[laughter] >> you are humble. so -- >> capital of libya -- go. >> it is -- wait, wait -- stop it. >> three, two -- got me. >> time is up neil it's yours. >> stuart thank you very, very much. you might have heard there's some sort of of a big presidential debate coming up in a couple of days. you might have also heard that donald trump is surging in the latest polls what you haven't heard are some of the things that are going underneath polls leak donald trump's neglection. so-called unelectibility aspect of donald trump. well that seals to be going away fast. in the latest poll we added negatives have dropped about 26 percentage points in other words he now h fewer negatives than lindsey graham. chris christie, george pataki, all of a sudden not only is he surging in the positive to the polls, he is dropping down in

the negatives. looking all the more electable to a party that in trying its best to dismiss it. we've got to have rick perry later on in the show to talk about that and impact all of this is having and he's on the race but first to the hills on what to make of this twin stunning development on polls that show not surprisebly that donald trump remain as very, very popular. but he is not nearly as controversial as he used to be. in other words those who say i will never, ever vote for the guy, they're way down. what's going on here? >> you can bet that the trump camp is doing a happy dance neil with latest poll numbers. listen, trump has been touting himself saying health he would t jobs president that god ever created and latest numbers will certainly help pump his ego if that is even possible to do these days. >> people have a chance to reassess still early smartphones like you reminding me.

they're saying you know we don't find it objectionable or unelectable. his neglection running at 59% two weeks ago, that they're now running at around -- 33%. of that is biggest drop in negatives we've seen any kind of most of the other candidates have seen their negatives rise. hillary clinton is risen per sip that might change the debate. >> it helps that economy is really according to polls at least what is on folks mind. if the number one priority for r voters was terrorism donald trump is going around the world opening golf courses if it was health care, he might have trouble there sense he's flip-flops on the health care fund. but economy is really his sweet spot. so that's buying into his campaign now. tmpleg all right we'll watch very, very clogsly but it is remarkable just the same.

whether it is big one on thursday night or prior to that on thursday, who resonates but i always look at the money side of this. a showcase event for donors were for money, and for that, i've got charlie gasparino and judge on how that debate could affect that debate. and i think, you know, especially for those who weren't invited to that coke brothers summit -- >> including trump didn't get the invite. >> exactly not that i think he would need it. but chris christie didn't eaters. either but saying i'm viable and i have a message, and give me some money. >> yeah, no, these guys they need money, right. so i think when we can probably anticipate a that we're going to see some good things out of bush, good thingings out of walker. you've already seen -- >> so established kaingts they have some win behind them.

outside of that, i mean, maybe who are others that can really pick up some opportunity here? i mean, i think ted cruz and rand paul are so closely identified it with the tea party that they might struggle to get sort of more serious -- >> that is what it is a triad for donors, right? >> i disagree with the premise here. i don't think money is going to be an issue in the election. ting -- some of them may be for the very lower tear one maybe like -- i would say ben carson and i don't mean he's lower tier but best and those not polling as well. bottom tier candidates maybe. but this will not be an election where money will matter especially primaries will matter because there's so many billionaires and chris christie backed up. so billionaire, rubio has black stone and wayne berman and blackstone republican partners giving him money no problem. jeb has his own immense

fundraising abilities and drmp is rich. and if you get -- >> i'm looking at the characters the ones who can use this as a chance to say hey, did you forget about him? it is not moving -- >> i think with donald trump and what he's done and again, i still think this is an exercise for donald until proven wrong -- amazing exercise. he's taking all of the wind out of the second tier conservative candidates and basically made op tr t ga ani dot ink ney mters itll gotone >> kach i would watch him closely he needs money before he gains momentum. >> a few million versus tens of millions. >> he'll get it coke brothers they'll back him up. he'll get a billionaire. you know, he'll get -- >> chris christie has three billionaires. rmings just saying john kasich -- >> flip that around despite his

dismissal of a whole segment i would look at it trish and say there's so many -- with so much money. or certainly more money than we ever would have thought possible that they drag this process out longer and later than what normally would be the case and denied the clear nominee by convention funds. >> well -- that's an interesting fee. and yet others who now get in the money race or a little bit more they canning stay in laibts a little bit longer too. >> what about trump doing so well right now. in other words can others outlast him? >> this is not money if it goes for that long. >> trump won't need money. he won't need money. like i said i don't think this election except with a low tier candidate is about money. this is primary will be about how they get around trump and stand out from the crowd. they have billionaire backers. forward, donald did quite brilliantly. i think i like to know who --

in his head because he's such a smart guy. if i hit three or four ledge issues i'm going to pull out and suck the air a and ted cruz rand paul, and you know, anybody else to right now -- >> you're showcasing a marketing effort here. >> i think in the end donald trump will sell for more money. >> let me qualify that. it is not who can outlast who in materials of money. when it comes to trump is it can others outlast him. in other words, does he just become so hot that he burns out? at some point does he have howard dean like moments? remember haoward doing great and downhill? >> he's more yeetd savvy than that. he's been practicing this and hengdzs he understands what his nasty does. i will say what i find brilliant is that he understands that when you apologize for saying something a little bit

politically correct it is worse than -- >> here it comes. tmpletion they've got your number. >> and he plays it -- >> but you dismissed donald trump. talk about someone not apologizing. smg i say he's brilliant. dismissed him. as a candidate not as a brilliant businessman which is what he is. >> he'll be the next king of the world. ferghts white house, apprentice in the white house. what that is going to be like, listen i think he's brilliant in a business way and bottom line is this -- >> do you think he's -- >> no i don't at all resonates with with those across both sides of the aisle. a lot of republicans like him. >> why is he res naitding? republican party right now, mainstream republican vote reverse so mad they hate --

he said he made up himself. >> and then, who is going to buy apprentice? >> and you're talking about -- we're going to have this guy who could use -- any sort of light. [laughter] >> the opportunity. >> might be an opportunity i'm sure he's looking at it. just like that, you know, he represents a little bit more of the old guards. more traditional. he called out trump initially. for those comments that he made. >> lowest tier candidate for now. epitome -- >> but >> oh, god please. i love george. >> i know these guys. [laughter] >> l i love him. >> he's a class act. >> he is a class act that's a good way to put it. >> listen, he's the epitome of lower tier in this election. >> oh, dear. >> that was a perfect response. thank you.

