giants win. >> we have -- >> seahawks. >> we have the counselors on the record. thank you very much. >> you got it. >> thank you. >> good night from new york. good night from new york. >> this politician lies -- >> if you like your doctor you'll be able to keep your doctor, period. period, period -- >> they're bringing drugs. >> is donald trump the liar? >> they're rapist. let's just say bill o'reilly lies here. >> if you raise minimum wage then jobs are go down. templeg these conserveties lie. >> global warming a hoax. >> what is a lie? and what's just partisan politics? >> down and dirty world when you decide chopping down government and hurting the economy is the smart move. >> and when is a lie just ignorant? >> women will do the same job as a man and only get 77 cents on the dollar. >> outrage. >> liar, liar that's our show.

tonight. [applause] >> and now, john stossel. john: welcome so who in this audience is told a lie? all right almost everybody. [laughter] i assume you don't lie all of the time orb really important things, but some people in america lie so regularly that it is hard to believe anything they say. and these people are called politicians. [laughter] ann coulter say it is adios america she said unless politicians lie about immigration they plan to turn america into a third-world hell hole not left but the right lies about immigration too. at least that's what i think. so here to set me straight about this, is donald trump. [laughter] >> i'm sorry. i confuse you with him because

you're both tall and blond and obnoxious sometimes, say rude things -- >> in the hearts of the people. >> how does it lie? >> in the 1965 by kennedy support by bobby kennedy and dean and "the washington post" and all of them swore up and down this -- this immigration law will not change the basic demographics of america the same countries that have traditionally populated america will helicopter to pop late it. demographics will not change. that turned out to be a massive, enormous lie but now if anyone calls them on it, it is racist. >> clearly dem grarchg has changed but not that much. >> yes, that much. from the beginning eve america until 1970 country was always about 80 to 90% white 10 to 20% black that's what america was. and -- >> you want to keep it that way? >> that is what they say now. american people should have been asked about it but no lied to

and a if you say hey, you guys lied to us that's the answer, you're racist. clearly what is happening is america is being transformed into latin america particularly mexico more than a third of all legal immigrants are from mexico. at least 60s, 70% of illegal immigrants are from mexico. can you ask the american people -- would you refer to livering in mexico let's change our country. no country in world history has transformed itself into another country like this about with and it was done without which checkg with american people and, in fact, directly specifically knowingly lying to the american people. >> how many of you agree with her on this? >> a few -- okay. >> they don't want to be called racist accuse anyone who disagrees with what we've done to the country. call them racist. but i notice none of you immigrated to america for fear

of being called racist, in fact, mexican immigrants didn't stay there or immigrant to hondros china didn't -- [inaudible] >> they want to come to the country that is or was america. if this continues, it is not going to be america. >> why isn't it america if there are many people from latin america and from asia? >> because these are very, very different cultures. very different cultures. what determines the least corrupt countries is number of years of british rule and protestantism run by jews, but i haven't done studies to harvard. it is done. americans say they want less immigration, not more. >> and a problem, switzerland, australia they have twice as many immigrants per capita. >> before you can become a citizen that's a fine idea.

>> 47% of the country is made up of immigrants 13% of the united states. >> i'm confident they are not taking more immigrants from nigeria than england as america is. >> if you bring up -- >> the stat you're about to give. >> nigerians more likely to work than americans -- higher percentage. also from ghana. [inaudible] >> gotten too many -- requests to contribute to the nigerian prince or fill out a -- >> actually nigerians coming here. >> what do you think this is coming from? self-report. >> not twice as likely to get a college degree as americans? i think she's a lot smarter than presidential candidate lindsey graham but when it comes to immigration she's wrong, and a graham is right. >> most of hard working people come from poor and corrupt countries to make a better life. >> they are and that's a good thing. >> good for them admirable good for america? >> on balance, i would say yes.

