i mean, it's sort of unfair to compare it to cnbc, because cnbc really was so awful. stuart: tell it how you see it, jonah. don't hold back. come on. let me introduce you, ladies and gentlemen, to one of the star moderators last night. his name is neil cavuto. neil, round of applause from everybody. fantastic stuff. neil: very kind of you, but i don't think any of us have slept. this might be a tad incoherent two hours here. thank you very much, stuart. we are focusing on the fallout from the debate last night including discussion back and forth whether republicans are inclined to hike the minimum wage because with the debate last night, both debates, there were protests going on outside this building. many calling for more than doubling the minimum wage to $15 an hour. and we put that question right to the candidates. would you be open to raising the minimum wage by any level. take a peek. >> so do not raise the minimum wage.

>> i would not raise the minimum. neil: sir, just to be clear, you would not raise it? >> i would not raise it. >> if i thought raising the minimum wage is the best way to help people increase their pay, i would be all for it. it isn't. in the 21st century, it's a disaster. neil: almost to a man and woman, i think it is fairly universal here, maybe with the exception of rick santorum. the idea is that raising the minimum wage, first of all should not be a federal government responsibility. the other is, well, how much you want to raise it, and it hurt this recovery. we're going to be getting into this with bobby jindal, one of the presidential candidates who put in a very good debate performance for himself. i want to raise the economic fallout and whether republicans risk being on the shorter end of this populist stick here. johnny hoenig joins us from the capitalist pig, and we have a democratic strategist, also extraordinaire. welcome to both of you. jonathan, do you think the fine

lines, not so fine because of the candidates are pretty clear, they think the minimum wage is just fine where it is. they say obviously maybe different states could control this, depending on how expensive it is in their localities, but wouldn't hillary clinton use that against them? >> only if they allow it to be used. and only if given to hillary clinton's basic principle, neil, that's where the gop loses on this idea. they give in, even rubio, even trump, carson give into the idea that we need a minimum wage. that minimum wage is moral, that it's right. they'd love to make it higher but we don't want to risk having jobs. the gop needs to take away the moral line and say the minimum wage should be zero. and people should work for whatever they want and offer whatever they want. that would be a radical idea that would get voters excited. neil: i think bernie sanders is talking about a $20 minimum

wage, but you know the spillover effect. what you raise for the bottom rung, you have to raise all the way up and it gets to be a mess for a lot of companies that can ill-afford it. do you worry it boomerangs on hillary clinton or democrats in general? >> absolutely not. we got so much cannon fodder thanks to your question, we're going to have plenty of video with the front-runners. rubio's stance on this, he's the one that scares us the most. stance was solid, which means we get to go into working class neighborhoods in kentucky and pennsylvania and ohio and indiana and tell people, he's not fighting for you. not fighting for your wage to keep it fair. neil: no, no, i want to understand. double the minimum wage and we'll find a way to pay for that later? >> your pay needs to match your production, we as a society are two times as productive as we were in the past. >> that's a great opportunity, if republicans take it to walk into some of the neighborhoods where joblessness is so high

and say if government left you free to accept any job you wanted, left employers to offer jobs they wanted, you would be productive, you'd have the opportunities, that's the point, the gop needs to get on the moral side of the issue, having the minimum wage hurts lower income people. it hurts them, does not help them and the gop is going to make it clear, until they do, they've lost the battle. >> jobs went up. so i don't see where this logic comes into play. neil: one thing to raise a little bit, joseph. doubling it? come on. >> i think you're right. i will definitely see that point. we need to do this over time but need to set real goals on what it needs to be based on productivity and what it costs to live in this nation. neil: thank you, guys, very much. >> if we raise the minimum wage, they lose. >> you are like they were at the debate last night. let me make a statement. no, i want to make a statement no, i want to make a statement. thank you very much.

