third the year before, not sure they can deal with that pain. all of the things we see over there will resonate over here. join us every night at 6:00 p.m. if you can't see the show, dvr it. i'll see you in the morning for stuart varney. i'm filling in for him. keep it here on fox business. lou: good evening, everybody, i'm lou dobbs. officials in both san francisco and in the federal government refuse to take responsibility for the liberal policies that led to the tragic murder of a young woman named kate steinle francisco sanchez admits he shot and killed the 32-year-old at a sightseeing pier in san francisco last week. she was a medical device sales representative. she recently moved to san francisco but critics say her death should have been prevented, could have been prevented and sanchez, who had been deported five times to

mexico admits he went specifically to san francisco because the city offers sanctuary for illegal immigrants, including criminal illegal immigrants. yet san francisco's sheriff defends his office's decision to release sanchez and place the blame on the federal government. sheriff ross saying, quote -- they have the sheriff's department to notify i.c.e. before releasing him. and i.c.e. says sanchezs case is one among more than 10,000 in california alone, 17,000 nationwide since january of last year. in which an ice hold on an illegal immigrant was declined or ignored. we take up why our federal government no longer works for

the american people with guy benson and jillian kay melchior, is the city of san francisco legally liable for the murder of kate steinle? lis wiehl and mercedes colwin on that issue, and two authors from the right and the left, from the right, brad thor, from the left naomi woolf on where this country is headed. lots of questions about what direction our country is headed in and who's at the wheel, and her murder ignited a national debate on border security and illegal immigration. francisco sanchez was by any definition a public enemy, well known to federal and local authorities. nonetheless, the sheriff's office simply released him to roam the streets of san francisco and then to kill. among his criminal convictions are at least four felonies for possession of heroin and manufacturing narcotics.

a misdemeanor conviction for inhaling toxic vapors. he's been charged several times with felonies for illegally entering the united states after being deported. he was immediately charged with steinle's murder, and this morning arraigned for the crime. fox news correspondent claudia cowan in san francisco with our report. >> reporter: local law enforcement and federal authorities are playing a very public blame game as each accuses the other allowing a seven-time felon with a long rap sheet to be set free. francisco sanchez was in federal custody for four years when he was handed over to san francisco authorities to answer on an old bench warrant. a transfer supposed to be temporary because he was going to be deported back to mexico for the sixth time. but after the charges were dismissed, the sheriff's department released sanchez without notifying immigration and customs enforcement. less than three months later by

his own admission, sanchez shot and killed 32-year-old kate steinle on a popular san francisco pier. if the feds wanted sanchez back they should have issued an arrest warrant. >> they knew his history with deportations, we did not. they could have taken measures when they brought him here to make sure that there was a warrant or a judicial order which we would honor. >> reporter: at a senate hearing in washington, i.c.e. officials were on the defensive. >> tell me specifically what is preventing us when we have people in this country illegally, and they have had seven prior felony convictions why aren't we able to deport those individuals? >> in that particular case, our detainment was not honored. >> who didn't honor it? >> san francisco sheriff's department did not honor the detainer we lodged. >> reporter: in the hot seat, san francisco's mayor issued a statement saying --

former san francisco mayor senator dianne feinstein issued a statement this afternoon saying sanchez should not have been released and looking into additional federal legislation to prevent this thing from happening again. francisco sanchez and all the lawyers are due back in court at the hall of justice in san francisco on july 22nd. lou? lou: claudia, thank you very much, claudia cowan from san francisco. we'll have much more on this story and this issue later in the broadcast. turning now to the white house. president obama's men trying to put a positive spin on the second missed deadline in a week to reach a deal on iran's nuclear program. >> as secretary kerry himself said back on sunday, we have never been closer to reaching a final agreement than we are now. but there continued to be some significant differences that

remain, and this is a view, this is a view not just of the united states, but the view of all of our p5+1 partners as well. so that's an indication that these talk at least for now, are worth continuing. lou: talk between iran and major world powers will continue until friday. a key problem reportedly iran's insistence that all united nations sanctions against iran be lifted immediately. that includes a ban on the import and export of conventional weapons or all sanctions be lifted immediately possibly. we'll be taking all of this up with former pentagon official k.t. mcfarland and claudia rosette, journalist for the defensive democracies. greece disappointing eurozone leaders at an emergency meeting in brussels. creditors were expecting greece's prime minister to bring with him a new written proposal how to safety country from financial disaster.

