valley wants to work with elon musk because they have big ideas. i said i could deliver 55,000 cars by the end of this year but won't happen. stuart: the dow at the 6 month low. neil: these worries, still the middle of the day but 6 month low on the dow, lot of premier names and companies, beating revenues and earnings for the period the justin ended, they're giving some concerns going forward. imagining donald trump in the middle of this preparing for tonight's big debate, you are the sold business man who might have a business solution, how does he avoid the herman cain phenomenon or the ross perot phenomenon, and a business star the fadeout from the political scene, most experts say there's a big difference with donald

trump, a staggering wealth is one of them, his ability to market quite another. tonight with this test would is going on in these markets and this economy provides a perfect storm to keep all lies on the man who single-handedly changed the dynamics of the race. what is at stake for donald trump and how he plays it tonight. what do you think? >> he is the front runner, the votes to lose or the most to gain because people will be focusing on him. the other candidate so him a lot. he'd troubles, triple or quadruple the audience tuning in to this debate. it will probably be the most watched of all but 169 presidential primary debates the started in a serious stretch in 1944. neil: anna gilligan 169. i look at other business owners

with the brass ring around this, herman cain faded for a variety of other reasons, but pizza king got no further, ross perot made a credible third party run as a presidential candidate, could have made a bigger run before he quit the race and then re-entered the race. my point is the jury has ruled already on business titans trying for this job. it is a tough road. how crucial is donald trump's performance tonight to changing that? >> it is important obviously. he has to look presidential rather and nonbusiness tighten. how does he look presidential, the first thing is he has got to be more positive than he has been. can't go willy-nilly attacking the other candidates on the stage for no other reason they will attack back, 30 seconds for a rebuttal, it is bad tactics for the debate. second, trump has got to get

into the details of some issues. he has got to show people he is prepared to govern, not simply pontificate about immigration or common core or some other e shu then interests him on any but today. neil: i like it to the pressure that was on ronald reagan for the one and only debate he had which was carter that year-end praying there is the right wing to that would blow up luxembourg, people saw him with carter and there you go again saying he comported himself pretty well, didn't seem like a lunatic. it is a different point in a different year in a different race but that is the pressure on donald trump. people have heard of the phenomenon, the name shows it cetera but they haven't really taken him seriously as a presidential candidate. that could change if he does what tonight? >> it could change if the project presidential image and takes command of the stage.

the can do it because all eyes will be on him as long as he doesn't start attacking and getting all hot and flustered. one advantage he has got over some of those candidates is because of his career making big decisions in business and doing a lot of television is he relax well to pressure. he can handle pressure. a lot of people can't sell i think that is a plus for him. neil: thank you very much. this is what happens when you succumb to pressure. this is what i am betting will happen tonight like it has happened in korea and other countries, quickly developed into this sort of thing. i am not saying it can't happen here but they could hit each other. it could get very violent. no stranger to south korea but it is happening in ukraine. we had moments they come to fisticuffs. usually i am told donald trump has a very good uppercut, i

don't know about jeb bush's. isis spec an angry rand paul could surprise you and don't get me started on chris christie. scott brown on whether it could be reduced to that. what do you think? >> i certainly hope not. i would put my money on marco rubio or scott walker, younger people mixing it up. neil: there is a temptation, you had many debates, this idea that is how you look to your future constituents, those you want to make your constituents in in your case in massachusetts in the first when you couldn't look too crazy, addressing a liberal state but estate that was angry and getting restless so you had to walk a fine line and present yourself as a guy speaks of a different language than the see you were telling but one who wasn't a grenade throwing at.

you have a couple people on the podium, both debate today who have a reputation for being grenade throwing. what do you tell them to do? >> i think anybody running in the primary, 17 people make a better president and hillary clinton. i am very impressed with folks who put their name and family and the lease on the line with regard to what we need to do when this is over is unite as a party to take on hillary clinton, presumed nominee for the democratic party. what happens tonight, i am thankful donald trump is in the race. he is talking about the shoes i and others talked about for many years, immigration, border security, the debt and deficit, isis, these are things everyone wants to know what are the solutions and he has to make a choice, we look presidential and act presidential come out as entertainer? tonight will be a defining moment. neil: you should immediately

take a position. one thing that could be defining a donald trump is this is the night unless he goes another route where in the eyes of many americans watching they will take him seriously as a presidential candidate, they won't take this as a lark or is trying to make a new apprentice. they will see in this and his performance tonight we'll credible candidate much to his opponents's chagrin who hope he is just a supershort phenomenon and the oxygen that leaves the room will return once he is out. >> it is appropriate for them to be afraid of him. he is the front runner. he is experienced in front of a camera, experienced when it comes to pressure and american people listening. they are curious, testing waters to figure out if he is acting as he is on tv or a is for real so that is what he has to get past, not only attacking our party and

members within our party but turning off a lot of people in the party, when is he going to come up with some key finding of his positions and solutions and letting the american people know how he plans to do this. neil: not as if his opponent spelled out detailed prescriptions for the economy. some talk about broadbased tax cuts but very few have gone into the weeds here. i don't know. >> pgi ones who have, walker has, chris christie has been defined with social security and medicare and. neil: talked about is in broad terms, and to means testing and pushing back the retirement age in future years. >> i have listened with all due respect, been to quite a few chris christie events, listened in detail, his proposals and ideas quite frankly are outside the norm and not very popular. he is attacking the third rail

of politics and doing a good job where people in new hampshire are showing up and listening. neil: is your candidate? >> i am meeting with all the candidates. in new hampshire in particular you have walker, rubio, chris christie, trump, carly fiorina, top five. neil: they are all sucking good deal as they should. always good seeing you, my friend. you know you got these 17 candidates in two debates to get the attention of the american people and down the road launch their caucus and primary road to victory but with so many having so much money likely in the race for such a long time, so many primaries and caucuses we have a fortune meaning it is not a winner-take-all system though it might be in states like florida. we could get to the point with so many guys sticking it out for

quite a few months, a ride back to cleveland, the scene of the debate without a clear nominee. does that mean a broken convention for next year at this time? what do you think? >> that would be a reporter's dream but i think the nightmare to be back here a year from now with our nominee. there are two things that could lead to a brokered convention. one is the unprecedented money through super pacs. each candidate is well financed through outside groups supporting their campaign so there is no incentive to get out of their race, not really running out of money. the other interesting thing you mentioned, the caucuses and primaries, you have 17 candidates running in states like new hampshire, there is a low threshold for winning sell even if you do have a clear winner it might only be i few percentage points and that won't helped to go down the field and

it is proportional in those states, proportional vote so you can see a lot of candidates hanging on as long as they can, they have the money and the votes are still fair. neil: we are talking about this ideas that the math favors someone arriving in cleveland without all the delegates necessary. they won't have clinched the deal. that is a classic definition of a brokered convention unless by the time of the first voted doesn't end up that way, there has been enough rallying support. do you think that is a possibility and with so many candidates in the race and so many primaries in the fortune vote that is almost inevitable? what do you think? >> it is a slim possibility but a possibility nonetheless and one that so many candidates have been chattering about with their strategists since the beginning of this campaign.

