now it is up 16%. $114.06 per share. it has more than doubled this calendar year. that is it for me. david asman sitting in for neil. david, it is yours. >> i'm counting money i lost on netflix. iranians are celebrating maybe not for long. i'm david asman in for neil cavuto. glad you could join us today. signs iran's neighbors could run to get their own nuclear arms. the president said this may calm down the nuclear arms race. other people saying it could do just the opposite n moments the republican presidential candidate with a plan he says will put an end to turmoil in the middle east once and for all. you want to hear that. the dash for cash on the left but does bernie sanders have more donations than hillary clinton? the eye-popping fund-raising numbers you will not believe. never mind saying wary cities. have we become a sanctuary nation. >> you don't have to be the

sheriff to figure out what is going to happen. you will have murders. you will have rapes. you will have armed robbery and burglary and everything else. we are. it will get worse. >> that was arizona sheriff paul babeu telling us right here the problems will spread from coast to coast. we debate it here own "cavuto: coast to coast". but first are we on the brink of an arms race in the middle east? fears that iran's neighbors are getting their own nukes because of this iranian deal. the founding director of the cia counterterrorism center has shocking things to say what is really going on in the middle east. mr. clarridge, you're on the phone. good to talk to you. thank you very much for coming. the president says his iranian deal will slow down a middle east arms race to which you say what? >> this is just simply another foolish assertion of obama.

he must think that the majority of the americans are as ignorant as the, as the americans who vote for him. i mean this is absolute nonsense. it will create an arms race. >> well, specifically, where? a lot of people, mr. contrary ridge, talked about saudi arabia. they certainly have more money than anybody in the middle east. are you concerned about the possibility that they may get a nuclear bomb? >> saudis already have the bomb. but people fail to remember -- >> hold on a second, mr. clarridge. let me emphasize that point. you say saudi arabia already has a nuclear bomb? >> or several. >> from where did they get it? they don't have a nuclear program, do they? >> well, people forget that it was the saudis who financed the pakistaney bomb. they put billions of dollars

into that effort to create that nuclear capability. and in return of course they get something. now, people can argue, well whether it was dibs on four nuclear device oars seven. that is the argument. but no one really in the know argues that they do have access to nuclear weapons. >> well this is extraordinary news for a lot of americans, mr. clarridge. you do, just for those who don't know your background you have a very extensive background in the cia you still have a lot of contacts in the middle east. these nuclear weapons you say saudi arabia has now, are they in saudi arabia or in pakistan waiting to be shipped to saudi arabia or what? >> i can't answer that question. but what i can say is people argue whether the saudis could actually deliver the weapons to iran. i say they could. they have a capability with

their f 15s and don't forget. the chinese missile system is, sits in the middle of the desert of saudi arabia. which has been kept up-to-date. but to really do some damage to saudi arabia, the f-15s could easily, easily destroy the oil facilities of finish that all off. >> final question, mr. clarridge. we're short on time. is it conceivable that the saudis may use these nuclear weapons if they have them, to take out these positions in iran before the iranians get a bomb? >> i can not answer that question but i think if you sit around some evening on your patio with a fine glass of vintage port and a fine cigar you may be able to come up with the answer yourself. >> all right. duane clarridge.

a legend in the cia. thank you very much for joining us. now former margaret thatcher aide nile gardiner says this deal is only temporary and isn't close to solving the problem permanently. first of all, your reaction, you know duane clarridge, you know his history. he founded the counterterrorism center of the cia what do you think of his assertions that the saudis already have a nuclear bomb in territory or access to a nuclear bomb? >> i'm not sure the details on that. but let me say this. that without a doubt this iran deal is going to spark a nuclear arms race in the middle east. and if saudi arabia already indeed has nuclear capability, they're going to significantly advance that forward now, that iran will be becoming undoubtedly a nuclear power within the next decade i think through this agreement. so you are going to see not only saudis but a number of other u.s. allies in the gulf states

who will be looking to develop their own nuclear programs, also turkey in addition, will seek to become a nuclear power. and without a doubt i think that you're going to have increasingly dangerous situation with the irans, in my view becoming a nuclear weapons power within a decade. they threatened to wipe israel off the face of the map. they continue do so. they are increasingly hostile toward american allies in the middle east. this extremely dangerous situation that created through this deal, a disasterous one in my view. stuart: we haven't talked about israel which already is probably another nuclear state. do you think they would just sit by passively and wait for iran to develop a nuclear weapon even though, if they attacked iran right now that would be going against the interests of the obama administration? >> well, that is extremely good question. and, for the israelis, the iran

nuclear deal isn't just some sort of a academic debate. this is an issue of survival for the israeli people. and i do believe that the israelis will do anything necessary in order to halt iran from many abouting a nuclear weapons power. and that includes the use of military force against iran's nuclear facilities. i think iran deal actually ironically makes likelihood of israeli military action now far more likely. >> okay. >> and i think for the israelis, they are literally fighting for their long-term survival and iran is a genocidal country and they are quite willing to use nuclear weapons against israel once they possess them. >> they certainly are supporter of terrorism. in fact we have some breaking news, nile, we have to switch to that may involve terrorism. we don't know yet. nile gardner. thank you very much. we're getting breaking news of a shooting at a military reserve base in chattanooga, tennessee.

chattanooga mayor andy burke says in a quick briefing there was a shooting at the base this morning and there is an officer down. that's all we have now. we can't tell you who is responsible, whether that person or persons responsible are on the loose or not. but we are going to continue to bring you these breaking developments throughout the hour right here on fbn. meanwhile iranians about to use money from this deal and all their oil to fund terror. that is not republicans saying that. that is actually the obama administration or someone in it saying that. take a listen. >> it is possible and in fact we should expect that some portion of that money would go to the iranian military and could potentially be used for the kinds of bad behavior that we have seen in the region up until now. >> to former energy secretary spencer abraham on oil money going to bad purposes. i was really shocked to hear an admission like that from susan rice. were you?

>> yeah. sort of a startling statement and act noodgement what a lot of people already pointed out which is this is pathway that's fairly quick one to the lifting of sanctions which quickly turns into the exporting of oil, the gaining of revenues and ability to use revenues for evil purpose. >> she is essentially saying, yes, we're helping iran fund terrorism. >> i know. it sounds exactly like the rhetoric of the people who have opposed this deal from the beginning and with good rhine. we should assume the iranians will act as expeditiously as they can to get those sanctions lifted and once that happens, the oil starts flowing out, the money starts flowing in and how that money is used as a state sponsor of terrorism in various places we don't know but we can speculate it will be for very bad purposes.

