>> talk about driving the ride share phenomenon i think penske people in cars longer i own it up 20% in a year. >> jonas? >> japan satori is making it better for a whole country. >> where is your prop? neil is next. half a billion bucks for this? >> if you think it is tough listening to that just be grateful i didn't show you that. the part on these now infamous tapes showing planned parenthood workers sifting through disposed fetus organs and tissue cards in a pie dish as if a takeout order from a chinese restaurant. but reduced now to bargaining chits on a table, open to the highest bidder. let's just say taxing. and for those pro-life and pro-choice alike, many wondering how this group gets half a billion bucks every year of their taxes.

welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. suddenly things aren't going as planned parenthood. a judge just stopping the release of still more damning tapes. but is the damage already done? charles payne, ben stein, jerry shgs, gerri willis and jessica. charles payne, you say defund planned parenthood. >> absolutely. the videos weren't enough to convince you, we always the auk about how we're barreling towards $20 trillion in debt. the idea that taxpayers are paying a wealthy organization that gets donations from the largest corporations, the wealthiest people let them go on their own, do this kind of thing on their own. in this particular case i think it's appalling but certainly the fact that any taxpayer money goes to it is a shame, a sin. >> too early to tell if there's criminal stuff going on here but i have've talked to pro lifers and pro-choicer ace like who say, whoa. >> whoa is right. that's the right response. trying to defund it is nearly

impossible. why not take them to court? it's illegal to sell fetal body parts. that's what we should be doing. we should be stopping them in their steps. >> why can't we defund them? >> it's medicare reimbursements. that's how the money goes out the door. legally it's almost impossible to stop that money. that's the way the government works. >> what do you think? >> i don't think we should be defunding planned parenthood. there are no federal funds that goes toward the abortions. it's 3% of their business. the rest is contraception, family planning. >> what is fungible, though? >> i completely take your point, but the way the republicans are painting this they're not putting out all the information about how this fund -- >> makes people think twice about the organization. >> making me think twice, too, as a very pro, pro-choicer. i mean no one would not take pause at these, but why can't we have a doj investigation or an hhs investigation? >> we just might. i fear where they might go. ben stein, your thoughts. >> the very, very large bulk of the religious population of america thinks that abortion is

murder. the idea of taking their tax money and using it to fund planned parenthood and getting it yes, in their budget abortion is a small amount. they take the money they get from the u.s. taxpayer and they use it to pay for other things that have more of the money given them by the hollywood beautiful people and use that. as charles said the money is fungible. especially the u.s. taxpayer who hates abortion considers it murder is paying for abortion. that is an outrage. >> we should stress by law with no direct federal proceeds can go to abortions but you are right about the lab ribt andyrinth and the process involved here as gerri was pointed out how it's funded through medicare. very difficult to undo this whole thing. >> yeah. that points to a whole lot of other issues because we can't undo anything. anytime we talk about doing anything reasonable or to ben's point righteous, we can't do it. it's too complicated. there are too many rules. we have to spend it spend it spend it no matter where it

goes. and wen't can't have an adult honest conversation about it or adult honest conclusions. in this particular case we need to find a way to undo it. >> what's disturbing in this gerri, whatever your views on abortion they are talking about discarded fetal remains. >> i know. >> in a way like they are chits on a table, negotiate to the highest bidder for research or what have you, it could be a side money making arm for planned parenthood. planned parenthood says that is not the case. but clearly they're treating this like a business transaction. that is very bad for the image of planned parenthood and difficult to come on. maybe given jessica's point, if it doesn't get much attention for long maybe it goes away. >> i hope it doesn't. i hope action is taken. is there an a.g. out there that will bring these people to court? it's illegal. you're not allowed to make money on fetal -- >> they made money. >> we don't know that.

but if they have if they've done this legality at hand here, but if this gets to be a criminal affair, that has brought down a number of institutions that have been -- >> institutions that are breaking the law should be brought down especially ones that are federally funded at least to some degree. but i wish the conversation was more about all the good that planned parenthood does. >> what do they do? >> in 2013 -- >> what? >> tell me some of the good it does. >> are you kidding? >> i'm not, ben. in 2013 they saw 2.7 million patients. 08% of those people were there to get contraceptives 80%, and 75% were low-income people living at or below the poverty line. >> do you need planned parenthood to do that? >> no not necessarily. but they are in the right communities. they're in the right places. serving communities that have long been neglected. this isn't about an attack on women's health but i truly believe it is because we're not talking about the fact those funds are -- >> oh my god. >> yes, ben. oh my god.