forts that's the question that should be asked not that they're admirable people. >> not that you have all of the answers balanced good from america? hands up? yes. [laughter] no. >> now you're annoying me everyone more than polls do. e all we ever hear is diversity, strength, or a nation of immigrants. these are lies you never get to hear the other side. look, 70% of more than 7 0% are accepting government assistance. >> that's not true . >> absolutely true. so maybe before polling people -- you should have the facts. >> if you're not eligible for food stamps. >> they are eligible for all kiengdz of government assistance. you're completely wrong. >> for some children get educated they get hospital emergency room treatment. >> food stamps they get health care, they often a get -- housing -- >> not welfare or section aid housing. j one form of welfare people who are poor coming from dysfunctional cultures, corrupt culture us used to being boss

around are not, you know, working harder than americans and less likely to accept government assistance and they're driving down -- low wage workers income equality through the roof. they aren't taking your job but probably not taking any of your jobs but they're taking jobs of people at the bottom of the income ladder, and there are fellow americans. >> americans often don't want to do -- [laughter] they don't want to do them for free for $3 an hour. >> no i want to bring in more people to compete with you for jr. job. but that's not what -- that's not what happens. that's not our immigration policy. so you can be macho and say that, but that's not happening. >> fair criticism but when you talk about the contribution from the cbo, more immigrants would lower the deficits than -- [laughter] >> that is nonsense. >> they pay into social security themselves but they often don'ts take it out especially if they're illegal. the national research counsel,

with the typical immigrant imposes a fiscal cost of $3,000. that's what you're talking about. but the descendant has a positive contribution of 83,000 dollars. >> no, no, no this is absolutely ludicrous -- >> smarter than you. >> they're liars bigger liars. >> what about all of the stuff we gain? i mean, google, ikea, youtube bicycles, blow-dryers, baseball, football, shopping mall -- >> we used to get the crème cell crème de la creme and black belt for the democratting working like a charm for both of the groups other once you mentioned these are the same groups that are mentioned others again. one from russia, a few from germany, a few from britain if that's what we want then let's get that. let's not be bringing in a million immigrants from mexico

every year. where is the mexican google? >> programmer from india. >> another scam this h1bv they're not starting net scape. they're doing standard computer programming work the reason -- rmingts useful that's great. >> what is useful is to employer they can't switch jobs something this country got rid of 100 years ago. >> i think we should let more people in legally and there would be less sneaking in. >> but it depends who you're letting in. i want to let in -- no, no you can't play both ways here. >> all right rules are stacked. ferlg talking about how fabulous immigrants are i hear if google and papal. but now talking about admitting them you want them to do your landscaping fine admit once who are -- >> you're saying things that americans just -- don't say in polite company. >> glad you mentioned that because -- the reason americans are

sensitive in your audience are such scaredy cats of being called racist sorry but you are -- is the reason we are sensitive so parking lot race issue is because how black americans are treated and jim crow both by democrats i might add. someone who never stepped foot in this country we don't owe anything to. black americans have a very specific history and rights and privileges in this country because of what they've been through, they can -- they can complain about racism if you're not an american black, then just shutup. >> i say we have a good life here and we can bring more people in from everywhere. >> if they compete with you. >> but they're not -- >> thank you ann a coulter if you would like to keep this conversation going please go to twitter or facebook hashtag liar, liar let us know what you think. up next, how the woman who has most likely to become our next president lies all the time and gets away with with it. but next --

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>> the website called politifact.com they call out politicians who lie, and rate political claims from true to mostly true, mostly false, and pants on fire for the worst lie. politifact leans left they criticize three republicans for every democrat they call out. nevertheless winner for lie of the year was this political claim. >> you likier doctor or health care provider you can keep them. if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. period. >> if you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. period. no one will take it away. no matter what. >> we now know that wasn't true lots of people could not keep their doctors or their health care plan. but that was what the president said. is it a lie? i don't know maybe the president, democrats really believed that everyone could keep their doctor. if that's true then it is not a lie it is just ignorance or wishful thinking.

economics professor art tries to keep track of politicians lies about economics. so was this one a lie or just a mistake? >> i don't know that i would call it a lie i think in a lot of case willful ignorance an something they thought they could get away. >> it was impossible because obamacare required every insurance policy to cover much more stuff. stuff you may not have wanted before. alcohol treatment, depression screening, diet counseling. it raises prices, some people are going to be cutoff. >> yeah, absolutely. illustrates kind of a two simple world view with some two simple answers. where we have this inxrensably complex world but it is one of which we want to think that somebody in control can change it without their being any unintended consequences. >> another claim is that government most intervene in work place because sexist employers discriminate against women.