tell you what happens in the meantime we have strategist hillary clinton is getting another look here not only from great candidates who want to challenge her including we're told maybe the vice president of the united states. but look at those negatives as trumps are going down. hers are soaring, in fact, higher negatives than any other kawnts in the race right now. richard fowler on whether that is a problem for her. richard, what do you think? >> oh, i think we have to wait and see. i think if you look at a polls now besides republican debate, tomorrow, are the day after that rather, i think this election is too early to tell. we have to wait to see what happens as we get close to the iowa caucus so winter months is a good time so see. hey, listen if you ask the party they'll tell you we want nothing more than a healthy primary and if vice president plans on jumping in to make that primary healthy. it is a great idea. >> they describe and say you want to make sure your candidate is -- you know, tried true and tested

to the process. something that comes of that. mitt romney survived that. many would argue that he was badly beaten in the process so that he kill out a wontedded wounded nominee. having said that do you think hillary clinton is revealing her inability as a politician and that is giving donors pause right now and knocking on vice president door other prominent democrats door to say incase hillary folds we want to back up sort of a mainstream not a bernie sanders unelectabling in their eyes and that is why we're looking to you vice president biden, that is why they might be looking to john kerry. what do you make of all of that? >> less about donors and more about the american people. i think if you look at bernie sanders surge in polls, it salespeoples to fact that both democrats within republicans, independent are looking for candidates to seek to issues facing america. i think we'll see from hillary next coming days, weeks as she lace out a plan, agenda for country is how she plans on

tapping into those americans. how -- to make that connection with those americans. >> do you think she's cape capable of that. no one doubts her history and all but i wonder if she's up to galvanize to inspire people and get them psyched. >> truth is that she ran for senate? new york and won and hard knocks of american policy of new york and new york city, and she planninged to win new york. >> liberal place and dominating liberal and she's not exactly a john berger i take nothing away from that campaign. let's face it hardly typical of what would be a national challenge here. >> i think it is a national challenge. introduced herself to the people and won election and square. i think that speaks to her strength but healthy primaries are a good thing. >> all right neil. >> i think several people right

now would be nervously disagrees with you but very early as we point out. thank you my friend very good seeing you. so here's some of the traditional coal industry type and traditional fossil fuel industry types. president launched a war on robert murray. big coal industry he's back, he's suing. he can't believe what he's hearing. >> i'm an american. and they're destroying low cost electricity in america. and it is a human issue to me because it is live of livelihood of my employees, neil that he's destroying. you may not be in the coal industry, you may not be passionate as a i am about my employee. but every american should wake up to what's happening. it is regulations from the obama administration. the usepa and increase use of natural gas have eliminated our markets.

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not the other way around. >> republicans are having problems with the new initiative requirements and wants to get them slapped down town in the years to come. so there may be resistance here, and the secretary on the wire now saying that the obama administration power plant rule shows that the united states can change the world in fighting climate change. goes on to say that the united states has set a good example for the worrell, and it would be wise for the world to follow. and robert does not quite see it that way. he's suing over the epa rules, it has already cost his company alone a couple thousand jobs. and he joins me right now. robert, the un loves this, though. are you out of step with the

un? >> no. i'm not out of step with reality. the united nations is out of step with reality. clean power plant of the obama administration, neil it's a tragedy for america. first of all, co2 is not even a pollutant. secondly he's eliminating reliable, available, low cost electricity in america for virtually no environmental benefit. people on fixed in connection with are not going to be able to pay their electronic bills. manufacturer of products for the global marketplace are not going to be able to compete. i call it a political power grab of america's power grid >> were you surprised, robert, that he did this in the face of that supreme court decision that effectively said to the epa you've got to factor in the cost of business of the rules you're imposing. and then he announces that -- the agency announces far more sweeping rules on cutting back on emissions by some 32% by

the year 2030. what did you make of that? >> you are correct, sir. he has increased the amount of carbon dioxide reduction. we won the mercury or utility map june 29th before the united states supreme court. our same arguments are in this clean power plant. but what happened, neil, is they set the time frame. they compressed the time frames so that 411, 4-cent kill watt hour, coal plants were closed by the supreme court heard our case. so we won, but we won nothing. he's gaming it again on the alone power plant by compressing this time frame to where the states have to comply by 2016 >> now, you're arguing that they're certainly a lot cailtyn jenner than they used to be and coal itself is a lot

cleaner fuel than it used to be. i think what the administration is saying not clean enough. levels are still dangersly high. what douse to that? >> i say that's not the issue at all. this man wants to transform america. and an evil diabolical way. if you want to change america, get control of the availability, the reliability, the cost of electricity, and you've got america. has nothing to do with the environment, sir. this is -- >> to what end, robert? you're not the first one who has said that. but to what end? essaying, look, if they're telling the america people, guys like you that utility bills, energy costs are going through the roof, take a look what's going on with oil, take a look what's happening with the commodities, going on with coal, and it's been just the opposite. where is this plot to jack up prices. what douse? >> i say you are correct. this president is more interested in his radical

legacy than he is in the destruction -- >> i didn't men to say that robert. i said he argues just of what you said. that energy prices are coming down, that all of this was such an owners situation for consumers, that it certainly seen a pop-up in energy costs, and they are down. you say it's a temporary wind or what? >> yes. it's temporary, neil. electronic rates according to the clean power plant will go up over 30% immediately by 2020. 14 states will have double-digit electricity cost increases by set 2017. it's an absolutely tragedy. electronic rates are going to go just the other way. he's benefiting from the oil and gas developments in the country during his administration. he's been very fortune. but that will change with this power plant as he destroys his

four cent a kill water hour electricity and wind and solar that gets $24 -- >> so just to be clear. you're saying only a matter of of time you're going to have it. you might not see it now, commodity route going on now that includes the likes of the coal and so much other stuff. and even if prices go up and fees and a lot of the rates that go up as a rul lltill u wt? f'rgoee o.ataiwhathey said is even with the changes imposing, utility rates are going to be lower than before because of what's going on >> that is nonsense >> okay. >> it can't be. it's absolute nonsense. the electronic utilities in the interconnection, 13 states 65 million people have doubled the cost of electricity that they sell themselves in the interconnection >> i didn't understand what you said there, but it sounds like a brilliant insight. essentially the administration

is trying to own your industry, and you don't like it; right? >> i think they're trying to own america. i think they're trying to destroy our freedoms and the destruction of my employees, the coal low cost energy is the beginning of his ideological mission. >> you're a great guest. is it your industry that have been laying off people, natural gas, they've been laying off, oil services guys planning a merger, 27,000 jobs lost there. i don't know if there are any investigations in capitol hill that look into this precipitous drop in prices as if it was a what they were doing when prices were going up. do you feel that the oil industry, the coal industry, the transitional fossil fuel industry is like rodney danger field gets no respect? >> yes. that's correct. every coal industry in the united states is in trouble. obama said in 2008 when he was

