>> you did. stuart: justifiably so, if we could abolish the irs i will be smiling bigtime. and a 10% flat tax, i will be extraordinarily happy. how about you, neil cavuto. neil: may i stress disparaging comments about the irs are stuart varney and stuart varney's only. i think you tax collectors are doing a bangup job. [ laughter ] >> just protecting my irs. we're covering our assets here, and donald trump is covering all his bases in new hampshire filing the paperwork to compete in that state's primary, the first primary of the country, after of course the iowa caucuses that used to be in 1976 when jimmy carter put iowa caucuses on the map that new hampshire was the big event. donald trump doing all the necessary filing there. other candidates expected to follow suit.

these events have become media extravaganzas themselves. in the latest polls, keep in mind, you see national polls, individual polls, those in iowa and new hampshire in the granite state right now, for all is concerned that some have expressed he's losing momentum nationally, he has a slight edge in the first of the nation primary among republican voters, not by much, and look who's surging out of nowhere, marco rubio and chris christie who used to be in the single digits, up to 8% of the vote in that state. these are fast, shifting stands. to blake burman on the guy who's really getting the donald's attention. the doctor, as in ben carson, blake? >> reporter: certainly right, neil. what is important to point out about the polls, taken at least in new hampshire along with the quinnipiac university poll nationally released today. taken after the debate last week, this is a first glimpse of how last week affected everything going forward, especially going into our

debate coming up next week. that poll nationwide from quinnipiac shows ben carson right there with donald trump, 24 and 23. and rubio and cruz and the others the other two to crack double digits. what we've seen is you have one, two there at the top. i want to show you something we noticed from the one very poll. it's not like trump is slipping per se on the left-hand side, you can see he bounced around in the q poll from 20 to 28, averaging out at 24, 25. carson has gone from 6 to 12, 12 to 17 and 17 to 23 which brings him to one point behind trump. carson technically off the campaign trail right now. he's doing a book tour. he is not coincidentally in florida, of course, not only a big primary state but in the general election, and he has been drawing according to the reports there from the

newspapers we've been reading in that area, hundreds and the tallahassee democrats said carson has been drawing one event in tallahassee, up to 2,000 people. that as you know is not a typical at least in the hundreds during a presidential campaign, but certainly a sign of the carson surge that we have been seeing in the polls as well. neil? neil: blake, thank you very much. and again to blake's point, i think we gave you a hint of that book signing, this is very, very unusual to see the type of crowd that turn out. so the good doctor is on a book tour now all across the country. not doing campaigning. he gets to mention the campaign as he's on the tour, respond to criticisms from donald trump, but i hope we'll be able to get some of the large crowd scenes around the country. thousands of people turning out for book signing. i have not seen that since my last book was out. enough about me, back to how this is all going to fall out. lenny has been a digital boon in the candidates to mitt

romney, worked with a lot of the candidates including ben carson. i could extend that to donald trump. he's worked with them all. and lenny, i'm looking at these crowds and looking at the response that ben carson is getting. what you hear in the digital universe is the doctor has to respond to the donald. does he? >> well, he does and he has. listen, what we see at our firm when we look under the hoods of both of their campaigns is two things in common. one, they're both running tremendously unconventional campaigns. reaching out to voters directly online, and they're number two, the most authentic candidates in the race. and so ben carson's job is to respond to donald trump in the way that ben carson only knows how to do. he shouldn't try to out-trump the donald. neil: i understand that, sometimes i think when you

don't respond, you don't necessarily have to respond in kind, if somebody is saying in the case of donald trump about ben carson, you don't have the experience to deal with the chinese, you would be inate at the table. that requires a stronger response than, oh, that's just politics, right? >> you will see two things. one, you'll see doctor carson say along the lines of what else is donald trump going to say that, of course i have the experience to lead? neil: he said just that. you are right. at one of the book signings that's what he said. you are right, it's not affected him, that is dr. carson in the polls. it's going to get ruff and nasty six days from now in the fox business debate and he's going to have to come up with something more solid, right? >> what i would hope to see at

the fox business debate, neil, is he takes the question about his experience and turns it into a powerful moment where, he can communicate with the millions of viewers how he's been a leader all of his life. from the time he was a hard scrabble kid, son of a single mother, to a celebrated neurosurgeon. that's pretty good experience to me. and neil, one thing for your viewers to remember, what has running on experience gotten any of the political candidates gotten? neil: very important point. to the background, he's no shrinking violet, he's an accomplished neurosurgeon. got to be a campaign ad there somewhere saying these guys don't seem to think i have a political brain. i've operated on brains. got to be something to show your skill set is different,

but nevertheless, impressive, right? >> yes, and his tone matters in debates and even keel tone will suit him well if he doesn't overreach. and just one last things are you know what running on experience has gotten you this year? a one-way ticket to the undercard debate. neil: think of rick perry and scott walker both had impressive credentials and impressive accomplishments and now they're watching at home. so you're right, there is something to be said of that. >> yeah. neil: lenny, thank you very much. all right, i want to show a poll we showed a little earlier if we can, guys, the surge for new jersey governor chris christie. some are saying it could be an aberration, some are saying it's courtesy, performance and debates of late. he has come up from single digits 8%, and he is getting buzz on the internet a lot has to do with videos that have gone viral. we don't have the rights to the videos. we can't show them to you.

he talks about the republican party has to pivot away from being more than right to life to valuing those at all stages, including those who are heroin addicts and addicted to drugs off all sorts. a very different kind of approach to issue us that would almost swear a democrat would say. rebecca nelson on whether chris christie could be a sleeper candidate, what do you think? >> it's going to be an uphill climb for him. third quarter filing showed he raised 4 million compared to rivals carson, 20 million. jeb, 30 million. neil: might explain why he was taking the train rather than have the credit card dustups, but go ahead. >> right, and he's spent two-thirds of that in the third quarter and what he had raised. but there is a reason why he was once considered a front-runner. he has that strong executive

record paired with charisma. no other candidates have that. neil: i jumped on you again, i apologize. we show favorability numbers nationally. 57% to 32%, that is the inverse of new jersey. i think it is 30% think favorably of him, similar think negatively those who think positively nationally. it's the flipside in his own home state. does it make it a tough sell for him? >> definitely does, that's one of the reasons it's hard for him to surge, but he has the benefit as he's been pushing. he's been tested, and he said in iowa last week to a group of voters that whoever is going to beat hillary clinton needs to have been tested. he's been tested by bridgegate, by hurricane sandy, and his other opponents and he's talking at this point to trump, to carson, rubio, cruz, they haven't had that same testing. neil: but you know, you could also turn that around and say

