what you viewers had to say on facebook first off about kevin mccarthy dropping out of the house speaker race. try this. ken says love it. he was just a boehner clone. it's time to elect a new leader. my time's up, neil cavuto, yours. neil: it doesn't sound like you're a big fan of comic-con. >> no. i don't know what it is. neil: i was just back from anchorman con, and "we" we have a great time. we want you to come. [laughter] we've got a lot going on right now. talk about drama on capitol hill. just in case that you think that the have beens will part should he decide to run for speaker of the house, think again. congressman daniel webster says this isn't about the individual, it's about the process. he is one of the key candidates here that wants to become the next speaker of the house and congressman joining us exclusively right now, very good to have you. one of the things i noticed

after this conference meeting you were asked about paul ryan, sir, you said you're not running against the person or personality but rather the process and a set of principles. what did you mean by that? >> well, i meant that the process -- the way it exists now is a power-base process where a few people at the top of that pyramid of power have all the power but they also run everything. and what i want to do is have something based on principle -- let me give you an example. when i was in the state legislature before i became speaker, i had a bill, the bill was killed not because of what it said, it was killed because i was a lowly freshman rapport whatever, it was my position that killed it. that's the way power works. principle says, look, everybody gets a shot. push down the pyramid of power, let every member have a opportunity. they represent 700,000 people, they ought to be able to represent them through amendments and bills and speakers and kinds of things and that's the process we're talking about. neil: so it sounds to me, sir,

what you're saying is unlike your cospeaker candidate, jason who would step aside to make way for paul ryan should he decide to run for speaker, you would not? >> no. again, i want to promote what i'm promoting, and it doesn't have to do with like i said the personalities. it has to do with the way we run the house of representatives. if we don't change that, we're not going to change our statue among the people and certainly not going to change the gop label. neil: so just a big name and a cross over peel name like paul ryan unless he sticks to those principles, you want to change this process, you wouldn't necessarily leave the race; right? >> right. . neil: all right. what about the speaker boehner then staying on to the end of the year, maybe even longer to sort this out? >> well, i do think we have to have a leader, and i mope it would be yesterday, it didn't work on you the that way. neil: why didn't, by the way?

do you know? obviously when mccarthy stepped down, there were two other guys in the room open to take on the job, why didn't they go ahead and hold a vote? >> well, that's a good question. but what i will tell you is i think probably a good idea, they probably wouldn't have delayed it had i been the person that dropped out. but that's all right. i think delaying is good, we can go back, retool, and still get a chance to present our message of principle-based, member-driven congress. neil: it was pretty weird, though, congressman, up there, i was not, one guy takes himself out of the race, two others interested, and they close up shop and say we'll talk about this later. what did you think? >> well, i think everybody was shocked to begin with. i've never -- i've been in the legislative process for 36 years, i've never seen anything like that before. neil: did you guys say, hey, look, guys, we're here, let's vote among the two of us that are interested. >> well, i don't think we had a chance.

even if we had -- it was up, done, adjourned, goodbye. that was it. neil: wow. congressman, another idea is to have a caretaker speaker i guess for the next year and a half or so until this is ironed out, maybe even a shorter duration, what do you think of that? >> i think that will be hard even though these positions expire every two years, in this case every 14 months and that would be a tough thing to do. the person would be lame duck before it got started, before the vote was cast, there would be a question and new thrip place already being embarked on just the delay he sort of -- the ink drives and he's the speaker for 14 months, i think that would be really, really tough to run. neil: you know, in the meantime, we're up against some key deadlines here, the first one is at the end of this month when the national trust fund runs out of money. the next day was the day that

house speaker boehner was to leave. november 5th is when the government runs out of money. i could go on and on here, but they're backing up like planes at -- well, reagan national. what do you do? >> well, let me give you the picture of what's being drawn here. that's exactly what i'm talking about when we talk about a principle-based member-driven congress. we would take up the most important issues first instead of looking at our watch and say wowing it's only a couple of days and the government's going to shut down or program's going to run out or some other thing. it's honest. we should decide those things through regular process, regular order, up front, long before the deadline. if we do that, we won't run into these situations where we get jammed by the senate or as the president said, if you don't do it this way, we're going to veto it. all those things happen near a deadline. neil: is it your sense that right now the house or the

republicans are around a few candidates, are they still reaching out? do you feel offended that they're reaching out you're interested in this position and then they're saying, no, you're not our cup of tea. >> yeah. i understand that but that's just somebody's opinion and doesn't keep me to sell what i'm trying to sell. i realize they're looking for other candidates, and they may find them. nothing wrong with running for an office and having one or two or three or however many candidates. that's not the problem. the problem is how we run the house. neil: you touched on, and i think it's part of your appeal, this is a tea party or conservative versus moderate position, it's just a lot of those who are frustrated are frustrated with not being listened to, not having their legislative ideas responded to, not getting votes going. i know ube you've been a fan of saying yay or nay, let's get votes on the table, but

the process is slimy by a select few who pick and choose who gets their ear and what issues the house picks up. but that's easier said than done to change. you would as speaker if you got it to kind of -- be kind of hurting yourself; right? as a power center. >> well, if you wanted to still be a power person, yes. but i want to serve this body, and if you do that, it's amazing what can happen. in florida, at the end of the session when we closed on time having done all of the major issues when i was speaker of the house, both republicans and democrats leaped to their feet and cheered. they weren't cheering for me, they were cheering for the fact that the old system was dead and something based on principle that included every one of them was a lie. neil: what about the this notion that you're a good man, congress, that you feel they would be almost too much of a deal maker that you would be like a john boehner that you would actually entertain making deals with democrats, even more than he did because

you're open to change the process, get everybody involved. what do you think? >> well, i think the power of the institution is the body working together. i mean everybody's talked about that. and that's the way to do it. and the body working together doesn't necessarily mean that the final deals are cut by the speaker or any other leader. they're cut by the -- the policy that's put fourth by the house. when you do that instead of when you can go to conference you're saying okay. this is the house position. this is not the republican leadership position. this is not the republican controlled congress position, this is the house position and there's something very powerful about that. neil: but that's a perk that parties die for; right? i mean when you've got the majority in the house, obviously that was a very forceful speaker. now, the history suggestions we usually have forceful speakers, john boehner is one, whether you like him or not, nancy was another whether or not you like her, but the history suggestions that the