people like rand paul claim they have been talking about this delicate game and particularly in the caucus states where you play the delegate demand coming to the convention and try to rally people to your side. these candidates, some of these candidates can do that very effectively and many will play an enormous factor in this. neil: he will have more than enough money for this race please do you think in that case donald trump in the pole position right now has some sting? >> i think. >> katie and first. >> the polls bear that out, he maintained consistent lead so far and as the constituency.

the question is whether those followers find another candidate to get behind but financing is the key thing. he can theoretically afford to stay as long as he wants and we have seen he is not really concerned about whether the party wants tim to or not so i can see him sticking around as long as he once. neil: do you agree? >> he will stick along longer than the candidates would like and who is he hurting the the people he's hurting the ted cruz and scott walker. ted cruz, said richard tea party candidate fed up with washington, outsider. scott walker positioned himself as a washington outsider and probably the angriest candidate. neil: thank you very much. scott walker will be joining us tomorrow to a handicapped where egos but she is right. if you talk about those who are hit hard by donald trump's presence in the race and scott walker, last time we talked to him he would not go back and trade gaps with donald trump,

says the governor's performance in wisconsin has and i'm quoting the donald, a total disaster. details tools and the economy and the height of the media presents. he will respond tonight and to clarify that tomorrow. in the meantime, the market's down 130 points, six month lows, this is one of those issues that could play well to donald trump's frank, the reason markets are worried and he said it is because the whole world is coming up art, something he has echoed again and again. we will see how that's why did. we would get an update on tesla. because look beautiful and cool and a lot of people have them. there's this little problem of forward momentum. it is the. tesla is in trouble.

neil: 6 month lows going on and worries about forward momentum. passing along what those worries are but a big concern led by disney that it is having problems in an economically dependent barometer businesslike cable. may be others are. these guys can overreact. it is not a typical market. it is losing steam fast and largely on concerns whether they will sell enough of those electric cars this year and the following year. joline kent is back with us. she ticked me off the at third day, condescendingly saying as i told you. >> that was months ago. neil: i am like trump on this one. i am telling you this story and she is not listening, she is

getting wired up and -- right now -- >> i was getting ready for your segment. neil: you were just making wedding plans. what is going on with tesla? >> having production issues, head wind out of china, demand is slowing down, they are counting on that market and that the lay in the suv, so many investors want to see the model x. this would be that fancy of the trek suv, very high an end market, delayed several times. connell: this smells like production problems, not necessarily sales problems. people buy these cards but because the suv is delayed they had to divert resources and slowed production of the only car they do produce. neil: a lot more people have that. you see it everywhere.

it is very well made, same with the suv and later on with one for the, quote, common folks, a car they can charge a little less for. i was going to say this smells like a company lowering the bar now, willing to take the hit they know and they will take, to inevitably exceed it or at least meet expectations. neil: jeff bezos, pouring a lot in joy my operation, not going to make money on it right away but building the infrastructure, all these battery centers and quote the places to charge these things and for the law into that and getting the structure down. >> if it was between meeting expectations of good quality product, shoot that quality product. >> lowering the guidance certainly helps in the long run because then investors no

earlier. connell: would take a bigger hit if they put a product out that stunned. so much of what they built is the reputation that this is cool new company with these cars that cost 100 grand that everybody wants to buy. of the rush to market the was not up to what everybody expects for example in the suv, a problem with the back seat, 2 row street with the design. bernard: 1 not focus on the number one concern americans have, the range issue? if you can get to 400 miles, you get up to a 400 miles, you got your home run. >> that is the main purpose of the car right now, it is a second car for luxury odours but they do say with more battery production and creating more efficiencies there, they are able to extend the range of the battery life. neil: i want it done right now

and i won't be waiting for this with one of those cups of coffee. it is warm little cut. 15 people out my house. now they are branching into soda. it is not percolating. okay. a lot more condescending. how condescending could you be. >> look at that smile. you think the top ceo can't beat connell mcshane. connell: a lot more with connell mcshane and this one, off she goes.

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neil: we got rid of jo lin kent. about time. there are two big debate today.

joy episcopal loves watching these, a great comedian and great media player, the best on saturday night live, nobody did frank sinatra better, others tried, even frank sinatra said better than me but joseph. are watch you and seriously your insights, it does help to have a sense of humor. you got that. these candidates are not known for that but you don't want to come off as a clown but what do they need to night as you told me, humor and good wind does help with the american people, that helped jfk and ronald reagan. >> ben carson needs it the most. neil: he is a doctor. >> he is so quiet, he is ben carson. neil: deal like that? if you are president of the united states you got to jump out there. and watch donald be funny.

this is my prediction, i was so excited, it is all happening. neil: you are right. >> watch donald be funny, chris christie will break it down, he will be very precise but i don't sing his platform will work. chris christie has a sense of humor but minute bites. neil: you must describe how to solve world -- no offense how you go with that one. neil: so many in the race. >> a sense of humor would be great and you will see that. i think carson will have a sense of humor and watch the donald breakdown. neil: low expectations for all of them in that regard. who needs it most? >> bush. jeb bush. i don't understand. neil: maybe his strategy is steady in all the fireworks.

>> i don't think it will work. not only joy of humor but whether you like him or not, i wore my donald trump tie today. he goes into this. i don't agree with everything donald says. do i get upset when he says something i don't agree with? yes but the fact is it is like the super bowl tonight. this is as exciting as it has ever been. millennials some of which i'd take. what you talk about with younger women? neil: if they are not have your age. >> my girlfriend was supposed to be here but she has an algebra test this morning. i am so sorry. i have been up since 3:00. neil: this is true in new jersey. you are one of the most recognized names in new jersey, you could run for senate if chris christie can finish his

term. tomorrow you could be elected. >> having fun on the radio, we get serious about it, the folks who call in, and i swear as an independent dino who is going in on the right and the left, if i went down the middle i would read. neil: you can sing them and some of these candidates can be very good and that. scott walker. >> that is a good point but i don't see that happening. i see donald being funny tonight and the guy who needs it is ben carson, you will see mike huckabee has a great sense of humor. that could be good. you never know. neil: speaking of outstanding comics. hillary clinton. they are neck-and-neck with bernie sanders. i don't think that would be a joke off year but the laugh could be on joy biden because maybe joy makes a run to make a memory of those, i am serious.

