as always. caitlin, thank you so much. as always. time, quickly, for us to say coming up monday, kt america farland among our guests. please be with us.. good night from new york. ♪ >> carbon could cost us the planet. >> mr. vice president, if we don't about act now, it's going to be late. >> there's a blurring between fiction and reality. >> cancel christmas. >> because they have a political agenda. john: so no new pipeline? >> no.pe actually, this time, no. >> use windmills instead. so americans -- >> control and own their own > control and own their own john: and recycle. >> wow, i'm so empowered. ♪ john: and shut down seaworld. >> are you whales being cruelly imprisoned here? should you be set free? john: people demand they be set free, that mines and pipelines be stopped, and they're succeeding. this is green tyranny.

green tyranny, that's our show. the that's our show. >> you can love nature, but still hate the tyranny the green movement now imposes. >> the proposed mind is a disaster waiting to happen. >> that ad comes from one of the richest environmental groups the nrdc. the national resources defense council. >> image the natural paradise destroyed by a 2,000 foot gaping hole in the ground. >> the man who wants to dig the hole is tom collier. he once once managed environmental policy for al gore and bill clinton. >> you consider yourself an environmental list? >> he saw opportunity in alaska. >> this is the single largest deposit of gold and silver that is not being developed in the entire world. >> not being developed because the epa stopped it. >> they are proposing killing our project before an environmental impact statement

has been done. >> tom's firm hired hundreds of people to conduct a scientific study of this land so they could ask for permission to begin digging. usually the epa waits for that and does its own study before it determines the fate of a project. in this case the epa rejected the mine before he even got his application in. >> used to have 400 people working on it. >> yes. >> now? >> 3. >> like a ghost town here. >> myrtle ran graham's bed and breakfast. when pebble shut down she shut down, too. so did most of the village. >> there's nothing. there's no one here to lease. we are all stuck here. the people that live here without jobs without economy to build and wondering how we are going to survive. >> when pebble ramped up the rhym lisa rhymer's company employed 250 people. now only 6 remain.

>> when you see your people struggling and you have to let them go because there's no jobs here, and they are angry at you because they think it's your fault. it's really difficult. >> whose fault was it? the environmental groups. >> the environmental groups ran these ads. they make people believe on tv that everything was going to die. >> you are going to kill all of the salmon. >> the things that nrdc are talking about are from an age far in the past. now you can build a safe mine. there's two mines a sit on the edge of the river. it is the second largest salmon fisher ry in the world. no problem with salon. >> the nrdc got robert redford to say. >> the epa confirmed the devil mine copper mine would devastate crystal bhris -- bristol bay.

>> if you see something over and over on tv that's the information you get you start believing those lies. when you went to visited a mine we realize the it is not how they showed it on tv. >> huge earth and dams up to 60 stories tall holding back millions of tons of mining waste. >> enough to bury the city of seattle washington. all of the mine waste that would come out. >> it is sand behind the facility. it is not some massic toxic sludge, it's sand. if the dam breaks, the sand doesn't go anywhere. i have never seen anybody do what the epa is doing. >> are you surprised? government always grows. >> not like this. >> these aren't evil people who want to hurt you. >> i believe they are in fact zealots. the they don't have to be evil but they decided to kill this project before any science had been done and there are memos that show that. >> there are incriminating memos. nancy stoner an epa regulator

who used to work for nrdc. she wrote her former colleagues. >> you can't directly ask me to meet with you, but if you ask somebody else and have a few people there then i can meet with you. >> the epa is supposed to be independent. >> they are very close aren't they? >> they are sleeping with each other. >> figuratively. nancy stoner leads nrdc, goes to epa and immediately is involved in the decision to kill this mine when that's one of the top priorities of nrdc. >> nancy stoner did not respond to our question. she has now left the government and works for another environmental group. >> this mine would destroy 90 miles of streams. >> bob dean speaks for the nrdc. >> your people are working for the epa now and epa people come to work for the nrdc coning with big liberal legislators. >> they are the source and

