phil considered this issue most important, government ethics fix that and will take care automatically. and tamara says economy tops them all. all right, neil cavuto. big week for you. take it away. >> you are so right, charles, and echoed poll after poll, whether this country or any country, we were just looking at a global survey of the things that occupy average folks' minds the post. and obviously what has them the most concerned is their own financial well-being whether you live in or manhattan, where the candidacy are getting ready for the big debate that is scheduled for tomorrow night. ahead of that we've got concerns about these markets as we have been showing, they've been down across the board right now, the stock market -- staggering to the 221 points and see the federal

reserve hike interest rates that stronger than jobs rho are the. i'll show you how that's playing out. if you think, for example, rates are going to stay low and that no longer seems to be a given, especially if the economy is no longer teamed deemed to be a slow, take a look at these markets. stocks are down on the notion that interest rates are going up. but two-rear rate now, backing up the highest we have seen now in five plus years. take a look at the ten-year note. it too backing up for the 6th straight day. the highest levels we've seen going back to july. now, those are very, very anemic levels. a lot of mortgages are pegged to security, the theory is that borrowing costs are going to go up and that is affecting everyone's thinking here. so what are the candidates saying and doing about this as they prepare for the big debate? two different databases on fox business network tomorrow and what is the mood in milwaukee as a result of that?

the former host of co and gregg was chatting with me during the break that a lot of these guys aren't really addressing these issues, are they? they're just flying by them. >> well, i think, you know, when you look for leadership; right? which is which is what the country and needs i don't think we've had strong leadership from the oval office going all the way back to clinton frankly and reagan years. so what do you want all of these candidates as leaders? you want three things. they have to communicate a vision and they have to be credible. so if you take if you take those three things, you've got a lot of holes. neil: but what's your biggest disappoint? in other words, when you look at these guys and what they're advocating, what's the biggest thing? >> well, the thing that's disappointing to me is i think there's a little bit of a sideshow going on. i think the trump polls remind me of the obama polling basically.

neil: been a long sideshow then. leading in these polls for four or five months. >> absolutely. but go back to clinton and look at his poll. that can change over the course of time, and i expect it will. i think frankly there are a lot of slaters between trump and obama than people. neil: how so? >> didn't i neither are qualified for the office. you might argue that trump is slightly more qualified. neil: yeah, a billionaire and successful businessman. >> that doesn't necessarily. neil: you're a successful businessman. wouldn't that qualify to give this office a stab? >> i don't think so. i would never give it a stab number one. number two you have to governor. you have to go back to the purpose of office, you have to governor,. neil: so who fits that bill? >> oh, gosh. christy may be one of the closer ones that fits that bill, and he's a great communicator. he obviously has issues -- every candidate has issues; right? neil: right? >> fiorina can articulate a vision. she's one of the better communicators frankly but she lacks credibility because of

her former run for office and because of hp. and she has to deal with that; right? neil: but how do these guys -- getting to the point where they have to stand out; right? >> yeah. neil: how do they start doing that? what do they do because -- less than 90 days out from the iowa caucus. so these guys are going to try to trip over each other to get peoples attention. what do they do? >> if you can get past the sideshow and, again, i'll wrap that point up saying lack of experience for obama and trump, also it speaks. neil: i think you minimize -- >> no, it speaks to the american people. and -- neil: would you apply that to ben carson? >> well, carson. i don't know where he's communicating he's taking us at all. that's the achilles heel for him. but there is a disillusionment for the economy and about politics in general. that's what obama got elected on. that is what trump is sort of leading polls on is that

disillusionment. but somewhere in the primary season and leading into the general, we have to stop with the shades of gray, you know? this is -- this debate game can be a game of, well, i'm this shade of gray and you're that shade of gray and these are minor differences; right? the republican field is too large number one frankly although i would rather have all in one debate rather than, you know -- neil: the two debates. >> the kids table in the kitchen. neil: but what you find most disconcerning is that no one has been able to break out of it. >> right. no one is speaking to the public. neil: gotcha. >> not as a way saying i'm this shade of gray different than the guy standing next to me or the lady to my left. it's this is my vision and i'm able to communicate that and you're going to want to follow that even if you don't like some of what i tell you. that's the key to leadership. you have to tell them some things they don't want to hear. neil: thank you. i wonder if john agrees with that. he joins us right now out of

new hampshire. governor, i think you may have had a chance to hear that not a lot of the candidates wows him, the closest is chris christy but none broken out of the pack with statements or policies that are going to change his perception of who's best to get out of this recovery. what do you say? >> well, this debate tonight is certainly an opportunity for that. it is -- i think crucial that what i call the serious candidates, the rubio's, the bush's, the christie's, even the kasichs, these guys have experience in handling government. they can put a legislature together in moving in the right direction. there's no way we solve our problems if we send another obama to the white house without experience. neil: all right. so by that i take it, governor one you mean political experience.

even those who have that political experience and have crafted out plans to deal with issues, and i would include chris christy on that, i would include jeb bush on that, they've not been richly rewarded in the polls. chris christy, in fact, has offered tough love when it comes to security. many people said he recognized that it's unsustainable, of course it's on. but these candidates who spell out these positions, i would include john kasich in that, they're not rewarded for that. what do you make of that? >> well, that's the problem we have. we have an electorate that's falling for the approach to politics and falling in love with dumb style instead of significant policy. and they're going to be -- we're going to be in trouble if that stays the deciding factor all the way through the iowa caucuses and the new hampshire primaries. this is a crucial election. and people who just brag about themselves so to speak cannot handle public office.

