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the only index that is in the green. well, no, the s&p 500 just popped in the green. the bottom line is all the indices are posting losses today, and none more than the nasdaq as a result of bad earnings from micron and disappointing guidance for the future. chip manufacturers are a little concerned, melissa. melissa: that's right, technology the biggest drag, while markets wait for mondays, here's everything you need to know now. terror around the globe, islamists attack around the world following isis leader's call to make the month of ramadan a time of calamity for the infidels. over 50 were killed in three separate terror attacks, first france, then tunisia, then kuwait. the department of homeland security warning americans to stay alert saying, quote, particularly with the upcoming 4th of july holiday in the united states, the department of homeland security and the fbi continue to communicate with state and local law
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enforcement about what we know and see. we are encouraging all law enforcement to be vigilant and prepared. our blake burman is in washington with more, blake? >> reporter: three attacks in three different parts in the world. the first in europe, france. the second in north africa, tunisia. the third in the middle east, kuwait. it's not known if these are connected but the attacks are after an isis leader called to make the months of ramadan a time of, quote, calamity for the infidels. in eastern france one person was beheaded and had arabic phrases written on his lifeless body. the attacker crashed a car into a factory owned by air products, a company based out of allentown, pennsylvania, they released a statement writing in part, quote -- it goes onto say --
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not much longer after that, gunmen targeted a beach side resort in tunisia. at least 37 people murdered in a town popular with british tourists. and in kuwait a shiite mosque was bombed, 25 killed there. isis affiliate has claimed responsibility for that attack. a law enforcement source tells fox, the fbi is monitoring all three situations, though, the believed at this point there are not any americans among the dead. back to you in new york. melissa: blake burman, thank you so much. david? david: much more on the attacks coming up. president obama in south carolina this afternoon delivering the eulogy for reverend clementa pinckney. the reverend was one of the victims from last week's church massacre in charleston. the president calling the historic church a sacred place. >> for the families of the fallen, the nation shares in your grief. our pain cuts that much deeper
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because it happen immediate a church. >> right. >> the church is and always has been the center of african-american life. [ applause ] . david: as you can tell, the president receiving enthusiastic applause, several standing ovations from the crowd of more than 5,000 mourner, melissa? melissa: same-sex marriage illegal in all 50 states. peter barnes at the supreme court and liz mcdonald is in the newsroom. start with peter. >> reporter: melissa, the 5-4 decision by the court ruled same-sex marriage is legal nationwide, including in the 13 states it is against the law. the majority led by key swing voter anthony kennedy joined by justices ginsburg, breyer and
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sotomayor and kagan. the four dissenters led by chief justice john roberts who was joined by justice scalia, thomas and alito. writing for the majority, justice kennedy wroet -- . >> reporter: well, advancing gay rights is one of the president's top policy initiatives. he called today's decision a victory for equality. >> our nation was founded on a bedrock of principles, that we are all created equal. the project of each generation is to bridge the meaning of those founding words with the realities of changing times.