bobby jindal in the first debate and got fiery results, and a little bit of nastiness back and forth. take a peek at this. >> we've got four senators running, they've never cut anything in d.c. they give these long speeches called filibusters, pat themselves on the back, nothing changes. when they go to relieve themselves their cause and the toilets get flushed at the same time, and the american people lose. neil: all right, do you regret that wording? >> not at all, i think people need to lighten up. this is the important issue. it's not enough to send any republican to d.c. any, republican says we want to cut government spending. if we send a big government republican, nothing will change. we've got republican majorities in the house and the senate. they told us give us the majority. we would change things, they told us they'd stop obamacare and amnesty and iran deal and planned parenthood, nothing has changed. neil: you know what bothered some of them, not only get rid of democrats but get rid of all of the republicans in there. you alienated the people you

have to work with. >> we're not serious about making change? neil: when you are serious about that, how do you think a paul ryan would feel and other guys? >> we need term limits. there are 535 members, 300 million+ americans. the reality is when the republicans there are. neil: you have to work with the people that are there right now. they're going to remember all that stuff you said. >> and one of the first things i'm going to do is force term limits down their throats. remember when they passed obamacare they exempted themselves from it. wouldn't it be great if they apply the same rules and regulations they apply to the rest of us. this is why the republican voters are so angry at establishment. neil: aggressive give and take particularly between you and governor christie. seems he was a little shell shocked you were going after him. and part of your strategy might have been i'm going to come out the gates, guns ablazing, and his view was i don't want to engage this guy and help his poll numbers, he tried to swat

you away, ignore you, what was the end result? >> i don't blame him. reality is they did increase spending, budget went up. our budget went down. this isn't just about comparing new jersey or louisiana or chris and bobby, where do we go as a country? neil: it reminded me of professional wrestling where they're going at each other and during the break, they shake hands. >> it's not personal. i think chris is a nice guy. not about whether he's a nice guy. this is not about who's a nice guy, who's willing to go to d.c. and fight for us. neil, we've got seven governors running, none has cut spending in state capitols except for me. neil: i thought john kasich had. >> the only one that's reduced spending is bobby jindal, what we've done in the state of louisiana. others may have slowed the growth rate and done other good things in the states. we have 30,000 fewer state bureaucrats, 8 credit upgrades. top ten state for job creation. neil: how do you punch through,

governor, you are a rhodes scholar, the whole nine yards, we have seen track records whether you like or dislike him. scott walker in this fine state, jeb bush and all the problems he's having. rick perry had to drop out of the race. almost as if track records, governors, present or past, that's not cutting it. the sex appeal seems to be for the young conventional candidates, the ben carsons, the donald trumps. do you feel they have stolen all your oxygen? >> i know the rnc, the establishment they want to clear the field, limit the number of debates and who can be up there. that's a mistake. i think voters are rightfully angry, things haven't changed enough in d.c. they want an outsider. the political establishments told me we couldn't get ethics reforms or statewide school choice, defund planned parenthood or cut government spending. we did all those things in louisiana. neil: is there such a thing, governor, you have to punch

through iowa first? is it new hampshire? where? >> spend a lot of time in iowa. been at over 100 events, top five in the polls there. they vote first. our nominees always won iowa or new hampshire the last 50 years. neil: you have to win iowa. >> we are going to win iowa. neil: if you don't win iowa, are you finished? >> no, we're going to win be and the nominee. it's not just because we're spending time, there voters not only look at track record but understand i'm looking at them in the face, willing to answer the tough questions and saying i'll take on whether it's the establishment in the republican or democratic party. you've got honest socialists on one side, give bernie sanders credit, he's honest when he calls himself. but the republicans lie to us by saying one thing to get elected. another when we put them in office. choice is honest socialists or lying conservatives, voters want better than that. neil: how it was with you and chris christie when everyone wrapped up. you were really taking it to him, and he was trying to deal

with you. it looked like he was getting mad but didn't want to reveal that. >> at the end of the day, it's not personal. he's a nice man. neil: when you say i like him, he's a nice man and you rip him asunder. >> the difference is real and differences are important. neil: i guess what i'm asking you, when all is said and done, did you shake hands and walk out fine or do you say i never want to talk to you again. >> no, no, of course i shook his hand. neil: did he shake yours back? >> he did. neil: was it a firm handshake? >> these are two different philosophical approaches, this election is more than bobby jindal or chris christie, it's about the future of america. the hour's late but not too late. if we're not serious about shrinking government, everything else we talked about, tax rates and repeal obamacare, we need lower taxes, we need all of the above energy policy. if we're not serious about cutting spending, we're going towards the path of socialism,

