that's correct. karen agrees with the right to die legislation. she says -- very good, and well-expressed opinions tod anduite sho thinwe h. hleycher, thk yovery ch ieed. my time's up. neil, it's yours. neil: just getting on the wires that house speaker john boehner says goal of the back and forth contentious talks on capitol hill with republican troops is to avoid a government shutdown. that might prove easier said than done, getting word of 31 restless republicans who want to make this planned parenthood their cause, that might threaten the shutdown. but shutting planned parenthood down for the time being seems to be a lot more important to them. they're organizing another protest, this one led by rand paul, the opposite end of capitol hill as we had yesterday with the protest over

the iran deal, but the fight is much the same. dissatisfaction with party leadership over how this is handled and how when it cos surrounding it, it will somehow continue getting funding and so to the united states government. blake burman here to sort of go through the tea leaves. where do we stand on, this blake? >> you mentioned this rally, this event that's going to be taking place right now. put on by several pro-life organizations. the headliner will be senator rand paul, the presidential candidate, he will call on congress to defund planned parenthood during that event as part of the budget talks that need to be finalized at the end of the month. this is on the heels of yesterday's iran protest that featured donald trump and senator ted cruz at a capitol hill rally as well. the iran deal is garnering much of the attention here in d.c. as the debates and the votes take place throughout the upcoming week. the topic of today's protest,

though, is what many are looking at down the road as the battle that could potentially stymie congress. a bloc of conservative republicans want the health services clinic which provide abortions raised questions about planned parenthood's practices in dealing with research tissue from aborted fetuses. however, that is certainly something president obama would not sign into law, and the senate majority leader viewed as much of the establishment here. mitch mcconnell cautioned as much. the question becomes going forward, could it lead to a government shutdown at the end of this month? much like the fight over obamacare in 2013. and for context, when you're talking about budgeting and you know and spending programs, you're talking hundreds of billions into trillions of dollars in cases. planned parenthood received less than a billion dollars of federal money each year. those take up the issue say

they shouldn't receive a time. neil? neil: it is a very contentious issue. i want to bring you up to date whether the fight over planned parenthood whether to fund the organization is worth or risking shutting down the united states government. mcconnell has regularly cautioned against using this as an anvil threat saying there is no education, quoting here other in second kick of a mule. i think i get what he's saying that you end up looking like a ass. that's just me do, that on the fly analysis, you can only get on fbn. take a look how any of this is weighing on the corner of wall and broad. stocks are up on the day, if there looks like there might be a shutdown and this gets worse the plus signs could reverse themselves. gina louden, your worry is that

republicans worry too much about process, that there's such a thing as fighting the good fight for the good cause. is shutting down planned parenthood worth that good cause and shutting down a government to force the issue? >> unequivocally, neil. this absolutely must happen if the gop wants to be taken seriously. and this is the thing, they have a very fascinating trump card they've never had before. you know they could parade donald trump to take this issue to be courageous on it because we know this polls well with all voters, this planned parenthood issue. this is not even a pro-life, pro-choice issue, this is a selling baby parts issue. we are in san diego having a rally about this even here tonight. this is all over the world, even in california which a lot of people don't think is so conservative. and so and this is the other thing, neil. the only people that get all upset about the government shutdowns is newscasters in new

york city, apologies withstanding there, neil, and the bureaucrats on capitol hill. middle america and real people out here, they don't get that upset about a government shutdown. neil: well, they get upset if checks don't arrive, they get upset if the things they took for granted stop happening. federal tour sites, camps or parks are shut down. i what happened you're saying, cathy lynn, is it worth the fight? >> you know, here's the challenge. there are great costs economically and great costs politically, there's no doubt that planned parenthood should be shut down, and needs to be defunded and shut down. however, you know, democrats really raked republicans over the coals with the last shut down. neil: is it fair, mark, one of the things that comes up people forget your cause, they forget what you did in fighting for it, right?. >> that's true. take a look what happened in 2013, a year later republicans took over congress.

neil: so for you it would be worth the fight? >> it would be worth the fight. >> but here's the challenge. >> take a look at this, neil, look at context we're operating in. 7 years of this obama economy, the truck driver in texas, the caterer in cleveland, they don't care about the outcome of the fight. they want to see someone who's going to take on the fight for them regardless of the outcome. >> yes, yes, yes, you make a great point. here's the challenge, right? the average person, let's say who is a cancer patient and is getting funds for their treatment and all of a sudden the funds stop because of a government shutdown isn't going to be that happy. neil: you find abhorrent all the stuff on planned parenthood. >> it's absolutely got to be a better way. defunding planned parenthood doesn't do anything. most of the federal funding from -- that planned parenthood and gets coming through medicaid. neil: i don't want to get off

the key. for the second day running, you have a lot of protesting conservatives, protesting very good causes, the iranian thing was one, this thing today on planned parenthood is another. but they're going after the wrong guy. the guy they should be going after, the leadership that brought us to this point stumbled to this point and again and again is disappointing, folks. that reminds them of the failure of taking advantage of majorities that should not have seen either of these become the soap operas they become, right? >> great point, neil. and i think there's one thing worse than any bad rap that the gop could get for having a spinal cord, that's not having a spinal cord. and as was pointed out, they won the election. let's not forget. it might not feel good in the process, but this congress has got to take a stand, neil. neil: mark, i'll leave you with the final thought. my view of it is we don't want to screw this up.

playing it safe, maybe they're runouth the clock if you can do that, well more than a year before the election, hoping they don't do anything that divides or hurts their chances but you're saying this kind of behavior does just that, right? >> well, it fuels the perception about the political class in washington. 50 to 65% in current polling of republican candidates are outsideers. and there's a good reason for that. people are sick and tired of this nonsense want and the republican leaders in congress to take a stand on something, show some fight for pete sakes. instead, they unilaterally disarm. they say we're not going to seek impeachment, not going to seek a budget shutdown because that wouldn't be good for the economy. that's the democrats' talking points. foolish and take a stand now. >> we can get a lot more done sitting in the white house than we can as a candidate. >> and you do that by speaking to the people dissatisfied with seven years of the obama

economy. they are tired of the political class and we're going to see the next three weeks while they're arguing about the budget, we're going to see the class talk about the details. neil: stranger things have happened. i forgive you for the newscaster's comment, it was a cheap shot. i generally don't think you go that way. that's fine. we love you to death here. in the meantime you have the dustup that was the story yesterday 24 hours ago when there were the protests outside the capitol on the iran situation, and to add to the keystone sense of lunacy, republicans couldn't find a way to deal with the measure in the house. peter barnes on the latest on that. peter? >> reporter: hi, neil. that's right, conservative house republicans have forced their party leaders to scrap a vote on that resolution to disapprove the iran nuclear deal. instead, the house will begin voting today on three related measures. first specifies that the obama