>> secretary abraham, i don't mean to switch gears entirely for you, as former energy secretary you were involved with a lot of security issues with our own nuclear weapons. i don't know if you heard duane clarridge, former cia operator, that saudi arabia has a nuclear weapon. do you know anything about that at all? >> i'm not going to comment on that. i think most of the expectation is, if in fact iran begins to renege on this deal, that other states in the region are growing to be inclined to try to protect themselves. and that is the kind of concerns i think a lot of the opponents in this deal have had. there is almost nothing to stop the spread of an arms race in the region once this deal moves forward, which, it appears that it will. >> i pill push back a little bit because there i know there are national security issues at all but are you not going to talk about that because you know somebody about it or you know

nothing about saudi arabia nukes? >> i do not know what the status of their capabilities are. i just know what they certainly would feel in terms of the imminent threat that might be posed here and i think they certainly have the resources. >> yes they do. >> to act on that concern. >> and they did fund a majority of pakistan's nuclear program as well. spencer abraham, former secretary of energy, thank you very much for being with us, sir appreciate it. >> good to be with you. >> to hear the left tell it the deal is needed for peace iranian deal and stability in the middle east. many on the right this is armageddon waiting to happen. larry sabato. different messages on both sides. how are voters divided on this issue? >> david, it is very, very interesting. most people really don't know the details of this deal and don't have the background to evaluate it. so how do they decide when wheny see some people on tv saying this is the dawning of the age of aquarius and other people

saying this is the dawn of armageddon? the answer is partisan identification. the vast majority of people are judging this deal based on whether they're democrats or republicans. they respond to the spokespeople of either the democrats or republicans depending what their party is. david, there is one exception, jewish-americans. they're very split on this even though they tend to be overwhelmingly democratic. you see some, some jewish-americans splitting off from the democratic party on this issue. >> well, larry, here is something all americans care about. 1980 elections proved that. u.s. hostages held by iran. and there are at least four of them right now that are still held by iran. this deal did nothing to extricate them from their captors. the president of course got very angry at one of the questions yesterday during his press conference that suggested he didn't care about the hostages but if the american people think this administration is not doing enough, the democrats are not

doing enough that could hurt them in the elections, no? >> well, if the republicans use that as an issue and i assume they will. by the way the president, david, in his press conference made it worse for the democratic party and for the democratic nominee. why? he got angry. he drew much more attention to that particular part of this overall picture with iran simply because he reacted the way he did. >> yeah. we shall see. larry sabato. good to see you, my friend. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up he is rich, he is very rich and wants us all to know about it. he is not running away from it all. donald trump is billionaire many times over. while he is shouting from the mountaintops about how rich he is and how great he would be as president other candidates are trying to hide their wealth. the wealth factor, will it play in 2016? we talk about that come right up. ♪

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just so you know, he raises more than $700,000 a day from the day he raised newsment through the end of june. you have a lot of money from ted cruz, marco rubio and rick perry. something to note really quick about clinton. she is bringing in money from big donors, lobbyists, grassroots, small players, she could really improve there. that is where bernie sanders is beating her and well, everybody else, david. david: that is where president obama was beating hillary clinton back in 2007, 2008, those small little donors. it adds up. >> it does. they vote for you. david: eventually. lauren, thank you very much. start your morning with lauren, sandra smith and nicole petallides, "fbn:am," 5:00 a.m. eastern time for everything you need to know to prepare for your day. just a pleasant way to begin your day with the ladies who know all the business. thank you very much. well the gop not embracing "the donald." >> i don't agree with donald trump's comments but what

americans are looking for is not rhetoric, they're looking for a record and they're looking for solutions. david: tune in at 2:00 p.m. eastern for trish regan's full interview with 2016 candidate rick perry. tea party.com niger inis says gop should embrace donald trump. democratic strategist julie roginsky says he is bad news and rick perry knows it. nigel, no one is embracing "the donald" except for a plurality of republican voters. they can't be discounted, can think? >> they absolutely can not, and the donald, if you will, should not be underestimated. he struck a tone. you could say the way he has communicated his point of view has been sloppy but there is no question that the american people are not just republicans by the way. a lot of independents, a lot of democrats are hungering for raw and naked truth. the donald knows how to deliver

it. david: sometimes, frankly, julie, the message is sloppy and sometimes lack details or facts needed to back it up but i know first of all how much you care deeply about the republican party. >> tremendously. david: but would you counsel them to stay away from "the donald" or get closer to him. >> i would counsel them to run as far as they can. you had a poll came out today, univision poll, that showed something like eight out of 10 latinos are vehemently opposed to not just donald trump's message but really, reflecting poorly on the rest of the gop field. so what happens is, in this election as was in the previous election, the share of the white vote is getting smaller. the share of latino vote is getting larger. if the gop doesn't begin to harness part of that vote they're going to lose and continue to lose national elections. all there is too it. simple math. david: niger, you and i would argue, i think correctly univision has position just as far to one side as donald trump has on the other side of the so

the way they report it naturally the polling among the latino community is terrible against donald trump but it is there. how do you combat that? if donald trump is the nominee, do you write off the latino vote entirely? >> well, look, if donald trump becomes the nominee, that would be akin to bernie sanders becoming the nominee of the democratic party. it would be revolutionary. i think real question, david, is not even so much the latino vote. i think the question is what is donald trump's endgame? is he going to be buchanan in 19 the 2, after challenging president h.w. bush, all of our prayers go out to the entire bush family, is person unites the party, challenges bush and primary but loses and then unites. david: or perot. >> or ross perot. david: ross perot, of course, cost bush the legislation against, first time bill clinton. julie, i wonder, if you think there is any chance that trump

would run as independent if jeb bush -- he said publicly he can't stand. if jeb bush is nominee trump would run as independent? >> i would feel sorry for jeb bush. pat buchanan, he was keynote speaker in '92, gave very incendiary as keynote address speaker that further divided social conservatives from the non-social conservatives in the republican party. you don't want him in pat buchanan role where he gets prominent speaking role and inflames tensions with the latino community going forward. david: niger, you want to respond. we literally run out of time. we have breaking news. julie, niger, great to see both of you. you're good people. take care. look netflix shares. this is worth a stock alert. up over six teen% when stuart ended his session 20 minutes ago.

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david: more breaking news on that situation in chattanooga. at first it was said to be happening on a naval base. now the fbi is responding that it could be at a navy recruiting facility. but again, they don't know specifically where. we do know it is in the chattanooga, tennessee, area. at the same time we are hearing that there was no shooting at the reserve center. that comes from where? that comes from the u.s. navy itself. so whether it was at a base or at a navy recruiting center or somewhere else we're not exactly sure. all we are sure of is they're investigating reports of a

shooting at a navy recruiting building on lehigh way in chatting into ga. chattanooga. er linger hospital is locked down on proximity where the shooting may have taken place. mayor is tweeting, horrific incident in our community. we will release details as they are confirmed. prayers to all those affected. that is a chilling tweet. we don't have the details right now exactly what exactly happened. it is serious for the mayor to be very concern and to ask indeed for your prayers. back to iran now an concerns from its neighbors, a new report revealing the u.s. planning to boost military aid to israel as prime minister netanyahu is fearing disaster. in an interview scheduled to air 2:00 p.m. eastern time rick perry telling trish regan israel has a right to be concerned. take a listen. >> this is basically sending the message to iran we'll give them international recognition they can in fact have a nuclear

weapon in the future and i think that is so counter to what america has always been about. it is sending a negative message to our allies. david: but fellow presidential candidate and former virginia governor jim gilmore thinks we need to form a nato-like alliance with these countries against iran. governor, i thought we already had one? >> not a good enough one. i think we have to send a decisive message. we'll not permit iran to have a nuclear bomb. we're not doing that now. this is a flimflam con game that we're playing. iranians continue to build even while they're disassembling. david: another man running in your party, lindsey graham, says this deal guaranties iran will get a nuclear weapon. would you go that far? >> i think that is the danger, yes. i do go that far. i think it's a serious problem we have to address. they will still conduct terrorism. this agreement still doesn't allow inspections necessary.