instead, prime minister alexis tsipras came with only vague statements and something of a promise to have perhaps a written plan, perhaps with facts and perhaps with numbers. perhaps tomorrow. the patience of the eurozone is really commendable. greek officials for their part say the country's banks are unlikely to reopen this week despite an earlier pledge to do so, not another broken promise, surely not. we're coming right back with much more, stay with us. you remember small ball, that's all the white house wanted to play now big ball, a big game on iran. >> we have never been closer to reaching a final agreement than we are now. lou: what makes the obama administration think it can get from iran in a few days what it hasn't in six years? >> independence day, annual tradition that ends badly

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. lou: breaking news, and it is not good news. the u.s. army planning to cut 40,000 troops over the next two years. general martin dempsey at a senate committee hearing citing

dwindling resources in his decision to cut troop levels to 450,000, 17,000 civilian employees are expected to be laid off. that the same hearing, defense secretary ash carter made a stunning admission about the president's program to train and to arm moderate syrian rebels to defeat the islamic state. >> as of july 3rd, we are currently training about 60 fighters. the reason for that has to do with the criteria we apply and some of this is the law, to these recruits. but we'd like to see more and we're trying to get better at training them because the number 60, is, as you all recognize, is not an impressive number. lou: no, it's a silly number. and for a defense secretary of the united states to stand before congress and actually say that with a straight face, my god!

the administration's goal was to train and equip up to 5400 rebels annually. carter's comments come a day after the president declared that our islamic state strategy depends on local forces. iranian nuclear negotiators have extended talks once again after missing a deadline for a fifth time. here to help make sense of it all, former pentagon official, fox news national security analyst, k.t. mcfarland and journalist and residence at foundation of democracies claudia rosette. good to have you with us. claudia, start with you, the number 60, that was the defense secretary of the united states standing before an important committee in a hearing and actually with a straight faced 60 is not an impressive number when going out to, as the president originally promised to degrade and destroy the islamic state. have we entered the theater of the absurd here? >> we're so far into the

theater of the absurd, i don't know where to begin, lou. look, 60, what that really means is we're turning this over to the iranians whom we have already been helping on this front, which leads tout iran nuclear talk. there is a massive american capitulation going on here to the world's leading terrorist sponsoring state, which, by the way is not going to be stopped by the current endlessly protracted talk from getting nuclear weapons. so, yeah, 60 is an emblem of very bad things. lou: perhaps the avatar for the absurdity that seems to be this administration's foreign policy, k.t.? >> it's all about iran, about president obama's obsession with iran that he's had since five minutes after being sworn into office, we're going to extend the friendship with iran, clench your fists. president obama is chasing after a deal with iran, and all of the things, if you pull the

string, it's all about iran. why is nobody signing up to be trained to fight isis? because guess whose fight they'd have to fight alongside the iranians. if we wanted to deal with isis we'd arm the kurds and the anbar cities why. ? iran doesn't want strong kurds iran doesn't want strong sunni arabs. all of the things go back to president obama's obsession with having a deal with iran, a deal at any price, at any cost. lou: and you claudia sound as though you have reached basically the same conclusion here, that this is capitulation to use claudia's word. >> yeah. lou: is there not a role for our senate, for you our congress, for the loyal opposition? is there not some voice that can be heard above all the others to say to this president, are you out of your mind? i know netanyahu's tried. he's been dismissed. >> here's the problem that

president obama is going to be gone, he's not going to be president five years from now. five years from now there will be a nuclear arms race in the middle east as a result of his policies. the people in congress now, if they still want to be in congress five years from now, they better understand they will be held accountable. obama will be long gone, they'll be there, held accountable, because right now the deal is unverifiable, unenforceable and unbelievable. the other countries in the region are looking at that and laughing saying we can't trust america, iran is getting nukes we have to get our own and nuclear arms race in the middle east. lou: josh earnest said we're not just talking about it, this is worth pursuing the next few days, it is the 5+ 1 countries and, of course, germany, as if the united states needed some company in this thing, some corroboration to continue another 72 hours of negotiations. the white house they just look

so imfeebled, so impotent, it is pitiful. >> the players of the absurd are endless. our partners in negotiation include china, which is one of the great routes for proliferation for iran, that's how they get the materials in the first place. russia which built them a reactor at bashir and helping them avoid sanctions. and now we have the scene where iran is supposed to be the pariah nation under sanctions, the world's leading terrorist sponsoring state. death to america, death to israel, that's what it chant, bankrolls terrorists, hezbollah, hamas, planning to murder people in washington not so long ago. we have had a scene at the negotiating table in vienna for more than 19 months now where all these world powers, the u.s., u.k., france china, russia and germany have been

