neil cavuto my time sup. got to go mow the lawn. it's yours. ♪ >> we've got breaking news on a possible terror attack, a deadly explosion in heart of bangkok killing 27 people and many more injured. government there is calling this an attack on the economy. jo ling kent has the latest. jo. >> this is a developing story so far a death of 27 dozens injured. this happened at the shrine hindu shrine in the center of hank you can see the blast that happened. reports from the government say that there were a second and third bomb in the area that were removed and made safe. the government said that this attack was aimed at foreigners specifically. reports that it was a motorcycle bomb. and it has wounded dozens ever people in the area. the defense minister of island

saying it was a t at any time bomb device. now, those who were at the scene recall human flesh strewn across and charred motorcycles, an bodies being covered and carried now the white sheets. now, as we continue to monitor this, again this happen ad near a popular he know drew shrine in a busy area of bangkok thailand. >> ben collins on this lethal blast of bangkok. i have to ask you first off what does it look like to you ?mpletion well charles look to be honest it is entirely too early for them to state whether or not it was terrorism or o not. but, however, we have one blast and a two that were -- that they tried. so it was a planned attack. now to me it tells me that it has one of three things here. one, al qaeda or isis.

two thailand is ruled by military after they overthrew the commercial government or excuse me the elected government. now the first two options, charlings to me if it was al qaeda if it was isis or even in the south they would have probably taken, you know, the blame for this already. because it is a resounding success. and so -- like we just heard you know this went off in the heart of the commercial district right next to a five-star hotel filled with tour itions, foreigners to me that was the exact thing they were trying to establish was to kill foreigners. >> as a matter of fact right now the foreign can want is four, including among that chinese and taiwanian tourist to your upon the that is ab economic attack. some form of -- to harm the nation in some way or o another. how do you separate an economic attack from a terrorist attack

when, in fact, it feels like end game is same result. they want to scare people and disrupt the government. >> exactly. so to me this is a pr play so reaction their what the government is doing right now. for them to come out and say this wasn't politically motivated this was economically motivated as you say what's the difference? because it is definitely going to harm the mecial interest and won't have a lot of foreigners that are going happily to the commercial direct or staying in that hotel again. but at the end of the day the only reason that you affect one of these atrocities is to kill and to name. and they've accomplished that very well. one of those three actors to me, al qaeda, either southern insurgency changing their entire strategy or politically motivated bomb against the military government. >> we should note it was mentioned by jo ling kent this is a hindu god, any possibility this can have religious

overtones? >> look, it could. it is a shrine that is visited as she said it's the most heavily visited shrine. but look, again, with i think to me with the religious overtone, if it does happen to be that, it would mark i would say a significant changes in tactic tots muslim insurgents that they've seen in the south. they don't come this close to the capitol and don't target shrines like this at this level. so i would be surprised. >> whether it's the traditional definition of tri. as we know it here or o some sort of economic terrorism. bottom line is, this is coordinated, it was dangerous and awful deadly to your point successful from the of those who launched the attack. ben collins appreciate it. >> thanks. >> we're going to keep that situation monitored minute to minute now to a fox business alert here. oil rebounding just slightly after plummeting again now dropping below 42 a barrel. you can see right now, it is sort of struggling right now. but jeff flock is reporting that

price at the pump aren't exactly coming down nearly as fast. they never do. jeff, why this time? >> caution if you're trading oil. caution tape here. this by the way are the new agricultural options pits here at the cme in chicago. but the the headline i think over here is oil, charles. absolutely right, it is because of that refinery in whiting, indiana not far from the c.m.e. is in chicago. 7th largest in fact country largest in the midwest with because it has shut down one of the its main units we just don't have the kind of gasoline output that we need here so supply and demand. take a look at what that has done 20 prices. national average not so bad if you tack a look at the number 2.67 but in illinois what are we paying now? reporter:3.16 a gallon, and in a of chicago $3.45 and in chicago proper where i live -- it is $3.63 a gallon.

almost a dollar more than national average and charles this is an indication, you know, we have not built new refineries since the 70s when one big one like this goes down it has a major impact on prices doesn't matter what the cost of oil is. >> going down at the wrong time. jeff flock thanks very much. tracking critics are now saying that low prices are even more of a reason to cut production. in fact, to hit a new york level in united states is about about to come to an end but annie says this isn't the too many to take a foot off thes gag. but time to perhaps put a foot on gas and in the studio glad to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> interesting that "new york times" promotes solar energy and that kind of stuffing with -- look to attack fannie mae and freddie fracking and launched this whole campaign to hurt our fracking industry in the first place. >> well, yeah tracking really turning oil market upside down

before we were dependent they controlled the market. now with the spectacular success of the fracking industry, it is the u.s. producer who was really dictating what the price is only the oil market. >> we know, though, the reason that saudi arabia was doing that taking oil out of the ground is extraordinary cheap compared to fracking miracle here is a battle ofs will if you will. but we've seen counts plummet from last year, although they're up recently. is this a good seen we were 6 .28 in june. is this a good sign that american producer will tough it out and let scraib completely derail this whole thing? >> they are going to tough it out, in fact, what you see is they're squeezing cost out of the system we've seen 30 and 40, 50% reduction in cost at the same time. the drilling rig itself is drilling eight or ten wells per rig, and they're drilling it fast so the efficiency is improved substantially. and we're still seeing oil come out of the ground, in fact, in

north dakota, june production was up versus may. >> so gets us that supply and demand conundrum because how can oil be crude over $100 and then you fast forward less than a year at 42. how does that happen? that's a complete miss dynamic of the market has been so off. >> what it is showing you is if oil balance gets out of whack one way or another prices swing dramatically with a small supply disruption it will spike and here we have the reverse where fracking in the u.s. is increased production 50% over o the last couple of years. it is sought out demand and if that demand growth isn't there you see oil everywhere. >> sayings give us a snapshot six months from now. year from now because we're talking about the pendulum ship and prices start to go back up. >> shift is going to happen ting in early 2017. ting that first quarter of 2016

is really going to be a tough period for the oil producers. we may see oil with a three handle on it. but after that, the world oil demand continues to grow. it is growing at a faster pace than people expected this year. it will continue to do so next year. and we're gong to soak up this excess supply in 2017. >> so hang on to your hat boys an girls if you can store ruling in your backyard. at least a refined gas thanks a lot andy. by the way, we have more breaking news, the national labor relations board ruling that southwestern football players not unionize sthifng a surprise in a unanimous decision mlbr releasing by considered university employees. now, we've been waiting for this decision for some time and this is, obviously, a clear victory for college sports, and the establishments there. we're going to dig much further into this decision. i have to tell you with the bodges i'm going to tell you upfront this is shocking for a whole lot of people. speaking of shocking to a whole lot of people donald trump

immigration plan a lot of people saying it is too harsh. next says it may be harsh but it is certainly needed.

