hit the nail on the head. go, dr. carson. and says this. i have unlimited respect for the catholic church, but i would like to see its leader stick to faith and religion and not politics. there you have it. my time is up. neil cavuto, it is yours, sir. >> thank you very much. despite the criticism that the pope gets for being anticapitalist, the fact of the matter is that the markets are up. >> any reason for that? we have no idea, the dow is up about 110 points, and the pope has come to town and three of them visited the united states, on average the markets do go up. now, the record holder, he came up within seven times but for our purposes we are focusing on and we will a little bit later the times he visited the u.s. president. that particular visited more presidents than any other. but seeing as we are now on the 40th anniversary or close

to the visit of john paul, the first visit this country, we should stress that when they are in town, stocks generally do go up. so they might be anticapitalists or some of them might be deem that way, but they do tend to help buying at the corner. which after all is their goal. i got you. before we break that down with our religious panelists today, we're going to go to michael on why they could be under attack and set the tone with multiple speeches to that effect i guess; right? >> well, thank you, neil, and i guess we'll have to see. >> i know, michael. i know. so you don't have to worry about what we'll have to see. that's exactly what he's going to have to do. so -- i'm kidding. but my point is -- advocate for climate change, he's going to advocate for -- that somethings wrong with the system that leaves so many

disenfranchised and poor what do you think. >> i think we have to see what he says. >> well, i just told you what he was going to say. remember? assuming they're the worst human beings on the plant; right? >> well, certainly they're not the worst human beings on the plant, and i wouldn't expect the pope to say that, although you have the copy, i don't. >> now you're getting it. >> i think that the pope will certainly criticize the excesses of capitalism, that the put him in line with previous popes and shouldn't come to the surprise of anyone. the question is whether he will go further than that. he seemed to go further than that on his environment. if so, that would be a bit of a break from what we've seen from at least the last two popes. i hope that he doesn't. i hope does not represent the complete and total sum of his

thoughts about capitalism. but if it does, maybe sometime in the united states will help his holiness to see that capitalism causes some problems and creates challenges for people trying to live a moral life but it also does a whole lot of good and lifts millions and millions and millions of people out of poverty and helps people to lead truly flourishing lives, you know, we do know, michael, that congressman paul, i guess is a catholic republican is skipping the pope's address to congress because he doesn't want to hear a lecture on climate change. i'm cutting to the chase here. what do you make of that and what others who might not like that message opt out being there with the messenger? >> well, it's possible that the congressman like you has a copy of the text, and if he doesn't, it may be a bit preassumption to think that the the pope is going to give a lecture about climate change. if i had the opportunity to be

535 or 600 people in the room with pope, the greatest spiritual leader alive today, i would take that opportunity up and be very gainful what he has to say. >> interesting catholic politicians, more to the point, catholic presidential candidates think of the pope because if you're chris christy, you criticize his views on politics. i want you to listen to this line that the governor stands when it comes to pope francis. >> i think the pope was wrong. the fact is that his infallibility is on religious matters, not on political one. >> seconds later, a lightning hit that studio. but, michael what do you think of that? you have to do what john kennedy did, the first catholic president succeeded for president, and he says the pope is the pope, i'm the president, i don't answer to the pope, and i think we have half a dozen in the race that

are catholic, they've got to explain their position. >> well, they do. and, you know, i think governor christy is overstating the case a little bit. the pope has to explicitly claim infallibility when giving infallible teens, certainly he hasn't done that about the environment. certainly within his progressive to talk about social and economic systems. and it is give to candidates running for president of the united states or any office who are catholic to explain how their faith informs their policy views and how they're fidelity to the pope informs their policy views. those questions are completely inbounds and anybody running for president should be prepared to answer to them. >> as you're speaking, michael, we are getting images of the pope in cuba, going to be wrapping up things there fairly soon but he has met with anybody and everybody, fidel castro, and my buddy was commenting on fidel's gash

meeting the pope today, the best he could do was a jumpsuit. i don't think we're here to judge what people wear, suffice to say i think that meeting went 45 minutes. i don't know what transpired there, but month so than the united states. we've got liz macdonald and connell, you first, i know you've been crunching numbers. >> yeah. >> this is the fourth visit to the united states. >> yes. >> and when they come, even though john paul the second, we had to send back because he came so often. but on average they do pretty well. >> on average. only stayed here a day in 1965ment. >> plenty things to do. >> well, the market went up 1% when he was here, and that was all of a 9-point gain for the dow then. i don't want to be the one to come onto television and blame

john paul for the crash in 1967, but it was down and wouldn't tennessee -- >> a month later. the whole market. >> i don't want to hear you blaming the pope. >> no. but he -- we count the times; right? >> oh, the way we did this. >> how do we crunch the numbers. >> we had six visits where popes came to the and did you say met with a president beware u.s. president, and we looked at those and for the most part, they had never done better than pope benedict when he came here, the dow was up 4%, so top that, francis. >> and he's just tooling around. >> that's what i'm told. >> what do you think? >> infallible. >> i think i'm here because i was the biggest sinner in the building. >> pretty much. >> fair inbounds.

>> this pope anticapitalist message, he's got some serious money problems here in the united states. with the declining membership of the catholic church with the three billion dollars paid out for the sex abuse scandal and settlements, a pension shortfall for the retiring or retired clergy. he's got a worry about -- >> where's the money down the road. >> they need to raise money, and they need to raise membership rather than shooting down how that money is raised. >> that's very well put. and i -- i'll go this far, i mean i think this is -- he definitely has these views. but i think he's also looking at about filling those views and the older predominantly white catholic, that's a dying breed, and he has to expand. >> that's true. and the polling found that, you know -- >> oh, wow. he granted there was another pew polling. >> for every catholic that joins.

>> who puts out that pew. >> pew. >> for every catholic that joins, seven have left over the last decade. . >> so he has to rest -- >> he has to. the issue, the catholic church is repelling more than they're attracting members right now. and the cover up of the sex abuse scandal, the abuse of children, the rape of children was so damaging and so serious that people said you know what? we're going to try other religions and they never came back. and that's the issue too and the pope is really irritating a lot of people because half a dozen prior popes have said you know what? socialism and communism is evil. they're not the way to go. . >> but i don't think he's social, he's a creature of his background, and i agree with you. >> but they never saw true free markets or capitalism. >> we are creatures from once with he came; right? and i think that's what his experience is, he saw the effects on people and just made the mcof blaming it all.