sometimes they take advantage of that. >> this is the beautiful bay they are worried about. i assume pebble mine was right next to the bay. no. it turns out it is 90 miles away, the distance between baltimore and philadelphia. >> it is frustrating for me for someone that does not live here come in here and dictate and tell us what we cannot do. because we live here. you a oo you are just wrecking poor people's lives. this would create jobs? >> kwe created 50,000 new jobs putting upwind turbines solar panels and energy efficient cars. >> you also need copper and gold. those are jobs, too. >> that's right. we have to weigh those risks. >> there are some mines where nrdc says great, go ahead. >> it is not -- is there any? >> it's not up to us to green light mines. >> is there any you don't complain about? >> oh, yeah, sure. >> we asked him for some names.

we are still waiting. >> listening to you i would think america would be uninhabitable. the mount blew up near bristol bay in 1912 one of the worst volcanoes ever. the volcano couldn't destroy bristol bay what do you think one carefully regulated mining company will. >> if volcanoes were operating for profit we would like to think they wouldn't awes natural de asers. >> it is okay if you don't build a road or drill oil or timber they are against everything. >> tim laporte runs an air taxi company. >> we get calls consistently for people looking for jobs. there are literally are no jobs in the area. >> matt rand works for pebble as a maintenance technicians. >> having pebble here gave people a reason to stay sober, to get up and do their job every day. to have responsibility and a sense of pride in the fact that

they were bringing income to their families. >> pebble is one project environmentalists could stop. here is daryl hannah saying stop the keystone. >> the pipeline decision could be postponed. >> the lack of progress on the keystone xl pipeline. >> it was 7 years ago when he first decided to apply for a petition to build the pipeline. >> activists chained themselves to the complement to stop them from getting the oil. >> it is the only industry that will lead us to is a toxic one. john: while in nebraska -- >> every single person will be here saying, no. not in our land, not in our water.

john: jane and her activists have so far stopped keystone in her state. >> i think we've slowed it down six years here. john: and if president obama said tomorrow, okay, go ahead, would it be built? >> transcanada could not lay a single ounce of pipe for at least three years because of the legal challenges landowners have right now. >> i've come to cushing, an oil town. john: the president stopped in cushing, oklahoma. although his administration had delayed the pipeline, here he said he'd speed the process. he approved the pipeline, but only from oklahoma to texas. >> it was very exciting. hotels popped up, restaurants were packed. john: but then --

>> president obama has vetoed a bill from congress to authorize construction of the keystone xl pipeline. john: this company had a contract to build keystone's pipes. now they sit in this warehouse. the owner calls it a steel wasteland. >> you can see the dust that's collected over the years. there's probably $3-4 million waiting to be put in the ground. . >> they want as many pipelines . much money they want. >> you have seen the chart with all of the pipelines. this is what powered our prosperity. >> we have enough oil in the united states right now. >> you are depriving people of actual shovel ready jobs, thousands of them nower saying stop? >> we are. you are right about 2,000 construction jobs would be generated by building keystone excel. >> they want to bring in more life saving oil. >> no more carbon solution producing oil rather than us in the united states saying no. actually this time no. >> people used to say you can build just not in my backyard. now it's roughly build absolutely nothing anywhere near anybody. >> with keystone and projects like yours i would think

somebody who would want to build something would say don't come to america. >> they are saying it already. this is green tyranny. >> the tyrants get their way. keystone and the pebble mines are stopped. >> you shouldn't be for research. you shouldn't be for development. you shouldn't be for anything to better your life or have a good life. you should just shut up and go back to living the way we think you should. god gave us the minerals. he didn't just put it there for no reason. this is our home. we don't want anything to happen to it. >> coming up... >> lots of people pay to come here and see that. some people call it a crime against nature. against nature. what's the truth?

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♪ ♪ john: you've heard the news, 97% of scientists agree -- >> climate change is getting worse -- >> carbon could cost us the planet. just look out the window. john: look out the window? because it's a hot day in her tiny piece of the world? how shallow is that? and what does it mean when we hear -- >> the debate is settled -- >> 97% -- >> 97% -- >> 97% of scientists agree.