>> we're keeping an eye on another breaking story 4.0 earthquake in northern california near the san francisco bay area. now, so far no reports of injuries. but we with will update you as more details come in. donald trump catching heat for immigration plan that calls for deportation of all illegal immigrants, and it ends to birthright as theship. but sheriff paul babeu says concerned plan is necessary and

it does make a whole lot of seasons. sheriff you're right there, and in the thick of it all i'm sure you -- you understand the nuances of this. but there are some people who are saying -- that this sounds like an amazing thick up to 10, 11 million will round them up. put them on buses and march them out of here including screaming kids. would this be something of a trail of tears part two modern day version? >> well, this donald trump is very bold with his plan. and a this is something that he's not only channeling anger and frustration but see people murdered by violent criminals and when he talks about and detail in his plan is to actually identify all of the violent criminals. right, and these people have to be rurnled to their country of origin never to return again. so there's elements nobody could disagree with yet there's such frustration because our government, our federal

government has proven to be completely inept that there's law for you and i that we have to follow and real coins consequences but from a foreign country you commit murder and they release you into our communities an you don't have to be the sheriff to figure out what's going to happen. it is a bold plan and very controversial. we'll see where it goes. >> you know, to your point it is not just the federal government. let's be honest about about this. you have so many municipalities that are complicit in this identify lost count i think it is 2 or 300 of them where they've rolled out the red carpet and then i think it doesn't matter how ulta of a wall you build p build but you can get freebie like welfare and my kids get a discount of free college hard to kick me out. >> you're right, there's actually 275 sanctuary cities cs that don't work with our federal law enforcement to turn over these violent criminals once they're finished with their crimes locally. so this is where donald trump

and his plan actually says, we defund these sanctuary cities there's an actual penalty with laws like san francisco that a guy that kills kate, right who has been arrested five, six, seven times those cities will not receive federal funds. i think we have to get tough that all law enforcement, it is not the laws in pinel, kn, arizona should be the same when it comes to federal law in san francisco, california. >> all right sheriff, well i can tell you what it is going to be really busy time for you one way or the other. you're right there are aspects of this that everyone applauds and aspects that are controversial we appreciate you spending time with us this afternoon. thanks a lot. a new botch poll shows that jeb bush and marco rubio only republicans that can actually beat hillary clinton if the elections were held today. but look at what happens when drurch is sort of throanl in the midst there as a third party candidate. while number shows trump third party run would hand election right over to hillary.

to manning and democrat strategist michael. rather, on trump's third party run, and what it exactly would mean. now, i think i keep hearing that democrats are licking their chops and they're rejoicing. but by the same token i think he's resonating beyond democrats and these polls might be giving you a false sense of security. >> i'm not so sure about that. i think that democratic message right now wii talking about economic opportunities. we're talking about immigration reform. i don't think you're hearing that on the republican side. you hear mostly anger coming from that side and a reality is that as long as donald trump is the standard bearer of the republican party platform, which he is today by virtue of where he stands in the polls, then it is beginning to be -- it is going to be an incredible show to see all of the quote unquote establishment republican candidates trying to

essentially -- put i think people are tired of hearing that immigration reform. donald trump has a worded sort of policy on immigration, certainly comprehensive whether you can believe in it or not and as these sort of policies are starting to gain some sort of traction here, again, i think of a huge mistake for those to dismiss him. >> no, i agree with you and true donald trump style has immigration reform plan is very bold. but it still is a comprehensive immigration reform plan and other republicans have talked about immigration reforming. they have talked about economic opportunity. those republicans are presenting a vast array of ideas. i hope election will be a competition of those ideas rather than a competition of personalities which is what it seems to be with donald trump in the mix but he's a problem for the republican party even outside of the party if he run as ib independent he draws fort

away from gop ensuring win for hillary it might be a good show, entertaining and certainly be good for democrats making a lot of democrats happy, it would cause beg problems for those of us who want to see conservative policies put into place. >> in other words so you're saying donald trump is not a conservative. >> no, i'm saying that he is drawing a lot of support from conservatives, but he would -- because of the politics of the matter ensure win for hillary clinton or whomever democratic nominee is who certainly isn't a conservative. >> so you've got to help me out here. if donald trump is nominated by gop forget about a third party run, you think that ensures that hillary clinton wins? >>able it ensuring a win for whomever democrats nominate. i don't think donald trump has what it takes to win the general election but maybe popular at this point and time but in order to appeal to the base outside -- to the general public outside o of their republican base, he's got serious problems. >> got to leave it there.

continue this later on i want to follow-up but we have run out of time on this segment. thanks a lot. next it baker who says government is portion him to go against his religion. but fighting back, right after a this. >> i was disappointed in the court's decision but it still -- a different decision than what my case is. my case is the government is trying to force me to violate my personal religious freedom. and you know, create a -- ceremony that i have objections to.

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>> an update to a story we brought to you just last week. remember the baker, he's under fire for refusing to bake a cake for same sex wedding. he has no problems serving same sex couples, he just draws a line at weddings for religious reasons but a colorado court ruling forcing him to serve weddings and on friday he told neil, the government is overstepping.

>> the government is trying to force me to violate my personal religious freedom. and you know create a cake, create a cake for a ceremony that i have objections to. >> you won't make a cake for a gay wedding, correct you will for heterosexual. >> right now we're not wedding cakes so that is taking a pretty good chunk of business away. as a american citizen i have first amendment rights. >> attorney mike says that baker did not break the law but rebecca says, in fact, that he did. rebecca, how did he break the law if he was -- for his belief in a religious principle is where it drives him, why would he be breaking the law? >> colorado law says that when you sell goods to the public, you can't discriminate on who you sell to based on among other things sexual orientation if you're selling cake tots public you won't sell to certain people

and others because you don't like people because of their sexual orientation that is what the colorado court of appeals found here. >> whatever happened to the idea that constitutional right to, you know, to follow our religion? i guess that no longer applies? >> well, i mean, i completely agree. you know, this is a baker who doesn't make halloween cake and doesn't make halloween cookies, i think that's weird. i think it is kind of dumb. but i like halloween. but i guess if his deeply held religious belief is that strong, that this is the kind of thing he's not interested in doing, then yeah. i think that's a problem. >> here's the thing rebecca i know doing calf -- civil rights movement allowing the federal government to get involved but we're talking interstate right now, and i'm -- is there a chance then let's say this law does exist. that the people could have a voice an say hey, ultimately we don't want this to be the law can the state make up their mind? feels to me that people in a lot of different places share bakers

agreement that they're not discriminating against him as much as adhering to their religious beliefs. >> this is absolutely the kind of question that should be decided by democracy at the state level. i think you're right about that and different states have come up with different laws. but colorado has said as of now, based on their democratically elected meeters in law they passed that you can't discriminate on basis of sexual orientation. and that means needs to follow the law like everybody else. >> we have a lot of breaking news and i have to cut this short. bring you back real soon this is important for a lot of reasons to a lot of people. we appreciate your time. >> thanks very much. we have to get back to breaking news on college football. the national labor relations board ruling that northwestern football players cannot unionize. northwestern issuing statement applauding this decision. but is this the end of the fight? we're going to bring you exactly what it means right after a break. ♪

