was spectacular, i think. chris plant, sarah westwood, caitlyn huey byrnes thank you. >> thank you. lou: please join us form night, from new york. >> donald trump just wrapping up his speech to official voters in new hampshire. welcome to special primetime edition of the intelligence report, trump speaking in the granite state allowing voters to ask questions, anything they want, we heard, him echo some of his popular themes, the need for a wall with mexico, taking care of our veterans, he would save social security. >> she did a terrible job at

hewlett-packard. terrible job. stories have been written that are legendary, head of yale business school. people have to read this. >> he told everyone, how he is the guy that won the debate last night. citing a bunch of on-line polls, we'll share that with you as well, listen to this. >> well, you know compared to a lot of other people, i guess so. i don't think a lot about people with a lot of power, i like ideal president is that president of switzerland, though . knows their name -- nobody knows their name.

>> we have donald trump talking about how he won things hands down last night. we'll share that with you. that was former senator paul. ron paul, you know talking about how we should be more like switzerland, anyway. joining me now for a look at donald trump, and future of our economy, austin and douglas. austin, he put forward a lot of economic plans last night and tonight, donald trump that is, that i would argue are not necessarily tradition alley conservative plans, what are your thoughts? >> well, i don't think he is push forward that many economic proposals, he more says he is doing well in the polls on who they think is better on the economy. he keeps saying he went to warton.

>> that is kind of a big deal. >> so, he has not proposed that much, i will say, i don't know that we have ever had this level of interest in the presidential election this early. now i think that is because of him, that is healthy for democracy, at least he is getting people interested. >> i agree with you, 24 million people tuning in to debate last night. million fewer fan th than the dn fox but still a sizable number. let's not forget, this is a population that is sick of politicians, and politics, now they want to be part of the process, how much is related to trump? >> i think very mh related to donald trump. not his policies, he is going to replace obamacare with something amazing and save social security. that is not really a plan.

i think that really interesting question is whether he is, another ron paul. are these supporters who going to follow him, who are engaged with him but not broader political process, he will top out 30%, but not really get more, then -- >> why might he not get more. >> how? how is he going to appeal to people, where his basic approach is to attack the person they support. demean them -- >> he has not done that with ben carson. >> belittle them in their policy. >> hang on. >> austin come on in. >> respond to that. he said ben carson was a half-rate doctor. you are not going to have warm and fuzzies for donald trump. >> i think he has been much nicer to ben carson than others.

>> that is not really a big compliment. >> we have whole panel here, a all-star cast. we have with us richard goodstein, and richard fowler. and many additional team coming forward. let's go to ford, we've talk about whether or not trump can hold on this lead or build on this lead. what is your sense of where he stands right now? is this a tipping point for him. and the party? >> i don't think that he is gaining any supporters on his debate last night. he is appealing to folks who are tired of the washington system. i think we're in the personalty phase of the campaign. if we get into a substantive phase, he will need policies, he

will need to be more likeable, right now here is entertainment. this working for him, but there is a large field, what happens when the field narrows down. >> where do ben carson voters go? and carly fiorini support, and the rest would go if it is not to trump? is that support for carly fiorini, and for ben carson basically an antiestablishment support? >> i it is worse. i don't know if you watched this thing. he did there was expose the level of paranoia, people concerned about the blm pointing guns at them, isis rounding people, putting them into cars for a holocaust. and list goes on about what immigrants are doing. i understand we have a problem with unchecked immigration.

trump is tapping into something dark and low, i think what people say that is trump, in a couple of months, it will be ooh, that's trump. >> are we seeing that fatigue already? he seemed refreshing when he came forward and was willing to put this in english, tell everyone why things were not working they were not working, but now it is becoming repetitive. >> there is no question, it is repeptive, and b beyond that, ts no substance behind it. if they don't come up with that, this campaign is in trouble. good news with donald trump, he will away, en the silent

majority. he has to keep them supporting him until the iowa caucus. >> let me say one thing, he is hitting what we call, responsive court cord, and strumming it like a pan -- banjo. banjo. i telling new 3 months he has been in there he has been one heck of a political strategist in terms of adapts to the situations. >> has he hired any strategists? >> hired and fired several. >> it is the theme song to deliverance. that is the banjo song. >> he is not going anywhere. that is most important to understand.