>> i saw these videos. i mean you're not talking about attack on far bigger issues. >> absolutely but we need to separate. defending track here is separate from those videos which are abhorrent and they're terrible and we know that they've been -- >> anyone that has anything to do with those videos my views, strong here may sound kooky to you, don't get a penny for anything. it is destroying -- i hear what you're saying. ben stein, what do you think? >> i think as i said far large number of us abortion is murder. the idea that the taxpayer directly or indirectly is subsidizing mass murder close to not exactly but close to a million innocent lives a year is absolutely unbelievable. it's a holocaust paid for at large by taxpayers. it's unbelievable. >> that's so dangerous to say. >> i don't even -- as tempting as it is we all have strong views on this subject, i'll avoid the abortion debate as much to step back and see the

callousness of this debate. we paid a lot more attention to the killing of a lion this past week than we have to anything that came um on this particular case. in fact the disproportionate coverage was blamed on well fox is just rigging these tapes. so what we did is -- they said all right, you're putting a bunch of tapes together. on my show and others we said here's one tape one conversation here's another. nothing's being butted together nothing is being edited. you decide about this. >> the cavalier attitude, the notion that someone would buy a lam boarr lamborghini or by sell eight borted parts, the way they talked about this is so heartbreaking. jess kashgs some of the stuff you're talking about, helping the poor communities, i think those are all things that enable even encourage the wrong kind of attitudes ss in poor communities. hey, 16-year-old, go out and have unprotected sex, then come down to the clinic. those are all part and parcel of

the -- everything they do to me -- i just think this is an organization from its very inception that believes -- that did not have a certain belief and certain people in this society, that looked at them as lower and figured out, you know what we can help them by aborting their children or other things. i think it's a flawed organization from day one. people need to look at history. >> i know a lot of these views were not in your reckoning life. but does it disturb you on a certain level when you hear this woman say this is a crunchy one, this is an intact one, this is a good, solid brain, you can use this. >> absolutely. >> this is a whole liver. on that level don't you think it hurts what you're talking about here, that there's an insensitivity and a callousness to the whole process here that demeans life or when you define life or when you define humans or when you define simple decency? >> absolutely. and i opened by saying that that this is disturbing to you no matter where you fall on the

political spectrum, whether you're pro-choice or pro-life. that's why i want an investigation into it. i think cecile richards was not actually tough enough about the tone of these videos and maybe what's going on inside the halls of planned parenthood. but that doesn't undo what i still believe to be a tremendous amount of good for the country and i take your point and i respect it wholeheartedly but i still believe that planned parenthood offers a very valuable service. >> whether you like it or not, planned parenthood survives goes through, the president through josh earnest was saying it's much ado about nothing. it's a republican cabal. it's a right-wing conspiracy. i can't tell you the time ls i've heard that sort of stuff. so i think it goes away. but i think there's something in this that disturbs me when a judge refuses the release of still more videos that if you saw them if you heard them no one would talk about anything edited. they would just be appalled. >> that was really frightening, i think, the squashing free speech and saying no you can't

see these videos. listen they were disturbing. i've seen them. it's appalling. people need to look. and when they do look they're repulsed. >> goes on and on and on. next week the battle to see those tapes released from a judge who shut them down at the request of planned parenthood but it is a mess. in the meantime have you ever wondered what hillary clinton thinks about this issue about the keystone pipeline? you'll have to wait till she beco al qaeda leader

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i'm uma pemmaraju. well she is happy to part company with her former boss andre and just this past week on tax bus not on keystone not yet, neway, hillary clinton deferring to the administration on this controversial pipeline and telling a new hampshire voter that if the matter still isn't resolved when she becomes president she'll give him an answer then. i'm thinking what are you telling me the italians are saying. gerri, what do you think? >> this is ridiculous. she's already been in favor of this on that side. what's the mystery? why the squeamishness now? >> she's staying as secretary of state she set up the mechanism to explore this. >> it was more than the mechanism. it was the big okey-dokey i think. >> i didn't understand the reasoning. but to me it sounds like she's dodging. >> needless to say she doesn't want to say she's different from him. she said plain and simple in her book and on book tour i would have bombed syria.

you know when obama drew the red line and he didn't follow through. she's made it clear -- >> she said i would have bombed the keystone pipeline. startled a lot of people. >> anyway i mean -- >> so you will argue she picks and chooses her battles. >> 100%. i think it's one of the worst thins about her candidacy. >> i was all ready to trash you here. ben stein, you're hearing this. she obviously is picking her issues here. this is one she must figure is too hot to handle right now. what do you think? >> i think she's being extremely smart about this. she's already got the environmentalists on her side. they're not going to vote for any republican. she's got them locked up. now the question is unions and the people who work as ironworkers or other union workers who would be working on the pipeline she doesn't want to alienate them. i think that's smart of her. she's a political person. she knows which way the wind blows. she knows if she doesn't get out of the wind she won't get blown around. i think it's extremely clever of her. >> what do you think? >> you know, look i think she's got a serious issue with the obama administration. that's who she's fighting right