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>> reporter: in his defense, chief justice roberts focused on the issue of states' rights and said that this is an issue that is expressly left to the states by the constitution. he wrote, quote -- he went onto say -- melissa? melissa: interesting. all right, over to you, emac. >> reporter: what's happening too is what is the fiscal impact, the story line we're getting out of government research. what is the fiscal impact of gay marriage being recognized in the 13 states? we've looked at the cbo, we looked at the congressional
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research service, and they've come down as follows: a billion dollars estimated over the next ten years is what gay married couple will pay into the federal system. why? a lot of gay couples are high earners, that bumps them up into the higher bracket if they file jointly. the other issue we're hearing is social security benefits. basically gay couples will be able to get the survivor benefit and death benefits as well. the other issue is if they file jointly, stlal to go through what's called through medicare means testing through the medicare part b and d benefits there. the other issue too, guys, that we're hearing is what will companies do? we know that 35% of municipalities and companies provide domestic partnership benefits. when it comes to gay marriage, verizon and delta have been saying if you have a domestic partnership, that's not good
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enough. you have to show us a gay marriage certificate in order to get the benefits. we'll be tracking the story as it develops, as it impacts the federal and private sector spheres. back to you. melissa: it cuts both ways. thanks to both of you guys. >> sure. melissa: the biggest names in business are weighing in on today's historic decision on twitter. apple's tim cook saying, quote -- target tweeting -- and from american airlines -- david? david: we're on board, corn ball. a down week for all major stock averages. the russell ending lower for its first week in four. the culprit? probably greece. there is still no deal ahead of a crucial $1.7 billion debt
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repayment due tuesday, and that debt ridden country has been given an ultimatum. german chancellor angela merkel wants a deal in place before the markets open monday and warns, quote, we won't be blackmailed by greece. our adam shapiro at the new york stock exchange and baron's senior editor jack hogue is here. i want to talk about nasdaq which posted a loss despite the dow's gains, had to do with micron's earnings, they missed and had disappointing guidance. is this going to affect all chipmakers? >> well, the chipmakers are looking at the fact that pc's are so yesterday's news and everything is going mobile. the other issue is bill gates said he believes there is a tech bubble not necessarily on the lines of 2000, but we're in one now, that is enough to make investors nervous, david? david: move over to greece, jack, and the statement by ms. merkel saying germany will not
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be blackmailed. what does she mean by that? >> i think the perception is that germany holds all the cards here and greece is perhaps talking tough. but imagine what the world looks like if greece exits the euro and has a financial collapse. what you have is a failed state connected to western europe. that's good for no one. a state open to overtures from russia desperately looking for friends and in europe, you have an economy where they're trying to stimulate the economy which is code for driving the value of the currency down relative to the dollar. if greece goes, greece is the weakest credit in europe. that makes europe overall a better credit and potentially raises the value of the euro and makes it harder to export. david: merkel for the past couple of months has been siding with the imf trying do all she could to bend backwards and help out greece. she was getting a lot of pressure at home from finance
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ministers and others in the political sphere saying germany shouldn't be left holding the bag because they're going to have to pay an undue amount in order to bail out greece. so adam, it makes me think that is a deal is less likely than i thought at the beginning of the week? >> you saw this week the big rally, people thought there was a deal that was imminent and a bit of a sell-off because it doesn't look like a deal. when you speak to traders, they'll tell you germany has a great deal to lose if greece should pull out because they sell stuff. money they lend to greece is used to buy stuff from germany which has a trade surplus, a whole other issue, ahead of europe which some say a bit too high. david: 70% of greek debt is held by the imf and governments in europe. what that means if there's a bailout, guess who's bailing out greece again? it's going to be the taxpayers. because they're the ones who put the money in the imf covers, they give money to the government. so it's going to be another
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taxpayer bailout of the banks. >> you know, you're right david. if we could go back in time, we could change. that the question isn't what's fair from here. the question is what produces the least damage going forward. i think that's the solution people are looking for. portugal and maybe italy or spain, taking a cue from greece and look to get out of their debt, but i don't see it as great risk, i look at the bond yields, they're very low. italy and spain are lower than the u.s., portugal is close to the u.s. this is about greece, hopeful there is a deal in the near-term, it's more doubtful in the long-term. david: jack and adam, appreciate it. melissa: you've lost mail. the state department unable to locate several hillary clinton e-mails. i'm sure it was in the schedule. david: what recovery? the majority of americans say the economy is in bad shape.
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our panel breaking it all down for you, that's coming up. melissa: americans ready to hit the road ahead of the holiday. ♪ ♪ (charge music) you wouldn't hire an organist without hearing them first. charge! so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. get fast-acting, long-lasting relief from heartburn with it neutralizes stomach acid and is the only product that forms a protective barrier that helps keep stomach acid in the stomach where it belongs. for fast-acting, long-lasting relief. try gaviscon®.