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>> more now on that nlrb decision not tow allow players to unionize blake is in d.c. with the latest. blake. >> off the field charles for northwestern university players seeking to potentially unionize. as a you know this was an 18 monther or o more than that potentially even two-year long case in which led by cain coulter star quarterback there at northwestern university for the poblght of the football players many of whom are on scholarship to unionize nlrb

says they don't have jurisdiction over this case. and because of that, it is basically the end of the road for the moamght for these northwestern university football players who were seeking to unionize. one of the arts that the nlrb made and we're starting to pour over there. one of the arguments that they made it because the big ten conference which is -- 12 teams story for another day but because of those 12 teams 11 of them are public. private institution. in this case players were pitted against their own university and northwestern released a statement. i'll read some of it here quoting here we applaud our players for bringing attention to public issues but we strongly believe that unionization and collective bargaining is not appropriate raised bit student athlete. a loss there for the season even begins or some of those players

who were potentially seeking to unionize. we should point out charles, that the vote that was made a couple of last year -- the result of that we believe, will not be made public. so -- >> all right that's the whole thing won't go away. college players wanting to get paid it won't be through unions. >> just the beginning of it. >> thanks a lot blake appreciate it. as hillary clinton is struggling with a growing e-mail controversy, vice president biden remains on sidelines so far after 2016. he's yet to raise $1 higher or staff. and if he wants to jump in is there enough time or money for him to do any real damage to hillary. charlie gasparino is here. >> supposedly really fiercely considering it, though? >> there's outreach to wall street types and to doanlers donors by people say they represent al gore former vice president so kind of interesting that both doing this. listen, i think this is a fallback position. i think that people grasp

because we've been talking about donald trump so much who hasn't raised a dime claims he's spending billion of his own money. i doubt it. but when you have infrastructure, campaign infrastructure that helps along the way. and that gives hillary clinton right now a very good campaign infrastructure, tremendous abilities to do attack ads anything else you want. time for biden to jump in to put those -- together if she doesn't run. i was going to make the same point about jeb and talking about trump gets 25%. but if jeb bush has 100 million that he want tops spend on donald trump making his life miserable he can do so. listen, will biden will able to raise money if hillary leaves? yeah. >> but look -- >> you're saying that if hillary stays biden doesn't come? >> i don't think so. i think that every democrat i talked to listen, i can only tell you what my sources tell me. >> run for president before. he wants to be president. we know that in the heart and soul. listen, city council member in

new york city -- [laughter] >> yeah, but very few have the launching pad that he has. he does have a launching pad. >> vice president, you know you give some tremendous advantages. i would say this that hillary clinton has been spending probably her entire life -- putting together a campaign infrastructure and she has it right now and hard to display unless she gets indicted or something bad comes out. >> numbers start to pull away from her. these guy who is back, big money guys they don't wait. they look forward that's how they make their money in the first place. >> sleaze -- >> they can see bad things happen they wouldn't wait for this to redale one tire is u off. another is falling off. drk >> bill clinton has had always had -- high negatives, and 58%. >> that's ugly stuff. >> down from 68%. just telling you. it has been worse. thanks a lot charlie. you know even if joe biden decides to jump in the race

congressman david says hillary is nomination is all but inevitable. all right you know, you're echoing what charlie gasparino is saying but we heard this in 2007 and some first term senator, announces his campaign in front of a dozen people on a snowy day completely dismissed and he runs away with it. why can't history run away with it. look at that number 30%. i mean, you've got to think that hillary is vulnerable here, no? >> there's a vulnerability and senator sanders has conducted a brilliant campaign up to this point and has to be given full credit for that, however, when you look at the primary season -- well i think that you can make a case that senator sanders will win new hampshire and iowa. once you go on to southern states in the midwest it becomes tougher. senator clinton or secretary clinton has a very strong base among african-americans and among latinos. i think that will rise to her

defense in those later primaries. >> but shouldn't someone and the democratic hierarchy be concerned about the general election where she's going to be told before congress, and a couple of months there's no doubt about that. she's going to be grilled about it. more an more numbers have come out. we get a dozen and then 60, this looks awful right now. and i've got to think someone in a democratic hierarchy structure is worried about this. you've got to be thinking plan b. >> you know, before we start talking about plan b, though -- let's point this out. hillary clinton just because she's hillary clinton does not mean that she's guilty until proven innocent. secondly, hillary clinton should not be subject to being guilty by the unvirtue of constant repetition of a charge that's what's going on right now. look, i have -- in this race bernie sanders and i have known each other for a long time. known hillary clinton a long

time. i wish her well. but i'll tell you something, the politicalization skewing this and it is the constant attacks about the e-mails that we don't know enough about yet. >> all u due respect if she didn't have to play that romantic game over and over playing game and bill clinton got away with it and sexual relationships that woman an awflg that junk. people are hip to their game and they don't like it. her fault that it has dragged on for this long. >> you're rooght. but you know i'm also stating and i think i'm right about it a person, though, she's in public life is entitled to presumption of innocence that's important in a campaign. >> ut ultimately court of public opinion. you know that better than anyone else. we appreciate it. >> starbucks glitch. faa out with thousands suppliers out rage, you won't believe why it all happened.

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>> a stock alert for you shares tesla surging. morgan stanley says this stock could almost double thls they're saying that tesla releases a self-driving technology. but i have to tell you apple behind maybe next hour. i'm going to give you details on how apple could give tesla a run for their money both sides looking good especially tesla. getting new detalls on what is behind faa glitch that cost nearly 1,000 flights to be canceled or delayed this weekend hearing it is all because of a software upgrade. sound familiar? a software upgrade shut down stocks exchange back in june. mike says maybe in the middle of the summer man not the best time for a upgrade. mike, and it feelings like a week doesn't go by without bad news from the airline industry and a this one seems suspect to me. [laughter] >> it is look, faa their air

traffic control system is a disaster. they have an upgrade program that is a total failure failing for ten years they called it next. people buy into it. after billions we spent this is not an excuse u to have we have a failure on east and west coast, an they say well we're doing better than we have in the past. i didn't fall off the truck and neither were those who were delayed. >> those people that were delayed mike have been delayed so many times and we hear so many times from this industry, that thrall do better. but it feels like, i don't know, maybe it feels like just -- for whatever reason they get away with letting down a consumer more than almost any of the industry i know of. and it is frustrating. >> they operate with with mismanaged and incompetent and they accept it. that's the problem i have. airlines don't want to have this happen. but they have accepted that the faa is controlling their production line. remember, when the airplane leaving laguardia airline goes like this until it gets to