dictated to by iran. i think china and russia don't mind, but the u.s. which is the leader here, has been falling all over itself to concede what iran makes demands, the u.s. complies. we've got right now the american secretary of state who has been parked in vienna since june 26th, okay, for almost a fort night hoping to appease iran into a deal. this is a message that countries like north korea, china, other countries in the middle east are going to read as it's open season, do anything you want, folks. seeking the bomb is very rewarding. lou: looks as if the principal obstacle, then, is really can the president bow low enough to the ayatollah? >> you know look, 11th hour negotiation happens all the time. and gorbachev tried it with reagan. the north vietnamese tried it with kissinger, you got my phone number, call me, when

you're ready to make a deal, fine. you're on your own. you know who calls back? iran, they cannot economically deal without sanctions. >> in that case, vit image of, if they're going to come crawling -- i better not tell you what the image is. thank you very much. >> x-rated. lou: thank you very much, you have not lifted our spirits but certainly brightened the room and our view of the future. thank you. be sure to vote in tonight's poll -- we'd like to hear from you cast your vote at loudobbs.com. something charles darwin would love, the annual running of the bulls kicking off in pamplona, spain over the first day. only two americans and one briton were gored, we're pleased to report to you. one of the americans gored in the armpit, the britsustained

injuries to groin but none were serious. brits apparently are tougher than most. 15 people have died from goreings in pamplona since record keeping began in 1924 for the annual running of the bulls festival. up next, a few thoughts on the president's pension for deadlines and red lines, interpreting them, subsequently. mother nature not a fan of wendy's frosties. we'll explain that. i promise. and you will find it worth the wait. stay with us. we're coming back straight away. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio.

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they'll get that fixed quickly. the obama administration extend the deadline for the iran nuclear talk as they have again and again, so tonight, a few thoughts on deadlines and red lines, at least as recognized and interpreted by this administration. incredibly it was three years ago that president obama sternly almost theatrically warned iran, quote, the clock is ticking. perhaps the ticking to which mr. obama referred is that of the doomsday clock ticking closer to armageddon since he took office. ticking or not, it's been more than 500 days since the negotiations began, 500 days. over that period, u.s. officials made incredibly nearly 70 transatlantic flights to be at the table for the talk, only to miss yet another deadline. the fifth missed deadline, a deadline is not the only self-imposed line ignored by

the administration. president famously proclaimed that syria's use of chemical weapons would be a, quote, red line for us and vowed consequences. of course, there were none. when faced with tough action against syrian president assad mr. obama simply instead cowered and turned to putin for help. but mr. obama's self-imposed lines didn't stop there, vowing to, quote, degrade and destroy the islamic state in syria and iraq. a claim he repeated incredibly yesterday, followed by these comments. >> for hearts and minds is going to be a generational struggle. ultimately not going to be won or lost by the united states alone. it will be decided by the country's and the communities that terrorists like isil target. lou: and that made sense apparently to the president himself. a generational struggle so much for degrade and destroy.

the president's strategy now seems to be more like irritate and retreat. the president's refusal to stand by deadlines and enforce red lines only of course emboldens our adversaries and diminishes our position in the world. and this latest missed deadline in the iranian nuclear talk only stands to accelerate the process. our quotation of the evening now. this one on the administration's harangues, admonishments and endless warnings to countries. the quotation by one of my favorite geopolitical thinkers catherine troya mcfarland known as k.t. around here. it's starting to feel like a while has arrived.

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lou: top stories this hour, the new deadline for a nuclear deal with iran, now friday. iran wants all sanctions including arms embargoes, et cetera dropped immediately. the united states apparently at least tonight not willing to go that far. we'll see. the pentagon won't say how close russian bombers came to american airspace on july 4th. f-22's were scrambled to intercept the bombers flying off the coast of california and alaska. no incident, of course. the women's national soccer team celebrating with fans in los angeles. first public appearance since beating japan 5-2 to take the world cup final sunday. hillary clinton conducting her first national interview as a 2016 presidential candidate. i know you're excited. she used the occasion to target, what else, who else? donald trump. >> i'm very disappointed in those comments, and i feel very

bad and very disappointed with him and with the republican party for not responding immediately and saying enough, stop it. but they are all in the same general area on immigration. lou: joining us now -- did you notice how -- i don't know if she was sincere how disappointed she was. we're going to find out, jillian kay melchior writes for the national review, and guy benson, political editor for townhall.com and co-author of the book, end of discussion, how the left's outrage shuts down debate, manipulates voters and makes americans love safe. i think that is longer than any subtitle on any one of my books. >> we tried. lou: are you kidding me? she's disappointed.