>> the point of emphasis is different than what we've seen in the catholic church, not necessarily the content of the message. my high school with the college, i don't think there's much different in what this pope is saying, it's just that the emphasis is different. the catholic church has been economical liberal organization when you emphasize the economics, you're going to get different people taking out different messages. >> the priests come off so judgemental, while at the same time, yes, the attacks on children were so severe. >> to give credit, though, he did try to -- >> not enough. >> let me point out on the environment is that it is the very people being lifted up out of poverty. however that might happen that contributes to greenhouse gas emissions increasing; right? because you have people coming out of poverty, driving cars and living a, hi, quality of life and that's contributing to it. >> some of the social issues

you are more likely to attract younger people to come back. >> i'm up for grabs. so, hey. show me what you've got. >> what? >> good to know. that's what he's going to be working on. but, again, we did get a comment from pope benedict 4.2% gain. top that, francis. >> that's right. >> all right. i will bring up today we're hearing that donald trump now is coming out with a book in october. they haven't a title for it, but apparently -- i have learned the title, all the others are stupid losers. donald trump. no, but normally that can tell you what you need to know about a guy who is going to have some long-term power. he's in this race and coming out in october. it looks like an art of the deal. could be. >> could be, yeah. >> in the meantime we've got general jack keane with us here on all this timing. but to the general he's not looking at not so much -- but a leader of china getting the

21-gun solute and the big honor on the white house south lawn, and, general, that's the visit that hurts you. explain. >> it's the most important bilateral relationship we have in the 21st century, and i think we have to admit to ourselves we truly are strategic rivals, and we're in competition not only economically but certainly in terms of geopolitical influence, which china is trying to reclaim for themselves. i think china coming in here and having a state visit, it's really a photo op for them, and i doubt seriously whether we're sit down and roll up our sleeves and deal with the tough issues that are dealing in the united states& china in this visit. i don't think it's going to happen. >> i've always wondered, general, and you're very good in reading in between the lines when it comes to protocol and when we do have the big state visit because this leader, has been here a

half dozen times, not all as the leader of china but been here a lot. and this time he's getting this type of fanfare, which would seem to me the worst of times, the hacking scandals, military complexes being built on islands, no response from us. seems to be a bad time to be celebrating somebody. >> well, and frankly and we really have not taken china on any of the major issues. the military basis being built on the south china sea, the islands that they're constructing, the huge number of steeling of intellectual property here is unfathomable and maybe george bush would be opposed to it, he had a lunch with him as opposed to a steak dinner. and i think we have to start exercising the strength and resolve in the pacific with china and all of our allies

there. they want to be with us, they don't want to be with china and frankly we're not backing them up in the way we should be. we told our military not to contest any of the rules that china's imposing in terms of air and sea transit and not flying near or over those islands that they're building because we don't want what? we don't want confrontation. so they're establishing the rules out there, not us. and we've got to deal with this straight on, and, unfortunately, i don't think that's going to happen during this visit. >> but it happens at the same time russia's apparently using unmanned drones and weapons to syria. talk of talks. i think some of them are supposed to happen this past weekend, to the best of my knowledge, they never did. how would you handle that? >> you're talking about the syria situation. >> yeah. >> yeah, well, listen, what russia's doing in syria is unequivocally clear, what they want there is this is their strategic foot hold in the middle east, and they want

more influence in the middle east. they see an opportunity here with the u.s. disengagement, and it has been happening now for five plus years and they're going to take advantage of that. this fighter base is just a beginning of their reaching out for the middle east to fill that vacuum. so we have two revisionist powers, russia and china that are seeking revisional domination and we're not doing much to checkmate it. >> thank you, general, very, very much, someone who shares the general views will be with me 4:00 p.m. eastern time on the fox news channel channel. dick cheney and we're going to hear from ted cruz in the same hour, and i suspect donald trump will get a little bit more fiery and not just in that book due out next month when he says the latest polls when he says a certain carly fiorina gaining on him but in one state leading him. the surge after this sure, tv has evolved over the years.

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>> all right. we're getting a lot of e-mails on our last segment talking about the markets and the pope, including one viewer who was telling me do you really think that the markets based on popes come and go? well, for the purpose of that segment, i do. but the vatican did call us and say, neil, 10,000 hail marys, and we'll see you as reinstating you as a catholic, but all of that on the pope's visit on the united states, on average, not great, but on average more often up than not. katrina, some politicals hasn't changed, carly fiorina number two on one poll, new hampshire she leads, what the heck is going on here?

what do you define from that if you don't pardon my references there? >> no. upon intended. i know. well, neil, it's interesting because finally someone has been able to shoot through the crowded field and gain up on donald trump. and i think it's great. she had a phenomenal debate performance, no doubt. and she did very, very well and people saw her for the first time and really liked what spend, however, i am actually happy that this is happening because with donald trump, you have that 25% solid base that isn't going anywhere, all of his negatives are baked in. but now we've got the opportunity to sort of vet some of these other candidates that are known as outsiders and now we're going to see what carly fiorina is really about. >> all right. now, some of those outsiders include ben carson and donald trump. >> yeah. >> the animal together there. about 60% of the republican vote right now. but as you reminded me, that could be very fleeting. i'm wondering, is this -- an indictment of transitional

politicians and or this will be like it was four years ago when we had -- you know, love affairs, different types of candidates before everyone settled on mitt romney. what do you think. >> no. i don't. i think this is definitely different. there are going to be love affairs, however, there are several people in this cycle as well. but what's interesting is even with our own poll at the tea party poll we're seeing the same thing donald trump, carly fiorina, ted cruz leading the way. >> partial one group over others or what? . >> so what we have done at the tea party leadership fund is we're not enwent to a republican primary simply because there are so many candidates that are supported by so many conservatives. so that's why we ran the tea party primary poll going into round two and going to narrow down into the top three candidates that our members support. so we're going to know pretty soon where that is. but now that we have an opportunity with this last debate so vet some of the other candidates and i also

want to point out with this cnn poll that has carly fiorina in second place, when you drill down into that poll, neil, and you look at who these people say is the best to run the economy, the best to work with illegal immigration, and the best to do pretty much everything, again, donald trump is still leading -- >> that's true. >> with all of those efforts. >> yeah. >> and i think that's pretty indicative. >> number one and two are two business tightens. >> that's right. >> so it's very interesting dynamics going on. katrina, thank you very, very much. on this subject and who's serious about what, we've got dick cheney, ted cruz, special edition of your world today, who wins out in this and what is the message ahead of national security, ahead of not only the pope's visit but the leader of china's visit. getting a 21-gun solute and all of that. all right. well, just in case you think last week the fed missed an opportunity to raise interest rates this year, growing chorus of support by now three district presidents

