boom, boom, boom! you got it. neil: there you go. stuart: let's get right to you, have you scott walker on the show. neil: i do, and jeb bush later on. it was not your traditional father's debate and not your traditional mother's debate. very different, very fast, volatile, very interesting that there were so many in this race. for the establishment players in the race, the scott walkers and the jeb bushes, they wonder if they were playing it too safe, too cautiously. later on fox news i'm going to be talking to jeb bush about that. first to scott walker and the issue the establishment time the candidates gains. in walker's case, 6 minutes. about half the time donald trump enjoyed. scott walker telling me he still thinks he made the most of it, take a look. >> plenty more debates out there, in the end what people want is not people who give good punchlines or go on the attack, my focus in terms of

attacks was on hillary clinton, i hope i showed people i'm ready to take her on, not just in words but deeds. i'm ready to fight and win, i'm showing we can get results in a blue state and have not compromised the principles, i think marks a great contrast with hillary clinton in the general election. neil: were you playing it safe? among the reviews today, the "washington post," the wisconsin governor wasn't bad, he was just overly scripted. just not great. cnn, he stayed on message, delivering concise responses but didn't break out from the rest of the field. the "new york times," walker ran by not losing, that might be a good thing, he passed the test. what they are all saying you is are on guard not to destroy the poll numbers that you in the upper tier but you were playing it too safe. what do you think? >> well, again, there's plenty more opportunities going forward to distinguish ourselves.

as you saw early on, all the attention was on donald trump and whether or not he would run as a third-party candidate. we should spend the time talking about who the real opponent is, it is not fellow republicans, hillary clinton. a hillary clinton presidency would be a disaster, not just for republicans but america, that's why i pointed out the contrast. whether it was the economy, the economy is growing in washington. i believe it's helping get government out of the way to put more people to work all across the great country. whether it's dealing with foreign policy where the obama-clinton doctrine is an absolute failure. everywhere in the world hillary clinton touched is more soft today than before she and the president took office. example after example, there is such a sharp contrast, instead of picking fights with fellow republicans, i'm going to spend time talking about what we're for and why it's such a sharp contrast with hillary clinton. neil: when donald trump said he would stick with the party if

he were not the nominee. could you support a candidate like that if he were your nominee? >> well, in the end, i want someone focused on beating hillary clinton. that's certainly where i'm at. in the end i'll make a good case to donald trump last night or the debate, that our foe is not just for republicans but as americans is the better contrast, is the people you saw on the stage last night to the people that weren't on the stage. people like hillary clinton. neil: i know and maybe i wasn't clear, if you could answer that question, if it were donald trump as the nominee and he's already said if he's not in he is not so sure he could support the nominee, could you support a guy like that as the nominee? >> i said repeatedly, i will support the republican that the voters of the country pick. neil: even if it's donald trump?

>> i can support anyone on the stage, and anybody on the stage earlier in the night. i think they are a much better pick not just for the republican party but for our country than someone like hillary clinton. neil: planned parenthood, you were defunding wisconsin funding for planned parenthood years ago. but that's already earned you the rap from the left and particularly hillary clinton who said that you left women nowhere to go. what do you think of that? >> that's just a ridiculous claim. we defunded planned parenthood. you know what we did? transferred the money to noncontroversial sources for women's health. they want the money to do all sorts of things we've seen on the horrific videotapes. we were way ahead of the curve on that before the videotapes but transferred the money to other places that could provide women's health without the controversy. we're ahead of the curve on that. neil: john kasich says he's with the curve when it comes to gay marriage, he said

personally he's old school, not quite comfortable with it, but if his daughters came out gay, quoting from him, i would love them and support them. if one of your sons came out gay, would you feel the same way? >> well, i think john's right about that. it's all about love. i pointed out, though, from a legal standpoint, love, as i mentioned being a factor on the personal basis, no matter what family member you're talking about. in the end, i believe marriage is between one man and one woman. i voted for it in the legislature, i voted for it in the state's constitution, i said under the constitution that should be left to the states to decide. but going forward, i think the thing the president should particularly be focused on is protecting the religious freedoms of everyday americans and it's something i think it's inherent in the united states constitution. as president, my administration will defend those rights each and every day. neil: you would defend what

good governor kasich is saying it is the law of the land, the supreme court ruled on this and you would accept that as president? >> what i said is i think i support a constitution amendment that would allow the decision to be made by the states. in the meantime, the most important thing the president should be focused on is making sure religious freedoms are upheld, something the founders of the country were inherent on. many came from other places because of religious persecution, it's not freedom of religion, it's freedom from religion. neil: maybe to the leftist serious threat, they start going through your financial records and your own personal finances and deals and much like marco rubio, you have a lot of college debt, half a million dollars in student loan debt for two boys. you have visa bills, sears

credit card bills, lot of debt, a net worth of $72,000. and the argument also comes up if he's having trouble handling his own finances, how the heck can he handle the nation's? what do you say to that? >> you mentioned i've got two kids in college. i've been helping them pay bills like a lot of working families out there. precisely why as governor i'm proud to say i froze tuition first time ever four years in a row for all of our university of wisconsin campuses. i work that much harder to cut property taxes and income taxes on working families in my state, i know how hard it is to make ends meet for families out there. as president i would fight hard and win, wouldn't just fight, i would win for everyday working families in this country, and americans need a president who can relate and focus on

fighting and winning for them. neil: do you think it's possible, we have a lot of candidates, we might not have a nominee by the time we get back to cleveland for the convention. what do you think of that? >> well, i think it is going to be a drawn-out process, but i think that's a good thing. as you saw on the stage last night, there's a lot of great candidates, good friends of mine up there, we have a lot to talk about. as long as the focus is what we have to offer and not beating each other up, that's the approach i'm going to take. america is sick and tired of politicians who are -- we're going to lay out a very clear path as we did the day we announced talking about reform, talking about growth, talking about safety and i think between now and the time that republicans gather back here in cleveland, we're going to have a great nominee. i hope to be the nominee and that puts us in a great position to take on hillary clinton, someone incredibly out of touch. she could be a deceiver in

chief in light of the e-mails, i don't think we can trust her to be the commander in chief. i'd love to be the person to make that contrast. neil: scott walker in the pole position along with donald trump. as i said jeb bush, how does he feel about the fact the press the day after is just ripping him and saying he missed a golden opportunity. jeb bush will be my special guest on "your world" on fox news channel a few hours from now. we widdled it down on the revised and revamped fantastic four sees a reboot. we have a fantastic four of the candidates as well. who do you think the fantastic four are? i'll give you a hint on the woman, carly fiorina. that's all i'm going to tell you.