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>> you know we here at fox for those on the early, and later debate and polls we have to go on. and averaging out as only way we can look at them. but to their point, and kind of to our point it is what it is. we recognize now as a candidate has recognized that it is just not chuck. but it is not that you can go

on, and you have to rely on, but my gees will tell you those snapshots change. when doug wilder was running for the virginia governor, first of all it was precedent breaking first african-american who attempted such a thing, and close to the end of the race he was leading i think by about 20 points and a lead was looking fairly substantial and use you said back then you didn't taking in for granted you did get elected but it wasn't by 20 points. so it showed that a lot of people at that people said they were open to a governor but voted differently when posters went away. having said that governor you know what these polls are saying right now about donald trump he's in the poll position. you know what they're saying that each and every one of them would lose to hillary clinton the election were today. you say popy cock. >> it is a snapshot and i think

much of what trmp's popularity is based on the fact that he's a nonconformist and running in materials of saying look i'm not here for your money, i'm not here toe say what you want me to say but i'm saying what i want to say. i think in your -- speaking of my running, my polls never showed me to be anything other than plus or minus in the percentage era of winning but we always thought we would and that's something that ting that clinton need to be very concerned about because people who qowld say that, once they get into the poll they have to say -- >> said doubts before and after our win, people started saying well they said they were open to an african-american governor. but they must have voted differently. i guess that's what spring up my thoughts now. people say they are open to a billionaire business and then no political experience. but maybe when they get in that

voting booth in a state or caucus they might think differently. what do you think of that? >> i think you're right. but i also think that the real issues that the people want to hear have not been discussed by either candidate. by either of the democratic candidates or the -- republican candidates. because the public is concerned about what they're going to do for them. not with slogan ear rings or bring us back and make a us great again. but what does that mean, and -- >> i don't believe any of them are doing it doug, people agree to say he talks, and walks he goes. people say look at chris christie he's spelling things out he didn't spell things out a lot but look at social security, mean, pushing back retirement age. rand paul to credits come up with a simple tax plan. that calls for much lower rates. but beyond that, i mean, they haven't really dotted a lot of i's or crossed a lot of t's so

they're trumping this aren't they? >> i don't disagree with you at all a. i think what the american people are interested in today -- is what are you going to do to make america what it has pretended to be, what it says it should be, and you can't slow the near saying qept to make america great again. america hasn't great for people all of the times, so what does that mean? does it mean jobs, does it mean employment? does it mean security? does it mean dependence or independence nothing has spelled it out. you have excellent people that are moderating but the time allotted to candidates is so sparse because there's so many -- many you're not going to be able to drill down. couldn't agree with you more. >> one thing that happens is people step back and say pendulum swing in politics as you both reminded maybe after

the government and big initiatives and barack obama, pendulum swings back to maybe a more conservative candidate or one not as liberal. and in american history seems to show we do that in eight, 12-year cycle with the white house but none of the time where it is boring out do you think because of the government overreach i'm careful because i'm talking to a democrat maybe that is the problem here. that that overpreach is what is sticking in the people paying the bill for this government? >> it is an issue. and to the extent that mrs. clinton transcends that and spells out more than has been the case. that is biggest criticism that is hurled at mrs. clinton that common touch. what are you doing for the people, not for women, but for the people -- all of america people. >> because she's repudiating her

husband's policies. now maybe for good practical pragmatic, political, reasons but doesn't that reek of phoniness to you? >> well, it wreaks of concern and people have that concern. but let's say this, neil, i will say this on your show. she will be the nominee notwithstanding. >> not -- >> you will be before she is. in fact i'll be the nominee before she is. >> she's -- >> she will be. she's not -- and i will say this . >> i bet you a double -- quarter pounder next time you're up here in new york, triple -- l >> you've got that bet, and i'll tell you something else. no one else from the democratic side is going to enter. joe biden is not going to answer because he's not -- crazy enough to believe that he can muster the support to overcome her. >> negatives are rising even donald trump's are tumbling now he's down 20 points in the negative ratings. she's up 20 points. >> how can someone like that

win? >> it is going to be a problem for democrats in the general election and i can say to you there's no one else that can touch her. nobody. >> enter the race -- >> i'm going to enter into the run for cover -- [laughter] >> well it is always a pleasure having you. i want to take you on that bet young man. >> but it is not going to be a double burger. we're going to have a double -- >> don't start pup with the restaurants. >> talk to you soon, neil. >> one of the nice classiest acts in pleks i might say. annoyed when i say this, but we would not have a barack obama if not for doug wilder so whether, i guess that depends whether you like barack obama or hate him. he's the reason. all a his fault. all right, and he's also the reason for this. we've got a huge selloff. in the dow, thanks to doug wilder. way to go. wilder -- more after this. we live in a world of mobile technology,

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>> all right, this one really had political tongs wagging what the heck were donald trump and bill clinton talking about a few weeks before trump formerly declared his presidential run and was bill clinton actually urging him to run, and if bill clinton was urging him to run knowing that his wife was going to run for president, what was old bill up to? with the latest on this political soap opera, blake. >> all great questions there, neil. the mote five no one knows between bill clinton and donald trump. here's how the washington post is phrasing this they were ones who reported reported this yest. they said there was a phone call by bill clinton in may, in which he encouraged donald trump to play a larger role within the gop. now, here's the timing of all of this that phone call was made in may. hillary clinton, his wife, had just announced she was a declared candidate in april and

donald trump announcing intentions a few weeks later in june. i asked the trump campaign if -- yesterday they have released one colorful press statement is an they got back to me with two words, no comment. so they didn't want to talk about this at all yesterday leading up to the debate. as far as motives one could put out there possibly this was so clinton trying to get in the middle of all of this maybe money up the field that some would see it, case havoc by encourage donald trump to get in there. but you can take the flip and say because of drumple's rise, the one person uneffected by polls is jeb bush and maybe clintons might notment to see a bush hillary clinton matchup, a lot going on here, certainly interesting and interesting story leading up to this debate. neil. >> no one in the trump camp wanted to talk to you a way of saying we're done with you. >> done, no comment. that was the e-mail. >> blake is on the list.

thank you my friend in cleveland where i understand debates are taking place today. now to charlie gasparino who sees something tells going on here. what is it? >> i've been telling you this for a while at least what's what gop money guys have been telling me for a long time that they believe donald was a plant, a hillary clinton plant in the republican party. >> what does that mean? >> that means that there's some secret alliance between him and hillary to tear down look what he's doing he's leading in polls. >> all he does is she doesn't attack president obama as much as he attacks rick perry and jeb bush and scott walker. >> additional comments to the president in that foreign policy called him worst president ever. >> also called scott walker wog of wog -- one of the worst governors. >> he's a plant. >> i'll tell you why you're wrong because you started with a way to market. wrong, wrong, wrong he's real.