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>> all right. i pass on the word that donald trump is coming out with a new book, do you out october 27th, with my producer out there, donna reminds me is the birdie of one teddy roosevelt. when you think about it the last populous republican president, he was very big on, you know, environmental regulations that were really not considered typical republican party stuff. but of course donald trump if you think about it has been advocating the rich to pay more taxes, those companies that ship jobs abroad, should pay economically for it, i don't know if that's accidental, but it will come out a biography on mr. trump is due out, so perfect timing,

mr. trump is also saying that he expects this book will be a best-seller. i think that's probably a fair conclusion. and gary, doesn't need reminded about best-sellers. everything this man gets followed around the world. gary, first off on this rate hike that didn't happen. growing indications that the number of fed, three of them now, say that it should by year end and that one of them is even saying as soon as the october meeting. do you buy that? >> i think it's continuous to be the boy who cried wolf. look, these are people that some of them just voted. it was 9-1 against raising rates so i don't think so. and, you know,, neil, i've been in the camp for a long while that they're not going to raise rates until markets force them to and markets have not forced them to at this point in time. and raising rates is probably the stupidest thing at this point with the market's in trouble and the economies around the globe slowing down. . >> now, i guess what you can be away from that, though, is that the fact that the fed

primary concern; right? >> right. if you noticed last week, the talk went from, oh, when we go easy, that's when markets do well. now thinking of tightening, that's what markets want. but i'm not so sure. look, neil, bear markets or bear markets regardless of what anybody says or regardless of what anybody does. i think in one right now if they raise rates, i think the market goes down. if they do nothing, i think markets go down. but if they announce another round of money printing, i think maybe you could get a little jack to the upside. but i don't think it lasts. >> yeah. these markets very low interest rates or just free money their way. but i wonder what your thoughts are, gary, on goldman saying that it sees the s&p at 2,100 by year's end. i think a gain of about 12% or so from these levels. what do you make of that? >> i think this second it's a sheer impossiblity. in order for that to happen

on, you have to have a complete turnaround, the markets are acting terribly, that is a marker, and the biotechs, one of the leading groups of the past five years are imploding. there's no way the s&p 500 goes to 2,100 with that type of action going on, and you know right now i'm very, very bearish, not withstanding bounces at this juncture,. >> all right. three fed that they think rates could and should rise by the end this year, john, the san francisco fed president and the jeffrey, the fed president who said that now was the time to raise rates. but nine others disagree. and it didn't happen. but these guys seem to think that it could and should. either october or the december federal reserve meeting. all right. much fuss meanwhile growing syria examineddous and all these

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a study out today shows that as many as four out of five are not. in other words, they're from somewhere else but syria. former deputy says that's the problem with leaping too soon without checking where these people are from. secretary, the bottom line is we don't know, do we? so those rush to bring them to any country can get a little overwhelming; right? >> well, russia's generally a bad idea. the fact that they're coming from somalia and libya, afghanistan, syria is only one of them. if you look at the statements by the english and the german governments, they said that they've been willing to accept syrian refugees and that is the minority. still it's a problem. . >> all right. when it's a problem that obviously one we've not seen in a generation and the fear seems to be that the world is blanking as all these people are suffering. a move today in the united states to look at -- bringing

more of them here, we don't know how many of them would be syrian, but we know we've taken about 70,000 every year. they want to up it to 100,000, that is all of these who are admitted into this country, whether they're refugees or not. what do you think of those numbers because a lot of them would be the syrian or whoever they are. >> yeah. look, that's very serious. the general john alan, retired marine general who drives administration on isis, both the current and former chairs of the house homeland security committee have said publicly that isis has said publicly that they're going to exploit this problem, the refugee problem, so unless we're looking carefully who is coming in, we're asking for trouble. >> there's no way to do that;

right? with a lot of these people, they don't bring any papers with them or records with them, so what do you do? >> yeah. look, people -- i know a guy who, for example, has been in the united states 15 years and he comes from a nato country, and i know other people like him as well. they applied for their american citizenship, they were here legally, it took them 16 months or so to get clearance and that's with references here in the united states. if we're just going to let people in and isis says they're trying to exploit us, we're asking for trouble. it's a serious issue. >> thank you, secretary, very, very much, we know the pope is coming to the united states later this week and said the world has an obligation to help these people, but we'll see what happens, secretary. and the pope is taking a couple of the families to the vatican. we don't know if those

families have arrived but he's urged all countries, individuals to do the same. it would be the similar way that the world responds to these boat people situation in the late 1970s where it was urged at the time, pope paul the 6th to take in a lot of refugees and to do so quickly. sheriff says, well, that's fine on paper. but the devil is in the details because you never know what some of the devils you may be making it. and you know what's going on abroad and you know what the pope has been saying on this subject. what do you think? rugs at cross purposes? you and the pope. >> no. actually i am a big fan of the pope and america is actually the shining example of compassion. and still the beacon of hope and freedom welcoming immigrants. last year alone we took over 1 million legal immigrants. so we have a strong record here in the united states.

the problem is the illegal immigrants and oftentimes it gets conflated over the compassion and the torn areas like you talked about in her syria. and the truth bears out the facts that it's only one in five are from these countries. and that you have people from all over the world, not just africa in places like iraq, afghanistan, heck you've got 20,000al banians coming in and they're at peace. but america sets the example for lawful immigration and that's what we all and want support. follow the law on the books. >> so when the administration talks about upping our commitment to 100,000 from 70,000, it doesn't deliniant who those would be, i assume it would be among the bunch of

syrians,. >> correct. >> but to track records, how do you do that? >> it's not done well. i can tell you that. and this is where -- this administration, president obama has released serious dangerous criminals into our streets. last year, we accepted 137,000 asylum seekers and refugees from just central america. so these numbers putting out, 70, 80,000, the doors have been blown off the numbers already in the past just from the peop in the western hemisphere. so forget trying to take the refugees and asylum seekers from all over the world because these numbers mean nothing. they're just talking points for the president. >> i know you're not i told you so so far guy, sheriff, but i was thinking your office was getting -- all the way from the likes of france and these other socialist countries out in europe we were showing as sort of a

dismissive slap on the back to some of these who wanted the safety of our shores. yet facing the same problem on -- technically a smaller scale than you. >> right. >> loath to take these folks in. what do you think of that? >> well, here, again, first for criticize america and our history of girns and not just for our freedom but for theirs. and now here they have all these people at their doorsteps because of economic reasons as well as some areas and they're putting up fences. they're saying, no, you're not coming in. and so a little hypocrisy here and america continues to be truly the example for lawful immigration. . >> all right, sheriff, very good. thank you very, very much. >> thank you. >> we've been following this dow kind of all over the map as it has been certainly the last few weeks, huge swings either way. up about 69 right now, the

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>> all right. we have a sector down today and etf really getting pounded. a lot of it has to do with the report of the new york times

that a lot of these guys have been gouging some of their patients, and i mean not just a little bit here. there's the story how one company had a 13.5 tablet that they quickly shot up to $750, other examples of a 48-dollar treatment that shot up to in excess of $4,000. now, a lot of these companies were trying to explain after the fact that these were older drugs being side of end out and new drugs coming in, that as it may, hillary clinton didn't waste a nanosecond to tweet about it today, saying the price gouging like this in especially the drug market is outrageous, she said tomorrow i'll lay out a plan about it tomorrow, and this is a big issue across both parties and did they go and have they gone too far and are they getting a little bit too greedy? not all of them but sometimes they get caught up into selling here and that seems to be the case. the entire sector is take it on the chin. in other words, they make a lot of life-saving drugs but

is it really necessary to raise a drug's price thousand followed in a night? weird. something weird going on with oil and gas right now. a lot of people in this country who might not love oil prices edging up a little bit. they prefer that they stay down and the gas prices continue to go down but phil flynn says you better be careful because oil prices might be still going south and gas prices might still be going south. but there are more and more of these under the $2 a gallon club, and we're going to see a lot more of that before things reverse i guess; right? phil? >> you bet they are. a lot of excited people about that. i blame it on refining madness, neil. we're seeing refiners in the u.s. refine more gasoline than they ever have before. and you know who we credit that to, neil? it is the u.s. shell producer. have made the ones that created this environment that allowed these refiners to produce more gasoline and get prices up.