administration has not properly submitted the agreement to congress with complete documentation. second a straight up-or-down vote on the deal itself, and the third would prevent the president from lifting criminally mandated sanctions on iran. critics say the vote should be delayed saying the 60--day deadline clock on congressional view does not start until the administration provides lawmakers with separate side agreements negotiated by iran with u.n. nuclear inspectors. just a few minutes ago, the speaker formally announced his support for this new house plan on the iran deal, saying he believed the president needs to provide those agreements under the review legislation approved by congress in may. >> this is a bad deal with decades long consequences for the security of the american people and our allies. and we'll use every tool at our disposal to stop, slow and

delay this agreement from being fully implemented. >> reporter: now, the primary author of this new house plan on the iran deal, congressman peter roskam of illinois will join us to brief us on the details. neil: peter, thank you very much. peter barnes. now republican senator john barrasso who penned a good column on the entire subject, and what has gone on with this whole iran fiasco. but as you pointed out, senator, the problem was right from the get-go, if you know you have a bad deal it just gets worse, but here we be, right? and republicans don't look like they have their act together. no offense to you. am i miss reading something? >> you're absolutely right about a bad deal. the president wanted it bad, and got a bad deal. allows iran to develop a nuclear capability. it's a pathway to a weapon. gives iran lots of money i think they'll use for terror and terrorism, they've done that in the past.

there's secret deals that we are trying to get to see. we met with the heads of the iaea, international atomic energy agency and couldn't tell us that any american had seen these. neil: the iaea, this is one of the more galling features, the iaea feels it does not have to share whatever it agreed to with iran with anyone, let alone any of the other countries that voted for this. >> that's why i think the democrats -- i think that's why there are democrats opposed to this. senator bob menendez, former chair of the relations committee, senator ben carden, they were in the meeting as was i. neil: what's going to happen, senator? the president's got at least 42 yea votes. what do you? >> the president is using scare tactics. neil: i know i know i know, but what are you going to do? i know you don't like to --

senator, these are tactics your leadership agreed to. >> no, we greed a vote on the floor of the senate and the democrats are filibustering. neil: no, no, your leadership agreed it would take two-thirds vote to override a presidential veto, even though they would overwhelmingly reject the deal as it looks like they will. they agreed to the parameters of the debate that seems all in the president's favor. >> iran's parliament is going to have a vote on this. the u.n. has had a vote on this, and russia has had a vote, but yet the democrats in the united states senate right now are filibustering our attempt to have an up-or-down vote on this. the agreement was there would be an up-or-down vote. i want a vote to disapprove the deal, and the democrats right now are filibustering this, and i think it's absolutely a terrible thing for the country -- >> who is making that lack of a vote possible, senator?

you're a gentleman and a patriot. a lot of your colleagues, senator lindsey graham telling me that ted cruz might mean well, but it's folks like him and donald trump who are complicating this process and preventing a vote, which could at least relay sentiment, how folks like you and your colleagues feel. do you agree with it? >> we need a new president in the white house. this is a terrible deal. barack obama's -- neil: that's not what i asked. he blamed ted cruz for pushing to you this point. do you concur? >> i don't blame anybody who's running for president or any of our senators. i blame barack obama for negotiating a terrible deal, making the world less safe, less secure, less stable and giving iran a path to a bomb. i think the foreign policy has been terrible not just with iran but reset with russia and hillary clinton is much to blame. she is the one and she's actually taking credit. she says for opening the door

to this arrangement with iran, to realize they had to be able to enrich uranium. she's running for pchlt all of our candidates any, of our candidates is better than she will be, and that's why i'm going to support whoever the republicans nominate against hillary clinton, if she is nominated, because she gives a tough talk about iran yesterday, but she's the one that allowed iran to develop the pathway to a bomb. neil: senator, always a pleasure, thank you very much. as the senator is speaking, getting word that the largest electric utility duke energy has agreed to pay a $975 million fine to settle what was about a, gosh, i think this was a better than decade long lawsuit over pollutants it used. on the heels of the epa trying to toughen up regulations on the utilities and increase their taxes and charges to clean up the air and all of that. but could this be an opening salvo what is expected to be a busy check writing season on the part of utilities. so for barack obama, you may

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. neil: all right, welcome back, everybody. you might have heard news out of apple yesterday. a lot of things announced. always people going through a day after the event. what did apple do? take a look at stock. it is up now, prior to the announcement and down after the now. a lot of confusion. what's the upside here? one of the things that hit a lot of people is the fact that apple might be trying to bypass a lot of the wireless providers, and making sure there's a way you can deal directly with them to keep you as a customer. which is very clever in a mob-like way i admire that.

mike is here, jeff and lauren, i guess it's an apple trade-in program. >> yes, the iphone upgrade program apple announced yesterday, it will allow people to upgrade after a year of paying $32. program starts at 32. neil: a month? >> a month, right. and that can increase depending on -- neil: you pay more this way than you would if you pay a lump-sum. >> no, as long as you are trading in after a year. if you wait two full years, you pay a little more, and if something were to happen to your phone ahead of time, that could cost you more. neil: take out the very expensive insurance that never covers any incident i've ever had. >> yes, those can be questionably beneficial, but this upgrade program is for the type of person following apple really closely and wants to upgrade year after year. neil: what do you make of it? good move?

>> is it a brand-new innovation, steve jobs holding up the ipad with the life legacy in front of him. this is dynamite, they can report quarter after quarter, all the people like me will pay to have the new iphone like car lease-style payments. it's a brilliant move. neil: lauren, i wonder, there are such high expectations for apple all the time. i'm a shareholder for decades. they always have to one-up themselves, they're in a league of their own. does that hurt them? >> absolutely. because they're competing with themselves, and you can't reinvent the wheel every single year. as for the apple financed upgrade program, i like it. it puts apple in control, give us your business, keep it coming you're going to get a great device every year, every two years. neil: if you're in the middle of the two-year contract, you

can't get out of it. >> they're slowly getting out of the contracts. iphone sales are more than half of overall revenue every year, it is huge and keeps the customers sucked in. the iphone success -- neil: whatever. >> for the most part. neil: what caught my attention is the bigger ipad. i love it. >> what? neil: calm down! >> what? neil: here's why. i think it's a great device, i do, i think it's a great device. this would be a larger one. >> 13". neil: i'm looking at it and saying i go on the site and can't order until november, and find out the stylus, what they're calling a pencil and thinking steve jobs hated this. this is steve jobs years ago on the very issue of the stylus, listen. >> who wants a stylus? you have to get them and put them away and you lose them. yuck! nobody wants a stylus.