it opens up small arms back to this country while they're supplying people all across the middle east. so that is why instead of just bemoaning the fact what i have done here as part of my foreign policy thinking said we need to actually form a much more established nato in the middle east that would provide collective security going forward. maybe that can do something to slow down an arms race that i'm afraid this flimflam agreement is going to create. david: by the way, do you have any explanation as to why the administration at the last minute let go of the arms embargo? >> they wanted a deal so badly they were willing to give up something. it is not pistols, rifles, it is message to the sends to the saudis and kuwaitis united states will permit this infusion of danger to the middle east. they must respond. unless the united states can manage this creating a new collective security alliance with american leadership. david: they must respond and probably will respond if their

safety and future is in jeopardy. clearly israel already said they would. if in fact it's a guarranty that iran gets a bomb if this thing goes through, passes through congress, doesn't that mean it's a guarranty israel will strike iran before they get a bomb? >> if i become the president i will take the position very strongly, very clearly, very publicly, privately and in every way within iran may not have a nuclear bomb. and they need to rethink the direction that they're going and to rethink terrorist activities, to rethink this nuclear program and enter the concord and harm any of nations but this agreement does not further that and that is the danger we're creating. david: by the way we had dane clarridge before, counterterrorism center of cia founder. he suggested that the saudis already have a bomb whether it is on their territory or waiting for them in pakistan, waiting for delivery from pakistan. do you know anything about that. >> i certainly do not but i think that if we see the saudis

with a bomb, iranians with bomb, israelis with a bomb, it is very, very dangerous situation. requiring american affirmative diplomacy and action in the community. not pulling back an withdrawing, sending a message of lack of leadership and lack of will. in that regard if i were to become president i would rebuild america's strength not to create war, but to create peace. peace through strength approach. the lid has to come off the defense budget. we continue to send an international message of weakness and uncertainty. david: governor, we have more breaking news from chattanooga. good luck on the campaign trail, governor jim gilmore. the u.s. navy is confirming on twitter at a building on amnicola highway. we're still getting details. we have more right after a break.

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david: breaking news. this still a very dangerous story in chattanooga, tennessee. the mayor says police are pursuing an active shooter after reports of a shooting at a military reserve center. we played, we showed you the tweet moments ago where the mayor said this was a horrific situation without releasing details about the shooting but this is now confirmed near the campus, we say campus, it is a military reserve center. they call it a campus but that everybody within that area of the military reserve center

should stay inside, close and lock all doors. the campus itself is on a lockdown by, right now. but active pursuit of a shooter resulting from this shooting at military reserve center in chattanooga. former nypd officer bill stanton joining us on the phone. bill, we were just talking to governor jim gilmore who was chairman of the homeland security department and he was mentioning how once a shooting like this happens, even if turns out totally unrelated to terror, the whole terrorism network gets put in play pursuing details of this case, correct? >> yes. as it should. you know, once that trigger is flipped, once that trigger is pulled, that switch flipped all these things go into place. a lot of things are going on while this is taking place. there is tell against going -- intelligence going on in the

background and atf, fbi, s.w.a.t. teams initiating what they do on the ground. david: right now, it takes the fbi, as fast as they are, it takes fbi and other agencies you mentioned to take a while to get to place like chattanooga. meantime it is just the police force, right? >> hopefully, a lot of small irpolice departments are better trained than larger ones, they constantly, they are smaller police departments. many of them do have s.w.a.t. training and many of their officers are swat trained. when an emergency like this goes into place they react. hopefully we have that situation going on now. david: well, again your police department with history of 9/11 and everything they're well-equipped to deal with a situation like that. i can't imagine chattanooga, tennessee, police force as much as they might try to gin up to something if in fact it turns out to be a major terrorist event? >> you're correct there because

you know what? there are only so much resource and only some police officers. i don't know the size, can't -- chattanooga police department but these men, these men and officers, men and women in blue are literally putting their lives on the line right now and the information that is being gathered is paramount because it coo save lives, meaning is this a self-initiated terrorist? is this just someone that lost it? is it someone within, in the reserves or someone that invaded the campus? all these things need to be found out in real time. david: of course. we should mention it is not only the chattanooga police force. this happened on a military reserve center. we have to assume that the folks in the military on that campus have some access to weapons to protect themselves and also to the security forces of their own. bill stanton, thank you very much for joining us. again we'll keep a very close eye on this situation. senator john thune joins us now. we are going to talk about some

other issues, senator thune. but if you don't mind want to start with the situation breaking in chattanooga. your thoughts as we wade into this situation. we don't know details, the chattanooga mayor andy burke said it was horrific situation. clearly he has some pretty awful details. >> and our thoughts and prayers go out to the people in chattanooga. as more details emerge we'll learn more about this. we hope they can apprehend this gunman as quickly and possible and hope and pray for the best of the people there. david: i apologize, you didn't know this was coming but that is the nature of breaking news. we wanted to talk to you about a report on obamacare, very disturbing report. the gao, government accountability office, which is non-partisan, a well-respected, independent agency, has looked into the issue of fraud in obamacare and finding some very frightening stats. go ahead and explain what they found. >> right.

well we had the person who conducted the study this morning at the gao come in front of the senate finance committee, david and reported in 12 circumstances they tried to get enrolled in obamacare and get subsidies that come with that, in 11 of those 12 cases they succeeded which is really, really disturbing. david: that is failure rate. forgive me quick calculation, that is failure rate of 92%? >> that is correct. that is, that is very disturbing thing. in questions of him about what front end controls or back end controls, how do they authenticate these people who come in are real people because they use fake social security number, fake income statements all those sorts of things to get by the screen. in just obviously they succeeded. and then they got, they tried reenrolling later. some of them initially there was some filter that kicked them out but they got reenrolled a second time. clearly it isn't working.

another example of obamacare, not only ongoing but new failures these revelations come out almost on a daily basis. david: there is an answer, senator and you and i know what it is. only way to reduce fraud, obamacare, medicare, whatever, put the individual more in charge of his own bill. when you're in charge of looking at your bill accounting for it, you better believe you will note every extra charge on there. if you hand it to insurance companies or government or some third party, we're going in the opposite direction, of putting the individual more in charge, are we not? >> we are. one of the things we saw in our state of south dakota, the blues which cover 70% of the individual market announced they would increase their rates by 43%. reason they attribute there, in obamacare, people enroll use high cost health care and drop coverage entirely. utilization rate was triple what they anticipated. to your point, when somebody

else is paying the bill, people game the system that is what happened hire. a report came out here office of inspector general at the department of health and human services said last year there were $3 billion in payments went out that they couldn't account for. they don't know if they were legitimate or not. just a lot of information coming out there aren't safeguards, there aren't checks in place to insure taxpayer dollars are being used wisely and well. that has got to change this is unacceptable and american taxpayer deserves better. david: also unacceptable, the fcc designation as internet as new kind of entitlement everybody should have for free. we wanted to talk to you about that. we'll have you back on to talk about it i know you're right in the center of that fight as well. senator john thune, good to see you, thank you very much. >> you bet. david: more on this very fluid situation in chattanooga, tennessee, where some kind of a horrific shooting has taken place at a military reserve center. details are slow in coming out.

