as well and not a surprise although experts have told us that it looks like there's enough for him to get the iranian deal. thanks for joining us. lou dobbs is back on monday. you can catch my radio show on fox news radio. good night from new york. >> do you care who the next president is? >> no, i do not. >> but i care. i don't want her or him to win either. >> this type of economy is not what america is supposed to be about. stossel: democrats want to spend all of our money and republicans claim that they won't. but is it true? >> we need to build a wall. this candidate makes the race more interesting. if it weren't for me, you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration. >> we balance the budget, cut taxes. >> republican voters have lots of choices and candidates say

that they want to leave people alone. >> all of that stuff can be arranged. stossel: but some are eager to go to war. and happy to lock people up. >> which candidate is best and which is the worst? that is our show tonight. ♪ ♪ >> now, john stossel. [cheers] [applause] stossel: who are you going to vote for? who is likely to win to let me ask the audience. you have a favorite at the moment? most of you? how many for rand paul? okay. how many for donald trump? okay, i'm happy about that. and what about jeb bush for the republican front runner 2 nobody.

okay. we will check back with you later about this and see if any of you change your mind because we have some people that spend every day of setting about politics so that we do not have to. and that is mary katherine ham, opera of hot air and we have matt welch and alice with us. still let's start with you, of the republicans, who is best and worst? >> rand paul is the best for me in the republican field. he is the most serious libertarian running were having a serious chance of winning the nomination. the worst for me by far is donald trump who i think is someone who cannot open his mouth without saying something that isn't true. he lacks the temperament. the mexican government is engaging in an aerial lift of its presidents of the united states of america, he says

things like that. things that are demonstrably untrue and wants to deport citizens and so it's a type of government populism that i think of this country does not need. stossel: mary katherine ham, who is best and worst for you? >> scott walker. i like his record and i like marco rubio's performance and we will see how it pans out. stossel: and who is the worst? >> i have a long time difference with mike huckabee on many policies and i don't like that he kneecaps the entire field talking about entitlement reform is it some kind of crime that we cannot even broach that subject because it has to be dealt with. and i think that that's a cheap shot. i'm also not a fan of donald trump. >> as a libertarian, that means that he's going to be right about half the time.

so he wants to avoid some of the same impression that i would like to avoid. and so i say, the worst, bobby jindal. , he seems to pander more than everyone. but he has so little chance i don't want to waste it on him and i'm afraid i will have to join you guys on trump. he has hugely confident opinions about things. stossel: to me, the biggest one is the deficit spending and the growth of government. america is going broke because current and previous politicians spent and promised so much. today's candidates, i will say

be responsive. >> we balance the budget, jobs, we cut taxes, we balance every budget. >> i have vetoed 20 separate line items. >> he reduced florida spending by 8% per year. my colleague when he was governor of arkansas increased spending by 3% per year. and i should point out that some of the governors were in on office during the sessions and we adjusted for that and this shows how well candidates compared to other governors during the time when they were in office. jeb bush still wins. he does even better and he cut 3% more than the average

governor and much more than any candidate. in almost all of the republicans did better than average against for governor huckabee. what do you guys make of this? >> the republicans actually have a pretty decent bench of those that are willing to cut spending. and don't forget that republicans like to spend that money. it is huge defense budgets and corporate welfare, the kind of thing -- >> republicans are worse than democrats? >> absolutely. those are not cheap. >> it's really hard.

so when someone can do something on the a state level, that's something to command. you are also making the system of government that is supposed to help people do the things that supposed to do and do it in a better way, frankly, if it can be smaller and more manageable. stossel: john kasich says the commerce department not to be slowing down. >> he is right about that. but any candidate that is not going to talk about it as mitt romney decided not to, or cutting military is not serious about it. >> walker, who i thought was serious, cut taxpayer funding on this. >> that's right, on the presidential race so far, spending corporate money, saying that this is crazy, and now he wants to be the president of the

iowa caucus so badly that he will flip-flop time and time again as he has on immigration and it's embarrassing to watch. >> event have been burned with republicans coming in with rhetoric. >> that is part of the reason that he does this because people say why but i believe any of these guys. i will believe this guy who is more fun to listen to. stossel: donald trump says we have to rebuild our infrastructure, roadways and bridges. >> conservatives are upset with people not being conservative enough. the answer is not supported by who is liberal. >> his mouth is moving and words are coming out, but he doesn't know what he's saying. that's just sound and it's going to change tomorrow. stossel: i think he's smarter than that. but let's go back to the point of entitlement. because this is what is going to vary america.