elected, i will bankrupt you. he's making good on that. only two companies are going to survive the way they are by the end of 1916. he's -- or 2016. he's accomplishing his goal, but it's a tragedy because he's eliminating the 4-cent kill watt hour energy and trying to introduce 22-cent a kill watt hour wind and solar. and that won't work for america. it's going to be a tragedy. people are going to get cold in the dark. neil >> wow. all right, robert. thank you. and i say i know you've been concerned about this for quite sometime. we shall see. but for the of you not aware of what's going on, the back story here, the administration has no impose sweeping rules to be led by the epa to dramatically cut down on plant emissions by the year 2030 they should be and by law better be 30 some odd percent lower than they are now. and if they're not, there will

be hell to pay. we'll have more after this

>> talking about apple just as we were on the program today, so the stock is down 3% today. and the reason we point out that we were talking about it yesterday was to pat ourselves on the back. you should pay attention to what we say because apple's stock has been falling for sometime. and what wed you in case you don't remember the stock falls below the two day end average, that was a bad sign. it was bearish, it did, and it's down again today. so even if you're not a chart person, it makes sense to sometimes pay attention to these charts from time to time because they do tell a story. look at this one, for example, here. i can hear neil in the background already. just so happy to see another beautiful chart on his fine show. now, a couple of concerns about apple. fundamentally away from the charts. china's definitely won. a lot of people are talking

about that as the economy slows down there. and the apple watch is the other, neil. i know iphone sales were slow last,an earnings report people talked about that. but the apple watch and all these reports that maybe it's not selling as much as they had hoped. down again today >> all right. what a way to celebrate your birthday huh? you and barack >> that's right. >> now to economist brian, you know, there's a line here that apple is the market leader on the upside. and now what happens as it moves on the downside. what do you think? >> yeah. well, look. apple is huge. it's grown so rapidly in recent years, and i think connell's right. the tech -- >> do not encourage him, brian. don't. >> yeah, you know there's technical trading patterns. gosh you go over the last 10, 15, 20 years, apple has been down and up and down and up. and every time it has been down, it's been a stock to buy. and i think really what it is

is it's a bellwether of the tech world. we're living in a world where technology is advancing rapidly, in fact, it's accelerating for 99 bucks and a two-year plan, you can get thousands and thousands of dollars of technology. at least that's what it would have cost you just a few years ago. and i think this whole world is moving in that way. so sure the stock could be down, but that doesn't mean the tech boom is over, the economy is over, or that the economy is in any kind of major trouble >> you know what worried a lot of people, we sort of over fell in love with apple and a lot of fun -- a lot of these etfs just made that a key component within their representative investments to the point now where it dips a little bit, they all dip a lot and now they dictate the move or that is apple to us and the nasdaq and technology. you and i know there are plenty of other technology names and markets go up, markets go down, and you have

wide swings. but have we book too dependent on apple? >> well, maybe. but, you know, i give speeches, neil, i give about 200 speeches a year. >> ka-ching ka-ching. good for you >> yeah. these are audiences of 100 to 800 people. when i ask who owns apple, 70 to 90% of the room raises their hand. i mean i don't mean the stock. i mean their products. do you have an iphone. it is amazing the penetration that they have. and then you start thinking about the music and the payment platform and all of these things. i don't think this company is done. i don't think technology is done transforming our world, and they seem to be in the heart of it. there's a few companies that are, and we have to find them, and we have to stick with them. i think investors should stick with the companies that have done well in here because i

think over time they will continue to do well. by the way, there's no apple coming out of greece. there's no apple coming out of venezuela, and what's an amazing thing about this sits in a uniquely american company, it's changed the world. i don't think it's going to stop changing the world >> all right. some hiccups along the way, hard to say >> yeah. sure >> i appreciate it. something that is changing the worrell or something that has never happened at least in this side of the world is puerto rico. now, essentially it didn't make good on a payment that was due yesterday. and now fears that this could be a contagion that spreads way beyond its beautiful shores. after this can a business have a mind?

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>> we just got news that kellogg plans to stop using artificial products, dyes and colorings, they plan to have this out of their entire product line by 2018, and general million mills is of the same goal, the choices are getting slimmer and slimmer, which i guess is the idea to make america slimmer and slimmer and slimmer. running against the tied here, but i'll keep you posted objectionable. we're going to put more preservatives in, more chemicals. we do know this much that if you're in puerto rico right now and you live there, you're

worried about your entire commonwealth essentially going bankrupt. adam has been following. >> perhaps the attention is directed the wrong way, that music you hear is a protest in front of the public but in regards to the default and what could become the largest municipal type, different leaders here saying it has to be done and the government is misleading people. we spoke to a representative from the house of representatives saying they will pay their debt. >> structured today it is too immediate, too big for puerto rico to meet it as it was

originally structured. what we need to do is restructure it, not to avoid it as some people may say and make sure that we can comply with our obligations the way most puerto ricoans. >> they will not weasel out of their payments, but that's what they're trying to do when we spoke with a lawyer by the man of john mud, you can listen to our interview with him, and he's saying that the government is misleading people, they have the money, but they don't want to lay off jobs because that's how politicians keep their jobs. >> thank you, adam, now to scott martin on how this could spread and maybe how in chicago it already is. now, scott, from what i understand the city is looking at a bond borrowing that would include the so-called capital appreciation bonds. these are the ones that you

put off interest and payment lump slum years later. they could be risky investments certainly for investors but risky to give to investors; right? update me on what they're talking about here. >> terribly risky to give out. there's nothing happy about them. in fact, here's some perspective on that. even the west coast liberals in california have limited the issue with these capital appreciation bonds, so what does that tell you? but chicago -- and the terms on them are actually crazy. there's a high premium on them meaning that you're going to get a lot for your buck potentially but here's the kicker. the city got an pay you back for some 10, 20, maybe even 40 years until the end of the term, so you've got to way that long to see a single time for return >> so the benefits for the city and states, that was the draw originally and then to california which has expanded the practice, they get the money, they don't have to pay it back for a long, long time and then they can find a way to rob peter and give it to paul later.

but it's risky. it's a risky accounting and it's an obligation that eventually has to be funded; right? >> ponzi scheme, anyone? you're going to end up taxing the later generations, for example, the future me. and if you're actually buying these bonds, neil, are you going out there and saying, yeah, chicago can't manage their own finances, we're going to be a billion dollars in the hole in a couple of years as far as our budget in the state is going to be tens of billions in the hole in a couple of years. yeah. let's go ahead and trust that the cities and the states here in illinois are going to be able to figure it out and come deal on those payments that they promised u >> you know, the city is saying that, you know, that this is not a sure thing that they would go this route but they are going to need money and the limit to i think sales tax there would be north of 10%. so they're running out of options, hence these kinds of options coming up and that's why chicago and

chicago-related debt keeps yielding higher and higher rates because it's almost like a junk bond investment >> just past a 1% hike in the sales tax, making it one of the highest in the country. here's the difference in the scary part i think to contrast it with puerto rico and even greece. in chicago or illinois, guess what? folks like me, great looking smart people aside from me certainly can leave the state or city, neil. guess what? they can move to new york. they can move to wisconsin or texas if they like. and greece and puerto rico, they kind of have to stay there due to culture differences and countries. so guess what? chicago eventually will drive away very wise businessman like myself because they don't want to deal with the regulation, the taxes that are going to come with these obligations >> all right. but you still have the sick pizza. you have that. >> and my looks. >> and your looks. >> scott, thank you very, very much. well, of course they're willing down that list for

thursday but the fact of the matter is whether it's the first debate or second debate, it is the gold moment for candidates to shine, and it is that moment where it could define each and all go in the weeks and months ahead. why rick perry is hoping it could be a game changer for him as well, no matter the debate. after this