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david: working on bringing out details from chattanooga where there is a police active pursuit of a shooter at a military installment in chattanooga or near chattanooga. we are getting word from the mayor that there has been a horrendous shooting, details of which he is not shared with the public as of yet as this investigation continues. apparently they do not have the shooter, whoever was responsible for this horrific incident has not been captured. that is why there is a lockdown on the military base where it happened. everybody in the area is being advised to keep doors and windows locked. we're getting word from josh

devine, pr official in charge of the tennessee bureau of investigation that quote, we are working to determine our potential involvement in the chattanooga incident. we will update you as we know more. very scant details at the moment. there is lockdown on the base and everybody in the air is on edge as they pursue the shooter. meanwhile greek prime minister tsipras sass austerity is bad for his country but continuing to move forward with measures. bernie sanders says greek austerity is cruel and non-productive. mark says tsipras and sanders is living in a ferry tale world. liz macdonald. i think they play this politically pretty well. they had no cards to play at all in this until they had that election. they painted themselves as victims here. big bad germans forces them to do things with austerity that

were awful. they are victims. got the obama administration to come in on their behalf. send our treasury secretary over to europe to defend the greek position. i think they were pretty clever here. what do you think? >> i think they were clever, david. interesting parallels with american politics. i think prime minister tsipras is the hillary clinton of greek politics because he was elected based on opposition to free market economics. that is blowing up in his face now. yet still under pressure from the far left socialist wing of his own party to reject capitalism. we're seeing same thing with bernie sanders in this presidential election pressuring hillary clinton. they were smart with the deal they cut because they had to but he is still talking out of both sides of his mouth. david: emac, we have our own little version of this situation here where puerto rico has been spending like drunken sailors for years and years. finally come back to bite them. they're on the verge of bankruptcy. if they could go bankrupt, they probably would. are we in the beginning stage because i hear this puerto rico

as victim talk as well. >> yeah. >> is this beginning of greek-style bailout of port reek? >> puerto rico matters more to the u.s. economy than greece because immune any bond investors invested in puerto rican debt. 70% of what puerto rico owes it back to u.s. investors. there is talk in congress right now, yeah, letting greece, excuse me puerto rico file chapter 9. wow, that would be a big deal. david: tell us what that would mean. >> would mean investors get a haircut. also if they go to bankruptcy, puerto rico goes to bankruptcy, that means investor would have multiple different court workouts. there would be court proceedings breaking out across the country. that is a big deal. puerto rico took advantage of ability to issue tax-exempt bonds clearly. there is talk of a washington, d.c. style financial control board which they set up after o'mara i don't know berry drove that city bankruptcy. that was one million debt. this is 72 billion plus for

puerto rico. >> mark, does that concern you and should it concern investors. >> it should. what we need is leadership. what we see in greece is emblematic of problems in other places in europe. there are plenty of great case studies like canada, new zealand, other countries where they were able to cut spending. by cutting government spending and cutting government sector jobs they were actually to improve their debt position and improve the economy overall and create new jobs. that is what we need in situation with puerto rico. >> bingo. >> frankly bernie sanders has victim-hood terminology down, david. david: he does. >> cruel and unusual. you know what is cruel and unusual? socialist policies like we've had over the past six years with obama. >> you're right because bernie sanders will end up victimizing taxpayers. >> right. with his policies. david: that is real victim-hood. >> the silent majority always gets hammered in these kinds of deals. now you hear talk greece was

victimized by goldman sachs with derivative swaps. that is so lame. greece is the one -- david: we have to leave it there. we have breaking news. it can happen here. as emac just pointed out, it is happening here what is happening over there in greece. mark, liz macdonald great discussion. thank you very much. iran deal without our american hostages being freed? what's up with that? scott brown warned this was coming then. he is warning something even worse now. we're also monitoring chattanooga, tennessee. reports of an active shooting of the mayor calls it horrendous. what does he mean? more details right after this. are you moving forward fast enough? everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. to move your company from what it is now... to what it needs to become.

david: breaking news on the situation in chattanooga. no news about whether or not they have got the active shooter

who apparently was responsible for what is being called a terrible shooting by the mayor of chattanooga. there is an officer down. this is at a military facility in chattanooga. all of that military facility is on lockdown right now as we speak, as they pursue the shooter involved. and the area is being told, lock your doors, shut your windows and lock them as well and stay away. do not allow anybody in as they pursue this shooter. now again this sets into motion all kinds of gears from homeland security to the fbi, to the local version of the fbi, the tennessee bureau of investigation has sent out tweets about this as well. but for all the tweets we do not know the actual extent of damage caused by this shooter, nor do we have any breaking information about whether there are any closer to getting the shooter but we do have information that an officer is down at that

military facility as a result of the shooting. breaking news that we are on top of. we'll stay on top of it. we go now to former senator scott brown from massachusetts. you know, senator, it is extraordinary how when one incident takes place, even if it has nothing to do with terrorism, we still don't foe if this does, it sets in motion all of the gears of local, state and federal efforts involved now in counterterrorism. >> i think that's appropriate. we don't know if it's a lone wolf, if it is disgruntled military person or relationship issue or criminal elements of some sort but it is always good to err on the side of caution. certainly my heart and feelings go out to those that are hurt or potentially dead but this type of thing is never, never appropriate certainly. there are other ways to take out your frustrations. david: you had time of course in the military. i'm just wondering what kind of resources a military facility

would have to deal -- i know police are ones tweeting out reports of the situation late-breaking details such as we have. we don't have a lot. i'm sure the military facility itself as with the horrendous shooting in fort hood can take action now to defend itself, right? >> well, i served 35 years, the last four in the pentagon. that is whole different animal. my understanding this may be an annex, an office building. david: that's correct. >> what you would have basically key card entry with maybe a security guard in the local law enforcement would be ones ultimately responsible, unless it is actually on a military base which i don't believe one is. we'll get more information. certainly i and everyone listening and watching are very concerned and curious how this is going down. david: they are really in need. just the fact this was annex, military annex, does not mean that they have the facilities to deal with, not only need police but probably wherever the

closest military base or fbi department is, would have to be engaged in this, in pursuit of this shooter, right? >> yeah. i think basically what you're seeing with a lot of lone wolf action that we see, you know just never know. we don't know if it is something part of a larger situation or domestic incident as well. it is hard to nail it down. i'm sure we will learn more. once again my thoughts and prayers go out to those involved at this point. >> you know i mentioned fort hood. it is worth bringing up at this point, i know very early, we still don't know whether there was any terrorism involved but i think the fort hood shooting was terrorism. but of course this administration calls it workplace violence. >> listen, it was clearly terrorism. it was domestic terrorism. it was somebody who clearly was being influenced by, you know, terrorist affiliates and he should have and should be tried as a terrorist and interrogated

appropriately. and any of those people who were hurt or killed should be fully taken care of by our government and they haven't been. so that is clearly terrorism. that is different situation. that was on a fort. david: sorry for interrupting. do you think the president has evolved? he evolved on other issues. i'm wondering if he evolved on this, as we see isis and what they're capable of in terms of inspiring foreign terrorist, even though they may not be in direct contact with people domestic terrorists, they are still inspiration for those terrorists and that is now called terrorism. you think the president's position has evolved on this even if he would now admit if this is same kind of thing that what happened in fort hood, it was terrorism and not some kind of a workplace violence thing? >> i don't think that will ever come out of this president's mouth. he called isis the jv. he is continuously avoided saying that they are radical jihadists who are here to hurt

and kill and change our way of life. bottom line is though, he has evolved on other issues. maybe there is a plan to along with him releasing prisoners who have been in prison, maybe addressing this issue so we can put bad guys in prison. i'm hopeful he will evolve. i don't think it is going to happen. david: do you think there has been evolving situation with regard to homeland security because it is their job and it is federal and state governments jobs to protect citizens from events like fort hood or no knows what this situation will end up being like we're seeing now in chattanooga? >> i was one of the ranking members of homeland security and i know for a fact they do yeoman's work and they have done amazing works. i credit them whenever possible, making sure they have tools and resources and up-to-date information, making sure we can strike the balance between individual liberty abouts and also having the right to actually stay alive. i think that is a fundamental

right, don't you? the ability to stay alive and not get hurt or killed by terrorists? so you know, to strike that balance is very important and i'm commending homeland security. i think they're doing great work. they need to stay on top of it. david: we want to bring back governor gilmore, jim gilmore, who has experience with homeland security, chaired a commission in homeland security. whether or not the president's position evolved. particular shooter. >> that's absolutely the case. what we're dealing with as we go forward now is copycats, people who understand the game plan even though they're not sitting in some conspiratorial room someplace know they can further the interest of this terrorist cause simply by acting. david, i think we've got a lot of challenges ahead of us, and i

think we require presidential leadership to prepare the united states. we can deal with this. we can be successful. it's not an existential threat to the united states, but we have to be prepared for it so we don't overreact and eliminate our -- david: you have to be prepared for it, and it does affect our response, does it not, to call out something by name rather than calling it workplace violence? if you call it terrorism, if you deal with it as terrorism, it requires a different kind of tactical response. >> it does, and it has a different significance. if it's one type of homicide, that's one thing. it's got a political implication, that's another. on the other hand, what is very critical is the united states has to be prepared to roll with this and to make sure that we are safe, that we protect the american people above all hinges and be prepared to not -- above all things and be prepared to not overreact. david: bo dietl, former new york pd detective, bo, right now chattanooga police are in charge of this situation. as far as we know, this military facility was an annex.