now, that's the good news. and the trend is still down. but we are concerned about the attack on the u.s. shell producers. we're seeing signs of u.s. production maybe cratering right now because of this opec price war. we're seeing rate counts fall pretty dramatically, hearing authorities are production is falling. so we're going to see low prices into the end of the year and i'm worried about next year because i think that's going to hurt us. >> is it your sense that the prices get so low even the attractiveness of all of this drilling activity in this country dissipates, in other words, it's not worth the cost when you're going to get so little bang for the buck. >> well, i think it is. i mean you've got to separate oil producers from refiners. refiners have had marvelous years and they've been able to be profitable because u.s. shell producers are producing high quality oil that produces a lot of gasoline. where we're seeing the pain is

on the oil production front. these guys are getting hammered right now. we saw a report from the energy administration, neil, that said most of these companies, 80% of these companies, every dime they make really does not go into their pocket, it goes back to pay their debt. and the problem is a lot of those debts are coming to subdue, so that could lead to more bankruptcy and lower production. so there are some concerns in the oil that they good days may be coming to an end for the u.s. shell production. >> all right. thank you, my friend. very, very much. phil flynn on a day gas prices are going another way. often not in sync. and the trend seems to be right now for johnny depp a reversal from his recent trend that it seems that america's love affair with mobsters is alive and well. take it from one who played a pretty good one on tv. what he makes of all this oscar talk around the latest

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>> all right. it wasn't the number one movie in america this past weekend, but it was the number two and already giving johnny depp some oscar buzz, so compelling was his roll playing that the man who -- well, at least told on paper killed at least a dozen people, maybe more. hard to say, but it was -- well, it does not come to mind as a warm and fuzzy character and that that popularity of yet another mob movie shows that mob movies do intrigue, and he should know of course he was in the original, the godfather. good to have you, my friend. >> always, my friend. >> are you surprised of this? have you seen this movie? >> yeah. i've seen a lot of it. >> you knew the principle

characters. >> yeah. i knew whitey. i met him in the '70s and then bumped into him by mistake in california, and he said you didn't see me. i said i never see you. [laughter] but, you know, the intrigue with the world about the mob has always been fortunately. >> the mob isn't what it was. so what explain, big celebrations to the 25th anniversary, the big fellows, they tend to more often than not do very, very well. >> well, you know, again, the people who are not in that life -- especially women, women find it very sexy, mob guys. and i remember, you know, going to regimes with john -- >> you're not saying that to the american; right? because i've used that line. it doesn't go very far. >> no. it's -- i've always seen it. i mean look at -- through history, cagney, they all made careers out of being mobsters .

>> and that's how we saw them. >> oh, yeah. >> i know everybody think so i'm connected. it's crazy. >> you're not? >> no. thank god. >> my crew always said don't ask him one tough question. they're very concerned when you come on, they don't want you to be offended. but is there something -- you always get political correct and i can immediately say glorifying evil, glorifying a guy who is murderer. >> well, yeah, but i mean the thing is that the government actually gorified him too because they gave him a green light to do a lot of things because they were getting what they want. but they've always done that, i mean -- >> why all the nicknames? why whitey and -- >> well, you know, they never -- like my nickname was the kid. and people told other people only address him as the kid. they just didn't want that connection. today with electronics, they're going to find you but

years ago before all the bugging and cameras and everything else that's going on, they wanted to use nicknames. they thought it was safer because you didn't know the real family name, and it was hard to find out who that guy was. >> i have not seen this film yet. i want to, but the one thing i learned from godfather is that there's loyalty in the family and that's not appreciated. but anyone who breaches that or goes against the family is paid dealer for it. >> well, it used to be. as we were talking about earlier. the young today, they don't have that respect, the whole thing was respect and loyalty, and the crime families, not even in your own families. >> but are there different crime families today that nothing like the old days of the mob. >> no. and those even the russian mob. basically governed by tremendous fear. they're reference it. >> yeah.

>> where these people, the italian families, and where they were digging the dam in central park and the listings of the category for jobs and the italians were the last and the least paid. >> amazing. >> and that's how they started these families to gain respect and then it got out of order a little bit. >> by the way, you know, do you mind sharing that. >> no. no. no. i can't tell you that. >> well, i won't be back for the second hour of the show. look at the time. what are you reaching for? we'll have much more after this. stick around

neil: all right. welcome back to the second hour of coast to coast, everybody, i'm neil cavuto. not glad to pass this along if you are a biotech investor, because these issues are taking it on the chin bigtime.

a lot of them are gouging their patients and customers. not all of them, but enough of them that anything attached to the sector is getting shellacked today. a number of cheaper meds, some as cheap as $1.50, $2.50 a tablet are now selling this excess of a thousand dollars on the black market. "the new york times" says this was to prepare for older drugs clearing out, no explanation the world can justify price run-ups like that, and that's already caught the attention of hillary clinton who's tweeting she wants to get to the bottom of that, and she will tomorrow with her own plan. unless you are an issue, that is the subject of takeover and/or merger talks. it could have been presaged with merck being among the only dow components that was selling off as almost all others were rising.

now we've got a few more sharing space with merck. other names taking it on the chin including apple and the story that there has been the equivalent of an app attack or at least downgrade -- that was subliminal -- downloads from the app store that could contaminate, shut your phone down, a lot worse. this is a big app store, i mean, thousands and thousands of different apps. which ones are we talking about? >> primarily chinese apps including we chat which is the host popular messaging app in china, 500 million users. there's the uber of china, if you will -- neil: and what are they saying? >> it was a tool kit issue. so malware was put into a tool kit that was maas crazed as something -- masqueraded as something developers should use, it turns out it was an error-ridden app.

and these companies say that no personal information was stolen, but that a malware could have allowed icloud passwords and secure information to be stolen and then used against the user. so apple says they're actively working on this right now directly with the apps and making sure that the right tool kits are available. neil: but what is a customer to do and know? because when you go to the apple app store, you just assume everything is hunky dory, it's apple. >> and that's been the reputation, right? it's been a very good, closed-wall garden. this is the second hack this about a year. you had the icloud hacking of the celebrity accounts which was an external attack. malware which is the first of its kind. you make sure your apps are always updated, so if you get the newest version of the apps, you will be safe. they're saying that they have within able to fix the problem, both the companies -- neil: but once those programs are in your system and are doing god knows what, they could shut

your phone or anything down. >> yeah. they can take your information, so the point is to remove it and reset the phone which is very much easier said than done. if you have a question about that for your particular phone, go to apple and bring it and talk to them about it. hey, genius, what can you do for me? neil: more than just talk. you should stick around because i want to get your thoughts on this amazon web service crashing as well. she's been up since two in the morning, but we're just pushing it. we'll see how far we can go with her. in the meantime, morgan wright who says cybersecurity should be a bigger priority, especially if all of these roads lead to china, and wouldn't you though china's president is coming for a big, big fanfare, 21-gun salute welcome to the white house. this is the kind of thing that bothers you greatly, doesn't it? >> absolutely. they're in our network to deeply -- so deeply. if cybersecurity isn't the first

