a lot of ads and the constant in this city turned republican, turned independent, for mayor, and for a good three terms in a row, he was. so for those of you who are going to dismiss the real estate developer who says he's worth more than $9 billion, do so at your own perfectly. this is a man that is full of creditors and has risen from the ashes time and time again, pretty good trader and a man that calls it as it is. you may not like the way he calls it or how he's calling

it or his ego, but be that as it may, he is in and this race is completely changed. blake berman on the trump plate. >> hi, neil, this was one thousand one, one thousand two liner after next. luxurious setting that we are in here at the trump tower, and talked about how nobody would be sweating. that was clearly a reference to rick perry's speech he said couldn't plan out announcement speech how go on to beat isis and went on to say how current leaders many of them are just in his words stupid. he said in dealing with some of these leaders especially with china, he say it is china is like the new england patriots and tom brady and our lead ergs are like the high school football team. he talked about here at the trump tower how many of these candidates. establishment candidates running for president they come here to this very tower and beg him for money. donald trump insinuating at that

point that basically he has the control over them. speaking of money, during this donald trump his now campaign put out a news release that listed asset and net worth. it tallied up to 8.7 billion dollars and what the trump campaign says is nieces net worth. normally leaders who are or candidates i should say who are running for president millionaires, multimillionaires worth hundred it is of millions kind of back off that. try to associate themselves with, you know, not those millions. trump embraced it. wholeheartedly saying i'm a billionaire i'm successful, and that is exactly what the country needs. take a listen here. >> i'm really rich, i'll show you that, by the way i'm not saying that to brag. that is the kind of mind set that is the kind of thinking you need for this country. >> i'm really rich.

he is, and that was part of his announcement neil i want to point out when i was talking to trump campaign officials earlier this morning, they told me that it was going to be a 12 to 14 minute speech. no teleprompter, just bullet points unofficially here i had it somewhere in the area of about 47 minutes he kept going on and on. >> his moment today. without prompter. >> not -- without prompter we were told it would be bullet points an you may remember at one point when he said i'm running for president of the united states, the music came up kind of like a movie script like any other announcement he said the person running audio and said you know, lower that. and it went on from there. [laughter] >> i know just now they were playing a phantom of the opera in the backgrounds after neil young, so he's ac egg -- thank you very much. >> has been interesting.

>> you put it will mildly. temptation is to dismiss him out the gate. but the fact that is that more than half of the country in the country don't vote. they're frustrated don't trust either party, and a lot of people are betting that donald trump whether he's the catalyst for it is taping that nerve. that anger resentment a billionaire who feels the wrath of average folks that the system is broken, that china has the better of us. mexico has the better of us, middle east stations have better of us and we'reed for fools and that both parties have done it whether that could be to independents run of the part of donald trump and fail to get republican nomination is anyone's guess. but the fact is he is a force to be reckoned with. rebecca national journal reporter on who those voters might be. now, right now rebecca, he polls it in low single digit to put it mildly but as i mentioned with michael bloomberg when he started running he did as well in this fine city until he started using his money and sort

of pumping out those ads. again and again and again. >> exactly. yeah, well trump is polling at 5% right now. that is better than what some people view as more serious candidates like senator lindsey graham. governor jindal. kasich, he's really doing better than them, and what the republican party or what some members of the republican party are worried about is that he could be on the debate stage that 10% cap to beat stage on fox. and they're concerned that he'll shut out more serious candidates. >> when we talk about more serious candidates and someone comes from the outside, and in his case he's outside the political petry dish but the successful businessman wort $9 million i guess we can get particulars for that. but fact of the matter is -- he's very accomplished now he has to show he's more than just a flame thrower but what does he go back to? that business background how he

goes about the art of the deem, what? >> you heard hmm him say it i'll be the best president that god has ever created there are people who really think finally someone is paying attention us to and finally talking about something i want to hear. and they have the bona fides to back it up. people i spoke with all over the country, they view trump as someone who can rlg jump start an economic renaissance not just say that. but you know they have the background to really prove that. >> all right, now a lot of people going into that background and finances and wrap about him not wanting to run is because people would start closely scriewts nicing his wealth and how he attained it in private company hold technician. s he's claiming that, you know, assets say it is north of 9

billion. my assets are more than that. people are going to start going through that with a fine tooth comb. 9 billion or one 1 or 189 billion it is in the billions. how does average americans respond it that? >> i think the reality of it is there are people who liking trump and they don't really mind those parts about him. there are people who are never going to vote for trump and all of that information starts coming out, particulars of his finances, they weren't going to vote for him anyway. 74% of gop primary voters -- say they would never vote for him. and not to mention in the general election if he for got to that point. 71% of the american public has an unfavorable view of him. he's highest pun favorable right of any candidate since 1980s. i think while we can talk about how this will affect him people

are decided on trump, he has that such high name recognition that they're not still forming opinions on him. >> i don't know about that. we shall see. thank you very much. mcdowel now on how donald trump goes about changing that perception if it is a negative perception. if it is that he's a ruthless boss. does he have to change that, how does he sell what is -- you know, a lot of red meat to voters who are fed up particularly independent voters those who have given up on the system and don't vote at all. >> neil by breaking about how much he's worth. he really does touch on the american dream that many people have lost touch with. isn't that what america used to aspire to? i want to be something big. i want to put my name on a building on a golf course. i want to set out and make my own way, and i want to get rich doing it. that is something that is really interesting that he's bragging about it in the speech. in an era when wealth gap has

gotten wider and wooder with wealthy candidates play down that their rimps not talking about their riches you look at a mitt romney even a john kerry, of course, marrying into money. but it was something that ftion well -- frankly to be ashamed of and donald trump are is exactly the opposite. does he -- how does he connect being worth billions of dollars to average american person? he has to tap into that dream and say, you can do this too. you want to own all of this property, you want to be famous? well, civil show you how. that is the message to focus on. >> thinking back to john f. kennedy that his father would never buy him a landslide. rich family, franklin roosevelt family one of the richest in the country at the time. there's a history to wealthy individuals you know, climbing to that post. but usually via some public office along the way.