>> of course i believe in global warming. john: pat michaels agrees that the globe is warm. >> 97% of scientists agree that global warming is real and people have something to do with it. john: climate changes. >> climate changes. jon: temperature's up 4 degrees since the little ice age hundreds of years ago and up 2 degrees over the past century. the real question is, is it dangerous? is it going to harm people? >> exactly. john: there's not a 97% consensus on that? >> of course there's not. john: there's no consensus on fear mongering like this. >> if we lose the icecaps, do you know how high the water would be? it would come up to the statue of liberty's elbow. john: we invited 20 alarmists to make their points on this program. only one agreed. he worries about -- >> the hot car effect where you

put your car in the sun, it's degrees outside, you get in your car, it's 140. how did it happen? is that's exactly what's happening with the atmosphere. john: the climate model that is got the government so excited have been totally wrong so far. >> yeah. well, i would say the climate models are actually better than economic models -- john: well, they're both bad. >> okay. i wouldn't object to that conclusion. john: why should we turn our lives upside down based on bad models? >> because last time carbon dioxide was this high in the past, sea levels were maybe 20 feet higher than they are now. john: that was back before humans existed. >> it will resume warming. you don't really care whether it warms a degree in the next 60 years. it warmed a degree in the last 100 years. john: a few degrees warming might be good. >> it might be, fending where you are. -- depending where you are. john: cold waves kill more people than heat waves. >> well, i don't know.

john: tens of thousands did die in europe, heat can kill, but many more people die from cold. the cdc says heat kills 600 americans a year. cold kills more than twice that many. >> this budget requests $1.1 billion to address climate change. >> agency doesn't get money going in front of a congressional committee and say, you know, my issue is really not a problem. you ought to give the money to somebody else. no. instead issues compete with each other for your money. and so you have to scare them. >> we have to act in this decade. >> as someone who gets paid to do research, i'm really excited. i'm going to go home and have fun. [laughter] to summarize, we have much sign tissuing confidence that warming -- scientific confidence that warming is contributing -- >> i've lived through eight environmental apocalypses, the ozone hole, you name it. the global warming scare has more money.

john: that also gives climate alarmists a reason to squash dissent. >> deniers suggest there's still a debate over the science, there is not. >> i bought what they were saying. john: judith curry is a climate scientist at georgia tech. she once agreed with the scare mongers. what changed? >> yes. mails reveal a plot -- >> a group of esteemed scientists were strategizing to squash their opponents. and i thought, oh, wait a minute, why should i believe this instead of my own judgment? what scientists actually agree on is a very narrow slice of things. yes, temperatures have been increasing overall for the last several hundred years. john: no doubt. >> and that carbon dioxide does act to warm the planet. but there is no agreement as to whether warming is dangerous or not. john: for saying that, you were one of the tarts of the congressmen -- targets of the

congressmen. >> yeah. i was one of the seven. john: branded heretics and ordered to reveal all their sources of fun. curry abandoned science. >> this was after praising me and pushing me a few years ago as, you know, the prestigious -- john: you have wrong opinions now. >> yeah. i was trying to be honest as a scientist. it was very unpopular with a lot of my colleagues. they were trying to squash people who disagreed with hem. john: and they have succeeded. >> i get e-mails from people all the time who wish they could speak out. john: what are they worried about? >> losing their jobs. john: it's dangerous to disscent when climate change -- dissent when climate change is something addressed with religious zeal. >> this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal! john: admit it, it's a religion. the head of the united nations climate panel said it's his religion. >> when you emit greenhouse

gases, do you feel like you're committing a sin? >> i suppose if i were a preacher, i'd say we're all sinners, but there's redemption in the future. john: what is redemption? >> my wife and i decided to build a zero net energy house in new england. it's completely solar. john: but it's expensive. >> basically, it's tax-free money for me. john: yeah. taxpayers subsidize you. and me, hey, i did it too. what's fair about that? >> that just hurts the poor. john: i ask all these nobel prize winners, what do we need to do to help the world? addressing climate change was way down on the list. a million people die from dysentery -- >> yes, absolutely. john: horrible things that are killing people now. >> and that would be cheap to fix, by the way. cheaper than -- john: we should do that before we worry about global warming. >> it's not an either/or thing. john: we don't have endless money. if we want to help 350e8, we ought to do what really helps.