>> there's a quid pro quo when she gets elected from donald. no other explanation why a rich businessman who was once for open borders like in 2012, who was once for higher taxes. tmpletion not doubting the fact he's been all over the map. why would he want -- recommend hillary clinton be indicted? >> why wouldn't he go after the -- messages -- >> attacking hem? she's afraid of him. >> she likes the fact that he's spending his time attacking jeb. >> here's where you're biased -- and technical -- here's what i see going on. >> listen to me. [laughter] >> then you have to answer -- >> exactly. >> zip it here's where it stands. >> dr. evil. >> dr. evil. you cannot fathom how much traction he's getting, how popular he is, now that might

fade. i don't think by the way, it will. and -- looking at that and i think -- and i think that this has sting power. you're failing -- >> what you're failing to see is that three years ago drump was for single payer health care, he was for ohm borders. >> and they'll call him out on it. >> let me say he was really -- >> for higher taxes, and then he has a phone call with bill clinton and guess what? he's the reincarnation of why john burt society. he comes back and then -- >> more right wing than anybody else. >> you are more new york times than "the new york times." >> head around the fact that grass -- >> a liberal? >> i believe he's three minutes ago. he's been all over the map. he's i think he's -- >> genuine his conversion. >> no conversion -- ferlg all over the map. a businessman. if business was appealing this is what --

missing something here. >> consistency for -- >> three minutes ago. >> not showing up. >> you said clinton -- >> he is, he might. >> [inaudible] >> think about it this way, neil. i want you to say president trump -- president trump you know what i'm saying? president hillary clinton. >> okay, by the way, i have a brooklyn bridge to sell you. >> i have a brooklyn bridge for you to jump off. i'm done with you. i'm done with you. [laughter] >> safe to say i'm fired. >> i'm not going to say you're fired. >> you're fired. >> what is going to happen tonight when you -- >> megyn ask him a pain in the rear end question. megyn your fired. >> brett your turn i'm not talking to megyn anymore. not talking to you wallace your father was smarter than you. but megyn here. are you done? >> charlie gasparino last

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>> all right i want you to take a look at a oil price right now they've been sliding away here. gas prices have as well and a lot of these people talk about citizens -- global slowdown, there's another camp that says it is increasingly the markets way of saying the deal with iran goes through with the $2 million barrel of oil that iran can throw on the market go through as well that can happen almost immediately. this is the world of oil as you probably heard already leading to prices going down all of that extra oil amid what seems to be softening demand when it comes to crude prices. so is market saying, as i said this iran deal is a done deal. we have former assistant secretary of state lincoln what

do you think that the deal is done? what do you think? >> well markets tend to get out in front of events so that wouldn't surprise me. if i would urge all of your viewers not to make investments based on something that i might say on your program. [laughter] >> having said that secretary speaking ahead of your coming here just yesterday the president about john f. kennedy and comparing iranian essentially to the soviet union and to iranians then and now. what did you make of that? >> i think it only partially correct analogy when we were face-to-face with soviet nuclear power we did disarm agreements not like the one negotiated with iran but at the same time we have information, campaigns, we have problems of communism where we were studying ways to change the soviets on the inside. we have intdges operations. we were working with a captive nation and relatives to find out what we could about the inside

what was happening on the inside. we were trying to turn agent as and trying to expose agents in the west of which iran has many agents of influence just read german and dutch english language. >> four days to see if the other side is sticking to it, right? >> neil on that, i have to say -- the deal is what it is that president and secretary kerry, obviously, exhausted themselves workedhearted. they want credit for it. i don't know if it is best deal they could have had but a better scenario if it is turned down. it is what it is. you don't get a do over like -- >> i understand what about the argument who needs an alternative deal if this one is so bad? a littletive isn't automatically war. republicans have said who says the only -- you know alternative to this is war? >> president's speech may have overstated the case. i don't fault him for trying to

take the case to the country. but i think he politicized it belittled those criticizing the deal. >> same camp as, you know, iranian -- rays -- >> i think that's troubling. this is in some ways if he's trying to say this is too serious for politics i think she's stepped on his message a little bit by saying that only neil cons are trying to get us to war et cetera. i think there's serious people looking at all of the sort of aspect of this deal. but we shouldn't denigrate the community who wants to control nuclear weapons in a troublesome state like iran. but when president says we've never had protections as a extensive as this deal, there's a reason for that. because iran more than any other country has been a country of proliferation concern pushing envelope on so many friends that we needed to have an answer to all of those activities we don't need that with compliance states. >> well put. ambassador thank you very much. i appreciate you joining us. >> my thank you, neil.

>> states t states wouldn't take epa rule it is laying down. 16 of them. 16 latest count are saying, no. no -- after a this.

>> the elasticity is quite a bit, and they're doing the same thing here to this clean power plan approach by president. listen, the president has kept his promise. in 2008, he said he was going to declare a war on coal, and we've seen plants across the country shut down, we see this effort taking shape in raising utility rates for consumers across the country. this is a very important matter that the states have to respond to because, neil, it is a political power grab over the nation's power grid that we're trying to deal with. neil: you're questioning the legality as well as the epa doing this. states have had to comply in the past, so on what grounds do you fight it? >> well, the statute is very, very clear. the clean air act says if you're regulated under section 112, you can't be regulated under section