>> when you're in school, do you ever have sign fair day or, you know, science project day with the president the white house is having something very similar to that. it's called white house demo day. a chance for small businesses to pitch their latest ideas and money making ventures, get the president's attention, get the nation's attention, and remind people that entrepreneurs are live and well. ceo ashley turner among those show casing her goods in this case pitching her business that would get organic foods to our kids and make sure that they're eating healthy. but i'm not quite sure how

this fits in with the the president's initiatives, but maybe you can educate me. tell me what your product's about, and what started it? >> my company is about basically solving the food desert aspect that america faces, and it's a serious problem within our country >> so part of it is organic foods is just better -- >> it's not just organic. it's organic and natural produce >> okay. and how -- how does it stand out from, you know, organic competitors and those out there? you're pitching this or expanding this to alternatives for kids in our schools >> yeah. unlike a local grocery store, we use fedex, so i can reach every american with my company basically >> now, how did you get invited to this powwow? >> i was invited to this -- i finally in my company i brought on sam cast as an environmentalists and samms initiative to help with the

food desert aspect in america, and i applied, and i was able to be brought on for this event today. and i think all politics aside, it's great that all news outlets, whether it's fox news, wired magazine reporting on entrepreneurship in this country >> yeah. that almost -- you're right about that. that gets lost in taxes or changes or laws or regulations. the fact is that entrepreneurs are out there, folks like yourself are out there. if you had the president's ear or michelle obama's ear, because that's up her ally, what would you say? >> well, look, the white house is opening their doors today to diversity, and that's what the point is, and i'm the perfect example of that. before founding this company, becoming a ceo, i was on food stamps. so this is about promoting diversity in america and encouraging entrepreneurs. so it's -- i don't think it's a political event.

it's very much to just help america push forward >> how many employees do you have? >> now we're pushing about 20 employees >> do you have to adjust your rates or hourly wages for those workers as a result? >> you know, we do pay over minimum wage. i pay my workers very well. myself, i don't take a salary in this company yet, and we're headed into our first round of funding right now. and to me, it's about getting healthy produce on everyone's plate in america. all politics aside like i said. it's great that everyone's reporting on this event at the white house today, and i hope that politics can stay aside for what's going on today >> good for you. thank you very, very much. >> thank you >> in the meantime when you talk about all these high-tech companies, apple in trouble, google in trouble, but maybe a little bit less trouble, you have to ask. are they strong because they know exactly what you're up to. in fact, they know what you're going to do next. the promise of the cloud is that every organization

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>> all right. this is one of ose prominent democrats that supports the president in the iranian deal, and it looks like he has thrown his support to that iran deal a short time ago. now, that does not mean that all democrats him. for example, west virginia's democratic senator does not support that. having said that, you need 67 votes to override an expected presidential veto, but it all comes at a time when the president of white house is convinced right now that they will at least be able to prevent the vote from getting up that high. but tim cane, that is a big

guess for the administration that the problems and concerns withstanding its overall goals enough for them saying yay on this, and that makes the fight to stop it. and we still don't know the views, for example, for chuck schumer, but we know tim cane, and he is a "yes." all right. let's talk a little bit technology here with apple and google and its ability to both have -- to not only track what you do now, but pretty much gauge what you'll do in the future. it's kind of creepy, but it is high-tech. jolene kent, what is this about? >> it will take all the information that you're in their into your apps and then decide how they can be helpful. ed of the restaurant that you may be looking for if you're already in the area or prompt you for other things. and google also doing it for google now >> so based on what you've told it before, it will then say, hey, feel like italian

food, >> yeah. >> proactive assistants. >> big brother's creepy, don't you think or no? >> entirely creepy. some people find this useful, and they to say privacy out the window because we're in the year 2015, but it's a little bit invasive. it seems google is a little bit more invasive than apple. apple is going to use what's on your phone, the apps you use, the music you listen to, to be proactive and predict certain services for you >> and then that ad or whatever you're doing pops up on your site, how is that different? >> it's very much the same. but exactly the same. and that's exactly what you were just getting at; right? the google -- so apple says they're going to keep this private from third parties, but google is saying, oh, in addition to the stuff on your android stuff, we're going to take your google searches, youtube views, and taylor stuff there >> so they lied?

>> so if users don't get too ticked off to this, they may gravitate toward google. >> on the way to return my rental car. tell me where, you know, what time my package is being delivered. stuff like that. it is valid information >> but it's when it goes to a third party that might try to leverage off that and get information it really has no business getting >> correct. >> but it doesn't bother you >> because because if you use google, and it's a free product, you sign that terms of service and sign yourself away to that data. anything that's free is not free >> i think you're a machine >> i'm not a robot. of course you don't want to let that information out. but if you're not paying for a server or your own private e-mail >> so you give it all away >> you agree to their terms and do it legally >> or stick with the apple devices and less chance to

track us >> that's what tim cook says. we are the better product because we don't do x, y, and z. >> do people think this i'm getting a better restaurant >> i don't. people don't care about privacy >> when all of your data is leaked out, you start to care >> but then it's too late >> yeah. >> i told you the danger and -- >> i told you so. is that what you're saying? >> the day in the life of someone's phone; right? toes what they do, what they search for, >> yeah. >> the songs they listen to. that might be quite entertaining >> i'm just trying to think of the stuff i might put on my phone -- >> without even knowing >> and then i get all these dwarf tossing ads >> i have an iphone. i have most of my location services off. >> me too >> and i wake up in the morning, and somehow they tell me how long it's going to take to get to work and i say how do you know that? and then you throw your phone out the window >> if only. >> if only.