forceful speaker is more the rules of the exception; right? >> yeah. that's true and that's what i call a power-based system. when we did it in florida, not only the members but so did the public. the polling numbers were no better than the ones that we have now. but they're in the teens but once with he instituted that, the policy made very good notice on every bill, didn't try to trick everybody, brought them all up first and got them out of the house, all of that happened and the numbers flipped right-side up, 56% favorable, 26% un. neil: what did you do those are pretty good numbers. i know you've got to go as well, we appreciate your time. do you think there should be a witness test for a speaker, or speaker candidate, one rap inches comes up from paul ryan, for example, his plans on legal immigration have been interpreted by some not all, tea parties in particular as amnesty and that alone might cause some dustup in concerns

as far as gathering those 218 votes. what do you think. >> no. i don't believe there should be some sort of test. what i believe there should be is a test on how the house is actually going to operate and be managed. i believe that is the most important test there is. so as far as some sort of political or ide ideological test of or sort, i don't believe that should be the ultimate test. neil: so if you became speaker and a member didn't like the way you were handling the process or forwarding measures that would come up for a vote, would you punish that member? >> absolutely not. power punishes. but not principle. principle never punishes, power always punishes. neil: all right. so you wouldn't take away someone's committee assignment or put them in a broom closet. >> no. i'm trying to win over members not shut them in a closet or push them away. neil: all right, congressman, thank you very, very much. all right. dan webster is the front runner right now in that race to become the next speaker but a long way as our

blake berman would tell you from the 218 votes he would need. it's interesting, blake, what he was telling me about paul ryan that he would not be greeted with, you know, open arms necessarily. it would depend on his position on this process. so unlike jason, he wouldn't step aside, what do you make of that? >> yeah. no, daniel webster has said from the beginning, and he just told you there that he is not going to go anywhere during this race, you know, whether that's over the next couple of hours or days or into the weeks. whenever this vote take place. the focus clearly right now as you know, neil, is right on paul ryan. there was that meeting earlier this morning, we're told that paul ryan did not speak during it at all, but we are just getting our first statement actually from the ryan camp. it's one sentence. i want to read it to you quick. they say, and i'm quoting here, chairman ryan appreciates the support he's getting from his colleagues but is still not running for speaker. now, they say they're still

not running for speaker but we can tell you according to one of ryan's colleagues from wisconsin, he said yesterday that he was told hell no was the quote as far as running but now a senior gop source tells fox that ryan has gone from that to a maybe. either way the question for ryan is really the same for any potential candidate. could he get to that magic number of 218, it looks like the house freedom caucus is going to have to push whoever over that bar and after that meeting today, jeff fleming, who is a member of that caucus said they still support dan webber, and he just told you -- or dan webster that he's not going anywhere. but congressman darrell said that ryan, he's hearing could receive some support from within that freedom caucus. i want you to take a listen to that real quick. >> the fact is paul ryan is the right man right now. he has moderate support, and very clearly has conservative support. members of the freedom caucus

come after me one after another saying let paul we would be with him. neil: so for now the freedom caucus says daniel webster is our guy. daniel webster says he's not going anywhere, but you mention those concerns, neil, that some republicans might have about paul ryan. i want to read you real quick from eri eric eric for that, caps on ceo pay, the gio bill, and the fiscal cliff, he says paul ryan is one of less than a dozen congressman who have voted for every bailout to come before congress. that right there might be some of the heat that paul ryan gets forward. neil. neil: you look good from afar but once you're in the race or looks like you might be interested in the good, far from good. >> exactly. neil: thank you very, very much. there is another strategy here, congress is free to look outside its own dish for congressman.

you can just search the country. chad on that. chad, how realistic is that and how would it be done? >> that would be extraordinary because that's never happened on capitol hill. it doesn't say anywhere you have to be a member of the body but we're a little ways from going down that particular path. they want to see if this paul ryan thing works out or they could go to another candidate, who would not be a strong paul ryan or consensus candidate and if they get into a hold here, and some say they're in a substantial hold, i would not be surprised to hear very alternative chart about something that just a few weeks ago would seem very farfetched. again, all has to happen is that person has to be nominated and win on the floor. you know, each time the past couple of speaker elections we have had nonmembers of the body get votes on the floor. they don't even have to be formally nominated on the floor or the caucuses. neil: how would it work? serve a two-year term.

>> like additional congress. neil: but that would be an additional congressman; right? >> no. that's the irony. they wouldn't get to vote because they're not representing. they would just be a speaker of the house. and transitionally here in the house of representatives, the speaker usually doesn't vote. i would say john boehner only votes 10 or 15% of the time just because they try to stay above the fray. but we've had other speaker elections, neil, where someone like rand paul got some votes for speaker, david walker, who is the former voter of currency, david walters voted for him, so it's not unheard of, collin powell got a couple of votes a couple of years ago as well. again, that person would not be a 436 member, they would simply be a person of the house and that is a far field -- there's been some far field things happen the past couple of days here. neil: yes. indeed. real quickly on this paul ryan situation and the fact that there might be wiggle room to entice him and be a patriot

and and your country needs you and that sort of thing but we're hearing from the conservative members that his votes on some of these big issues and in particular on illegal immigration might hurt him and might mean that he would have trouble getting those 218 votes. what do you think? >> pete says it's ridiculous to think think he's republican enough to be speaker of the house. you have other members who you say tarp and bailouts and fiscal issues that he's voted for. again, you're going to have people gang up on anyone who gets into the fray. but that would be some badgage and that would be the problem for paul ryan if he's going to do this because he has to make some undecisions, some things that are going to particular off those on the right. i had one member who didn't want to be identified this morning tell me that they view him as john boehner's mouthpiece, as part of the establishment, and i think this is the that everybody

goes through, when gets to 218 votes, the vote for paul ryan would be stronger than kevin mccarthy, he once in the race with 200 votes and stronger than the 200 votes that mccarthy had. but can he get to 218 and paul ryan can't get to 218, that's a bigger problem and i think some of the calculus that paul ryan is going through right now, and cramer said we shouldn't try to guilt anybody into this. and scott, who is a republican congressman from colorado indicated to me, you know, it's obvious that he's struggling with this, and if you're paul ryan, you know, you don't want to pressure somebody. you don't want this reluctant warrior be the person you draft. neil: thank you very much. well, if any of this is concerning for wall street, take a look here. not much changed, the s&p having the best week of the year. so obviously these big issues that are going to be hitting and very soon including the