once they get there, it's a different story. neil: who are you talking about? >> i'm talking about donald trump. trump loves to talking about himself, he doesn't want to talk about his bankruptcies, he doesn't want to talk about his inexperience, he's going to do fabulous things but you don't know what the fabulous things are. we really need somebody that has handled a legislature, that has moved a bipartisan approach to this. that understands what can be done and can't be done. and -- neil: well, you know, governor, the flip side to that. i hear you. but the flip side of that is candidates like donald trump, ben carson respond. here's how conventional candidates have failed you. here's how impressive résumes have failed you. here's how the same old political dish has failed you. do they make a point that going the same route has not helped americans here? >> well, i disagree with that completely. you look across the country in

the states and the people i'm talking about have delivered significantly for the voters in their states. they've cut taxes, they've made governments smaller. they have created job opportunities. so they have performed. and with all due respect to the guys you're talking about, they don't know what they're talking about. you need folks that have delivered at a significant level in government for the voters. made economic times better. neil: but work? if anybody comes through in these polls is that people don't buy that. you might be a fan of this establishment cloudy. but the antiestablishment group comes back and says, well, they haven't exactly gotten us out of the pickle we're in and on the right and the left we're willing to try different pickles. and at that level. >> neither did the antiestablishment candidate for the last eight years deliver for us. so, you know, if you want to just make that kind of argument, we can sit here all

day and batting our gums. neil: what is your definition of antiestablishment? barack obama was a senator. bill clinton was a governor. george bush a governor. let's go outside that. >> well, look, i think george bush delivered for the country, i think brilliant delivered for the company, i think george hw bush delivered. i think your memory of where the country was is really not accurate. those guys delivered an economy that has taken care of america in the long run. what i am afraid of is we are so fragile right now and the fragile nature of economy i think is reflected in the reaction you're seeing in the market nowadays where every time someone talks about raising interest rates, it is a fragile market and a fragile economy and the last thing in the world we're going to have is somebody that doesn't understand how to deal with

legislation to cut the budget, doesn't understand how to get bipartisan support on foreign policy and doesn't know how to deal diplomatically with leaders around the world. it will be a disaster if we don't -- neil: george bush senior opened up about dick cheney, but more importantly the comments he made about george w bush's use of the access of evil saying that kind of rhetoric was -- ended up being damaging. do you agree with that? >> absolutely correct. and that's what i'm trying to say. that's the kind of rhetoric you're getting out of trump. that's the kind of rhetoric that i think is all noise and no substance. but that doesn't mean that there weren't other good things that took place. he brought a congress together, and he was able to get legislation done. neil: no. no. what do you think of what donald said about him that

he's getting up in years? >> look, i'm not here to defend george hw's bush's comments on cheney. you guys have a debate tonight -- neil: tomorrow night. >> and i do hope you start asking questions on things like tariffs that you ask questions on what you're going to do when you cut spending, start asking questions on how they're going to excite the company. neil: fair enough on all. real pleasure. thank you very, very much. >> thank you. neil: all right. with us now big supporter for jeb bush, had been backing scott walker. was very instrumental in the romney campaign. concerns that you're about to go 0-3. >> so you worried about jeb right now? neil: well, looking at his position in the polls. >> yeah. neil: and they don't mean anything. you're right. are you worried? >> well, i think most people

are worried, the campaign is probably not worried because i think they're looking at that they've got a lot of time. they're counting on your debate and the questions that you and maria and gerri asked to be very substantial and he'll be able to expose on the policy side, and on the policy side he's delivered more policy prescriptions. neil: i think you're right about that. i think he's articulated some very, very thoughtful policies. not appreciated in this campaign. >> that's correct. because you've got -- well, because you've got a solar eclipse going on right now. half the moon is donald trump, the other half of the moon is ben carson, and it's blocking governor -- neil: long solar eclipse. >> yeah. takes the taking a long time what i think will eventually happen. maybe i'm wrong, i've been accused of being part of the establishment and the establishment hack but what i think will happen is the

customer complaint vote that's being experienced right now is people going for carson or donald trump will fade and you go into the policy vote. neil: they said this a month ago, two months ago -- and you could be right. it changes. what is your fear? >> 25 years from now the history will be defined by this generation and possibly your debate where the pivot was that we switched from the electoral class where the nation feels that the electoral class has failed them to switch to somebody outside the electoral class of people. that may happen. general eisenhower got the job on that political experience. u.s. grant got that job with political experience. but societies rare for that in history to happen. i think there's a wisdom in crowds, i think what governor was saying is correct that you need somebody that's going to bring people together. i think it's going to be very hard for somebody and then to build that team of rivals --

neil: well, you could argue that push junior didn't work out that way be not entirely his fault, barack obama that was his call, what happens when they get to washington or the other party is dealing with them that doesn't happen? >> you've got calcified special interest in place, you've got billions where they're lobbying certain senators, certain blocks, look what happened on the gun control situation. there was no way that was ever going to get passed just because the way the money was -- whether you agree with gun control, the money is falling in a certain way that prevented it from happening. so this is going to create more sclerosis, more frustration from the voter. but it's not going to get fixed from the outside, neil. i'd love -- you know, i know mr. smith goes to washington and all of that sort of stuff. this stuff gets fixed on the inside where a group of -- neil: you're applying mr. trump -- >> a coalition of the willing. neil: okay.

>> listen, he's huge and everyone's a disappoint, and i love when he says it's a disaster, i love the word now, i've been using it regularly, this is a disaster, that's a disaster, but the substance isn't there. neil: all right, buddy, thank you very much. the expertise is ample when it comes to financial and political matters, from his neck of the woods, a big sell off going on but the sell off based on good news. the economy doing better than expected and that has everyone poised that the fed s going to raise rates next month and if so what happens after that. the fall out. after this

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. neil: all right. well, you didn't hear it from me but there's a debate tomorrow night. and this is the place where it's happening. beautiful milwaukee, wisconsin, at the milwaukee theater, salary beautiful city. what i love about it, a stone throw from some of the world's best processed meats and cheeses. but i digress but the show itself all set up, getting all spruced up where the candidates are going to be questioned in two ways, debate one, debate two, you know what can happen out of these things, you know each debate creates its own theatrics so we'll leave that in the past and all about talk about what we hope to achieve in this debate with all the candidates front and center, all issues of your money, who will keep

more of it or lose more of it. and i'm neil cavuto from milwaukee. if you had to sum up what these candidates have to do tomorrow night, what is it? >> stand out with a clear message that are frustrated by the lack of jobs in this country, by the skill gap where people say i'm educated but i can't get a decent job. i can't get a better job where your college education can run $200,000 for a kid. a kid gets out of college, they can't get work and a nation that has turned into an entitlement state if you will. how do you take things away from people and get help me onboard? . neil: used to getting stuff; right? i mean that's where the tough love comes into play and the rap against republican scott is that they're all for tough love. that it's for your own good but the free stuff ends. so how do they play that? >> well, the easy love has been out there now for eight years almost; right? how has that treated you? not very well.