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. melissa: legendary oil investor t. boone pickens has a warning for americans, he thinks u.s. consumers are too complacent to cheap gas prices. listen to what he told maria bartiromo. >> none of the things are mentioned by anybody because of the $2.50 gas lead. that isn't going to remain forever. but here you need to look at energy as a powerful, powerful asset that america has. melissa: and maria went onto ask him about the 2016 presidential race and boon reiterated support for jeb bush and added no matter who is on the republican side, quote, we are going to beat hillary.
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there you go. david, over to you. david: wonder if he's talking to his book on oil. the state department says 15 critical e-mails from around the time the benghazi attacks that she never turned over, contradicting her claims she turn over everything. we're joined by fox news's greg jarrett. greg, ironically we been the missing e-mails because of her friend sid blumenthal who turned some of those over and they checked record of what she turned over and his e-mails to her weren't there. >> it puts a lie to the previous statement which was flat and unequivocal that i've turned over all work-related e-mails on my server. clearly, she did not but blumenthal had. david: by the way, it is still unequivocal. we have a, quote, from fox news, not only did she turn over all e-mails she had from blumenthal. she turned over a dozen e-mails not included in what he handed over to the house. so they claim they still claim they turned over all e-mails.
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>> then there's another statement in there, which i can't make hide nor hair of, we don't have a record of other correspondence between her and blumenthal beyond which we turned over to the state department. some of the stuff you sent and got from blumenthal, i don't know anything about that stuff, even though i sent and received it. david: we are joined by steve hayes from the weekly standard, also a fox news contributeor. steve, if she didn't have a record of the e-mails, i'm wondering how many e-mails the state department doesn't have a record of? >> good question, maybe the most important question in all of this e-mail controversy. if you talk to trey gowdy and look at the statements we've gotten from the benghazi special committee. they identified three major gaps in hillary clinton's e-mail production that come at times when the committee says at least that there was heavy libya policy making, so it would be improbable, implausible she wouldn't have had any e-mails, including
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around the time that she traveled to libya, and there are these gaps that are yet unexplained. >> gregg is exactly right about the missing e-mails. david: isn't there enough evidence and questions now require her to turn over the server so they can see what's there? >> yes, that's exactly what should come next. long running debate in the house of representatives whether that server is, in fact, suspect to subpoena? and there's a legal debate about whether can you subpoena documents and can you subpoena people, but can you subpoena things, and that's more of a gray area. i would expect them to revisit that case, that discussion in the coming days. david: let's go to legal eagle, gregg jarrett, what about that? can you subpoena a server? >> you can subpoena anything, documents, physical objects and individuals and compel them to say something, or compel objects to be turned over for
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examination. david: gregg jarrett, steve hayes, appreciate it, melissa? melissa: the court ruled but the battle isn't over, obamacare facing legal and political obstacles, plus the deadline looming for iran nuclear deal, but four advisers to the president are warning it might fall short of standard. great. "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. if legalzoom has your back.s, over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start
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appear to be non-life-threatening, this is the fifth shark attack in the past three week. melissa: wow. obamacare cleared a second major hurtle at the supreme court but troubles may be far from over. the court's decision to uphold insurance subsidies is a win for the obama administration. the law is highly unpopular for americans and a host of legal and political challenges remain. joining me grace marie turner is an expert on obamacare, at least four issues related are sorted out in the courts? is it like this? like what we just saw? >> i think supreme court justice roberts has indicated that he really does not want to deal with this issue anymore. he's had it with obamacare, whatever case you bring to him he's going to decide that obamacare is going to stand. but there are specific targeted cases that don't address the core of the law. the little sisters of the core on religious liberty issues.