i think he stays until iowa, he has the money to do it. that makes him almost the biggest threat for the others. >> let me say one more thing. the law of large numbers, the more candidates that stick out, the better off trump is, if i think that ben carson and carly fiorini die out, i think their votes would go to more established candidates yes, but some might go to donald trump. >> this is him, speaking in rochester, new hampshire, a town hall. talking about how we owe everyone so much money. >> think of this, we send hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into mexico. have you a huge problem at the border where tremendous, cartels, pour in with drugs, pour out with money. so they come, not a good deal, that is not a good deal, they are coming in with hundreds of

-- you have to see this, the numbers, they are staggering. >> we're getting the bad end of that deal with mexicoing he is going to make sure they pay for this so-calledded wall. -- so-called wall, you have done a lot of work on immigration. what do you make of that? >> you know there is nothing he said that is grounded in reality, we have looked at what it cost to round up and deport every illegal immigrant in united states you talk about 20 year process that turns u.s. to a police state, that costs $400 billion, he said will do 18 month and cut a gooddeal, this is welcome -- ridiculous. only thing we learn when policy comes up, he either says nothing, and we're lucky. trish: he built a successful business. >> so did herbert hoover by the way.

finest businessman to be president was a horrible president. trish: why are you against. >> jimmy carty. >> george bush, he destroyed it. harpooned it. >> look. >> answer is keep status quo? the career politician in place. >> no. the question is, what does donald trump bring in terms of substantive solutions to america's problem, my answer is nothing so far. >> worse. >> it is worse than that. >> hillary clinton has been pleased with how this is playing out. >> everything he suggested, when he has it there is a war, that we have not seen for a hundred years around tariffs, he talk about putting tariffs on goods mexico and china. >> okay, you know, maybe less than 100 years.

trish: does anyone want to defend him? >> i will defend him on trade policy. after nafta, all went across the borders, donald trump committed to bring the jobs back from china, and mexico, if you talk to labor unions they would support that, i am sure -- >> this is why i think high does have a lot of cross market appeal. >> i agree with you. he is speaking the voice of the common man. trish: union employees say this is not fair, i lost my job to oversea competitors if we put more tariffs in place that would help protect me and my family

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>> donald trump, 51%, we had a total of 668,000 votes. trump 668 thousand think of it 51%. second fiorina, much less, like much, then rubio and cruz, and

i'm not mentioning the next. trish: he has a sense of humor. then not mentions the rest. that was donald trump. speaking in rochester, new hampshire, a town hall event, taking questions from voters in a traditional new hampshire-style, you know one-on-one. intimate but large gathering. we talk about donald trump the economy, and who can best fix the situation we're in. your reaction, richards, to whether trump is right when he said he won the whole thing last night judging by internet. >> you cannot judge off this debate. you have to see polls, how american people viewed him. i think that big winner last night was chris christie, too bad for him this bump is not going to be enough to put him in

totop tier candidates. because he has opinion so weak. trish: he is not bad in that debate-like setting, he goes into an attack mode, as opposed to giving a strategy, we saw this last. >> we did. it worked out for him in the first one, i don't know if it was three hours, and people could not take it how long it went. i think that real winner from last night was hillary clinton. th went through and looked at. trish: come on. >> number of negative mention, collective of each other were 4 times more of hillary clinton. as long as they are beating up on each other, she is winning. trish: or maybe bernie sanders might have benefited from that.

richard, the parties, the candidates need to sticking it on one message. otherwise you run the risk it plows up. what is the danger in your view of donald trump for the party? >> republican party? i think -- i think there is a chance if donald trump is the republican nominee. this business about who is better for business or the economy, i think that with both trump and fiorina have done for their companies will make what bain capital was in last election look like child's play. trish: look, i think that bain capital created thousands of jobs. >> i understand. trish: romney did not know how to sell that message. >> i am saying that job loss at hewlett-packard, and bankruptcy from trump, people that got screwed in those bankruptcies will make caricature whatever it

was about bain look like nothing relative to now. >> where are they? nationaly 30%, for whatever reason, despite the skeltons in his closet people like him. >> at-this-point in the process, the last time round rick perry was the overwhelming leader, i would council patience. >> i disagree. >> i like this process, because being president is an endurance contest, and so is running for president. when you are president things go wrong, when you campaign things go wrong. the process about those who have endurance and can correct their mistakes. trish: listen to him here, talking about how he is going to do a lot of good for the economy. >> people, young, beautiful, great people, they go to