111d. neil: that's what i thought, 112 versus 11d. i have no idea -- >> section 111d is what the epa is using to regulate power plants. they don't have that authority, yet they're pressing on, and that's why you see 16 states joining the coalition. neil: the supreme court and its decision earlier this year to say cool it on this stuff unless you factor in the cost, is that going to come into your legal argument? >> when you look at the benefit, the cost benefit analysis, neil, you're exactly right. the epa when they introduce these rules, they're not contemplating the increases costed -- increased costs to consumers across the country. it generates approximately 70% of all our electricity. if you have this war on coal that the e be, a's engaged in and you take about 30 to-35% of that toes fill fuel mix off the grid, it's going to cause rates to skyrocket. so the president is doing all that he can to make sure those

that can least afford it, they're going to be paying the most for their utility costs. neil: attorney general, thank you very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: we have this big debate, and in case you think the president is going to be glued to his tv set tonight, we've heard from josh earnest he may not be among those watching. if that's the case, he'd be the only one in america that wouldn't. martin o'malley trying to take hillary clinton out as the likely democratic nominee. he's, i think what he's saying is there's a cabal here to prevent debates to all but coronate her, right? what did you glean from talking to him? >> exactly, neil. yesterday i spent the afternoon with former maryland governor martin o'malley, and the issue that he's raising is, essentially, the democratic national committee officials are actually limiting the debates to, quote-unquote, pre-ordain the outcome of this process. now, obviously, a lot of progressives are concerned that there be a coronation and not a

contested primary, and senator -- i'm sorry, governor o'malley is really raising that issue and starting to become more outspoken about it. neil: but, kevin, haven't they talked about that they do want to do debates, that it would be in the fall, but they just haven't gotten their act together, or am i being too kind here? >> well, you know, i think governor o'malley's point is the dnc officials are actually trying to dray the outcome of -- delay the outcome of the whole process. if they had it their way, there wouldn't be any debates. he raised this issue directly to debbie wasserman-schultz last week. and i said, governor, do you consider the cliptons to be some of these party insiders, and he said absolutely. and so i think there's growing frustration among to malley campaign as they have been unable to gain traction and a surge really for this summer for bernie sanders, he's trying to present himself as a more viable alternative, but it remains to

be seen whether or not he's going to be able to do that. he thinks debates will help him. neil: we're going to get so many candidates in the race, there are already a good number besides mr. o'malley, bernie sanders, former senator and governor casey that especially joe biden and you can't ignore debates. they're going to come, just later, right? >> yes. and, you know, his point is if you look at the 2008 presidential cycle, on the democratic side, neil, there were actually more debates that had already occurred at this point in the cycle versus where we are today. and he says that, you know, this is, quote-unquote, undemocratic to not have any debates, so he's really hitting this issue hard. again, whether or not he's able to elevate it remains to be seen. neil: you always keep breaking news, young man, finance reporter, good seeing you again. all right, now, again, to this debate tonight among republicans, they do have their act together, they're all laid out right through the fall. a lot of folks paying attention to how they present themselves and how consistent they are in

their argument. but i'm betting you, and i want to raise this with our next guest, if they sound too much like the very hillary clinton they're bashing, are they winning over any players? this comes up with rick perry, a discussion he had with me. take a look. >> president perry will lay out at the appropriate time how he will deal with this, but not until we get the border secured, neil. that's what people care about, and we're going to be focused -- neil: with all due respect, what you just told me is i'll get back to you when -- >> with all due respect, neil, there's only one person on that stage that knows how to secure that border, and it's me. neil: still didn't answer the question. to david drucker now on whether the candidates have to do that. of course, david, he's going to have that opportunity in the first fall debate where he is in the pole position. the middle, you know, the middle position here as the best of the polls in this first debate. i would think he has to answer.

i would think all these candidates have to answer specific questions and mimicking you'll have to wait til i'm president, the hillary clinton line, ain't gonna cut it, what do you think? >> well, i agree and i disagree. i agree with you that you can't pull any of this check with me when i'm president, then i'll let you know what i'm going to do. on the other hand, in this format this early what the candidates really want to do is introbe deuce themselves to voters who haven't is been paying attention outside of iowa, new hampshire and south carolina, and they want to present a vision. and if they can do that tonight, then it'll be successful. and for rick be perry in particular, you know, let's not forget why he tanked out of the 2012 race, debate failure. he's really got to perform well, or it's going tock 2012 all over again, and it'll be curtains for him. neil: you know, david, i actually think he is in a good position not being in the prime time debate, because he is the tallest one in this particular debate, by poll, and he won't have to bother competing with donald trump, so he doesn't have to to risk that guy stealing all

the attention and media, you know, oxygen. which could help him. what do you think? >> it could, but i will tell you in my conversations with all of the second tier campaigns that didn't make it into the main event, they're upset, they're not happy, and they wish they were in prime time. they don't like being at the kiddie table because it takes away an opportunity for them to be seen as a top tier candidate, to be compared to bush, to rubio, to walker, to trump for that matter. neil: so their fearing that this position that they are ancillary candidates? they certainly must know that all of this is fleeting, right? >> they understand that, but there is that fear, there's also the fear that you're going to have fewer viewers because, frankly, at 5 p.m. eastern time, people are still at work or on their way home from work, it just doesn't have the same luster. neil: do you think that that gets to be a sounding, you know, issue for all the candidates, that they don't like being where they are, but they're going to

keep talking about that to the point that they look like whiners, they keep complaining about it? >> i don't think you'll hear them talk much about it. neil: yeah. >> most of the conversations that i had were with operatives, not with candidates. it was usually sort of private. they don't want to broadcast the fact that they're complaining about it, because they understand that. look, this second debate -- or the first debate that you guys are going to broadcast tonight is important for these candidates because they get to practice. and if they can move up in the polls, they can be in the top tier in september -- neil: yeah. sort of like the ncaa, if you advance in a round, you can be a bracket champ and, great. >> correct. that's correct. and if they didn't have anything today, they wouldn't have the practice, the pressure, the questioning, and they'd be at a real disadvantage in september if their poll numbers are high enough for them to qualify. neil: david, thank you very much. good seeing you engen. >> you too, neil. thank you. neil: you heard all the math and crunching they've been doing on this iran deal that the president has the votes to sort

of hold off any sort of an override of a likely veto. to the republican that says, you know, not so fast, in fact, not at all. after this.