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. neil: all right, we figure this is a debut of a new superhero movie, fantastic four, i wasn't a fan of the original set. they revamped the whole thing. whatever. we think there is a fantastic four that emerged from the debates. we think it consists of marco rubio, carly fiorina, not to disparaganyone, i think that's an angle that bret baier might miss, i don't know why that didn't come up in the debate, that is chris and megyn and bret's call. are they the big beneficiaries? are they the fantastic four for the moment? all four had a good night. fiorina could get bumped up she

had a good first debate. rubio, he's only 44 years old, maybe he's too young, too inexperienced. he showed gravitas, he's a likable guy. >> the youngest guy of the adults in the room. >> yes. and outshone his florida colleague jeb bush. neil: i'll be talking to jeb bush, people say he played it too safe. they know their poll position, they just want to protect or sit on a lead. >> i think it's good for jeb, and he knows he's got the resources, but this was a big debate, and you just don't become president of the united states by being cautious. you have to go for it. and at some point he's going to have to go for it. i think he had rust last night. long way to go. neil: very long way to go, you and i are chatting, you're the money donors, the handlers and donors, do you start getting worried?

gee, maybe i should spread my bets here? >> everyone is watching that debate. the ratings are through the roof. and i think that everyone is going to get antsy if their candidate didn't do well. that can change, it's a roller coaster kind of race. some donors are nervous today are. >> they nervous about the association with donald trump or waiting for polls to confirm he's losing support? because all these other times he has withstood the attacks on john mccain, withstood the attack on mexican illegals, all of these attacks? >> he's just confounding the establishment. he's got a solid base of 20%. as people drop out. he stays at 20 and others surpass him. but he's been tefloned on. no doubt about it. he has been able to survive all the attacks and i think he showed that he was on stage and he can debate with them. can he make the whole way, can he get the nomination? that's going to be tough. >> you know all of them are taking it as a given with the

exception of ben carson that hillary clinton would be their likely opponent. she would get the democratic nomination. is that such a given still? >> you never know especially with her ratings and joe biden considering a run. if he gets a big bump, he will get in. he's got to get the big bump. he's 40 points behind her. neil: what if she gets a big bump down, negatives are driving up and bernie sanders is evening here? >> he's seen it. the establishment is getting nervous about hillary clinton, still her poll numbers are pretty good. head-to-head has slipped a little bit. biden, if people rally behind him, he could get in. sanders, i think, is a thorn in hillary's side, hard to see him winning the nomination. neil: which is why someone looks to joe biden as a backup. bob, thank you very, very much. whether donald trump would entertain a third party run,

just when you think was put to bed last night. it was not. take a look. >> raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight. mr. trump. neil: all right, you saw it there, he's not so sure he won't bolt this party. especially if he doesn't get the nomination. third party run would almost certainly doom republicans. do you still feel that way? >> absolutely. i think a third party run would be a total disaster, not just for the republican party but for the country, because you would have a democrat elected president with a plurality. not with a majority. neil: do you think that it was surprising to me that despite all of that, right from the get-go, he's got a lot of applause, a lot of support, a lot of people liked him in a conservative venue, a very loyal republican venue, they didn't crucify him over that which leads me to believe he's

still got more support than is appreciated. what do you think? >> neil, it would make no bones about it, donald trump has a constituency, a strong constituency within the republican party. there's a poll that just came out today he has had in first place with 34% of the vote. i think almost tripling his nearest competitor. you know, so -- >> you don't think there will be residual fallout from the debate. the mainstream media likes to pounce on the remark. but the fallout will be his numbers will fall. >> i'm not so sure about that. look, he could have been a little more artful in what he said in his response. he should have said something to the effect that i intend to be the republican nominee, and i intend to support whomever the republican nominee is, but there is a caveat, the caveat is that i've got to respect the person that would be president

of the united states, and, yes, establishment class, you better treat me fairly. neil: you know, i was thinking i raised it with scott walker and other candidates as well. if trump were the nominee, would they rally behind him? and say to a man and woman, yes, yes, but always pause it, we don't see that happening, and given what trump said of them, i cannot see them kumbayaing around that event and it would be a fractured party, it would not? >> let me tell you america is the most telling debate was a train ride i took home to my hotel and went through inner city cleveland, and i was talking to a single black mother, and i asked her what she thought about the process, she said i like donald trump because he says what he means, and let me tell you something, neil. if donald trump gets the republican nomination and obviously unlikely to do so, a revolution will have taken place within this country, and there will be a whole bunch of realignment in the political

process. neil: talk about him not getting the nomination and bolting, what if he does get the nomination, the fear is republicans bolt and don't stay home. what do you think? >> no, the republicans know the stakes are too high. we cannot afford four more years of the direction in the last six. neil: niger, thank you very much. niger innis. the iranian deal, not such a sure deal. remember when the president was saying it is a republican kabal joined at the hip from the mullahs, what happens if it's a number of democrats who aren't keen on it. chuck schumer, surely you don't mean to imply that chuck schumer is preaching from the mullah's playbook? mort zuckerman on that, after this.

. neil: all right, as you

probably have heard in the middle of the debate, chuck schumer managed to put in a little aside much of the attention on cleveland, when it comes to the iran deal, the new york senator who likely will be the next democratic leader of the senate doesn't like the deal the way it stands, you can add into the likes of new york congressman engel and nita lowey and steve israel who are not for the deal. that comes at a time when the president said early this week that it's republicans who are almost in lockstep with the mullahs and a caucus that just is out of step with reality. mort zuckerman on that. mort, now he's got some others who are in with that republican caucus, i guess. that is the president. are they crazy too? are they working in concert with the mullahs too? >> no, they obviously are not crazy. you have somebody like chuck schumer who's been an authority on foreign policy for god knows how many years and is the chairman of the foreign policy,

foreign affairs committee. you have martin dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs who takes a similar position and says that we simply cannot allow this to go on because of the threat that iran would, in a sense be to all of our allies. i could go on, there are a lot of journalists who have come out very seriously. neil: maybe they figure these guys said no, and schumer is a pretty true politician, and he could figure, look, i'm going to come out against this because i know the numbers are there, and not enough to override a presidential veto, so i come out a winner either way. >> i don't think that the chairman of the foreign affairs committee comes out against who's a democrat, comes out against a democratic president lightly. he's not that way. neil: but you can have, you know, fish and eat it too, right? >> you asked yes, you can. he's a very serious man and not playing politics. he has no great ambitions.