highway trust if you understand that runs out of money this month, the next day, the house speaker set to resign that day, the november 5th the government runs out of money to pay its debts on november 5th, december 11th is temporary accord to keep the government lights on. the shutdown could be happening on that day if they haven't resolved this. and yet all of these seem like far away issues, are they? daily cooler news foundations chris bedford, and david mercer. chris, you first. the markets are shaking off we're going to have a crisis. what do you think? >> well, i don't think there's a reason for the markets to think, inside capitol hill, all this "house of cards" stuff, game of thrones, not going to elect someone from wall street and make any major difference in defense or regulation or finance. neil: no. that's not what i'm saying. the uncertainty that hasn't hit them yet, i think it's a very, very remote if at all possibility that the

government shuts down or that we don't handle this debt thing right. but, again, they've been stunned before. could they be stunned now? what do you think. >> they absolutely could be stunned again, it's certainly possible but i think a lot of republicans and a lot of the conservatives that i know who have led the charge in the past when the shutdowns, the shutdowns happen and they tricked boehner into it and they caught the dog by the car, and i don't think they want to get that taste again. neil: david, what do you think of that? >> well, let me say that the party is coming unhinged with what's going on and. neil: you think your party? >> i said the republican party. the republican party is unhinged. and they've got to put it back together to get back to america's business. neil: well, wait a minute. if you're going to argue unhinged, isn't it fair to say that universal balanced unhingedness going on; right? >> we will say that then. that said, we're calling into

question or seeing being called into question the issue of governance? can they governor? we've been shutdowns before and here we are again having leadership crisis with republican party that's creating or could create uncertainty towards the financial stability of the country with regard to a debt filling looming as well as getting to the budget and as you mentioned or others have mentioned the highway trust fund. so there's a lot of issues. and it just so happens by accident or intellectuall intentionally they come to the final line and they don't need to governor that way and it's proof in the pudding how the republicans are governing. neil: i do want to focus on the fact that democrats are not on the same page, even on trade. that's going to be a big issue. so if i hear differences between hillary clinton and bernie sanders and about whether you accept the president's big trade agreement or you don't as both

seem to oppose, isn't that a kettle beginning to boil. >> yeah. but this is way beyond -- the issue the gop is facing is way beyond disagreements on issues. neil: those are big issues. bank account. >> they are. you're right. they are. neil: trade is a nonstarter. >> but trade is maybe a debate within the democratic party but we're going to see the trade agreement i believe go through. neil: okay. >> that said it's not getting in the way of governing and getting -- neil: fair enough. fair enough. i understand. chris, that is going to be the rap against republicans that they can't get their you know what together and that that's because, you know, you've got egos, people who don't feel they're loved are being paid attention to and is that the fall of speaker boehner and the leadership that has cavalierly dismissed their interests, their ideas, even their phone calls. >> i think it's ludicrous to say that the republicans are

in more disarray than the democrats. >> well, you can say so say it but it's not true. >> we have a secretary of state pushing through, that's a huge issue, republicans on the hill are fighting over. neil: well, chris, what i asked you about with the leadership, the house leadership has failed because it is not listening to all of its members and the chickens are coming home to roost and those chickens are very angry and feed off. >> i think that's absolutely true, and i think representative webster is correct to say there's a huge issue even with the caucus upset about the process and the leadership, we've been mccarthy on his way out, boehner resigning, the whole leadership is on disarray and that's why it's open to paul ryan because he's not on the leadership team. >> and if i might add, you had -- what happened with mccarthy is that he forgot in trying to prove his conservative credentials with the show, and he disclosed a

secret that he forgot was a secret on the true purpose of the benghazi committee. he underlined a trust and all the republicans said that the benghazi committee with the charge. neil: well, you're -- to be fair, you're making that leap in the repression here. but you're quite right to say that the comments did torpedo. gentlemen, i want to thank you both very, very much. congressman bob, joining us now from the fine state of virginia. congressman, as a republican seeing this back and forth going on among your members, is paul ryan your potential savior? what do you think? >> well, we have a number of good people, including paul ryan who could serve as speaker of the house. but the point i've been making for the last 24 hours along with jeb and about 18 or 19 of our colleagues who send a dear colleague to all of our republican house members is that we have institutional problems here that no longer

allow a conference to act as a majority and then go to the floor with the confidence that they will vote for the nominee or the majority of the conference. so we need to deal with those problems and what i've suggested is that we slow down, don't put the new speaker ahead of the changes to the process that need to take place or that new speaker is just going to walk into the same buzz saw that the previous leaders have had. we've got the debt limit coming up, other continuing revolution or on menist, appropriatations coming up and unless we have a different approach that has to be worked on quickly but needs to be working on a on going fashion as well, before i go together representatives from all the corners of our conference, new members, senior members. neil: that hasn't happened. one thing i hear from a lot of you. >> it's starting to happen no. neil: well, you might be right. but what i hear from a lot of your members is they're ticked off. they're like the not so cool kids in school, ignored by the cool kids, and they've had it,

they've had it with being ostracized, with being put aside, had it with not having their calls returned, had it within the having their legislative ideas voted on in a committee and the full bodieded house, apparently half a piece of legislation for which there's ample bipartisan support that speaker boehner froze up maybe for good reasons but whatever they are just tired of being slighted. >> neil, you have accurately described the symptoms, and we have got to get to the cause, which means there may be rules changes for the house. there may be rules changes for the republican conference, but there has to be strong buy in to that from all corners of the conference. neil: well, paul ryan the guy that can do that or to, you know, talk to webster? no, not necessarily. >> whoever -- whoever gets the opportunity to be the next speaker of the house wants to feel like it's an opportunity and not lying on a bed with 247 nails poking up on them. neil: that's not what i asked. do you think paul ryan is a

guy who could fill that role? >> i think we are getting ahead of ourselves when we try to pick a new speaker on television when there are so many serious problems that we have. neil: that's what we're looking at. we are looking at he who is being wooed by a number of your colleagues, the guy who can save republicans in the house. do you buy that? >> there is a lot of that going on and as i say paul ryan would be a fine speaker of the house. however, getting to the point where it used to be, where 247 like we have now or whatever the majority is stand up on the floor when their name is called and vote for that no nominee for speaker is where we've got to reposition ourselves. that entails a lot more than just selecting a new candidate for speaker. it involves having a heart to heart discussion with all corners of our conference about how. neil: nowhere near resolving this; right? >> we are not. neil: you're not. okay. >> we are not. we have a lot of work to do. neil: all right. great having you go, sir, thank you for taking the time.