there won't be any money left for anything else if you're going to pay medicare and social security. huckabee says the horrible things that he does, walk or at least says that i'm not going to touch anything that's currently retired, but for my generation we need to be performed. chris christie proposes it returned, carson wants to raise rates. >> is interesting to watch chris christie. he's decided to make entitlement reform part of the a campaign, began his pension reform in new jersey has been a hot mass. he has been shifting money from this pot to that pot and he hasn't delivered on any of the policies so far the. stossel: let's talk about what we do to keep america safe. rand paul and chris christie thought about this. >> i want to collect more records from terrorists but less on innocent americans. 2 is a completely ridiculous

answer. i want to collect more records from terrorists, but less from other people. how are you supposed to know louisiana. >> use the fourth amendment. get a warrant. >> panel? >> i wanted to hear the argument about this and appreciate him going up against chris christie. i thought that chris christie was emotionally manipulative, but i'm rooting for him to bring in some of this discussion. we are a country that exists on a balance between security and if we can't recognize that, we are in deep trouble. >> i think that even rand paul has made a judgment this year's the one i asked my twitter and facebook followers who they thought should be president. stefan van and said donald trump is the hold and to no one, america needs a president that will kick butt and take names. >> honestly, that could matter more than what he says.

it definitely matters more than what he says. we point out his contradictions, that he's in favor of single-payer health care health care until recently, many of them don't care. so it does not matter because even if you say things that aren't true, he still says things that no one else is there going to say. he's running against the media and everybody hates the media and he's running against the establishment. >> why hire the hired the guy on stage saying that he paid a politician. why, i don't believe that guy even though he has a bunch of money, that is going to fix the problem. >> where the guy that use eminent domain to kick a lady out of his house. stossel: those are just facts. and the antiestablishment attitude showed up on my facebook page. the most liked comment was from john who says the next president should be deez nuts. he turned out to be a

15-year-old high school student who wanted to protest the dominance of the two parties in the country. it got 9% of the vote in the north carolina poll. 7% in iowa. >> this gives me hope for america and i need a handkerchief now. [laughter] >> with so many peanut allergies. [laughter] >> this entire primary process as does kind of like the emoticon. stossel: finally for this segment, who is most likely to be our next president to i don't care about the poll and i don't trust them because they're silly at this point, but i do trust the betting which is the most accurate predictor of elections and lots of other things as

well. but since useful prediction markets are stupidly illegal in america we have to turn to europe where this market that's that are allowed and they have hillary as the overwhelming favorite. so her odds of winning are now less than 50% and so they say that it is likely that someone else will be the next president. but hillary is way ahead of every other candidate. governor bush comes in second at about 18%. among the republicans, bush has about 37% chance of getting the nomination and he's way ahead, then comes marco rubio and trump and walker. >> it's early yet, perhaps he could make a comeback. when we return, more on the differences between the candidates and their positions on guns and immigration, gay marriage and drugs. you total your brand new car.