now more than anyone else. i mean you see this e-mail thing won't go away a few things here and there. it really feels like she's trying to walk this really on eggshells around president obama because this is something -- >> i think she's worried he's kind of pushing joe bide an little bit. >> he can push joe biden. the president has a big dark cloud over hillary. he's not always love and hug and kisses. they don't get along and a lot of things don't go away. >> we do shows together. >> but if i ran for president i think you'd get my back. >> not really. >> i know the way to your heart. box of cannolis every day. >> every day at least. i agree to this a lot of needless positioning and, you know playing it too close to the vest here. i think that to our discussion earlier is what is hurting hillary clinton. so cautious to the point of being, what are you doing? >> and nobody knows. i think she'll start paying the price. >> she's already paying the financial backer whors getting nervous. >> to that point, talk about

exxonmobil and petroleum, companies who have contributed to her. maybe her impulse is simpler than we're discussing. >> i also think at a time with prices of energy going lower, it took kind of the monkey off her back for a while, right? i don't hear her bemoaning the tens of thousands of oil and oil services jobs that have gone as a result of this. i don't hear her calling for hearings into this clear cabal that is forcing these prices down. but by the same token she's realizing that the heat might be off her for keystone anyway. >> tom stooir said he'll stand behind her. >> the gazillionair sneshgs. >> yes. she said i'm completely comfortable with what hillary clinton has said. >> she hasn't said it yet. >> a lot of people are hedging on her, feel like they know from her from time as secretary of state. >> no way they can know her. >> the soek edshe ok'd it initially. >> he puts her finger in the

wind. she doesn't have a stance doesn't believe in anything. >> maybe that's how to be a leader. they all do that in that regard. ben stein, there is always a danger when you are such the overwhelming front run they're you have nowhere to go but down. but you keep protecting the turf by trying either to run out the clock or not say too much. and she's paying dearly for that. this keystone i think is illustrative of that ridiculously cautious stance. i know you praised it politically, but i think it's part of a piling-up of issues on which she's not committing herself, she's not clarifying herself, she's roping off the press. if gasparino were here and he were in the press, i would rope him off too. my point is it's adding up and hurting her dearly. what do you think? >> she's probably run the least inspiring campaign i've ever seen. careful, prudent, incredibly uninspiring. the rumor mill in washington where i happen to be today is red hot with theed idea that biden is going to run. and i think he could blow her right out of the water largely because she is being too

cautious. i like her but he can blow her out of the water. >> there's blood in the water and sharks are coming. >> i think so. >> in the form of john kerry and joe biden. it's possible they jump in there, but as we were discussing earlier, if the problem for hillary clinton is she's too tied for barack obama, there's no one more tied to barack obama than joe biden. he's likable, he's fun, and i think -- >> joe biden/donald trump race. is that a pay-per-view event? >> make politics way more popular. >> i know where you're going. hey, mom and dad, there is a reason why your grown kids are not leaving the nest -- you. they

well, the young and not so restless one in four millenials are more than happy to rest their feet at home. mom and dad, that is your home your couch, your remote. a number of kids are staying home. for this boomer dad, this is not sinking in. what's going on? >> i'm a boomer baby. i don't live at home. i go there a lot, though. they are a few blocks away. i love them dearly and they feed me. but -- >> they kick you out or what? >> no it was voluntary. but, what i would say is there are other factors going on here. we have a lot of student debt. >> when i was your age, i had debt too, young lady. >> absolutely. >> i don't know what i mean by that.

do you buy that or no? >> here is what i buy. there is no up vestment in the world to keep your children living with you. that's it. nothing. nothing is better than that. not facebook nothing is better than that. i will tell you about it another time. >> do you need a hug? >> whatever it costs to keep your grown children from living with you, pay it. even if it's ransom. >> what do you think of that? >> oh boy. it's a tough one. obviously, there's economic issues. >> i hope my daughter is still asleep. >> this is something that i'm worried. japan is ahead of us on this. they have the boys that don't go out. not only don't that have girlfriends, half of them don't have sex. everything is plunged and bad. the parents are partly to blame. i know i'm partly to blame. >> i don't know where you are

going with the sex, but i appreciate you bringing that in. >> not living a normal life. >> oh! oh! >> people have sex in normal life. >> don't go -- >> italian, after all. i think it's mom and dad's fault. every financial adviser i talk to says my biggest problem is my clients are giving too much money to the kids. >> talk about it. they encourage multigenerations. they are all together having a great time playing scrabble or whatever. why are you so nasty? >> i'm not nasty. i love my son, love my granddaughter, love my daughter-in-law, i just don't want them anywhere close to me for long. not for long. a weekend, a few times a year is great. they have their own rules. my wife and i want to rest. >> okay. okay.

now, if you are watching honey buns it doesn't apply to you, but may i suggest the garbage doesn't take itself out. we'll have more after this including for you trying to suck off your parents.

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real life. >> ben stein? >> berkshire hathaway love it love it love it. >> i suggest home depot. have a great weekend. isis calling for armageddon. this is what the president is calling them. >> we call groups like al qaeda, isil al shah bad, call them what they are, murderers. >> some here say, until the president is willing to call them what they really are, we are not going to win this fight. hi everybody. i'm elizabeth mcdonald if for david. welcome. thanks for joining us. steve forbes -- >> steve, do we call these islamic terrorists murderers or terrorism?