issue on the agenda, it should be tied for first because this is putting our national security and critical infrastructure at jeopardy until we get this under control. right now we're losing the battle. neil: all right. i always wonder we know for a fact that our best cyber experts are saying they are doing this and targeting these companies. it's not just one or two, it's extended to our defense establishment, that they protest too much. i could see us really giving them a jawboning about this, but at the very least not giving them a 21-gun salute. >> look, we legitimize their efforts against us. look, there are some things that are fair game and some things that should be absolutely off limits. fair game, our military targets. as much as it sucks, the fact that our office offers knell management breaches were exposed, those were the targets. if this were the college football season, you know, they just is had week three, it's like a coach coming out saying we've got great offense, but our defense stinks. we have great e, boffens

that's not the problem. if our defense was as good as our offense, we wouldn't need to have these kinds of discussions with china until the government makes changes and they start protecting us and creating the policies the way they should. we'll keep having these types of events happening. neil: donald trump is famous for saying we don't need the chinese. if we stop buying their stuff, he called it crap, they wouldn't be in the powerful position they are. what do you make of that? >> look, i'm going to stay out of presidential politics because i'm, obviously, not qualified. neil: hey, that hasn't stopped me. come on, join the club. [laughter] >> the danger is anybody can run for president. no, but you're right. the political discussions, the economic discussions have a huge impact when we start talking national security. we may not take certain steps on our national security because we're worried about our debt, we're worried about how much in debt we are, worried about how much it would affect our jobs and trade and commerce. you start taking those things off the table, and at least if you don't level the playing

field, you make the cost of an attack on the united states so complex and so costly it takes longer and it's harder to do. right now, i hate to say it, but it's almost child's play, the way they're able to penetrate us. neil: they're not shaking in their boots, to your point. thank you very much, morgan wright. a time when everything seems to become vulnerable right now, i mentioned what was going on with apple and its app store, but amazon web services, that was crashing over weekend. but it looks like it took down a lot of other sites that use this same service. all over my knowledge base. jo ling kent is back with us, it affected the likes of netflix and tinder and a and d. the same thing happened, i guess, in 2013, same drill? >> yeah. this particular case was in virginia in one of the regional centers where they experienced an outage. it was not a hack or breach or external factor -- neil: do they know what it was? >> -- according to amazon. it's very, very technical, but

essentially there was an issue in a subet of data that -- subset of data that helps run the servers. neil: data that -- gotcha. gotcha. >> it's complicated, in fact t. neil: sure. >> it's complicated to understand. i've been talking to the amazon web services people for the last 36 hours about this, and the issue really is it's not an external hack. but -- neil: doesn't matter. >> they lost a lot of money. remember back in 2013? they lost, according to buzzfeed, a thousand dollars per second. neil: connell mcshane, popular science tech editor, michael, this seems to happen a lot. >> well, no. in the grand scheme of things, this is really just a drop of water in the bucket of information that the web is producing every day, right? neil: this is almost identical to what happened a couple of years ago. >> well, yeah, and that's going to -- so in this particular case the risk that you're running with having amazon run a lot of these servers for these popular services is that when something

goes down at amazon, it goes down across the board. >> you have to make the calculation, they are, actually, got ahead of everybody else, i believe, this doing this and have been able to compete effectively with the likes of microsoft and google. ibh's pretty big in this business. but if you're a company, you have to make the calculation are you going to do it yourself and pay what that costs, or are you going to put up with this thing, to michael's point, that happens every now and then. obviously, many companies -- netflix on down, you mentioned one of your favorites, neil, being tinder -- neil: now, why would you say that? that's dating site, isn't it? >> it is. neil: okay. >> i'd just like to correct myself real quick. neil: yes. >> the issue was with the dynamo dv, not ov -- neil: i was going to -- [inaudible conversations] >> manages table and partition information. neil: i knew that, and i thought, god, she's embarrassing -- >> jo is, we didn't want to embarrass you. neil: it's the internal subset -- bottom line. [laughter] and kind of not funny here,

apple and all the problems it is having here, but you hear this again and again, people who see corrupted, you know, computers and all of this. the chinese jumping in on all of it. it makes people feel a little bit, hey, is anyone secure from any of this? what do you think? >> right. i think in most other industries in technology you're seeing a lot better competition. so when it comes to servers, you know, amazon kind of runs that entire business, and it's pretty close to a monopoly. and you see what happens when a vulnerability hits a company like that. but for messaging, for instance, skype was down earlier today. you know, users, customers can go to a number of other platforms to get their messaging needs satisfied. so google hangout -- neil: what does a guy like you, who's mr. tech, do when that goes down? you have to actually physically talk to people. [laughter] >> no, i mean -- neil: no! [laughter] >> exactly, yeah. i mean, there's usually a way to reroute my needs or my services. neil: do you ever just pick up the phone and say, hey --

>> you know, i use the phone, yeah, quite a bit to do just old school reporting, i guess, on the ground reporting. but for the most part, there are a number of other options for other tech industry -- neil: so much ado about nothing. >> i think that's the largest point, it brings up the importance of backing up, the importance if you're a large company of spreading out your resources and maybe using more than one option so -- neil: would it hurt amazon? because this happened, like i say, two years ago. >> hurt them then. >> yeah. it doesn't help amazon's case, but like you guys said, the amazon web service is such a complex, well put together server system that no one has been able to replicate at that level, so you don't actually have a choice. maybe what connell's really saying if he's going to start a company -- >> yeah, right. neil: do any of you kids today just talk to people? >> what do you mean by that? neil: just talk. >> yeah, of course. technology's enabling us -- neil: when something like this happens, jo ling looks lost. >> i turn into a robot.

what happens? neil: what do you mean turn into one? >> oh, very nice. >> wow. neil: catch jo ling at five in the morning. no, she's a great sport. >> i'll be on at 5:00 tonight too. i am a robot. neil: well, that's going to be neat. just watch to see if she completely falls apart. >> oh, what a vote of confidence. you're the best, neil. neil: guys, i want to thank you very, very much. some other news, and at least this one i can get my arms around. home sales in the latest period surprised a lot of people because they were down 4.7% in the latest period. and a lot of people are looking at that as a sign that after a few months of steadily moving up, 4.8%, it was the prices that moved up 4.7%. but people are reading into that, aha, it's ginning to lose ground. tim root with a collingwood group, are you getting worried? >> no, i'm not getting worried. sooner or later a couple of things have to catch up, particularly income.