neil: chuck schumer doesn't play politics? >> no, he's not ambitious politically, okay? i've worked with him for many, many years on many subjects and he's very serious about this stuff. neil: so you think this is martin dempsey. >> the chairman of the joint chiefs. neil: you just read my mind. but the question is are there enough votes, there are two overrided vetoes. >> i will say the public statements of people like martin dempsey and chuck schumer will have an impact, and if you saw the public opinion polls, a majority of the american population is against this program, and i think it is one of the most -- i have to say reckless policies that this country has followed in a long time. neil: you didn't get successful in the real estate in the markets without being good at real estate in the markets. i've been looking at oil, a lot of it is slip sliding away, a

lot of it builds on the notion iran pumps two million barrels a day in a soft, squishy market, and it's a done deal. >> well, it may be a done deal, i don't think it's a done deal, not when you have the levels of opposition that are coming out, and these are people who are really respected and gives political cover to a lot of people who might want to otherwise oppose it. never mind the fact that a majority of the american public in the public opinion polls are against it. this is not serious matter that is just being treated lightly. it's a serious matter treated seriously. neil: if this deal were to go through, though, i'm sure you watched the debate or heard a thing or two about it. pretty much the candidates to a man and one woman carly fiorina said they would work to undo it. that would mean 18 months from now assuming they're the republican president, they would have to slap on new sanctions, that's what scott walker was saying, ted cruz was

saying, isn't that a lot easier said than done and add to the confusion? >> sure it is easier said than done, this after all was primarily a republican gathering, okay? >> i heard that. >> and taking a different position than the democratic president of the country. neil: they're more in line with your thinking. >> absolutely. neil: donald trump's thinking, mort zuckerman is on donald trump's side on this particular issue. >> you know, donald trump is a very intriguing public figure, shall we say. neil: you think he hurt himself last night? >> i don't think he helped himself, i don't think he hurt himself. he's not taken in a serious way, he's more of a personality than he is a matter of taking -- neil: but he leads in the polls, negatives have come collapsing down, that might be short-lived. >> might be. neil: what do you make of that? >> he's just an extraordinary personality who has managed to in a sense create a certain

kind of persona that is welcome at this stage of the game, which is that people think he is speaking seriously and sincerely. neil: he's like a howard beal angry kind of guy. >> there's a lot of dissatisfaction in the country the way the country is being governed. neil: right, but it was your newspaper that called him a madman on the cover and says donald picks fights left and right. you are right about that, he did pick on the left and the right and was throwing grenades to the left and right. >> yeah, listen, he's a man of considerable talent, he's not necessarily the person i would like to have as the leader of this country, but certainly somebody who's shown a good deal of talent in the real estate business, and as you know, i respect that kind of talent. >> i think you're holding back. >> this is a fit of self-control. neil: mort zuckerman, thank you very, very much.

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. >> look, i'm an old-fashioned person here, and i happen to believe in traditional marriage, but i've also said the court has ruled. >> how would you explain your child. >> the court has ruled and i said we'll accept it, and guess what? i just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay. because somebody doesn't think the way i do doesn't mean i can't care about them or love them. neil: did you hear the applause in a fairly conservative state and conservative venue, he was the hometown guy and the hero, he hit a chord on the issue republicans might want to get their act together on how they publicly respond, and ohio governor kasich doubling down on twitter -- all right, to katherine

mangu-ward, ron myers says not so fast. ron, your concern is what? >> my concern is what you're talking about winning and losing, winning and losing with whom in the electorate? among iowa voters, they want constitutional amendments, want to keep fighting. if you want to win the general election, kasich's approach is the right one. we have move on from gay marriage and the issues that matter. whether it's the student loan crisis, young people not being employed or figuring out how we're going to be ready for the tech economy and what marco rubio talked about. we have to find a way to move on. kasich's approach will work in the general election but it's going to make iowans very unhappy. neil: it might. regardless of views on the subject, admitting i'm the old-fashioned guy, and it's between a man and a woman when it comes to marriage, the court has ruled. i'm going to move on. clearly saying i have friends who are gay, i went to a gay wedding, i'm not letting this

be the be all and end all issue, i'm moving on. what do you make of that? >> interesting what he's decided to do and other republicans are going to do this as well is paint opposition to gay marriage as the charming personal foible where four years ago it was like this is the hill we're going to die on type of a position, that's absolutely due to demographics. i think essentially what he said is i'm going to be a decent guy. he said i'm going to be nice to the people who invite me to their weddings, i'm going to love my children no matter what happens and not going to kick up a big fuss against something that is now established law. this shouldn't be a huge breakthrough, but on that stage and certainly among republicans generally, it is. neil: all right, guys, thank you very much. still early, as you heard from scott walker and others talk on the issue, they're a little flexible but they're not going quite as far as governor kasich. i want to bring your attention

to a sell-off going on, the dow jones industrial average, this would be seventh straight down day. the concern is we had employment report today that was strong enough to probably keep the federal reserve on track for the september rate hike that they seem to be fearing for no reason, but they are fearing it. we're keeping an eye on that. in the meantime, back to politics and that jobs report and whether, whether because of that jobs report, hillary clinton should be happy or worried?

. neil: all right, news alert, scott walker has bills, bills to pay, his credit cards, he has debt and student loans for two kids in school. i asked him whether that, well, hurts him? take a look. >> the argument comes up if he's having trouble handling his own finances, how the heck can he handle the nation's, what do you say to that? >> well, for me, i think it allows me to relate to many everyday americans.

two kids in college. i've been helping them pay their bills, like a lot of working families out there. neil: is this theme familiar? the same argument against marco rubio, dagen mcdowell on that. >> he is true of every man in this race, that makes him much more relatable. neil: they did this with debt and obligations and all of that. >> i think all of this it should be open, it should be available for us to discuss and debate whether they should manage their finances better. one issue with scott walker's finances is some of the credit card debt he has, 10,000 to $15,000 that has an interest rate north of 27%. neil: which prompted those remarks, if you are handling your debt this way, how are you going to get the nation under control? >> he didn't try to get the

money from rich friends. he's not accepting graft. chris christie, on the other hand, has been accused of accepting favors and flying on private jets owned by the likes of jerry jones and all sorts of people. we've got all politicians to choose from. the one criticism of marco rubio he struggled to manage finances properly and got the $800,000 book deal and got the fishing boat. neil: i raised this with marco rubio the same thing, you bemoan our nation's debt and how we tackle it, you can't do the same at home, you've heard the drill. >> right. i will say this, these guys are young. neil: yeah. >> and it kind of -- it seems like running for president snuck up on them a little bit, and maybe if they were well into their 50s, they would have had finances straightened out. neil: that's true, 44 and 45. >> absolutely normal. but you know, we have a rich

billionaire and we have a governor who's got credit card debt with 27% interest rate on it. so you take your pick, you have a lot of options. neil: the elder's choice, thank you, thank you very much. at least he wasn't investing it in the market. connell mcshane on that today and what the heck is going on. >> it's a rough day certainly for stocks, as you mentioned a moment ago what happened with the jobs report is affecting other markets as well. oil is one that we're going to highlight right now and the continued declines we're seeing in the oil price. the fed now has covered to raise interest rates is what you hear people saying, a stronger dollar and weaker oil price. for the weak oil is down almost 5, almost 6%, the worst week since march and, of course that affects energy names in the stock market, the bp's, the conoco, chevrons in the world today. the flipside, good news is if you're going out to, you know, down the shore out to the hamptons, whatever people do in