>> it's called apple pencil. [ laughter ] >> and it's apple pencil's path to amazing new technology. neil: a pencil is a stylus! >> people were making fun of it on social media. neil: i don't know, you can call it anything you want, but it's a stylus. is that going to be a big deal? >> i'm skeptical, but for some people, graphic designers, certain niche enterprise use cases call it -- neil: did they deliberately call it a pencil rather than a stylus. >> absolutely. neil: this company seems to lying a lot. maybe not. they said they had a 97% satisfaction rate with the watch, right? that's like the north korean leader said i was re-elected with 100% of the vote. 97%? >> the big problem right now. they've been crying wolf what is and isn't innovation.

they said apple music wasn't an innovation, looked like some uncle's garage. neil: even i didn't say that. >> they said apple pay was revolutionary, they release things too early and haven't proven themselves able to innovate in the disney magical way. >> it's all rehashed, stuff we've seen before. neil: you are very dismissive of me. >> i'm sorry. neil: when are you having your child? you are very annoying. when are you having it? >> one month. october 10th. neil can we talk about the new ipad pro purchase. neil: no, i can't do it. >> but you can in november. $800. plus the $100 pencil. neil: that's great. >> minimum 900. you don't think that's expensive? i know you can afford it. neil: it's cool. more after this.

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neil: all right, you hack the government, you hack anything having to do with the defense establishment. the government, you raise these sort of risks, and now we know. that breach of security clearance information in that cyberhacking fiasco last month well, now we're learning from the government that it poses a significant counterintelligence threat, those are the words they're using, and could compromise the identities of american spies abroad. lieutenant scott not at all surprised, author of game-changers, going local to defeat violent extremists. this confirms what we feared, right? this exposed a lot of our guys abroad to threats and worse, right? >> absolutely. and you know we're in a new era right now, neil, where the violent extremists and the guys targeting us, they are extremely savvy. and they're coming at us from all directions. anything they can do to compromise us and then exploit

that down the road it's going to happen, and nothing is safe anymore, it's getting tough. >> i wonder if all of the hillary clinton e-mails are exposed over the server whether any of this comes up or might have compromised, depending how many were deemed classified then or since to the kind of stuff they fear now. >> look, the game is changing bigtime, and you know unfortunately when you find something like that out, it could be in very unfortunate circumstance us that realize that that compromise has happened. just look at what's going on with the targeting by al qaeda in the arabian peninsula of the wealthy high net worth individuals. the game is really changing and the guys are extremely savvy and broadening target scope well beyond military targets. neil: they want those to be american targets, the richer the better, the more exposed to the united states government, the better. >> i have a book coming out, game changers, one of the things in the book, we might be

tired of the war on global terror but it's not tired of us. they are coming at us hard. by 2005, 2006 we were spending $16,000 for every taliban killed and osama bin laden bragged to a video all he has to do is take two fighters to the east, raise the flag of al qaeda and the guys will come. neil: they woo you in that way. we're also learning as we get more information, colonel, that it could be one of the things where they sell it to the highest bider. >> once the information is compromised, it's promulgated all over the network. whose hands it gets into is anybody's guess. neil: if you're a terrorist around the world and the identities of the individuals leaving just the rich guys who are well-known entities and targets are exposed.

you are in the middle of an operation or doing something clandestine, you're a target. >> they have to take it seriously. the will and capacity of the guys to strike at our doorstep is stronger than before 9/11. neil: this is now information being confirmed in house committee hearings that this has indeed compromised the security of some of these individuals who are essentially working on our behalf and u.s. interests abroad. sort of like our, not only our spies but those who have dealings in any region of the world. their identity has been compromised and down to their name, addresses and exact satellite inputs have been compromised as well. yikes. more after this.

. neil: all right, we got the dow up about 72 points and have interest rates backing up a little bit on news that success good, not only jobless claims on the way down, but the general perception that the u.s. economy is faring well. we told you yesterday about the 5.75 million job openings. interest rates backed up yesterday, 10-year note at 2.22. mortgage rates attached to the security are backing off a tad. they are very, very low. the betting is given the steady as she goes strength, the federal reserve for the first time in upwards of a decade

will finally move on rates and inch them up. the question is when? big meeting next week, we have kevin here, a financial expert whether that happens next week or not. first next week, does it happen next week? >> i don't believe so, neil. neil: really? >> if you think about the fed's mandate, the fed's mandate is price stability, maximum employment, moderate long-term interest rates. they've achieved a lot of that but there's still this issue of low inflation and now we're throwing in global uncertainty the strength of the dollar, what that might do. neil: the world bank begging them not to do this. >> the imf. and i think the fed is going to take that into consideration for something little different of a mandate and will hold off at least another month. >> i want to bring in connell mcshane and dagen mcdowell. if they don't do something at the meeting, it's not as big a deal if they don't do something the rest of the year, right? in other words, they promised it's all but inevitable.

is that like a line in the sand if they don't follow through? >> the expectations were at the end of yesterday that they will not move next week, but the expectation is they will do something that a majority -- i think it was a 60% chance they raise at december meeting. the concern is at this point if the fed doesn't do something, it could be because the economy is so lousy, that would be a dire warning signal to the overall markets and investors. if the fed is so insecure it can't move by the end of the year katy bar the door. >> self-fulfilling prophecy, i guess, they set them up to the points that i have made to set themselves up to buy themselves enough time to do that to the end of the year, and next year the conversation starts to change. what's so bad about this? neil: right, right, the fear is if it continues it's a quarter point, right? so what's the big deal.

is there a sense when they do move, whenever it is, they move in steady increments that this is a start of a cycle where rates go up? >> i don't think you could look at historical perspectives when looking at fed policy for today and going forward. the 25-basis-point move sometime between now and the end of the calendar year is appropriate, and after that, we'll have the whole discussion for the next few months probably. neil: let me ask you, if they don't move by the end of the year, when they telegraph clearly they want to move by the end of the year, doesn't that sort of sound like line in the sand with syria? >> yeah, i think if the fed does not act in calendar year 2015, they are going to have a problem with the market in 2016. they have built this up and built this up, although they haven't said definitively which meeting they'll do it if they do not. they have almost guaranteed 2015, if they do not, we have a problem that's unsettling to the markets.