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>> republicans like scott walker and jeb bush are calling to defund planned parenthood, the country's leading provider of preproductive health care and joined by republicans in congress who will not waste a minute in voting to make that happen. if this feels like a full-on assault on women's health. that's because it is. neil: all right, the controversy over planned parenthood notwithstanding, hillary clinton is going on offensive and saying it's offensive, and they batter an agencies or group and our tax dollars to do a lot of good. what women might think of that

reaction. what she's trying to do, ladies and gentlemen, that the republicans are continuing the war on women and katrina, you're saying it might be a tougher sell. >> absolutely, she seemed tone deaf on the assault that is occurring is the little babies butchered by planned parenthood and defunding is one thing. you don't have a right to funding in this country. the funding she's talking about is less than 10% that comes from the federal government. when george soros can cut a check for $100 million once a year, and the issue is resolved. neil: mercedes the strategy here, you've heard about the spots on the tapes and we're going to tell you they're doctored and right wing involved and make you think that this is all about republicans and making much ado about nothing. don't focus on what showed up on those tapes and what you saw in those tapes. since a lot of people don't know a lot of the details of this, could that work for

democrats? >> well, i think that if planned parenthood decided to have an aggressive campaign against what the centers for medical progress, the videos that pe put out. i think the more that the american people start to analyze the videos, the video came out and they pull a twin boy, a 20 week twin boy from the freezer and what they're looking for. the lab technician are looking for organs mostly from older babies, 16 to 22 weeks, i mean, this is where the american people are not at. when you look at 84%-- >> i know your point is well taken. that doesn't get out there. >> that's right. neil: i know what you're saying, but i think in the mainstream, it's not getting exposed. >> no, absolutely not. neil: i've soon the tapes and they're brutal to watch and graphic in nature. >> horrible. neil: katrina, pick in up with me, a lot of people don't know the oddities of this, the potential criminality of this, the generally grotesqueness of this and pro-lifers and

pro-choicers have been offended by this. what do you think. >> that's the reason why a judge is trying to block the release of more videos, but then it's incumbent upon those who care about the issue, the presidential candidates who are pro-life, it's up to them to take the case to the american people. neil: i guarantee you, they'll be on defense on this, because they'll talk about the funding for an organization like that, but how they fell shy of this in the senate and feel that, all right, we're being rebranded again and this is something that stuck with mitt romney, i think unfairly, the party that has a war on women. just in time they want to get women to vote republican. >> neil, here is where they need to go. it's not just about planned parnlhood. 9,000 community health centers are out there who provide comprehensive services like mammograms, like prenatal care for women and that's women's health. i think where the republicans, where they need to go is not just about defining planned parenthood. this is about providing

competition, real competition so that health centers can compete for those funds that are right now being solely channeled to planned parenthood which as we know, the cash cows are the abortion, it's not about women's health. neil: ladies, thank you both, very very much. in the meantime, keeping you abreast on the commodities front. the coal industry ceo is worried about the e about. a rules and regulations about emissions and the rest. the fact of the matter is though, despite today's up tick, in the commodity prices like oil. they have been in a freefall here and you talk about the things that are for burning. they're getting burnt. and phil flynn following both. how bad is this getting, today notwithstanding. >> yes, today notwithstanding, right. over here at the cme, look what they're building, building new pits to trade agricultural commodities. if you've been trading commodities lately, you have just been killed. take a look at oil alone. i mean, we've got bill here.

you said 1.7 trillion dollars has been lost to oil trading in the last year. >> 1.3 trillion in the energy overpaul. we're talking about the value of energy companies, companies that lost half their values. we're talking about, you know, exxonmobil and losses in the stock value and the loss in trading as well. >> neil, it's not just oil, but take a look at five-year charts on multiple commodities, everything from the ag's like we said. corn. >> corn, copper, tin. >> copper, aluminum, all of this stuff. >> really, it's not just that the demand dried up overnight, it's the perception that demand will dry up in the future. >> what is called the futures markets. >> absolutely. and the demand growth we've seen in china over the years is going to start to go away, concern that we'll see a meltdown of the global economy and worried about deflation, that d-word and that's why one of the reasons why--

>> it may not happen. >> it may not happen. the big question is china, how bad is china, are they going to keep the wheels on the jalopy or fall apart? we may get a surprise rebound in commodities. >> it's a blood bath in commodities and it has been and where it goes, we don't know. neil: gentlemen, thank you very, very much. the reason why people worry about commodities, that keeps up, it does tend to portend a market slowdown. not all the time, but a lot of the time as commodities go and connell mcshane likes to remind me in the charts, so go the markets. it can happen again. that's why we had 17 din commodity charts. in case the point wasn't driven home. >> you heard a big coal industry ceo on this very network talking a very few minutes ago about the effect of the president's ruling that could reverse all of this. robert murray on what's going on right now. >> 14 states will have

double-digit electricity cost increases by said 2017. it's an absolute tragedy. neil: all right, but as i mentioned, the argument isn't panning out for the time being because a variety of other factors, maybe a global slowdown. those energy commodity prices have been declining. and his fears with the new e epa's and the like, and the national mining association president hal flynn on whether he agrees with that. what do you think? >> as you just saw, i think all commodities are under a little bit of a stress here. part of it's the economy is not recovering like everybody would hope. but, you know, for coal, we face another-- an extension threat. he said it's going to be damaging to the consumers and

utility bills and who generally get a lot of electricity by coal. we'll see it in our electric bills as maybe this winter in heating bills? . do you agree? >> yes, there are no low cost options in the epa rule. governors have to take a look whether that's the road they want to go down. it incorporates two features never approved by our elected representatives, a cap and trade and carbon tax. and according to our analysis, double digit rate increases in at least 43 states. >> i wonder though, the argument in favor of the administration, they can afford to do this and under the cover of declining prices much like talked about raising the gas tax. >> people would notice the gas tax, but not as much as prices continue to slide. the same with this, that, yes, it will be a jolt, but not as much of a jolt because the prices have already been declining. that's their cover, what do you make of it?

>> the electricity sector, businesses and households have seen probably the biggest spikes of electricity rates in the last couple of years than in the last decade and largely because of an epa rule that the supreme court struck down, but unfortunately the damage had been done. >> you know what's weird about that, they struck down the epa willy nilly and throwing the rules out there without examining the cost. the administration would double down and continue that. >> they are, i mean, what the message here is, is that low kosilek tryst is not favored and they want to replace low cost coal and electricity with more expensive electricity and with a delivery system that's degraded and less able to deliver it. >> all right. hal, thank you very much, i think. we'll watch very, very closely. in the meantime, as we were talking here, deere, the tractor makers are recalling 2000 lawn tractors because the break arm on some can fail because the crash shares are down following this news.