>> thanks, neil,. neil: how i think i know why former congressman and republican left the party, not a fan of the republican party either. ran as an independent. what do you think of it? >> well, it is a mess. but congresses has done any appropriations since 2006? so -- neil: you make a good point because going back to nancy, even going back before, it has been a system where the leaders favor the few or target or range and orchestrate how matters are going to get done. how did it get so out of control, though, because i don't remember dickerson operating this way or o'neal operating this way. republican and democratic. >> well, you know what? i really believe that the real problem facing the country is the fact that we spend more money than what we take in and we do need to balance the federal budget and these 40 members have committed themselves to balancing a federal budget. neil: so you don't think

they're just crazies. >> no, i don't. i applaud them for driving this process because like i say i think this is the biggest balance we face. that means in a appropriation process where you would determine what should get more money perhaps or what should be cut. it isn't just -- if it continues the way it does, if there's a shutdown threatened, and we just have a continuing resolution, that also, in my opinion, is a positive because it will be less spending than if they actually enter into the process and give in on spending. but i don't see that happening. neil: you know, governor, i think you were ahead of your time. that is the revolutionary ticked off mad as hell candidate just as the system is broke we've got to do something. because now those are the most popular candidates if you think about it from donald trump, carly fiorina, ben carson, outside the box figures who are rallying against the system, they argue has failed. but argument against the crazy

angry people pointing fingers at the system is that they've got to work within that system, and they'll fail trying to correct it. what do you say. >> well, it is -- that is the process. and i thought that your remarks earlier were just dead on. more mad as hell. we don't want to take it anymore and i'm one of those people and running as a libertarian, there are more choices than just the two parties. and -- neil: are you going to do that again? >> i hope so. neil: they decide; right? >> right. the famine or floo. neil: right. >> i hope to enter into that fray. but i'm not at presence. i mean the whole. neil: how do you think donald trump would do in this environment? he leads in all the polls, and he could not possibly get a handle on this. >> well, it really corollary to my having run for governor. i started a business in new mexico, grew it to 1,000

employees, never involved in politics before it was to bring a common sense approach government, best sense, lowest price, i think that's what donald trump is putting in there but with immigration, i think he's out to lunch with regard to the wall, and i know it's going to be a big wall, a perfect wall, a wall with everybody. neil: you just guaranteed some nasty suites, my friend. >> i'm not for the wall. neil: i know. i know. but you do hit on a nerve that you hit on, i think is renewed now. this frustration, and it's announced, you can see it within the democratic party, i had a democratic guest who didn't see it in his own eyes with what's going on, bernie sanders, hillary clinton, and this to the left and the confusion among the mainstream that you feel that side never wins the white house. what is going on here? it's like everyone is in crazy land. >> well, i believe that. i mean i think that -- i really don't think democrats can ballet checkbook and republicans, you know, they're

so bent on their social conservative agenda that they're going to put everybody in jail for personal choices. and i think the majority of americans fall in between that. i think a majority of. neil: smoke and first pot. >> well, i think everybody is fis fiscally conservative, the decisions to you and how you deal with those decisions . neil: that sounds like donald trump. >> well,. neil: that's kind of his view. >> well, immigration. neil: do you want to be donal donald trump's running man? >> no. i take ception with what he's saying with immigration and tax policy. what an opportunity to really talk about scrapping the whole system completely. i mean changing abolishing income tax and corporate tax, replacing it with a consumption tax, which would involve -- neil: revolutionary ideas. >> eliminating the irs. replaced by states actually doing that collection. neil: okay. >> but compared to the irs, the administration that would go along with collecting that .

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beam back the state legislature before speaker and a bill, the bill was killed not because of what it said, but because i was a structured republican. i knew it was my position to kill it. everybody gets a shot. spread out the base. let every member have an opportunity. they ought to be able to represent them. neil: it is not a crazy idea. the next speaker of the house. not necessarily getting out of the way if paul ryan entered the race. i think it really comes back down to something i raised yesterday. no one likes to be slighted. year after year of frustrating members and those that feel that a are out of sync with the cool guys, they were put aside.

the ideas were ignored. >> is now part of what goes along with being a minority? i am serious. a lot of republicans feel like this small faction, look what happened. >> people made america hate republicans even more than they do now. neil: beyond this, a process. >> shutting down. here is my question. what do they want? neil: a process -- >> they want attention. neil: until a deadline is staring them in the face they do not want these grenades all the time. neil: as painful as it is -- >> i agree with dagen. i think that she is right.

>> people that really cannot get anything necessarily done. they can make a lot of noise. the idea ideas that they are proposing is not necessarily going anywhere. bipartisan support by 200 points. all of these guys, not just the rebellious. why, when we have a bipartisan legislation, why did this have to sit in the inbox of a speaker or majority leader or a minority leader and go nowhere because the power decided we will not do it? >> fair enough. however, let's focus on what republicans have done. federal spending fell significantly with the

sequestered in the spending. it was down a few years in a row. that is a significant achievement for the republicans. i understand why people felt like john boehner -- i understand why a lot of this happened. maccarthy, horrible communicator. put him in front of a camera that was like cindy brady. i do not know why a paul ryan would want to lead a group of people that did not want to be read. >> a lot of motivation in this. i can see why somebody like that would want to be the speaker of the house. neil: no, that's fine did from paul ryan's point of view versus danny webber's, what is your motivation? i know this sounds cynical. somebody could call you for speaker of the house. a lot of it comes with that. you can go make some money on

that. giving and making a lot of money. paul ryan's point of view. what is his motivation? neil: you are just so in sync. >> winded and establishment become synonymous with kardashian? the motivation for paul ryan is if a republican does get elected to the white house, you are the speaker of the white house. neil: you are the one that said kardashian. you had some blocks and you had major thoroughfares and corridors that were just totally pitch black. those things had to change. we wanted to restore our lighting system in the city. you can have the greatest dreams in the world, but unless you can finance those dreams, it doesn't happen.

at the time that the bankruptcy filing was done, the public lighting authority had a hard time of finding a bank. citi did not run away from the table like some other bankers did. citi had the strength to help us go to the credit markets and raise the money. it's a brighter day in detroit. people can see better when they're out doing their tasks, young people are moving back in town, the kids are feeling safer while they walk to school. and folks are making investments and the community is moving forward. 40% of the lights were out, but they're not out for long.they're coming back.