you need income to, certainly, move in lockstep with that because interest rates can only go so low. so i'm not worried yet. neil: all right. the you think august was a crazy month for the markets, and i know these things aren't timed for the moment, but do you think that had any factor? people saw things getting really dicey with the market, just said, hey, i'm going to hold off or delay this? >> well, so look at it this way. so, yes, it's off of where it was in july, but, i mean, there's seasonal factors, of course. august is not nearly as hot of a market as july, and year-over-year it's still up 5% even though you saw inventory drop. so, you know, i think janet yellen really spoke for the average homeowners or prospective homeowners which is, i'm scared, you know? i don't have confidence. if she doesn't have confidence to raise interest rates from 0 to 25 basis points, it's hard to expect that the average joe is going to have the confidence to go out and extend themselves and buy a home. neil: but you know, tim, i don't know too many of the majority,

certainly, betting on a rate increase last week. i guess that in the last 24 hours they thought it was possible, and when it didn't happen, they gleaned all sorts of significance into it. i'm wondering if you're hearing these three fed governors and district presidents who are saying, hey, we think rates should still go up at the end of the year, one of the them saying at the october meeting. again, i don't know which will be the case, but i don't know why people reacted the way they did to last week's meeting. was it factored in that they were going to raise? because i didn't think it was. >> it seems like there was just as many smart guys on either side. neil: right, right. >> i use this kind of analogy that the you have a -- think about it like a drug addict, you know? if they're recovering and they've been on methadone for seven years just like the fed's been on zero interest rate policy for seven years yet you're still concerned that by getting off of that methadone that you're going to have a relapse, there's bigger problems ahead of us. neil: that is very well put. if you don't mind, i'm going to steal that as my analysis.

>> use that. neil: methadone. you could also substitute your vice of choice. bakery products come to mind. [laughter] thank you very much, my friend. that's a very good analogy. we should point out that home sales year-over-year are up 12% as are price, all in the same neck of the woods. all right, now, a lot of folks think with this iran deal it's going to happen, there's no way around it. dick cheney says that is a huge mistake. the former vice president, my special guest, on fox news channel at 4 p.m. eastern time. ted cruz also saying much the same. in fact, he thinks it's worth pushing this all the way to a potential government shutdown if need be, that and planned parenthood reasons enough to get tough with the president who they both say ignores the wishes of the american people. we shall see n. the meantime, we've got what had been a better than 50-point advance in the dow down to about 43 points. single handedly turning it around, the biotech selloff. first the tune article, then hillary clinton tweeting on said article that these guys are

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neil: all right. better late than never. we're just getting word from apple that that software upgrade for its apple watch is available ask ready to take advantage of. remember there were some problems last week, it had delayed it while it was also announcing ios 9, the operating system for all other apple damage jets. but the apple watch -- gadgets, but the apple watch software now available after all those bug issues apparently were addressed. we shall see. in the meantime, add a fourth fed governor and/or district president to that 2015 rate hike

is still a very good idea, thank you very much. josh lockhart, the atlanta fed president, joining the likes of jeffrey lacker and john williams and thomas bullard who all argue that a rate hike might be advantageous this year. dennis lockhart, i should say. anyway, thousand that brings to four the number of fed officials who are open to the idea of hiking rates by the end of the year. they only have two more chances, the october meeting and the december meeting. the fed has acted prior without a press conference, but they think given the magnitude of such a hike, it wouldn't risk doing so without explaining it, so more likely than not it would be a december event. there are ten who serve on the federal open market committee, so you'd need a couple more to go along with them. we'll keep you posted. in the meantime, focusing on this iran deal and josh earnest saying that he's very, very confident that the iranians are not only going to comply, but

there's talk of disbanding it and scratching is going nowhere fast. we've got a former state department official on the candidates calling for ripping it up be ask can start ising from scratch. your view is that would be risky. >> i don't personally agree with the agreement, i don't think we should have gone forward with it, but now that we have, we need to see what happens. and these candidates will not with president for almost a year and a half, so it's silly for them to say now that they'll rip it up when they become president. on the first day of their presidency instead of ripping it up, they have to evaluate has iran complied with it, has it been a success, has it achieved the goals of the agreement which is to get iran to stop its nuclear production and "america liveing forward with -- move moving forward with production. any president, republican or democrat, would be wise to go forward with the agreement. if it needs to be augmented some, then the president should do that. but don't rip it up. neil: your argument, it also hurts our global credibility.

some argue the way this deal was constructed argues our credibility, but i do see your point, when you start ripping up deals because you don't like it, it would be counterproductive. here's another argument for ripping it up, it gives the iranians 16, 17 months to just stock up and be loaded for bear. >> well, the agreement -- one of the problems with the agreement is that the iranians can move forward if they want, try to get around the agreement, get around the requirement. there's a trust process with respect to the inspections, and we have to trust them. so, yes, that gives them some time. and i agree with you also as you mentioned that we have to stand by our agreement. this went through a political process, a very significant political process. it passed the political process here this the u.s. the u.s. has an -- neil: well, i do see your point. their point is that it's going to be north korea all over again, that the north koreans just cheat. in the meantime, while we're trying to make sure that they're

enforcing it or we're enforcing it, they just run circles around immaterial, and now we know they're ready -- us, and now we know they're ready to push the button. fair and balanced critic here. do you think the same could be happening on the part of the iranians, that they're hoodwinking us and they have 17 months or so to keep hood winking us? >> well, i'm an optimist about most things, but you have to be a serious optimist to think that iran completely intends to comply with this agreement. i do think it's possible iran will go the route of north korea. there's not much in iran's recent history to suggest that they intend to comply. neil: well, we're releasing sanctioned monies right now that will give them the financial means to do just that. >> that is, that is true. and that's one of the bad things about the agreement. we're going to give them about $100 billion, according to the u.s. it's, we're going to unfreeze that money. iran can use it however it wants. iran does lots of other bad things in the international community other than trying to develop nuclear weapons such as

supporting terrorism, supporting hezbollah, hamas. it can continue to do those things. neil: do we still have a military option if they're cheating that we -- hillary clinton says that would be an option available to her. is there anything in the language of this that would allow for that? >> it doesn't say that in the language but, obviously, if iran violates the agreement, the agreement is null and void, and then the military option is back on the table. i would certainly hope think president, current or tush, would continue to -- current or future, would continue to keep the military option on the table. neil: david, thank you very much. you're a lot younger in person. when we come back, donald trump, in case you didn't hear it, is coming out with a book next month, october 27th, and we're told that is maybe more than a random date, it is also the day before a biography comes out on donald trump, and it is also the birthday of one teddy roosevelt. donald trump has often been fashioning himself as the populist, new wave republican who doesn't easily fit labels.

a book that's coming out then, i i think it's a tear guess and a safe one so they that will be a bestseller. but that's me taking a huge leap. and we already are told all of the other guys are stupid bummings. no. [laughter] more after this. ♪ ♪