the summer, you can fill up the car for a little less, a lot less than a year ago. 3.48 down to $2.62. neil: a moot point for our charlie gasparino who simply helicopters to the hamptons. [ laughter ] good to see you. >> how did you know that. neil: the ceo. let me talk a little bit about hillary clinton and all the fallout on all of this with her, what do you think? >> listen, here's the thing, if the republican primaries or whatever you want to call wasn't such a show. if donald trump wasn't detracting and attacking people like rick perry who have done a good job in texas and making jeb bush, try to make jeb bush look like a moron, we'd be talking about what a horrendous campaign hillary clinton has right now. you know, she's all over the place economically, she's trying to -- listen, i don't

think she's a socialist, i think she's a crony capitalist by heart. neil: oh, good for her. i'm sure she is let attentive than that. there is a lot of bemoaning about lack of don'ts. >> she controls the democratic party. i think something like dramatic has to happen with e-mails or something or a scandal to take her out. she's going to be the nominee, and she's a horrendous nominee, you wouldn't know that because her plant, donald trump, is wreaking havoc in the republican party right now. >> the only thing you attach that to is the infamous phone call between donald trump and -- >> i love donald, good guy, i'm connecting dots. i know what he thinks, he knows who can he influence more in the white house? jeb? no way. kasich? no way. if the clintons get in there they're going to take yosemite national park and make it

another one of his trump golf courses. that's what's going on happen here. neil: bill and hillary clinton will take our national parks and open them up to golf course developers? >> donald trump, listen, it's hyperbole. i'm trying to make a point with hyperbole. neil: based on lies. >> the clintons never repay their donors, is that what you're saying? you. >> say he is genuinely running for the top job? >> no, he's either insane because you don't do what he did last night if you are running for the top. >> you think it's going to hurt him? >> yeah, i think he hurts himself. neil: megyn kelly has a shot at getting an interview with him? >> you never know with donald. you never know. he's not afraid of anybody, and she's obviously not afraid. neil: she's not afraid either. >> i think that hurt him, but i knew he was going to do that. i think i might have predicted like the first time a female reporter says something that's off, a little tough, he was going to do something

incredibly sexist and rude. that's within his -- neil: was the fact he challenged the remark she was making or the quote she was referring to had said i can politically incorrect but our problems are far more severe. do you think that registered with that? clearly registered with some in the audience. >> listen, i think this continues a brand building exercise for him. it was fascinating, center stage, up there with republican royalty like jeb bush and he knows he's not going to win. neil: he is running for president is it your view -- >> two reasons -- brand building, and i think he's doing this for his good friends the clintons. neil: you sound crazy, here's what i think, and i love you to death. he's the brother i never wanted. here's what happens, i think you came up here and said what outlandish crap can i say that makes no sense? >> you will be saying as you say on many other things that i'm right. just wait. just wait.

just wait when you plant. neil: think that through, a guy with a lot on his mind says i'm going to run for president of the united states and help hillary clinton. >> yes, because they're going to repay me when they get in and they'll don't repay anybody. you don't believe me. neil: i saw you in the grassy knoll, i did, i did. >> you know, this isn't that hard to believe. we're talking donald trump, we're not talking -- neil: you make it sound like "mission impossible." >> donald trump we're dealing with here. neil: i'm aware of that. >> he admitted he could be bought. neil: dude? [ laughter ]. >> didn't he say didn't he say i paid them off? neil: look at the time. more right after this. ♪

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we love, love, love lizzie mcdonald, i call her lizzie, she got a perfect store on her s.a.t.s, i sat behind her and copied all her answers. here's the deal, if a fact gets by lizzie which is wrong, not a fact, she catches it. she was listening to the debate last night, and she's throwing thing, that's not true! we asked lizzie, lizzie calm down. give me a couple of examples, and this was first and foremost. donald trump talking about giving all the guys up there on that stage some money. take a look. >> most of the people on this stage i've given to, just so you understand, a lot of money. >> not me. >> not me. [ laughter ] >> lizzie, true? >> partially true, by the way, sometimes i annoy myself just

neil: is that true? >> he has given money to bush, walker, pataki, huckabee and cruz but not to rubio, ben carson and john kasich. i love the guys who raise their hand, not me! very funny. neil: rand paul said it is some charity. >> rand paul immediately off the bat said donald trump is used to buying politicians and donald trump said wait a second, i've given money to you. he's given money to rand paul's charity. dr. paul is an eye surgeon. neil: for the campaigns, if it's an ancillary charity, is that the same thing? >> not the same thing, it's a good point. you know donald trump should have said i've given money to his charity. neil: bottom line, he was trying to get the point they are beholden to me. >> donald trump was open about saying how he buys access. i thought that was really revealing. neil: be on offense with that. the second one, this is a big deal is chris christie and

talking about his new jersey record, take a listen. >> we came in, we balanced an $11 billion deficit on a $29 billion budget by cutting over 800 programs in the state budget. we brought the budget into balance with no tax increases. >> it's false. largely right. they did have job growth, the state did have job growth, not as much as chris christie said, but without tax hikes. he did cut the earned income tax credit. neil: when you cut that credit, you raise on lower income people. >> exactly right. is he mostly false, yes, he is. you know, he did bring the budget into balance but the state workers say well, at our expense, including the teachers would be pushing back on that. neil: do you think this is all about the impact you make and people like you or geniuses fine tune their arguments but it's all about the impact.

who do you think had the biggest impact? >> rubio had a solid impact, carly fiorina, everybody is talking about that. bush, you want to have somebody you trust to take the 3:00 in the morning phone call. foreign policy, word on the street, is it is not doing that great. overall were the debates revealing? yes, do they talk about economic policy a lot? not much. do they talk about president obama or hillary clinton a lot? no. mostly focused on what is donald trump going to say in the debate. neil: you are right about that. they didn't get into obama thatch. >> not at all. neil: walker with obama-clinton, obama-clinton, you are right. thanks. all right. for those of you who missed the debate, you get a chance tomorrow, it's going to be on 8:00 p.m. tomorrow, so it's your chance to see what the whole world was making a big to do about. and later on, i'll be talking to governor jeb bush, a lot of

people saying he missed a golden opportunity, playing it too safe. i'll be talking with the former florida governor whether he is too cautious with the issues he brought up with scott walker. we have a lot more, stick around.