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the one that was donald trump during his first official campaign speech and his popularity exploded. lots of americans are upset about illegal immigration and legal immigration as well. stossel: is that what americans want? i don't. i agree with hillary of all people. >> we cannot wait any longer for a path to full citizenship. >> what is your say? who is telling the truth and making stuff up? >> it's certainly not donald trump or ben carson. so think about it for a second. republicans who have this fiction that we can secure the border and some kind of pathway that will solve the immigration problem.

this has been something for nearly a generation. many of them came here legally. they flew in across the rio grande. and the only way that you can feel the border is to put an ankle bracelet on them in the country. >> we hit many of them and their children, will this work out? >> many say that the trump messages working. >> explained. >> they are here illegally. why not? get rid of them. >> we really don't want them to leave. and there are some jobs, that not very americans want to do. and that is just the truth. >> i think when it comes to immigration a lot of people feel like the feds are talking out both sides of their mouth.

and we are going to make sure that people don't overstayed visas. we will take care of those with criminal records first. and so when someone like this comes up and says mexico is going to pay for it, end of story. it sounds simple and it sounds like something that washington can accomplish. i think that there is fundamental distrust of the federal government on this issue that leads people to say, just throw their hands up and say there has to be a different solution. >> i would also add that i think tactical approach for 10 years, we need comprehensive immigration. that has led to really bad policies like the proliferation of e-verified. they want to make it mandatory for everybody. >> making sure you were legal before you are hired.

>> usually we don't like that. suddenly people freak out and they want that to happen. i think that the problem is we don't look at it as a prohibition problem which i think it fundamentally is. when i many people are doing something illegal, that's a problem. ronald reagan understood that, the modern gop does not. see one understood that and said let's let more people in the want work and fewer people. you would think that republicans don't want this and yet the polls are showing that they do. should undocumented immigrants currently in the united states meet certain requirements be allowed to stay in the country? 61% of republicans, 80% of democrats, 61% of republicans say yes to that. >> than they think about all the people that stood in line like suckers. that's how people think and they are torn on that. >> and the audience response to that. three candidates have slipped.

>> john mccain was a comprehensive immigration reform supporter. he had to make a terrible ad there, which is totally opposite to his public career and service in order to win the nomination. >> let's not forget now president obama in these debates, comprehensive immigration reform always has him objector that closes up. >> what do you mean? >> he has ruined some amendments . >> democrats could have touchless and they didn't. stossel: coming up next, the candidates positions on guns, gay marriage and others. >> as president president of the

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patients it desperately needed. it's interesting that about half of them say colorado, washington, people like rand paul and rate perry are leading the way on criminal justice reform. >> texas dropped crime. >> in texas we are closing prison and in california we are building it. >> while i don't think that that is the greatest idea, i'm happy to let colorado and washington experiment? it's one of these issues that the left and the right ought to be able to get together on. and we can save some money with the conservatives. [laughter] >> frankly, i'm a little bit sad

that it hasn't gone further. rand paul is a perfect example. you ought to step up and do it. >> what's going to gay marriage. the democratic candidate suddenly supporter. republicans all disagree. >> i have always said the government shouldn't discriminate and so i have been in favor of civil unions for longtime. >> marriage is between a man and a woman. >> the court has ruled and will accept it. >> all of that can be arranged through contracts. >> a special circle for bobby jindal, if you don't mind. after it came out, is chris christie was to marijuana reform, bobby jindal is to this. >> ted cruz wanted to subject this as well. subject them to elections which is crazy. >> by the way, can the press stop attending the democrats are in favor of this and also that

asking a republican that they would go to a same-sex marriages must important issue in america. [inaudible] >> just add to marco rubio, he opposed the adoption, saying that we are not going to have another social experiment. >> let's go on to taxpayer funded abortions. you've probably seen some of those videos showing workers about this. many have pledged to defund planned parenthood. >> it's terrible. don't you want to save those lives? >> did you watch the videos 2.