it didn't have a lot of equipment available to defend itself. we may be wrong in that, but it looks now like the lead, active force in this thing is the police force of chattanooga. is that enough? >> well, it's not enough, but, i mean, local police are the first line. when it happens, you've got to get guys with guns as fast as you can -- david: do you think chattanooga would have a s.w.a.t. team? >> yeah, i think so. when someone's screaming allahu akbar a he's killing soldiers in fort hood, when someone comes out and said that that is not a terrorist action, workplace violence, i mean, it just sets the stage for the rest of the garbage. and do you know what really upsets me really a lot? it's the fact that there are other people that the fbi is not getting into conversation. a lot of these things are being or a lot of these plots are being effectively dismantled like fourth of july. but how many of them are not dealing with fbi informants on the computers?

how many are not talking back and forth? that's the ones i worry about -- david: by the way, the pictures you're seeing at the scene, that's a picture of bo dietl, but the pictures are pictures we are getting from chattanooga. you can see some police officers down in the grass with their weapons drawn, some with long guns, with rifles. and so it looks like there is an active situation still involved. you know, governor, even if the president doesn't get it in terms of the language and the need to change your tactical response to situations that are terrorism and not workplace violation, don't you think that the folks in homeland security and the folks that bo dietl was talking about, the fbi, etc., have recognized what's going on and are capable of now defending us from terrorism itself? >> yes. when i chaired the national commission on terrorism and homeland security for the united states government for five years, one of our major conclusions was the country is too big and too diverse, and you have to respond with the local responders. that's part of your overall

homeland security strategy. if it gets really serious, you may have to bring in other forces, but the primary thing is to focus on police, fire, rescue. when i was governor during the 9/11 attack, the response was made not by the federal government, the response was made by the fairfax, arlington, alexandria fire departments and the police and fire and rescue, and that's the only way you can protect this country. >> you know, governor, i was down there on 9/11. complacency sets in. after 9/11 you could do anything. you could have undercover operatives in the mosques, you could do what you wanted to do. in new york city all of a sudden we've got mayor big bird de blasio, and the fact is he doesn't want our intelligence organizations going in there and getting any information. the only way you're going to find out about a plot, about an action is to get in there, listen, talk to people, get involved with people. hey, you know, he's talking about blowing up the police headquarters. that's how you find out -- without undercovers, you're not going to have the intelligence

that the governor's talking about. david: again, the late-breaking details are scant at this moment. we do know there has been a horrific shooting of some kind in chattanooga at a military annex. we do know that there is an officer down. that's about all we know right now. we know that the police are in pursuit of the shooter. they have not captured the shooter, or if they have, they haven't been very vocal about it. we are awaiting some kind of press conference by the chattanooga authorities. we do know that the tennessee bureau of investigation is on alert, that they are trying to help out chattanooga in any way they can. i'm sure that federal authorities have been called into action as well. we are going to be staying on this. governor jim gilmore, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. david: bo, stay with us, if you can. meanwhile, sanctuary cities getting backlash after the killing of kate steinle, and lawmakers like congressman kevin yoder is looking to end them. >> we are working to defund these sanctuary cities that cut

them off from federal support. we have the power of the purse in congress, and we're going to use that tool to try to send a message to these sanctuary cities. david: subcommittee chairman ron desantos says these cities are dangerous, and they are placing the public at risk. congressman, thank you very much. well, as you know, kate's law is meant to work against what sanctuary cities have done to this country. are there enough votes in congress to pass kate's law? >> well, thanks for having me. i think it's a tough thing to vote against. and as we've seen with this gentleman in san francisco who killed kate, he came across the border five different times after having been deported. so you're in a situation where the border is porous, and so there's got to be a penalty for people who keep crossing illegally. and so i think this will dissuade people from wanting to take that risk. right now if you come illegally and you get captured, nothing

ends up happening, and you can just do it all again. i think that's important. but the sanctuary city component is important too. and for these cities that are receiving federal law enforcement grants and then are deliberately not assisting when you have people who have been convicted of crimes and are here illegally in our country, we should not continue to fund them unless they get right with the law. david: now, again, dealing with -- i understand the difference. we've got two things going here. we've got ending sanctuary cities and passing kate's law. i want to focus on kate's law for the moment. i'm just wondering if the president would veto kate's law. do you have any indication that he would if it passes the congress? >> i'm not sure. i think idealogically he probably would not support it, but i think if you think about how would he explain that to the american people, i think it would be a very, very controversial veto. so i think he vetoes the will at his political -- the bill at his political peril. david: and finally, kate steinle's parents and brother have been very vocal here on fox

news and elsewhere about how they feel about it. they're, of course, in favor of kate's law in her memory. do you think they would make a direct appeal on capitol hill to pass it? >> oh, absolutely. i think they should do that. this -- i think that would be very effective. i've had georgia mill shaw in front of my committee to talk about his son being murdered, and i think having the parents and the family here, i think it makes it very, very powerful. david: congressman ron desantos from florida, thank you very much. we appreciate you joining us. arizona sheriff paul babeu telling me the problem is much bigger than that. take a listen. >> there's 276-plus sanctuary cities, but, in fact, president obama has really sanctioned this entire country. it's a sanctuary nation when it comes to immigration. david: a sanctuary nation. lisa booth agrees with the sheriff, but richard fowler completely disagrees. lisa, tell us why you agree.

>> well, david, i think it's this lawlessness that we've seen under president obama. we saw anytime 2012 with his executive order to allow some illegal young immigrants to stay in this country, again most recently with his sweeping immigration executive order that, essentially, gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. and i really think that this is murder of this young, beautiful girl with the rest of her life ahead of her, killed by this illegal immigrant who was deported five different times, i mean, he shouldn't have been in this country, it really underscores that lawlessness. david: well, richard, sanctuary means protection from laws, but these laws have saved lives, have they not? >> here's the thing, and thanks for having me. i think we're missing the forest for the trees here on this entire debate. sanctuary cities only exist in a world with we don't have comprehensive immigration reform. instead of passing kate's law, let's roll that into a

comprehensive immigration reform bill. let's secure the border, let's work on -- david: what -- richard, it'd be great to have everything but, frankly, there's not money dropping out of the sky. it's enough trouble just to get one thing passed rather than a comprehensive thing. >> i think we have to overhaul the entire system. one small fix, kate's law is just one small fix to a larger problem. we have a broken immigration system. david: we do. everybody agrees. >> and that is why we need, congress needs to come to work, come to washington and pass comprehensive immigration reform. david: all right. you can start with kate's law, lisa. it's not the total answer. first of all, you've got to protect the border. that's not really a part of kate's law, but if kate's law is vetoed by the president, will it become a campaign issue? lisa? >> well, i think that's incredibly disappointing if it would, and it's not just this one particular instance. there's 8,000 -- david: no, i know. but, lisa, we don't have much time, answer the question.