♪ ♪ neil: all right. well, you know, yesterday even democrats blanched at the president comparing those to oppose the iran deal as in being line with the mullahs, the ones shouting "death to america" and all that. josh earnest kind of doubling

down with those comments, they still feel that way, and they are still, you know, joining these two critics of this deal, this group of those opposed -- not only republicans, by the way -- with the mullahs in iran who are also opposed. they're not dialing that back one eye owe that. senator david per due, what he makes of that. if in doubt, don't show any doubt. they stand by those comments. >> well, i think the president is going to an unfortunate place there. we're hopeful that this won't be a partisan issue. we're hopeful that people will look at this document in its entirety with all the other comments and information that we've received over the last two days and make it a nonpartisan decision. neil, this is bigger than me, it's bigger than our parties. this is about our national security and, frankly, i think the president is desperate for a deal at any cost, and that's unfortunate. neil: as you know, he is been saying and he echoed again yesterday at american university

much like jfk, who made that venue famous arguing for nuclear disarmament with the then-soviet union -- that you're going always to have doubters, but you've got to do it, and guys like you get in the way of progress and peace. what do you say? >> well, that's what i'd be saying, too, if i had a weak argument. their argument is this is not a great deal, it's the best deal we can negotiate, and we need to try it, and we're in no worse position in the future. it does not achieve what the president himself said he wanted, and that is to preclude iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. i believe this deal does not do. that i've been very measured in my approach to this, but the evidence here in this document shows me that we are in a weaker position in 10 or 15 years at the end of the sunset period to hold iran accountable and preclude them from being a nuclear weapons state. neil: and a number of your democratic colleagues agree. i guess what they're figuring, this is my calculation, senator, you know this far better than i, that the president was speaking

to a very limited audience of democrats who were undecided who might take the cover of a nancy pelosi or a barbara boxer or others like that who have come out for this deal, nelson in florida, and say, well, let's keep you guys in line. we know this is going to be rejected in the house and the senate but not by a veto override-proof margin, so we'll be fine. what do you think of that? >> well, we haven't given up on that. we got to this point because we took a nonpartisan approach in our foreign relations committee and passed it unanimously out to get this 60-day review period for this very reason. and that's to give us time to get information about what's in this deal. now that we've seen this deal and we're getting all the other testimony around the other information that is important here, we're seeing the weaknesses in the deal. i have two major problems with this deal. number one, it doesn't achieve the goal of precluding them from obtaining a nuclear weapon. and they allow, we allow them to enrich, neil. they're only -- can there are 18 countries in the world that have

civil nuclear programs and we don't allow them to enrich. there are only five countries that have civil programs and are allowed to enrich, germany, japan, hold land, brazil, argentina, and yet we're allowing this bad actor, iran, to join the ranks of those upstanding countries. the second thing is the sunset period here, neil. 10-15 years goes by very quickly, and when you look at the position that we'll be in vis-a-vis iran in ten years, they'll be stronger than our ability to reinstate sanctions is lessened over the sanction period -- or the period of the sunset that we have in this deal. neil: i always learn a lot, senator, but the biggest thing i learned here was holland has nuclear capability capabilities. that's amazing. >> well, there are nine countries, neil, that have a bomb. there are five in the npt, there are four that are not in the npt, only nine countries have the bomb, but 18 countries are allowed to enrich -- i'm sorry, they have, well, holland is one of five. there are --

neil: you don't want to mess, what you're saying is you don't want to mess with holland. [laughter] senator, seriously, thank you very, very much. enjoy your insight. i do, i always learn something from the senator. and i always learn something from this lady, she is like a dog with a bone, she doesn't give up. not our gerri willis, and now you've got the strength of a report. >> senate finance committee came out with a report, and let me tell you, i didn't understand the degree to which the irs has grossly mismanaged, even incompetent. you read the pages of this report, delinquent, the irs delinquent in providing effective control, guidance and direction in the processing of applications for those tax-exempt organizations. and that's what we're looking at here. senate finance committee breaking down what was going on in the tax-exempt organizations unit calling it a dysfunctional culture. why? let me give you specific examples. for system people on the staff working four out of five days at home. not in the office. we find that some managers, their direct reports are 2,000

miles away. some managers, in fact, don't even have expertise in the areas that they're supposed to be overseeing. so lots of just day to danish shoes blocking -- day-to-day issues blocking the kinds of things within the private sector, well, you'd never put up with. neil: is this their way of running out the clock? >> oh, yeah. you betcha. and, of course, we've been looking all along for some kind of direct connection between the white house and the irs, did the white house call for this. we haven't found that, but what we found in the republicans comments on this report is this: you remember citizens united, the supreme court decision that allowed companies, corporations to have free speech when it comes to what they want to say about politics, this country, right? well, if you recall, the president hated that, and he castigated -- >> right on the floor of the house in front of the supreme court. >> that's right. and weeks after he made the speech, the state of the union, weeks later the irs decided to start setting aside all those

applications from tea party organizations. the department of justice decides to bring, try to bring criminal charges against these organizations, and the central election committee launches an investigation. so maybe the president didn't need to send out a memo to lois lerner or john koskinen or any of these people. maybe he just needed to talk about it publicly. neil: yeah. where it was understood. gerri willis, thank you very much. she is not letting go of this one, guys. all right, you know, fitbit, apple, what happened to these once-high flyers that are suddenly disappointing? and what does that mean when they are? after this. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ neil: by the way, the democrats have their own in-fighting as well, governor martin o'malley's

upset, and you can add bernie sanders to that group saying he's very disappointed in the dnc debate schedule or lack thereof, so there's a bit of a brush fire growing there about why the democrats aren't doing what the republicans are kicking off, having more debates. so if this food fight gets nastier or there are any more players in it, we'll keep you posted. all right, i don't have to keep you posted with the stock market of late, we have technology down a lot, we have fitbit down, apple down, we have concerns about wearables building here. tech expert jeremy kaplan, he loves these, but i guess you're seeing that people are getting second thoughts what's going on? >> that's exactly right. i think the market has been building a lot of products, and consumers aren't interested in those products. fitbit has this one specific thing they keep targeting, health. all the other smart watches from samsung, lg, a mishmash of things that people are confused by and don't necessarily want. i think fitbit is still making interesting progress.

neil: if that was its clarion call when it went public and it was making doubters, what just hit people now that maybe this whole wearable market isn't what it was because apple seems to be hiding how it's doing? >> i think it's probably an aftereffect of what happened with apple. apple's never really going to tell us how many products they're selling, they rarely do, but there are a lot of reports the watch isn't selling as they might have hoped -- neil: do you understand that it is a disappointment? now, keep in this perspective, for apple a disappointment is less than five million units. >> ten, thirty million, who knows. i think they were hoping for more in sales, but realistically that wasn't so fair considering what's happened with companies like lg and samsung who is making dozens of these things. they had this massive product line. neil: apple quickly spread it to the top of that market, obviously millions of people buying, millions of people still like them, but maybe it's hunting of a ceiling for them. >> neil, i think you are not a

big fan of smart watches -- neil: not so. just some. i mean, i look at a lot of the admit birth ones, it -- fitbit ones, it looks like something thor would wear. >> i think it's really going to transform over the next two years. wearable tech is fantastic. maybe on your wrist -- neil: wait a minute, look at the size of this thing. like a human satellite. >> and you know what? the battery's dead. this is a great watch. here's the problem right there. neil: there is the problem right there. when we come back, you know, it sometimes helps guys in debates to be a bad guy too. not just a funny guy, but a bad guy. who knows better than this guy? debate tips. you going to argue with having him on? talking debate tips? i don't think so. ♪ ♪