>> we ought to get out there and are the people that are suffering from those terrible diseases. >> that's an easy thing to say when you are actually not able to watch these people. >> medical stuff makes you want to put your fingers in your ears. >> aside from that, why should taxpayers fund it? >> they don't. >> but they do. some of that money goes for abortions. and i think that abortions should be legal in most cases, but some consider it murder. why should they have to fund it? one rich liberal could pay for all those abortions. >> we have the argument about us being a democratic society. >> big governments, by itself, is offensive. when the government is doing a lot of things, it will do things to a defend you that you won't like. if we are going to live in a

democracy, sometimes we are going to have to swallow things that you don't like. stossel: finally, guns. republicans go out of their way to show their support. >> i strongly believe in the legal right for legal citizens, to be able to carry. >> they ought to be able to do it. >> i believe in so strongly, you need protection. >> this was donald trump that wanted to ban assault weapons. >> but if you point that out, people don't believe you. >> there's not a lot of difference between republican candidates, they are all pro-gun, democrats, sometimes they are exceptionally anti-gun. >> earnie sanders in vermont where guns have been easily available for years. >> yet he has an idiosyncratic idea with exercising personal freedom. >> crazy talk. [laughter]

to people in new york find this crazy talk, but in much of the country you can get a conceal and carry permit instantly and there's no more crime because of that. next, the panel takes on the democrats. bernie sanders drawing huge crowds and hillary is in trouble. is it true? can a business have a mind?

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a love affair. a quest. the next horizon. everyone loves the chase. ♪ >> i want to get up every single day going to work for you, standing up for you. and i think by now that people know that i won't quit. stossel: she will not quit until she's president. but i'm told now that she's no longer a shoe in at the race and the race is getting tighter. >> bernie sanders has 20,000 people at his rally.

>> killy clinton is losing more ground in the polls, but who is in the best position to exploit it? >> joe biden, bernie sanders. >> has there ever been a shred of evidence in the 34 years that joe biden has been trying to run for president? that there has ever been a groundswell of support for the man 2. >> i have been to an event in iowa and it's a desolate thing. i do think it's likely that he would have more support this time around. he will be incredibly prone on the trail and hence very entertaining and i'm sure the press will be friendly to him. >> my problem is that i can see the deficit, that you can smooth out a lot of this. and i think that all politicians

have that. but when you have personal skills, sometimes you can smooth over some of those unpleasant things. >> the joe biden candidacy, conan o'brien made fun of who is going to run. >> or could be reasons i don't run but there's no obvious reason to me why i should not run. [laughter] >> i think that this is unfair because of a cameras on you all the time, you're going to say some stupid things. is he really that much worse? >> yes, he is a funny figure. i think what he doesn't do is scratch a democratic edge. and while there are plenty of people that could find fault with them, i don't know anybody who really hates him or doesn't like him would think that he

would be an adequate democratic nominee. stossel: let's look at the accurate predict your on this. hillary is still at 71%, joe biden is not 13%, 12%, the others 2%, elizabeth warren, 1%. and it looks like hillary and she and all of your people want to spend more and i don't get this. how can you justify this? >> republicans say they are saving tons of money. >> joe biden is in the 2008 campaign that even admits that we will be able to pay for everything. this is just nonsense arithmetic >> this is a beautiful functional country and i don't want you talking about it in any other way. >> the democrats are better than

most of the republicans. hillary says she's okay with medical marijuana. what about the other? >> biotin is a drug warrior. >> hillary is as hawkish. >> i agree with. >> what did she have to do to not get the vote reign. [inaudible] >> i would assume you would think the same about all 27 at this point. >> in the end, you are right, she's got that charm problem that i hate, but i think that

she's way better than all of the others. bernie sanders on the issue. who is worse, or do you like them all 2. >> martin o'malley. >> who is best and who is worse? >> you know, i'm not going to give the worst to bernie sanders. i will give it to hillary clinton because she's lying about the malice and she pretends that she doesn't have to follow the rules that everyone else has to follow and best buy would say jim webb. >> i would say jim webb and hillary clinton for sure. and in addition to being transparent ,-com,-com ma she has one of the worst records of any major politician against the freedom of speech and a long record of going against video games and this kind of stuff.

she threw free speech under the bus and blamed it on a crazy guy in california. >> i'm going to second that. >> thank you, panel. coming up next, have the audience members change their mind about their presidential preference based on this discussion? we will confront our panelists coming up next.