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neil: all right. hard to figure out the market these days. one thing that is interesting, though, we are keeping an eye on the s&p. the best weekly performance of this year.

that is true. all of this despite serious. what is going on there. especially now that we have ended our program to help these serious rebels. that is what we call a mess. what do you think? >> it is a mess because we have made it a mess. this business about needing a program to train theory and rubbles, it is not working, why are we even trying? there are no good guys in this fight. we keep talking about that. hillary clinton wanting to create a no-fly zone. okay. we can do that. create her a few runways. we can create it, if you really want to. what i would rather do is take putin off-balance by pressuring him someplace out. maybe in ukraine.

neil: i am not holding my breath on that one. the administration has already made it clear that we will not be getting ourselves engaged in sort of a proxy war here. it sounds like a green light for vladimir putin. the read he is getting is that we will not do anything. >> i think that that is really bad mischaracterization. they are flying russian planes. iranians flying iranian aircraft. this is not something that is a proxy war. it is a direct war. again, i am not sure that syria is worth us being much to save it. neil: that is kind of what the administration is saying. >> i think that they are saying something different. we do not want to practice escalation on these people.

they are not willing to do anything that will really off put putin. conduct a huge military exercise. take him off balance. put a lot of pressure on him. syria, i would really not care what happens there. a hotspot sponsoring terrorism. it will not change. >> if the russians want to take out isis, go ahead. what i find interesting, every time he makes this comment, he gets rave applause. what do you think of that? >> well, i do not know. he is mad as hell. god bless. i think the anger in the candidacy is probably something good. i just think it is not.

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neil: what if i told you this entire house dust up came down to hurt feelings. bear with me. i am no psychologist. i think that i could be. they just feel ignored. they have votes that they want to put up there. they think that they have bipartisan support.

none of them are ever invited here it the cool kids in class and the nerds, this is something that i am familiar with. charlie gasparino. elizabeth macdonald. none of them, i may point out are nerds. >> yes. there is a sort of point to it. this is not what this country should be about. that is why i am really after about this. we have infrastructure. neil: they have ideas. >> when i was a kid in high school, we used to beat up on the nerds in the cool kids. [laughter] that is how we got things done back then. >> charlie picks on me.

>> what happened is a perfect example of turning your back on constituency. the tea party part of the republican party elected him part of the speakership. >> would you want to eat lunch with webster and those guys? if you want to go out and have a couple of drinks and have some fun -- neil: you can have fun with maccarthy and boehner. okay. a lot of these guys, talking to a man or a woman. they said i had great ideas. i had great legislation. 200 votes. could not lead leave the speakers and box.

>> i will bring everybody else into my vision. taking on obama's agenda. a democrat or a republican. the last you know what you do -- >> join with everybody. >> you are absolutely right. >> you are an idiot. >> he is trying to be funny. >> no, he's not. bogart's. [laughter] >> no. he is right. the way this country has made progress. neil: do not worry. >> coming together.

neil: keep the last name like the cool guy. i wonder if they did not feel a part of the process. it is a combination thing. so concentrated. people wanted it, but simply cannot. consider my measure in the committee. now, it has happened for so long. >> what happened yesterday with maccarthy was a perfect example. a t-shirt going around calling him nick boehner. >> work problems if you i said people out. they continue to eat all of the food. >> you know that webster likes

to take -- neil: no. no. no. no. you are making a metaphor, i suspect. congress is going up in smoke. how do you stop that? >> do not alienate the people that put you in power. neil: give me this big old date of doritos. [laughter] >> you need to realize as americans -- you are blaming boehner. >> republicans. >> when you --

neil: by the way, i am not just fox business or fox news. the equivalent of the roundtable . you can watch any business network you want to. i do not think that is a bad day and. [laughter]

neil: welcome back, everyone. i amtillmplod fothe me beg. lcomverydy. havnomil gas here. we have an s&p having the best week of the year. keep in mind that a lot of these people have concerns that we are accepting. the search for speaker and whether paul ryan entered the

race. fast approaching deadlines. medicare. avoiding a government shutdown. keeping the leadership going. how long can this keep going? a consensus candidate, paul ryan seems to be that candidate. >> yes. his office put out a statement about one hour ago. he is still not running for the speakership. the words they are are certainly important. that can certainly change over the course of the weekend as this push now is in effect for paul ryan. daniel webster was on the top of your program. he said should paul ryan get in. webster said that he would not back out. should ryan get in.

he would back out. a lot at play here. i should also mention the possibility that more people end up throwing their hat into the ring as all that matters is getting to the vote of 218. can ryan get there? who really can get there? we have seen this over the last couple hours or so. though momentum has been starting to pick up here in washington. a lot of republicans, a lot of conservatives and the like would like to see paul ryan get in. questions on the other side as to whether or not passed voting record, if that could hold up. enough of those on the right, the house freedom caucus. i am not sure we know any more

right now than we knew yesterday. always good having you. this guy's name has come up in the search. i'm talking about joe lieberman. you need a consensus candidate that both sides can agree on. you do not have to be a congressman to get that job. i do not know. i do not know if former governor john huntsman is interested that. i do know that both of these gentlemen are interested in fixing problems and not just talking about them. on october 12, they will put the pedal to the metal. what would you do to improve things around here? welcome to both of you. senator, to you first.

>> though paul ryan statement about still not a candidate. the political boss asking his support. i was running for state senatorial. i am not yet prepared to give you my support. it was a no. it was not terminal. in my case -- neil: never outside the petri dish. they can, but they have not. >> it has to do whether the government can function and all of that. the speaker is after the vice president and line to succeed the president. >> that alone would make me think that we have a lot more candidates. >> a lot more heartache. >> a lot of labels came together

to try to bring the parties together. inside the parties themselves there was conflict. part of it is because they are not willing to sit down and compromise. for the good of the country and trying to get something done. neil: governor, it is good to have you. i will ask you what i asked him. would you entertain the speakership? >> i already nominated joe lieberman this morning. how does that statement go? >> we nominated charlie gasparino. we have not had too many problems. governor, let me ask you about this thing that you in the senator are putting together. tell us what. tell us your ideas to do and create jobs. lost in this whole discussion is

how we are actually going to get the work of the people done. we have this great convention. we will throw in new hampshire higher on monday. neil: county republicans, how many democrats? >> probably three. five republicans. donald trump will be there. of course. of course. >> all at the same time? >> we will give them 30 minute slots. they can talk to us about their vision for the country. the focus of the gathering will be problem-solving. therefore, tell us how you will do it. if you want to build a wall, tell us how you are going to do it. how will you work with the other side? we know that you cannot get anything done in this country without working on the other side of the political aisle. >> really dedicated to the nuts and bolts.