neil: well, they come back and they say, well, you can talk about the quality jobs but there's more of them. you can talk about 10% unemployment or a economy that's down for the count but off the map. that's how democrats counter that argument. >> that's true. but the wage gap is something you can point to, household wealth isn't off the chart and talking about details, talking about plans and ideas that will actually and work be different from, say -- neil: look at the candidates who have done that. >> that's surprising and maybe it's because of the lack of detail. you can go up and there talk about the flat tax, lowering corporate taxes, but you've got to project into what that's going to mean. >> somebody was talking about this on maria's show this morning, you need a central message and a theme that drives your campaign, hope and change if you will. make america great again. who is really standing out the? and then ever proposal that you come out with is kind of tied to that one overall message.

and a lot of the candidates have not yet done that. what -- jeb, i can fix it? that doesn't really -- neil: if you think about it too, when you look back, and i've looked at a lot of debates getting ready for this one, one of the things that ronald reagan was effective at, each had their criticisms of the present environment which they were operating under but offering very uplifting sort of america. and i don't see that coming out of these candidates. or is it a change that it's very hard to make that convincing in a media world? >> i think it's been one of those issues where it has taken america and a time to realize that things haven't gotten better. we've given this administration enough time now to say okay. these policies are going to work for you, mr. and mrs. middle class and they didn't. neil: but see -- i'm not trying to be here for anybody. i'm just saying on the raw numbers the democrats can come out and say, well, we're at 10%, we're at 5%, we were in

the middle of a melt down, stocks have more than doubled. >> but the guy down the street -- neil: i hear you but that's a very slippery slope to not peg into something more solid. >> there's a malaise in this country of i should feel better, why don't i? i should be more optimistic about the future of the economy. the future of the country, and i don't. and i think that that's -- neil: then they've got to articulate that better. >> and that's what -- that's what carson and trump have tapped into. neil: very good. guys, thank you very much. i know you will be a great help if the next couple of days here because, again, there's a debate going on, i just thought i would pass that along. another thing too you probably know that benjamin netanyahu is in town meeting with the president and according to some reports it has gotten to be a tension convention. on why that might be and why this meeting has done very, very little to ease that. after this

neil: welcome back, everybody, i'm neil cavuto and this time in what they call the milwaukee theater and it was in this environment where we're going to see these environments for the fourth major debate this year. only a couple of weeks after the last financial debate. they're going to be addressing thesissues i'm in the rh right now because i think the event is going to be tomorrow and certainly in the theater behind me where the candidates will be but for these candidates, they're addressing an economy that's at the cross sections of america, milwaukee's unemployment rate is higher than the national average even though the state unemployment rate is lower than the national average. wisconsin governor scott walker was thought to be a premiere player in this race is not in this race right now, but issues near and dear to

this state, what do you think they are the same ones near and dear to you and your state and in this country. the top five russia's all economic, they're all interchangeably the same, jobs, the economy, security, and increasingly the global security. and to that i want to peg to washington today and the meeting between the united states and benjamin netanyahu of israel. joe lieberman was watching that closely, i don't know, senator, if you're good at body language but it looks tense but obviously the two have very, very big differences on how to go forward. israel says this administration has abandoned them, others say that the israelis are taking this way too extreme and benjamin netanyahu has stirred up the pot, especially when it came to this iranian agreement. do you think that things are improving with this visit? >> neil, good to be with you. well, i think both the president and prime minister have self interest in having these meetings come out positive for both. i mean the middle east as

unstable as i've seen it in a long time both within israel because of this outbreak of terrorist acts against civilians but also obviously because of the chaos in syria and the rise of the islamic state and the move of russia into the middle east. so, you know, you look at it and israel and the u.s. share a lot of values, a lot of interest. there have been disagreements between prime minister and the president but the iran agreement, which was the big disagreement is done for now. the palestinian -- neil: yeah, it sounds like that you -- but you're right. it sounds like what they discussed we're got an discuss that. we know you hate it, prime minister, we know it's a done deal us and we think it's going to work out. so they refocus on the palestinian violence and i think what the administration has asked is what can we do? do you know what we can do in that front because the prime minister said, well, effectively you can get the whole global community off our

back as if we're the agitators here but where does that stand? >> well, really this is domestic security. so most of it is up to the israelis and the palestinian leadership can help by stopping the insightment against israel, which creates a kind of material for groups like islamic state over social media to light and create the fires that lead people to go out and stab civilians. sort of an ironic moment, neil, as you come to the meetings today between obama and netanyahu on the palestinian, israeli track, the administration basically saying the president doesn't expect major progress in the remaining 14 months of his administration. prime minister netanyahu on the other hand says he's ready to go back to peace talks. but clearly the iranian palestinian conflict doesn't feel like it's anywhere near close to progress. the other things in the middle east really u.s. and israel

have to be together and the as you say going to reassure israel. president obama doesn't want to be seen as antiisrael and prime minister netanyahu needs the u.s.' support and i think that's what's going to come out of this. neil: senator, thank you very, very much. we were mentioning this president what he wants to leave to the next president as well and a message from hillary clinton she too supports israel. she's trying to sell and pitch that point in new hampshire today. also filed all the necessary paperwork "she" all do -- i think they have less than a week to do this. and then they're all officially in there. the candidates for the president of the united states. we've got all the republican ones here in millio milwaukee. more all of this we live in a world of mobile technology,

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good luck. neil: want to keep expectations low, young man. now, let me ask you about expectations of these candidates. you were mentioning, especially some of the ones who are struggling in the polls that it -- they've got more pressure on them. now, that could be passed. what do they have to do? >> there's a tremendous amount of pressure because if they don't do well in new hampshire -- neil: what do they have to do here? >> they have to be -- they have to talk about things that people care about, which i've said before it's kef sit, taxes, spending, national security, sometimes there's a little hook, i thought christy and rubio did a great job lasts time, and it showed in the polling thereafter. but some of the other people they're in the second -- look at lindsey. he's been doing great, he came to our backyard barbecue, he did well and he's not even here. neil: lindsey graham. >> yeah. i think calorie needs to come up, she didn't have a break out debate last time. neil: even when you do, she's a great debater.