♪ ♪ >> now, audience, it's your chance to get involved, some of you already have. josh said his presidential pick is rand paul, the only candidate that understands and defends the principle of liberty. >> i agree, except what about jerry johnson reign. >> did any of you change your vote during this discussion? still about 10 rand paul supporters. anything you want to ask the panel is?

>> out of these candidates, i want to know why most don't speak about the real culprit, the federal reserve and how many are not pushing for this. >> it sounds complex and boring to most normal americans. >> also true. >> but with the scapegoating, you're right, it's also something that the sitting president has done his entire career. >> question for the democratic party representative. with obama having doubled our debt to 18 trillion, giving greece this situation, with out what point is the magic number where we become greece. >> greece is a beautiful and functional country. [applause] >> one of the great things is

lowering the deficit, what might surprise you to know is how much of that was created by those wars. >> we don't want to cut anything. >> that's absolutely not true. >> hillary wants to do both. >> i will embrace her on one side and fight her on the other. >> scott walker took on the teachers union and one. then he flip-flopped on immigration.

>> it is a top choice of mine because he had taken on these high-profile fights. and yet he has shown his tendency to buckle when pandering would do better. >> he is intelligent, well spoken, doesn't have those answering this. >> he has compared gay marriage to be theology, he has the same ability to say things that make you say, my god, is this actually happening? but he does it in this way. >> he's learning, he's one of the best beakers out there. >> and if you need surgery, he is the one. >> i like that donald trump is charismatic. what is your view on that is the

chief issue of electing the next president. >> so you can say save your a fan of barack obama? >> well, barack obama is a charismatic person. his selling point is his charisma and his personal narrative. stossel: thank you, panel. coming up, i will rank the candidates best to worst. what super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles. super poligrip is part of my life now. technology empowers us it pushes us to go further.

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[cheers] [applause] stossel: i made a list of this year's presidential candidate and rank them from best worse. here is my list. all of these people really are running or are about to run. including some that you may not have heard of. i admit that my list is not scientific. i'm alit libertarian. there are some like mike huckabee and chris christie that denounced libertarianism, which makes me think that they are

clueless about what government does. that basically every the candidates on how much they want to micromanage our lives or involve us in dubious foreign wars. those who recognize the harm often done by get points. also getting points for shaking things up. >> our leaders are stupid, our politicians are stupid. stossel: at least he says something that really makes sense. and i like his willingness to speak at times. but it's absurd to think that mexico will fund construction of a giant wall on its border. one poll has hispanic voters favoring hillary over donald trump, 70%, i want an america that trades with the world and brings the message of free markets and liberty to every part of the population. not just any white guys. liberty is good for everyone.

i like marco rubio's speech about his parents coming to america so they could have what we did. >> my family came to america because it was the only place where people could have a chance. stossel: unfortunately, he and other republicans are big on ending things. like hillary, they seem eager to get america into more wars. >> radical islam is on the rise, iran is on the verge of firing a nuclear weapon, china is waging cyberwarfare against america. >> so we are going to go to war against all of them? it should be a last resort. i would really like to see a president that is humble and recognizes the limits of state power. in many ways the command and control goes bad, that's something that donald trump and hillary do not understand. hillary says this about her

republican opponent. >> if you look at their policies, most of the other candidates are just donald trump about the pizzazz or that hair. >> that is not true. many of this year's candidate are serious people proposing serious policy changes. and a couple are very different because they acknowledge the harm that government does. >> sadly, he's falling in the polls cents. >> if only more politicians believe that. but most do not.

so i just posted my candidate list at johnstossel.com. i would love to know what you think. tell me where i am wrong or right. i realize that it's not likely that next year it will bring it. but fortunately presidents don't determine most of what goes on. people say who is going to run the country. that is ridiculous. politicians from the government. the important stuff in life, friendships we form, products that fill our homes and music that we consume. the stuff of life, almost all of that happens thanks to free markets and individual initiatives. independent of who is president or senator or governor. we run america and they don't, let's not forget that. that is our show, see you next

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