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if you see cases that reach the supreme court, they're going to be external to the substance of what obamacare does, which is extend coverage, and he is going to say basically send this back to the political system. i think it's going to be a big issue in 2016, melissa. melissa: we haven't felt the full implication of all the taxes related to it yet. for example, the cadillac tax hasn't kicked in, right? >> it doesn't kick in until 2018. big companies are already lobbying capitol hill saying this has to go. this is tens of billions of dollars in new taxes that larger companies are facing if they continue to provide health insurance. melissa: meanwhile, according to the most recent kaiser health poll. 42% view the law unfavorably compared to 39%. what do you think would change this? >>
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radar, safety regulators investigate ford's f-150 pickup trucks model years 2011 and 12. 32 complaints over the power brake assist. no recalls yet. the f-150 is the best selling vehicle in the u.s. for the past 30 years. americans are ready to hit the road for the 4th of july. aaa says 42 million americans are going to travel 50 miles or more for the holiday. that's the most since 2007. nearly 85% will travel by car. if you're headed to disney, leave your selfie stick at home. i love this. the mouse house banning the device in all of its theme parks, describing it as a safety concern for guests and cast. the ban starts on tuesday. do they bother you at all? the sticks? melissa: the selfie stick? i think they look ridiculous. when somebody does, that you can't help but laugh at them. david: no more at disneyland. melissa: isis calling for
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captain and fox news military expert and chris harmer and the expert. let's talk about the french case first. not only was there a beheading, which is awful enough, but this guy was the perpetrator was trying for a cataclysmic event at a american owned chemical factory, let's talk about that. >> first off our thoughts and prayers go on you the to the victims. we try to look at the situations did i say partiality, but, yes, we consider this in the human costs as well. in terms of what isis is trying to do here, they continueov a spectacular ambition. whether or not isis directly ordered this attack or was really the inspiration for the attack, that's really irrelevant. what we see is isis is able control it's own territory and is either able to direct or inspire spectacular attacks in north africa and in europe in terms of causing a cataclysmic
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event, that's one of the key signs for isis they're trying to cut spectacular events in europe. >> well, obviously the guy couldn't carry that out. he did kill somebody and cause arm. but the perpetrator was on a jihaddist watch list and put on there in 2006 and yet he was works working at a american chemical company that had all these things that could blow up. why wouldn't anyone connecting the dots. >> well, probably for the same reason where he found out a couple of weeks ago. we have people on the tsa terror watch list working behind the security perimeters at u.s. airports. it's very do it track these people down if you're really not serious about doing it. so if you're hiring people into jobs that don't appear to carry, they're not presidential protection detail, so on anybody is going to really dig into the backgrounds of these things,
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especially in the united states. >> we have some breaking news, i'm so story soar to cut this short. >> that's right. coming out right now on that before i knew break in the manhunt, fox news is confirming right now that escaped prison matt sweat has been shot, anonymous law source says he has been shot and killed, this is in franklin county, new york. >> wow we have not heard about david sweat, by the way, along with richard matt were the two escaped convicts, but now we are getting confirmation of at least one of them getting shot. we don't have information about what has happened to david. believe i that's a picture of matt; is that correct? this is a picture of matt. we do have confirmation that he has been shot. we have sources telling us that he was killed, but, again, a big question right now is what happened to david sweat. >> yeah. right now we have -- we don't have anymore information on that.
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but richard matt i think we report correctly, 49 years old shot right now in that manhunt situation that's been going on, a trep r stretch into its 20th day. >> the last we heard, by the way, again, they were getting some dna evidence from one of the last places where they had been. they had been that can a inlast weekend apparently and they got information from that and that led to the arrest of one of the prison guards, not the woman but the male prison guard. he was arrested for assisting the prisoners and perhaps providing them information of the cabin they stayed. >> let's bring in tom who is on the phone. i know we're can are just getting details of this and we're looking at pictures of the scene, we had seen a lot of activity earlier today, is this outcome so far surprising to you. >> not at all. i mean we reasonably assumed that he was not going to get out of that area. as reasonable as just last weekend we knew he was in the area because dna was found in the cabin. and it shows that law
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enforcement did what they should have done. they coned off the area, they made a perimeter, which was kept maintained by these two guys, and the other guy is not far behind. >> that's the big question. where is the other guy, and we're trying to figure out the answer to that right now. do you suspect it's just a matter of time? these two apparently worked together. and one question i would put to you, tom, why were they together? they were obviously smart in and out of break out of prison, smart enough to arrange a escape plan, why would they stay together? >> well, remember their escape plan was somewhat messed up by the fact that she didn't pick them up. so at that point in time they had to go to plan b, which was probably in their head. and why did they stay together? because they had no way of separating. it would have led the police towards both of them at one point in time. so i think that they may have been watching tv.