>> great. neil: that's not all it takes. i was reading interesting poll after the bush, gore debates, all three of them, those who judge debates said gore got the better of bush but there was an important distinction of who did voters like more. it was bush. now, i don't know how that translates to her or she didn't get more of a bang for her buck after the debate or any of the candidates. but it's a mix of qualities; right? >> i think everybody has their own strengths and in this instance you have -- and i believe it, every single one would make a better president than hillary clinton or bernie sanders. neil: but they have to spell it out. and those who have with their policies, you mention christy, you can mention jeb bush, scott walker was in this race. they're not rewarded for it. >> isn't it funny how the people are the most vague are now leading and the ones who have very specific plans are actually not doing well and i'm not quite sure why. i think people are poking right now and waiting for this debate and other debates to come. and as i said before in

new hampshire, it's four, five, six days out, they ultimately -- neil: so? neil: that's the decide. do we base this on national polls in new hampshire, they put the pedal to the metal very late. >> you ask senator gregg, it's all true. it's so true, and i hate to say it. i didn't make this up but in iowa they pick corn and new hampshire they pick candidates. it's true. neil: you realize we have viewers in both states. >> i do. my wife's from iowa so i can say that. her in-laws are going to kill me. when you look at when it really starts, is that first in the nation primary state and then they go from there and i don't think this is going to be subtle for quite a while. neil: well, if you think about it, iowa was consequential in terms of pushing the presidency all the way to 1976 with charter. >> yeah. we're in a different century. neil: it sounds to me a little bit like new hampshire lead to your part. >> well, it's just a fact. it's a fact. it's been an interesting process. i appreciate everybody

stepping out and doing their best. neil: all right, senator, thank you very, very much. >> good luck and congratulations. neil: all right. and a lot of people -- yeah, scott brown's here, whatever. okay. i'm here with maria bartiromo, hello, does anyone know? we've got more coming up here, including the fall out for candidates who don't do well tomorrow. how many more debates do they have left in them? how many more support can they get? that's how consequential this is. it's not just about the great food here, although that is crucial, it is about what you can get after you leave here. stick around. you are watching fox business. and that's what this debate is all about. business. more after this

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neil: all right. welcome back to milwaukee, everybody, i'm neil cavuto we're just learning that the big relatinger target is going to be open on thanksgiving. as you know there have been a wave of retailers that experimented with this and said no. no. our employees want to be with their

families, we don't do that or cut back on their black friday hours, that's not the case of target saying that it will -- it will open its doors 6:00 p.m. on thanksgiving, enough time for their families to go ahead and celebrate the holiday. but then to get their fannies to work. now, it really depends on your perspective. if you're having a holiday meal and, you know, a good holiday meal but let's say you're with your in-laws and hypothetically you're not jazzed into being with them all day, target is offering you an alternative. so there is that flip side. so, again, depends on your family whether you like them or not. all right. the very latest right now on what's happening here, what we can see here. blake burma, what's at stake because others are taking interest in this, including some protesters. >> yeah. that's right, neil, good afternoon to you as well here from milwaukee. you know, protests are nothing new

to debates, presidential debates, certainly will be the case here tomorrow and down the line, but there's one movement going down nationwide, and outside the theater in milwaukee as well. that's the fight for 15, which is a nationwide movement tomorrow we're told in about 270 cities so you can believe thousands of workers -- and this deals with the service industry workers who are calling for a living wage, a working wage of $15 an hour. and in some cases, we are being told by all -- many of the reporting out there that some of these workers will walk off the job and certainly there will be protests all across the country. here in milwaukee, they will use the debate stage here as the backdrop for that. we're told city hall not too far from here, probably about half a mile or so, they'll end up marching down here and be among many of the protesters, we're told probably about a thousand just from that group alone and if you go to the website or at least the website at the group,

wisconsin's jobs now, they kind of give a statement as to why they're doing this, and i'll read you a little bit of that. they say -- and i'm reading quote we're sick and tired of corporations and the wealthy having so much power that they can manipulate the rules in their favor. they go on to say we will hold the rich and powerful to the same rules everybody else plays by. as we know this $15 an hour issue has been big on the democratic side, bernie sanders calling for $15 an hour, hillary clinton about 12, the president 10 and they're trying to make an issue of it here at the republican debate. neil. neil: meanwhile a lot of this gets buzz on social media as well, jo link kent on that. jo ling. >> yeah. we're gathering all of this new debate from about facebook as well. and i want to share with you what people are saying about this. the top issues people are talking about right now. well, it's different than all the rest, it's religion, the

economy, guns comes in number three, education followed by abortion rounding out the top five. and then if you take a look at the earlier debate with chris christy who is leading the polls in that debate, you can see what facebook followers are talking about with christy, you can see it's taxes, crime and criminal justice, racial issues, and cuba interesting enough, neil. neil: it's wild when you look at the break down of the issues that matter to them and more thorny issues, economic issues, once again progressive to the point that these are important issues. >> yeah. neil: but i was just thinking too blake outside this complex where they're waiting -- could be upwards of thousand fast food protesters. that is something that has been galvanized and organized through the social media site. so it's a great way to get all forces together. >> yeah. neil: for an event, isn't it? >> yeah. it really is.

certainly the parkin presidential election brings out a lot of and issues we want to take a look at what's resonating in so many of these states where the candidates have been spending most of their time in swing states like wisconsin and also going to iowa, you're absolutely right, the economy in the top five, number four and government ethics resonating there, neil, and as we flip over to new hampshire for the top five issues resonating on facebook there, it's government and ethics very similar to what we see in iowa. you see guns, religion, but the economy and taxes on the forefront. so that's definitely what voters are hoping to hear tomorrow night during those two debates, neil,. neil: all right, jo ling, thank you very, very much. hillary clinton when she does file all the necessary paperwork to vote or to have her name included on the ballot in the new hampshire democratic primary, she is going to be talking to reporters. we don't know, a select few reporters and then open it up

to all questioners, but talking to reporters and a lot of folks gathering here in this city have to say about her and the economy. that is coming up. and also getting a confirmation from apple that that long-awaited for ipad pro, it's a larger one than the tribunal one, they have that i'm holding here. this one is actually the size of a newspaper so this way you don't need to hold a newspaper, you can hold something metallic and the size of a full newspaper. not quite but a lot of hope on that one and it could turn things around. we'll keep you up to date on that. real quickly keeping you up to date on the sell off on this market and a lot of the the optimism the economy is going well go ahead and hike interest rates. now, that might be bad for stocks, not necessarily assuring for interest rates. ten-year low, a lot of mortgages paying banks, that's six-month highs but more importantly what's going on with the two-year note, that's more on the market and the

yield on that, the highest it's been in more than five years typically when they start seeing interest rates back up just a little bit, it telegraphs bigger backupsin rates, not all the time but from the time it gets an, uh-oh, from the markets. and a big uh-oh. stick around. we are in milwaukee. more after this the future belongs to the fast.