yes, you've been tested and you're not polling well for the experience. yes, you've had to deal with the democratic assembly and obviously that majority grew in elections yesterday in the garden state, but it's not as if you've gotten much political bang for the buck. your state has been downgraded, ratings nine times since you've been governor. not always your fault. he has tried to wrestle the big public pension issues to some success but not nearly to the degree it played on the campaign trail, so it cuts both ways, doesn't it? >> definitely does. that's why he's really going after jeb. and i think the numbers that really matter here are his numbers as far as jeb is concerned. he is ten points ahead of jeb in favorability. on the debate stage, you saw him totally take advantage of jeb's lackluster performance and show himself as a fighter, and he's vying with donald trump for that. neil: amazes me, he's very good

off the cuff, on the stump, not scripted, very passionate, so maybe when people see that obviously it's resonating in some polls, but it's all about generating the money too, i guess. too early to tell, right? >> right, exactly. neil: okay, thank you very much rebecca. i appreciate it. in the meantime, remember all that talk that paul ryan is speaker, and tea parties go ta-ta. i don't know if you see the smattering of races across the country. in kentucky they nominated a businessman very happy to say i'm a tea party and proud of it. neil love might be tempted to say that i told you so, but you can go ahead and say it, i told you so. congressman, when you look at this, it did serve as a reminder those burying the tea party might be doing too know.

>> whether people believe this is about the tea party coming back or not, i believe this is conservative policies resonating. one of the most frustrating things being a freshman in congress for ten months, we're acting as if we're in the minority in terms of opposing everything. we need to tell people about conservative principles and conservative values bring people out of poverty with conservative policies, no one is destined to be poor, we need to talk about what we are for. we're seeing this resonate and for the first time i'm excited about going out and length people know why the policies are the ones we should be going after and the ones we should be adopting. neil: you articulated brilliantly there. my image of a lot of the candidates, they have a lot of great ideas but a lot sound like the angry dude on the porch, get off my lawn. i like what you are espousing, talk about what we are for, what we represent. maybe we saw an inkling of that

talking about reaching out to those who typically would not be considered in the republican base or for that matter, the stuff of republican remarks. >> right. neil: but it's very digital, and for people hearing republicans, we get a good idea what they're against but not what they're for? >> i had a town hall meeting recently with veterans and there was one woman, a black lady who said i'm not a veteran but i woke up after being a liberal for a long time and realized liberals want to give you exactly what you need to keep you exactly where you are. where your policies have said here, take a couple of steps, you can have as much as you want for as long as you want. and that is what we need to make sure we're pushing out here. those policies aren't for one american but all americans to receive, to be as ordinary and extraordinary as they choose to be. i'm excited to go out and push out that message and be part of this effort.

neil: well, you were able to articulate that and to an uphill battle for victory, you are a congresswoman now, i don't mean this to be a rap against your party, they have to do that and soon, the other side will frame the debate? >> that's right, there's a vacuum. we have to decide who's going author our lives, whether it's us or we let the other side. again, if this is about us making sure we allow the american people to make decisions for themselves because no one is in a better position to make decisions for hard working americans than they are, and limiting washington and making washington smaller so that people can get bigger. i'm hoping we move in that direction, i'm going to do everything i can to get out and sell the great conservative policies. neil: remind me not to ever get into a debate with you. i want to ask but the planned parenthood thing, unlike a lot of your republican colleagues who say we're up against the mainstream tsunami saying we're

anti-woman and anti-everything and we're just anti-anti-anti-you get back to the videos themselves and what's at the core of the argument to defund it. what did you mean? >> look, there's a lot we found out that we don't know about this industry, and at the very least, we owe it to ourselves, to the people we represent to find as much information as possible, let them know exactly what's going on. not just with the taxpayer funds but entities that take the taxpayer funds so they know what's going on and they can decide who we're going to be as americans? i think those videos have opened our eyes to maybe there are things going that we don't know. it's important that every american watches that and we go out and do everything we can to find information and be as transparent as possible. neil: i do think you are right, people cower at the first sight of media pressure, people have

to open their eyes, what started this in the first place. congresswoman, very good being with. >> you thank you, neil. neil: obviously candidates could learn a thing or two what the congresswoman said to take the offense on the issues and not constantly be fighting back on the negative on the issues, a subject that will come up repeatedly in both debates planned next week, jointly done by fox business, our friends at the "wall street journal." first debate at 6:00 p.m., the second one at 9:00 p.m. best and brightest along with the best and brightest of the "wall street journal." we thought we would talk about business, finance and money issues. it came us to and wow! in the meantime, volkswagen is telling u.s. dealers, you might want to stop selling some models, particularly the 3.0 v6 diesel models it comes at a time when there are fears that the emissions scandal is widening beyond just volkswagen

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. neil: all right, just when you think you couldn't get worse on the whole e.coli cases popping up all over the country, ashley webster with more signs, more popping up all over the country. >> not great news, 37 cases regarding the e.coli outbreak in the pacific northwest. 12 of those people are now in the hospital. chipotle has closed 43

restaurants in the area. it has remained that way since early last week when we found out that these cases were coming to light. by the way, this is the third outbreak for chipotle, with regard to these cases, of course, we just have the latest one with the e.coli, in september, there was a salmonella outbreak reported in minnesota that at least 45 cases were reported there, and then in august, 99 people got sick in a norovirus outbreak at a chipotle in california. it's been a rough go for chipotle, that is for sure. the health officials say they have diagnosed this latest strain in the pacific northwest. they say if there's any good news, it is the less severe strain of e.coli. we have one lawsuit filed against the restaurant. two of the sick said they did not eat at chipotle. they're trying to track down the source, it could be lettuce or tomatoes. they just don't know.