and then senator kennedy case as a senator and congressman and roosevelt case as a governor of the fine state of new york. not so in donald trump's case will that lack of political experience hurt him? >> it might hurt him. but again, it will hurt you as much if you have political experience, right? how many time have you heard we don't want to do senator in the white house at least from the republicans, at least on the right. in recent history, we've had more modest presidents get elected to the white house. of course you can't forget jimmy carter to paint up from plains. bill clinton to name another one. president obama made his money by writing -- by writing books. and then of course hillary clinton talking about being in her words dead broke when bill got out of the white house because all of the legal bills that they had. it has been a mixed bag recently. state of the nation is interesting right now where you have a really war on the rich. much focus and --

on the democratic party. ferghts right by raising taxes. it is going -- you know what, he's going to have everyone on the ropes and he polls no punches, and he's very harsh in the way that he can speak and it is going to make, well everything exciting. [laughter] rings interesting. my rule of thumb of this is when everyone in the media discounts someone, i immediately start paying attention and when everyone thinks someone else is praises or think that is a given i immediately say maybe not. but we shall see. thank you very, very much. let's see i was speaking to united airlines what do we have? >> donald trump at part of the speech has nothing to do with trump but new york airports. apparently united airlines has been losing money for 7 years. at jfk airport, here in the ark backing out stop doing business there and transfer that business across the river to new jersey. where it has a large presence of newark. and along at the stock today to see the reaction of it basically

this looks like a swap united delta move into the kennedy slot that united had. take the delta slots over at newark see the stock down lower. so there you have it. >> connell thank you very, very much. we have more reads on donald trump in the race and now this changes things. you remember yesterday covering the news just breaking that greenburg had supposedly won a victory that is from a judge that said when the government took over a pirks g it did go too far. the problem for greenberg is that he didn't get any money off of that. that judge agreed that the government went too far but he didn't get a penny from that confession. greenberg done? guess not -- after this.

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common core should -- it is a disaster. bush is totally in favor of common core. i don't see how he can possibly get the nomination he's weak on immigration he's in favor of common core. how the hell can you vote for this guy? you just can't do it. >> all right he's in the race, and everything has changed now as far as sheer suspense. someone saying entertainment because donald trump run of the richest people in the planet is now throwing his hat into the ring. but also taking out virtually all a of the republican candidates along with him. so i always think if he does not get nomination someone like a jeb bush does do they keep playing that comment in a loop. that loop after loop. all right i have my buddy charlie gasparino on this trump news. what do you think of it? >> best campaign speech i've ever seen in my life. it was amazing, it was show, though. i mean, i take donald serious as

a businessman he's a serious market. he's probably best marketer in the world. i think at bottom this whole white house thing is to market the trump brand. that i think is what hets -- >> part of the deal is the signature book on how you negotiate with anyone. and you could use that if a launching fad to get your way. >> maybe, if i take him at face value he's a tough negotiator. >> but you also mentioned comment junk yard dog. >> i know donald and i like donald but this the last guy you want to get into an argument with. you know, he was sued -- he sued an said he wasn't worth a lot of this money. >> yeah, it was a "new york times" report herb he sued him for years. for years but he made this guy's life miss miserable for questioning that. >> but that running russ had a screw loose that is my opinion. i think he flaked out at the

end. >> by then he was leading that -- george bush senior. >> i don't think donald is a flake. donald is a brilliant marketer maybe best marketing man we've seen. look around the city. >> how does he market that in an iowa where he's going today? >> that is not -- i don't think -- presidency to donald, my belief is a consolation price he'll take it if even given it and move his family into the trump hotel across the street from the white house got more better bigger rooms you know, who knows. >> the white house purely for entertainment. >> this is about keeping the donald trump brand making it bigger. people say why does he need to make it bigger that is what he was born to do. a born marketing guy he's made his living. disagree, i love you like a brother. i think he's serious. i think this is a serious bid with serious intentions, he knows the risk when you put your whole financial life out there that people pick up our guys --

and i think that that is not a halfhearted effort. >> you might be right. i don't know what goes on in his brain cells but i'm thinking this is 50% serious and 50% there's a no loose component here. >> how i want to touch on this quickly. how he would take on the china -- when i look at the dow high today, and this notion that we need people who are going to hear business communities. >> he made some i think some stupid remarks on trade and talk about why a company like ford might relocate to mexico. that was off-base. they would relocate. >> pick up the phone and get your hiney back. >> lower taxes for them and get rid of the unions all of that sort of stuff that is why they moved down there. >> that is what he would provide that atmosphere. >> maybe, i don't think so i think he's putting the owners on ford. but other part of is what i liked about it where it is serious. it was aspirational, and hit on

this american people why don't american people watch business news because they want to learn something to make their economic lives better. and what he said which fight was sailing like, listen i made a lot of money. i'm not running away from it. that is what you should try to do. >> embrace. today how would he do if he can be that tenth player? >> i'm tell you you don't want to get into the mud with this guy. this guy is -- people talk about me hitting below the belt. [laughter] this is just the beginning. >> all right i did promise we remember going to get to bloomberg. something we did and we will. i want to focus on developments this hack team. how or far reaching this gets now it involves baseball teams i'll leave it that too incredible for words. dow up 84. we'll have more after this.

>> all right, now is this the trump high i want to refer to

you this it is possible, possible that a lot of this momentum was donald trump should pause that, he is announced for president. but a lot of that had to do with a chance of angela merkel saying thursday is the day greece is in this or not in this. we have a deal or don't have a deal that might have pushed the dow into this positive high. keep in mind a lot of people say they want this greek tragedy to at least conclude one way or the other. some sets of assurance. so that might be doing it donald trump could and probably will. take credit for that search. connell on baseball hacking in the meantime. connell what the heck is going on? >> forget about the chinese hackers when they go after if baseball teams go after each other that will get us talking about donald trump for a few minutes this is a fascinating story. "new york times" outlined and basically it is simple. they're saying that gi and justice department are investigating state lewis

cardinals baseball team one of the most successful in baseball. one of the most respected franchise and the accusation that they hacked into an internal network of another team. houston astros, apparently some internal network to watch video and stats an major league baseball put out a statement about this saying they've been aware, and they've been fully cooperating with full investigation into the illegal breach of the astro's baseball operation database once the process has been completessed, they're going to evaluate next steps and they're going to make decision promptly. now here, neil other part about this is may be personal. because this is -- name jeff lewno, o general manager of the astros for years this guy had been working the cardinals organization. as, you know, assistant working his way up. got a big job he works for astros cardsals hacking into the old guy's computer network we'll see where it goes. >> is anything sacred boy scouts

hacking, you know, so weird. all right. connell thank you very, very much. and sometimes you have to look at what is going on in the police world that we live in thrice in my case circling the qag gone. because jerry willis now with a bush to ban all not just some but all transfats. jerry spell it out. >> one in three years have all artificial transfats gone from our food an i have to tell you already that companies are taking out 86% of transfats. so they are well dodge the road. here are the kiengdz p kiengdz of food some of my favorites that are impacted. pie crust. biscuit for goodness sakes many microwave popcorn. coffee creamers, frozen pizza you name it you know how this fat is used. neil used to make things taste good. the fda aparnghtly in its wisdom is not interested in that. it causes heart disease, they're trying to get rid of it. i spoke to folks with the grocery manufacture's

association today, they say they're onboard and what they're doing already, though, is preparing a memo to fight back on -- some foods so that they can use transfats in some thing. to have a salt icon to indicate those that might have a higher salt content than this idea that we have a couple of years back after big sodas. now push in california some cities to ban sodas outright what is the world coming to? >> it is not good. i want to tell you what mcdonald's had to say it be this. they say some of our products do contain transfats interesting point some of these transfats naturally occur in beef and chicken some are artificial in recent years worked to reduce artificial transfats in many of our menu items so that is what mickey d's has to say.

i say if you touch -- if you so much as touch fat back, i'm coming for you that is what i group on the south. it is in everything. chef like mario call it lardo it is good. >> twinkies, maybe trump has perfect timing. we'll ask him what he makes of all of this. thank you verify jerry willis we were thinking about donald trump he has a lot of money. one of the few billionaires who doesn't -- you know, hold that back. and try not to remind folks like the irs just how much money he has. this guy goes quite the opposite way, and really brags about how being a net worth of 9 million and presidential candidate going line by line through all of that. steve moore on what we might find out and what one donald trump might regret, after this.