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. . . . neil: think late comedian robin williams said this is weird. we're trying to punish russia with sanctions because what they did in ukraine and don't comply international rules and we forked over millions of dollars to hitch rides with russians to get our astronauts into space. weird, right?

insulting to general bob scales. general, it is unusual, to put it mildly, don't you think. >> it absolutely is, neil. we're involved essentially with a propaganda war with vladmir putin. he tries to score points at every chance to show that the american empire is wake -- weakening. his emfire is growing. he wants ukraine and poland to pay attention. what does he get for half a billion dollar sale of these '60s era obsolete rocket engines. american technology doesn't work. they have to go to russia to put a man in space. by the way, those engines that propel crewmen into space, are exactly same ones we put on our icbms. you ought to pay more tension to us. america is in decline. russia is back. half a billion dollars, trust me, neil, it is not worth the investment. neil: what is so weird about it, general? you and i remember we dominated space program, won the space race, got to the moon first.

we're cleaning up whole thing. we all but abandoned it. nasa doesn't know who to blame for this. lately saying this is congress's fault, inability to come up with funds. to your point the bottom line is, advantage vladmir putin. we are hitching rides into the space that we conquered. and it's just weird. >> yeah, but think how, you know the rt and the sputnik and rest of these russian media outlets play this. neil: absolutely. >> putin is very smart. for instance, we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on very sophisticated weapons in our defense budget. what does putin buy? >> he buys soldier equipment. why? because his little green men. gru troops, spetsnaz, they're using those in georgia and ukraine and elsewhere. buys cheap icbms. why? because he can't afford submarines. i could go on and on because putin puts his money where he

can get propaganda value out of it right now and confront us in central europe. we're still in this pie-in-the-sky, 150 million-dollar airplane. in many ways, as far as the propaganda war goes, neil, he's winning. neil: there is an old finance max minimum about beggars can't be choosers. get any ride we can get. and only ride we can afford. it is sad, general. thank you very, very much. robert davi, joining us. he has played every conceivable bad guy known to man. he is only guest i would never ever ask a nasty question, ever. you see what this guy does to people who do? just think. you don't want to be the 11th guy at the debate tonight. all i'm saying. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit?

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>> time for your fox business brief. back here on "cavuto: coast to coast." its another brutal day for media stocks. we're all blaming disney, why not. after yesterday. down 3 1/2%. we talked about on the show yesterday, everybody worried about cord cutters. our parent company, 21st century fox is at two-year low. down 7%. missed revenue. earnings came out and offered full-year guidance below expectations. bad day for 21st century fox. look at viacom. 15% drop. missed on sales. its advertise something down

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neil: all right, this guy just has the look. he can stare you down without

raising his hand but if you do get on robert davi's bad side, let's just say you don't wake up the next day. the movie bad guy is actually a very nice guy and he is just back from sicily where they celebrated you like a hometown hero. >> i felt like the pope. it was amazing. neil: that would be news to the pope. too far away. >> a little pope. no, my father's family came from tore rhett toe near palermo. neil: sure. >> i amazing welcoming. neil: hometown kid made good. >> there was marching band and children. it was so emotional, neil. it was really incredibly -- neil: robert davi getting emotional? >> i do. i sing so i'm romantic. neil: i know. you're very good singer. you're known around the country and around the world as movie tough guy. robert, ahead of the debate, there will be a lot of guys that will stand out to be the

tallest, manest, guy in the bunch. don't mess with me. donald trump has the reputation. what do you think. >> i'm excited about the debate. i've been talking with people, when trump first announced, i don't know who i will back totally announced, when he announced i wrote an article in breitbart what everybody wound up talking about afterwards. at first everyone was skeptical of him. neil: right. >> i said he hit a nerve. didn't have the poetry of reagan, but message of reagan, confidence of reagan, making america great again. that message resonates. i've been in europe many times, latvia, budapest, i try to pick brains about people and what they feel about america. america isn't as respected as it was. they want a strong america. they need a strong america. neil: interesting what you say, people in mainstream media go through this as well, they look at him, all the florida boyians, mistake the messenger, donald trump and all he can

centuriesties and bra vowed dough, but not the message. the message is hits home with people. >> and resonating with youth and women. neil: but is he almost too much of a tough guy, a simplistic guy? does he have to get -- >> we need something -- talking to me that play a lot -- i'm out front. neil: you have a lot of finesse. you're not just hammering people. >> number. neil: killing them. >> you can't do that i'm romancer. i do that on saturday night as eisenhower park. neil: i don't know if trump sings. >> look it, we're tired also, neil, of the ambiguity of politicians. neil: yes. >> we're tired of that. we're tired -- i written again in different articles, immigration, six or seven years, ago, get in front, gop, immigration. they don't know how to send a message. what trump is being able to do is, give, put the message in popular way, as crude or unpoetic as it may seem. there is something resonating by

that message. the gop, they don't resonate as deeply as you might want them to. neil: is he too crude himself and simplistic? people will call him out, mexico has to build a wall, furthermore, mexicans will do it. in your face republicans say, well you're alienating -- >> i remember a guy named ronald reagan, who had idea about building "star wars" defense system and they laughed at him. the iron dome is in israel. neil: this guy is similar to ronald reagan? i do remember the media portraying him as a fool. that he wasn't going anywhere. you're right about that. >> reagan did, much like -- 1994, on eve of 100th anniversary, since world war ii, right. >> ending -- neil:0 years today. >> and, our country, what we've looked at, i was at armory museum in long island, i was so moved what they were saying there. and, the iran deal, for instance, making an iran deal.

we're on eve of the, 770th anniversary of world war ii and we haven't learned lessons. korea, in 1994. same thing. they have the at tom bomb. same dialogue was happening in 1994 in korea. having discussions with -- neil: what do you think of this person using american university, jfk, making statement, a deal and trying to go were nuclear proliferation and try to rein it in is a good thing. >> well -- neil: do you think he is like jfk? >> this president? neil: yeah. >> look, jfk had two years. so you can't really say what was going to happen. jfk -- neil: he did a lot. >> he did a lot of in two years. jfk would not have stopped funding nasa. imagination of american people, that is another big problem. he is not like jfk. neil: are you like trump, he will up their game, right?