>> the least of which is how you get stuff done. the heart of this whole speaker battle is that, neither party can rally around a principle to get it done. >> absolutely. the partisanship has taken over. what no label is trying to do, to relate constructively disrupt all of that dysfunction, and one of the ways we have chosen to do that is by choosing these four goals for our country. coming out of polling that we did last year. 10 million new jobs in years. 25 million. a balanced budget in 15 years.

we are focusing on those goals. you want to get something done. the first thing you try to do is decide what the goal is. we can get republicans, democrats to decide on these goals. i think most of them do. as seen in our poll. maybe we can lift them out of this gridlock that they are in. neil: telling me the other side. minor concessions to your point of view. one of the things that comes up is republicans themselves appear wildly. >> when was the last time you looked at a shared goal or a shared strategy? what are the shared goals they

may have from the democrats? shared goals with chip o'neill. he got tax reform done. i guess the better part is sitting on your hands. >> here is what has happened. the disconnect between what is happening in washington in the marketplace. it was amazing to see how disconnected the world of business and finances. the dow goes up 100 points. it is absolutely amazing. congress has been diminished. you don't have to do everything. just a couple of things. advocating the next president. pick one of them. focusing on that goal. >> i notice when you talk about

social security and medicare, the one touched on that, he is not exactly wrapping the polls. >> here is what we are doing. we created each of these goals in general terms. different ideas of how to secure social security. okay, i agree with the goal. of course, that is what president reagan did. a different way. that is what president clinton and newt gingrich did. presidential candidate to make the promise. if they are elected, bipartisan leadership and getting to work on one of these four goals. we are trying to create, as i said, a disruption to the way business has been done in washington for the last several

years. nothing gets done. these problems only get worse. it will not be the way that they want to live. >> the markets are just assuming that this will blow up on them. governor, looking at your party right now, what is going on, bottom line is they seem to want to find an identity to be fair. a group that used to like trade. everything is bad including hillary clinton. everyone is trying to find their voice. are you worried in the end nothing gets done? >> sometimes doing nothing is the best course of action. imagine somebody like paul ryan who is a leader and respected on all sides. an expert for tax reform. in expert for trade. tax reform and the agenda, that

would be an amazing thing for this country. it would boost our spirits. neil: thank you. real quickly, do you think he runs for president? >> i would be surprised. you said that he considers himself a recovering politician. >> to thinking makes big ways if he does come in? >> yes. between hillary clinton and bernie sanders, you have a group that covers a lot around the democratic party. neil: what about joe biden? >> he comes in with a certain stature, if he comes in. i have no idea. i do not have to have any political considerations in giving you the answer to the

question you have asked. you do nothing in a very attractive way. >> take you very much. governor huntsman, always a pleasure. my best to the family. >> i would not show to that. that was incredible. >> it was an immediate moment. i am a little nervous. we will see what happens. the speaker race to which we are referring. the very latest. chad, what is going on? >> voting right now. we talked a little bit earlier about paul ryan being a little cooped up. just off the house floor. he said i do not want to talk to you all in the whole.

he is not running for speaker now. they are really pressuring him. that pressure continues. one member of congress that i spoke to. putting too much pressure on it. they want to put pressure on him. he is maybe the only guy that could be speaker. 218 votes. making a person nervous. maybe they do not want to do it. neil: from all the reporting that we are getting and all the people on the scene, they have no idea. nobody has any idea. a mix of candidates interested in the position. some are thinking about paul ryan is a save your.

the rate that this is going to use his cry could walk into that building and being rejected. a little more after this.

>> what about this notion that you are a good man. almost too much of a dealmaker. >> i think the power of the institution is the body working together. everybody has talked about that. that is the way to do it. that does not mean the final deals are cut by the speaker or any other leader. they are cut by the policy that is put forth by the house. neil: the front runner for speaker. all those 40 votes are not guaranteed.

you know the drill here. paul ryan stepping in to be the savior of the day. he would not step aside. reaction from dagen mcdowell, connell mcshane and charlie. >> at least -- neil: give him time. give him time. getting this system going matters to me. paul ryan does not matter to me. i am in this to win it. >> i do not think that there is really any viable reason. i think he has long-term aspirations. that is a tough, tough job. >> paul ryan has to be treasury secretary.

he has to rewrite the tax code. some special tax breaks on marijuana usage. he wants to do stuff. i do not think he thinks he can do that as speaker. a great guy. here is the other thing, neil. does this strike you as odd that 40 members -- doesn't it seem odd that the tail is wagging the dog here? basically, running the republican party. >> they hijacked it. >> those that dominated the party and refused in the people that got them into that position.

if you would like to get feedback, those that don't -- >> the demand of somebody working on the line. you have the republicans eating their own right now. i know. we are talking about the republicans in the house. 16% of the republican members in the house are making demands and accusing the leadership, the establishment. >> i said, the most painful words, i agree with dagen mcdowell. i am going to have to say it. if you talk to these numbers, they will tell you that their goal is to bring bills to the

floor just so that it can go to the president task so they can veto it. >> here is the other thing. there is the establishment. there is a real gripe. you and i share that concern. i get these guys that look like boehner two-point oh. i do not understand. neil: it goes back many decades. >> it never comes out good. obviously it, competing factors. this is infighting to a degree that is so unhealthy.

they are eating their own. i am saying that is what is going on. this improving charlie's popularity. they had it -- >> the popularity. over arching themes. when you dig into the nitty-gritty, a lot of these policies are totally anti-growth. >> you are exactly right. neil: so conservative, too. >> i will say this. we are talking about this why we should be talking about the most monumentally flawed candidate in the world.

it is not donald trump. it is hillary. someone that puts together that wall street reform plan. that was a joke. neil: still the nominee? >> by default. >> trump or hillary? >> the fact that i even have to think about that is a problem. i want liable candidates from both sides. you knew obama got at most two terms. where is your lineup? [laughter] >> yes. >> absolutely. >> that is a different story, by the way. >> some new yorker that does not

understand people. they feel that this small faction in the republican party has taken over. neil: two people? >> you talk about 40 people. neil: i do not think you guys are getting it. you are so caught up. you cannot get stuff done. >> pushing on this on the kelly file. neil: why were you watching the kelly file when you should be watching fox business? >> you were not on, neil. if i brought to production assistance, you would say get out. >> you shut me down constantly.