would it become a campaign issue? >> i think it could baud i think it's incredibly difficult for democrats to defend why a law like that shouldn't be signed into law. david: richard, you are shaking your head no. >> i disagree because i think the president should veto kate's law, and he should say you want to pass kate's law, send it to me as part of a comprehensive -- david: but, richard, he couldn't even get an immigration bill when he controlled congress. hold on. go ahead, richard. >> wait a second. marco rubio -- before he decided he was going to run for president -- cosponsored a comprehensive immigration bill that passed the senate, but house republicans who are championing this kate's law voted it down in the house. >> richard, democrats can't even -- david: hold on. you can't talk both at the same time. go ahead, lisa. >> well, no, look, to richard's point, president obama's idea of comprehensive immigration reform is giving sweeping -- >> was a bill that marco rubio passed. >> no, it actually -- look, and

marco rubio didn't go through it for good reason. that bill would have done nothing to address the illegality at the border, richard, and that's the important thing to remember here. david: hey, gang, we've got breaking news, and it's as important as this issue is. we do have something that trumps everything. richard, lisa, thank you both. >> thank you for having us. david: we should just mention, by the way, there are a number of locations that are reported to be on lockdown in chattanooga. the memorial hospital, the health department, err linger hospital, that's where the national guard building is located where this is presumed to have happened. the arcade marketing and the health south rehabilitation center have all, are all on lockdown. the lockdown at lee university has now been lifted. the lockdown in bradley square mall in chat nothing baa has now been -- chattanooga has now been lifted as well. we still have bo dietl. it looks like they're focusing

in on a particular area where the shooter might be. >> you know, everything right now is very premature. we really don't know exactly what, in fact, happened, if there was one shooter, two shooters, so we're just kind of guessing from the side here. david: hopefully, we'll have more information, we'll bring you more on what is locked down, what lockdown has been lifted, at least we have that much information. more details from chattanooga after a short break.

david: it is a slow drip of information coming out of chattanooga where, according to the mayor, there was a horrendous shooting earlier at a military facility in chattanooga. we are hearing, by the way, we had been telling you that there was an active shooter that they were still pursuing. we're told now by local authorities -- apparently local

authorities have told a local news agency there -- that the shooter is no longer active. now, whether that means he's been shot, taken into custody, we're not sure. we can't tell you. there is supposed to be a press conference coming soon. we've been told any moment, but i've got to be honest, we've been told that for at least 20 minutes now, that any moment we'll have a presser. so that could mean next minute from now, that could mean an hour from now, we're not sure. but we do know that there has been a lifting of the lockdown on several facilities. there was a lockdown on lee university. all of lee university. that has now been lifted. bradley square mall had a lockdown, that has been lifted. there's a report, by the way, that tennessee governor bill haslam's residence was shut down temporarily and additional security was in place in the tennessee capitol. we can only presume that was just as a precaution and not as a direct threat.

we still with us bo dietl, also tom ruskin, former nypd detective as well. what do you make of this? >> i think chances are the situation has been, basically, the shooter's been taken either into custody or he's been shot and killed. if he attacked a recruiting center, most likely the marine or the guards there would have been armed and potentially could have shot him and taken him down. david: by the way, let's hope so, because we remember in fort hood a lot of the military personnel weren't allowed to have guns. >> correct. well, that has changed in certain recruiting centers and certain military installations around this country. but the fact that they're starting to lift these lockdowns shows me that chances are the situation has been remedied, and the guy, as i said, is in custody or has been shot and wounded.

david: bo dietl? >> you know, the only thing we really have to go on is the comments by the mayor calling this a horrific shooting which makes me feel there's somebody dead here, otherwise he wouldn't have used that adjective. tom's saying but a lot of these recruitment centers do not have armed guys. a lot of these recruitment officers are not able to carry weapons into the recruitment center areas. i'm just hoping that they did have an armed person there. the other side of this thing is if i'm investigating this, i want to find out is this one incident, or this could be a series of things? this happens now, something else is going to pop. hey, look, you've got to assume that there could be more. you can never, ever think that something's over unless you fully investigate it and find out exactly -- david: that's why they put this temporary shutdown in the governor's residence which is in chattanooga and also additional security in place at the tennessee capitol. tom ruskin, we did hear news,

tragically, an officer was down as a result of this shooting. i guess that really puts people in higher gear, does it not? >> it absolutely does. and to bo's point, which is a very good point, it means that they're going to have to determine was this, you know, a lone wolf type of incident, was this one guy who decided to shoot up the recruitment center today, or is it a plot that they're going to have to investigate further. the fact that an officer was shot shows me that law enforcement -- which they do every day throughout this country -- responded, and an officer got shot. and, hopefully, will be o.k. trying to bring guy down. david: bo dietl, because you were so involved in what happened on 9/11 here, we have leshed so much since then -- learned so much since the 13, 14 years since that happened. do we know now how to quadrant off a place like chattanooga, really put a perimeter around the entire city to prevent any

shooter or terrorist from getting out? >> whatever it is, small town, middle city, new york city, you know, it depends on the size. the first responders are going to be the first guys off duty or police officers that respond. that's the first line of defense. you've got to get 'em out there. david: but we're looking at the highways right now there. are police officers positioned now in various highways, or do they have plans for positioning police officers to really quadrant off an area? >> don't know. don't know, and also you have different jurisdictions there. you have the state troopers, i'm sure, that have barracks nearby, they come running. like we have a 1013, that means everybody come. and then what you have to do is organize it for that specific reason that you just said, is you want to be able to cordon off an area, you want to be able to encapsulate them. this is going to be a lengthy investigation. again, you're going to go into the computers, get subpoenas, find out who he talked to, what it's all about.

david: hey, tom, very quickly, the coordination for that sort of stuff is very important, and there used to be turf battles between fbi and local police, etc. do you have those anymore now that we're all one nation fighting terrorism? >> basically, when it comes to something like this, no. basically, every organization works together. but to bo's point, they drill on this. and chattanooga, tennessee, i am sure that they've had mock drills of lockdowns and how police and other agencies will interact with each other and how they'll coordinate their efforts in a situation like this. david: gotcha. tom, bo, thank you very much for hanging in there. by the way, we are now getting word from chattanooga police that the active shooter situation is over. whether that means the shooter's been killed or taken into custody, we don't know. details are forthcoming. more right here in just a moment. we're also watching iran are. did saudi arabia already win the race to a bomb? that's what former senior cia p ops officer duane consumer ridge

told me just moments ago. >> saudis already have the bomb. what people fail -- david: hold on a second. let me just emphasize that point, because that's an important point. you say saudi arabia already has a nuclear bomb? >> several. david: next, why if he is right, we are all in deep trouble.