and the rest won't matter if we're not serious about shrink the government economy and going to the american economy. neil: thank you. >> you did a great job last night. neil: thank you very much, as did you. the candidates are very busy in iowa and new hampshire today. the governor following that parade there, as the pressure builds 80 days out to iowa. the read from up north is interesting, way up north, as in canada. that country has tipped liberal now, and already seeing signs things are changing. is what's going on in the wind up there a sign of things to happen here? i would imagine governor jindal hopes not. but we'll talk to a read from canada after this.

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esblisent ndide, assuming trump and carson fight it out. maybe ted cruz and the anti-establishment. >> all the brackets. someone described this early on, smart thing to say as the ncaa brackets. neil: that was cruz. >> it is shaping up like that, establishment, cruz is tea party, you know, trump is outsider. i don't know. it's very interesting. neil: or like the southwest region. >> so now le, heough of a victo he was strong on enough issues that he won this thing. he becomes the establishment candidate. neil: doesn't he have to knock out convincingly on jeb bush in that case, he comported himself well, better than other debates or what? >> whole theory going in was jeb doesn't have to blow up, just marco has to do enough,d any enough. and they think they've achieved that and have confidence. i will say, this though, being the establishment candidate is

not what it was back in 1996 or whenever, you know? in years past, particularly '96 when bob dole was the establishment candidate. neil: and bob dole is supporting jeb bush. >> yes, this is a different republican party. neil: who was hurt, then? >> i definitely think kasich was hurt. his comment, and i and i got social media traffic when i called you dude. neil: you could have tried mr. dude, you know? it was just dude, first of all, like we like each other. >> should i have called you -- yeah. saying he wanted to bail out the bank of america on your question, i think that's death in the republican party. neil: even if it's framed in the way. you touched on this, if you don't, then you're going to leave a lot of depositors, fdic insured notwithstanding, people are going to get burned. >> that's paulson who is a bureaucrat using that. neil: if you want to hurt him, i think the fact he stopped

explaining it hurt him. >> a combination of both. he got himself into the thicket and didn't sound particularly coherent. jeb's comments on banks. neil: when he got booed, that didn't help. >> jeb bush's comments on banking didn't seem coherent. neil: he didn't think we're going to see this again, you can never, ever say never. >> i remember 2001 when the nasdaq blew up, i never thought a market would go down by 80%, okay? neil: we always know market collapses happen for different reasons. >> who knows? maybe something in europe or asia, and no offense, we have a fed pumping up the economy there. there are reasons to be worried about certain banking sectors. neil: i wonder why bush made that positive affirmation when politically, you say all the more possible given the rules and laws, it would have been if you're being a seedy capitalist politician about it, it would have been a great opening. >> you've just explained why kasich and jeb to a large

extent did not do well last night. and you basically just explained why rubio did well. he kept it 30,000 feet, more broad, more direct. i thought donald trump did actually well because he didn't get mired in the details in a lot of stuff and had good lines. the eishower thing is interesting, i checked it out. neil: he moved large numbers of people. >> a political argument that said not only that. truman did it, herbert hoover did it, this is not unprecedented in american history. neil: don't get me started on millard fillmore. >> truman is not known as an isolationist. neither is eishower, moderate guy. who knows? we're going to be talking about this for a while. i just don't think, listen if you're into this, particularly someone like me, i have been studying banks for years, if you're going to give convonuted

answers, you got to be clear. >> i am going out for a pumpkin spice latte. neil: they don't have them anymore. >> the ginger snap. my window has closed. neil: mr. gasparino makes fun of me. >> you looked great last night. i didn't realize you were that funny. neil: charlie gasparino making his final appearance on the show. [ laughter ] >> charlie touched on something i want to explore. sometime saying less yields a lot more. sometime not getting nearly the time you want yields a much bigger result. we'll explain after this.