>> the fact that they can get 77 cents on the dollar -- >> an outrage that women can make 77 cents for every dollar man earns this is not 1924 but this is 2014. >> equal pay for equal work women make on average 77 cents, why is this a lie? >> they choose different jobs and they have different skill sets. so if -- if the gerund wage gap or purely a matter of discrimination and any company in the world could lower a big chunk of their labor costs by firing all of the men and hiring only women. >> i want to ask these people, why don't they do that? are they all stupid it is not the same pay for the same job but a different job and different attitude so men are -- men will kick for work often women have better balanced lives either official terms are relentless maximizers or willing to leave money on the table in order to indulge taste for

descridges. also claim wal-mart is bad for americans. >> wal-mart has a history of abusing worksers and profiting on the backs of hardworking men and women. >> do you know how many people alie for roughly 212 position pos that typical wal-mart offers? >> it doesn't mean -- >> 8 thowrk. >> i understand that. they're jobs right but horrible as they are. >> job killers. >> like what ann coulter said about immigrants say they take away good jobs. >> retail with higher wages. >> pay above minimum wage. >> they do. >> other criticism they knock out all of the small stores, mom and pop stores. >> happens but on net no change in small business activity in the state and no change in small business within an a metro area when wal-mart comes to town. >> so efficient at getting stuff to us americans on average

according to an obama advisor says, we save $2,000 per person. >> wal-mart saves us a lot of money. wal-mart saves us a lot of money and benefits go primarily to -- >> even if you don't shop at wal-mart because others compete. >> we still benefit because wal-mart is there. in particular stores that are most likely to lower pricings and have biggest price reductions are stores that cater to the poor. so the poor are beginning to be the big winners. >> one last check claim. america hurts itself by cutting government spending. >> bring it all down now the hard battle cry. slash spending short to the pentagon traffic control how else can you explain readiness than this doomsday machine, this sequestration go all out -- >> this is why another big lie on the left. sequestration ftion terrible. it is going to starve people. >> yet everything is going to lead to the next great depression except that it

doesn't in the case of government spending, it is still higher than it was historically per capita perhaps leveled out over last few years but we have -- >> we have a graph of government spending within and it really hasn't leveled out much but come down from the surplus blowout that's at the end of the chart. you can see how it has steadily gone up. >> the idea that we're cutting spending or that we're dangerously pulling back spending just not the case. there are -- >> 4 trillion. >> 4 trillion dollars is a lot of money. >> thank you, and coming up, lies about about crime and right wing lies. [applause] technology empowers us to achieve more.

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ad run by gun control group? they set up a fake gun store paid one to be a gun dealer and then potential customers came in, cameras rolled and here's how the actor described his guns. >> nine millimeter, semi-automatic. a handy gun, easy to use, carry it in a purse like that gal from wal-mart two-year-old son reaches into a pocketbook shoots her -- dead, gone, no mom. collectors love this one. adam lanza's mom had this in her collection too and took this and self other guns and killed her and 20 innocent children. >> text saying 60% of americans think owning a gun will make them safer, in fact, it increases risk of homicide and suicide and unintentional death but john lot says that is a lie. it is hard to believe that's a lie.

it is just logical that if you have a gun in the home that all three of those things homicide, suicide, accidental death is more likely to happen because the gun is there. >> all right, well surely guns can be used for bad things, and they are but the presence of a gun in the home saves a lot more lives than it cost. you know, just a simple -- number to look at. every place in the world that has tried to ban guns when they ban guns they've seen big increases in murder rates. at least one time someplace where they ban murder rates would go down but that hasn't been the case. >> okay more guns, less crime because people can defend themselves, how about suicide and accident? >> we finding people commit suicide in other ways if they don't have guns present. >> accidental death? >> well, accidental deaths are pretty small, and -- >> small?

>> talking about 500 a year in the united states. when you consider the fact that there's about 120 million americans that own guns nice if it was 0 but i'm sure if you can get rid of all guns there wouldn't be any accidental gun deaths. >> move on to something else john calls lie about crime. it's the hands up, don't shoot movement as for michael brown killed by a police officer in ferguson lots of protest where people shout hands up, don'ts shoot. and it was a powerful message, it stemmed from reports that michael brown had his hands up when he was shot. >> there's plenty of reason to believe that michael brown had his hands up at some point. >> this is a lie? >> if the officer had shot somebody, whose arms were up and they have some evidence for it, you would think they would have charged the police officer there. but if you look at forensic evidence it is clear that michael brown attacked officer inside the officer's patrol car.