that's not subsidizing solar-powered homes or windmills. instead it's using something these green protesters hate. >> excuse me, this is private property. john: the fight over the best fuel, next. ♪ pleasure. ♪ ♪

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short term, that's real. i turn on the lights every minute. but in the long run, that's not going to help. john: green tyrants tell them to be. >> i've made an unrefuted case that it's going to destroy us if we keep doing what we're doing can. john: this activist is bill mccan kick bonn. >> the oceans will rise, that the forests will burn -- john: mckibbon speaks at campus after campus, but this speech was a little different because there was one opposing viewpoint. >> fossil fuels are absolutely essential -- john: that's alex epstein, that counterprotester you saw before. >> this guy had said that the fossil fuel industry, which is the industry that makes all of our lives possible, is public enemy number one. >> he says it's moral to use fossil fuels. he wanted to debate mckick -- mckibbon. >> i'll pay him ten grand, i'll get him a venn at duke university, and he said yes. john: that's how that debate happened. >> this is a piece of coal.

basically all fossil fuel energy is taking this rock and figuring out how to use it to charge your iphone or to power your car. i think that's amazing. john: it is amazing, but it pollutes. >> will we need as much of it we can do. nature doesn't give us a safe climate that we're making dangerous. it gives us an incredibly dangerous climate that we're making safe. john: certainly safer. even as the globe is warmed, climate-related deaths have dropped. by a lot. since 1933 by 98%. >> we desperately need the rain. john: drought used to be the biggest climate-related killer, but those deaths are way down because fossil fuels allow trucks to bring food to people who once starved and because farmers fight drought with fossil fuel-powered irrigation pumps. still, global warming may become a big problem. >> all the worst predictions, if

they never materialize, what will be the harm that is done from having made the decision to respond to it? john: what's the harm? kerr. >> kerr by was giving that speech in indonesia. if they hadn't been able to use coal, which which is what he thinks they shouldn't be able to do, they would still be desperately poor. john: but the protesters don't think about that, and the green tyrants have convinced them other fuels are just as good. >> renewables really work. >> is 100% renewables means americans get to own and control their own energy. john: politicians give your money to people who sell wind power and solar power. europe tried that first. but then noticed the wind doesn't always blow, and clouds sometimes block the sun. electricity prices shot way up. so now in europe -- >> governments are reinvesting in fossil fuels -- >> they're actually building more coal capacity than ever to compensate for the renewables

that they can't rely upon. sometimes there's too much, sometimes there's too little. you want forms of energy that you can control, not that control you. john: but activists point out renewables are improving. today they provide 13% of america's electricity. however -- >> when people say renewable, they usually think solar and wind, but those contribute a very minuscule percentage. it's mostly hydro which is a great source of energy that the environmentalists mostly oppose. john: it kills fish. >> yeah. and the sierra club's list of its most proud accomplishments, it lists all the dams it shuts down. john: don't the activists see the contradiction? no. >> in the future be, cars could be powered by hazelnuts. that's encouraging considering an eight-ounce jar of hazelnuts costs $9. >> i just don't think he realizes it. after all -- john: fallon belong toss a group that attacks fossil fuels. next, what should be done