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>> all right on a day that donald trump was talking about how he would conduct nation policy but resurrecting this trade deal and president trade authority in the united states so to have up and down votes on this thing something that embarrassingly wect down to defeat last friday there's no action on it today. the president and speaker boehner agreeing that it is simply not going to happen that the votes are simply not there on the part of democrats who

want to support this or republicans who want to add attachments to this. no trade deal today but they hope to get one. people asking me the same question and e-mailing same question. what is the big deal if we don't get a trade deal? what is next 18 months of this administration things are kind of status quo with our asian trading partners what will that mean? fine state of ohio, what would that mean, senator what are your thoughts? >> enemy thanks for having me on kind of a crazy situation where you democrats vote against the trade package that they typically support the strong ears to ensure those displaced by trade get help from retraining i support that too by the way. as do other republicans too bad that didn't get passed that is an important part of the total package. if we don't patch this what happens is last several years america on the sidelines. and one reason i support both more exports and ensures there's more level playing field which is what donald trump and i agree

on is because we want to be sure there are farmers and workers have a fair shot competing internationally. when united states cannot include agreement request country is they make agreements with themselves an they leave us out. that means that our market share shrinks so that farmers an my state of ohio, we sell about a thursday of what they produce in ohio overseas. 60% of our biggest crop soybeans sold gorse but 30% of factory jobs now exfort jobs. we ship 25% of our jeep wrangler out of ohio overseas. those people are losing ability to compete. >> if a deal isn't enacted that is because the position is done, i don't know if you caught the 15 minute announce turned into a 42 minute announcement we're on defense and arguing that all of these countries china included, japan included, even extended to mexico they need us a lot more than we need them. and we're always going down to

their wishes afraid they're going to do something against the case of china but stop buying our debt. his argument it was where else do they go? be but that they're wimpy woozy on that. what do you make of that? >> here's the deal i've talked about trade issues we tends to agree a lot on leveling the playing field but we do not have a trade agreement with china nor do we have with japan. 10% of the world 10% of the global gdp we have 47% to the 10%. over half or our exports from that 10%. so agreements to open up more markets to our products by forcing them to lower barriers to treat us fairly that is a good thing. at the same time, though, we've got to have better proition haves in our law to ensure what they send us stuff, it is fair. not illegal. >> not cheap. >> taking it to the next leal on this show many, many times is if china ever threatens us husband line is we'll stop bying your crap. his way.

might be a little abrupt or blunt. but i always think senator that hits the kortd cord with many americans slapped around here. do you agree when it comes to trades deals of any sort? realways a think it is short end of the stick. >> our market provides us lerchl but i was pushinghearted to get currency and manipulation into a trade agreement. why because that is where we have negotiating with other country for access it our market. now let's be honest -- manipulate currency to they the better part of the trade with us. but go ahead. >> if country enters into trade agreement with us they lower their tariff but if they ma anymore late their currency it takes away many of the benefits you get in the trade agreement but lowering the exforts us to are less expensive than they should be.

and our exports to them are more expensive than they should be. some countries do this and in a deliberate way by intervening and manipulating currency definition under international monetary fund not me or you saying it but a definition of this. saying let's put teeth into thatting and enforce that. that way you have more pex ports out but a 34-r level playing field. that is the ambulance and we have to get to that as republicans and democrats. >> senator i think what donald trump was saying don't that, you're fired. [laughter] our impression. senator thanks. >> thanks neil. >> senator state of ohio, all right we were talking about donald trump and on the race and that he would be richest candidate at least on paper. to run for the presidency. although steve moore i don't know about inflation whether that applies to franklin rosie or john f. kennedy but he's a rich guy and that is closely scriewt is niced but rather than

on defense donald trump is on offense about it. i'm rch what are you doing about it? trchg one of the things i was thinking about what he was made this announcement is you think about this. if neil, if donald trump were to become next president, two americans with the biggest whale size ego in america would be back to back presidents. that would be an amazing -- >> oh. >> donald trump one that is extremely attractive about donald trump as as a candidate he's a man of accomplishment he's run a business and meatdz billions of dollars, hired and met payrolls of -- you know, tens of thowtion of workers. i think americans deserve and want someone who has done something in the private sector and has -- >> guys enterprising to go line by line on a spread sheet it is a private enterprise, mostly trump owns so they have to be opened up not fully but enough so people say wait a minute you're not worth $9 billion. i don't know how it is geng to go. but i know how ugly this can be

and why successful men and women don't go for it because they're over the cove. pig -- said that times ago. >> obligated to report. do you know? a lot of candidates release tax returns. about all of them. >> i don't believe that this is a -- this is a federal regulation that he would have to release all of his tax returns. now there would be a huge public question for him to do that. but look if he want it had to decide i'm only going to give people minimum of what i own and private business is my own private business here's why i'm ready to leave. not endorsing him for president but i think this is an important edition to the race. >> by the way we can show you something. this is something that donald trump was with a chart that we showed on this network. showing about 9 a quarter billion or dallas in assets. he said no, no we're showing

that there because these are figures that we have readily available. donald trump is saying that is my net worth with track my liabilities, i am worth $9 and a quarter billion dollars. i have no idea. but it says something about a billionaire argue i'm worth more than you're saying i'm worth substantially more than you're saying i'm worth. this is same guy after "forbes," and others who guys tengd to hide from that to not get attention of irs or whom after. but think about the type of candidate. you know? >> i find that actually refreshing. you know, i think that the idea what in the world is wrong with making money in the country and becoming a billionaire? he should champion that and say i've been extremely financially successful. wouldn't it be something if we have a krerks oh of america who knows how to make money, and knows not to lose money and to run hundreds of billions of dollars of deficit. i think that business is such a

huge asset and one of the things a problem with our presidential candidates on both sides the aisle and members of congress so few have business experience whatsoever. >> could come in handy. >> i always try to keep it minimal for members of congress and you know addition and subtraction start with that and take it from there. money in, money out. thank you very much. ghood seeing group >> this guy might be able to balance the budget. >> might get the money part of it. >> for two billion short you can throw in a few dimes of his own. donald trump got his large or through real estate and real estate is what seems to be largely coming back. numbers today that support that, others that don't. katrina campens after this.