>> we're all very comfortable with 0% interest rates and the 10-year close to 2% because we are a deeply indebted nation. i know you want to talk about this. when longer term interest rates start going up and 2.22%, what the budget calculations that government does, they factor in maybe a 4% rate a little more than that. so what about when the rates start going up? what is our debt service going to look like? what are our payments on interest going to look like? neil: 18 trillion. >> in five years, debt service payments will be in excess of our defense department's budget. it is the fastest growing line item in the federal budget, our interest cost. >> plan your show now, "coast-to-coast." everybody is living in la la land with the lollipops and

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at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda. . neil: all right, well, we're going to have a pope visiting this country in a couple of weeks and getting a lot of attention. you know how it goes in philadelphia and new york and washington, he will be the it guy. very few pontiffs get the worldwide attention this one has and does, probably because of his positions on things that seem to rank with conservatives in the church whether it's views on homosexuals and gay marriage, views on climate change, pretty much in sync with those like the president

of the united states. they say wait a minute, wait a minute, you shouldn't be pontificating on the views as a pontiff. you see how i worked pontiff into free basic cable. bill donahue here, he isn't quite in sync with all of this but likes the pope. >> i like the way he's shaking things up with the stalemate in the vatican with the bureaucracy. i like the idea going after the airport bishops and people who have lost their mooreings. neil: people who travel. >> yeah, he's not with obama on same-sex marriage. he called it the work of the devil. the media have not reported on this. neil: the media have reported on, it who am i to judge. >> if someone is gay and searches for the lord and has goodwill, two conditions, who am i to judge him. the pronoun him is critical, he's talking about one gay priest who was presumably celibate.

if you take off him, you can do what the media have done and saying he was justifying homosexuality. he never justified homosexuality. neil: no offense to you, i think it's the combination of the remarks he's made and being more open to speed up annulments to recognize women who have had an abortion, they could be forgiven and we should be understanding. it's a more humanistic approach, i think given he's grown up in argentina and experience with banks and greedy capitalists, it's natural for him to rage at extreme forms of capitalism. should we be surprised or is he just saying obvious stuff? >> look, what he's making are not so much substantive changes but pastoral changes. the annulment process is much different than different countries. uniformity to the table. on abortion, he calls it an unjust act. in the catholic church, forgiveness is conditional, conditioned on being contrite.

and so the idea that more priests can deal with this very serious situation where, a gal may have made the wrong decision on abortion, you're not going to condemn her to hell. neil: i don't think he's said or done anything heinous in his remarks. >> i like what he's done. neil: do you think this conservative revolt happening now with the vatican where people are saying you've gone way too far is going to boomerang? is that why he's movingo fast on a lot of these measures because he's facing a revolt. >> the revolt is a little overstated in the "washington post." cardinal burke is a good man. neil: a lot of cardinals say he's moving too fast. >> sometimesure not sure where the guy is coming, from he's a little off the cuff. i like the authenticity. neil: i don't think anything is off the cuff. this guy is a genius. i don't think anything is off the cuff. there is other talk too he might retire.

he's almost 80 and he would step down. benedict step down, we're going to have a lot of popes. >> he's 78 years, one lung, not in the best of health. i don't see any reason he's going to step down any time too soon. a lot of the changes are stylistic and pastoral than substantive. i like the idea he's breaking the ice in many areas. don't agree that the latin american model is the capitalistic model, that's crony capitalism, state directed. >> i understand where he's coming from, u.s. banks and institutions, argentina and latin america was screwed by the banks, he has every reason just as pope john paul ii from polish upbringing experience to know the wrath of bad governments like those in germany at the time and russia to want to act out against that. >> that's right. neil: but does it color his view too badly? >> i think what happens, it's being spun by people who want to look at the good pope who

they discovered as a progressive. it's true the catholic church is more liberal on socioeconomic issues and more conservative on moral or cultural issues. they're emphasizing the liberal more than the conservative. i look at him and don't see a lot of difference except for style and instituting new processes than the two predecessors, and i resent the idea that we had a bad pope in benedict or jpii and have a good one, all three are good men, different in style. neil: he is the one who gets the mainstream media's attention. >> he knows how to do that, he's media savvy, like you. neil: i think you're more connected to the pope than you're letting on and i admire that about you. >> all right. neil: remember when all the presidential candidates were afraid to call donald trump out, especially when he ripped them a new one? you can add bobby jindal to the list of candidates, but he wen one step further actually

called the donald an ego maniac. can you believe that?

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call now, request your free decision guide and start gathering the information you need to help you keep rolling with confidence. go long™. ♪ . >> he believes in nothing other than himself. look, he's not a liberal, he's not a moderate, he's not a conservative. he's not a democrat, he's not a republican, he's not an independent. donald trump is for donald trump. he's not for any, he's not against anything, issues don't mean anything to him. policies and ideals are not important for him. he is for dodge. donald trump is a narcissist and an egomaniac. neil: for a second i thought he was talking about our own charlie gasparino. [ laughter ] >> that would have been mean. bobby jindal coming out with guns ablazing.

he will be my special guest on fox news channel on your world talking about the gloves off when it comes to dealing with donald trump, the aforementioned charlie gasparino none of the descriptions read to him. >> he said donald didn't read the bible because donald is not in the bible. neil: obviously, there's been a fear up until lately if you attack donald trump you pay for it. the fact of the matter is those who attacked donald trump haven't benefitted from attacking him. >> they have to attack him because he's number one, the longer they wait, the more legitimacy they give to his campaign which is legitimate now. neil: has trump responded, do we know, ralph, to what jindal said? that takes about a nanosecond. >> check his twitter feed. neil: that's right. >> here's the problem that bobby jindal has. trump is better at this than he is. trump is a better politician. neil: he's better than all of them. >> better than all of them. i'm astounded, donald says

things that i don't like, a lot of things, says some things i do like. i like the fact he's politically incorrect, there's an immigration issue that needs to be addressed. they are so over the top. neil: the "rolling stone" interview, the comments about carly fiorina, has he gone too far? >> hasn't hurt him yet. at some point i guess it will. what's going hurt donald is the lack of organization, he does not have a real campaign yet. it's him, his twitter feed. neil: it's working. >> so far. but at some point, this is a science. we know people that do this for a living. neil: wouldn't it be a kick if he goes all the way defying the science, defying the model, defying the infrastructure. >> it would be a harvard case study, it would be like one of the greatest stories in politics ever told if he does. neil: what do you think? jeb bush came out with an attack ad, seconds later he had

an attack ad against the attack ad. >> he puts an attack ad he doesn't put money on. neil: he responds ten fold. >> did carly throw the first punch at him? neil: he made the comment people make fun of my hair. >> when he made the comments about mexican immigrants and rapists, carly was one of the people that came out. he generally -- neil: prior to all of that, he questioned her and her stewardship of hewlett-packard saying she was a disaster. then i thought he was happy to get her after the debate. i don't know where things stand now. this interview preceded that. >> i would say, this and what's fascinating about donald is how he has rebranded the republican field, and this is a business story. neil: that's what concerns them, right? >> i know, he has taken very, very accomplished people. carly fiorina is very accomplished.

started as secretary, became ceo, i covered the story during a very difficult time, but he's taken her and a lot of other guys that are -- like jeb bush and scott walker and essentially emasculated them. i mean we don't hear much about them, when we hear about them, it's not very good. neil: what was the -- the carly comment the turning point, the fact that the candidates now are more likely to come back at him, the turning point? >> the turning point is with the public, the republican electorate, they're willing to put up with some of this verbal excess because the establishment has let them down. when they hear jeb bush say illegal immigrants come here out of love. i lived in texas, in arizona, the hospitals are jammed, the school systems. they hear love, they hear jeb bush pandering to latinos with a horrible mexican folk band

when he announced he was running. and they see him. >> i didn't think the mexican band was horrible. >> it was horrible. you know what's worse? they hear him speaking in spanish. i don't have a problem with that. my father implored me to take spanish, but heard him speaking in spanish. >> you are wrong. we'll have more after this. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit?