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>> cnn bought it and run it again and again. >> they're all psychological a traumatize. >> it stirred protests to save three though whales and close sea world. >> data want them to get one dime of any money. >> it does make the owners of marine parks look like of users that hurt steamrolled that cnn repeats -- reports repeatedly. the stock prices dropped 40% and attendance is down $1 million -- 1 million visitors. >> is separate them from their mothers. >> we have not done that and 35 years with no plans to do that again but it implies we did that yesterday's. >> the head trader says blackfish is completely deceiving. >> what they describe did not happen. >> the head veterinarian says this is the life of the

whale's nose gimmicky% of the whales that we care for were born right here. >> the key difference between what our wailes experience in those of the wild is the fact there are people we are working with them every day. john: blackfish claims the drippy dorsal fin proves they are sad and unhealthy. >> dorsal collapse happens in less than 1% of wild killer whale. >> i have never see the shape of the dorsal fin affect a killer whales health or will be ending and it is no indication of mood. >> when it is warm and is out of the water. >> we spend more time at the surface because that is where the traders are. >> those would not talk to us from blackfish. >> all wailes in captivity have a bad life? >> all of them.

>> of wild is not so perfect there is competition. >> it isn't perfect but these animals evolved over millions of years to be adapted to do with the challenges of the wild not living in a concrete tank. they need a social life. they need space. they don't have to do shows or stupid pet tricks. >> are you cruelly imprisoned? to read the movie says the whales are miserable but how would they go? in the movie points out we cannot ask the wailes because we don't speak them or monkey or tiger. >> i know they're doing well because i interact with them each and every day. john: maybe they are miserable. >> a play and swam and breed they enjoy interacting with us.

>> me know if our pet dog is happy. >> i may not know what my dog is thinking what i interact with him but i know he is happy and we have a good relationship. >> the wailes have done violent things. >> this will grab the traitor by her ponytail and pulled her under and drown her stricken never gave any indication he would reach and pull something into the water. >> key killed your friend. >> yes he did. he did not do what he did because he was frustrated but he found himself with a person in his environment and he was not conditions up proper way to respond. >> the life span is much shorter than in the wild.

>> but the specialist does not corroborate that and as the whale -- several points out ceramic we have wailes in their forties in their parameters it is the same as in the wild. john: the most upsetting part is to hear the mother whale cry with her child is taken from her. >> she stayed in the corner of the approval literally shaking and screaming. >> how can anyone looking at that and think that is morally acceptable? >> it turns out the film's fate to that they added that cry. >> sound effects there not be appropriate to wait till there will. >> it isn't even a the right whale it doesn't even live in the same city. >> capsule be made of something that would never happen the level of

accusation or the untruth that is brought towards us. >> many one to them free but that would not work out so well. >> it would be awful if you would free her. >> remember the movie free willy he aroused so much sympathy he was freed. but then the of wild whales would not allow him in the pods and he kept returning to shore to seek contact with people bin he died shortly after. but it does raise a question is there right to keep them in cages? >> but they are well -- and while the animals and charge people admission. >> many people protest to say there should be no was

used to make it is very hard to justify them anymore. >> i was infected with my first experience with a draft ben down and i was forever changed and will work with animals. these kids are having that experience. >> they take the money to fund animal conservation. >> the only way to preserve the animals in the wild to better understand them and to better follow love with them and understand them is that a place like sea world. >> we have had quite an effect in this world the impact on the people that come here is worth millions because they will go out to be different people and they will care. john: the propaganda of the turbines. >> they have left no alternative but to cancel christmas.

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john: if you go to the movies you will hear a lot of scary things. global warming is the reason. >> environmentalism and

hollywood have gone hand in hand. john: a journalist who fights the fear mongering calls this propaganda from people who want government to control life. >> if we don't act now it will be too late. >> were you called propaganda they say they're just informing. >> affair not informing people there using science to achieve the political ads they have been trying to do since the '60s. >> a think we're on the verge of a major climate shipped those of the exact words in the '60s and '70s there pessimistic fable not act in time. john: at the u.n. a movie actor of lectures the delegates. >> oceans are a acidifying. >> chief celebrity spokesman to sarah will fly over the world to fight global

warming he did not get the gist of that. the most successful movie ever is this one. but to get it they will destroy the indigenous people and their land. >> the film's director is james cameron. >> he went to brazil to protest hydroelectric dams which would have brought run in water and electricity to people then flew back home to his mansion in hollywood with the private plane he lives a car -- a high carbamide style they he denied progress to the poor people. john: criticizing greenhouse gas by flying around the world. >> we ask their representatives about their hypocrisy but they did not respond. >> hollywood tells kids to fight destruction and again in the way.