>> breaking news on "cavuto: coast to coast" and st. louis cardinals baseball team just released a statement about that story we told you about earlier in the hour. cardinals accused of fbi and justice department looking into

accusations may have hacked into another system. astros well cardinals are aware of the investigation into the security breach at the houston astros database. team has fully cooperated with the investigation. we'll continue to do so. and gip that this is an ongoing federal investigation it is not appropriate for us to comment further. so not much from cardinals, but neil as question told you earlier in the hour interesting story and that the guy, gm now, astros used to work for cardinals see where it goes. >> intriguing thank you connell very, very much. more real estate news, that real estate donald trump announcing he's running for president of the united states. one of those bad news good news things. first give you reported to be the bad news that housing starts and down about 11.1%. but but april revised up and they make permits assign future construction activity they were up about 11.8% that is a fastest pace of we've been seeing for -- for this soft thing since 2007. right before the so-called real

estate melt down. katrina campens joining us right now. first on the housing news, good news you're in ground zero of that momentdown not so melting down anymore. what do you think of this latest news? >> well even though the may home starts number were a little bit disappointing, the permit numbers were actually much higher than expected. which indicates that home starts will definitely continue to rise this year. >> which is more important to you katrina? someone who follows this very closely, what matters to you? >> well, i think it is important to know that even though the main numbers were down overall we're up 6% year to date. and our supply which is important to note is only 4.8 months of supply, and as we all know in the healthy market it is about 6 months supply. and about a year ago at this point in time, we actually had about 5.6 months of supply. so overall i think that the main

numbers can be a bit deceiving. i think what is more important to note is that we're up that supply is still tight that we have 3.1 americans that have gone million americans back into the job market allowing for more growth and interest rates are still low even though we've gone up a slight bit recently. we're still historically low. overall -- >> right if jobs are holding and particularly waimgs and company going up. that is really wind at the back for housing. you don't get that. you don't have much wind, right? >> job growth is extremely important. because the minute that people go back into the work force they start to spend more money on homes, and whether it is renting or buying, because let's keep in mind that the rental market is also continuing to be very strong which is why a lot of these contractors are actually not only building homes, but they're building apartment complexes, so that they canout lies those as rentals but a great indicator that we're helicoptering to move forward

with housing market that our economy is continuing to do well. >> quickly you had been on apprentice you know donald trump more than a lot people. do you think he's serious about this presidency run? >> i think he is and i think he's frustrated about the state of our country, and why i'm really excited about this is because, you know, having known him over ten years now, accountability is key for him. so he does what he says he's going to do, and i think that he'll bring a different level of respect and pride back to this country. as you noticeds he was speaking, he's using the word we as most of the candidates used i, so i think that is a big indicator that he wants to do this with the american people, and he's a great businessman. and i'm excited for that because there's a businesswoman, i want our country to continue to do well economically. >> he did use the word i as well. i will stress that but a great marketer as well as his business record is there proven for itself. katrina good sighing you thank you very, very much.

i want to switch to capitol hill something we're following something going on today. that is this security briefing that is behind closed doors. it is really the department of homeland security briefing, house representatives on exactly what went on. who was spot on, who was hacked how big, high widespread this was. how many records were compromised. and who might have gotten that informs. it is behind closed doors whichty always think is weertd if they're hacking us, why are they closing the door to the meeting that i think is about us. that is just me. we'll have more, after this.

>> do you remember the guy who jumped white house fence and a knife, right over the north lawn. got rights through the front door before he was tackled by a

secret service agent and just shy of climbing up stairs to the residence at the executive mansion. well apparently u.s. army veteran omar gonzalez sentenced to 17 months in prison minus time already served. i'm told it has been months already served a little bit more than a year behind bars for essentially breaking into the white house. getting fast one blank security guard's after another. they re-examined their procedures included a policy with the front door unlockedded a white house thought it was unlocked at the white house but it was not. he got through and could have gotten through private residence before -- someone tackled him. it was technically off-duty. that was then, another year or so in the slammer now. all right. all of this on the same day we're learning that donald trump wants to move into the white house. maybe he doesn't. maybe if he does become president he uses it for entertaining smaller than most of donald trover's homes.

charles payne all kiddinged a saying we could do worse than a rich guy run for president with the populous rather anti-rich themes we're hearing that are all of the rail right now. >> anti-rich and capitalism and things that go along with. people have been careful neil i'm worried about this election, because we can't, you know -- i told a lot of my conservative friends over the last few year when is you give speeches saying we're going over a cliff next week, you're wrong. taking greece leak 30 years to get to this point. we're on the wrong path no doubt about it. but to articulate in a way where first of all you can't be ashamed of being successful. mitt romney was ashamed of being successful. you know, he played every now and then bring it up but did not run on the fact -- >> bragged about it. >> now, listen donald trump today was i said it was most bad as announcement so far i don't care what anybody says not whether or not you agree with him or not but how many say he

declared economic war in the world. he wore -- said listen, people are dumping bad people in this country. he didn't mince words at all. >> i'm telling you i said the same thing charles. make you rethink what you're saying. dismiss of your power because he does resonate with many frustrated americans including more than half americans who doapght vote. forts here's the big question all ready for a candidate or do we have the carnegie nice guy, you know, have some rain marquee, queens bury rules or go out there leak mm and a political ring. essentially that is what he did. he said i'm an mmf fighter to rip people to sleds. by the way he kicked it off dissing gop candidates. he said how can you announce a presidency saying you're sweat ing like a dog. wow, that is deep. >> off playing from the theme from phantom of the opera. you don't get better than that. don't forget to watch his hit

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. neil: all right, at capitol hill right now, we're about a minute away, less than that, to another close to our pow without. this was interrupted last week. they're going to try again, a closed-door meeting to discuss exactly what happened with the office of personnel management leak. series of leaks that compromised millions of federal government workers' records, even those who applied for jobs in the federal government. it's going to be led by the dhs secretary johnson as to what happened in the order of events, but it's behind closed doors, which is weird. if we could show what the office looks like with closed doors. this is the last time they had a closed-door briefing.

see that? in the congressional auditorium. that's the only time i see it is closed doors. the doors are never open, ever! it's just weird. connell mcshane on how bad this gets. >> it is interesting, neil, we found out about the records compromised on the 4th of june, we're on the 16th, still talking about it, and other people more powerful than us are talking about it. that does lead you to believe there is more to this than thought. who else thinks that? the retired general michael hayden was talking to the "wall street journal" about all this and said interesting things. he said personnel records when leaked, they could allow china to recruit u.s. officials as spies, but to grab the equivalent in the chinese system, i would not have thought twice, this is not shame on china. this is shame on united states for not protecting that kind of information. so it's not like he's worried people are going to be blackmailed, neil, necessarily, but this is just normal spying.