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neil: all right. one of these big donors, candidates always try to suck up to because they need his money, they never his

influence, carries considerable cash. do you get a lot more people sucking up to you now these days, i know rick is your guy, you like what he did for him, but others saying look at me. >> yeah, follow onto me if you decide that rick doesn't want to continue on. but rick's in there for the fight and it's kind of interesting how the media hasn't picked up on some of the most interesting discussions. he came out with a tax plan that arthur laffer, steve forbes, steve moore and not only endorsed but praised and it was a group national policy center, so there's been five presidential tax plans, they named four and didn't even mention his but seemed to be the one most favored by these guys. so the press still needs a little catching up to do to get onboard -- neil: no. you're right about that. and he had to endure this four years ago and he was compared to and nowhereville in the polls and yet went on to as we

know in retrospect win iowa. but we just had scott brown on with me a few minutes ago and he said iowa isn't as important as new hampshire. it doesn't have the influence that it used to the last time it brought a nominee all the way to the parties nod to the white house was jimmy carter. so not as big of deal as it used to be. what do you think. >> well, i think it's a very big deal because if you don't do in iowa, itdoesn't matter howl if you do new hampshire. you've got to do well in iowa and that's why a lot of people in the past didn't participate in iowa because they didn't think choked well there. but i think the polling is really being the question. did you notice, neil, that in kentucky governor was down 3%? . neil: you are right. you are right. >> i'm told the pollers -- neil: so don't trust these polls, in other words? i know you're a very deeply religious man, i want to get your thoughts on ben carson and donald trump these outside the box candidates. particularly ben carson and all the beating up he's

getting as have late. what do you think of that? >> well, keep in mind i'm not a big fan of being a religious man because jesus didn't like those guys. called his sons a vipers, so i'm not a religious guy -- well, you don't wear it on your sleeves but you're not exactly immoral; right? >> well, someone said when you invite the lord in your life, you don't become sinless, you might sin less, but basically to answer your question, i think it's really amazing when you think about it. neil: okay. >> if you look at all of the announcements that are made, jeb bush, ted cruz, almost seven or eight of them all purposely went out of the way . neil: they are all -- >> with jesus krist. i think that was pretty amazing. neil: okay. i've bone the edition sin you can do in tv. blown a commercial break. we'll say goodbye and more after this being a keen observer of the world has gotten you far, but what if you could see more of what you wanted to know? with fidelity's new active trader pro investing platform,

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neil: here we are with wisconsin. you may have heard a thing or two about the debate. fox news will bring you that with the "wall street journal." one and two will state their case on why they should be leading the free world. it is sort of like herding kittens. some kittens reach out and crawl back. how are you doing? >> i am doing really good. candidates go back and forth. this one is getting more attention. this one is getting more time. our number one job is to treat all of these guys with fairness. the best interest of other candidates collectively. we try to get them to the right person. our goal is to make sure that

all the candidates have the best format and best form to express why they want to be president of the united states. >> one debate, a cnn debate was really red hot. i can understand that. after the last debate to say that we want to create everything from moderators to whether we can have opening statements, how do you juggle that? >> i think that tomorrow will change a lot of that. i think that once they skip back on track and see you and maria and the team at the "wall street journal" put on a professional debate that is the issues that matter to the american people. i think a lot of that subsides. stemming from the mistakes that were made 10 days ago. what we try to do is get the insurance that they need. a lot of those in the letter that they were proposing was a lot of leisure book questions.

i think the candidates have a right to know. you going to use a particular graphic? they are not demand, they are questions. the same way you would want to know. neil: not trying to be pro- or anti-network. the closer you get to iowa, right, a candidate that is desperate or losing support or donor support, they are more likely to lash out at mother theresa. >> i think at certain points candidates have to do -- neil: how do you wait that into your thinking? >> a collective concern among all the campaign voters. i do not like the color of my chairs. in that case, here is the appropriate person to talk to. our job is -- neil: becoming a priest at a confessional. >> look, our job is to make sure that the candidate gets put

first. that is our role. it is not about me. neil: so many candidates. that would be the case. >> that is another thing that is historically different. the most number of people that has ever been on the debate stage is 10. suddenly, to deal with 17 candidates as we had, 15, now 14, that number in himself is really difficult. devious cycles, mitt romney, george bush, the debate got led by whatever the demand was. now, we have a bona fide till it in the fields. yes, there are some front runners. a lot less certain. without someone even knowing the delegates. >> i feel really confident the way it works.

always has worked. >> we have portions. >> a tie in with the electoral college. neil: that is yr way of dismissing my question. >> no, it's not. there is a higher likelihood now they met ever has been. the process always tends to work itself out. my guess is we know who that is. neil: shawn, thank you very much. the democrat side or the republican side. pretty cool about it. in the meantime, i do want to bring you up-to-date on other development going on here. 1000 strong coming here. workers concerned. back and forth on some of the candidates participating in tomorrow's debate, including ben

carson whether he is all that he says he is. with the "wall street journal" and national politics editor. these charges that doctor carson and his biography is not quite what it seems. are they resonating? >> that is what we are going to find out. the republican primary. the media is part of his response. newt gingrich lost new hampshire higher. he lost iowa. he had an opportunity and wanted these debates just like this one to criticize the media. he took off. he continued doing it for a number of debates. he went into florida very strong before ultimately losing. attacking the media resonates with a republican audience. >> concerned. i know that the doctor got into

that with maria bartiromo this morning. i want to play a clip of that, if you can. >> there were several rings that i was excited to because of my status at the city is negative officer. the general was one of them. there were some congressional medal of honor winners there as well. it was really quite an honor. honestly, 45-50 years ago. i cannot remember every single detail about it. neil: i should have put that in some context. encouraging him to fly to west point. back and forth whether that eating took lace or whether it was a place for him to do so. one of the things that many of the media cited. do you think that this gets in the way of trust? he has a great deal of trust.