chicago. they need to control it because the faa air traffic control system can't, and they've got to stop accepting that. fling well what about i don't know you saw this story, that was an article written about delta. and sort of shaming there's the allegation it is that they shame if you fly coach. when you get the ticket receipt it tells you things that you should expect and makes people feel little. can airlines control things like that? >> well they can, what they can't control is idiot written by consumer who is don't want to be totally honest about it. i read that story and one of the things where they tell you what they're getting. there's nothing wrong with that. i don't think they need to take it away, take it away but telling you upfront but wrong to tell you that upfront this is nuts. consumers need to go back from the rock that they crawled out from under. >> a little worried that there's been so much consolidation that there's a lack of consideration

and listen it is a businesses practice but again it maybe one of the area where is consumers have very little voice. >> you have very little voice very much like you have very little voice with railroad transportation this is a little bit better. but the fact of the matter is, we are where we are, and a lot of these -- mergers have actually improved access for a lot of mid-sized communities like never would have had the access they have unless american had bought u.s. airways or vice versa. pros to it. but it the world we live in. there's no competition possible in a lot of markets because -- the economics just don't work. >> all right well economics aren't working and faa is not working so much for friendly skies. mike thanks so much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> see you soon. >> many have heard many in this network including me -- warning their robot takeover. think it can't happen? next tech expert who says it be it is about to and senior than you think.

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think about über that normal shuffles us around there's über eats and we call this überrization and economy is get it now, get it fast. >> you feel like it is going to o work? >> i think it is a pretty good deal. certainly a good deal for the tech company that is building called the plumbing behind this app. so for them it is a great crew to get a client like target. they also have best buy, so for that company it is fantastic why not if you shop at at target it feels good. >> let's say you go to target order toenail clipper all over the store. how many people are going to have running around store trying to fill baskets up. could it be inefficient for target? >> i don't think. because internally within target they have those two numbers and you'll notice every single employee even has a kind of ipad i should say smart device on them. they know where to find it. they can find you charles. >> makes sense to have people running around and like okay, all right we'll see.

why do those tarts by the way i shop at? >> i'll give it a shot. a real, real test. all right by the way, there's a recent push to raise a minimum wage for fast food workers we know it has been successful and would mean that restaurants now find a way to reduce cosby replacing workers with robots, industry is ready right now to start using robots they want to flip burgers. being question is does the technology there right now, tech editor mike joins us in the conversation. what we've seen already michael, the kiosk i've seen all kinds of video of robots flipping burgers not necessarily work environment but this is low hanging from a technology point of view. >> you're talking ab position where you're supposed to build same burger in seattle and in new york and taste the same every time. robots will do that more effectively than any human ever could and a lot in play here. minimum wage discussion, but

really at the heart of it is accessibility to robotics and that shrinking for most companies. u right now 10% of automation across all manufacturing and by the end of the decade 25%. that's in manufacturing not exactly the restaurant industry. but certainly it will cross -- human imablght starting with the automobile industry, and maybe they'll be the ones picking up stuff in target. maybe it won't be a human being. maybe it will be a robot going around filling orders. >> retailers, drugstores with the self-check out first to put your item there. it scans your skew anyway. i end up with trouble so i'm still for humans. man versus machine. >> say that too when it comes to food they feel like uneasy with the robot making the burger i don't know if they'll taste it but something about about human interaction. >> that is true for bar tending another one. [inaudible]

so that's something to have a robot in place today but people like that human interaction element and also yes to the point that you were making with companies like target amazon and retailers, best buy another one, and will work besides age not replaced any time soon, so in a lot of places like autoindustry, you're seeing humans work and they're getting more skilled jobs by just working with a high end or high-tech robot. >> everyone with that the ares take a police station that put humans in danger. weather that's part of manufacturing or deep sea dives i remember robotics arms that were trying to close that gap. no human could go down that. >> the other thing here feels like this 15 dollar minimum wage thing is going to probably speed this whole development up. not slow it down. whether it can happen today or

tomorrow it seems inevitable. >> that's exactly right. people deserve to make a living wage, and that still continue to see that push. but with that, these companies will take a look at their bottom line and see how they can just make their restaurants more effective. >> speaking to that you have jesse jackson talking about fixing diversity especially in silicon valley. saying it is a big thing for him as well. >> it certainly is. to your point we're talking about whether or not diversity actually give use a better corporate culture that's one question i have for jesse jackson because we read this amazon slam no other way to say it. getting trashed by "the new york times," but then coming out and saying listen this is not amazon that i know. if it is what you're experiencing as amazon employee go to highest level of hr this is not how i want my company. another company that is 40% female employees. in another publication was written about how toxic culture

is. 40% google has about 22% women. maybe it is not always about men, women or any other race but about the corporate culture. >> corporate culture is, obviously, in my mind most important thing i've talked about that a lot. you see it in everything. sports, in business, nike everyone at nike loves sports. i don't know who they are but that is essential to have a success. but you have to treat -- the reason i like amazon and i like what jeff has done. it feels like every day is a super bowl from him, and if you thick football teams, military regular people say a harsh environment are tough and they push you to the limit. >> to the baby -- >> i think if you want to be successful. i think over the last two years, graveyards of silicon valley startups that have skateboard ramps and come to work wherever you want it is littered and guess who went to the top of the heap? amazon. >> amazon indeed and to a point to his leadership saying a general statement this is not amazon that i built if you experience this -- >> you're the tech guy.

isn't this really more about education in terms of in other words people being able to get these jobs. i spoke to jesse jackson about this. he sayings there are a lot of blacks out there that have these skills. i'm not sure if they do or don't. american kids in general aren't prepared for these jobs. >> you're exactly right and seen over the past decade talk of the intelligence economy and the fact that low skilled jobs have been outsourced or exported to china and brazil and beyond. and this is just american academy reacting to, and we have been a technology forward country, and i think we're still continuing to do a lot of that research and for, you know, it is more important to have an education no i than ever before. >> 34 million jobs go unfilled every month in the u.s. economy. because there are not people here who can -- >> people are saying silicon valley is making the slaves out of these chinese and workers paying them half the wage and that's why federal americans. so you've got it great. i can't wait till 5:00 a.

and jesse jackson 5:00 we'll see many more on the bangkok blast more on the attack on the economy. but are there ties to terror and what's the difference between that anyway? we're going to have the very latest details for you when we come back.