college, in many cases borrow a lot of money, they are so proud, they do well, they are good they work hard, they get out, they can't get a job, with trump, there is an expression, i will be the greatest jobs' president that god ever created, i tell you that. trish: you cannot accuse him was not believing in himself. >> the unemployment rate of college graduates is 2%. what is he talking about. trish: you know, this getting into conversation about employment overall, 5.1%, the administration touts but that is not what it used to be, you have a lot of people that are not participating in this workforce. it is worse it has been since 1970s. so you know, you may say 2%. >> that confusing and conplating, if you talk about

22-year-olds with a college degree, unemployment rate is low. and nonparticipation rate of college grat iates is low, they have jobs, they are first people hired. the record sitting labor force participation is going to continue for the next 15 years, as a lot of baby boomers continue to retire, you want to separate out the dim graphics from that -- demographics from that. >> douglas, our economy right now? >> we're doing very so-so, i think everyone knows that we had a wake labor market recovery. growth has hovered between 2-2.5%, there is nothing to write home about. but so far, what will prescription be, mr. trump's approach, i like that strategy, i am going to use it and be 6 feet 2 inches, i am just going

to keep saying i am 6-2, 6-2, until it comes true. trish: this is almost like he is the coach cheering america on the sidelines. we have not had enough of that, people feel like this is the guy who was stand up, to vladimir putin, stand up to china, and we need someone who will take these things on. the other thing i would point out, you think about his experience as a businessman. we need a ceo of america. that is what being the president is. >> but. >> donald trump. >> go ahead. >> donald trump -- -- i agree on leadership. >> donald trump. >> okay. >> he is not a leader, he is a reality show star.

i think that donald trump does, he speaks to the aspiration and will of americans, no other candidate on the republican side that been able to do that i don't know how also, i don't know how he is creating these jobs. >> he is going to lower corporate taxes. for all americans. >> that does not work. trish: i have to take a break. >> we know that does not work. trish: the fed out today, once again doing nothing, what is that tell us about our economy? make sure you watch, every day 2 p.m., i am there we have your intel on everything political and economic, all market news acrossing the wires, intelligence reports airs weekdays 2 p.m. eastern, 11 a.m. pacific. on fox business channel. talking paren trump, talking the economy and more. technology empowers us to achieve more.

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>> we owe japan 1.4 billion dollars, i so boats two weeks ago in los angeles, thousands of cars all over the place, how do we do that, they are selling to us, we owe them money, how does that happen? simple, we have people that are not very smart. >> donald trump speaking at a town hall event in rochester, new hampshire to potential voters there about how we owe the world so much money. i am tris regan . we have a special report. austin, he is talking about creating jobs, talking about paying off some of our debt, what is the danger in owing these countries as much money as we do. >> first thing i say, that part

of a broader theme don don donap had that seems to suggestion that imports are bad for u.s. the than went man went to wart warton. trish: they are fine schools. >> the thing is is wrong with the approach, not wrong to be concerned about the fisca phys situation facing the country. i think it is the hyping up and trying to morph issues 'the aging population of the united states, and why we have rising deficits. to merge that all about immigrants and foreigners and that part is confusing. trish: you talk about there being a dark side of this, listen to this sound bite, he gets to some issues.

>> we'll have that in a moment, he touched on some of that rhetoric. that americans are responding to, not necessarily coming from the best of places, but, you know ford, when you have a population that has been beaten down economically as much as ours has, do you run the risk that rhetoric can tic tick -- te on a life of its own. >> no, fear is a powerful motivate or. what he is hitting on is main street and people's fears, we will eventsly have to go beyond it, that is how you get people to buy into your message. i think that is what they miss when they don't understand why donald trump is rising in the polls. >> i think -- >> listen.

>> i agree, i think that donald trump has been the same thing to do. now he has to do is between now and iowa caucus, he has to back the fears up with solutions. how he will quell the fears, i don't think that the donald could do it without doing thins that don't make any sense. you think that donald trump cannot do. >> he defies political graphty 4 times, i a3 with you -- gravity 4 times, i agree with you. >> it always does, it kicks in. that is why rick perry got thrown out. >> rick perry and donald trump, are you serious.