>> there is some risk here. new and fresh and novel. just getting to know him. if he were to go with this debate and flush out a fuller economic land, help people understand how he would govern as president. how is policy would be. how his biography helped him to understand the principles. these discrepancies and his past may seem trivial and small. if he does not fill in other plagues about him, this media line about him being untrustworthy, he will have to fill out the picture of himself to make what we're discussing now less relevant. neil: thank you very much. joining us here in milwaukee. maria bartiromo. moderating tomorrow night. along with the "wall street journal" gerard baker.

candidates will seize on that back drop of doctor carson. one guy we know is donald trump. >> at is absolutely right. that will create once again -- he needs to film the holes. it is on that carson right now to fill in the holes. in terms of who is advising him. how he would govern. neil: in other words, it is more than just your resume. he is a little gray on a lot. >> that is absolutely right. this whole idea that he is a liar and not trustworthy is crumbling. the liberal media is attacking him because he is at the top of the polls. these questions are fair questions. he has written about it. they are fair questions. if he had a solid economic plan, well, maybe you does, but he has not revealed it enough.

if he comes out with serious solutions, he starts filling in the holes here, i think that this would go away. neil: 01 that have put up the positions, you think about jeb bush and chris christie, even john k-6, storming in the polls as a result. i wonder if some of them feel tempted to be bad. attempted to talk in broad generality. >> that is a good point. you look at donald trump. he is talking about formers of the tax code. not necessarily an overall plan. carly fiorina the same thing. why would i write anything down. everything changes once you write it down. neil: you can almost see that. we talked to people to the white house without having real detail positions. it happens a lot. they can go the other way. >> when you come to the table

with the background of medicine, neurosurgeon, you really need to offer something else. having said that, he is right there with drought. it is about integrity and honesty. neil: i look forward to tomorrow night. they win the situation. no matter what we say, someone will hold it against us. any nasty question is from maria. maria is working on any good question. it is from me. i think it will work out well. neil: do not forget the big debate tomorrow night. it should be interesting. all of this stuff going on social media drawing a bunch of attention to this big night. we had the opening debate with sandra. of course, maria and i. gerard baker as well. it could change. this is a moving needle. continued. action here.

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a long time ago. would not be in that position. surely enough, we are facing that position. he is going to be leading 10,000 troops in afghanistan. anna god's mental part of this administration, you cannot just disassociate yourself from this part of the world. show this differentiation from this administration. you read the polls as well as anyone. americans have had it. they have said enough already. >> they keep seeing failure and failure from this administration. what they cannot do tomorrow is complain. they can't be on the state saying boy this policy is a disaster. this policy is a disaster. sit in an armchair quarterback mode and pretend they can critique. we do not want someone to critique. we want someone to put forward ideas. what the american people want to

see our solutions. what are your plans. how are you going to use the un? how are you going to use nato? neil: look at the candidates that have done that. look at lindsay graham. boots on the ground. not that he has been richly rewarded for his plan that is very tough, very firm, pat by u.s. full dissipation in a region that is disbanding. he is not afford debates. >> i think that lindsay graham is doing the right thing. neil: the ones in there that are more forceful foreign-policy. do not talk to putin. >> i think that i saw her clarify a little bit more. he is not going to be rewarded with a conversation until he adjusts the behavior.

the values of what we say and our actions. he pretends he is doing something when he is giving 50 troops 50 troops on the ground inside a disaster situation. the 50 troops, that is a worse idea because those 50 americans are now going to be really in harms way. they are going up against russian to have hardware and a whole bunch of other ideas and plans. russians want to pop up a sod. we want aside to go. neil: the comments about his son in the administration. not too much a fan of dick cheney. i am wondering, besides what you said about rumsfeld, it is what you said about his son and comments.

i am paraphrasing here. it is a mistake to use dialogue like that. do you think it is? >> i think president george w. bush, i worked on his campaign and have great respect for him, i think he is saying that the tone would be different. he comes at a different angle. times were different. a different person because he was a president before we had 9/11. clearly, george w. bush did not come into office thinking he would be this big rate world leader. >> that changed. >> absolutely. that was still that language that make situations worse. do you agree? >> i think that you have to be very firm. you have to have your actions and your policies follow that.

you cannot just say something and pretend you did not mean it. i think that that is worse. neil: thank you very much. we have interest rates backing up a lot, folks. we have a two year note that is now the highest that we have seen in the better part of five years. probably wondering why in milwaukee would you mentioned something like that. the last time something like that happened, we were heading into something called an inflationary spiral. no way. we will have more from the walkie after this. ♪ attention americans eligible for medicare.

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expert on market street. a big mouth presence here. speed. charlie: part of the crew that controlled las vegas and the chicago families. you want to know anything else? >> why they mentioning names here? obviously a lot at stake. debate one and two. especially to the people. charlie: new york is buzzing about this debate. especially the marco rubio. tomorrow will be the day that will be lights out for jeb bush as the establishment candidate. they can knock him out of the race. having a very good debate. it is not like we have to pray for jeb to screw up. we just have to do really well.