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>> welcome back to coast to coast i'm charles payne in for neil cavuto, and we do have more information for you out of that explosion from bangkok. >> at this point 16 people are dead, 81 people are injured, in a sideline that is popular with chinese tourists in bangkok. now, the government in thailand is actually saying this was an attack on the nation's economy. there's been political turmoil in thailand, there's also issues in the south, thailand south that is, fighting

malaysian, who are also tied to groups in malaysia. but the government in thailand is ruling this groups, the muslim, they're ruling out any link to this attack with that group. they have found parts of the bomb according to the government near the blast site, especially an click circuit, which triggered the explosion, it was a pipe bomb an explosive that was put inside the bomb and then left at the shrine, there was one report that two undetonated bombs had been found, one device was found, and it was the one that caused this tragedy. charles. >> thank you very much, adam shapiro and as adam is saying here, the government in thailand saying this was an attack on the economy, the florida respect he congressman, i really don't

even know how you distinguish a terrorism from an attack on the economy since at the end of the day both do the same thing. hurt people, kill people, scare people and put in everything disarray. >> well, i agree with you, charles, 100%. if you look at this has all the signatures of a terrorism attack, there were a lot of tourist shrines. as i understand, it was popular with hindus. so that's exactly the type of thing that you would say terrorists do, to say that's an attack on the economy but not against a society that you would typically view terrorism, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. >> perhaps we can understand that this is a government that's run by -- after military, they want to control the media, they want to control the message, and they probably think that this would tamp down on any sort of panic. but having that said, consider we were in a global fight against terrorism, shouldn't

they just come forth and be completely honest with us so that everyone in the region in and around the world can take the right precautions? >> yeah. it's hard for me to see how you could definitively rule out terrorism almost right off the bat. and of course they've had a lot of problems with terrorism in the southern part of the country. you know, just a few years ago there was an attempted attack on israeli officials we believed that was backed by iran, so they've had a significant problem with terrorism and maybe this is an attempt to kind of, you know, tamp down on that a little bit and not let that come to the forefront. but the bottom line is to rule that out, i'm just curious, i would like to see their basis for doing that. >> yeah, there's no doubt the death toll is horrific, and a lot of people would like to know more. what about the unlikelihood of al-qaeda or isis or some unnamed group. >> that's a possibility. if you look since 9/11, you have jihaddist groups

operating in a way, way wider birth of territory than they had done since the twin towers came down. and i think we had success initially in the war on terrorism. but right now there are a lot of hot spots where these various groups can plan. and as we've seen, you can have groups that actually come up, kind of organically in a given area that are then inspired by isis and later choose to join isis. so both the groups will project strength, and then you also have groups that come up and then essentially subscribe to some of the major terrorist groups that we know are operating. >> and of course the idea that this total disregard for anyone's religion makes it even more worrisome. representative, thank you very much. we really appreciate it. >> any time. >> to a military threat that's getting bigger, officials say that isis is showing a pattern of attacks with chemical weapons. if our enemy is evolving, then

maybe we should too as well. when we heard about isis, they were not supposed to have mustard gas in the first place, but if they have no problem using it, then it is time for us to figure out a game plan. >> yeah. we just draw another red line, charles. but in all seriousness, we're not hearing anything from the administration about a plan, with we don't have a lot of people on the republican side saying anything of value, we have donald trump saying we're going to go in there and surround them and take their oil, and then the bush days and put 10,20,000 troops in there. look, we really to need figure out how to get the arab nations engaged, the arab nations have to fight this fight. we should help them, we should give them defiance or whatever we need to do, give them intelligence. the fact of the matter is

start out with a very big effort in the air to deal with isis, they left the field after a couple of weeks. the saudis are busy with the hutus in yemen. so what they need to do is encourage and stand up to isis themselves and then we can help. >> but, sir, we've got two issues. one the strange bed fellows and alliances we may have to form and someone like turkey on the other end the killing appeared to have been the most her oak fighters against isis and secondly we've pumped a billion dollars north train the locals and when there was a first sign of danger, they ran. >> there were a lot of questions that you just asked. first off, they're not. the iraqi arm is not really much of an army, and they need to be trained at some point, but we've been training those guys for a decade and they're still not able to stand up and fight. we've been giving them arms, training, intelligence, and they're really just not up to

the job. as for the turks, they have been fighting not just the pkk, the supposed terrorist organization, but the turks themselves. i mean the curds have there been the main fighters against isis. we should be arming them and obama has not done that and it's up to us to prepare them to get after isis. again, there are on other people out there i don't believe iran is someone we should ever be partnering with. these people are simply going to support terror as they always do. they've got to get another 100 billion or so in funds for terrorism, thanks to this iran deal, solar a lot of things we have to do. yeah, there are going to be people we don't want to align ourself with and there are a lot of people in the world who are very much friends with us. but sometimes we've got to bite our tongue and then just go ahead and try to support them anyway. >> again, with the -- when i see scenes of what the curds

did and they fought over rubble, my heart goes out to them. >> absolutely. >> they could be coordinated enough to be an offensive weapon, and it always goes back to the notion is there any truly way we could avoid not putting some american boots on the ground to get the job done once and for all? >> well, the problem as you are not going to get the job done once and for all. you're got an defeat the ideology unless you fight it. you're not going to stand up and say we're going to create a government here. it's not going to work, charles. what we have to do is create good deals and bad deals. we need to be able to go and support some arab governments and not others. >> right. >> it's not something we're ever going to see peace and stability. there's not going to be a time in our lifetimes when we go back to september 10th, 2001. >> yeah. we take it even further. thanks a lot. really appreciate it. so how much should we give up to stop an attack here? now, at&t reportedly working very closely with the nsa to spy on millions of americans.

katrina says private companies need to stop selling us out in the so-called name of safety. at&t, they would say, listen, this is just something that we're doing, we're going to help americans, we talk about terrorism every day. they may think they're playing a heroic role here. >> well, that's the thing. are they or aren't they? because what these latest announcements have shown us, charles, is that not only that the government has been lying to us about what they're taking and how much they're storing but actually at&t themselves have been lying to the american public. they have pretended to be this victim this whole time by saying, oh, we just have to follow the law but, in fact, we know now that they sought out the government after 9/11 saying how can we help? and this is bigger than verizon, charles. we're talking about 300 million cell phones swiped a couple of years ago. this is billions per day. we're talking e-mails, phone calls, phone numbers, anything that traveled across an at&t pipeline, including its

facilities like comcast have all been spied on by the u.s. government. >> and someone from at&t may say, hey, listen outside of individual acts of terrorism, we haven't had the coordinated kind of thing since 9/11, so it's been worth the effort. >> well, so they say. but we have had attacks, and we've had attacks recently in the last couple of years. if, in fact, they were just targeting suspicious people. but what these documents show is that it's not just suspicious people and it's not just foreign contacts. this is right here domestic spying. we have whistle blowers that are out there saying they have put in taps. and this is all feeding, not to dc, charles, this is feeding at the office out of the united nation, this has got to stop. >> you know, you have chris christie and rand paul got in a scuffle over this, it seems that people not just outside the aisle but in political parties don't know how to deal with this. is there some level of spying that we should accept as

americans on other americans or other visitors to this country? >> well, you know, random fall pawl is right. we do have a method for this, and it's called a warrant. they can spy on all the people they want, it's the domestic spying that's the problem here. i live in garland, texas, we had terrorists come to texas, and they were using a terrorist twitter handle, and no one caught that. is it working or is it not working? that's the question. they need to get warrants if they want to spy on american citizens, period. >> yeah, this is a huge story, we're tired of getting patted down at airports and regular people, someone call wisconsin, the chicago, we know; right? you know someone is calling yemen over and over again from indianapolis, maybe that's a red flag as opposed to the other billions. thanks a lot, katrina, appreciate it. >> thank you. cavuto: and toxic reputation but could another bigger spill actually be coming real soon? can a business have a mind?