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4% growth. you're saying, why settle at 4%? >> i was shocked. i thought there would be a bidding war, i thought someone else would say -- neil: yeah. make it 10! >> exactly. no one else did, which is even scarier. even last night, to your point, milk toast in my mind, playing it safe. i think it's the wrong strategy. mitt romney did the same thing after he won the first debate against president obama. but having said that, articulate that to what that mean toss to the average person, i don't think they get that. 2.3% growth in the last quarter, 4%, but why not 5%? this is what people don't get. this is still the greatest economy in the world by far. what we have is an engine, the platform that we have is absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing. you know, if i had to use a sports analogy, it's like take a lebron from cleveland and then take him to miami and win a couple of championships, but the core is there, the ability is

there. we're head and shoulders above everyone. speak about playing it safe, the entire country's playing it safe. some for particular reasons, business because they don't like what's going on in d.c., other people, i think average people out there have lost faith, and again, someone on that stage or the one at the 5:00 stage could turn that around. neil: but the question that came up with bush as it did with a couple of other candidates, all right, if we want to boost our growth, how are you going to do it? they never got to the how are you going to do it stage? >> right. a couple hit taxes because, obviously, taxes are key. highest corporate taxes in the world. you talk about opening cuba up, cuba will have lower corporate taxes than america. open that up. also open up america. open up america. the government owns too much. they own all the assets. they own all the natural resources. let us pump that gas, let us pump that crude, let us export it. why are we not exporting it? there have been a few times in the last few years where north dakota has let natural gas burn

off because it's been cheaper to do that. it's nuts to do that. this is a miracle that we have. lower the taxes, lower the regulations, but allow us to also take advantage of our greatness and the gifts that we have which happen to be a lot of these natural resources. start to spur that, bring -- neil: you know better than anyone that the rap is that ice not fair. the -- that's not fair. it tilts it more to the wealthy. i know you're going to have the reverend jesse jackson on your show tonight. that, by the way s a pay-per-view event. [laughter] how do you counter that argument with someone like him who says the system is tilted and rigged against minorities, against the poor, even the middle class? >> the first thing i want to talk to the reverend about tonight is the model. we talk about disruptive business models all the time, uber, air b airbnb, i think thel rights model is broken. we should be able to say, hey, give me the shot because i do have the kills. the to us-- why do you have minm

wage skills? what can you do to get yourself better positioned? ultimately, this is not about american v. american, this is about america v. the world. we are entering a knowledge economy for the next 100 years, and those with the brains are going to make all the cash. and that's the new model they have to work on. give me a shot because i have the skills. don't -- the old to model was give me a shot even though i don't have the skills. neil: i think that that's what this race comes down to, do you want more government, more washington helping hands or not? and they're two distinct paths. >> one is saying disburse all the cash, the other is saying we can be more prosperous. neil: don't forget to watch tonight, 6 p.m., bring the popcorn. i suggest getting it popped up before. for one thing, it makes noise as he's talking, and you can't do that.

how do the respect i candidates feel -- respective candidates feel on how their candidates did? mike, are you a big backer despite, you know, your late husband's affiliation with the bush family for ted cruz. ted cruz tried to punch through last night. many argue he didn't do that. are you worried? >> i'm not worried in the least. in fact, the last time i was on your program you said that ted cruz might be losing steam, and then he surprised you by announcing that he had raised $51 million. last night while he didn't grab headlines, he had several good moments, especially when he said we will not defeat terrorism until we have a commander in chief who can utter the words "radical islamic terrorist." i think he was a cruise missile then. neil: all right. very good at raising money, as you and i have discussed, but it hasn't been resonating in the polls. you think it will? >> he resonated with the focus

group. neil: that's a start. big backer of donald trump, first of all, robert, it seems like an oxymoron that donald trump even needs to raise money, but you argue that he is resonating, forget whether you want to raise money for him of just look at how he has withstood all the bashing and controversy and still rises in the polls. do you think he damaged himself in any way last night? are you worried? >> not at all. and you're absolutely right, donald trump -- we won't be giving donald trump any money, because he doesn't need any money. neil: so what do you do for him? >> citizens for restoring usa is all about making sure that hillary clinton doesn't get to the white house or any other democrat for that matter. and mika -- neil: what if he runs as a third party candidate, robert, and all of a sudden hands the white house to a democratic candidate? >> you and i've discussed this before, that's not going to happen.

neil: he didn't rule it out last night, robert. >> i know. but let me tell you something, look, neil, how many times have i been right on your show? 100%. karl rove has been wrong 100%, and the rest of the pundits have been wrong 100% of the time about donald trump. of he is going to be the next nominee, and he's going to be the next president of the united states. neil: really? so you don't think he damaged himself last night with women, you don't think he damaged himself last night with -- >> no. neil: okay. he has had prior controversy, you're right about that. >> here -- listen, here's who the winners were, all those people on stage you were -- were the winners because they all did a remarkable job, and i think ted cruz did a good job. but the big loser, i think, was fox news, because i think they hurt themselves. i think they lost a little credibility. that debate seemingly was more about the panelists asking the questions, trying to, oh, let's see if we can catch donald

trump -- neil: well, say what you will, i mean, i'm privy to the ratings. i would slightly disagree with you on that, but we're going to get into that. >> of course you would. neil: i understand. sam, you are a big rick perry backer, so he was in the first debate. didn't make that tenth cut that went to john kasich. so instead he was in a field that included carly fiorina, and what happened? carly fiorina emerges from that debate, the big talked-about presence, and not your guy. are you troubled by that? >> no, not at all. iowa's about ground game, and i'm in iowa, that's what we're doing. we're on a steady trajectory here -- neil: what does that mean? he's not surging in the polls, but as you remind me and i think it's very true, all of you reminded me, polls are fleeting, it's very early. what do you see gaining traction with perry, particularly in iowa? >> i think that he's moved up to everybody's second choice. i think he's very popular, and

the more time he spends on the ground here in iowa, the better that's going to get. and that's what it really comes down to. there were a lot of surprises in 2012, if you remember, neil -- neil: you're right. >> we had a lot of surprises in the end and a rapid rise the last three weeks of somebody who was at 4% three weeks before the poll or the caucus, and i think our guy's doing great. in fact, we're ahead of that. neil: yeah. if you go back in history, guys, we look at the same polls that jimmy carter would never have been president, bill clinton would never have been president -- >> ronald reagan. neil: yeah, ronald reagan. and don't even get me started on abraham lincoln. my goodness. [laughter] guys, thank you all very, very much. i appreciate it. all right, well, who won on the key issue, the key issue of illegal immigration? after this. ♪ ♪ can a business have a mind?

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door. he finally admitted it, i've been saying it for the past month or two, that he opened the door and now everybody's talking about illegal immigration. neil, he's saying one more thing everybody forgets, he's talking about the drug traffic that keeps coming across the border into our country. so i'm glad he is mentioning the drug traffic, because every other politician, all they're talking about is illegal immigration and the border. so it's more important than just illegal immigration. which is very important also. neil: marco rubio seized on that to say, well, a wall is all fine and dandy, but fact of the matter is there are tunnels, and these guys have figured out tunnels. what do you make of that? >> well, i kind of agree with him because i spent, what, over 30 years as a top guy in mexico and texas. i can go on and on. i was sheriff fighting this battle, and i said over and over again all the politicians say we must enforce the border, but that's a copout so they don't

have to do anything in the interior. they say enforce the border first, and then we will look into the illegal immigration problem in our country. and that's a copout. you have to hit it in mexico at the border and in the united states. neil: but you know, sheriff, what bothers me the most, and i had this exchange with rick perry -- wonderful governor, don't get me wrong -- but i said you want to address the border, put more troops at the border, fine, but what are you going to do about the millions here? he said i'll tell you when i'm president. that wasn't that different can than hillary clinton on the keystone pipeline, i'll tell you when i'm president. and i thought that was a copout. >> are you talking about perry? neil: yes, i am. >> i supported him last time around, if you remember -- neil: not this time around? >> you have to hit it again from all aspects. neil: but we're not. >> of course we're not. neil: but we're not dealing with the 10, maybe 20 million who are here. now, i know the border's