if we do really well, we will be the de facto establishment candidate. neil: we have given -- tomorrow night, it is oafish the. charlie: they think. lights out for bush if rubio has a good debate. if he proves himself to be presidential, strong. they believe they will knock bush out as the establishment candidate. if jeb bush is not the establishment candidate, i do not see the tape parties flocking. >> senior administration officials. these non-establishment guys, the ben carson, the donald trump, they will not make it. we have been waiting for that. people will come to realize that they just do not have the required experience. charlie: here is the problem. when i talk to sophisticated fundraisers, they say that ted

cruz is the guy. look at it this way. raising money both in small donations from establishment types in texas. texas and about 20 blocks from new york. he combines the religious right and the tea party years. neil: is he established? he is a senator. speechwriter he can raise money from the establishment which he has proven he cannot ready do. he combines the tea party with their religious rights. >> between a rubio and a cruise. >> crews may win. he has the ability -- listen. let's look at the numbers. the establishment does not represent the main voter these days. t partier or religious right. or a combination. that is about 77% of the electric peer and he appeals to

that. i had an arugula salad with grilled chicken about an hour ago. neil: you could not find -- charlie: the last of the great -- it is gone. i may get kicked off now that i mentioned that family. [laughter] neil: that is a different guy. okay. whatever. all right. believe me, there is some substance of stuff we will be getting. this will no dow matt. i see some people with torches in the middle of the day. stick around. we have a lot more coming up from milwaukee. including a ben carson supporter. too good for words. what he should do.

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fox business "wall street journal" presidential debate, we hope to keep it to economic issues. we thought that would be great idea. we hope you agree. we want to pass along comments from the white house, josh earnest on this whole ben carson kefuffle. people say this has to do with the fact that this administration has gotten a pass from this type of media scrutiny. that is not fair. senator barack obama didn't get same sort of attention. josh earnest, he doesn't agree carson had more scrutiny than barack obama. people need to remember the process is good for our democracy. people have to have claims scrutinized. that is part of the process. john souza, is a big ben carson supporter. you don't agree, that the president had just as much scrutiny? >> whose records are sealed, neil? it is not dr. carson's records sealed, educational records, it is barack obama's. and there is lots about barack obama's past we don't know. and, if you look at dr. carson,

he has written books. there has been a movie done. we know everything about -- neil: do you know everything, when you heard some of this stuff, there could have been maybe some things left out or slight exaggerations? his critics say worse than that but anything that came to light that you thought, i didn't know that, and i maybe he did exaggerate that or give you pause? >> well, you've got the westmoreland thing, right? but i'm a little bit older than you neil, i can't remember what happened and when i met someone. i met ronald reagan on a couple of occasions but if you ask me where it was i couldn't tell you. neil: yeah. what if it turns out he didn't meet him? we don't know that for a fact, would it change your mind? >> well, i would wonder if in fact he didn't meet him and i would betcha dollars to doughnuts he did meet him. neil: but your point was, if he were not such a formidable force

in the party, doing well in the polls nobody would know this or care? >> nobody would care. neil: tells you what happens. machine rapid fire on every front runter, and he is seeing it now. do you think he handled himself well? >> i think a guy who has never run for office before i think he is doing incredible well. has he made some foe paws? sure. -- faux pass, sure. he stays on message. the left-leaning media is out to lynch this guy. they're afraid of him because he is the only republican candidate that can beat hillary next year. neil: well, depending on poll, a lot of them beat her, but you think he has sustained support and poll numbers will hold up? that trust issue gave him an edge with female voters. do you still that being the case next few days? >> absolutely.

people believe in dr. ben carson. i think they want dr. ben carson to be their next president. i think they will stick with him. neil: what about john sununus say you have to have some experience within system, at least know how to operate within it? >> carson is really good at bringing in experts. he did that when he developed the process for separating conjoined twins at the head. neil: which is pretty impressive talent itself. >> i have a hard time putting a bandaid on my finger. he didn't do it all by himself. he developed the process. he went around the world, said, tell me where i'm right, tell me where i'm wrong. he will do the same thing. neil: what about donald trump, the most criticism of him on this issue what he said and when he said it, what if that turns into nastiness, are you worried for the party? >> well, i think shame on donald. i think donald should have waited until the dust settled and should have other candidates before they started running

their mouths. let's see what the real truth is. and i believe the real truth is, that his autobiography is 98% on the money. neil: all right. john sues sachs thank you very much. a big ben carson supporter. not an inch much less so since this dusted up. more from wisconsin, including what various other candidates are doing. we heard from someone who believes very much in dr. carson. we will have someone who believes very much in jeb bush after this. ♪

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performance in this debate jeb is finish and rubio emerges as consensus establishment candidate. maybe too early to tell. if this next fellow is right, way too early to tell. david bechtel is big jeb bush donor and supporter and he doesn't see that wavering one bit, right? >> i don't. jeb had good week in new hampshire. we talked about the scott brown and event there. i think also is nice people he traveling with him when he was governor of florida to help tell the story. neil: maybe started with trump to start show more energy thing and maybe last debate and maybe on shorter end of tit-for-tat with marco rubio but he seems out of sort. is he? >> oh, i don't think so. i do have benefit of watching when he is campaigning and i pay attention to the videos that they send out and -- neil: i see some of that too. scott brown was telling me about backyard barbecue where he

mesmerized crowd of 300. why doesn't it happen on debate stage? >> i think this stage format will be better. what i heard you will allow candidates to talk more about what they have been able to accomplish as opposed to some he said/she said things that happened in previous debates. neil: if it does get a little heated the rap against your guy, as highly regarded former governor he is, he doesn't have the fight in him. >> i have seen plenty of fight. this is a guy who govern ad state for eight years, purple state and left with almost 70% approval rating. the same guy also had republican legislature, line-item vetoed over $2 billion in spending. he knows how to do tough things. there are ups and downs that happen in campaigns when you're governing. i'm not worried one iota for jeb bush and how tough he is. neil: does he have to win florida. >> i think he will win florida.

neil: if he doesn't, is he in trouble. >> you have to do well. some states are in -- neil: not winner-take-all, that florida is, but you crunch numbers and also history guy. so you know history. could we get to cleveland without a nominee? >> that's a very interesting question. i don't know how that plays out. i do think that the organization that jeb has built, voter contacts that he is doing, a lot of people don't understand, don't know the mechanics involved in this. it is like building a big business. neil: what i understand is they're frustrated and the rank-and-file had it with the rank-and-file. they seem to be rebelling against establishment candidates, even when they have had a great walker. scott walker, say what you will, had consequential meaningful record, he's out. rick perry, consequential job generating better than decade long-record, he is out. what is going on? how does that explain the ben carson phenomena, donald trump phenomena?