and there's plenty of witnesses who saw michael brown charging the police officer before he fired. >> one witness said he had his hands up. >> one who started saying that was the guy who committed crimes earlier in the day bhiek el brown and there's a few other statements that he made to the police that were, obviously, false too. >> yet this myth became the basis for all of these demonstrations plus the fact that some qorps abusing minorities. >> nobody goes back to correct the record it has like forget what we've said before. moving on to some other problem now. i worry that it creates a real distance, even more than there should be between police officers and blacks. >> another lie. fbi confirms that sharp rise in mass shootings since 2000. >> it is not a lie. since 2000, it is up sharply. >> media just generally every couple of years they want to say shootings are up because people buy newspapers or get more

scared about it not true. if you look over last 40 years for example, it is basically -- empg we have a chart of that it is up slightly. fairly -- >> not statistically significantly different. >> in "new york times" they pecked the year 2000 which was an aberrant low year. >> it basically looks at the data, knows that 2000 is unusual. crime across the board is plummeted, even in just the last seven years but since 1991 murder rate 908 per thousands and down to about 4.2. >> so the left lies to get to try to get gun control but right lies of a lot of -- crime and tri. terrorism issues more likely to kill you than it is and die driving or swimming than you are to killed by a terrorist. >> right. well i guess the question here is, what might have happened if they hadn't gone and done

certain things to stop terrorist type afnght. you don't know, you know, one thing is common. unknown number of cases that you might have had terrorist types attacks relatively rare types of events. >> coming up the politician who gets away with telling lies. >> i remember landing under sniper fire, there was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport. but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles. [laughter] [applause]

[ applause ] . john: i'm not thrilled with that title, because what some people call a lie may be a matter of debate or wishful

thinking as we said. if it to be a lie, the person has to know they're saying something that's not true. do it on purpose. politicians talk about what they believe, they only believe foolish things so they're not actually lying, except one politician repeatedly lies and so far has pretty much gotten away with it. that's hillary clinton, of course. now at least because of her e-mail mistakes, more people are paying attention to her lies but it took lots of time. the e-mail lies began when she claimed she used one device for simplicity. >> it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two e-mail accounts. i thought using one device would be simpler. john: except it turned out she used two devices. >> iphone or android? [ laughter ]. >> iphone. [ cheers ] >> okay, in full disclosure,

blackberry, and a blackberry. john: she just lied. what was in the e-mails. >> i took the unprecedented step of asking that the state department make all my work-related e-mails public for everyone to see. john: except she only turned over e-mails she said were relevant, the rest she wiped clean, and then she lied again. >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. john: but now u.s. inspector general says there was classified material. >> there are at least four e-mails with classified information on that server. first inspector general, plus a second one at the state department determined clinton's private account contains hundreds of potentially classified e-mails. >> possible hillary received the classified e-mails and didn't send them if that makes a difference, i don't think it makes a difference. hillary lied again when she said a congressional panel

never subpoenaed her e-mails. >> i've never had a subpoena. john: they had subpoenaed her, the panel chairman released the subpoena. her lawyers acknowledged she received it. now politicians will often lie when they're in trouble, but hillary sometimes lies to make herself look better. remember the risks she took when she flew to bosnia? >> i remember landing under sniper fire. there was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles. john: they ran with their heads down. except that never happened. she later said she misspoke. brian williams misremembers hostile fire and he loses his job, but hillary, she cruises on. she also lies just to relate to voters. >> you know, all my grandparents came over here. you're talking about the second and third generation, that's me. john: but three out of her four

grandparents were not immigrants. she said all but three out of four were born here in america. to many people hillary's most egregious lie came after the terrorist attack in benghazi. >> we've seen rage and violence directed at american embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. john: but hillary forwarded e-mails that said it was a coordinated terrorist attack, not a response to an internet video. when questioned about that, she said that's not important. >> the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of protest or guys out for a walk one night and decided to go kill some americans? what different at this point does it make? john: it makes a difference because honesty matters. if hillary's matters go on and on. she said she was broke when she left the white house, but she had an $8 million advance for a book. that's broke?