>> the highest expectations for trump and the republican party. i think with the trump thing that's an easy potshot for her to take, we're looking at a republican party that has many candidates that appeal to latino voters, ted cruz, marco rubio and spanish speaking jeb bush. lou: are you dismissing the rest as being unappealing to the hispanic-american voter? >> i think it's notable. lou: whoa! that's a heavy statement. >> no as a premise. i'm saying that this is an incredibly diverse field of candidates and it's not through party of affirmative action, it's through merits, that needs to be applauded that's lost. lou: guy, what do you think, we're asking our poll tonight is donald trump a positive force or a negative force primarily in the view of the audience in the gop race, what do you make of it? >> first of all, so interesting

to see hillary clinton denouncing hillary clinton donor donald trump. i wonder if she'll return the money he's given her over the years. lou: i can see that happening almost immediately. >> and went onto tie donald trump to the serious republicans in the race. donald trump is not really a conservative. if you look at his record over many decades and said that the entire party falls along a, quote, spectrum of hostility on the issue of immigration. lou: i love that spectrum of hostility. >> i wonder where she falls on the spectrum of hostility. as u.s. senator she gave an interview where she said she was adamantly opposed to illegal immigrants, not illegal immigration, illegal immigrants. so she falls i assume on the spectrum, maybe between jeb bush and donald trump. we'll have to ask her. if someone would ask her a follow-up question sometime in the next few months. lou: your thoughts, positive or negative? >> i think he's an absolutely negative influence in politics.

>> in politics? >> in politics. he's pushing the populist line. lou: ah! populist. >> absolutely. lou: let me ask you a question i find that interesting, populist means for the people. what would be the antithesis of that? >> i would say either elite? lou: corporatist? would it be chamber of commerce, business roundtable, establishment, elite, what would you say? you're obviously not populist, what would you describe yourself as? >> i would rather have politicians be enlightened. lou: oh, enlightened. that's great. that's a way to connect with the 300 million people right away. you recommend that for candidates? >> no, i would like them to be superior, i'd like them to have a bit more elevated ideas. >> how superior can you get? worth 9 billion dollars, speaks his mind, he's not afraid of political fallout.

he misspeaks, he said he's absolutely loves the mexican people. ticked off at mexican government, that wouldn't be elitist enough for you because you would be too discerning to think perhaps we should have a parity with our neighbor to the south in terms of governing the border, is that correct? >> he'd mentioned ad hominem attack on immigrants, it sounds unfair. lou: do you know what david called the giant goliath? in the bible. >> tell me. lou: are you ready? >> yes. lou: uncircumcised fillistene. what would happen if the book samuel would be written right now? >> that's quite the interesting question. lou: i'm just -- i think it's a wonderful country as long as we don't give up our rights and free speech in individuality. >> hang on. lou: you get the last answer here. i'm not going to answer the

question, you get the last answer. >> is donald trump david in the analogy, the $9 billion guy with the $10,000 suits, who's goliath? lou: i think you missed the point of that, guy? >> i think i did. lou: you focus on the uncircumcised phillistine. >> okay, i'll focus on that in the future. lou: the fact is willed you write the book of samuel in that manner if you are in the high bound orthodoxy of modern day america which you can't spit without saying pretty please. >> i see, the way that people deliver insults. when you are running for political -- lou: no, no, not the way they deliver insults. the way they speak choosing to insult or acquiesce or appease or argue. it's a free country, what happened to that? >> look, that's a big theme of our book, end of discussion. lou: what's the name of that book again? >> end of discussion. lou: end of discussion. and you know what? so it is here tonight. guy, thanks for being with us,

we appreciate it. >> thank you, lou. lou: thank you, both. a canadian trying to soar high above the clouds landing himself behind bars. 26-year-old daniel boria tied 110 helium balloons to his lawn chair and took flight. he claims he rose about 10,000 feet in the air before deciding to parachute off the chair. that makes it sound like somebody questioned his judgment. he injured his foot upon landing, the stunt an attempt to proclaim his solution company, but law enforcement not amused. officials charged him with one count of mischief, causing danger to life and not necessarily the publicity he was looking for, but good going nonetheless. up next, a tragic murder in san francisco a national debate on illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and a border wide open. and a florida state quarterback doing the unthinkable. we take up both cases with our attorneys here next.