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10th spot. actually the 9th and 10th spots are dicey, but they're getting ready and a dramatic departure from form, they announced it will be a sing along-- it will not be a sing along, but it would be interesting if it were. donald trump will have the pole position as they say because he has the highest poll numbers and his negatives have dropped precipitously. maybe a rich business guy can resonate with the electorate. wilbur ross is a rich guy, running for president. you never know with wilbur, an unpredictable kind of a guy. good to have you here, my friend. what do you make of donald trump, whatever his wealth and controversy, he's embracing the wealth part of it. doesn't care if he's controversial and he's not looking back in the polls. what do you make of that? >> well, i think there's a substantial part of the american public that likes the general tone of what donald is

saying. they've liked the idea of being a successful businessman, especially one who doesn't hide from it. if anything, donald flaunts it rather than hides from it. so, i think there's aty-- an honesty what he says. it remains to be scene whether he has details on and a platform so people can make a truly informed judgment about his candidacy versus others. neil: do you think though that the fact that he embraces his wealth and is not worried about his wealth and that he also talks honestly about what he straegizes about taxes, wants to pay the least in taxes and what a business guy does. a lot of people looks at that, that doesn't surprise me, nothing untoward there. what do you think of that? >> i think that the american public rewards honesty and candor and donald is certainly

very candid in everything that he says, and i think the reason that people don't object to it is that he's not trying to hide from it. he's not trying to hide from tax returns. he's not trying to hide from being wealthy. not really trying to hide from anything and i think that's a message that other wealthy republican candidates might very well heed. neil: i was thinking about that. do you think that mitt romney, had he embraced his wealth more, would have been a different result? >> yeah, i think it would have been a different result with several regards, to give the democrats six weeks, free hits on him because he refused to release his income tax return, was plain silly. he had to know that he was eventually going to have to release it so why not get it out in front, not give them all that time to conjure up images and you notice when he finally did release them, there was no "there" there. neil: quickly, you know the

administration according to some coal industry ceo's, some other energy ceo's, they think that there's a war on traditional energy, fossil fuel and by executive edict and you have to weigh the costs of whatever rules and regulations you're imposing. a lot of these guys are telling me, wilbur, they'll double down on it and doing more of it. what do you think of what the white house is doing? >> actually, no, we sold our coal business quite a few years ago because we became convinced that the obama administration was determined to destroy the industry. and being a private sector person, all we could do was we got a good price, but all we could did is get out of the way. i think it's very sad and a question i would ask the administration, how many jobs is it worth for a theoretical reduction in u.s. share of emissions? we're only 5% of the global share of emissions.

i don't see any other countries moving as radically as the epa wants america to move. why are we not having everybody in lock step so that the other 95% comes down symmetricically to ours. neil: good point, wilbur. i was hearing what he says and sounded like the last time i talked with former texas governor rick perry. prescient? his worries and his concerns going on on this debate week. rick perry.

>> you know, for poll sitters out there who say former texas governor rick perry isn't an influential force in this race just yet, if that's the case, why did hillary clinton actually single him out with only two others in an ad attack? take a look at this. >> governor perry drastically cut funding for breast and

cervical cancer screenings and then signed legislation that forced health centers across the state to close their doors in an attempt to wipe out access to safe and legal abortions altogether. neil: all right, with us now, the former texas governor, 2016 presidential candidate, rick perry, here to respond. governor, good to have you. >> good to be with you. neil: you were with scott walker and jeb bush, candidates up there, unfriendly to win via opposition to planned parenthood. i wanted to give you a chance to respond to that, what do you think? >> we've expanded health care for women in the state of texas in multiple ways. we've passed the most sweeping tort reform that exploded access to health care. if you were a pregnant female along the rio grande, you had to leave to get that, it's no longer the case.

i, after seeing the videos, i think people whether they're pro choice or not, should be offended greatly to what they're seeing out of those videos. as a matter of fact, i called for the nonprofit status of planned parenthood to be pulled. neil: you know, governor, a lot of people i take it on the other side, the democrats, the liberals, that republicans opposition to planned parenthood is tantamount to a war on women, the same attack line they used when going after mitt romney. how do you respond to that? >> it's just not true. it's how they try to deflect off. these videos are not defensible. when you look and see what planned parenthood has been up to for all of these many years, it's one of the reasons that we pulled the funding of planned parenthood in the state of texas and we realized what was going on some years ago. we are far expanding health care for women and as i said, we did that in the state of texas. it can happen in those states, but it's not the federal government's responsibility to be funding that type of

activity at all. neil: would you take this so far as, donald trump had said he thinks this is word shutting down the government over planned parenthood, that the vote that came up short in the senate, he'd push it to a make or break situation and even risk shutting the government down. i think he was saying this on a radio show. what do you make of that? >> well, i think this is what's wrong with washington d.c., that they can't find a way to work together, this idea that you've got to shut government down is really outside the realm of what people outside of washington believe. we didn't shut government down in the state of texas. we worked together to find solutions and i think that's what they need in washington d.c. >> is there something, some of your competitors were hinting at, governor, there are some issues, moral or otherwise that get to the point where if the other side refuses to see what's at stake, it is worth putting the running of government itself at stake.

in other words, it is worth shutting down to bring these points up? you say what? >> i think this is the same kind of false narrative that you had in the iranian negotiation, it's either sign this negotiation or we go to war. there are a lot more ways to get things done than standing up and taking a stand and saying we're going to shut go of the down. find the way to make government work. i think that's what americans are looking for, whether it's dealing with the defunding of planned parenthood or whether it's the funding of our military. neil: are you surprised, governor, and we don't know how these polls will turn out and who will be in which debate on thursday. probably in the scheme of things doesn't mean anything, but i am surprised as a the lo the of your competitors are, that the polls and the negatives are going down. >> i know one thing in 2007, mayor guiliani, a celebrity in

his own right at that particular time, was at the top of the polls and as was fred thompson, another celebrity candidate. i don't know if that has anything to do with it, but we'll see in the long run. we stand for what we care about and put our names and our good judgment on the line relative to our philosophy. so, are you for single payer health care? are you for the states deciding the issues? are you for the people deciding those issues? those are questions that are going to get asked in debate settings and there's not going to be any dodging. neil: you know, governor, again, i don't know which debate you'll be in or how it will sort out, i almost think not to be in the prime time debate might actually be a favor for those in the early debate in that they don't have to compete or risk getting the oxygen sucked out of the room by the donald trump, i don't mean to disparage mr. trump or you or your counterparts, but

it might be a better venue for the early debates, more of a chance to focus on the issues. what do you say? >> regardless of where we are on the debate, the 5:00 or the 9:00 debate, it's going to be with some substantial people and i look forward to laying out and letting people, remind people that i was the governor of the 12th largest economy in the world for 14 years. i've worn the uniform of this country. the veterans out there respect me for that and the people who understand that we need a commander-in-chief who not only respects them highly, but understands what they go through and having been the commander-in-chief for the texas national guard and multiple deployments we have. my economic record, put it up against anybody on the stage. neil: governor, no one doubts you put the 3000 troops on the border to deal with the pourous border. you were asked yesterday and i didn't quite understand your answer, what would you do with the illegals here now.