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. >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in

military expenditures? you cannot be a conservative if you're going to keep promoting new programs you're not going to pay for. >> may i respond? >> quickly. >> we can't have an economy if we're not safe. there are radical jihadists in the middle east beheading people and crucifying christians, a radical cleric in iraq trying to get nuclear weapons. a china taking over the south china sea. i know that the world is a safer and better place when america is the strongest military power in the world. [ applause ] >> all right, from last night's debate, it's a reminder you could talk about issues like debt and deficits and spending more money than we have, and still make it riveting, and those two guys did, it was a philosophical sort of separation between those who want more military spending, and then folks like rand paul who say a $600 billion defense budget, why are we adding to that and justifying that added expense, and among other

examples that those who watch our fiscal bottom line say it's, look, we spent 43 million dollars on a gas station in afghanistan. i'm trying tong what are the candy machines like at that gas station? but i digress to. conrad black with the read from up north, north of the border as in canada. conrad black, what do you make in canada's interests we keep things safe and look after defenses, helps us, helps you, heals the world. where rand paul separated it was enough already, 600 million dollars that's at the height of iraq and afghanistan war spending. if we can't protect our security on that dime, then we're not doing something right with our dimes. marco rubio taking the opposite tack. what do you make of that? >> i think rubio won it hands down. as a young man, i remember president eishower saying at a press conference, the cost of

victory in the cold war will carry the entire country, and i certainly agree with senator paul you don't want to waste money on defense, and i agree you don't want the big deficits, he is mistaking it when he says the defense budget is the key to the deficit. the fact is defense is the best form of stimulative spending it. helps high taxes, soaks unemployment and very efficient compared to the welfare system. if you want to attack it -- >> conrad, you might be right, let's step back here, 600 billion dollars is a lot of money. we're at the height of iraq and afghanistan war spending. i'm not -- i'm not taking sides with either gentleman, i'm saying we have to throw more money at it. never pull back from defense, we should hold them to the same standards as we do any domestic program. >> that's fair. neil: but can the republican

party say more money for defense? >> you can't just write them a blank check, no one is suggesting that. but where i put this to you and to your viewers, but you can't say to the world and particularly the people of the united states, we have too big a deficit. we're going to take a chance here. slim defense down, we may be reducing our margin of national security, but we're pulling back in the world, and we don't particularly like those who you take a phrase from last night, fill the vacuum when we pull back. this is what we're going to do to cut our deficit. what do you is, first of all, number one criterion for any holder of the office which these men and women aspire is the security of the country, and you deal with that not extravagantly but adequately and focus on reducing the deficit and being fiscally responsible by welfare, entitlement reform and tampering with revenues. now i'm not in favor of raising

personal income taxes, but can you do things with some types of sales tax without strangling the economy and punishing the underprivileged. it's much more complicated than what rand paul set up. and that does not mean -- neil: you are right about that. you are coming from a -- all right, you're coming from a posture in your country, you got a new liberal government in there, trudeau wants to run things and raise taxes on i guess guys like you? >> i'm not concerned about that. he's not going to raise my taxes very much. he's not going to raise anyone's taxes. neil: he told me himself. >> i thought he did. he also went on a platform of pulling our weight in the western alliance and raising defense spending in this country. neil: do you think that -- is he different from his father? >> very much, very much. pierre trudeau, who i knew well and some ways a great leader was completely focused on

fighting the separatists in quebec, not an issue well known in the u.s. and did it successfully, defeated them. that's not an issue now, his son is a different temperament and a different era. i think he'll be fine. neil: what happened with keystone is that he had a different position, that is trudeau, than stephen harper. they want keystone done. trudeau thought that harper sort of sacrificed the u.s.-canadian relationship as a result. doesn't look like keystone is going to be done in the united states, are canadians ticked off? are they going to give the business to someone else? what? >> their stand-by plan was to put the pipeline east and west. we still import oil in eastern canada, though we have a net surplus of petroleum here, and also because there's a lot of demand to ship it out west by pipeline and tanker out to the far east. there is demand for that. we have to face the fact,

nobody knows where the oil price is going, and that the present price where our glorious saudi allies have reduced it, which is chiefly incidentally what kept putin out of ukraine and the baltic states not our feebly led western alliance, where oil is now, keystone wasn't looking all that brilliant in operation anyway. neil: you just hit on the fact that -- you're right, conrad, thank you very much, very good talking to you again. >> thank you, you were the star last night, neil. neil: very kind of you. the check is in the mail, conrad. conrad black. whether the president ruled for or against this and ultimately ruled against it, i've heard from a lot of energy suppliers, the fact of the matter is that you needed oil around $65 a barrel to justify all the expense of drilling for it, right? and the fact of the matter is it's about $20 less than that.