and is she for free trade? >> i have been a critic of nafta from the very beginning. john: no. at the beginning, she was more sensible. >> everybody is in favor of free and fair trade, and i think that nafta is proving its worth. john: what's true? >> before that, when her husband was a young aspiring governor, she somehow made an incredible profit trading cattle futures, and then she said. >> i don't understand how that could have possibly occurred. john: how it could possibly occur? not only that, she didn't remember making all that money. >> the accountant and my husband and i missed the fact that we had actually made some money. >> you don't remember the profit? >> no, i don't remember the profit. john: the profit was 100,000. 100,000 here, 100,000 there, the amount her husband makes as governor. who remembers things like that. and the white house scandal and the mysteriously disappearing

records. i like the way hugh downs introduced the segment. >> tonight, hillary clinton under siege. >> an avalanche of serious charges and sharp criticism of the first lady called a congenital liar. >> how did you get in the mess where your whole credibility is questioned? >> i ask myself that every day, barbara because it's very surprising and confusing to me. john: confusing to me, too. she was called a congenital liar then and lies now. it doesn't seem to hurt her. some polls suggest that the e-mail scandal hurt her in swing states, but polls aren't as accurate as the betting. and the betting posted at bet fares still has her the overwhelming favorite in the presidential race. maybe for some politicians, lying pays off. please tell me it doesn't. i'd love to hear from but it on facebook and twitter. next, so far i've been picking mostly on the left, but

will conservatives lie too? yes, they do. and my next guest says they lie about wages, jobs, medicare, global warming and more. when we come back. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?

[ applause ] . john: so far on this show i've mostly picked on democrats, liars of the left, but the left will tell you there are plenty of conservative liars, libertarian liars, too. rick ungar says medicare, minimum wage, global warming and more. on my facebook page some people wrote back about that. take it away. minimum wage. >> if you're going to be honest about minimum wage, you will look at studies and see there are times when the economy improved where. more jobs happened after a minimum wage increase. john: the lie, you're saying is that people on the right say, if you raise the minimum wage. >> you're going to lose jobs. john: going to lose jobs? >> right. john: so what if there have been times when they raise the wage and the economy boomed.

that can be coincidence. >> every plans where the minimum wage is raised it's raised over a period of years. you're not seeing let's go from $7.50 to $15. if you do it over time it's going to have less impact on the people who are employed. it has a serious impact if that. john: well impacted some people's jobs? >> it just doesn't, it doesn't at the end of the day. john: how is it possible? if you raise the price of something, fewer people will hire those people. >> let me ask you a question, you buy a pizza, right? and you find out the pizza costs five cents more. what are you going to do? it seems if you need to pay an employee a little bit more, everybody freaks out. why isn't the economy being impacted negatively by that pizza maker having to charge you more because cheese went up, but somehow it's impacted by employees.

john: because the cheese maker needs cheese for the pizza. some of the employers are going to automate or not hire as many new people, not expand. >> you can't make a pizza without people to make it, can you. john: all right. another thing you say is a lie we libertarians say we're better off if most things are left to the free market. >> here's the problem. even some of the greatest writers in history on free market, adam smith, he also believed in a social safety net. now that is not free market. john: adam smith said to prohibit people from making all they can of every part of their own produce or employeeing their industry in the way they judge most advantageous to themselves is a violation to the most sacred rights of mankind, and you leftists are saying he didn't believe in the free market? >> no, didn't believe in a pure free market. there's a difference.

the market isn't taking care of workers very efficiently either. john: better than everything else? >> you think they are? john: yes. >> you don't have a problem with income inequality in this country. >> i think people get absurdly rich when they're free, and we benefit from that. >> and people get poor if they're not paid a reasonable wage. john: the government limits the people that hire them. >> no, i'm just not buying that. john: you say the right lies about medicare. here's andrea tanteros on the five who implies the accusation itself is a lie. >> i've seen democrats threaten republicans, you're going to get medicare, they're going to cut grandma's medicare. all the ads with paul ryan pushing them off the cliff. we've heard it since the 80s saying they're going to cut medicare. john: maybe they're lying, they should want to cut, it it's going broke. >> i agree.

john: medicare refuses to die, and i want all the good stuff that hospitals keep. >> do you want yours cut? john: i don't want it cut. >> what are you going to do? john: $100 trillion in the hole. >> we'll find a way to do it. john: cut it, raise the retirement age. cut the rich people out. >> that's not cutting medicare, that's means testing medicare. john: they're not cutting it. >> i do, i don't think i should be getting medicare, and i'm very glad in a few months i will be. john: rick says republicans and libertarians lie when we talk about global warming. here's congressman inhofe talking about the cold snap last winter. >> you know what this is? it's a snowball. from just outside here. it's very, very cold out. john: inhofe wrote a book that calls global warming the greatest hope when it threatens your future. the fear morning is a hoax and