would you ship them back or grant them amnesty for the millions already here? >> again, there are a lot of smart people that i'll be working with to address that issue, that's not what americans care about right now. they want to see the border secure. they've heard this deflected conversation for 30 years about how do you deal with the people that are here? ronald reagan signed a piece of legislation that gave 4 million amnesty, the border was not secured. neil: i understand. you want to protect the border. >> it will be secure and then have the conversation with the american people-- >> a lot of people want to know, if there are 10, 20 million illegals who are here and they've gotten through and slipped through the cracks, some for a generation or generations, is a president perry going to do anything about shipping them back, deporting them, some of them, all of them? >> president perry will layout at the appropriate time how he'll deal with it not until we get the border secure.

we know how you do it, put the personnel on the border, have the strategic fencing in place, put the aviation assets from tijuana to brownsville, 24/7 looking down and making analysis and sending quick response teams. at that particular point in time the border will be secure and-- >> with all due respect, what you just told me isn't a lot different than what hillary clinton said on keystone, i'll get back to you. >> one person on that stage that knows how to secure that border and it's me, because i've done it. neil: all right, governor, thank you very much. one way or the other, we'll look forward to seeing you thursday. >> thank you, neil. neil: rick perry. >> god bless you. neil: from the fine state of texas. how that sorts out and who does what. that's crucial and will decide who the most effective. in the meantime, back to wall street and twitter, it is bleeding money fast. apple, it's losing ground and fast. what does that mean when two

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neil: you just heard from rick perry who hopes to make an impression regardless of the debate he is in. will some of his arguments fall on deaf ears?

particularly the detail about what he will do with millions of illegals when he becomes president. is that different than hillary clinton's line on keystone, get back to me while i'm president? probably not. charlie gasparino is here. david, first to you on this, rick perry, he might not be in the top 10. maybe it doesn't matter, maybe it does. what are his prospect. >> i think it matters he likely will not be on the main stage of the debate. his prospects are worse because of that fact. neil: really? because things change. >> they change. let's be clear. momentum builds upon momentum. this is truism for presidential campaigns in decades. it helps to be in the first debate. it helps if you're rick perry who had disasterous performance last cycle in the presidential debate, perhaps to have a food performance. expectations will be low. it doesn't bode well for him. neil: it is battle between the upper tier and the lower tier, reminded in history, charlie, you and i got into this, if we

had such tiers in 1976, jimmy carter would not be there. if we had such tiers in 1992, bill clinton wouldn't be there. >> different environment. we're in instantaneous news environment. there are 20, how many are there now? neil: 712. >> there are 20, almost 20 candidates. and you know, listen, donald trump, let's be clear here screwed over rick perry not just with his rhetoric but he sucked a lot of air out of that sort of republican primary voter worried about the border and things of that nature. he really screwed over rick perry. he screwed over a lot of those lower tier candidates. that's where we are right now. the other thing is, just from a -- i understand rick perry's frustration. very good governor. excellent resume'. excellent economist. one of the first to call tanks to the border. by the way his plan to secure the border is much more doable that tens of gazillion dollars donald trump would spend to

secure the border and build a wall. let's be clear here. someone should go out there to talk to contractors ask them how much would it cost to build a wall he is calling for. i guess it would make the stimulus program, 800 billion-dollar stimulus program look small. neil: all these things charlie are raising earlier, they aren't short of money. perry has a access to a lot of oil money. not all of it because jeb bush got some of that. he is in cadre of candidates will not be short of cash. second-tier could use more. he won't be hurts for cash. what does he have to do on debate, whether in premier one or earlier one? who does he have to impress? >> if he is in the earlier one he has to impress reporters, as much as perry hates. neil: guys like you. >> i guess so, guys like me.

neil: it is an uphill fight. >> it is uphill fight but expectations are low. neil: i that is more healthy. that is the one without donald trump. you might have room to stand your ground. >> how much money has donald trump spent? relatively zero. neil: he has the pulled pork lunch. how much is pulled pork? >> i don't know how much the trump private jet costs to fly around the country. neil: like you don't know private jet costs. >> actually i do know. like 50,000 a flight. but anyway, my point -- neil: if you want food. >> if you want food it is a little extra. if you look how much donald had spent, this is as of at least of now, i think going through to this year, money will not be a problem for anybody. it will not be the issue. the issue is what did trump do, he did something only he knows how to do because he is master -- neil: after donald trump rick perry would certainly be in that 10. >> not just that he hurts that

tier, it is top tier candidates. hurting anti-washington energy of rand paul. neil: will he be the nominee? >> no he won't be nominee. first on money, the facts of money in politics you want to be competitive, at a certain point if you look at research, having market saturated having more money doesn't matter. they're all in the game like we just learned. i would add, everything is framed when it comes to trump and his relationship to the republican leaders and republican party. framed by fears of him running as third party candidate. >> here is the thing we, we definitely underestimated, just how fractious the republican voters are now. neil: you did. >> no. i still think donald is in this for his brand. neil: donald would be the nominee. >> donald wants to sill "the apprentice." neil: were wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. >> here is with we've lost. we didn't really recognize it. a lot of pundits didn't recognize, republican voters mr. just much more anti-establishment than democratic voters.

that is -- >> that is because they're out of power. the reason they're out of power. >> i don't know. conservatives are -- >> i think you're right. look at palin, with trump lately, you see that anti-establishment energy, that cultural populism. >> wall street republicans used to dominate. they don't anymore. >> well, that's true. neil: president trump. president trump. when we come back. it is connell mcshane's birthday. >> oh. neil: so he and barack obama same birthday. i will stop there. i'll link that and taylor swift and bad blood after this. >> how old is connell? 15 now?