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david: like very difficult jigsaw pus sell pieces are beginning to come together a little bit from chattanooga, tennessee as you look at video from this active situation we're now told at least in terms of the shooter is no longer active but these were moments -- actual, no, these are still live. the reason why you still see activity live because there are now, we now know there were two separate locations at which there were shots. that live bug is incorrect by the way. this is video even though that live bug is from before.

but there were two separate locations seven 1/2 miles apart, bo dietl which the shootings took place. what does that tell you? >> like i said before, we have to make sure we're not effectively involved with conspiracy of more shootings. that worries me if you have two, we could have three. there should be active investigation going. i don't think people should feel that comfortable until we get the investigation to a head here. david: even though police are saying no active shooter? >> the guy at that was shooting he is not active anymore. there was another shooting. did he shoot two different places? david: could, seven 1/2 miles apart would be difficult to get to another location to shoot up there. >> something you have to get your hands around it and be careful. david: bo dietl, thank you very much. >> thank you. david: some believe this iranian deal will bring peace among nations. but our next guest, actor kevin sorbo said we may send terrible message to the enemies.

good to see you. what message do you think we're sending out? >> i think chamberlain coming from hitler. used $100 billion of capital of this country, froze accounts. that is a lot of money they can throw around there. david: you mentioned one analogy. hitler and chamberlain. there is another analogy that obama administration point to, reagan and gorbachev. they had a arms deal that ended up positive for the world. >> i don't think that is on the same level. this country said many times they want to destroy israel and want to destroy america. people in that country, politicians in the country are marching in parade saying death to america. we're making deals with these guys. as far as i'm concerned i don't think it is the smartest move. david: president obama began this administration saying he wanted to change the way america is perceived bit world. do you agree he has. >> he has done a very good job. if you're about to get married and go down the aisle, once we're married i will fundamentally change you.

how many people would get married? david: even if it happens. >> a million people said, okay. david: how do you think we are perceived by the world now? >> as weak. as not strong anymore. what other country in the world come to aid of other countries? when any other country is in trouble who they call? david: us. >> i lived in new zealand shooting hercules for seven years. they had a volcano. nobody died. but they sent planes if anybody needed it. who will help out? any muslim countries helping other people? is russia coming to help people? david: we want our enemies to be afraid of us, not walk over. >> mr. ronald reagan people were afraid of him. david: hollywood doing all these tough guy movies yet actors seem to support policies just the opposite of that. why is that? >> i have no idea. interesting when people scream for gun control and actors jump on board, show the movies

they're in, wielding a lot of guns. david: absolutely. >> doing violent movies. david: guns are sword. >> if you figure out hollywood, let me know. david: got to mention the secret handshake. >> yes. a family comedy written and wrote space cowboys. with clint eastwood, tommy lee jones. wonderful family comedy. out on amazon and all walmarts. walmart.com as well. david: kevin sore bow. thank you very much. good stuff. we want to update you on shootings. we're being told there were actually two shootings. we don't know if it was the same shooter. we're told there is no longer active shooter in place. whether they killed the shooter responsible or captured him. we don't know yet. we're expecting a presser at any moment. that is not a live shot even though it says so. the shootings were seven 1/2 minutes away from each other. whether that means more than one shooter, again we hope to find out. moments from now the latest right after this. hi.

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do, as he was doing what the mayor of chattanooga has called, a horrific bit of shooting. again the details of that, other than one officer being down we don't know as of yet. a lot of questions to be answered at the press conference which we hope to bring to you soon. we want to bring in again bo dietl and former nypd detective pat brosnan. pat what do you make of this. >> first and foremost the law enforcement can breathe collective sigh of relief that this very active shooting situation has been stopped in its tracks. for all intents and purposes case shifts from operational to investigative. when i say investigative, they will cobble together the -- identify and plow through this guy's left to see other could conspirators or defendants complicit in the shooting, shootings. david: i wonder, bo dietl, if they're too complacent. the active shooting may be over

and there is no problem even though we're hearing shootings took place seven 1/2 miles apart? >> we don't know if he did two shootings or there was another shooter. until we find more through the investigation we will not know. maybe a third shooter. there was part of conspiracy -- remember they had security on governor's house there and put security all over the place. maybe there is more -- until the investigation occurs we're really not going to know. david: pat, we're just a couple blocks right now, our studio from times square which had an incident happen a couple of years ago. we have a recruiting station right in the center, snack in the center of times square. do you think recruiting stations all over the country now will sort of revamp their security concerns? >> well, you know, it is difficult to speculate with any precision this early in the investigation. bo alluded to it, you did also, very foggy both shootings, involvement of the shooter or shooters, what the overarching motivation was. as the dust settles and facts

become evident, that may well engender a protocol change across the country particularly if there was transparency or the ability because of a -- not being in place for shooter to gain access. that is what the big question among others. david: bo, what happened here? after we had our incident at recruiting center? >> they're put on more of an alert. one of my things after fort hood, no guns being carried on the bases. i mean these, these laws have to change. if you have people at recruitment center or marines or army, they should have the right or qualify with a side piece and have weapon there. they should minimize the risk. david: we should be honest. we don't know that they didn't have access to weapons. who knows, for all we know that may be one reason the shooter is no longer active. >> right. but again, because incidents like this, we have to change our protocol. we didn't have any guns on the bases.

we didn't have guns in the recruitment center. why the hell not get them? these are military guys. you have to trust the good guy with a gun. david: pat, who is charge of the investigation now? >> probably the local authorities in chattanooga will be the lead on this. they haven't crossed any lines that we know that would bring in federal side of it. chief of police of chattanooga is lead investigative entity. david: i'm surprised to hear pat say that. do you agree, bo? i would have thought immediately homeland security. >> i respect what pat is saying because we have so much preliminary nothing. if it becomes the fact this was terrorist activity or signs of that, definitely will have homeland security, you will have your fbi, terrorist task force. we don't know yet. we're trying to assume things right now. unless there is some evidence to the fact that there was terrorism involved then you would have other agencies involved. david: let's recap. chattanooga local news, times

free press, shooting at chattanooga recruiting center there is indication that five people were shot. now we don't know the seriousness of the injuries of those five people who were shot. as you can see on the screen there is no active shooter at the moment but five people were reportedly shot. this may have led to that tweet earlier by the chattanooga mayor saying that this was horrendous, bo. >> that horrendous word by the marielly only thing we got to go on. that to my means you have carnage, that is what he was referring, i would think, again, we don't know because it is so preliminary. david: pat, any, any analysis on the basis of what we know, what little we know now? >> well, you know, as you and bo said, framing the shooting as horrendous, we know five people are shot could indicate there are some fatalities in there. again way too preliminary. again as it relates back to the lead investigator the facts are so murky, the scene is so foggy,

for right now there is no clarity. they're just pounding along to identify first there is no additional threat to broader society to the extent there is codefendant on the loose or co-conspirator still out there. seven 1/2 mile spread is very interesting. david: it is very interesting. once again there is no active shooter but there are five people who were shot as a result of this. one of those actually might have been the shooter himself. we do know that one officer was down. there may actually be more than one officer but total of five people down as a result of the shooting in chattanooga. we're expecting a press conference any moment now. as soon as that happens bring it to you live. we're taking a short break.

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david: all news is local and in this case we're relying on local news agencies to give us more

information about chattanooga police shooting. one officer is down. there could be as many as five people that were shot as a result of this shooting. we know that it is no longer an active shooter that they are looking for. either that means that they have arrested, killed or some way incapacitated the person responsible for this shooting. which actually is plural. there were two shootings seven 1/2 miles apart. does that mean there is more than one shooter? we don't know. we're expecting a press conference at any moment. we supposedly would get one 45 minutes ago. that has not happened as of yet. apparently they don't have their ducks in order. the chattanooga police really in overdrive right now to take care of the situation. you see the distance between the two places where the shootings took place. there were several lockdowns that have now been lifted. lee university, lockdowns lifted. bradley square mall, lockdown lifted. memorial hospital in chattanooga. lockdown has been lifted.