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neil: all right you know when i hear the mainstream media talk about let's say, donald trump, he is lewd, he is crude, he is foul, he is in your face, he is tacky. that is your opinion, that's fine. then i read "gq." this article talking about ben carson, ben carson. not exactly grenade thrower. f ben carson is the headline in this article. it goes on to say, the good doctor made it clear this week he is not only willing to replicate trump's signature hot garbage spewing but he is even

dumber, rhymes with snitch. charles payne, double-standard. >> serious double-standard. when you read between the lines of these kinds of articles, what you see from the left, they get very infuriated when black people have an opinion wasn't ascribed to them by the left. the left is set up with a certain box. stay in that particular box. when you peek out of it, decide there is different world view you have the nerve to voice it, they cam at you pretty hard and pretty tough. obviously ben carson taking brunt of that. because he doesn't take the left's lines on guns, he must be taking trump's line. he has his own brain. neil: people worried about ben carson because the article he writes, donald trump for all his bluster is authentically stupid. read the story if you don't believe me. trump is the genuine article. when it comes to carson he is more dangerous because he is

willing to shred every last bit of intellectual capability in order to lord over citizenry he doesn't have much respect for. >> that underscores what i'm saying. black people don't have their own brains. they will follow the left, for most part, en masse and few that don't are following the right. ben carson, amazing surgeon, groundbreaking pine nearing surgeon doesn't have his own thought process. he hasn't been able to figure things out. hasn't had his own life experiences. all he is doing is itch hadding the wagon to the wrong train in this particular case which is donald trump. neil: not for gun control. it is attitude, mental thing. got to get handle. recounted a story -- well, you threw up the cashier rather than yourself. will be more scrutinized than before. the vitriol here, a same vitriol, a lot of journalists i don't know about this one or "gq" in general, in mainstream media that has been the rap against donald trump.

he is crude, ineffective. the kind of language that would not comport himself to leadership. along comes article like this, far worse. >> here is the thing, ascribed to trump as being authentic. ben carson is not authentic because he is black man who happens not to be -- no black person is authentic. you either follow the left's thinking, again keeping it real, or, if you happen not to think that way, not keeping it real, then you're following someone else's thinking. you rarely see where the left says a black person is authentic. neil: you dealt with that yourself. >> i dealt with it this week. got into another battle, roland martin, a few guys jumped on me on twitter. every two or three months they attack me. neil: you know who egged them on? gasparino. >> fights with guys with one follower. i look at -- [laughter] i look at guy's web page, has skull and crossbones. neil: you and i joked, how you

feel, like uncle tom, they label you that, what do you do? >> it depends how vitriolic it gets. i try to have intelligent conversation via 140 characters or so. i was called uncle tom, butt buddy, idiot and something else. those people i block. neil: you didn't get my tweet. >> buy by the way, i blocked you on this already. stuart: but this becomes part of the debate. stuff they want to stop is what they promote themselves toville lie anyone. >> compassionate left. the tolerant left, is so into when it comes to people they think they got a hold on breaking the chain. neil: imagine if "wall street journal" had a column, f hillary clinton. >> a professor of religion called ben carson a coon. can you emergency any white rson journalist in the world president obama a coon? hoe my god.

neil: wow. quick peek at wall and broad. all craziness notwithstanding, stocks completely unaffected. real quick. why is that? >> i think we were oversold. found equalibrium and bracing earnings season. china next week. neil: that is all you need to know. whatever he said. [laughter] we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile,

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neil: you know, there have been a lot of things happening in the world besides drama on capitol hill. one thing in syria, two big developments would normally get huge attention maybe not in the mainstream media, we're out of training syrian rebels business. we laid down the gauntlet in weird way how far we go with russian intervention in syria, saying we would not get involved in proxy war, i.e., do what you want with vladmir putin that is the read from very concerned military types. general jack keane probably among them. you know, general, those twin developments rattled some of your military past and present colleagues who think we ceded this whole thing to putin. what do you think? >> well, we're not there completely yet, but certainly well on our way, neil. certainly putin is come to the aid of a troubled ally. he wants to protect the strategic asset, that naval base. and, as such, he is pounding our

ally in the region which is moderate syrian rebels. they have been trained by the central intelligence agency. we can't talk about numbers they have trained or how they're armed but believe me, it is very solid program. that is our ally on the ground. putin is unleashing the best equipment he has against them. they're the force that the people support. very significant numbers, not radical islam, guys that are out there fighting. so this is our ally that is being pounded. he started that. that is a proxy war and we're saying by definition we're not going to be involved. we're not going to do anything about that. neil: you know we talked about this before, i focus on the markets being greedy capitalist, i am, general. they don't care. they don't seem to care one bit. what do you think? >> well i think there is some real truth to that, neil. the reality is, when you have, and history has told us this, when you have aggression that's

unanswered the result is usually more aggression and when we continue to wring our hands like this, we're dominated by the fear of what realtation would bring, we're opposed to instilling fear in others, what is predictable is that russia aggression will rise in the middle east, and it will escalate with certainty in the baltics and in eastern europe where he is going to challenge nato eventually. that is where we're heading, as we wring our hands right now and do nothing to help our ally on the ground. neil: this is amazing. again the market non-reaction is equally some general, thank you very much. good seeing you again. >> good talking to you, neil. neil: you wonder why vladmir putin is such a rock star in his country. they had a big party for him this week, i think he turned 63. hockey game. scored seven goals unassisted. one guy tried to stop him. they're looking for him.

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sometimes they just drop in. always obvious. cme group can help you navigate risks and capture opportunities. we enable you to reach global markets and drive forward with broader possibilities. cme group: how the world advances. >> i'm connell mcshane back with you, for your fox business brief. we'll look at netflix, which is a big story you might remember yesterday. stock is down today. it is down yesterday, with raising prices up by a dollar. at that point the stock went up 6%. wall street loved that, the idea netflix would be making more money. coming back down a little bit. keep in mind, this stock doubled, more than doubled this year.

the best performer in the s&p 500, just under 113 bucks. these price hikes, have a history with this. back in 2011, they lost 800,000 subscribers somewhere around there. since then they raised prices once here and did so late summer in europe and consumers seem to be handling it just fine. let's check some markets real quick for you here and the oil price is one to watch, just under 50 bucks. we are up five out of the last six sessions. more broadly the stocks are down bring 12. neil is back with more "coast to coast" in a moment.