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they not only refused, they threatened me. >> oh, gary says he will not be surprised if this all happens again. and why not, gary? >> charles, the epa was warn. they were told, they were pleaded with just five to six months beforehand by geologist and leaders don't do this. you're upping up a can of worms. but when you're a government agency like the epa, you have a machete in one hand, a bat in the other. you do whatever you want to do, and look what happens. and after it's all said and done, they took 24 hours to notify people, the new mexico governor didn't even know -- found out from an indian reservation and you end up in a situation like this. the epa needs to get their house in order or else. they're too big, too bloated. >> but the fact of the matter as their not going to get smaller, at least thunder administration. >> no. >> and i think the arrogance

that goes with a lot of these agencies. this is back to your point that if something like this was brewing right now, then the dam is going to break literally. >> well, welcome to government, and i always go back when i talk to epa all the time, charles, on my radio show, i look at the stocks, which is at 20 cents right now and all the other coal companies. they were determined with this administration to destroy the industry, they destroyed massive wealth in that industry and now they're trying to go after other things, they're trying to create this big superfund by going afte these mines, and you get a problem like this. the problem is they think they're smarter than anybody else, and you end up with a river looking like it is right now. >> isn't that the point right now, the epa particularly after the supreme court decision, which essentially made them just -- you talk about a machete and bat, but i would say it's more like the

most amazing batterying ram i've ever seeing, this is president obama pushing through the agenda and i don't know if they care about things like what happened in colorado, as long as they can achieve their ultimately objective. >> well, i think it's about control. they're going after the biggest parts of the economy, they want after health care, got the job done, they're going after energy. with the climate change, global warming deal, maybe right or wrong, but there's a way to go after the environment and it's not this way. it is not being heavy handed, it's not going in there -- when you're told please don't do it, we know what's going on here and if you come through, these mines wait you want to, you're going to have big problems and boom big problems. and, by the way, if this was a private company. >> yeah. >> there would be hell all over the place, there would be fines, fees, talk of jail time. now all we're going to see is taxpayer dollars paying the fines out. welcome to the world. >> yeah. i've got to tell you. that's one of the more egregious parts to this whole story too. gary, thanks a lot, buddy, we'll see you soon.

>> pleasure, charles. >> and green that's causing taxpayers a whole lot of green, to raise taxes now in exchange they were going to create green energy jobs. three years later, only one-tenth of those jobs that were promised have even been created. market proses the free market speak for itself and if we do, it will save us all a ton of money. jim, this is a story that happens over and over again, and it's the government picking win he's or losers, taxing one part of the economy, promising something it can't deliver in the other part. >> hey, charles, it sounds great, if we could get all of our energy from the sun and the wind, what a wonderful world it would be, but that's not the way it works. when the government makes these great speeches about how we're going to prominent these kind of renewable energies that are good for the environment, it all sounds good. but if they were to say it in the correct way, it wouldn't sound so good. if they were to say we're going to take endless amounts of taxpayer dollars and give

them to companies that are never going to be profitable with all about 25% of which are foreign in the first place, so they're going to american companies, and we're going to continue to promote these businesses that are losing more and more money and, by the way, this same businesses are contributing a lot to our capital. this is the worst form of crony capitalism going today, and it keeps getting worse. it used to be charles, when they give you grant or a tax credit, so you would have some skin in the game. maybe a 30% tax credit. now they're giving grants and free loans. endless amounts of your money and my money. societies a bad deal all the way around for taxpayers. >> yeah. i remember a few years ago when they were bidding on a lot of these big solar projects, and if you went to the website, it was shocking to me because we're talking a billion here, a couple hundred million here, whatever it was, ultimately they had permanent jobs, single diligence, like, seven permanent jobs. and the reason i think this is

critical is we're not looking backwards, this is a central issue for the 2016 election. hillary clinton is saying i want this same sort of mandate, allow me to go after the corporate balance sheet, take money from there, and i'll rewrite the rights and wrongs of society, i'll create jobs, and i'll make winners out of losers. >> well, it's central plan. and we've seen what central planned governments do all over the world. unfortunately, we keep trying to mci am that model, and it's a failed model. you can't do it this way and here's the reason why. unless you're a business that's doing something that is self sustainable, unless you're a business owner that is struggling to meet a payroll so you're doing everything you can in the right way, that business isn't going to be run efficiently. and when businesses are run by the government, they're never run efficiently, and that's why they need more and more taxpayer dollars to keep them going. but the problem goes beyond that, the taxpayer dollars end up recycling to those politicians pockets, and i wish they would all wear these

nascar patches to say who is giving them the money because the money gets recycled, and it's not the kind of recycling they promote, the green recycling, this is your taxpayer dollars. >> and the lack of jobs being created and opportunities for american people. thank you a lot, appreciate it. we do have more breaking news right now, in fact, it's on hillary clinton. an official with the investigation the clinton e-mail server tells fox that the number of potentially classified e-mails has grown again, and it's beyond 63. monitoring this very, very closely. meanwhile, guys, we're broke, the country is broke in washington, they keep passing it up, but wait until you hear who ben carson is blaming

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charles: ben carson getting buzzed for blasting our budget mess, the presidential candidate hitting on what we've been saying on this network for years that both parties are to blame. >> i've got to tell you. it's been both democrats and republicans who have been blowing up the budget and destroying the future for our young people. you know we hear about the national debt, 18.5 to 19 trillion. i mean we can say those numbers, but do we understand what they mean? . charles: the party patriots cofounder on whether or not republicans could be doing more to fix this problem. why did you start laughing? >> because it goes without saying. look, the whole tea party movement is founded on the idea that both republicans and democrats have been out of control literally for decades, the movement really started during the bush administration with the bailout fiscally out of control, and both parties

are to blame, carson is speaking to the masses. >> . charles: he is. but there's something to be said for the establishment in dc, and i think the tea party put a dent in it initially and then they were on the run for a while, but after this midterm election when the same people kept the same leadership positions, we haven't seen much change out of washington d.c. from either side of the aisle. >> no. i agree with you. but in our country, change bubbles from the bottom up. and look at the candidates that they're leading here in this presidential election, you've got outsider candidates like donald trump, carly fiorina, ben carson, even senator ted cruz who works like an outsider but he's inside. these push against the cartel and i think that's the grassroots speaking loud and clear. charles: one thing i do say, mark, and i think ultimately the american public has some of this -- has to bear some of this problem because we always say throw the bums out except our bums.