important, we want to stop the sieve, but we're not addressing a problem that might already be here. >> you're right. you know, i told you before on this show we turned over 5,000 from my jail system to i.c.e., and 38% have come back many, many times. in fact, last month 40% have come back. so you do know that we are not deporting these illegal aliens, and if we are, they keep coming back over and over again. neil: why is that, sheriff? see that's what i don't understand, sheriff. i know we had these two court rulings that effectively quashed the administration's aim to delay deportations i think upwards of five million illegals. so i thought, well, obviously things have gotten back to where they were, we're resuming deportation, but i understand from guys like you who are right there, that is not happening. so what is? >> no, it's not happening. so once again i have to commend donald trump for opening that door. now maybe something will be

done. one of these days in the next election. it's always a political situation. and also i've been trying to go to mexico city officially, i've been stonewalled by the mexican government, by the u.s. government. i have a lot to offer. we have mutual interests. so they are keeping me out of mexico, maybe donald trump and i can take a little trip to mexico city. at least i'll have a free airline ticket. [laughter] neil: he has a very big plane. >> that's what we've got to do. neil: by the way, sounds like trump is your candidate. >> no, i haven't endorsed anybody yet, but i do respect what he's doing, opening that door. and he's rather outspoken, so let's see what all the other candidates do about it. neil: all right. sheriff, it's always good seeing you. thank you very much. >> thank you. neil: joe arpaio. we talk about this iran deal, now how much have things changed since you heard that chuck schumer has said he's against that deal? there are a number of prominent democrats against that deal. what if i told you nothing has changed, nothing at all?

the president will still get his way, this deal will still go through, and iran will get billions and billions of dollars. after this. of. ♪ ♪

neil: man, oh, man, this one doesn't d up to me. i need connell mcshane to figure it out. twitter, what is going on? all these people last night on the debate, and it's still sinking. >> even with donald trump's overnight ranting going after everybody this side of pope francis, and we still have a decline in twitter stock. it's down 25.5% since they reported earnings, and that was a week and a half ago. by the way, you mentioned the debate, the stats are ridiculous when you look at what the tweeting was under the hashtag, neil, gopdebate which everybody was using between 5:00 and when the debate ended after is 11,

there were 1.8 million tweets which, from what they tell me, a lot of tweets. neil: you know what's weird, how a company can't leverage off that. any big event and the hashtag and all, on twitter's part the inability to take advantage of it. >> the model's different than facebook, people are more likely to click on the advertising associated with facebook, twitter's never figured that part of it out. and then there are people who have twitter accounts who don't use them on a regular basis, and that was kind of concerning. sometimes i feel like, you know, we're on twitter, i don't think you tweet. i know the show has an account, but sometimes i feel like it's just us journalists talking to each other, and who are these other people that are even listening to us? and maybe that's half the problem. neil: now you've made me feel very sad. >> do you tweet? neil: yeah, i've been tweeting forever. >> i notice about the account it says i talk to somebody, and you're literally talking to them

at the time, so it would be impossible for you to have tweeted that yourself. neil: i'm tweeting what we're doing right now. >> yeah, telepathically? i think i exposed something. neil: yeah, that's just great. terrific. [laughter] thank you, connell. i told you that was a bad idea. [laughter] all right, now -- man, oh, man, did you see a common theme when talking about iran last night? take a look at this. >> i oppose the iranian deal and will vote against it. >> to me, you terminate the deal on day one. >> to have a congress that stands up and says not only no but, hell no. >> this is a bad deal. obama broke every rule of negotiation. >> president obama is trust but vilify. he trusts our enemies and vilifies everyone who disagrees with him. neil: bottom line, none of those candidates on either of the debate stages were big fans of this iran deal. so i got to thinking, and i raised this with scott walker and some of the others as i have jeb bush, then in your first day as president if it came to that, would you just reverse this?

would you stop this? what would you do? and that might be easier said than done. former cia operative mike baker. mike, i don't know. if it is a deal and it's passed, can you just undo it that quickly? >> no, is the short answer to that. i love that question. you hear it every election cycle. on day one, what are you going to do? you know what? i win the presidency, i'm going to check out the wet bar, i'm going to use the bowling alley -- [laughter] maybe bounce on the beds in the various bedrooms. that's what i'm doing on day one. i don't buy this idea that i'm going to get everything done on day one. but here's the problem, yes, there's a great deal of displeasure with the current deal as it stands. i would like to think that congress will, in fact, you know, knock it down. and, of course, the president will veto that. but at least he has to stand on -- neil: yeah, but if this goes through, mike, and we've got a bit of a delay, i apologize, but

if this goes through as it's expected, unless they can override a veto which they don't appear to have the votes for, then it's 18 months that we're into this deal, and presumably one of the republicans comes in they're so fortunate, and they're undoing it? i don't know. >> right. no, you've got a variety of problems. again, in part because once the horse has left the barn, right? once those sanctions are pulled back and assets are released and our allies, the germans, the, you know, everybody basically out there who's -- the russians, they're all keen to do business in iran. once that started, the idea somehow we're going to snap back the sanctions and go back to that regime, look, the problem we've got is in creating an alternative to what is a very bad deal. now, the president wants us to believe that it's either this deal or some form of war which is an incredibly inane argument if you tear into it and spend some time thinking about that. so what are our options?

well, our option would be, yes, if you want to tear up the deal, fine. but we've got to then figure out a way, right, to unilaterally impose sufficient sanctions to have an impact. and i don't think that's, i don't think that's necessarily possible. we've been fighting for years now to try to insure that the chinese and the russians, for example, abide to some degree by the sanctions that have existed. so if you don't, if you're not able to do that, then i'd like to hear candidates talk about what their alternatives are. i don't believe that a war is inevitable. i think here's what we should do, fine, tear up the agreement. i agree with that if the congress actually, you know, lets this thing go forward and the president signs it and we've got a deal and in 18 months, as you've said, fine. tear it up, but then what we're going to have to do is realize that as an option, we have very few options. we've got to go back down there and say here's an agreement with. here's a negotiating tactic. neil: all right. >> we're going to actually ask for more. the idea that the president says, you know, this is the best

deal we could get is ridiculous. i'd love to play poker with the president and john kerry and walk away with a bag full of cash. yes, tear up the deal, but we have to sit down and figure out a way to get them to come back to the table, and that's going to be difficult. neil: and not what a president mike baker would be doing, at least on his first day in the office. he'd be jumping up and down on the beds. >> absolutely, who wouldn't? neil: michael, thank you very much. despite all of that, why bitter boomers are getting even more bitter, and it has to do with last night. really? what is it with these guys? after this. ♪ ♪