>> you have to start to think like the old law. >> his ego terrorism port for children showing kids ravaging construction sites. >> we have to stop this once and for all we're the only ones who care. >> this is hollywood to say it is fiction. >> vitter times kleiner report reads like a greenpeace newsletter. john: climate signals are growing louder and we're running out of time and the worst is yet to come. >> on tv storms are not just bad but historic. >> catastrophic and crippling. >> historic. >> historic. >> historic. >> climate change causes so many problems. >> was this asteroid caused by global warming?

>> is this effective global warming? directed is between fiction and reality with a political agenda. >> this is what would happen >> climate scientist with a laugh at the claims but the kids don't know that today in schools they watch this over and over and children who have to sit through the film four times in four different glasses. >> the kids also watch the story of stuff how radios are made. >> the metal is from south africa of petroleum in iraq. >> the story of stuff has been viewed 40 million times >> date paid for the loss of their clean air with cancer and asthma raise the kids in the congo paid with their future. >> is telling kids everything you buy that we are exploiting other people. i'm sorry i bought a radio.

>> but the technology behind it they call progress exploitation. >> this was shown at the u.n. and the little girl watches the news to learn because of me and her world may fall apart. kids are scared some of their very scared the have pictures of santa claus home melting and they do this every christmas. >> there may be no alternative other than to cancel christmas. >> nobody better tell kids don't be scared. >> they will be told that there is one of you that we face a climate danger and we must act. john: people are eager to act to save the planet like this one. >> i don't produce in a trash and i haven't over two years. john: no trash? what is the point? next.

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>> "this is it" spending she would reuse or recycle or compost. john: where? >> in my freezer. it is like any frozen food will not break down. >> it is supposed to. >> every saturday i bring this to the farmers' market where they do this city-wide composting program. >> she buys coffee on the way home to avoid using plastic she brings a mason jar. to avoid industrial chemicals she makes her own cosmetics. >> this is the motion i make myself it smells like chocolate. john: you put that on your face? why do you live this way? >> environmental studies at nyu. >> oh, yes. every campus has sustainability.

>> after llord graduated she put the video upon kickstart your. >> i wanted to learn about sustainability but live it to make people donated $41,000 which she used to store her sustainable products business. >> she is annoyed by claims. >> is the moral high ground they were better than somebody else because they are protecting the environment more. >> i am you leaving a four great-grandchildren. >> all recycling is not necessarily good or b9. john: why not? >> i've given bozeman montana we ship them to golden colorado that is a long way we using more energy than to start from scratch. john: al los angeles mandated recycling they

needed another 400 garbage trucks to pick up the new containers. >> now twice as many garbage trucks to create the pollutants. >> cell makes sense like using aluminum but just about everything else is a scam? >> talk a recycling glass we're talking about replacing sand one of the most abundant materials on earth. >> there is infinite say and that will not make a difference period the average american has 4.4 pounds of trash per day to help the environment to create more landfills and those are not free. john: a lot of people believe we will run out of space but that is not true spirit we're not at we have more space than historically we have ever had. >> how? >> we have the big landfills

that have liners a little permeate and destroy the water table then we seal off and put a park on top. john: or a ski resort or a beach all built on a landfill. >> all-american as garbage for the next 100 years would fit on the ranch in montana with 50 acres to spare. >> all of the trash into 150 miles square and fell? there is a lot of room out there. >> that doesn't make it okay. john: there are ski mountains. >> i prefer to live homeostasis with the earth. >> is nice to live in a country where young people can afford to pay more for organic fruit and have some much free time they wash everything by hand to feel empowered to lift a sustainable life. >> i had no idea it was even

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