the return rate is mind-boggling and yet we all hate congress, we hate dc. and that gets to the heart of the matter. what are we willing to give up as citizens? could someone actually run a campaign and say, hey, i want to be your senator, and bring home less pork. >> i think they can as long as the people believe it, they're tired of being duked. so if you say you're going to cut the budget but not their part of the budget, they know going to have your stuff away, they're not buying it. if they really believe that someone was coming to the table with solutions and those solutions required their sacrifice, if they really believed it, we are a nation that has a proven history of sacrifice. charles: now, having said that, i think that's what we're sawing. 2016 is going to be about this who is we want sacrifice, we want it to be authentic, an outsider, or the other part of the argument or the other part of the election will be, hey, you're going to get more goodies under me. where do you think we're going

to go. >> you know, i think people largely understand that more goodies is not possible or not possible here in this country any longer. i mean you heard the deficit talked about by your previous guests, $19 trillion and climbing, it's just outrages. it can't last. something where the numbers work, it's going to come crashing down, i think the american people know. that's why you're seeing these particular candidates rise up . charles: yeah, well, we keep spending a lot more than we take in and at some point we do become greece. mark, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. charles: next the country's sounding the alarm on china, but are our businesses really going to be hit that hard? they're afraid. that's next these two oil rigs look the same.

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charles: american companies climbing the great wall? more companies here warning that china is hurting them. to chris very says who says we should be worried. chris, why should we be worried? outside of typical counterfeits we always dealt with china, has it gotten worse? >> the biggest thing, charles, if you look at vector, velocity of the global economy, you have to keep tabs on the big four horsemen. the united states, china, japan, eurozone and germany and france

and other countries china is slowing. no doubt about it. that will impact the global economy and companies and companies we want to invest in and amount of business they're doing so of course it's important. charles: although last week with the devaluation of their currency a lot of people interpreted that as an attack on america and currency war, rather than china saying hey, we've gotten ahead of ourselves and we need to jump-start our own economy. is this preservation or they launching a trade war with us? >> they have tried to stimulate the economy two, three times. you look at same data i do. get monthly economics, pmi data and manufacturing continues to slide. i think they're taking a play from ben bernanke's book, cut interest rates, devalue the currency, try to boot up the net exports. we haven't seen it happen with china yet. this is the same plan the european central bank took on back in january and we're starting to see every at last

few months, net exports grow in italy, spain, other countries grow in the eurozone. i think that's what they're trying to do. don't forget, charles, you bring up a great point about the currency, it will impact china's trade with the u.s. they will trade with other countries where the delta between currencies isn't as steep. that will hurt us. charles: american companies, i don't think americans realize how important the global economy is. you hear the politicians talk about corporate profits at all-time high. that is not proxy for america. a large portion comes out of this country particularly china, whether you're apple or caterpillar. how do companies deal with this? it will certainly have some impact. we don't know to what degree? >> a great question, and a great point. depend on the companies. you have some companies in the u.s. are largely u.s. focused. you love the rails, i like the rails, it's a u.s.-centric business. we have multinationals.

sometimes geographic distribution can help them out. they might sell in one country and source in another. that can help the profit line, cancel each out a little bit. other side will be currencies and now with all the devaluation going on we'll have some protective measures start to impact companies, start to impact the bottom line and it means that at some point too, they will come undone. so, you know, kind of a moving target, particularly as -- charles: chris what about these companies then? with can be done so there are more opportunities domestically? because that is what china was doing initially, they were trying to pump up their domestic economy. why don't you see that here? we talk about the fed, talk about extraordinary measures but no one on main street says they honestly don't feel it. there is not more money chasing fewer goods because there is not more money, there is not more money? >> you're absolutely right. look at payroll population and

workforce participation ratio and yeah, there isn't a lot of money. i was talking to people last week, what if we went back to something in the 890's, a buy america type of policy and mentality? that would be fantastic for american companies. charles: think it would be chris. thanks, buddy. talk to you real soon. homebuilder stocks are rocking today. they're jumping on homebuilder sentiment which clipped to the highest level in nearly a decade. we're talking about it on the show and talk more tonight. new clues, is apple testing a car but is streaming tv service a sign how long it could take? in other words, will we have an apple car or like the tv, delayed and delayed and delayed? we'll talk about it next. ♪

>> i'm jeff flock at the cme in chicago. we're watching oil. it has been a ride today. look at the intraday chart. i look at last trade, we're down 20 cents. 42.91 for west texas intermediate. we don't have a chart. canadian crude is getting hammered because that refinery outage near chicago, mainly processes western canadian crude. and there is not much market for that right now in the $20 range. we'll continue to watch oil. it was as high as $62 a barrel just in june, if you look at the three-month chart. it has had quite a ride down.

gas prices not following it so much. i'm jeff flock at cme in chicago where we continue to watch oil today. "cavuto: coast to coast" continues after this. technology empowers us to achieve more.

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executives reportedly scouting locations to test self-driving cars near the apple headquarters right now but dave manning says, judging but how long it took them to make the tv apple fans probably shouldn't get their hopes up too high. dave, i don't know they were ever as enthusiastic about the tv as some apple heads might have been but the car sounds a little sexyier. >> well it sounds, sexy, charles, you start to get under the covers and a lot more complex than it looks at first glance. a couple of things or things that silicon valley does really well are greenfield things or something like uber where they step in to surround a market without a huge amount of logistics without moving thing on the ground. the car business doesn't work that way. it has giant physical requirements. so you can do something like operating system, like google does for android but if you start trying to say, i want to build a whole car you have

regulatory mess, labor mess, materials, subcontractors, it is a different ballgame. charles: although that path is already being blazed by people like google and others so, they don't necessarily have to reinvent the wheel. certainly there are all kinds of pressure on washington, not just with this but drowns and other parts of parts of technology -- drones. i think it will be inevitable in american life but up to d.c. to expedite it but why wouldn't apple be successful in this? doesn't seem like as hard as it was even a couple years ago? >> well i mean if you look what tesla did, tesla didn't build factory from the ground up. tesla bought a factory from the toyota-gm joint venture and got a giant head start in that way. there is not a lot of high-tech, cutting-edge manufacturing plants laying around to do that. if you think they will do what they do with the phones themselves and have some, giant chinese factory that makes them all, i just think it is a lot, i think it is a lot more

complicated than it looks. charles: dave, thank you very much, buddy. we really appreciate it. tesla shares up nearly 4 1/2%. morgan stanley analysts saying they will be owning this whole self-driving market real soon but liz macdonald, she is not buying it. why not? >> i talk to a lot of analysts on wall street and they're still concerned that tesla only has 1 1/2 billion bucks on balance sheet. this at time when it is building out supercharging networks in in asia and united states and battery factory to build lowered estimate for the electric car vehicles. we don't know when tesla will hit apple's equivalent market cap as elon musk wants to do but there is still pressure on the stock. charles: there might be pressure but it has been amazing performer. if we pull up five-year. >> it could be short-covering. charles: face it the target is 67% higher. analysts upgrade a stock, target

goes from 44, to 45. somewhat after gutsy call for morgan stanley. having said that, elon musk could raise more money, couldn't he? that shouldn't be a problem. >> i'm just reporting back wall street sources tell me the concerns are about the stock. charles: look at five-year chart. >> could they do another stock raise which would add dilution and go into the debt markets to do debt financing for very ambitious goals. elon musk, comes out with these statements, that needs to be put into perspective i own as chunk of shares. charles: this 600 million-dollar offering, he keeps putting his money where his mouth is. >> it is exciting stock with the thrills and spills. we're watching pressures on balance sheet. charles: a lot of people don't think he is a modern-day p.t. barnum. thanks a lot. >> sure. charles: bernie sanders taking shot at donald trump but is the