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>> all right, the white house is weighing in on the back and forth, that congress is using the word spoil, the iran deal set to end, september 16th. there was a 60 daytime frame, i think july 20th, thereabouts. and 60 days to review, voten 0 it and do something and all the dithering about it september 17th it comes and goes. and your argument, congressman has been not so, we found out

there are all of these side deals and we need to see those side deals, then start the clock. i think what he's saying is, no, no you don't. >> absolutely, neil. so here is the latest. as you know, there are two side deals that have been negotiated between iran and the international atommic energy agency aiea. under the corker language, the law that governs the review of this iranian deal. the law says that congress has 60 days after all of these documents have been disclosed, including side arrangements to which the united states is not even a party. so, think about it. there are side arrangements the white house admits to they can't tell what's in them and not in them and they want the american public through its representatives in congress to vote on it without any access. and there is no one that have seen the side deals and congress ought not to vote on

this-- >> i think that the president is saying stuff it and also saying, i'm interpreting here, this is an iaea matter, they're not sharing it, that's their call. you have to just go ahead and vote with what you know. so what you know is, this is a bad deal and what you know is, that the administration or the iae iaea has not disclosed this. the iaea is not attorney-client privilege. it's not language set aside. many times when some of the arrangements are, the ultimate point is this is part of the law. the law says that we have an obligation as elected representatives to review these things before-- >> no, no, i don't doubt what you're saying. and it not you, but maybe leadership. how did you guys screw this up? how did you agree to the-- to take such a leap to override

this thing and then not even find a way to agree to language in the house to proceed with letting the world now how ticked off you are? what's going on? >> quickly the back story is the constitution gives the president of the united states incredible authority under the law it is relates to international affairs. neil: but you agreed to the parameters you wanted congress to have a say, god bless you. >> absolutely. neil: but then, the president could figure it in a way that, yeah, you can have a say, but you won't really have a say. >> think that through and play that out. we know that the courts have given congress standing on suing obamacare a huge game changer, absolutely incredible but the courts say the house has been injured and now you get to go to court. the same thing, i think, is arguably true as relates to this. so, if the president chooses to move forward, neil, with impunity to say, i don't care what corker-carden says, he's

in legal jeopardy-- >> i understand what you're saying, but in that house even when it comes to the language you use to set this in motion, you can't find enough members, not you specifically, to do that, right? >> we're going to-- >> look like the keystone kops. >> the house of representatives today and tomorrow will move with clarity and express the sense of congress, that number one, we don't think the clock has started. number two, the sanctions should stay on. and number three, to put forward an alternative and that is to fundamentally reject what the obama administration is doing. so for the president to act as if all it's a fait accompli is a fool's errand. it's not. a majority of congress, a majority of the american public are rejecting this deal. neil: i'm going to tell you, congressman, it's a done deal. it's a done deal. >> look, i choose not to think that. neil: all right. >> because we've got an obligation, neil, to fight this and this is the battle ground we're on right now. neil: well, i choose not to

think i may not be a tad overweight and i look in the mirror, right? i left you speechless didn't i. congressman, thank you very much. very good having you. all they know our enemies are loving this. captain, they see discord, confusion, no agreement on how to proceed and they're just rubbing their hands together, right? >> yeah, look, they certainly are, neil. and i think, you know, we could-- will you issen ensen -- you listen to the congressman and we issue protest and like you said at the end of the day it's keystone kops arguing over language. i think that it's key that every senator and representative should go on the record where they stand. it's an important deal for going forward. our enemies are looking at our actions or inactions and taking advantage of it. the russians in the ukraine, syria, assad, the chinese in the south china sea, they're

walking all over us and this president has shown that he's willing to do absolutely nothing. we're playing not to lose instead of to win and that's a dangerous game. neil: republicans are doing it too. now we're getting word that the white house is saying the u.s. is headed for a government shutdown if republican leaders in congress do not start negotiating with democrats now. you could just as argue with one side as being obstinate and opposing the other side. the other side is just as obstinate opposing, well in this case the republican views. having said that, bad guys do look at this sort of stuff because it just shows we're with ourselves, pretty much, right? >> no, absolutely. and i think if they know that washington-- and they recognize that washington is broken, i mean, as you've said, we're already talking about another government shutdown. look, if you look at sequestration and what that's done, certainly to the military forces, we're cutting our troops, we can barely afford to train the ones that we have,

and the world sees it and we're again, we're-- you know, i think that the american public deserves better, what we see is discard and arguments and to be honest they're eating it up. and unfortunately, we're going to pay the price for that. neil: all right, thank you very much, kevin. thank you for what you said, but thank you for stopping by as always. in the meantime, we have got something interesting going on in new york and it involves the vice-president of the united states and andrew cuomo, the governor. and they're both pushing, both of them for $15 men minimum wage for workers. and remember, with andrew cuomo, it's for multi-tiered minimum wage when they might be hired in the more expensive new york city area in the outskirts. now that's not the case. and in the past world, that you argue is going to make a mess of things, right? >> well, absolutely.

it's already done so in seattle, san francisco, and will in los angeles. it has in los angeles with hotel workers, already. there's nothing wrong with people increasing minimum wage but you have to understand when you increase it dramatically in this kind of draconian fashion up to $15 an hour, you're going to kill jobs. you're not helping working class people that are working for jobs and labor participation is low. we've got 6 1/2 million people working part-time and another 6 million out of the labor force that want a job now and the results from the initial research and again, seattle, san francisco and los angeles is that $15 at least kills the job. i don't know if you saw, there's an article in the new york times, i don't know if you saw it about a restaurant in san francisco that's open where you walk in and you don't see anybody. you don't see any people, there's five or six people kind of behind the wall who put the food out through a chute and you're forcing restaurants and you're forcing businesses that use minimum wage employees to

find ways to automate and find ways to raise prices. >> one of their top executives said they're modernizing various shops, but wasn't that already in place, sandy? or was this just sped up? >> this is not only sped it up but this has expanded it. i mean, restaurant companies, hotels, everybody's looking for ways to reduce their labor costs because you can't-- at $15 an hour, it's very, very difficult to stay in business. so, people are trying to find-- and businesses will adjust to this, this doesn't mean they'll be-- we'll have massive, massive closings, i don't think. i think that businesses will raise prices and be more efficient and automate to the extent they automate. businesses have been dealing with government regulation since franklin roosevelt was president. it hurts american workers and hurts american consumers, it's just not a good move. >> do you think that if they tried to pass along the higher

costs in the form of higher burger prices, higher menu prices, that in some of those cities you mentioned, people would do it, that there are a lot of good-hearted folks that they might do it because they get a lot of liberals on the air who say you'll be surprised, neil, how generous they will be. every time i notice that mcdonald's or altered, or changed or reduced the value meals or gotten rid of them, they're hurting. so what's right? >> well, you can take prices up some. in other words, if we wanted to increase the federal minimum wage from 7 1/4, you're talking workers taking 7.25 and more than doubling that. what you've got in restaurants and it's important to understand, people often say to me, well, you're just arguing this because you want to pay your workers less. we're going to be 95% franchise.