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we're assuming that they may have found their way to another abandoned cabin or a cabin that's not yet occupied by the season. so they may have been had had ability to watch tv and stayed together until recently when they decide to separate. >> well, tom, i'm just wondering about what happens now? are they people in the area on lock down? >> well, i think at this point in time if you have an idea that they may have been together until just recently, i would start to question the people in the area and put on you the alerts for the people in the area to be on the lookout as well as, you know, take cautions by locking your house if you're inside. >> all right. and, by the way, this is an area where just about everybody has a gun, if not a hunting rifle, even a small gun. >> yes. and but we, you know, law enforcement believes that these guys may be armed at this point in time. so we'll learn more as for the details of the shooting and the apprehension of the one
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guy comes to light, but if he was armed, then we could reasonable assume that the other guy was armed as well. >> tom, given your experience in this area, are you surprised that it has taken this many days. >> it's a very dense area. to answer your question is "no," it's a very dense area. it's very difficult to search. there's a lot of terrain, and a lot of brush to go through. it's possible that police, you know, even tracking them could have passed them in the dense brush. so, no, it's not surprising, but it's not surprising that one of them has now in custody and or shot. >> yeah. we're reading right now, richard matt one of the convicted murderers staged this lab rat escape nearly three weeks ago was killed on friday, that's today of course, in a burst of gunfire by law enforcement officers. this comes from two people with knowledge of this situation. tom, what's your best guess? do you think that the other men that they're looking for
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david sweat could be far behind? >> i think that they're going to be able to track them. remember at some point in time if you track back now from where the deceased prisoner is, with bloodhounds, you may see where they separate and be able to have the flood hounds follow that other trail. but i don't think that they're far behind. and the fact that cops were forced to use deadly physical force, shooting and killing them, means to me that they may have been armed. >> tom, is there any chance that we may have different procedures as a result of this escape? i mean the fact is that these guys were not supposed to be in any danger of escaping. they were supposed to be on lock down. most of the time they weren't, they got stuff from the outside. is their escape going to inspire other incarcerated criminals to get out and escape as well? >> no. i think quite to the contrary. i think that prisons around this clun take the lessons and the failures of this prison in
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how they -- the prison procedures. i mean the fact that you could slip in the items that this woman was able to slip in and frozen meat and as a business or employee you're not going through a metal detector and inspected every day? tsa goes through metal detectors each day. >> that's right. >> so the fact of the matter is that tougher procedures and tougher, you know, restrictions will come in to every prison around this country. >> yeah. were you surprised by those details? i mean as they've unfolded in the most recent guard that is now under arrest and we've heard about the favors they've traded in exchange for items. whether it was art, things that were smuggled in. did all these details surprise you that something like that was going on at such a high security prison? >> not only that it was going on, that the warden or the deputies didn't even know it was going on, and gifts were being given to correctional officers who were taking it home. i mean it's amazing to me the
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interaction that was happening. you know, we have prisons around this country where prisoners get extra rewards for their good behavior and they're not totally on lock down. but the prison procedures have to be in place to protect not only the public at whole, but these people who are in prison. >> yeah. >> and these guys specifically for murder. >> hey, tom, hang in there, we want to bring in rod, are you surprised or not surprised that this thing ended in a shoot-out with the best of at least one of the convicts. >> good evening to you. no, i'm not surprised at all. we knew that these were two dangerous and desperate individuals. so the fact that we're learning now that one of the inmates have been shot and killed, comes at no surprise. what is surprised is whether or not this individual was armed, what type of weapons he, in fact, had if, in fact, he did have weapons, and i can i can tell you that the law enforcement officers were anticipating some kind of end, such as what we see now.