neil: that opens up a new era of scare. thank you very much. we thought we'd get a handle why are there delayed responses to this? there is a good reason for that. we talk about the symptoms consumers should look for, she's a rheumatologist, internist and cosmetologist. doctor, why do we have the delay with responding? is that usual with this stuff that there is a delay? >> there is an incubation period associated with many bacteria, this is one of them. another thing to know this is not a bacterium like salmonella, it has a toxin associated with it, too. all these things take time to affect the gut. this particular strain e.coli 026 has three to seven day incubation period and the illness can last a week after that. neil: why are we hearing so many of these cases?

i know i think in chipotle's case, doctor, after they had a prior incident with beef or tainted beef or compromised beef, they were never going to the cheapest supplier of beef. they tended to err towards pricey suppliers without prior issues and yet it happened. it could be that a disproportionate number of items are beef related or what have you. how do they search this out? what do you do? >> well, previously, it was a lot of legwork, i have to say, i quite admire the institutions that look into this like the cdc and the fda, but now chipotle says that they have a new tracking system where they can go back and look at produce all the way from the farm to the restaurant, and so that's one way they can track and see where the problem was. when you talk about -- when you talk about how this has spread

so quickly,s problem is this is not necessarily associated with one restaurant which is what may have happened with the norovirus infection, initially thought to be sourced to one restaurant. this might be an upstream problem, where distributors and farms, et cetera may be involved in this. and the ironic thing is sometimes as chipotle advocated too, when you use less preserve stiffs and advocate a farm approach to the products and restaurants, you might get more infections. neil: ironic. i might be fine with my processed meats and cheeses, what you are saying, doctor. i'll get you to confirm that as my new ad campaign. thank you for take the time. >> thank you. neil: we have heard no cases of anyone severely sickened or god forbid died as a result of. this we are keeping on top of it because there are many more cases. ken langeone and doekz chris christie.

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charlie gasparino knows him very, very well. >> i actually like both langone and christie. neil: have you seen the videos that have gone viral about christie? >> about what. neil: he was talking about -- i don't want to get sidetracked here, very impassioned defense how the republican party can't just be right to life and protecting you in the womb for nine months but looking after that and giving you dignity if you're out of the womb. i'm not doing it justice, he's saying the party has to stand for people who encounter all sorts of things like drug addiction. he was making a very interesting case for different republicans. >> i would say that christie, the problem he has is differentiating himself from the pack. this is what langone is finding and very interesting. langone was on your show, he was on maria's show as well, both saying he's made recent calls late he and people don't want to give him money until the race winnows down.

neil: they want it to sort out. >> that is not the case, from people getting the calls, these are not demands and requests for money. these are more like what do you think? taking the temperature. langone has clearly backed off the arm twisting that he did in the beginning. neil: maybe because he can't. >> he can't. neil: maybe for the very reason you said. >> that is a problem chris christie has. he is the most prolific fund-raiser for christie, when he's backing off this fund-raising, you're going to run into a money problem. if you look at some of the numbers, i did a quick look today. jeb bush behind in the polls, stuck around christie land in single digits but he raised 128 million dollars. marco rubio is raising more money lately. ted cruz is pretty much up there and so is ben carson all ahead of christie. neil: all ahead of christie, the aggregate money they have in the bank. >> and how much they raised. i tell you that is an issue. neil: the polls are fleeting,

but he's moved up to single digits from one or two percent to 8%. you need polls to convince skeptics to give money to. >> you are going to see people raise more money and ken be more aggressive. clearly langone has backed off very aggressive pursuit of money for christie. neil: is he waiting for more polls like the ones we've been seeing? >> he would tell you that. my guess is he's reical brath who he's going to support in the future. when you back off like that, not saying he's throwing in the to you. he's not demanding money from what i understand, he's taking the temperature of potential donors and not getting what he wants to hear. he's clearly, this is a different fund-raising lesson. neil: that's why the debates are going to be important. what pop he's experiencing post this last debate. >> who do you think the debate is important for? all important for different reasons, marco rubio wants to

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. neil: all right, we're still getting more news on what they think might have happened to the russian plane that was downed over the sinai or crashed over the sinai this past weekend, it looks more and more like an explosion. unclear whether that was caused by fuel or a bomb, but they ruled out that it was shot down. i don't know how they ruled that out thus far, seem to think there was a pattern of events, including explosion

outside the aircraft, that incapacitated the pilots, and prevented them from radioing for any discrepancies or problems. but we're still monitoring that and see what happens, but, of course, all of this at a time when people are fearing could have been a terrorist attacks, could have been something like that, a lot of isis related groups have claimed responsibility. way too soon to tell, they are saying something happened up there, it was the an explosion, they don't know what caused that explosion. to connell mcshane on tesla shares jumping. so my guess news that isn't quite consistent, but you tell me? >> the company lost money on the last quarter, you would be surprised to see the stock up today. ceo had a good conference call, elon musk reassured investors about concerns about the model x, the new suv, so musk said we're making hundreds a week starting next month, that reassured investors.

that was the first thing that happened. executive moves can make investors confident. jason wheeler, that makes investors more confident. maybe that's what's going on today as well. the numbers weren't that bad either. yes, the company did lose 75 million dollars last quarter,as i said that's not great, but the loss wasn't as bad as expected. and, second of all, the sales figures were strong, neil, especially in the united states, up 50% and confident about china sales going forward as well. good day for tesla, stockwise. neil: thank you, my friend, connell mcshane on the tesla developments. to follow on the drug pricing developments here, we could have timed this one, and lizzie mcdonald all but did, as soon as there was evidence drugmakers were gouging consumers, starting with valeant and on and on and now the investigations are beginning, aren't they, lizzie?