something the united states would do to another country that china essentially did to us. so now, with information like this, they could get close to somebody, that might know something about them personally. they act like friends and next thing you know, they have a spy working for them. it's the kind of thing that somebody like general hayden is worried about after seeing this develop over the last couple of weeks. neil: he's not the only one. thank you very much, connell mcshane. paul violas is with us. how extreme is the threat that the chinese has info. they have built-in spies they could start hiring. what do you think? >> it's not probable, it's a certainty, no question about that. they have an extraordinary return on investment. it was brilliant on their part. no question about it. neil: so, what do you think is going on in that closed-door meeting? and i'm sure people are saying, can you tell us the degree to which people were spied. on a lot of this goes back to

2014. >> right. >> do you know how that happens? we find out so well after the fact this has been going on for a long time. my immediate thought is what's going on right now? >> right. to our first point, what's going on in the meeting right now, this is damage control 101, trying ascertain how bad it is and put it into a statement to release to the public. there's no question this is bad, neil. you brought it up and general hayden brought it up. shame on us. when you think about opm getting hacked, the quantity and quantity of that information as it relates to our critical staff that protect this country, this is unprecedented. no question about that. neil: i remember after target and a lot of people who got miffed off, customers and other retailers who found credit card data compromised, you said this is much bigger by a much larger factor because this involves our government and a lot of our

defense establishments. how worried are you that is routinely vulnerable now? >> very worried about that. the reason i'm worried about it is because we have not changed approaches. we're still driving the same vehicle down the same road and keep running into the same potholes until we change. what i mean by that specifically is we have to get away from the quintessential information technology model, and we need to start embracing much more anticrime model. we're looking at information that as it gets compromised and exposed, neil, this is going to hurt the american people. it's going to hurt our economy. there's no end to what this can do. we have to do a much better job, no question about it. neil: real quickly, mike huckabee, who is not exactly donald trump, who said if they hack us, we tack back. donald trump would take that on steroids and put more. what about the chinese, they are going to sell our debt or whatever? >> i'm concerned what they will do with the information. when it comes to matting wits

between the chinese and the americans, the americans are far superior. we just need the leadership in order to put those walls in play. that will have what separates us between them. i'm not concerned about our capabilities. we have to exercise capabilities to the fullest extent. neil: paul, always good seeing you. >> thank you, neil. neil: thank you very much. want to go over to my colleague, melissa francis, look at the dow, up 109 points. a lot has to do by the way with not necessarily donald trump. i think donald trump will take credit for it. a lot of it has to do with the idea that angela merkel is going to meet with the greek authorities, a set deadline for thursday. they feel by thursday we have certainty, one way or the other, whether greece is going to pay up or europe is going to crack up. with that assurance, they move on. in the meantime, we're in the middle of a two-day federal reserve meeting. everyone thinks it's a given

rates go up later in the year. >> later in the year. i was looking at a report from the security managers, 90% think the fed is going to raise rates before or during the third quarter of this year, and the last 10% think before the end of the year. so that's 100% thought they were going to go up before year end. that's a shift. neil: early fall event, maybe pre-fall event. >> or at least by the end of the year, the idea is while we don't feel the economy is going great guns and it isn't, it's not a disaster any longer, and no excuse to be at emergency stance when we have the feeble european-type growth going on. that's not the reason to have rates at zero. neil: when the imf says we would appreciate if you waited until next year. >> i think they have been influenced by, that and that's why they've stayed in this position, it hasn't made sense for a really long time. at some point, enough people are saying, look, we have interest rates at zeros, acting

as if there is an emergency. what if there were? you already have all the slack in the reins out, what are you going to do then? they have to eventually start taking it back in. i don't think it means there is an immediate reverse in the stock market, but i think over time, that's not great news for the stock market. neil: donald trump said as much. >> he was fantastic, right. the best speech of all-time. i was riveted. neil: one of the things that hit home for a lot of folks that the market run-up is built on helium, the idea that federal reserve comes in, provides support, you get money at 0%, you could invest it and make easy change. is there something to that, and is there worry when you unravel that, there is hell to pay? >> absolutely. i think here is somebody talking who's made a fortune off this. he's the first candidate i've seen thrilled to share his finances. it was phenomenal.

the first guy the new york times is going to accuse of xaj rating his money rather than the opposite. he's right, he's right, it has created an environment they think maybe caused a lot of negative externalities. we've seen bubbles in the stock market, who knows what's going on in real estate? bringing it back in is going to cause problems. there is no choice at this point. neil: you know my crackpot theory on trump is this. i would never, ever sell him short. because he's alienated himself against the powers, the republican candidates don't like what they saying out against the other republicans. what if he does a ross perot and does an independent run? >> it was open season on anyone. i want to see him run with charlie gasparino, that would be the perfect ticket. can you imagine debate season, that would be unbelievable. neil: you are the fool, everybody go. >> amazing.

neil: and telling gasparino said he's a little too blunt for me. >> when charlie blushes, you are like wow, wow. neil: i would not have said, that i would not have said that. melissa, catch your show with david asman. they like each other. >> we do! it's amazing. neil: for now. in the meantime, we've got all these lois lerner e-mails. they are better than 6400 of them. so remember when they said we lost them all. they found them all and not going to share a one. something is up with that. the congressman who wants them pronto, which means like now.

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. neil: all right, a busy day. what is expected to be a busy tropical storm hurricane season, we are told, the first one landed on texas or in texas i should say. tropical storm bill makes landfall in texas, the likes of galveston and to the north, houston. right now at this point, they're minimizing expectations of much damage, but again, this is widely anticipated, and they have been able to batten down the proverbial hatches, but the storm has made landfall in texas just about two minutes ago. something else that developed in the last 24 hours with the lois lerner e-mails. we were told they were all first destroyed, all gone, and no, no, they're not destroyed. better than 6400 of them, and then we learned that you might want them. all you can get out of them,

but you're not going to get your hands on them, so the irs wasn't going to turn them over. congressman darrell issa says you got to turn them over and here's the battle. he joins me from washington. congressman, where do we stand on getting hands on the e-mails. they are crucial into proving whether lois lerner did, in fact, target conservative groups and special tax exemptions they were seeking, more conservative liberal ones, where does this stand in. >> we established lois lerner criminally attempted to dissuade 501-c4's from getting rightful approval. these questions are about who worked with her? whether or not conspiracy is just within the irs, whether it included people in the white house, and whether and how it included both acting and former commissioners. neil: have they told you no? have they told you no outright. one of the things i heard from

the agency, they are in the process, and i never heard this word, deduplicating them, what does this mean? >> it means they're lying, neil, they're just lying. here's delay here, they make it a practice to send us endless duplicates. they do not deduplicate. they always want to give the maximum number of pages in order to brag about how much they've given us, even if they are ten or 20 fold for each full message strain. this is a delaying technique and outright lie to imply that deduping is ever a practice. what they do is deliver everything and let us sort it out. that's a regular practice of not just the irs but the entire obama administration. neil: you found the same, i believe, congressman, when you tweetoud a photo of the state department's redacted benghazi report, page after page of blank pages, right? >> absolutely.