>> he will up their game. i don't know until the debates, there are several guys i like and respect. neil: you don't think people that are dull, invoking passion? >> i want somebody that will grab america. look it. the, there is a lot of people from the, from the third world here. they're used to a certain kind of machismo in their leadership. neil: right. >> so they vote a certain way. neil: you're right about that. >> so eventually, even trumps message, they will say he is strong leader. we may not agree 100% but we believe he will lead us in certain way. that needs to be, rest of the gop field have to have that kind of a passion and spontaneity so they don't look like they're making the next political announcement, cautious speaking. neil: there is a lot of caution around. i was thinking what you would be like in the audience candidates were watching, they would be like huma, huma. congratulations on the notoriety. >> i know you don't live in the area.

long island. eisenhower park, 100th anniversary for sinatra. doing that with 30-piece orchestra. you know. neil: you might have a future in this business. keep sticking with it. >> oh, yeah. neil: nice guy, even though play as mean guy, hello of a voice. if you don't agree with him, he will kill you. little more after this. >> vote. ♪

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illinois. a lot of eyeballs. democrats watching to make a drinking game out of it. we were talking to a host in addition to a lot of people we're talking to, looking for hype on donald trump, dan says he is listening to what people have to say. >> i want to see which candidate supports crony capitalism, import, export bank and which candidates doesn't. candidates that believe government is force for good. we need right people. versus candidates who say we need to shrink size and scope of government. >> reporter: even my democratic friends will be watching. surprised me. i was surprised that it would be just republican faithful. a lot will watch more for entertainment value. neil: i like what that guy said, i support crony capitalism, right here. hello.

[laughter] great job. >> reporter: what is wrong with that? neil: take offense. donald trump, yeah you have problem? crony capitalist. thanks very much. we have dave nami and connell and ashley and lizzie macdonald. ashley, what do you think of that? this idea people want to get direct answers? everyone picks on donald trump. none of them have gotten into brass tack. >> they haven't. they will talk about tax reform, regulatory reform, immigration reform. donald trump, i will crush china. create tens of millions of jobs. really? how are you going to do that? neil: don't you worry about the particulars. >> that's right. that's right. i'm not going to start a fight but i will end it. neil: that is what people wait for too. >> yeah. >> who will take a swipe at trump first? is it going to be huckabee? for a lot of these nice, we kind of know what their economic policies are. going to have to put a pin in ben carson. we don't know what his economic policies are.

a pin in his ideas. that's what i meant. you know who get as f from the club for growth on economic growth policies is donald trump. he gets an f. he was for single-payer. he was for tax hikes and in 2004 he said, you know democrats, the economy does better under democrats. neil: who is this report crowd? >> this is club for growth. neil: these are the same guys who want to sign the pledge, got to sign the pledge. >> that is grover norquist's group. no, different group. neil: understood. >> jeb bush and scott walker get a b. neil: does anyone get a a? >> ted cruz, marco rubio, rand paul. they're across the board tax cuts and regulatory reforms. so yeah, that is the report crowd there for you. >> liz is hitting on what the economic argument for conservatives will be against trump. whether they make any of that stick with one minute response times, 30 second rebuttals. i am being able to kind of deflect. he may get away with that for one debate.

i assume at some point what you're saying, if there isdown fall for donald trump will -- neil: it will be all that. because you have to -- >> answer at some point. neil: yeah. can you tell us how you solve world hunger in a minute? there are plim stations. you just don't have time to get into many particulars. but what do you want to hear? >> well, i am markets first and economy first guy and if to me -- neil: so you're one of those crony capitalists? >> no, i'm not. i'm a main street entrepreneurial capitalist. neil: whatever works. whatever works. >> i don't hear people talking aggressively about that think about donald trump, even though he might have positions, what i hear from him, public safety and economy kind of argument which i don't hear from other people. the only guy if you think about in this field, economy, economy, economy first guy, rick perry. will not be there tonight on main stage. neil: he hassenter stage in the first debate.

>> he was sounding more progressive, rick perry in his speech. neil: good point. we come out of the debates, someone remember as line or zinger. so relegates them to almost shallow vapid exercises. but someone gains from these things and who do you think it will be? >> those that get their message across clearly, shortest amount of time possible. to your point they will not get really long to talk about their policies. those who are clear and make a good point. doesn't want to be involved in a zinger attack with each other and certainly not donald trump. neil: one thing we know about donald trump, that if you zinc him, he will come back with 10 sledge hammers. >> right. but somebody could have to your point, neat line ready to come back at him tonight. then that becomes the story. everybody is speculating, articles all over the place about it today, eventual, downfall of donald trump and what leads to that.

neil: they're still waiting. >> it is still so early tomorrow we could be talking about something chris christie said that cut into donald trump or one of the other guys. so the anti-trump comment is what everybody is looking for, for who else rises. >> and his reaction. neil: that is exactly right. his reaction. you know, dave, we had market selling off today. many argue that could play into donald trump's strength because he knows business, knows markets, knows how to do the deal, that kind of thing, and the time we lives in, correction, volatile period speaks to someone who knows this world. what do you think of that? >> you know, he is almost kind of and other in american business. i mean he is a, he is kind of like the oprah of the right. i mean he is a conglomerate of media and licensing and activity but i, i don't think that the business community, at least that i'm part of looks at him and says, that is the guy who understands my world and plays my game.

neil: you're right about that. that business community gone back at him many times. >> can it be so improvizational at times? can he say i will cut to the chase to get things done. what are you going to get done and how? neil: is that the venue to do that? >> probably not. more survive -- someone said should you get involved in trump rough-and-tumble, like wrestling the dirty pig, you will get dirty and stink and pull away. neil: but my pig would be the best pig. that is horrible. i was only joking. came up with the joke, connell. >> hope he stays in the race a little longer. by election day cavuto will have him down.

neil: man, oh, man. you can cut the tension with a knife. first debate at 5:00 p.m. on this fine network after the 9:00 p.m. big debate with the candidates. you will have lou dobbs getting reaction to all of that, weighing what is at stake.

don't forget, we have scott walker with it all on the line. he is still in the upper tier. how will he handle donald trump when he said he called his stupid wardship of wisconsin a total disshaster. trish reagan. trish: now apfires the investigation into hillary clinton's email server is a criminal probe. all fbi probes are criminal, the agency tells us. this one is no different. so as republicans prep for the debate tonight, we'll get to that in a minute, hillary clinton is prepping a criminal defense. this is important everyone because you recall there was some initial confusion when reports of the fbi probe first broke. hillary clinton initially tried to hint that the media had it wrong without saying that the media had it wrong. watch this. >> maybe the heat is getting to everybody. we all have a responsibility to get this right.