>> yeah, this is going to have ramifications for the presidential race. what's happening is the democrats are trying to reset the agenda in congress away from attacks on obamacare and now on drug pricing. two things happening right now. in the senate we've got senators claire mccaskel and susan collins leading a bipartisan push to look into drug gouging. they want information from valeant pharmaceuticals and turing pharmaceuticals why their drug costs are going up. over in the house, the house oversight committee, there is a fight brewing up and broken out between elijah cummings and 17 other democrats against jason chaffetz. what they're saying here is representative chaffetz who is the chair of the house oversight committee that he has kept silent on drug price gouging over the past, since the beginning of the year. they're saying please stop blocking us from looking into

price gouging, and they're asking for november 17th vote on subpoenas to get information out of valeant and turing on the way these companies set price. should be noted that representative chaffetz has asked valeant ceo to testify and called for hearings into generic drug pricing. this is a pivot away from obamacare attacks and now it's about drug price gouging. and the position they're taking is the drug price increases are gouging medicaid and medicare, we're going to hear more about the fights breaking now the congress right now, neil. neil: the irony to your point some in the industry, a few bad apples gave them the sword to cut them because for the sins of the few trying to gouge, they might have ruined it for the industry, at least their stocks for the time being. >> yeah, not just turing and

valeant, neil, started with hepatitis c drugs, with gilead. we know that hillary clinton has been saying there is drug price gouging going on. that helped cause biotech stocks to go down dramatically when she made the accusations. now, this will be a big are going forward, again, it's going to be about drug price gouging, a bipartisan effort on the senate side but a big democratic push on the senate side. neil: gets your eyes off what obamacare is about. that's the focus for the privilege. perfect time for obamacare enthusiasts. thank you very much, lizzie. >> sure. neil: we are getting new enrollment numbers on obamacare and pricey enrollment issues for those who want to re-sign, including a tip for the administration, you might shop around, if you are getting gouged, go up on the website, see if you can find a better deal. i do not believe this is how it was originally broadcast. after this.

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. neil: all right, well, it's probably a sign of the times, not so good times for the health care law when the president is saying you might want to shop around, in other words, when policy is up for renewal, see if you can get a better deal, a lot of people are getting sticker shock here, and republican senator john barrasso knows it. he is one of the people calling for repealing this thing, starting from scratch, but obviously now as you know, sir, we have millions knee deep in this now digging in deeper to their pockets to pay for it. these are double digit increases for the same type of coverage. that was not how it was billed. why are the premiums seeing such a big ump? >> well, because the president

really didn't have a full understanding of the impact of his law on people all across the country. he made people buy insurance by his mandates, so many different things on the laundry list that they have to buy, that of course it's going drive up the costs. i want to make sure people get better care at better costs. we don't have that, neil. and just yesterday, the michigan co-op failed. more than half of the co ops have failed and have you over 800,000 people who had insurance through obamacare through the co-ops, now all of scrambling to find new insurance. but you're right, when the president said if you like what you have, you can keep it, now saying that no longer applies, you better shop around because the only way you're going to find any insurance that you might be able to afford is if you get rid of what you had last year and try for something different this year. neil: now, i think some of your democratic colleagues, not all, are saying the drug company is

contributing to this because they've been gouging medicare, medicaid on the drug prices and reflected in the prices. i don't believe that's the case, that's a separate issue, but update me on that and using that to shift attention away from how costly this plan has become? >> you are absolutely right, neil, they're trying to shift attention away from this. most of the people covered under the health care law got it coming onto medicaid because it plays hospitals and doctors so little, it's a lot harder for those people to get care. the president focused on the word coverage, but our focus is on the word care, people getting health care, and now you have a government product here, it's interesting, the government is going to pay you to buy it, and they're going to penalize you if you don't buy it, and people are still not buying it because they realize for them individually it's not a good deal. neil: as a doctor, it's not

extracting the savings we would have thought. if anything it's adding to the costs. i wonder is the republican position to get rid of this thing? what do you do for the 8 million who apparently are covered now? do you carry them on a temporary policy, and will the republican president -- presumably hoping a republican president start from scratch or what? >> should be state health care choice, and i've introduced legislation for that. if california and new york want to keep what they have, fine. if wyoming and texas say we don't want the mandates, the employer mandate, the individual mandate, we don't want to buy the basket of insurance the president says we need, let wyoming families figure out what works for them and fits into the needs of their families. you have the governor's race in kentucky yesterday where the republican candidate who was

against the obamacare program won overwhelmingly against a candidate who has embraced it. the president says it's working a lot better than he expected. i don't know what he expected, this has been a terrible failure, and i believe heading into a death spiral as fewer and fewer people buy because the costs are going higher and higher. neil: to your point, no doubt more people have signed up, people are paying more for those who have. senator, thank you very much, good seeing you again. >> thanks, neil. neil: senator barrasso did mention the fact someone railing against obamacare won in the state of kentucky. he was a political novice, a tea partier but biggest selling point is he was a businessman, no experience whatsoever in the world of politics, now governor of kentucky. do you think donald trump was watching very, very closely, and do you think that's an issue that could come up in six days at an fbn debate? i'm taking a leap here and

assuming yeah. after this. we live in a pick and choose world.

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. neil: all right, let's take a quick look at the dow. we have the dow down 50 points. media companies coming out with numbers that didn't quite meet estimates. particularly hit revenues from time warner and fox and others, that is seen as a barometer on the economy, consumer spending and just sort of spend a little extra on entertainment, and if that's someone questioned the momentum for the rally. that is oppressive, could ease up. larry glaze is looking at the race with a lot of presidential noise up until now, it's going to start dominating more of the headlines and could have a bigger effect on wall street. did i get the gist of that right, larry?

why do you feel that way? >> i think that's right. neil. it hasn't had a major impact, despite the fact the presidential election is the front story in every major paper, hasn't affected stories on wall street or main street, that's going to change because certainly we're getting closer to the election, no doubt, and going to change because the field begins to narrow and the policies clarified and articulated and with those you see very different policies emerging from the candidates. and those will affect the economy we live in. at the end of the day, the candidate that is able to navigate the dysfunction in washington is the candidate that let's america succeed, but the impact on tax policy, the impact on the national debt, certainly health care but trade and other areas is going to be felt for the next four years at a minimum. neil: you talk about debt and those issues, neither party has addressed that. we got to get spending under control. >> sure. neil: outside picking around

entitlements, slowing their growth. not a lot. >> no, no. and it's interesting, during the democratic debates when we talk about the idea of debt it's nowhere to be found. like the taboo family topic that no one wants to talk about. neil: all for new goodies and spending on that thing, running are not going to give you goodies and spending, you have to ask what are you going to take away? how are you going to justify taking that stuff away in a cogent manner that can still win you votes? >> certainly, if you look at hillary's policies, you compare those to bill clinton, who was a progrowth, pro-business president. now you have a different clinton and different era. policies are influenced by bernie sanders. neil: that's the wrap if she's saying she can to get elected and once in office she will not be that way. she will be closer to the policies of her husband, with a wink and a nod of her financial

backers which i find disingenuous they say she will be friendly but rally for us. >> there is no question she will turn back on donor base or influencing policy direction. i'm in boston, biotech capital of the world. highly paid, high-skilled jobs and people are petrified about price controls and biotech. it would have a major impact. that's a concrete area that we would see a significant impact in stock valuations if she were true to her word. we compare that to policies of other candidates which may be perceived as more pro-growth and that gives us pause. neil: larry, good seeing you again. >> my pleasure you. >> heard about the former biden backers moving to the hillary clinton camp. we found one who's not. not going to hillary clinton. not even close. stick around. you're watching fox business.