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. neil: are you worried your campaign, which you've always said, sir, is bigger than you, is now being hurt by you?

>> well, first of all, thank you for not asking me what i said in the tenth grade. i appreciate that. [ laughter ] >> i'll just forget that follow-up, then. [ laughter ] >> i have no problem with being vetted. what i do have a problem with is being lied about. neil: all right, that apparently brief exchange is one of the most talked about items from the debate last night. ben carson, and you know the charges that are well publicized by now that he might have embellished his record, his resume, you name it. he tried to put that to bed saying there is a double standard, scrutiny on what he said and when he said it versus the attention then-senator barack obama got from his claims and relationships with the likes of bel airs and a host of others. you know, there's been a lot of talk about this online and various social websites. jo ling kent on that, keeping track of it all. jo ling? >> that's right, neil.

ben carson, very much the largest share of the discussion on facebook, according to the data that we got in our partnership, during the two-hour debate that you moderated last night. carson take the top spot for the discussion, and closely followed by donald trump, rand paul, cruz and fiorina. so those were the ones that were most talked about. jeb bush, by the way came in dead last how he was resonating with voters on facebook. also, what about the issues? what do people care about as the debate was going on here. taxes was on top of the mind for many facebook users followed by immigration, minimum wage, jobs and job creation, and then health care and obamacare. we wanted to look a little closer, dig a little deeper to see what women were thinking, hour the candidates resonating with women? carson comes out on top in terms of the most talked about candidate, followed by trump, cruz, paul and fiorina, neil.

a lot of interesting data as the campaigns take the debate and take the data and figure out how to spend their ad dollars, super pacs will behave into the holiday season, neil? neil: all right, thank you, jo ling kent. i want to take this up with caitlin huey-burns, one of the things that interested me when i had a chance to talk to the candidates and particularly dr. carson in the so-called spin room is following up on this and the attention he's getting because of this. i want to you listen to this and get your thoughts. this is from ben carson in the spin room. neil: do you think, doctor, with all the brouhaha over the books and what you said and addressed it tonight that that's behind you or do you think there will be more scrutiny to come? >> i can control that. i can simply say people, look, coach up on the link, can i sit there and i can answer a question a day from now until the election, or we can deal

with appropriate things. if you find a real big scandal, i'll deal with that. neil: okay, he's trying to say caitlyn, nothing there, move on. is that going to work? >> i think for his supporters, it will. i think they're seeing his responses to these questions as adequate. remember, his supporters aren't running towards him because they support his -- necessarily are big fans of his policy or want to hear more policy arguments. they're big fans of his biography and that resonates from him. we saw in the earlier report, he resonates with women especially, and iowa resonating with evangelicals. the more he focuses on his biography, that is continuing to be compelling to supporters. i do, however -- >> unless it's not what it is. he says there are no lies there. there might be, you know, got little details wrong when he

met general william westmoreland whether it was in the spring or early winter that year. he can vindicate that. it's one thing to have the eyes not dotted, t's not crossed on references to meetings. quite another to make up shings wholesale, right? >> right, i don't think he's put the issue of vetting to rest. he would welcome scrutiny as long as it was fair, and i think he showed a lot of good political skill in using that question to pivot to hillary clinton, and i think some of his rivals could take note of that. but in terms of policy and in terms of his background, the scrutiny will continue. he is still a front-runner for the republican nomination, and the vetting will continue. neil: but you know, some of the stuff he has said in the books, it's very hard to prove, one way or the other, right? the incident after martin luther king was shot and on his