this continues in so many areas. there is an incamera review of the state department's to have their own weapons and security training facility where they outright lied about what was in the documents, and yet under subpoena, they delivered them to be looked out in camera, in fact, what they show is an administration that will publicly say things that simply aren't true. in the case of the irs, the commissioner has, in fact, been an active part of thwarting congress' discovery process, and i have no doubt that as we approach the election, they're going to say that now suddenly, it's all election politics, when in fact, this investigation began before the previous election and has simply been delayed by the obama administration, in hopes to get out of town before the full truth is known. neil: eventually truth prevails, it could be years, right? >> there's a very clear effort by this administration to

conclude their entire time, perhaps pardon people, that's unknown, but it's very clear, the obama administration and hillary clinton would like to see all of these investigations stalled until after the outcome of the next election. certainly for hillary and benghazi, critical to her plan and obviously the irs, something that could go all the way to the white house. there was clearly a lot of activity between commissioners while this was going on. so delaying and denying is important, and i want to give a shoutout. the i g4, russell george, has taken huge amounts of hammering from all sides and these continued doing his job and i appreciate the fact he's doing his job, while it's very, very clear the administration is still trying to thwart the discovery by congress and public sector interest groups. neil: thank you very much, congressman, trying to keep track of the numbers and what they're up to.

imagine submitting blank pages? if i only learned that in college with term papers. here's the term paper, all the pages are blank. you might have heard once or twice on this show that donald trump is officially a candidate for president of the united states. take a look. >> our country is in serious trouble. we don't have victories anymore. we used to have victories, but we don't have them. when was the last time anybody saw us beating, let's say china, in a trade deal? they kill us. neil: all right, to my buddy and business chief executive craig smith what he makes of the donald trump presidential run. what do you think, craig? >> well, the announcement was classic trump, neil. self-promoting, a very populist message and quite frankly exaggerations. he talked about $5 billion spent on the obamacare site and he builds websites for $3.

that being set aside for the moment. neil: you are right, we ought to correct, that they were for $4. [ laughter ] >> but you know, in all fairness, you and i talked about this before, neil. i'd love to see a businessman who understands leadership be able to take the helm and lead this nation. i disagree with donald on one thing, said he the american dream is over. i disagree with that. the american dream is still available, if we make some very serious changes in the nation, and if you go through the list what he talked about, very populist, he wants to build a wall in mexico, not going to let china rip us off anymore. pro second amendment. anti-common core, which has shades of taking a hit on. at jeb bush because he's the leader right now. but if mr. trump realizes that great leadership is take 435 members of congress to work with him, then i think he'd

make a great president. but he can't wave a magic wand and do all these things, that's what happened to the current president and that's not how our system works, neil. neil: we'll watch closely, craig, thank you very much, let us know when you want to run. interesting race. thank you very much. you know charlie gasparino has been following the situation, knows hank greenberg very, very well. hank greenberg supposedly won and lost a key court ruling. won that the judge agreed with him on the argument that the government unfairly took over aig and he lost and didn't get a penny out of them. that could be about to change. gaspo after this.

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. neil: all right, just in case you have any doubt the deals are gyrating the markets.

blackstone group and the carlyle group are making a joint bid for ncr, the stock has been halted, in a deal that could be worth north of 10 billion dollars. that would include, make it this year's biggest as far as outrice purchases in the tech arena this year. stock halted, it was up 4 1/2 before it was, but on this notion that blackstone and carlisle are making this bid to take it over, on the heels of $100 billion worth of deals. i think it's only tuesday. in the meantime, to aig and what happens right now. as you know, hank greenberg lost but won, won but lost the judges ruling said he was right, the government overstepped its bounds, coming in and rescuing the company, but i think charlie, the gist was yeah, they're not going to get a penny out of it and holders were better off because they were saved from bankruptcy. >> i think it's the way hank

approached the case that the judge took issue with it. think of it this way, he said you were right the government exacted improperly the shareholder value when it took over aig in 2008, and wiped out the shareholder value. it bank leads you can't sue the way you sued. you might sue another way on another ground. neil: is he going to do that? >> source are telling us, people close to mr. greenberg, the aig chief is telling associates he will appeal the bailout case, in the next couple days or weeks, according to the people. he's definitely going to appeal it. point out he's already -- neil: david boies would remain employed? >> if anybody made money, hank greenberg would make money, david boies the famed litigator, greenberg spent moeshth of $100 million. all that money went into the

boies-shiller whatever the name of the company is. mr. boies's coffers. that's what we know. hank will appeal the case, he expects the government to appeal, too. the government did come out clean on this. neil: you're tying our hands in future such? >> you bail out people, you better have the lie on your side, the way you did it last time, when you bail out and take so much shareholder money at the same time, that's illegal. here's what we know, hank is telling people he's going to appeal. the government, according to greenberg's attorneys, they believe the government will appeal as well, it didn't win. and the guy who came out on top is none other than david boies. $100 million he earned on this case. neil: in ironing this out, if you have argued the way they argued this case, and apparently they ticked off -- ben bernanke was one of the witnesses. >> he was one of the witnesses. neil: they would have gone to the next level to look at a way

to enumerate themselves. >> good point. i'm not in the room. this is highly complicated stuff. david boies made a constitutional argument, i think it was fifth amendment takeings claim. the government just can't take your property. that claim didn't fly with the judge even if the overall merits of the case did. people close to greenberg expect it to go to the supreme court. neil: really? >> it will appeal it, it will get heard. who knows if he wins or loses. he'll change his tactics, because like i said, the takeings aspect. neil: if you are the government, i always think we will. >> we will. neil: the conditions will not be identical to 2008. >> break the banks up like they keep advocateing. >> they'll think twice about doing what they did? >> which is why they are likely to appeal as well. they don't want their hands tied. neil: thank you very much, charlie gasparino. take a peek at the dow here.