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. lou: the florida state seminoles dismissed deandre johnson from the team, coming after the state's attorneys office released this video showing johnson punching a

woman in the face last month at a tallahassee bar. johnson known as mr. football in florida is facing misdemeanor battery charge. jose baez claims his victim was provoked with fist raised and claimed she kneed him in the groin area. he's gone. joining us now, two of the best attorneys in the business, lis wiehl, mercedes colwin, both fox news legal analysts and great to have you here. lis, let's start with the 19-year-old. >> there's no provocation that renders that okay at all. i mean that is an assault. lou: i don't think there's any doubt of it being okay. >> baez is -- lou: that video shows an assault, absolutely. >> baez's attorney is arguing, she provoked, racial slurs, that's why he did it. it didn't matter. look at video, that evidence is, it's over for him. >> absolutely.

listen, for me, my sister died is a victim of domestic violence. anything like this is beyond the pale. show it to the jury, go for, it bring the criminal charges on. you think the jury is going to say we're going to give a pass looks like he was kneed in the groin. >> that's the only thing the defense can bring, they have the video. the only thing jose baez can bring is the provocation, she provoked him, said horrible things to him. >> no excuse. >> i agree. i understand why the defense is putting that forward. lou: these cases are to me appalling. >> yeah, right. lou: because they're playing the pr game here, they want us talking about whether or not she called him a name or whether she pushed him. for crying out loud. >> it doesn't matter. lou: that's what i wanted to hear. >> a man is a man is a man, be a man. you get provoked, walk away. did you see the video over and over again, that punch. her head goes like that and her

nose is broken. lou: that's the other thing, with video. i won't say this, i'll say it this way. there are a lot of football programs, i don't know how talented this fellow is as a football player. this isn't going to be wrapped up quite as quickly as with that evidence, right? >> right. right. lou: let's turn to another insanity, that is the city of san francisco joining 102 other cities as sanctuary cities, so-called. what power do they have? where do they get the authority to say they will not obey federal law and will refuse to turn over an illegal immigrant. >> they pass city ordinances which i think are illegal. to pass the city ordinance saying we're not going to deal with the feds. lou: well lawdy law. >> exactly. i think the 102 states or cities are crazy to be able do this. lou: congressman matt salmon is introducing legislation to get this over with. >> get rid of it.

lou: the reality is this is the president who said, you know, federal law takes precedence here, the attorney general sued i don't know how many states because they were interfering. but not touching one single sanctuary city. >> doesn't that say something to you? the immigration issue is a hot potato. i agree with you. when have you federal law, it's mandated, city and state. only exception or when the city and state can move forward and say this is within our inner sanctum, we have specific reasons to have this law. only when it deals with specific day to day issues. lou: 103 cities are violating federal law and because there's been a democratic president for the past seven years, they've gotten away with it, and because they've had an acquiescent and appeasing republican president for the previous eight, they're getting away with it. >> and other states are violating federal law with the marijuana laws. passing these saying it's okay to smoke.

it's okay to have recreational marijuana. lou: this young lady, can she sue? >> unfortunately, she cannot. it's tragic, she's not going to sue the illegal immigrant. lou: i'm talking about suing the city. >> i understand that. they're not going to. only in a special relationship. if she had a special relationship with the state, and she does not. no, she cannot sue. >> bad law, can't sue. lou: great attorneys, though. good to have you with us. >> thank you. lou: on wall street stocks reversing sharp losses closing higher, the dow gaining 93 points, the nasdaq up 6 points. volume on the big board heavy trading, 4.4 billion shares. a reminder listen to my reports three times a day coast-to-coast on the salem radio network. mother nature sent a bolt of lightning. cell phone video at the moment lightning struck a wendy's restaurant in gainesville, florida. whoa! talk about lighting it up.