most of the workers work for these smaller businesses that are trying to keep their heads before water and maybe have-- maybe make 6 cents on the dollar. so when you take up those labor costs, the only way you can stay in business, the only way that you can continue to grow is by increasing prices and if you're going to $15 an hour, that's a dramatic price increase, and there are people that are no longer going to be able to afford to go and you're going to lose some business. $15 is just too much. and maybe in san francisco or-- or even new york. neil: joe biden is running for president, this seals it for me, he's running for president. >> i have no doubt that he's running, particularly given the resents poll in iowa, i have no doubt he's running for president. neil: andy, thank you very, very much. by the way we're getting more comments at the white house press conference essentially saying republicans, you just been had. they essentially have 60 days to play the spoiler, he goes on

to say that congress' opportunity to play that role expires next week and that this good news will be that it will be the international community to move on with implementing this agreement. i want you to think of what was said there, that the white house saying, congress scoot down the bench, you don't matter. the international community does. wow.

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>> well, when it rains it pours. and the announcements out of the white house. we're learning that the president directed his administration to make reparations-- preparations, i apologize for at least 10,000 syrian refugees

next year. i don't know what preparations means, whether we would take those 10,000 in to this country as asylum seekers. the earlier figure was maybe 500. this comes as germany committed itself to 500,000 refugees. i think that was per year. they're going to be about 5 1/2 million when all is said and done, they're leaving war torn syria and other gulf problems. the problem the united states is in identifying who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, but the white house apparently believes that this will show a significant scaling up of a u.s. commitments to accept these refugees and to provide for their basic needs. well one of the most respected international minds i know garry kasparov says this is a problem of the administration's making. we wouldn't have all of these syrian refugees seeking asylum

if not for the president's missteps. good to see you. >> thanks for inviting me. neil: explain that. >> and the mistake-- . reparations-- >> reparations you make after war. this is one of the mistakes and propping for reparations. and we know that an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure. obama had a chance four years ago to help relatively-- rebels to topple assad. removing america from all the hot spots on the planet. neil: weren't they rebels modern modern day isis? >> i doubt very much because things traditional are scaling down and getting worse and worse and worse. if america is not there,

somebody else will be there. in a modern world globallized world, you can't expect to create a vacuum and the vacuum for stay long. neil: would you take in these refugees? do you think we should? >> i don't know. right now-- >> germany says yes. france is skittish, denmark says no. >> i don't think that you can expect europe or america to have all the refugees. this isn't about 10,000, or 100,000. we're talking millions. there's no way to stop this crisis from happening unless there is had a political will to go after the cause of the problem. you have isis on the run. you have iran, all supporting terrorism. they're not even hiding anymore. they talk about supporting hamas, hezbollah, and-- >> we know this isn't like a

modern day cuban boat people, jimmy carter, for people in need of help. and we know that-- >> jail, and this is about assad and of course, it's putin's interest. it's not suddenly that putin discovered big interest of building-- >> and having it turn into an influx of millions? >> if they're destroying the region, there will be millions of refugees. neil: my point is, it starts with syria and it's in the region. you argue it's too late? >> it's worse than four years ago. >> so they're seizing on this vacuum. you talk about putin and sabre rattling, off the state of

georgia with the ships off the alaska coast. what's going on? >> it's going on that, you know, the policy of this administration, as obama, by the way, declared in 2008 to remove america from the global stage. so obama believes that america is a force in the world and unless america-- >> and these guys, they're war weary and tired. >> if somebody wants to seize america, policemen, it doesn't mean there will be safety and no criminals. the vacuum created by the lack of american president is fueled by all of this-- >> where are the good guys then? where is france? where is germany? >> traditionally america was a leader of the free world and since america-- >> we're broke. >> it's a lack of political will. let's go back to the '70s when carter was the president and people kept talking about

america being broke and soviet union too powerful. it took ronald reagan to change the equation. you know, complaining about american weakness and about the strength of the opposition and it's too late and maybe we could do something earlier and those who are preaching, you know, american intervention and war mongers, and how could you call those in many wars, it's-- >> maybe that will change with president trump, what do you think? >> i-- >> come on, you chess rascal, you, what do you think? >> i hope that the g.o.p. will have a serious debate about foreign policy. if he's the guy, how would he handle this? how do you think he'd handle this. >> from what i heard, trump president doesn't give any comfort, what i heard so far. neil: you sound like a trump hater? >> no, i believe the problems are complex and they require

strategy cal vision and they can't be solved with one of the-- >> oh no you didn't. i hear you're pretty good at chess. >> i was. neil: you were. >> but in chess we have rules. unfortunately, here, the rules are dictated by our opponents. neil: i love that. that was a way to -- you have identified the pieces on the chess. garry kasparov, he calls them like he sees them. meanwhile, after apple, what we're learning about a lot of the new goodies, you've got to wait to order right up to christmas. and that's by design. apple wants you to spend a lot of rain at christmas time and dave ramsey is here to say be careful.