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neil: all right. we're getting some news flashes into us now concerning syria. apparently using chemical weapons on its people again. remember a lot of those people would include isis. secretary kerry is saying he is confident that the syrian government is responsible for the preponderance, his word, of chemical attacks and went on to say that everyone's patience is wearing thin regarding these chemical attacks. keep in mind, if true, these chemical attacks would not only be on syrian citizens but on isis forces that are now in effective control of much of western syria. we're also getting news out of the white house that they prefer a trade deal be done sooner rather than later. josh earnest saying that the most effective way to complete a pacific partnership is for the u.s. congress to offer the president that trade authority that was went kablooy last week when democrats, democrats bolted from the president.

a measure considered today from the speaker and president is shelved when they realized voights is not there. republicans are trying to help the thing being done but thwarted by house democrats led by nancy pelosi. no can do. i keep telling you it is party of bernie sanders these days. that party and that extreme that is leading the call to scrap any trade deal, anytime and it is winning. former oklahoma governor frank keating right now on a separate development on capitol hill not been canceled but postponed, a closed-door hack meeting on the part of the department of homeland security trying to outline to members attending how this happened and how we got millions of records compromised. normally when i hear that congressman, or governor, i hear wait a minute. it is a lot more than we're being told because we get the dribs and drabs later. >> let me use annalgy. as a former fbi agent that

supervised every law enforcement agency, during reagan, late reagan, i have .38 cobra pistole and shotgun to protect my family. if intruder had mr. 16 and anti-tank weapon i would be in trouble if i couldn't partner with the police department with armored personnel carriers and with the government. that is what we're paying. denial of service attacks, burglary world they try the front door and kick in the back door. in the denial of service world, the hack world, individual hackers will attempt to get into an easy spares and get money if it's a national attack, if it is the iranians, if it is the north koreans, russians, chinese it is totally different. we need to partner, the government, with the private sector, the financial services industry, utilities, to make sure they let us know what is coming and tell us how to avoid it. that is what we're trying to do. neil: we don't even know. it is another closed-door

session. i know with security purposes they can't tell us, but seeing we invariably are the ones being spied on when it all comes out, how is it we're out of the loop on this, average citizen? >> i would say the average citizen is out of the loop unless you google, unless you get online, unless you watch what is presented to the general public. in the financial services industries we have fsisac partnering with the government. neil: what's that? >> it is basically a sharing mechanism. at we at aba share it with everyone of the states. first attack, first alert, that kind of stuff. neil: is any of that data that you're privy to shown you that it is wider than they're saying now? >> well -- neil: in other words, this goes way beyond just federal workers? i'm going way beyond to financial institutions, people's bank accounts getting compromised? i get the feeling more and more of this comes out, governor, the bigger of a problem it is and

they're trying to contain it and not let us in on that. >> i think this, neil, to the extent it's a national attack, governmental attack that's a big deal. my analogy having a little slingshot weapon versus somebody who is far, far better armed. so our insistence as citizens should always be, certainly financial services world, we do, we want to know everything you know. we will be happy to share with you. there is a bill right now before the congress on sharing of this information that has been blocked because it has been attached to the, a defense bill. hopefully that will be broken loose because we need those kinds of things. if we provide information that is arguably private, in terms of techniques or methods and the like, we don't want to get sued. everybody pulls back. there has to be commonality of purpose, call it commonality of intent. it has to be real partnership. not superior or inferior. that's what we're hoping for. neil: take a donald trump in the race? >> i'm thinking about it. i'm about eight billion short.

anytime, as you and i were noting before i came on, if you have that kind of money and you're willing to spend it, you will be in the top tier of karn dates. that is the challenge for my party. we have now, what, 12 candidates, we'll have baker as dozen -- neil: do you think he could ever get the nomination? >> i don't think so. but reality is, it is really important to try to break up the primary debates so people can see the lesser lights. he will be a greater light because he has the cash. neil: governor, good seeing, thank you very much. donald trump is in the race. we're told he is very happy with the results he had in the music he had because it covered everything. i must give him credit for that. trish regan was noticing that and the message and the speech and -- >> neil young. neil: neil young all the way to "phantom of the opera." >> there you go. i thought it was a very passionate speech, neil. and i think it will resonate with a lot of people.

he touched on a lot of issues that matter right now in america and he said it with so much conviction. you could tell, i know, because i was trying to write down sound bites there at my desk. i was trying to get a clear in and out for a sentence. could you tell he wasn't reading a prompter because he kept going on and on and a lot of it really was off the tip of his tongue it seemed as though. i thought it was authentic. that is what we need right now. we need some authenticity. he has no problem telling everyone, hey, i made a lot of money. we know that he tells us over and over again. you need a little bit of that, right? mitt romney could have used a little bit of that. hey i hit this. neil: you make important point as you always do, embrace you are. if you're proverbial fat cat, yeah, i'm a fat cat. i'm rich. he has gone out of his way to say my gucci store is worth more than mitt romney. tough admire that. what do you think of that, whether it could turn americans

off just as much? >> i think inherent to every american is this sense of aspiration, right? we're all a little bit aspirational. we all want in some way, whether we want to admit it or not, to have wealth like donald trump. and he sort of is saying look, i did this, because i was lucky. i had a father who helped me out but i built a lot of this myself and i am a testament to the success that can be had in this country. agree with the governor i don't necessarily think he will get the nomination. but this is an important message for americans to hear right now, we should all be proud of the success that we can achieve in this country. and i do think had mitt romney had a little bit of more bravado, if you would, it might have served him well, neil. so it's a good voice to have in the mix. a lot of questions as to whether this is really something he wants to do or this is something really about advancing trump

inc. but i think we'll debate that in coming weeks. we'll talk about. neil: he is there now. so he is serious for the time-being. thank you very much, trish regan. >> see you in a bit. neil: a lot of folks say donald trump, he can't be serious, he can't be serious. but the fact is he is committed to scrutiny of finances announcing you are a presidential candidate. we'll talk to a top money guy. as if donald trump needs a money guy. even before he announced this guy was starting essentially a pac to push this billionaire to do it. that is after this.