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. neil: all right. the polls, they are changing right now and for dr. ben carson they are confirming what others have already been hinting and strongly indicating that he's a force to be reckoned with. now, this takes a look at what's going on with the gop primary race be right now polling statistically even with donald trump in the state of new hampshire, depending on what poll you look at, he's even or within a spitting distance of donald trump. but the fact of the matter is if you look at the top two candidates, they represent about half the vote, that's the nonconforming politician vote. even if you were to extend that out to what's going on in a break down of support here, you've seen some other movement on the likes of chris christy surging a little bit from about low, 1, 2% figures now, 7, 8%, and jeb bush continues to slip away. that does represent a fundamental shift on the sentiment for the voters the

closer and closer we get not only to big debate this week but the caucus itself. and this is where people get serious and serious start satisfying the candidates, ford o'connell, former rudy schneider. peter, to you first. because similar tolls taken back in i think 2007 this rudy jewe as the guy that would look like the next republican nominee. so i know and i guess you would remind everyone that there are no guarantees of future end results. but what do you make of the fact here this anywheretation we've had outside of the candidates whether it's dr. carson or mr. trump continues even now. >> sure. neil, first and foremost i think the state of polling overall is in complete disarray, hasn't kept with technology today, so if you

look at the results coming from kentucky yesterday. that's a huge grain of salt that i take any of this information. . neil: well, when he was first running, started seeing the possibility of welling but go ahead. >> sure. the real thing that i look in the data that you just spoke about was not only trump and carson combined, but if you throw in cruz because that's really antiassessment outsider view, that's nearly two thirties of the laminectomy rhett and, neil, that's not going away. people going up and down but one of those three are going to be in the finals. period. neil: isolation time; right? this is traditional, come means it's probably wrong, someone has to come in the out of the box camp, someone has to be the establishment candidate, maybe two, and that's what will happen. what do you think?

>> i think that's pretty fair assessment. if history is a clear indication, anything can happen, a couple of years ago rudy was leading the field by 17 points and basically -- neil: hillary clinton over then senator barack obama; right? >> absolutely. but i do think what's going to happen here is you're going to whined up having an outsider whether it's carson, donald trump, or cruz taking on a insider more likely a marco rubio type because that's just how it has gone moving forward. but i will say this. keep an eye on two things. likability, which carson and rubio are killing the rest of the field and who else can beat hillary clinton? if i were to make a prediction today, it's going to be the person who wins both new hampshire and florida. neil: you know, that's interesting. another read i have is why don't candidates take a good performance in the debate to the bank or the polls? and i'm thinking of carly fiorina, she comes to mind because she's an excellent

debater but wasn't able to close the deal, maybe she wasn't aggressively campaigning the next day after those debates. i don't know what it is. it could be likability, a host of other issues that go over my knowledged. but they don't always score based on a good debate, do they? >> no. they don't always -- go ahead, pete. >> it takes a lot. it takes having a good ground game, it takes having a concise and uniform message out there. carly fiorina, who i have been complementary of, just beautiful in the database, but when people are looking for a fighter, she falls out of the mix. she'll be a great fighter against hillary clinton hillary clinton but there's not unifying team,. neil: those who judge performances in the debate like the one we're going to have on fbn next week and i look back at the gore, bush

debates, and i was surprised to do the median and consensus was that gore got the better of bush in all of the debates. that he was the winner, i don't remember debate by debate. and yet governor but she was considered far more likable, far more personable, and that made a big difference, didn't it? >> well, likability huge. and i always tell people is who do you want to have a beer with? . neil: as if you'll ever have a beer with the president. [laughter] >> neil. >> let me say this. you've got to be a debater, a grinder, and you've got to catch lightning in a bottle and that's what voters see. when you start winning things whether it's nominating contest ore getting down to en with respect to state, the point is people catch on, and it can change the entire narrative and that was the one about things bush. >> ford, one thing we've got to do is 2015 grinder has a very different meaning today than it did 15 years ago.

neil: guys. guys. this is cable. don't think you have licenses to say anything you want. i appreciate it both, guys. very good insights. in the meantime you remember the guy ronald reagan said to the over the deficits that were building up? well, he's back with avenges these days and moaning a party that has forgotten its core and just happen to spend. take a listen. >> if you have a party of big government and unelectable social cons, the true free market conservatives, the noninterventionist, the small budget balancers, they're out in the cold. neil: there in those days, you've heard this so many disciples addressed so many times is that, hey, where's our discipline? where's the party trying to shrink government and we're no different than the gimme crowd on the democratic side. what do you say? >> i think he's so wrong. he was the guy who wanted higher taxes and all of that.

that to me doesn't represent small government or free markets at all. when you've got paul ryan in there now the speaker of the house, paul ryan is a small government guy as you'll ever get, and he's successful. he gets deals done, gets them done correctly. neil: no one cares about the debt, no one cares about deficits, and he says it started maybe unwillingly with you and ronald reagan. >> well, i don't think that's true, but when we come came into office -- i'm teasing yo. neil: but made it far and worse destroyed america or something. >> well, the debt did increase. that's very true. we didn't destroy america, we invested in the economy and built it up to where we got spur plus. neil: but now not investing, when you're sitting on 19 trillion in debt, it's going to be 20 trillion just by osmosis it's going to grow half a trillion a year. >> he's total the right. neil: how do we get rid of it? >> this is what casey calls

the redynamics recession and that's exactly what it is but you've got to get the white house, how do you do any of these things without the white house? and the way you control government spending is having flat tax, economic growth and then when we don't need the welfare programs, that's when you cut them all the way back when people don't need them and that's the right way to do. and frankly he did it the wrong way and all these people trying to shut down government are doing it the wrong way. they'll lose the elections for us and you'll have hillary and a democratic congress to go on another 20 years. neil: no, i hear what you're saying and i don't mean to blow you smoke but your big key of success that makes you an endearing economic character, the same thing that helped ronald reagan. you had a sunny disposition about what you were saying. about being for something, about seeing better days for america, better days with tax -- the burden off people and see what could happen as a result once you do that. growth is undeniable.