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. . lou: alert now. hillary clinton advisors are very concerned senator bernie sanders could overtake her in the iowa polls by the fall. even defeat here in the first nominates contest. across the country includings in portland, maine. look there. 7500 folks showed up. sanders popularity media scrutiny. "new york times" pointing out sanders wrote an article in the 1970s paper, quote cancer could be caused by psychological

factors, hostility toward one's mother burying aggression beneath a facade of pleasantness and having too few orgasms. brad thorpe has a brand new book out today, "code of conduct." political consultant, leading feminist, naomi wolf, author of the best-seller "the end of america." not the most inspiring title. i don't know a lot of people would argue with you. great to see you. >> great to be here. lou: start with bernie sanders he wrote drivel 50 years ago. i think many of us would admit to having written some drive 50 years ago. what is the big deal for "the times"? or more recently in my case. >> we all write drivel at some point have long enough career. what struck me when i saw the quote, opposition research

looking for bernie sanders couldn't find anything recent. >> bingo. >> had to go way back for decades. '70s everyone was writing things they probably wouldn't be delighted to stand by now. so just a sign after very squeaky-clean candidate to me. lou: do you see bernie sanders as exigent threat to the republican party? >> everybody not gop is losing sleep worrying about bernie. what it tells us there is a strong constituency on the democrat side that doesn't want hillary clinton. if you look at the recent "quinnepiac polling" in iowa he really made up a lot of ground against her. she is under 60% first time in recent polling. a lot of people on democrat side don't want hillary clinton. >> i agree with you. lou: as a feminist, are you simpatico? are you supporter of hillary clinton? has she got problems with that wing, if you can call it that? may be the entire bird of the democratic party. >> well i, i never the kind of feminist who believes that you

should vote for someone because of their gender. i believe that people should be success on their merits. while i'm excited theoretically as chance of having a woman president, much more of me is horrified by her record as warmongerrer and her willingness to continue a legacy of wars all over the world and being hostage to special interests. lou: seems to me, fred, that we've got some sort of polar stars here in these parties. bernie sanders who is inconvenient entrant into what should be a coronation for hillary clinton and suddenly donald trump may be on his way to dominating the entire field to force the attention that the candidates and media are giving him. >> for now. you and i talked about this last time i was on the show. i think trump is good for the republican primary. i would like to see snooki get into the race as well. from the jersey shore.

i would like to see snooki in. a character like trump draws attention to the race. and so people are starting to look at this and pay attention. if we get young people that just know him for the "celebrity apprentice" that is good for body politic in general. maybe you want snooki on your side to challenge bernie sanders from further to the left, i don't know. lou: seriously, bernie sanders is the lightning rod right now. and donald trump is a lightning rod on the right. they are making it a far more interesting contest than it would be otherwise i think we can agree. >> they are, but, lou, you know i'm usually the debbie downer at these discussions. lou: no, don't be. >> feels like theater. basically our system is hostage to six major industries. there is always surprise they are candidate to make things sort of interesting and seem exciting. like there could be a real chance to have their voices

heard. but in fact we all know there will be a coronation on both sides. lou: so you think it is, we'll draw on the dna of the bush many family again and the clinton family? >> i would bet money. i would bet money on that, i will, yes. a bottle of good champagne if it isn't bush or hillary. >> i don't want to see it happen, i think washington status quo establishment that scratches backs on both sides no matter bush-clinton matchup, no matter they win. >> they win. >> big government. lots of money, special interests through and through. >> exactly. >> peace in our time. it is amazing. >> although probably means we're both equally disillusioned. >> right. lou: i thought we were going to see remnants of clothing being ripped from torsos and tooth and nail idealogical battle between the two of you. >> interesting where we are, people care about the country on left and right i found in my

journeys have come together. they don't care what the differences are. they care about the big picture. it is not our country anymore. people on the inside as brad said really represent the same special interests even though the parties switch back and forth. >> i would agree. one of the reasons i left illinois. there is not a bit of difference between the republican party and democrat party there. it is all about special interests. i would agree, you i want to speak if i may. first of all thank you for being so bright and sharing thoughts with us. and now, in interest of special interests, i want to mention a book, "code of conduct" out today. your premise. >> my premise? actually i got the premise from an article at fox news. great writer george russell uncover ad secret document leaked out of a u.n. meeting at an alpine retreat in austria. it was terrifying. i thought it would make a great summer beach read. lou: i guarranty you it will be a beach read, mountain read, a

backyard read. a go to sleep read if you can. brad's books are always amazing. good to have you here. >> thank you, lou. lou: always good to see you, naomi. >> thank you. lou: that's it for us tonight. come to see us tomorrow. colonel ralph peters. ♪ kennedy: happiest tuesday and it is always of the dobbs variety lou's day. tonight i'm watching hillary clinton feel the bernie. democrats sweating to the oldies with these two. donkeys are making a dent in the race we have to take sanders seriously. clinton camp is reportingly getting nervous in bernie's surprising surge and growing momentum in early voting states. i see some good news. i want you to hear me out. nice to see hillary exposed for being a terrible campaigner. shame took an avowedded socialist to do it. since raul castro can't run