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neil: all right. we're told that donald trump has a book coming out october 27. this guy who is spending his own money this race, although he doesn't have to spend that much, the media sort of gloms on to him. i bet his numbers are pretty small. he will make money on the race. has a book coming out on october 27th. birthday of teddy roosevelt. a biography could be stinging. timing everything? we have gerri willis. we have dagen mcdowell. dagen, what do you expect we'll see or hear or read or what. >> gerri, has done more work than i have, basically a policy book covering his ideas on the

economy, taxes, health care, education, national security. my question, is this going to be free? shouldn't we be hearing from the candidate for free? this is his platform. why do we have to pay for it? it is a fund-raising ploy. neil: what do you think? >> the criticism of that, which i don't agree with, i agree with you -- neil: don't be afraid of her. she is violent but she will earn fast. >> ben carson doing same thing. all the candidates do it. the president got what, 1.9 million al vans for his books. right? everybody does it. neil: how much do they iron out details? >> he is bragging how he doesn't need to raise money, right? he will sell finance. this is a way to finance his campaign without actually going out and ask, trait up for money to fund it. neil: will the on details? candidates who have offered detail platforms rue the day. they don't do well in the polls? >> i have confidence there will be no details. more anecdotal, slights of hand

and, insulting anybody he can find. he lost me when he was talking about carly fiorina. i thought that was beyond the pale. this to me seems like, just hard for me to think how a crippled america will be restored to greatness anything other than promotion vehicle for trump's name in all venues. not just major candidate. neil: white house are without detailed policy position. >> he will need to offer some detail as he gets closer, deeper into the race. how will this be any different than all the other books he has written? art of the deal. neil: art of deal was a classic. >> no, it wasn't. no, no. i have numbers. art of the deal -- neil: not judging him on numbers. >> 168,000 people read that book. neil: i was one of them. >> donald trump says everybody read the book. not true. how to friends an influence people. 2 million. >> policy books. he wrote one in 2000 and 2011. neil: don't do a deal unless you're willing to walk away from it. >> i like that.

neil: i thought it was profound. i never done it myself. very tough position to take. >> the book should be free. >> i like that. >> make it free. >> we'll challenge him on twitter. seven million followers. >> are he expecting to call it a book? it is probably a pamphlet. neil: wow. more after this. when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at&t has the tools and the network you need, to make working as one easier than ever. virtually anywhere. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.

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neil: to early to say, this might be time when it looks like info has stopped dropping for

hillary clinton. still getting a lackluster passionate response judging from crowds. bernie sanders talking to same new hampshire crowd generated five times as many that turned out for hillary clinton, same event on the right. be that as it may, her free fall in the polls has stopped at least for now versus bernie sanders. former california governor gray davis on that and whether, do you think, governor, it is possible that the sanders phenomenon is peaking here? way too early to tell but what do you make of that? >> recent cnn poll, hillary increased her lead from 10 to 18 points. you're right, neil, democratic voters and republican voters tend to shop around months before the primary for someone new. bernie is intelligent, he is passionate. he is talking about things caring about as does hillary. hillary, however is national figure. she is known around the world. she not only talkings change, she can make it happen. neil: many disagree with that

notion, as you're aware, governor, joe biden might be called into the race. those numbers can change things if that is the case. she tweeted already today she has no idea what he is going to do. should she worry if he enters the race. >> the joe biden is most beloved figure in the democratic party. he suffered so many personal tragedies. he is a good man. that is intensely personal decision. i have no idea whether he will run or not. think everyone will treat him with respect. hillary benefits from competition. if joe biden gets in the race, bod bless him. i still think hillary will be nominee. neil: if anyone can take her out is it is joe biden, but bernie sanders has shot winning nomination but could never win an national election. experts have been wrong before, governor. many think joe biden could. do you buy that as compelling reason some in your party would turn to him? >> i can't say anything by good things about joe biden.

neil: he has been saying a lot nicer things about joe biden than hillary clinton. >> i'm all in for hillary clinton. neil: only save one, who would be it? >> hillary clinton. neil: oh, okay. >> hillary clinton because they can make change happen. we need to deal with income inequality, improve the economy and, you know, i think act in a more smart and forceful way in foreign affairs. neil: thank you very much, above. always good seeing you. >> thank you, neil. neil: in on the republican side donald trump and carly fiorina and ben carson, three candidates you think about it, without any political experience. marshaling about 60 plus percent of the vote when all is said and done. david webb on the fast-changing developments and who benefits and how. it is all about the ground game, you're telling me during the break? >> it is about viability. donors look at the viability of the candidate. here is what trump has to do. six to eight people drop out of bottom. we see where those numbers shift. this is the business of

politics. do those numbers shift to trump or does he have a ceiling? when it comes to fiorina and carson, carson hit 33 states or so, 125 cities. he has very solid base of half a million contributors. small donors. they're building a base. fiorina started with a super-pac in the last cycle. worked in six key states. she is working in early states. neil: they're committing money to things that matter, getting out the vote. >> the donor looks at who is viable? who can win the election. this is where it will shake out. you have to lose the chaff. with all respect to the guys at the bottom, if you're not viable, you're not going to get any way. neil: despite all the numbers that donald trump isn't viable to them, do they think he is at ceiling of 30%? >> we don't know. the thing is, we don't know. everybody is trying to be predictor. i'm not a predictor. i'm not in the horse race game. i look next february, first three early caucus primaries.

then i look at southern primaries. by february, march you will see who is there. who survives the cold political winter. who falls off, who is still around then. that is when we get an idea. neil: you get high manages for donald trump, passion crowd, show up regardless. he generates that. they are folks that go out and vote, not typical republican voters. many disenfranchised, independent voters. they're the ones who could make him president. do you buy that. >> if it was angry, disgruntled. broken state government, broken government, political establishment yeah, but what you're seeing at trump rallies, people curious. independents, wondering what they're about. seeing same thing when fiorina is on the ground. she doesn't get twitterverse than trump does. he is bigger than life or carson. when you go to their individual rallies look at people going to them. you see similarity. people are looking for leadership. yes, they're aingery, neil. americans are fed up.

30 years plus of failure on the borders. va system that is in disrepair. frankly with all due respect for trump, you can say you love the vets but there are plans need to be put in place. neil: we're told he might say. >> stop telling me what you're going to do the fix the the va problem when elected. get off your ass, get down to d.c., start with the problem. va surge can happen now with existing resource, existing soldiers. instead of going to a fort for the weekend and sitting around during reserve training? put them to work helping. we can do things now. the candidate who picks that up will reach a lot of americans. neil: very well-said, very well-said. david webb. you doesn't mess with david. you just don't. you don't mess with the pope, right? what do you do about people thinking of doing just that? the security efforts for this pontiff are unlike any we have ever seen. you ever wonder what police look for in a crowd? after this. ♪

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his predecessor, look at these stats. benedict was here, 08. market did well. up 4%. john paul ii was here a lot in the u.s. generally market did well. 1987 was an exception. paul vi was here in 1966. that 1% move was nine points in the dow back in 1965. more on the pope's visit from neil. he is back with more "coast to coast" in just a moment.

neil: the host country's biggest fear, especially this pope who likes to wade into large crowds. telling me friend, nypd officer bill stanton all the preparations for the pope's arrival. reagan rule or standard set up after he was shot in 1981, that if you were to look at the crowd outside of the hilton hotel, there was one guy seemed out of sorts and that was hinckley, who emotionless and didn't seem to get into the spirit of things with the president right nearby. they have since learned to look at crowd, who is unusual. in this city that is everybody. >> that's right. you're looking at printing. could there be a gun. printing, meaning under the jacket. we're following intelligence many, many months in advance.