and history proves it. here's where history also comes into play. that republicans too when given all of that revenue that comes in are just as eager and happy and undiscipline as democrats to spend it and then some. >> yeah. neil: so how the democrat or how do republicans respond to democrat chargers you're no different than us. >> well, i think that's true. i think you're putting the enables correctly, bill clinton was a democrat, he cut spending more than the next four presidents combined. neil: he cut other taxes but he hiked taxes in the upper income. >> on just two categories. neil: yeah. >> what he did was get rid of the retirement test, put in welfare reform, eliminated capital gains and owner occupied homes. he was a spectacular president, yes, he shouldn't have raised the highest tax rates on income earners, that's true. neil: but it didn't hurt us;

right? >> it did. neil: i think this might be unfair. they come across as the angry old guy on the front porch telling kids get off my lawn. so now there's ronald reagan who put a much happier face. >> yes. neil: and i don't know if there's such a happy face out there, is there? >> well, there is. i think all the candidates to be honest with you i really think they're all putting forth the correct agenda. lower tax rates, broader tax base. some of them smile but, you know, some of it is not their nature. it's the bill clinton, it's the jack kenzie, the ronald reagan and providing post-tensioning parrot to solve it. now, you can sell off government assets, we own camp penalty which is worth $265 billion, and $265 billion of gold in fort knox that no one has ever seen, oil reserves.

neil: i would lease the grand canyon. >> i would too. privatize the post office, there's so many things that you could do to bring down that debt but those are all one offs. you have to have prosperity, you have to have a smile, you have to have growth, kennedy's phrase the best form of welfare is a high paying job is totally correct and w and obama did not do that. neil: very, very good point. thank you, my friend. good seeing you again. >> great seeing you again and, by the way, i'm watching you carefully on those questions. neil: all right. i'll make sure i'm smiling too. thank you, my friend. now, joe biden. you heard he's out of the race and you heard that a lot of hillary clinton backers are scrambling to get all the supporters who are ready and suited up to do battle and most of them are going to hillary clinton but i must stress not all, including this next guy i'm talking about

former biden donor shifting support not to hillary clinton but to a certain former governor of maryland. perry, very good to have you. why governor o'malley? >> thank you for having me. you know, one of the things we look at is is that we need trust in our president. we're voting for the president of the united states we're not voting for the pinocchio in chief. if you think about it, i like joe biden because he's honest, he's trustworthy, he's and he'st experience. when you look at governor o'malley, he's looking for new leadership, he's looking for pragmatic way to work with the republican and the independent members of our congress. to work together for a new future. as an opposite tradition for 35 years, i've been delivering babies, i think about what kind of life we're leaving those kids, what kind of country we're leaving the kids. unfortunately, if you look at our past, i grew up in the

time of vietnam, we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction, and we waste tons and tons of money. billions and trillions of dollars have been wasted on unnecessary quagmires. neil: you want to get into that war, a move since she has regretted, and as you've heard and seen in these polls, no one gives governor o'malley a shot and his debate performance wasn't exactly encouraging. so what do you see that others are missing? >> well, what i see is that if you look at polls from quinnipiac and ohio and pennsylvania, and florida, people don't find that secretary clinton is trustworthy. so, unfortunately, two-thirds of the american voter in those have he very important swing states are individuals who don't trust her. neil: no, i know what you're saying. but how would that translate to more support for governor

o'malley? because it is not yet -- you're right. it still might. but it does not translate. he's an asterisk in a lot of these polls and that too could change. but how do you get people here and maybe bernie sanders is a back up if she implodes again but not o'malley. we just don't see o'malley. what do you tell them? >> well, i'm a fiscal conservative social liberal. so i'm like a lot of the people who watch your show who can a irabout the economy and care about our kids and o'malley is talking about our future, how we could have leadership in the democratic party. neil: a lot of the baltimore riots and said it was a lack of money that we haven't provided enough money to cities that were hurting. >> well, i don't think he's necessarily a fiscal conservative. he says he's a progressive. neil: right. >> but if you look at secretary clinton, i'm not sure i know what she believes because she's been all over

the place and a long history of her basically not necessarily telling the truth. if you look at senator sanders, he's honest, he's authentic, but i mean he admits the fact he's a socialist. so currently there's three candidates running for the democratic nomination. . neil: what did hillary clinton -- doctor, i'm sorry, but what did hillary clinton say? obviously they were trying to woo you, you ever an important going to to woo. when you say, no, i'm not going to go to hillary clinton, and they assumed that you're going to go to bernie sanders and you had to explain to them i'm going to go to o'malley, what did they say? >> well, i think people are looking at the supreme court and they're looking at probably two or three nominations with the next presidency. and they look at who's the potential, you know, candidate from the republican party and they're fearful of that. neil: all right. how did you convince them that backing the frontrunner now by a country

mile was not the way to go and backing the guy who's placing second was not the way to go that this guy, o'malley was the way to go and what was their reaction? >> well, their reaction -- their reaction is to back her no matter what. neil: right. >> because she's the juggernaut, and she's going to win it, and i have to vote my conscious, and i have to vote in a moral way. as a physician i have a responsibility when i talk to my patients of always telling the truth and i have a hard time for raising somebody for somebody that i can't trust and i don't find to be honest . neil: all right., doctor, thank you very much. you're a man of your word. former biden supporter now backing o'malley. >> thank you for having me. neil: all right. we're getting more details of what may have brought down

that plane over egypt, and now they're looking at an explosion, an explosion that happened on or right outside the air accurate of. after this