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took off from the store in indiana and wound up shooting himself. this comes on heels of another incident recently where a suspect was also in trouble for shoplifting. apparently the police go to this store so often, charles, the mayor is saying this store is a public news sentence. he wants to fine walmart $2500 every time they get called to the store of the problem with all this, charles, why is this walmart's fault? charles: yeah. >> clearly this town in indiana, oak grove, indiana, with its population. they're the ones that keep, beach grove, forgive me, they're the ones keep winding up in all this trouble. why is it walmart has to pay the price? charles: sounds really, really outrageous to me. if a bank gets robbed they might as well give away the money. counterintuitive in many

respect. >> they need it. think about the reality is, you will get far cheaper goods attht anywhere else in town. charles: although nothing is cheaper than the five-finger discount. >> and, and, of course not just cheaper goods, you have all those jobs and all the people being employed. charles: yeah. >> if i'm walmart, the heck with this, who needs this town, i can open up next door to get better situation. i think it comes back to sort of this responsibility thing. charles: sure. >> the clearly the population itself has a tendency to be rather -- i guess willing to engage in some of these acts that are problematic. charles: it feels like we're excusing or certain degree enabling this kind of stuff it will make it worse, not better. i can't wait to see how the mayor defends his actions when he speaks to you. >> nor can i. charles: thanks be trish regan. emac is trying to get in.

we've got charlie gasparino with us as well. >> just on that story quickly, just on the story quickly the mayor was saying essentially his own cops, he only has four cops, every day they practically to be walmart security, when walmart doesn't pay taxes into the local town. that is what he is saying is issue. charles: why, i'm sorry, gerri willis, why wouldn't, but why would you fine walmart for someone stealing from walmart? i don't get it. >> he is saying walmart needs to step up security. charles: they are. they have cameras. >> only one off-duty cop that leaves at noon. that is what the mayor is saying. charles: they're telling walmart if you don't beef up staff security and taking these guys down? >> yeah. charles: essentially walmart, get a posse. get a posse and pay for it. >> they don't pay taxes? >> no. they pay into the local district. >> population is 4,000 -- hold. >> hold on, gerri. >> you couldn't afford to needed to buy.

this has been a godsend to some small towns. charles: i agree. >> apples and oranges here. she has the backstory, the backstory is not paying taxes. charles: they're paying taxes somewhere. they're paying taxes somewhere. >> charles, they're paying taxes into local district that walmart sits in, not the whole town. the town is left at risk, stranded with no cops, because there are four cops -- charles: walmart is paying someone to -- >> they have their own little district, not to the town. charles: so the district should provide them with security. >> they're not. four cops for the town. charles: if the town is walmart's town. they're only entity there? >> the town cops show up at walmart. all of their cops often show up at walmart, that leaves other residents stranded. >> is this special tax district? they have only one person to blame. themselves. >> that's right. >> they negotiated with a local bigger town. not that little town.

charles: i feel, walmart, these people run amok. walmart should be responsible for that? >> they have to clearly figure out something in terms of how they're taxed. they are getting away with not paying taxes to the town think want to defend them. that is a problem for a cash-strapped police force no matter which way you cut it. >> that is the thing. charles: by the town saying, by the town singling out walmart -- >> only one place -- charles: do you think they're enabling with a wink, nod, people may be considering robbing wall mart? >> they don't have the money. they don't have the money. they have three incidents a way at that walmart. i hear what you say. i'm not defending either one. of the just reporting subtleties. charles: should they get a posse together? >> one thing they're not doing, home depot and lowe's you have to show your bag and receipt. charles: they're not getting there. there is fisticuffs. >> taxing districts? charles: huh? >> simplifying taxing districts. charles: special districts

empowerment zones. >> i get that. walmart beef up your own security. with hundreds of billions of revenue instead of -- charles: gerri, you said the town blew it and shouldn't have negotiated deal. >> the town didn't negotiate the deal t was bigger town. >> she lives in long island, she knows what she is talking about in this sense in -- there are weird towns that encompass, that encompass a big area and inside of that town there is these weird little villages that are different taxing district. >> right. >> it is hard to figure out where certain services are -- dick grasso used to be local police sheriff i believe for man has set. the town of manhasett him and barney fife protecting town from bigger town -- charles: where towns closed down their police departments.

>> right. charles: they have cut some sort of a deal. >> right. charles: i wonder whoever gave them authority to open there, the bigger town, why that bigger up to doesn't provide security or have police department? that is what i'm confused. >> walmart, off-duty guy being there at 24/7, not leaving at noon. >> you could encompass hundreds of miles out there in a cornfield. this is a crazy situation. charles: this is scary stuff. these are not, these are not pleasant scenes. i'm wondering if walmart hires someone and person they hire breaks someone's leg, shoots them in the ankle whatever -- >> who has liability? look, it seems these jurisdictions only have themselves to blame because they carve out special areas. they probably have a special tax assessment. if it's a special tax assessment district, there may be special -- charles: walmart keeps youtube rights and when they show the videos they get paid for it, that is the extra security. >> that shampoo aisle fight went viral.

what happened in that store -- charles: beat mayweather's last fight. >> what about national guard? charles: charlie. >> what are those guys doing there? charles: you're getting crazy. that is embarassment. i guess it gets to the idea local economies suffer so bad they do odd things without thinking through it. >> to get money. charles: walmart is god send for those local areas. >> they absolutely are. they absolutely are. because otherwise you have nothing to choose from. that is the situation i've seen. charles: thanks a lot. i don't know what we planned to talk about. >> bierne any and -- charles: the deadly blast in bangkok right after this. can a business have a mind? a subconscious.

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cashing walts. don't miss me tonight every night at 6:00 p.m. on fox business network, "making money with charles payne." we'll talk about the economic implications of trump's immigration plan. right now trish regan, take it away. trish: thank you very much, charles. 305, everyone, 305, that is the number of emails investigators deemed questionable from hillary clinton's personal email server. welcome to "the intelligence report." i'm trish regan. good to be back. i spent a week in new hampshire with my husband and three little ones getting a little rest and political intel for you. more on that later. breaking knew now, 63 meals are said to contain top secret or classified emails. this might be the beginning. 305 are being exam lindh. sources say this number will likely balloon. hillary clinton made repeated