neil: you know, i know what you think. one guy run around without their shirt and play hockey and score seven unassisted goals on their birthday, wow, 63, how do you do it, vlad? that might seem dopey to us. it resonates with a lot of people. certainly in russia, shown vladmir putin to be a very strong, virile leader, even a lot of conservatives, that is idea of a leader, juxtaposing our president riding a bike. that is silly. but gary kasparov says this matters in different way, that reinforces image, gary you say is very important to putin? >> it is vital. the mafia boss, dictator, they must look strong. nobody should dare to challenge

them. they know that you know one thing you can't afford, any sign of weakness. any sign of weakness because it is a bunch of people around them and any sign of weakness, they -- neil: i thought we were kind of past this macho bra -- bra vowed dough thing? >> unfortunately not. this bravado is it manufactured. there is weakness on the other side. there is no vacuum. from history dictators, are always grow hing stronger, more arrogant, you know, what emboldens them, the weakness from the opposite side. the free world. neil: you misread that right? didn't khrushchev misread that john kennedy wasn't lex wall? >> world war ii. chamberlain, hitler. this kind of psychological --

neil: the bully can get it wrong. khrushchev got kennedy wrong. >> yes. but what price will we pay for learning that -- neil: to get to that point. okay. >> yes. from history we know that you know, even today, the price of opposing this bully, actually pushing him back looks high, tomorrow it will be higher. day after tomorrow it will be higher as general keane said. you know, unopposed aggression invites more aggression. so we, stop putin in ukraine, almost nothing happened. now he is in syria. what up next? benghazi? >> what happened with putin and president obama got together? i suspect, you know russian politics better, did this issue, oh, yeah, i'm invading syria, did it ever come up? >> i don't know. i don't know what they discussed. neil: did he enjoy i saying i know what i will do in 24 hours? >> putin, he spent time rehearsing in the mirror reluctant handshake. neil: really?

what about when they slouch in their seat? >> putin shook his hand, here in new york, belly of the beast, he defied obama. next day russian planes bombed american-backed rebels. that is clear message not only for russian public but russian elite. putin defies obama. with his own game and look at america. america is retreating. america is in panic. neil: wouldn't, what is happening to oil and his currency? >> but he is pushing oil prices back. look, today, news that aircraft carrier is out of the gulf. the irony this aircraft irony is named after teddy roosevelt, the man who never backed off a fight. you can see putin is destroying american-backed opposition. and isis, islamic state, has been gaining ground. so it is not, you know, science fiction and potentially putin and iran and pushing them south to saudi arabia.

neil: what donald trump says, let putin get these guys. >> absolutely. we know what happens. donald trump probably doesn't know much about things happening across the ocean. neil: i think he is better golfer. >> maybe a better golfer. but geopolitical golf putin is playing could actually backfire. when you see oil, the gas, $6 a gallon, maybe then the market will understand, putin's aggression will not stop in syria. neil: so they're being a little naive right now? markets and sort of tepid, na, this will come back? >> again, they're very busy and looking at quarterly report, not history books. from history we know dictators never asks why. it is always why not? any vacuum will be filled by putin and iranians and other factions in the world. putin proved he would not let his buddies, his allies down. that is a message for every stock in the world. they could see america betrays her al like one after another.

neil: not putin. you're with him, very good point. >> and it will create a very dangerous, very explosive global geopolitical climate. it will eventually hurt america and the free world because markets at end of the day, they need stability, you need rules, and putin, whole putin's policy, geopolitical target is to destroy stability and destroy the world order. because dictators always benefit from ai don't see. chaotic situation creates momentum for them, they can act swiftly. neil: you're the best, my friend. i always learn a lot. help me with chess. >> i wish i had one day good news to tell you. neil: you bring me down. >> analyze dictators, how we bring them down. neil: we should play a game of hockey. >> when putin scored seven goals, most of opponents are former nfl players. neil: of course that is what

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neil: you know, i can't stop thinking what gary kasparov was saying, in this day and age, modern day and age, you would think thumping your chest or going, without a shirt around in the woods and all would almost seem sophomoric, resonates and it registers that sort of look how tough i am, certainly at home, resonates. i am thinking to myself, so much my winning the season episode of chopped. adam lashinsky, ben stein what do you make of that? adam, you first. the idea that the president is at disadvantage that he doesn't do the macho crap? that seems silly but kasparov says on the global stage that

stuff resonates. what do you think? >> i don't know that it resonates. i think your first point was stronger one, neil, domestically. putin is popular at home and not popular anywhere else. i think what resonates on the global stage he is a bit after nut kise who is willing to do, you know, bizarre, aggressive strange things. so we don't know what to expect from him. therefore, we, it is hard to plan. and that is what resonates, think i, not chest-pumping and baring. whatever. neil: what do you think, ben? >> i think putin is kicking our butts all around the middle east. it has been a goal of u.s. policy since with drew from the middle east day colonialism ended being most powerful influence in the middle east. putin is doing that with help of obama who is checking and weaving. the fact that u.s. withdrew carrier from the gulf is

absolutely incredible and unbelievable. why do we allow him to push us around everywhere? on other hand, be fair to mr. putin. syria has legitimate government. mr. assad, he is allowed to help legitimate government. we help each side. i don't think putin is doing anything more aggressive than that. neil: one thing gary kasparov was mentioning to me, putin is lot smarter than given credit for. he practice is its everything. not only images, miraculously scoring seven goals unassisted on 63rd birthday, that even practiced that handshake with president obama, to the point that it had to look totally disinterested and passive, because he knew 24 hours later would be invading syria? what do you make of that he is a lot more attuned to image stuff than we give him credit? >> i don't doubt that for a moment. i think however, that putin is playing a different game than

the united states. by the way, every other civilized country is playing. there is only so much you can do. i don't disagree with ken, he is kicking our butt. but number one, it won't last. number two, what are we supposed to do? act crazy? behave responsibly? neil: i agree with that crucial point. ben, i want to pick up on that, why do this locker room stupidity nonsense? seems like we evolved as a species, have we? >> no, we have not evolved as species. we're still aggressive domineering species looking to beat our rivals and take control of things. we haven't evolved as species at all. neil: have you ever gone shirtless? have you ever gone shotless to make a point? >> not since i was in law school. but let me say that we have to realize this guy is a guy who is an aggressive, madman who has a lot of weapons. we've bottom to stand up to him. neil: all right.

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neil: all right you have a leadership vacuum in washington. you've got syria all been ceded to russians. and you have got the markets neh. trish regan, help. what is going on here? trish: thanks, neil. help indeed. breaking news, house gop scrambling to find a new speaker following kevin mccarthy's bombshell decision to back out of the running at very last second. welcome to "the intelligence report." they are turning to paul ryan to jump in. even mccarthy is backing this idea. >> paul is looking at it. it is his decision. if he decides to do it he would be an amazing speaker. trish: but will paul ryan be persuaded? we have a breaking analysis from best-selling author, gina lowden.