the scariest thing, people, neil, that are self-activated or terrorist, ready did, willing and able to give up his life. neil: how do you screen for that? you can't, right? >> you can't. to add to make things harder for nypd and law enforcement agencies protect pop, this pope likes to go off script. he likes to step into the crowd, embrace the crowd. you get that perfect storm. trouble could happen. neil: when they're outside of secure areas, wading into a crowd or not in protected venue anymore, all bets are off. think about it. that is when our presidents have been attacked. when they're outside protected venues. >> when they're outside the bubble, neil, part of what law enforcement does, second to none, john miller is counterterrorism commissioner, who is a friend to us both, what they do, they troubleshoot. they get into the minds of the bad guy. they will go through different scenarios how to protect from there but they can only do it so

much. there are some different ways, you know, to do something evil or horrible. it is a tough job and there is no one better up to it, than the nypd. neil: do they advise -- we've got to keep you away from the crowds? i know you like to go into the crowds but they should preselect those crowds? or right outside of st. patrick's cathedral they will frisk those right outside of the cathedral? how do they do that. >> you have the mind of the security expert. that is exactly what they're doing. they will advise. whether this pope takes that council. neil: some of them don't. john kennedy would not. wouldn't put bubble on. >> day of open car. neil: new book looking forward to reading it. bill stanton is the man. you don't want to mess with him. we had former mob guy, but he puts him to shame. >> bring him on. neil: greek prime minister lives to fight another day. he and his party survive.

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neil: boy, apple making news left and right today. apple watch software patch out, upgrade. that is finally out today. ios 9, 50% of users up graded. talking about speeding up electric car efforts. shipments up by 2019. dagen is with us. ashley is here. connell is here. ashley, what do you make of this effort? >> i don't know, saying to connell, i'm not so sure they should be in the car business to

be honest with you. i know they're looking for new areas and apple rules the world and probably brand everything. i'm not so sure. >> that will be one of the quotes in 10 years. ashley webster -- number one car. neil: ashley covered henry ford when he came up. said he was going nowhere fast. >> same with the internet. >> computer companies getting in mp3 players. neil: is that outside of its purview? >> cars in this country around the world are increasingly just computers. neil: that is true. >> they are full of technology. i know there is stalk in silicon valley about trying to do something like this, even through startups. >> even an electric car? >> you know what? by the way this will not be the fully autonomous, driverless car. they will come out something more akin to what we drive nowadays, although electric, why i have never been a bull on tesla, they have been late on car delivery. >> right. >> so much hype and hoopla around elon musk.

wait for somebody coming along to do better job. neil: somebody better to survive. >> you hated on electric cars. neil: right. >> hate, hate, hate, volt. now you're wrong. boo, i win. neil: plug it in. takes forever. >> same as your iphone. neil: but i don't drive my iphone. >> how many emails do you have by the way? [laughter]. kind of interesting what happel changes approach. we'll do it ourselves. neil: yeah. >> we were talking with google last week. the make something as they did with android and other companies to make. apple probably looks at technology and cars and says - neil: committed project, that's what we're hearing. code name titan. triple to 600 person team behind it. front cover of "the wall street journal." >> apple is consumer electronics company. so that's what electric car is, consumer electronics. neil: stupid. >> true but i don't know. >> we said it would be a size of

like an old lincoln continental, neil. neil: that is brilliant. any car that i have to like, does myself in olive oil to get in will not survive. speaking of which -- >> i love this segue. neil: only saying that because i didn't like the way that sounded. [laughter] greece, greece, they reelected prime minister. >> they have, alexis tsipras. neil: more than survived. what do you think of that? >> you know what? they're a funny bunch the greeks. they tell you that themselves. we're nuts. neil: i don't remember any of your live reports saying that right in front of them? >> no. you have to be smart about it. got baseball bats. no, look, they like tsipras because he snubbed his nose to europe and -- i know he did but they like him. he is young. certainly doesn't have a majority but, to be honest with you, the greeks have terrible choice or even worse choice. there is no good choice.

you drop out of the euro or -- neil: coalition government? but he still owes money. >> independent greek party. but bottom line is they will need another bailout to pay off this bailout in the future. >> now he has been charged with enforcing the austerity agreement. he is most brilliant politician to come along in memory. >> sure. he is. >> tells people what they want to hear. ends up fighting against or caving in because he had no choice. neil: clintonian. it is brilliant. >> funny, because he lost a lot of his own party. they split. you ruined this party. they formed their own party. disappeared off the map. they didn't get any votes at all. he is smart to dagen's point. neil: does it send a signal on debt? if you're european lenders this guy gave you a headache and survives to fight another day? >> he did cave ultimately. >> right. >> but the bottom line he will want debt relief. they will have to decide -- neil: what have they done to meet those debt agreements?

>> they privatized some of the roadways, some of the airports. they will privatize half of the country's electricity network. they're they move at snail's pace but they -- they have tax reform. next 100 days that is completely reform the pension system. they have to do that. neil: still retire at 25 or something like that. >> no. not anymore. maybe 49 but not 25. neil: they still have a government they can't afford, right? >> absolutely. >> this makes sense to me logically if you're people in greece. i know ashley said he eventually caved in this guy tsipras, let's elect somebody that will fight against the moves and keep as much stuff as we possibly can. we don't want somebody in here -- neil: would apple make the car in greece, if so, what kind of car. >> apple could buy greece. it would be cheaper. they have enough cash. neil: optimistic for greece's future or apple car. which has better future. >> tackle corruption and tax evasion and people will go on vacation there again maybe. >> they will.

neil: it is a beautiful place. >> you can have island of geeks and greeks. just thought about that. neil: that is the way we roll. that is the way we roll. >> market goes up when the pope's in town? >> i'm just on this panel to avoid you guys getting struck by lightning because i'm -- neil: you are the one that ripped pope. >> you're church of england. you're a number one for the lightning bolt. neil: dagen and her remarks earlier. tell dagen she is going to hell! >> old irishman? neil: yes. [laughter]

neil: going from bad to worse in syria and all the refugees. we're just learning russia and iran seem to be coordinating the defense of assad regime. ass flooded from syria. they might not all be syrians. how do we respond to that? i will be talking to dick cheney, the former vice president, my special guest on "your world," two hours from

now on fox news channel. along with senator ted cruz who similarly says enough is enough. world is taking advantage of it. both gentlemen say it is time to change things. we'll explore that with them. trish regan now. trish: neil, apple dedicated to a car ship date by 2019. apple trying to get in on the act. i'm trish regan, this is "the intelligence report." we'll have more from apple. up about a buck at 114 and change. don't forget apple last august hired a whole bunch tesla engineers. this is talked about and rumors and everybody anticipated at some point this would come. here you go. announcing today that they are designating this as a quote, committed project and that they will have an electric car on the market in 2019. tesla right w,