>> the same thing. >> they are not. trish: we're talking about him tapping into a fear of people having right now, i mentioned some of sort of more darkly colored language. >> a 66-year-old veteran, who was raped and sodomized and killed unbelievable. by the illegal immigrant. and it is not going to happen any more, it is not anything to happen any more, we're going to have a border, we're getting the gang members out of here fast. we have a lot of gang members that are illegal immigrants, you go to chicago, they are tough. we will get them out so fast your head will spin, all right, your head will spin. trish: is that stoking people's fears. >> it is, but you have to understand, vets and illegal immigrants may not be related but it is emotionaly related.

voters feel like our vets should be treat like played yeah gladin they come home, and support of the government, and people see the illegal immigrants get the benefit of the law, and support of the country it drives them insane. >> this is true, but what we've seen over and over from republican in congress, an idea to cut veteran benefits and talk about supporting veterans. if donald trump comes to washington with real solutions, i am for it. a lot of democratic would be for it, but he is not going to do it because the party won't let him. trish: we'll stick with this issue, the economy who is the best person for it. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪

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>> the problem whether it is china, or japan or mexico, they are out smarting our leaders, and we're not going to let it happen any more, okay, we're not going to let it happen. trish: donald trump speaking the a town hall in rochester, new hampshire just moments ago. talking about he is going to be basically a god when it comes to creating jobs. one ofs reasons he as succeed so much in this republican race so

far is because, the economy is so bad. janet yellen did not move on interest rate, we've been at 0% for 6 plus years, what does that tell us about the state we're in anded the word, and weigh in steve forbes, and dave. and raia, steve, i am starting with you. how important is the economy in in election right now? is that going to be the decider? >> it is the big issue. even in debate last night, you had more substantive discussion, the economy is still not forefront in the way it should be with proposal they have on the table did not get dealt into. the economy is critical. in 2014, median incomes fell

again, the question is what do we do about it. the fed is part of the problem. trish: let's talk about what the fed did, what was nothing. i have been warning of this, you heard me, saying they are not going to do a darn thing. they don't move at all. probably are not going to move in december either. why is that? >> or october. >> or october. >> right. >> they have october and december to do this year. i think we learned today surprise today is that we learned that fed is unlikely to move for the rest of the year. the external conditions are weak, with china, and the emerging markets, europe and japan, no one is going well. and financial conditions have tightened. looking at 2 year rate, sthoarm, short-term, rates almost double, financial conditions, no matter,

conditions are tighter, in a way fed's work has been done for it by the market. trish: the political implication of this with our debt situation, we heard don done talk about how -- donald trump how we can't owe all these country so much money. does it make it easier for politician to borrow to pay for stimulus programs when money is as cheap as fed made it. >> yes, government borrows without tiers. like having a interest-free mortgage, it helps big businesses. but for the small and medium business, and start ups, this is a bad time, japan has been doing this for 25 years, punched -- punked their debt is double ours with a bad economy. trish: what is going to grow our economy, in terms of when you look on the horizon.

what is that growth industry, that will take us somewhere. >> i think that fed needs to move, that is part of the issue they are being hijacked by the market, like the tail wagging dog right now, if the fed made a move, i think it would show a lot of confidence in the economy. if the fed leaped 1% that would show we're on stronger footing, that could move us to dow 19,000. >> you are right, talking about the psychology of this. if they said, we think they are okay enough, that we can move a little bit. they didn't have to do a quarter point they could have done like 10 or 15 basis points, something. would that september a more positive message? >> i think issue is that the fed is on hold. and most important thing, i believe in terms of politics, and electoral cycle is the timing, we're in a box, fiscally

speaking for the next two years. there is not going to be and fiscal action, to stimulate the economy, should we need to do so nso. until late 2017, early 2018, i disadisagree with our guest. >> why. >> i think that stock market would collapse, and market would go down. >> no way, shaking his head. >> well, that is what makes a market. my biggest fear, as an investor, the fed stayed on hold, stocks closed down. that was big fear coming in. i hope it is partly buy rumor sell news. if in next couple of days stocks weaken, i think that will send a signal that the market is afraid that fool see -- policymakers are out of bullet. trish: hugh about qe ?

another go at that? print more money. hope for the best? >> qe is not it. since global financial crisis of 2008, 14 country have tried to raid rates, and 14 have backtracked. we need to get global economy out of this, is policy leadership from the u.s., we are the strongest most diverse dynamic economy in the world, where we go others follow. trish: part of the reason we're in this situation, is that we had no leadership in washington, no real economic policies out of washington such as lower corporate taxes or some other kind of benefit to the economy. the fed is the only game in town. >> but it has been destructive. no one asked why after 7 years of 0 interest rates we have a punk economy.