>> okay i'm connell mack r consuelo mack shane with fox business brief. neil as gracious, choose story about my birthday as one of his favorites, taylor swift. she is on the "vanity fair" cover. take as shot at well-known music company she doesn't we like, spotify is startup with no cash flow. tough talk from taylor swift. she wrote a letter to apple not to pay artists when apple music came out. they listened, apple did, they changed course. spotify basically ignored her. she pulled her music off spotify. they didn't do anything.

apple treated me like i was voice of creative community think actually cared up. startup with no cash flee reacted to criticism like a corporate machine. she can talk tough, taylor. we'll be right back. the promise of the cloud is that every organization

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but i'm thinking acquisition for whom? who are the players here? >> well that's a really, that is the question. this is a very attractive target. it has 300 million users. fantastic brand. has revenue run rate of two billion, growing at 60%. a lot of people who would want it. the stock yesterday hit the lowest value since it went public. it is still a 20 billion-dollar company. so that means the number of potential buyers is really small. neil: dealing with all of that, they're dealing with all of this. i have to wonder if that is a sign, shopping around for ceo. the found iris running things for the time-being. sal baning the ceo job and-- balancing the job. and if it is such a cool company and such a cool job and got to get position we would have people tripping over themselves. am i missing something? >> i think there are probably

people tripping themselves over for the ceo job. just the company needs to find the right person. it is not, the company is at a crossroads. it is sort of reached the audience it is going to get with the current product and has got to decide, does it want to be, you know, clearly wanted to be sort of facebook scale, but it stalled. do you keep trying to grow user base or do you work on monetizing and improving the product for the user base you have? you know, that's, not, there is not a lot of people who are capable of doing that. neil: no, that is an excellent point. i do remember, wasn't that long ago, maybe irony in timing, netflix, a couple years back with a pricing plan supposedly was going to doom it. now netflix is, flirting with all-time highs going higher around higher and higher. does twitter have that potential? in other words does it have the potential to turn things around, capitalize on assets clearly there and they haven't found right people to do so and pull a facebook here?

what do you think? >> well, again, i think with the product they have today i think it's shown that it's not going from 300 million to 600 million anytime soon. it is stuck where it is. the question is, can you either take that 300 million base and monetize it much better, which they probably can do. i mean they're very, for live events and things like that, there is still nothing like twitter out there on the web. or you know, do they try to pull a facebook? i think the lesson from twitter, we see all the social media companies emerge and amass huge audiences like pinterest and snapchat and others. the fact they grow to 100, 200, 500 million, doesn't mean they're the next facebook. so far there is only one facebook, somebody with a scale of 1.2 or 1.4 billion users. neil: has a lot there, great potential for all of the above. thanks very much for joining us.

we very much appreciate that. meantime are any of you fans of "frozen"? you know the story. very big hit. they're making a sequel. it will be out in 2018. i don't want to give it away, but i know what they plan, and it's going to be as painful as the original. i mean that's just me. after this. what disney is doing and what disney could learn from me after this ♪

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josh earnest holding a presser, white house and chuck schumer are in close contact, very close touch with schumer on iran situation. when asked how closely they're consulting with senator schummer. this says everything. josh earnest responded, very close. they're talking, very close to talking. some more. so that's that. we have couple of other developments we're following including disney earnings after the bell and they're expected to be very, very strong. people are going to movies, efforts. we're getting this on same day indication 2018 new "frozen." i hear the song in my head. i will not go there. they are a cash cow and know how to leverage off the brand. something our government could do with that. where do you go with that, what government success? lizzie macdonald and birthday boy connell mcshane.

a few years ago you were in the little jammies watching "lion king" and you're a big anchor store. high expectations for disney going forward. >> when you make acquisitions like they did, three big ones, earlier point you started to do make, gives you a lot of, opportunities to make more acquisition, spend more none any. spending begets more spending. pixar, marvel entertainment, lucas film, that is three for three. then when you have espn this is interesting, everyone assumes it is successful but at some point does espn spend too much. neil: that is what is going on at espn. what do you think? >> "tomorrowland" was a flop and disney cranks ahead. some say bob iger is the unsung hero. he is the steve jobs of this space. disney four times the size of time warner. i love how when we talk the

stock markets, china meltdown or greece or straight of hormuz. then there is disney continuing to roll along. i think -- neil: opening a water park in the straight of hormuz which is very clever. >> clever. "tomorrowland." >> i don't know how to respond to that, frankly. neil: they know how to leverage a brand. they also passed up on "harry potter," doing that, maybe limitations placed on them for crowd control. they pick and choose their battles. >> you can't beat bob iger. he has been incredible. if only government can do as well. what a strong ceo, right? 10 consecutive quarters. neil: there is another entertainment ceo who probably could. go ahead keep digging that -- australia. >> sling off into the sunset. neil: good, good. i always wonder, high expectations built in the quarterly reports almost like

apple if you think about it. >> little different industry. to go back, i was starting to talk about espn a moment ago. everybody assumes it will always be successful. i assume it will. these sports rights fees and best kind of media business to be in for a while has been live sports. people will still watch. you will not dvr it, want to see the game, this and that, the money they spend at some point, how much is too much. baseball was 5 1/2 billion. that was a few years ago. 700 million. last is 300 million. what is the next one after this? neil: that could be a problem. >> it is a good -- >> viewership is down. i don't know why the viewership is down at espn. >> you can grab some games other ways now. people find other ways to view baseball. other ways to view other sports. certainly golf. >> still a great business. live sports is still terrific. just what is the price? neil: thinking what could the government learn from companies like that.

i don't know what the government leverage is? what could it do that disney does. >> connell made a good point what disney invested in, "star wars" franchise, marvel comics, lucas franchise, wow, things you can sell toys. office of management and budget. 77,000 empty federal office buildings sitting there we're paying to maintain. they tend to disinvest money. cost nearly 2 billion a year to mow the lawns on or keep running. >> if you talk about franchises that aren't working under the government's rule, look at obamacare. that bass obama's primary calling card. this was his program. what a disaster. website alone was overbudget. good ceos, manage money, bring in projects at cost or under cost. not here. >> not all spending by definition is bad. it is stupid spending is bad. if you spend your money in a smart way.

neil: criticized from marvel, is it worth 4 billion. of course they said, yeah it was. rupert murdoch was criticized, billions for professional football. worked out okay. >> sports worked out to this point. neil: you don't know the sports thing like i do. >> exactly. neil: what does nfl stand for? there is a chart. guys, thank you very much. we do have a chart, a chart of the day that explains everything we've been discusses over the last two hours. it is our little special gift to connell after this. >> good.

neil: all right. own a day of disappointments and victories, the chart puts this in some perspective for you today. our big winner, undoubtedly has to be what is going on with netflix. big loser, clearly what is going on with chesapeake energy. what does that mean? one stock clearly is going up and the other is, well the other is going down. that's what that chart tells you. we could have shown you another stock going up and another stock

going down but we felt this told more dramatic story what is going up more, what is going down more. that is kind of that. i didn't know it would last so long. it was like a birthday gift to connell but i really have nothing to add there. happy birthday, connell. hope you have many, many more. i guess we'll have more charts tomorrow. okay, trish regan. trish: thank you very much, neil. happy birthday, connell. "the donald" dominates yet again. welcome to "the intelligence report." i'm trish regan. we have new "fox news poll," showing new high for donald trump with 26%. while hillary clinton slumps to a new low. her negatives are growing while trump is rising. despite what donald trump said about john mccain. despite what he said about mexico sending rapists to the country and despite what he said about paying less taxes as he can. donald trump isp at thatting into something. he is anti-establishment. he