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>> we raced retirement age two years and face it in over 25 years. we would raise it one month a year for 25 years when we're all living longer and living better lives. >> the fair tax transforms the process which we fund social security and medicare because the money paid at consumption is paid by everybody, including illegals, prostitutes, pimps, drug dealers, all the people that are freeloading off the system now. neil: that is where huckabee kind of lost me but i do want be leave social security alone, not a problem. governor christie saying it's a problem. we have to address it right now. our boomers are bitter over this whole charade. we have charlie gasparino. steve lien, lizzie macdonald, charlie brady.

bitter all. why are you bitter? >> i'm bitter because i don't see any imagination, neil. basically, i was looking at some of the data, professionals in this country, outlive manuel laborers by four years. that is a big deal. so you should have two retirement ages to start out. now to make the argument even more compelling, professionals do better when they're working. they live longer, less stress on medicare whereas manuel laborers do worse when they're working, more stress on medicare. change the retirement ages differential. >> how do we screw the millenials out of their retirement? >> that is all you care about. neil: who is right. >> they should pay for it all. neil: you have governor christie saying we have a problem, we have to address it. governor huckabee saying, we don't have a problem, you don't need to address it. who is right? >> we definitely have a problem because we millenials who are not working as much. some of it is not their fault -- well it is all their fault to be honest.

they voted for obama and not working. neil: or high as a kite. >> they are high as a kite. >> they lack motivation -- >> you know it's their fault but you know we do have a problem. we don't have a productive generation in the millenials. neil: but the math doesn't with the going way it is going. >> no, it doesn't. huckabee's idea would not work. fair tax. prostitutes and pimps pay sales taxes. neil: on what? >> when they go in the store. >> condoms. ky jelly. >> getting back to it, the fair tax, he would crush u.s. economic growth which you need to pay for things like social security. would crush it with a fair tax. it would get layered on top -- neil: whatever it will do will raise a lot of money but, that's what he said. >> he is saying it would be layered on top of the existing income tax. would be overtaxed. neil: this notion, it is entitlement has to be addressed,

who is realistic on that? >> i don't think any of them are realistic. neil, when it was set up in the new deal, somewhere between the years 1935 and i think first check went out in 1940, life expectancy was around 62 years. so this was set up to compensate for people who lived longer than average. you were expected to die at your job! >> fdr had no idea there would be millenials, right? >> he had no idea. neil: you know what i'm hearing about all of you? you're selfish, i, me and my. you want your social security. >> we paid the most into the system. we've been paying into it. neil: you're the first one to say no government. >> forgiveness on student loans. have you read that? >> i know. that's crazy. >> they want for giveness on their student loans. >> that doesn't make any sense. neil: you want your social security. >> i want what i paid in. neil: you hear governor christie

you pay into a lot of things you don't get. >> welfare. neil: he uses analogy you pay for insurance on your home. >> right. neil: and you don't get it back if the house doesn't burn down. >> that is a whole different thing. i pay into social security thinking i'm getting it back. the contract i get it back. >> that's right. >> charlie brady and i, we both think they're both wrong. neil: really? >> yeah. neil: let charlie speak for himself. >> your analogy is way off. neil: i'm using his. >> your analogy is way off. the contract is to get paid. contract on insurance policy, maybe you get paid, maybe you don't. it is quote-unquote insurance. >> people are entitled to payroll taxes that went in. there is no contract between us and social security. >> the supreme court said that? neil: whether you accept or blame the government for creating this mess certainly for the folks paying into social security for some years the math is unsustainable. the math is unsustainable. you have to see how he is right on that. >> it is incredibly mismanaged system.

huckabee wants to solve putting more money into it from taxes which will hurt the economy. christie's approach -- news flash here. the supreme. >> supreme court says social security is not my money. when did they say that? >> years ago. >> they said, you don't have to get paid? >> we don't have a right to that money. neil: you're open to cutting everything else but your own social security? >> no, i'm not. >> we are so much more productive than millenials. >> i'm a professional guy, wait a second, that is debatable. everyone at this table is professional. they will do better working until they carried out. they will be healthier, less strain on medicare and a much better, much, much better. >> did you think trump was a hillary plant last night? >> i think trump is a hillary plant. i do. seriously. i think interesting thing if he does run as third party, he was

one that wants universal health care! neil: charlie wants universal health care. >> trump was advocating -- >> trump is a liberal. he is a liberal. >> not working in canada by the way despite what trump said last night. it isn't. neil: no, it is not working in britain because they have a dental plan. >> hillary and trump have same views on health care. neil: steve what happened? >> builter boomer. >> i don't like -- neil: you're bitter. >> just to prove charlie brady is boomer. listen to this. neil: leave charlie alone. >> to prove he is boomer. he had to use the john. he had to use it right before on air. >> thanks, charlie. neil: this segment brought to you by metamucil. what is unheralded hero last night? what if i told you it was ben carson, dr. ben carson? i will explain after this. ♪

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>> you know i was asked by an npr reporter once, why don't i talk about race that often? i said because i'm a neurosurgeon. she thoughts that with a strange response. i said you see when i take someone to the operating room i'm actually operating on the thing that makes them who they are. the skin doesn't make them who they are. the hair doesn't make them who they are. it is time for us to move beyond that. neil: that was brilliant. i think he was sleeper hit last night but who am i? i do know someone who knows these things a lot more deeply than i do. dr. alita king on ben carson. he got lost in the shuffle. i thought he had very powerful couple of zingers. >> i was waiting when is dr. carson going to speak. i liked piece on the brain. he was first one to remove half a brain but somebody beat him to washington did it. brilliant. i believe my uncle would agree

with him and admire what he said. when you're doing something serious to heal someone, you don't think about the skin color. you think about the life of that person. he was just brilliant. neil: as an african-american what the npr reporter was saying to him, why don't you make the m.o. of the fact and talk more about racial issues because who you are, a prominent african-american doctor, world-renown? i think what he said, reporter was kind of disappointed. what do you think? >> dr. carson is not only living the american dream, but as a mentor to many, he gives a perfect example. he and his family, i know his wife, wonderful family. he is giving a wonderful example of as a man and human being and a man much african-american descent. he is saying to anyone who is watching. this is america you can make it. he is not a race baiter. he is not a hater. that is what is so encouraging about their remarks.

everyone did well. they were statesman. i wish there had been a lady up there, carly, of course, but it was wonderful and refreshing time. you will not see dr. carson saying hateful things. he will add and contribute to the solutions for america. neil: but i've been watching what some on the left have been saying during the debate and dr. carson in particular, he was their token uncle tom. >> token, oh, my goodness, no. for him to make all the accomplishments as a medical doctor and a person who cares about humanity -- neil: historic surge this guy has done. first to sever conjoined twins. >> yeah. neil: it is a big deal. >> it is. neil: what do you think the message should be with republicans on minorities? he touched on it. john kasich of ohio said compassion, love. talked about medicaid expansion conservatives think the government disrupted. you save money in the long run spending a little money in the short run. what do you think of it.