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>> rod, you know, we heard so many different reports, the first initial being that they were planning on going somewhere that was about seven hours away. other people said that they thought they were near the canadian border, are you surprised that they didn't get further? >> yes, i am actually because it's been so long of a period of time. but i can tell you that the u.s. marshals and the new york state troopers, they've been looking everywhere. they've had over 1,500 tips. they've looked as far as 300 miles away and as far as 7 miles away, and it sounds like now that these individuals have not gotten that far away. but, again, the fact that they had to take this guy out the way that they did comes as no big surprise because we knew that these two individuals, they did not want to go back to prison, and they were going to do whatever they could to stay out. and law enforcement knew that, and that's why they were prepared. >> what do you think about david sweat? we heard it's just going to happen sooner than later. and maybe traveling together
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was not a good thing to do. >> right. and what you know? i think that's true. i think they did eventually get that message because, you know, some of the more recent tips that law enforcement received indicated that they were together. that they were still traveling together. but it seems like now they did for one reason or another decide to separate, which is really interesting although i must say i don't think david sweat, the other guy, is too far away. >> yeah. >> so law enforcement realizes that now and, again, they're prepared to deal with whatever they want. they want to take this guy in peacefully, but if he doesn't be with they're prepared for that too. >> how much pressure was there on law enforcement for bring these guys back in? both to in terms of reputation and also to discourage these things in the future. >> well, it's more former than the ladder. you want to capitalism two people who have been convicted of very heinous murders, very, very quickly. the fact that the embarrassment to the
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corrections department that they have escaped has nothing to do with the way -- from a law enforcement standpoint, to reapprehend them and put them behind bars. if this guy was armed today and that's why police had to shoot and kill him, it shows me that, again, that the other guy may be armed. i'm not -- i'm not convinced that the other guy is that far away. he could have been further up the trail and police may be tracking him right now. >> but, you know, rod, i've got to say if these guys were is desperate before, after one of them is killed, you've got to imagine david sweat is even more discredit now. and he's even more dangerous right now. >> you're absolutely right. i can tell you i agree with my colleague tom that the other guy sweat is not that far away. and, you know, the authorities up there in new york, they know that, and they know that this guy is very desperate. look, remember their goal is to stay out. this was a very elaborate scene that they went through,
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it took a lot of time, it was very meticulous. they didn't want toking back to prison, and they were going to do anything they could to stay out of the prison. so by this first guy being taken out it was unfortunate it ended that way. but let me tell you. i can tell you that law enforcement knew they was going to be up for a battle with these guys once they did come across them. and the other individual, sweat, is not that far away, and i think that's why they're hot on his tail. >> all right, thank you so much, boy. this was only 50 miles from the prison. so for all of the talk about how they were hundreds of miles away, they may have been across the canada border, they may have been across the state border. they were found deep in the woods only 50 miles away from the prison where they escaped. >> that's right. and we're reading right now that they are still being -- david sweat still being hunted by cops in the wilderness area. we are going to bring you the very latest on this developing story right after this quick story right after this quick break. we'll be right back
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>> all right. breaking news. the man you see on the right is dead. that is richard matt, he is one of the two escaped convicts, the murderers who escaped, it was about 21 days ago now. one of whom has been shot and killed. the other criminal david sweat is still on the loose. >> yeah. let's bring in bo who is standing by right now. what do you think of this story. >> well, i kind of knew from the beginning when they didn't have their escape route set up, when this lady didn't show up, good thing she didn't show up, they probably would have killed her anyway. so that means they had to just run, and that's what kept them in the confines of that area there. so they never really were intentional with all those sightings but then again we don't really know if he had a weapon or what happened or if he tried to shoot it out with the federal marshals and all of that. but that's one down. did they split up or were they