>> well, this news alert here as we come back to cavuto coast to coast, we're following the latest developments of this russian plane crash over egypt and there are essentially two new developments. we'll work backwards and say the bottom line is we still do not know or haven't been told what brought this plane down. however, two significant developments, the first of which was mentioned by neil last hour and the cause of the crash is looking more and more like an explosion but it was unclear if that was caused by a bomb or a fuel explosion, coming from a source close to the investigation. the second development is as more interesting the british

government has come out here and said today that it is so concerned that the jet was brought down by a bomb that it is suspending flights to and from this area, the peninsula and the resort, a number of europeanians would vacation on a regular basis. so flights that are there not coming back and british flights that are scheduled to go there are not going there. so those are the two most recent developments on a day which we had a new video coming out from isis terrorists once again claiming that they are the ones who brought this video down and the russians have been denying that all long. the biggest development to go on now is the report of the explosion and the british government so concerned that it may have been an explosion caused by a bomb that they're suspending the flights. we'll keep monitoring it. for now back to you. neil: thank you very, very much. now i'm very happy to have this guy on the show because contrary to what you see on saturday night live when he's portrayed, he's thin, he's fit, he's very smart, an

excellent writer and nothing like the guy who plays him on the show. >> i'm just passionate. i'm that guy in class in social security studies, you were in math and science, i'm not saying you weren't great in social security studies, but i couldn't get enough for it, and i screwed up the curve for everybody because i couldn't believe this happened, i always thought i'm going to do sports and news for a living and i never thought they could blend until i saw what bill o'reilly would be able to do. neil: you do it differently. you cease on events that aren't topical or known. >> true. neil: what led up to their death or -- but in this you talk about something thomas jefferson the forgotten war that changed american history and that was our first brush with muslim extremism in a sense. >> and thing is when they were

brushing with muslim extremists, they were dealing with a leader who we haven't had a president yet in 1984 and 1985 when the meeting took place and that's wanted to get ahold of the religion because he was a curious guy and wanted to know everything about everything and was curious about christianity as well so when he met on the behest of john adams to find out why they took three of our ships. neil: and these were like pirates. >> sanctioned by their government, backed by the can a ron who said we could do this by infidels unless they can convert. neil: and pay ransom. and they were reeking havoc. i didn't that know before. they were reeking havoc and stopping ships, ceasing them. >> they were worried about their debt day one. and also worried about

insurance and essentially there were surers back then who said you're going to go through the mediterranean and you're not paying? the insurance is through the roof and we couldn't get out of debt unless we had a commerce going and we wanted to work our way out of it. they literally said that we're americans we're going to make good on everything you lent us but we couldn't do it if we couldn't get through southern europe and the mediterranean, and we couldn't figure it out. but the radical end, not the muslim people but the leaders was something that we couldn't get ahold of, and it took jefferson 16 years later to finally watch adams do anything and not get abused, washington write checks and not get the results to say i'm stopping payments, we're going to blockade them, let them see the power of america. neil: but the's a very good point that you mentioned here. we had an inherent then and obvious distrust that we could negotiate with these people. >> absolutely. neil: and i was thinking of that even though you're not

saying it in so many words today. isn't that the same of negotiating with iran and this neck of the woods, it's like that same deal. >> it is and we're trying to get the result of showing good natureness. they were spotted negatively over the weekend there's another chant death to americ. neil: how did we get our way back then? >> back then it was forced, not the show of force. the use of force. neil: and that took our hiney first; right? >> absolutely the u.s. is philadelphia, in the end the philadelphia hit the ground, was taken 303 americans were captured and for the next three years they lived the life of a slave living the most abusive you could have. neil: with the south korea vessel. >> absolutely. neil: but let me ask you something. you chose this particular incident, not well-known just like in the washington but not well-known. why do you gravitate to those

type of issues? >> well, in a way i want people to know about these so-called -- these great americans that legacy died when they were buried. ben jefferson, adams, and all these guys. i hope -- neil: but jefferson doesn't brag about this in any of his books. >> right. neil: it's like an invisible episode. >> my hope is when you open the book you know who they are because they have beautiful monuments in nice graves but no one outside the naval historianians know who they are. neil: kill jesus or to kill kennedy or to think along those lines? >> i'm not a -- people don't come up to me, i'm not really a killer, although it's in my name, and although i will repeat death and -- >> i like to focus where most people aren't. neil: but you bring it alive, which i think between you and o'reilly is doing an enormous service to people. >> a lot of people that write me are from schools, students . neil: i bet. and this whole process of

doing everything else. you've had great success with this, this is the top of the best-sellers list. do you and o'reilly compare notes and does he not have you on the show if he fears you're going to bump him off. >> he doesn't have fear, he had me on last night. neil: you did o'reilly before me? >> but it was taped by some people who dv (r) it. neil: look at the time. we've got to go. real quickly, hamilton on broadway, you know, land based jefferson and this, comes across -- >> right. that's a musical. i won't say that. but to show you the brutality of the rivals, it's not just obama and bush. neil: a great book, great guy, and nightmare would be the -- >> we won't hang out outside the office. . neil: well, i don't like you -- >> professional.

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neil: all right. in case you think it is impossible for a business tie in to make it to any business office, you may want to look at the state of kentucky.

given up for lost when this all started a year ago. no political experience. made a fortune in his business enterprises. now, of course, the easy runaway winner in that case. craig smith says it could be a very encouraging development. craig, what do you think of that and the success in kentucky? a sympathetic audience. it did not start out that way. >> no. indeed it did not. off year elections are very low voter turnout. when you win 53-44 in the polls, that says a lot. you have to look at the platform that you ran on. this is what is very interesting. he promised to abolish connect. that means the cutback in

medicaid money for the state which will affect 400,000 people in kentucky. he told the people the truth. a very unabashedly christian conservative. he was against common core. pro- school vouchers. he supported kim davis. everything that the politicians would tell you should cost this election he won on, neil. i would think that democrats and the republican establishment has to be a shivering in their boots today with what they saw today in kentucky. if this is anything to talk about what will happen in 2016, we will see a huge shakeup in 2016. what clinched it is he said, i will fight for you. who does that sound like? that is trump. i have not picked a candidate yet. we want a fighter.