>> i agree with the governor as well. you need compassion. not entitlement. you need to equip people, prepare people and let people move forward. i believe any of them could happen in that matter. this is a time you have 17 people and you don't have to hold your nose to vote for one of them. i think that is amazing, remarkable. neil: you feel the same way about donald trump. >> i like donald trump because he is saying things. he is talking about the elephant in the room. if we didn't have donald trump it would just be political correctness and politics as usual. so he has a role. neil: so you're taking the side of donald trump and not megyn kelly? you're trashing megyn kelly. >> i love nelly, megyn kelly. i didn't do that. i didn't do that. megyn, beautiful and brilliant. i think they both held their own with that. megyn is a lady. she didn't take the bait. neil: no, she did not. nor did you. thank you very much, alveda

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maybe a donald trump or carly fiorina, jeff, what do you think? >> this is democratic town. i think people who did best is people like john kasich who may be more closer to moderate position. i think best unscientific poll just to ask people did you watch and did you see any of it. >> i saw about ten minutes of it. and i, i know that would not like to see donald trump go far. maybe for a little bit of entertainment value, that's about it. >> would you vote for any of those guys? >> i could vote for rubio possibly. we'll see how he does when he makes through hardcore questions. that usually weeds out all republicans. >> gotcha. let you get back to the steak. kind of a democratic town. some way as republican will have to get some democratic votes. did you watch? >> i did not. republicans any of them for you? >> no. lesser of 17 evils for me. >> okay. that is another way to go.

anybody else -- may i ask you man, did you watch the debate last night by any chance? >> no, i did not. >> are you interested at all in -- >> i was very interested in it, but i did miss it. i was out late. >> do you think you could vote for any republicans? >> i will vote for someone [laughter]. not yet. don't know yet. >> sorry to interrupt your lunch there. as i said, neil, sometimes in our world we think everybody is watching that debate. in other worlds, maybe not so much. neil: just curious, jeff, was there a producer with you today? [laughter] i'm only, i'm only kidding, buddy. you're the best. >> we to fly by the seat of our pants here. neil: oh, isn't he good? jeff, thank you very, very much. jeff flock. like going to a rocket launch. did you see the rocket launch? not really. had some laundry to do.

have ashley webster and dagen mcdowell. business what do they need? do they need to get people like that on board you know? >> you mean any of the candidates? neil: any human being, like any human being. >> neil, did you have a producer working with you on that? neil: not now. not now. biggs leaders don't get the attention -- business leaders. unless they're controversial or flamboyant. >> i don't think business leaders necessarily mix with the washington world. business leaders are used to board of directors they can kick around and underlings desperately trying to please them. a little different in washington. it is a hard transition. neil: think about ones that try to go for the brass ring, presidency. think of ross perot. herman cain, pizza titan. maybe one in new york, michael bloomberg. >> he was model. i had to cover him running at company working with a little bit odd.

get your disclaimers ready. to the surprise of many people did because of his personality, just being used to be in charge of everything, having his way people were surprised how effective he was as mayor. >> he would never ever, on any planet earth get elected to presidency. >> mike bloomberg? no, not with the positions holed. >> no. his demeanor. his demeanor in new york city was do what i say, shut up and move on. neil: it is a big adjustment. >> lee lee eye cocoa, going back to when connell was in diapers. neil: they were pushing him to run for president. >> tip o'neill, you would be crazy. die in heart attack under a year because of frustration, he never ran based on that advice. neil: populist ceo. they were really pushing him to run. >> odd thing about what trump talked about, talking about businesses that filed for

bankruptcy. then he starts talking about our national debt. >> right. >> you know what? can't go bankrupt, like get to go to creditors, hey, i will cut you a deal and give you x cents on the dollar. i thought that was strangest comparison. >> we're trying to make sense -- >> of trump? >> we'll be here all day. neil: this stage. campaign. we did this with herman cain for a while. did it with ross perot. fall in love with strange, eccentrics kind of character. we always revert back to the typical politician pete tree dish. why? >> 100%. it happened with, forbes had okay run for a little while. neil: that's right. >> i don't think pat buchanan is exactly in that ilk but same idea. neil: the unusual guys. >> always goes bad, always. >> in terms of business people carly fiorina is exact opposite from donald trump because she was so composed and articulate but was very effective -- neil: do you think she can get

to the next level. >> no. i think she tried in california against barba boxer like meg whitman for governor. neil: that is a hard state to pull off. >> i think she had a great debate in the predebate -- neil: expectations were very low. >> exactly. speaking of business leaders, her business record and her career will be, more heavily scrutinized. neil: you know in the general debate. >> already has been. neil: not as, as much as it will be later on. >> on perry scope she was quizzed by potential voters. she said i was fired from hewlett-packard. the stock fell 50%. there is a lot of her record that has been criticized. neil: remember this was the same thing mitt romney endured. it didn't become a big national issue until he was nominee. until the other side started digging into it. >> the biggest problem for trump is not his business record and bankruptcies, it is the name-calling. stop, you were throwing bombs on air last night. that wasn't enough. launching grenades, yeah he is

launching grenades this morning at everybody! >> remember the numbers you mentioned them earlier, the negatives, ashley trying to speak here. >> go ahead. >> ben carson -- >> anyone? anyone? >> thought i would never get a chance to speak again, said ashley webster. the negatives you talked about. what will trump's negatives or better phrased favorability, not overall poll numbers -- neil: negatives prior to the debate went down 20 points. >> so what is the next movement in those? neil: what do you read, ashley, if negatives continue to go down and support continues to go up ion after this debate which is lot of people say was controversial? >> shows you how pissed off people are with the to politicians and status yo. neil: did you say the "p" word? >> that is how people feel. >> people watching debate is clearly drunk. if his favorability goes up and negatives go down, people were hitting the sauce and hard. neil: that is even worse than

ashley's p word. >> no, it's not. >> not do anything to embarass you, neil, today. neil: that will do it. we're hearing another no vote on this iran deal. california democratic congressman brad sherman who is against it. i don't think that is a huge surprise. he was certainly demanding a lot of answers and had a lot of skepticism about this deal. you heard chuck schumer is coming out against it. congressman engle and host of others. but my math i don't think nearly enough to override a presidential veto. we'll see. it is estimate early. more after this.

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labor force. -- 93.7 million. not in the labor force. that has never been that high. almost 94 million americans not a part of this jobs comeback. now what do you think? we chart it, you decide it. jeb bush on with me in couple hours on fox news. trish regan right now. hey, trish. trish: hey, neil, breaking right now, everyone, we just learned how many people tuned into last night's republican presidential debate. 24 million people watched this event, making the highest-rated fox news channel telecast in history. nearly eight million people in the key demographic, this debate that we all saw last night, it goes down in history as the most-watched primary debate ever. welcome, everyone, to "the intelligence report." i am trish regan. again 24 million people watching. most people would agree that donald trump was the big draw here, right? even lifelong democrats, were curious to see how the man known for his brunt talk and making real estate deals would actually perfo.