that is not easing up at all? i think it has a little bit, you have to look beyond the national numbers and look deeper what vote remembers looking for. they're looking for executive level leadership both in the private sector and in government. you go through all the different scenarios where people really care about when they are going to vote, that is where jeb will come out ahead i think. neil: are there enough of them? >> i think there are, i think there are. you cited i am a history major and history -- neil: then you're proud to admit it? >> very proud to admit it. university of wisconsin badger. we, i just do think that will play out. it always does. the other thing, new hampshire, 50% of the people normally make up their mind last week of the election which is pretty amazing. neil: that is something that chris christie is latching himself on to because he is resonating in these town hall meetings. that's something that will help him. so it's fluid to put it mildly? >> very fluid and still a lost retail politics to go on.

this is very early. only crazy people like you and i pay attention. neil: what does president bush think about the jon meacham book coming out on george bush, sr. and unloads on dick cheney and stewardship of the iraq war, down to donald rumsfeld? even his sons, george w. bush's axis of evil comments that kind of talk that didn't really help matters any, do you think jeb bush foles that controversy and has to deal with it? >> i don't think so. i think the book will show, right now the press talks about the conflict part. neil: you're right. >> i think the book will also show everybody's different in the family. neil: why do you think his dad is coming out to say all this. >> they have known jon meacham for a long time. he helped them with literacy foundation. neil: these comments are years old. >> years old. these are things talked about now. when the entire book is read and

they will see what jeb is about and relationship with the father, how significant that is. neil: you're still firmly behind jeb bush? you think he will pull this out? >> 100% and betting all my friends. neil: wow, that is badger bet. >> thank you. neil: david, thank you very, very much. so there is, the stage is set for two very riveting debates where anything can happen. in case you don't think opening debate can do that, need i mention carly fiorina. she is on the big stage. there was a time she was sort of minimized. that is how a debate can change everything. so whether you're on the first stage, the second stage, if you take advantage of it fully, you're on fire. don't sandra smith and trish regan know that they're next.

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♪ neil: all right. joined by two of my great colleagues, they're brainiacs, sandra smith, trish regan. they are handling opening debate with four guys going for the jugular, chris christie, mike huckabee, who are the two? >> senator santorum. neil: senator santorum and governor jindal. could you argue in such a environment those guys will be loaded for bear. >> coming out swinging, is that what you're saying? neil: i think they have nothing to lose coming out swinging. >> some would argue they have the least to lose of candidates that will be up there tomorrow night. no too hard to predict maybe gloves might come off. neil: no matter what question you ask, they will go at it, right? >> that is the important thing about the forum and debates. you have the opportunity to prove yourself to the american public. that is exactly what they will be doing.

neil: that is exactly what carly fiorina did. >> exactly. very good point of the question who can distinguish themselves on stage from substantive point of view tomorrow night. neil: i don't want to give away questions, nor will i give away mine, but you've been both pain steak leaving little wiggle room. you want answers as demand of your guests. you want answers. how do you balance that balance answers and -- >> amazing process to go through. if you think about it these candidates are on the campaign trail answering these questions every single day. you read the news everything has been asked, and everything is out there but not all the questions are answered, neil. you have to ask the questions the way you get the american voters questions answered. >> do we really look like we're obnoxious? to your point you have to ask. neil: closer you get to the caucuses, that, no matter the question, if it's a difficult one, and they're in vulnerable

position, either with donors or their own poll numbers they will lash out. >> there is difference between gotcha question and difficult question. we're not out there to get the candidates or stump them. neil: go ahead. >> from a economics perspective question, questions are difficult. you're talking about fairly sophisticated stuff. how do you grow our economy? how do you get more jobs? what should we be doing on trade and what should we be doing on tax policy these are sophisticated, tough topics. it is up to them to be prepared and have answers that what american public are demanding and all of us will be demanding. neil: you have to get the big picture as well. >> we have benefit, neil, we have access to facebook data that shows what the national conversation is right now on the issues. so we know what the american voter is talking about. so we can cater our debate and cater our questions to what people care about the most. neil: three people with respect.

never be disagreeable about it. >> that is very important. >> do you get the idea this could change fortunes for some some? charlie gasparino was here a few minutes ago and saying rubio folks are trying to put jeb bush away as consensus candidate. >> nobody told me charlie gasparino was here. neil: i thought he was in new york. he is here looking for italian restaurants which is weird. nevertheless, i never knew you could have kill bass is a -- kiblasa and garlic. but do you think they are going in with expectations to put carson away on comments he made or his resume', that gotcha? >> if you're competing, as these candidates are, they have got to be approaching all of these, all of these forums with the opportunity with take away majority of the vote and put away another candidate. i always think that's there. i think it very much will be on

display tomorrow night because the stakes have to then so much higher. this is the issue, what the economy and people care about. >> i say anybody's night, neil. neil: that i fully, fully agree with. i might remind people back in 1992, long before you you were ladies were born, they were talking about the seven democratic candidates called the seven dwarfs debates amongst themselves. bill clinton emerged from that bunch to become president of the united states. that was at knight h 1992, this same time of year. actually, '91. history reminds you. history can fool you. >> it can happen.

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charlie gasparino reported that the marco rubio people hope that they become the de facto candidate. hillary clinton. very tough to be. the pen thing on the polls, that is the feeling here. this may be hard to believe in this day and age. fourteen years ago, around this time, bill clinton was given very little shot of being the democratic nominee for president in 1992, that even if he were, that he would be swamped. it was a certain debate where he first raised these words, i believe in a place called hope. he was talking about hope, arkansas. he was talking about his own story. changing the look of the south. that was then. you know what bill clinton went on to. fourteen years ago, that arkansas governor trailed and george bush sr. by over 30

points in the polls. he went on to become president, not once, but twice. his wife went on to run for president, not once, but now twice. history is a funny thing. maybe we are seeing it made here in milwaukee. we're there every step of the way. trish: you bet we are, neil. welcome to the intelligence report. we are live in milwaukee, wisconsin. a job market that is barely growing. a federal reserve that could cruise raise interest rates. the economy is very well focus. they need to show american voters how they will grow the american economy. the stakes are high. we will get answers. joining me today with a preview is our all-star li