that segment you did with brian. think about it. jefferson was out there fighting. we will not put up with this. we are america. we have standards. we will be a great nation. i think that is what you saw in kentucky. neil: a republican state. the state of mitch mcconnell and rand paul. a democrat was leading in a lot of these polls. it does say something about the appetite americans half to throw the bones out or throw the traditional politics out and go outside. encouraging to a ben carson, 28 ted cruz, outside your normal political petri dish. should establishment candidates be worried on either side? >> yes. i think that they have to start thinking out-of-the-box. start talking to the talking heads. i think that this is where he

made a big difference. if you ever listen to the guy, he was pro- military. served in the military. was a captain in the armored division. this guy ran businesses. all the back taxes. they were hit with lightning. literally burned to the ground. this guy has for a .dave children from ethiopia. we are america. we are great. neil: you may agree to disagree. very uplifting. something to look forward to. show them what you are against. show them what you are for. you are right. thank you. always good to see you, my friend. >> thank you. neil: what is going on with the vw scandal. they are even sidelining some

models. trying to put a top on this. >> on and on, neil. the latest revelation is some 800,000 cars are now questionable. basically, what they are saying is, and this is why this revelation today, neil, is so serious. they overstated the mileage and they understated the amount of co2 carbon dioxide which is being emitted by 800,000 cars. also this involves gasoline powered cars. why this is so serious as well. the saving grace, perhaps, for american consumers is no american sold cart is involved in this. it is still a big blow to both wigan. this calms as your viewers and

you know, neil, for sure, just a few weeks after the massive scandal involving that cheating software involving 11 million volkswagen cars. we spoke with an official today. they still do not have a remedy for that. they still do not have a timetable about how they will fix it did one more thing. just two days ago, though volkswagen folks would be charged with once again installing cheating software on another set of cars. that includes porsche, that includes audi, that includes volkswagen. being charged by epa. volkswagen itself is saying they are not guilty of this one. >> these other brands. this offer was not installed on the us other cars.

>> not on all those other cars. this latest batch, though volkswagen maker also makes a porsche suv. i put it to them. why are you doing this? you have great cars. these great cars are fixed on a trust from the customer that they will be trustworthy and reliable. you can count on this. the come back here, i think, is critical. exchanging those with a volkswagen official about two hours ago. we are committed to regaining the trust of a customer. that is a company admitting that they lost the trust. neil: in some ways they just cannot get out of your own way when these things mushroom. people lining up lawyers and lawsuits. no one has died or no one has even gotten injured. is there even a case they are?

this is only short term. these lawsuits could be endless. the start and many more to come. >> liability for this company is on multiple levels. diminishing and the cars with a lot less money now. if they do fix it, the mile from the cars will be substantially reduced. subject to a -- neil: you and sue based on the ground that your car is worth less. >> certainly the car is worth much less. if it is fixed at all, volkswagen admitted that they will not be able to achieve the gas prices that they thought they plainly what year did the law is pretty clear on that. neil: i did not think that angle. lagarde lists of whether someone

got hurt or got killed, this comes back to a financial impact. they are worth a lot less because of the scandal. >> yes. that is definitely true. that is what the lawsuit should do. it should not go beyond that. punitive damages and excessive damages at this point. if they bought a car and it was not worth what they paid, volkswagen has offered to take that car back or to give them their money back to make them whole. neil: are people taking them up on that offer? >> neil, i would say one thing. in australia they filed a suit looking to get the full value of the cars back. liability on other levels as well. damage to the environment. that would be quantifiable. trying to figure out how many

emissions were it the environment. neil: now we're kind of taking leaps here. >> that is not something that the consumer should realize. we have the epa. we have the department of justice. we have all of these different agencies that are looking at penalties. they will have to pay if they harm the environment. that is not something that they should benefit from. >> nothing stops you guys. >> the point of punitive damages, committing such a fraud did they look at whether the harm is beyond the consumer. >> all right. neil: i like that. thank you, guys. in the meantime, we have some

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neil: all right. more details on what they think may have brought down this russian plane over the weekend. sources saying they are our different versions being considered. one. something may have been stowed inside the plane that flew the plane up. there are still others that are pursuing that there was something exploding outside the plane. no one seems to know. the plane could not just break apart in the air. they saw no signs from the pilot indicating that there was anything amiss. they have been inc. -- they have been incapacitated i said explosion. they do not know. we will keep on top of it. in the meantime, keeping on top of the polls that are coming out. showing strength for one doctor ben carson. the media likes to dismiss him

as does donald trump. those two are taking about half of the republican vote right now. first to charles payne. later to kennedy. the notion seems to be now we're getting serious ties. these not so serious candidates are seriously dismissed. >> it is an unconventional thing. i do not think you should suspect that. people still do not know what the outcome will be. some of these early voting states. all the docking. all the bomb throwing. all the name-calling. it made things confusing. there certainly is not clarity. national polls have been seriously wrong. we know it starts in iowa and new hampshire higher.

i dismissed them at face value. until i discover fox news. i apologize. my point is, should we be looking at those new hampshire are polls? the trumps in the carson's interchanging leads. that is open have to keep our eye on. a more factual thing. seeing some flip-flopping on somebody's balls. one thing is, the establishment has to figure out a way to articulate a message to the voters. somehow it says i will be different than what i was before. some sort of hail mary that could be an outsider right now. >> i think the establishment, it is, by definition, the opposite of what people want right now.

that outsider ship. >> well, you know, maybe we should go back to tried and true. you may have a traditional candidate. marco rubio who sort of and bodies that rejecting an establishment. he still has a recipe. neil: a lot of them are known for just telling what they are against. angry. though the angry guy in the front porch. you have to have an uplifting message. don't you? >> i like the person doing what he or she is going to do. i will make that determination out of the voter. you will fix things. it has thank you. it has worked.

that is why i am really excited about the debate next week. neil: next week? ashley: did you hear about that? neil: good safe. to think that kind of hits you? >> i think lots of issues come, for people who are still feeling the stagnation in their own personal economy. they want to be able to save money. they will not fill up a 401(k). >> fourth-grade level. it is the neil show. [laughter] neil: did you hear that? oh no she did not. [laughter] neil: we will see after this. kennedy. if you want to watch her. if she is still on. ♪

neil: all right. i want to share some breaking news. a new star wars movie. promoting this ridiculous movie that is overhyped and will be a disaster. what planet are you on? not this one. not this one. this will be my opening question next week. >> luke skywalker. that is what i want to know. that would be great. must-see tv. thank you very much. hillary clinton. losing multiple head to head matches against gop candidates. i am trish. welcome to the intelligence report. if the election were held right now, most of the top row publicans would beat hillary clinton. then carson is looking at a 10-point lead over mrs. clinton right now