>> all righty. as you know by now, apple made a number of nifty new product announcements and you can see that deal, but obviously the company is staging a lot of the bigger rivals until november and december, and that's around the holidays and that's the idea and these are not cheap things. dave ramsey says be very, very careful because people with the pendup demands and excitement for this stuff are going to spend money that they don't have. dave i love and known him for many, many years and he walks the talk and the walk, but i will tell you this, despite the fact that he is loved by everyone he meets. >> here it comes, here it comes. neil: he's cheap. >> here it comes. you're the one that forgets your wallet at dinner, we know what happens. neil: i'd love to, i really-- . [laughter] >> there he is paying $1, $5 and he looks like a mob figure going into a restaurant with a

little paper doing of money and i'm ashamed to be with him. i kid, but to the point he means what he says. you keep track of your cash, not with money in a bag, but you'll get the idea that it's real money you're using. good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you. neil: another big book out. the cover of that, like a printing industry here. but in total money, are you talking about how we still get totally obsessed? i know you're trying to make it over and get people out of this fixation, but we as a country can't do that. >> well, we can. i mean, we've just got to pay attention, these apple products, for instance, they're wonderful products, i'm a customer and i carry one of those in my pocket. neil: cash on-line, how do you do that? >> a debit card, no problem, but the thing is that this new thing they launched is a leasing program. if you have to lease your cell phone, you might need a life. i mean, really?

lease a cell phone? seriously. neil: they say you save money. >> no, only if you buy everything that they have ever come out. it's a subscription program and a great business model. neil: and-- >> great business model for them, it's a stream of revenue they keep you in. it's like a car, roll it over. neil: do you buy your car or-- >> pay cash for that. you know i don't go into debt. neil: sometimes you have to go into debt. buying a home you don't have to go into debt. >> there are homes that they don't, half the homes last year were bought with cash. we don't yell at people for 15 year mortgages as long as the payment is not more than-- >> and you yelled at me for--

>> that's between you and me. i love the way you intertwine that with the religious message and about the soul. explain who we idolize with money. >> the bible says about money, like your grandmother would say, get out of debt, get and mra plan. >> and live on less than you make. pan grandma said that common sense. neil: your grandma. mine says get off the couch. play in the traffic. >> a lot of young people, you've read they've burned on the market or parents, they're cynical about the staple that you and i grew up with. so maybe that's a good thing, what do you think? >> the millennials are great generation, i mean, i was at a leadership conference and we hired our 500th team member and a bunch are in that generation and the best ever for work

because when they come into interview two types, they're awesome or they suck. [laughter] >> really? >> and they don't play games, they go in and they say, i suck and they tell you. i'm entitled, i'm a brat, i expect you to do things for me or go in, i'm all in for the crusade and crusade. neil: you don't hire the brats? >> they don't last if they come in. neil: and the attitude mr. money. >> they're sold out for a cause, the same thing with the money area, they're cynical in the market, but when they see how to use something as a tool they plug in. i've got hope for millennials on the financial side. neil: and the dollar cost averaging, the market goes up and down, and put the same money in and buy more stock when it's cheap, less when it's expensive, over all you do well. >> nobody gets hurt on a rollercoaster unless they jump

off. neil: let me write that. what chapter is that? >> you and i were discussing that in 2008 went from 14,000 to 6400 and then tripled and comes back to 18,000, nobody talked about that until the other day when it dropped, 600 and 300 and everybody all of a sudden pays attention when it's down. neil: you were calm about it, do you like this market? >> i like the market. i don't necessarily like this market. i always like the market because i want to be invested in america's-- >> you are. >> heavily? a lot of mutual funds, a lot of our wealth is mutual funds. i believe in american companies. neil: the money you make, do you spend it or hoard it. >> on dinner with you. neil: he means what he says, celebrating there. and i've seen the staff up close and been out there. >> you need to come back again. neil: they're loyal, like blue robots. >> it's a cult-- >> do you like dave? yes, i like dave.

a genuine article. we'll have more after this and include a big rally and dave has been talking, capitalism lives if you can afford it and don't put it on a charge card. stick around. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile it is you. . . . .

neil: all right. the white house republicans a few minutes ago you have until september 17th. do something here. you guys are losers. they didn't say that. chad pergram on some of the folly in the house attempting

those remarks. what is going now, chad? >> the house of representatives is going to next hour or so start debate on non-binding resolution which basically says that president obama did not comply with the law. that they don't have all the paperwork on the iran deal. this is non-binding resolution. this is 180-degree flip where we were about 25, 26 hours ago about the house was going to reject the iran deal because the interpretation by house republicans is that they did have the paperwork. now house speaker john boehner said they could come back at some point maybe consider an actual resolution of disapproval to reject this. some people say, well that is talking out of both sides of your mouth because on one hand they say they don't have the paper, but they say they do have the paperwork. across capitol hill the senate is proceeding its debate on rejecting this. we expect a procedural vote 3:45 eastern time. neil, this could be only vote we see on the iran deal because they need to get 60 votes.

there is a 6-vote threshold to cut off debate to advance to final vote on this there are more than 40 democrats in the united states senate who support the iran deal. and probably won't join republicans there. so is an interesting dynamic. then no piece of paper goes to president obama to veto this. neil: all this theater for nothing in the end. >> we'll have another piece of legislation on the floor later this afternoon. they won't vote on it. this is the bill to approve the iran deal. now that is significant because that is not going to pass in the house of representatives. the vote will be tomorrow. here is what is interesting. they will force democrats on the record supporting this, to vote on september 11th, the 14th anniversary of 9/11 say you voted on that. i talked to a couple republicans say, no, there is not politics behind that. some people point out that can you believe so-and-so voted on such and such a day to support

iran agreement. especially if things go south with iran later on. neil: thank you very much. chad pergram. meantime, a lot of government guys are busy today. you wonder how many government guys are out there? enough now, that they outnumber manufacturing workers. there are more government workers than manufacturing workers, factory works then employees. wow. >> this is tough story. this is gives us new perspective with the growth of government and decline in manufacturing. 22 million, federal, state and local jobs of the according to government data. the reports are out there on that. versus little more than 12 million manufacturing jobs. there are no -- we know manufacturing jobs have been plummeting. it used to be the 25% of the jobs out there in the '80s. now they're around nine%. started to do swing in 1989 where they were coequal, number

of jobs, government and factory. 1989 they were equal. manufacturing really tailed off. neil: workers of all types? all across the board. it is worth noting that the plunge happened last decade. not just due to productivity. it is due to the oncoming manufacturing from china and india and competition. neil: i see. >> that is where the debate is. how do you get manufacturing in the u.s. back up and running? the president already said this is where middle class prosperity sits. manufacturing jobs pay a quarter more than service job and in benefits too. that is where the debate is. how do you bring job back to the u.s. and scale back the u.s. federal government. neil: read this from basil smikel, democratic strategist. lisa booth on other side handicapping. the read here, too much government. >> like to compare the two million number, what we had 10 years, 20 years ago. governments have been downsizing. mayors and government who have

been putting together these austerity budget because they know they have to reduce their costs. neil: not affected in aggregate. >> the issue, we talk about manufacturing jobs. our whole economy has changed. we've gone from reliance on manufacturing what is termed as gig economist. individuals are going from job to job to job, piecing together careers. this is -- neil: i understand what you're saying. we've gone maybe to that in this transformation, lisa but all at the same time we're relying on more government and people in government to dot government right? >> right. but austerity budgets that basil is speaking about here, look at republican policies how they're playing out in the states. look at state like texas, in the past 14 years, texas hand been responsible for 1/3 of the new jobs created in united states. absolutely size and scope of federal government should be huge issue into the 2016 election. look how some of these big

government policies affected economy. the president obama's regulations have cost americans 80 billiondollars per year. look at obamacare -- neil: to be fair multiyear multigenerational, multipresident. >> it is. but. >> that has been happening since the '80s. really swung down in 2000s. the issue is, the manufacturing jobs, face it, apa doesn't like them. can be polluting jobs. even though manufacturing companies have been doing a lot to reduce pollution in factories number of decades. talking textiles, cars apparel. these jobs do pay more than government. the government really is sort of ballooning in growth since the 0's. -- '90s. >> not my fault. but number one there are ways to make manufacturing jobs more green to take the pollution issue out of it. neil: but government -- >> there are folks not necessarily supportive of sort of green jobs because they complain it costs more money.