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trish: the markets right now are on a wild ride, check out the chart, the dow all over the place, up as much as 175, ending down 65. investor they just did not know what to to. let's talk about that reaction. steve cortez, in market, people going back and forth not knowing which way to go. do they have more decisiveness tomorrow? >> we'll see, we don't want to base too much off of one day, but i do think this was worrisome, an easy fed does not en in a down standard & poors

day, it did today, a fierce reversal, it was a pump and a dump within a day. i am clearious to -- curious to see what we do to tomorrow, my view, central planning whether fed or chinese government, central planning globally is starting to fail, and markets are realizing that governments cannot fine-tune growth. trish: then it may continue? steve forbes, if markets wake up to the fact we're in a lousy global situation, they may say this froth over the last several years, will wear off? >> well they realize, where is the next boost coming from. companies have squeezed out all of the inefficiency they have, the strong dollar hurting least nominal profits, what comes next? we need stuck rally reform -- structural reform starting with tax code, and credit markets operating again.

there is no sign of either. trish: john, you -- the fed whisperer, you have sources. >> not the fed whisperer, i am just i reporter. trish: okay. >> i am not a whisperer. trish: a compliment. when talk to them, do you get's sense that they pay attention to ha is happening in the market? >> they sure are. i think they are paying attention to more than anything really to the dollar over the last few months. they see is you know chinese economy that slowing down. and central planning, what looks like ineptude among chinese policymakers, that is boosting the u.s. dollar, hurting our exports that got their attention. trish: given where we are in this economy.

a lot of people are asking do we need a federal reserve. i know one guy right here says no way, you just need gold. we'll have more on the fed, the economy, and who is best to be in the presidential seat, next. you're late for work.

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trish: we have been talking about donald trump who was speaking there live in new hampshire. at a town hall event, talking who would be best for the economy, the economy that right now is in tough shape, after janet yellen and fed say no move yet. i am back here with steve forbes

and steve cortez, and john, a lot of people saying we don't need a fed. are they less relevant than they were in the past? >> we -- you know, i mean this will sound funny. i think they get more credit than they deserve for influencing something like interest rates, they manage short-term interest rates that try to affect long-term interest rates, but it is the case that the market sets most of the interest rates in our economy based on the spread that you see. over benchmark interest rates, you have spreads on corporate loans, and mortgages and car loans, so i think that fed gets too much credited for something all of the inblewence. >> i agree, i think that fed does get too much credit, we want to believe, almost a pathetic wanting to believe there is a count of wise men and women that can guide us and our economy. but that is never the case, in this case of this present

federal reserve, my wife and i have a 9-year-old son, he was born last time fed raised rated, i am convinced they are not raising them again until he is shaving. that is how long we still have to go from here, this fed, they are not only not raising rates, they are not going to, they are not going to next year either. trish: there -- >> can i say something about that. that might be your view, that might be right, the economy night -- might not be up to it but yellen said they are still expecting it to it before the end of the year, they might be wrong, they might are rose colored glasses on. trish: do they just till us that. >> you know, that is part of the concern, that a little tmi, too much information from the fed, they tell us everything step along the way, and yet they just keep strinlin strinning us alonn

strung along for 6 plus years in a zero rate environment. >> the other point is you know, i spend time last week looking at what thor central banks have -- what other central banks have been doing, in australia, canada, sweden, in the euro area, israel, at the time was run by the guy who is now number 2 at fed, they tried to raise interest rates since the financial crisis ended. they have not been able to. trish: we're stuck in the same dark boat, it i is a race to the bottom, steve do we need another discipline in this market? >> you need discipline of a stable dollar, right now we have a dollar like a watch, too fast or too slow, that is -- >> i have to take a quick break. thank you so much. >> we'll be right back.

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