the subsidies are a hoax, that's not a lie, that's true. >> that it's a hoax? john: that it's a hoax to say that buying a solar panel or riding my bike to work is going to make any difference. it's a hoax to say we don't know that this is a crisis. >> you can look at the 92% of scientists who suggest that this is a real problem and more importantly a man-made problem. you can discount it. john: 92% may say man contributes, but they don't agree that it's a real problem. >> actually, most of them do. but i'll tell you what. i'll give you this, the problem is when you start saying it's all a big hoax, you are taking something that belongs in the scientific community and should be done by science and turning it into a political discussion. if we're not sure, i want to err on the side of being smart about it. john: you want to err on the side of spending more with other people's money. stick around, the audience

wants to question you, and ann coulter and art carden, that's next.

[ applause ] . john: we're back with your questions or comments for my guests, ann coulter who says

immigration rules mean audios to america. art carden says the government can run our lives better than we can. and from the left, rick ungar from forbes says the right lives. first question for facebook to anyone this is from rosy hampton, do they lie because there are no consequences? >> i have to acknowledge, all politicians lie. i haven't met one who hasn't. it's not there are no consequences, the consequences work out well. when they lie they get their jobs back. john: really? it works? >> yeah, it does. it does. politicians lie largely because, a, people are not paying attention, or, b, if they are paying attention stlashgs not done the really, really hard thinking of understanding the economics behind an issue. it's a lot easier to tell a story let's help poor people by raising the minimum wage and everybody will see how great we are. >> as i can see on the issue of immigration, the only issue that matters -- [ laughter ]. john: the only issue that matters?

>> you are a one issue wonder. >> yes, who gets to vote in america. there are consequences but they don't care because there's more donor money behind the lies, and they know where the people stand which is why they're claiming, we'll secure the border and build the fence and the fence never gets built and they don't have the border, and still get the donations and the money. john: the fence, half of them don't come up from mexico. >> that's a lie, they claim there are only 11 million immigrants, there are a minimum of 30. john: yes, ma'am. >> i suspect your ancestors come from maybe england. john: talking to ann? >> or scotland. talking to ann. as somebody who comes from eastern europe whose ancestors who were not welcome here and had to fight here and had to fight to be in the middle class, i think you're afraid of

people who don't look like you and who don't speak like you. john: you're afraid of people who are not like you? >> no. i think i'm afraid of people who vote for the democrats, and who drive down wages. john: be very afraid. >> this is why i've said, and maybe i didn't stress this enough here over and over again. i'm not talking about pre-1970 immigration. we did get the best the world had to offer pre-1970. post-1970 to quote the create donald trump, some i'm sure are fine people. by and large, we're not getting the creme de la creme. john: sergei bren gave us google. >> we're not getting the creme de la creme. john: but. >> hey! still talking. >> go ahead, just interrupt her.

>> ms. coulter, i'm from china, i'm an international student here. i came here legally, i'm not an immigrant yet and have to pay my school in order to do a paid internship. paying taxes, not collecting benefits from, so i'm wondering do you think i'm one of the type that are taking away american jobs? is my presence here hurting americans' lives. >> maybe. john: no! >> absolutely not. excuse me, how did that question begin? ms. coulter. look, maybe you're a fun person, wish you the best. john: you don't know that. >> obviously, when people make it personal like this, you're expecting me to say, absolutely you're not take anything jobs. i don't know! maybe you aren't. my point is simpthree a government policy should serve the people already here. >> my guess is you're more likely to be a job creator in my country than a job taker, and i hope you stay. [ applause ] >> yes, sir. >> this is for ann. was there a time in u.s.

history -- john: you're a question magnet. >> wasn't there a time in u.s. history when they froze immigration in order to simulate the current population? >> yes, a moratorium, give us time to dust off the books, assimilate the ones over here. it's not helpful for americans. i'm going back to you. maybe you will be great, but i'm getting fed up with this bait and switch you guys do as if they're all like him. >> they're not. >> it's not we want the job creators and not the ones driving away wages. >> even if he's illiterate, even if they can lift heavy stuff and put it back down, he's a job creator. why? he makes americans more productive. people like you. >> that is insane! >> the law of comparative advantage. >> not if he's taking welfare. >> it's what my students learn on day two. john: ann coulter, art carden, rick ungar, that's our show. don't lie!

see you next week.