we don't know about tennessee governor bill has len's residence which was shut down temporarily. additional security were put in place in the tennessee capitol itself. again if the shooter is incapacitated one way or another that is good news. we can still see on the row ways a lot of -- roadways. jared levy. emac you have a lot of family involved trying to secure cities when lockdowns have to take place, a lot of coordination involved. >> that's right. sources i have a lot of people in law enforcement in the fbi. you're right. this city appears to have responded immediately and the way it should have. all sorts of locations were locked down including hospitals and even the airport was put on high alert as well. so they're responding in rapid fashion to the shooting. david: every way except, except, jared, on information. i think they could -- everybody as we've seen so often when emergencies like this happen, if

you don't have instantaneous information like we saw when the nyse shut down a couple weeks ago it can cause even more problems than are needed, they need to be. >> best thing to do, the best way we're finding information now the fact we're able to glean information from what is happening in the occurrences. lockdowns are being lifted as you said earlier, from an investors perspective. looking at way the markets are reacting. i hate to use that as barometer. remember you have millions of people looking at these market, reading as much information as possible and they haven't panicked. that is a good thing. obviously i hear five shot, not confirmed. at this moment it is figuring out you know how the information evolves. david: by the way we're getting information now, this is a new -- we had this before several times so we're a little bit wary but the local authorities are now saying press conference at 2:00 p.m. eastern time. that is about 12 minutes from now. so in 12 minutes we should have

specific information recording this shooting. emac, it always amazes me whether it's a business problem like the nyse shutdown a couple weeks ago or johnson & johnson coming out with a product years ago that seemed improper, when there is not a lot of information coming out that's when, whoever is responsible suffers the worst from this. >> yeah. statement, this is horrific shooting leaves people wondering why is it horrific? yes it is awful one one person is shot and killed. it appears this individual who was perpetrator was looking like was doing drive-by shooting and as you reported, david, weren't and shot up a recruiting center as well. we need more detail why this is quote, horrific. david: we're efforting, moments from now we'll have with us an eyewitness to this shooting. so we will get that eyewitness. we're efforting her on the phone. someone who actually was an eyewitness to this.

again whether it was a drive-by shooting. one individual or several individuals, we still don't know. the press conference about ten minutes from now should clarify that situation. but again, jared, as you pointed out, the markets and generally, okay, hold on one second. loretta did hear gunshots outside of a restaurant. quickly put on lockdown, now lifted. she is with us, lore rhett tax can you hear us all right? >> i can. david: can you tell us exactly what you saw and when you saw it. >> i couldn't tell you the time. everything is kind of hectic in here. but we heard rapid gunfire. we came inside, within just a few minutes, probably, three to five minutes, at the most, the police department, rescue squad, everybody was covering streets. david: are you close, are you close to the recruitment center which is apparently one of the locations which the shooting took place? >> we are. we're a half mile or so.

david: how far away did the shooting sound to you? did it sound like it was a half mile? >> it sounded closer. because there are so many buildings on this road, i don't know it sounded really close but thank goodness it wasn't. david: did it sound like it was coming from a moving vehicle, like moving shot, one shot sounded closer than another? >> no, not really. david: so could have been stationary shot? >> right. david: any sign of any building or individual that might have been hit. >> no, no, sir. we came straight in. within a few minutes the police department notified us to lock down and we locked our doors and everybody has been inside since. david: in way what did the police notify you? >> i have a friend that works at the 911 center which is directly across the road from it. sent me a text message to make sure we were inside and advised me to get everything locked down. david: has the lockdown been lifted where you are? >> no, sir, it hasn't. david: you're still calling in lockdown position. that is surprising, we heard a number of locations had their

lockdown lifted. we heard there is no active shooter but you haven't heard about that. have you tried to contact authorities? >> yes. i just, within about five minutes ago, spoke with miss pat at the 911 center. they said they have not been cleared to unlock anything yet. we are seeing a little bit of traffic right now in front of the restaurant. so, there is a little bit of movement outside. so hopefully we'll get unlocked soon. >> hi, liz macdonald here. how rare is shooting like this in chattanooga? >> around here, i have never known of one. i've been working here for two years. i never had any situation like this around here. david: has there ever been any controversy or incident take place at recruiting center? >> not that know of. like i said only been working up here in two years. i was living in trenton, georgia. i don't live in the city. david: do you see any signs, maybe you're away from a window, do you see any signs outside of your bidding of police or can you hear police vehicles go by?

>> oh, i see a lot of police vehicles. like i said we're located right across the road from the 911 center. so we're seeing them go in and out. david: it hasn't slowed down at all? >> the traffic has. it slowed down a lot but we're still occasionally seeing police cars going in and out. david: but the last time you talked to the authorities they told you to keep a lockdown? >> yes, sir. we haven't been unlocked yet. david: wow. how much longer can you hunker down there? >> we stay open 24/7. we can stay here all the time. we don't have to go anywhere. david: loretta, you're very kind to talk to us in the midst of all that chaos. we appreciate you talking to us. please stay in touch. loretta blevins, heard gunshots and eyewitness from chattanooga, tennessee. more details, more witnesses coming right up.

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david: well, breaking news and the situation in chattanooga has reached the top. nation. according to deputy white house press secretary eric shults the

president was briefed by his national security staff on the shooting in chattanooga. we'll continue to get update as warranted. to former d.c. homicide detective rod wheeler. rod, the information is very scant. moments from now, we're about three minutes away from a press conference we'll hear from the chattanooga mayor and chief of police and others. we are seeing in the tweet -- i'm sorry. here is the mayor of chattanooga. >> also a fluid situation as well. i mean it is unfolding, even as we sit here it is still ongoing. david: rod wheeler, forgive me. we lost that. we'll pick that up as soon as we get it again. the presser we're about to get, with the chattanooga mayor. we will bring that to you live. but we're seeing, rod, as i was saying, pictures of windows covered with bullet holes. it appears the shooter was shooting wildly at the site. and he may have died as a result of this? >> that's right.

i can tell you and viewers right now what exactly is going on. i did hear the mayor minute ago used term fluid. even though it sound like the active shooter has been taken out one way or the other, the investigation is actually still very fluid. the reason i say that, as you just reported earlier apparently there is at least two, if not more crime scenes. so as a result of that the forensic teams are trying to determine right now whether or not it was just a one shooter, multiple shooters, and whether or not the same weapon was used at both locations. so the investigation is still very fluid. i think the other, most important thing is, what was the relationship between this individual, who was actually doing the shooting, and the place in wit shooting took place. obviously there is some kind of a correlation there. those are unanswered questions that the investigators are figuring out as i speak. david: rod, you don't want to put too much pressure on these people because they have a who are return does job right now dealing with a horrendous

situation, however, wouldn't it be best to come out immediately with information, saying look, i don't know that now but i will give you what we have? >> yes and no. the reason i say yes and no, sometimes in cases like this you want to kind of wait before you jump out there with all the information. why? pause you want make sure we have all like we say, players involved. you want to identify them. you doesn't want to give out any information of assistance to someone trying to get away. we don't know any of that yet. that is probably one reason why the authorities are somewhat reluctant or hesitant to give out everything they know. the other important thing is, you want to make sure family members of those that have been affected by this have been notified. you don't want to be notified by listening to the news. david: rod wheeler, thank you very much. what we can tell you there may be as many as five people down. we know at least one officer is down. two shootings, seven 1/2 miles apart. we are getting information in dribs and drabs. it will be continuing throughout

the hour. and we turn it now over to trish regan with the teleagainst report. -- with "the intelligence report." trish: we're following breaking news where a police officer officer was shot at a naval reserve center earlier today. the shooting prompted lockdown at chattanooga state community college and a hospital. the navy confirmed shots were fired at two separate locations. according to reports as many as five people were shot. four of them were members of the military. we are awaiting right now a news conference there in chattanooga to provide an update. i want to go to fox business's blake burman who joining us now along with bo dietl, former nypd detective. i have to start asking you, blake burman can we assume this situation is contained? can we assume they have found the shooter? because police have said there