>> it is fox business brief time. i'm connell mcshane. back here on "cavuto: coast to coast." we're talking about united airlines. it will end service to kennedy airport here in new york. it will do that in october. united had been there seven years at kennedy and hadn't made a profit. they say due to lack of connections to other cities. they will do out and do more business at newark airport in new jersey. this marks united to increase the transcontinental market. as we look at other airlines. rival companies, american airlines, delta, jetblue, they have invested heavily in this area. united is transferring premium service to 757 aircraft,

transferring that over to newark, made a $2 billion investment increasing flight connections, adding new technology all that kind of thing. moving from new york to new jersey is basically united airlines. more "cavuto: coast to coast" is coming up in just a moment.

the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. neil: something very interesting is going on in the house right

now. nothing to do with hacking and closed-door meeting with i drives me nuts but they're attempting again to deal with this taa thing. that is the trade adjustment assistance that went down in flames last week when democrats bolted from the president who made a personal voice to it capitol hill to try to twist some arms. you know how that went t didn't go very well. apparently, i say apparently, i'm not up to speed on all the parliamentary manuevers here, the house now essentially will vote on a measure that would extend the window for approving the taa. in other words, means by which they can put off and take up another day, maybe in july, sometime, to retackle that vote on the trade authority and granting the president the right to decide on trade deals and have congress vote yea or nay on those trade deals. i think, i think, we'll go to some far smarter people in washington a little later, i think this is a buying time manuever. and if it works they think they can get their ducks in order, get enough votes to make this

thing happen and make it pass and sign a deal with our asian trading partners before the summer is out. that is our hope. that is how i'm reading it. if i'm wrong i will destroy the tape. that's what i'm going to do. meantime you heard donald trump is presidential candidate right now. he hinted at much a couple weeks ago on this very show. take a listen. >> i deal with politicians. politicians are all talk, no action, that is what happens. the country will keep tottering along. we'll be second fiddle to china. second fiddle to mexico, turning out to be the new china. we'll see. neil: we'll see see anymore whether he will run or not. he is. this is one of the early supporters pushing a trump run saying they would do well of his bombast and everything else. he is just the guy this country needs to lead this country. robert run as trump for guess lack of a better word trump super pac, right? >> that's correct. neil: did donald trump know what you were up to?

maybe fill me in. >> no, he had no idea. we started citizens for a strong usa several months ago, basically because i got really sick and tired of sitting around complaining and doing nothing about it. so i wanted to try to organize and do something about it this time. i was really, really happy that mr. trump announced and got in today. six months ago, eight months ago, i told all my friends and colleagues that he was not growing to -- was going to run. everybody thought i was crazy. i have a lot of dinners and free drinks to collect after today. i want to disagree with your previous two guests because i think he is a strong candidate. i think he can win the nomination. and if he is up against hillary clinton, he will beat hillary clinton. he and hillary clinton in a debate is no contest. neil: do you think he is a little too in your face?

a little too abrupt? even our own charlie gasparino, no shrinking violet he, he is a little too much for some folks? >> yeah. i guess i could come off that way but let me tell you something. we need somebody to be in our face. we need somebody that's a game-changer. we can not continue four more years of obama. that is what we'll have. neil: a lot of people agree with you. first, i'm the first, to agree what he can do on the stuffp with a lot of money and a lot of ads. brings me to you. donald trump doesn't need a pac. he doesn't -- >> no, our pac will not contribute to donald trump. he doesn't want our money. neil: what does your pac do? >> our pac is basically going to make sure that hillary clinton doesn't become president of the united states. neil: i gotcha. as much an effort to thwart her than it toys financially promote donald trump? >> correct.

if donald trump is the not the nominee we'll still be going strong to support whoever that nominee might be. neil: all right. robert, thank you very much. we appreciate you taking the time again. we keep showing this board about donald trump and his assets. this is the financial data we're relying on provided by "forbes" and host of others who value his assets at $9.25 billion. you heard mr. trump say, no, no, that is my net worth. that is not just my assets. when you take asay liabilities you it means the overall value would be lower. he says my net worth is starting around nine and a quarter billion dollar figure. he used 10 billion. that is not just assets, folks. you take the assets, remove liabilities he is nearly at $10 billion of net worth. but who is glibbing here. i hate when people do that we'll have more after this. ♪

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to help you keep rolling with confidence. go long™. ♪ neil: you know i guessed, got it right. the house had a vote to extend the taa deadline to grant trade as justment assistance but not to vote on. they voted to punt and decide this by july 30th. get their ducks in order. try for this thing which has been bone ever contention for republicans and democrats. meantime another story we're follow something one that involves baseball hacking between teams. dagen and connell are here. what is going on with this. >> i did a little more reading on it since we last spoke. its about a guy jeff, who had been the gm or is the gm of the houston astros but he used to work for the cardinals. basic story we thought, there was something to this, cardinals are accused of hacking into the astros internal systems. this is apparently what happened.

this guy was working in the cardinals organization and he came up with some sort of a proprietary system. >> doing scouting player development after they won the world series in 2011. >> going to the astros. they're doing great under their leadership. he brings system, not important but, whatever it is he brings it with them and starts using it in houston. now according to the reports never changed his password. people that work in st. louis, they keep logging into the thing using his old password. now that is, according to the reports anyway, "new york times" and other places that is how this well thing came about. >> major league baseball the government, government notified fbi, presumably it was not knowing the cardinals but they traced the hack to a home where some front office executive with the cardinals had lived. neil: what was he hacking? >> statistics, scouting statistics and player stats. neil: what do they get? >> there is, think about it, baseball is multibillion-dollar business. neil: that's what i hear. >> any edge you can get in terms of analytic. >> in the age of "moneyball,"

the michael lewis book. >> this guy is known for that kind of thing. maybe somebody he is tracking nobody else is. they want access to that. because he was successful in st. louis, leaves the company. leaves the company. don't bring your contact sheets. don't bring that stuff with you. neil: was he using that material where he was in new place? >> yeah he brought it all with him. proprietary to him. not sure it was -- >> password in both location. >> i guess. >> american league west, astros are in first place in their division. cardinals have the best record -- neil: cardinals playing right now. >> they have the best record in baseball. leading national league western division. >> dagen doing baseball scores. >> this makes me like baseball. i hate baseball. this is the worst time. year. neil: this is isolated thing. this is same sport with steroid issues, performance-enhancing drugs. now hacking. >> terribly boring sport.

makes it exciting. espionage in nascar. >> no hacking in nascar. >> who would have thunk it. neil: why can't they make the game that long? >> they shorten the game. neil: they have really? >> don't allow playing with batting gloves, adjusting themselves. they don't allow that. >> the game is only eight hours. you have eight hours to spare, don't you? >> this is a good story. >> this is great story. >> you guys are great. baseball nine innings? thank you both very much. thank god this was here. i had no idea. connell! we'll have more after this.

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neil: all right. you probably heard "the donald" wants to be the president. tweet reaction we're getting. jar writes trump will make the primary race exciting. i hope he makes the top 10. if he does the field will need to be on their game. that is probably and understatement. dan writes, millionaire,

billionaire, what is the difference. no true connection to the little people. wells says usa needs donald trump. he has trust and respect and honors this country. he will move mountains. right now he might take credit for moving markets. up 106 points. that is not all "the donald," but i'm telling you trish regan he will take credit. trish: of course he will. of course he will. he has been teasing around the white house for years and years. >> i never really considered very strongly running for the presidency but the country has never been in trouble like it is now. i will not be running for president as much as i would like to. number one, i haven't made up my mind about running for president. i'm seriously considering it. i will make announcement one way or the other in june. trish: today, it finally happened. ladies and gentlemen, donald trump is running for president of the united states. >> i am officially running for president