>> they do cost more in taxpayer subsidies. they do. >> but what democrats want to do -- neil: go ahead. >> what democrats want to do under president obama absolutely kill industries like the coal industry with these regulations. we've seen size and scope of federal government increase significantly under president obama. look at obamacare alone, over the next 10 years it will cost large businesses over $100 billion. wait hold on. for the first time in united states history, more businesses are being destroyed than created. for the first time in american history. neil: have more jobs than that? >> this is what i don't understand. there was no complaining when the president bailed out auto industry to save those jobs. >> there was a lot of complaining about use of taxpayer dollars for that. point worth noting we have a major oil and gas industry that has a lot of high-paying manufacturing jobs that the administration has not really supported giving keystone still not being approved and like. that is another issue too.

>> listen, can talk about increasing things like minimum wage. talk about obama care. these are giving people more mon in their pockets. >> that is not true though. if you look at the non-partisan congressional -- >> sales tax. >> not true. if you look at non-partisan -- neil: all right. >> look at non-partisan congressional budget office they have said incrieses federal minimum wage to $10.10500 to one million jobs. that is not going to put more money in the pockets. neil: we'll not make believers out of even other's position but i love you gamely trying. look what happened to the dow. surge going on here. couple things for that. general optimism here that the economy is doing, to apple's point maybe better than some people thought. who knows. they always assign motives to buying or selling.

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>> i'm connell mcshane back here on "cavuto: coast to coast." we were talking earlier in the show about rising interest rates treasury making headlines for being below 3%. it is barely there now. talk of better economic growth has it up a little bit. a look at 10-year. that was the 30-year long bond.

10 year, 2.25 below it today. with that backdrop the fed is meeting next week. look at other markets. oil gave back some of the gains earlier. there were reports that top oil-producing nations expect oil prices to persist. oil back up by 3%. we see strong demand. crude oil price is 45.60. neil talking about the rally. still volatility back and forth throughout the day but the rally persists. up 20 on the s&p. kneel will be right back. joe piscopo next.

>> white supremacist groups talking about why they like you so much. would that trouble you at all? >> a lot of people like me. >> yes, everybody likes trump. [laughter]. even white supremacists. which is amazing because trump is not even white. he is more oompalumpa american. neil: stephen colbert on a good start largely attacking one donald trump. bobby jindal joining attack line. might get some laughs. i don't know whether he gets voights. joe piscopo says it shows a little bit of bias. what do you make of all this. >> it is brilliant. what colbert did i thought was brilliant. i like donald.

you can never underestimate. donald could be president of the united states. it could happen. colbert, i write sketches, came up from "saturday night live." watching what colbert did, it was brilliant and clean. it wasn't derogatory. it was funny. neil: but trump was a frequent fall back for him. which might be ratings gold. >> you know why it wasn't going after like conservatives in the gop? because he brought jeb bush on the first show. colbert brought jeb bush on. he made jeb bush look fun. i mean that was genius. neil: jay leno could do that. >> good point. good point. neil: but colbert does have reputation, of is comedy central show we know where his biases are. >> i know. colbert -- neil: does that matter at this level? >> i think colbert is ultraright-wing conservative. he in the closet. i honestly believe that last night he pose, jeb bush was on i might vote for jeb bush.

neil: you do stand-up or do someone do you have to be leery of that? i notice on your radio show -- >> no. neil: i kind of know where you're coming from but you don't -- >> no. neil: you go after everyone with equal sell lues. >> lure you're looking for laughs. replacing david letterman you have to go for laughs. neil: making fun of richard nixon, i had to make fun of democrats. johnny carson was equal opportunity basher. did same with jimmy carter. >> that is what will happen. watch what colbert does with hillary. biden. it will all come out. bernie sanders. will do bernie sanders could cowardly lion sketch. neil: how do you do bernie sanders? >> oh, oh. oh. [laughter] stephen could run with it. that is the initial input. neil: very good. >> whoa. we'll have more.

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neil: she is saying we should have been tougher with syria. >> that is what she says. what did she do as secretary of state? neil: she said she lost the argument. >> she lost a lot of arguments. she was one of the biggest defenders of arab spring which start this thing in the first place. basically all of the policies. neil: you're a hater. >> i'm a hater. what did she disagree with specifically? she hasn't said that. she said in general. >> well he is missing the point this is classic clinton triangulation. this is she sported some of it. >> you don't think it will work, charlie? >> thank you. thank you. >> might work. triangulation. basically spinning what could be a horrific deal. >> i don't think it will turn numbers around at all. >> really? why not? >> she is running for the presidency. she is afraid, trying to blunt, trying to -- neil: ralph, next time let me know these things. >> did you say she wants to make america great again?

>> tried to blunt attacks next year if she wins the nomination that she appeased iran. she is trying to say i will stand bit deal, but, i'm going to be tougher than the president would be. >> it is triangulation. >> i will distrust and verify. neil: there are charges he hasn't been tough enough. so it is all in her best interest. >> it is all mouth. >> numbers tell the story. where have the numbers changed all with her protests? neil: do you think she would be tougher militarily and more manufactured. >> everybody wonders whether she would be more bill or obama. i think she tend more toward the obama side than clinton side. >> her aides are telling fund-raisers in new york so you know this is going on because some of this is raising money, we'll differentiate ourselves from president obama because we are pro-israel. >> good luck. >> that's what they're out there saying. >> she tried to sound that yesterday. >> how can you be for the iran deal and be pro-israel?

how can you be pro-iran deal and for israel? you can't. >> did she say she is for it? >> she said she is for it but, she is for it but. neil: that will do it now. we have a rally unless trish screws it up. see you in the next hour.

trish: here we are, 120 minutes to the close of trading. we're seeing a nice rally. a lot of green on the screen. you're watching "the intelligence report." i'm trish regan. candidate bobby jindal going on offensive taking on donald trump. >> he has no idea of policy or what he is talking about. donald trump is for donald trump. trish: he also went on to say he is not a serious person. he actually said this. donald trump is not a serious person. we can play it for you now. >> donald trump is not serious act. he is not a serious person. look, all just, an act. it