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that far apart when they were shooting at this guy matt, the other fella may have gotten away. they don't at this point if they were together or if they separated. >> can i just and one question going back to how they became friendly with the prison guards who gave them the means to escape. talk about that. very strange to think of friendships developing in prison between these guards and criminals. >> yeah. and it gets even more stranger, this guy richard matt that just got killed here. he was quite -- i looked at some of his paintings there, and they were pretty damn good, and supposedly he gave art to one correctional officer there, and you become friendly and to be honest you, i use to be a homicide detective and i had a lot of guys that were on the street who were informants, and telling me a lot of things when there were shootings and
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stuff like that. and you become friendly and guys who became friendly like me, some were really convicted criminals, but you get a relationship with them. now, you've got to remember. if you're behind bars and you're a correctional officer, you're behind bars with them, i mean once you're locked in there, you're part of them and then all the other aspects break down and the viciousness of the crimes that these guys are in there. all of a sudden they become more humanized, and i've seen it happen with correctional officers, some correctional officers become very, you know, more mean or but then again some begin to take a liking toward them. and we know what crimes these two guys committed. one guy shopped somebody up and all of that. these are bad guys. but that whole guard starts to fall down, and then you become real, it becomes a real person with it. >> you know, we've heard a lot about that during this investigation. they've talked about the people that work in a prison
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what a small town it is, how whatever job they have, it's somehow connected to that prison, it's a one-industry town more or less. and like you said once they're working inside the prison, in some cases part of your safety depends upon being relatively friendly with these guys. >> right. and there's some situations sometimes when you're alone witthe prisoner. and let's be honest. these guys, a lot of them were working out. they're in great shape, if they turn on you, you don't have enough to get help. thanksgiving, christmas comes, and then you go home to your family, you see them, and then you develop some sort of psychological relationship with people. and i can see this happening, and i can see a friendship developing, and then you don't realize wow this guy chopped people up, no, he's a human being, especially these guys they've been in jail for a long time, so eventually
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relationship develops. >> former homicide detective, thank you very much once again. richard matt has met his maker. he has been shot dead. his associate david sweat still on the lose. >> no reports right now, we will bring you more news on the other side of this break the real question that needs to be asked is
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>> welcome back, we've been reporting escaped murderer richard matt has been shot and killed. david sweat is still on the loose. let's bring in our guest. where do you think david sweat is right now? >> well, i think david sweat is probably somewhere not far from where the incident occurred today where, the police had to confront the other individual. and why do i say that? mainly because we've known, law
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enforcement has known all along these two individuals have traveled together for almost 21 days now since they escaped from the prison. and only been recent they have split apart. the other reason i say that, there was recent evidence they had broken into a cabin not far from the area where the incident occurred today, and police know that both of those individuals have been there at some point -- >> hold on a second, if i can interrupt, tom, really quickly, it was matt's dna discovered in the cabin in malone, new york, not sweat's? >> well, you know, the chances of them splitting up, you know, is likely at this point in time. as i said, they may have been watching tv. they may be onto the news reports at this point in time. police are very sophisticated. they have the hound dogs. they have the bloodhounds. they have the ability to track people very, very, very well.
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>> guys, thank you so much for your help. todd and russ, thank you very much, really quickly, richard matt, the man on the right is dead. shot dead by police. the man on the left, david sweat still at large. >> we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ the ones with the guts to stand apart - join a league all their own. ♪ it's a highly thercontagious disease.here. it can be especially serious- even fatal to infants. unfortunately, many people who spread it may not know they have it. it's called whooping cough. and the cdc recommends everyone, including those around babies, make sure their whooping cough vaccination is up to date.
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. >> what a way to end a very busy week. richard matt is dead, one of the two convicts missing. >> that's right, 49-year-old richard matt shot and killed. hand it over now to deirdre bolton. deirdre: we're going to pick up where you left off, melissa and david. as you say, fox news confirming that escaped prisoner richard matt has been shot and killed. for more, we bring in immediately, former nypd homicide detective bo dietl with me now. so, bo, first and foremost, june 6, these two men escaped from this high-security, maximum-security prison. a breakout that has never happened. one fatally shot by law enforcement. what is happening now? we'rce
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