campus, obviously it led to violent outbursts. many african-americans protested. he had one claim where he took a bunch of white student, hid them in a lab. there's no proof from any of the students to come forward and say something, yes, this happened, but again no one has come forward to say it didn't. so if we're left at a standstill here, is no one out there to prove what he said, similarly no one to disprove what he said, what happens? >> this is a challenge, because really because ben carson has not been involved in politics or public service, he does not have, you know, a real tangible record in that regard. so what the vetting process is is focused on his biography. as you mentioned last night. he is the most trusted candidate in the field, and so he has to hold that up. so i think there will continue to be, will continue to look into his background and look for discrepancies, if there are

any, and bring those to light. he started to reveal, started in the debate last night and might see this in time to come, he is creating a track record in the republican debates, and those will be looked at. his change of mind on minimum wage. we saw last night, he tried to find some national security policy which was a little meandering. so he might have to focus in on that. his supporters are more compelled and interested in his biography. not necessarily where he stands on policy. they trust him to figure that out. neil: but again, all campaigns are about dotting the i's, crossing the t's as we say and providing details. thank you very much. >> thank you. neil: she was referring to a stand on the moirjs one of the contradictions here was early on he supported two tier minimum wage, starter wage for teenagers and the like, and a separate wage for those who

have been at fast food establishments a long time. disavowed that to say he doesn't believe in hiking it at all, this is at a time when minimum wage protesters were just outside this facility as they were across the country, arguing for more than a doubling of minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. regardless of what's in his resume or prior books, it's that shift on details that might, might, might offense his campaign. nothing in the poll numbers indicates that. stick around, you are watching fox business. more from milwaukee after this. ♪

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we didn't see him last night, he didn't appear elsewhere. jeb bush opted out. marco rubio seems to be saying look, i had another good debate. this is par for the course, i do okay in these things, surgic surgical strike and i'm out of there. gary johnson, republican presidential candidate in the past. educate me on that, governor, whether there is a method to that. if you feel you're doing well, you don't feel tempted or that it's necessary to go to a spin room to spin your performance? >> well, first off, i'd like to give a thank you. it's veterans day, and that would be a thank you starting with my dad who's 96 and paratrooped into normandy before d-day with the 101st and ended up losing a lung by getting bayonneted in the back.

and neil, you deserve the cat herding merit badge for your performance and now to your question about, hey, get in the spin room, keep talking, you know, if you did well in the debate, you're going to do well in the spin room. it's all about transparency and that's a good thing. neil: now, and congratulations to your dad and his -- i didn't know that story, and, of course, all our veterans, we remember them, especially on this day. one thing i wonder is why candidates then feel the need to go in the spin room to spin their performance. if the performance is bad, i can see, but if their performance is good, well, i guess i could see that as well. you want to keep reminding people how good you did, or is that important? >> well, you know, maybe the spin room is more about little bit about me, and i'm not talking about me specifically,

but if you're marco rubio, you might get in the spin room, and you know, give us a story, tell us something we don't know about you. it doesn't have to be a continuation of the debate, but, look, we'd like to, we'd like to understand who's running and that would be some perhaps personal things that the spin room would afford that opportunity. neil: governor, when you see the back and forth, the democrats argue among themselves, who can offer more? republicans argue among themselves who can cut taxes more. is there a middle ground here? are you it when it comes to a third way to deal with this? what do you think? >> i really do believe that, that would be the libertarian perspective. you know there isn't a candidate that doesn't say things that don't resonate with me. every single candidate, whether it's on the democratic side or the republican side says something that resonates, i

think, with everybody. it's just the combination that i have a hard time finding. look, we do need to balance the federal budget. that does mean reducing military spending and recognizing that there is an islamic terrorist threat. it's real. it needs to be dealt with, but it isn't just that. it's medicaid and it's medicare, and like i say, everybody has something that resonates. put them altogether, and i think what you end up with is a libertarian. that's my opinion. neil: all right, well, duly noted, governor, very good having you. want to thank you for that, and i apologize to the viewers at home. we had a slight tape delay with the good governor. wasn't like a pregnant pause. i want you to be aware of that. stick around, we have the fallout from wall street. stick around.

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what did you see in the double booing? >> i think that trump, the people who love trump really love him. and you know that based on twitter. he had the most twitter activity last night. neil: does that correlate into anything, i hear young people like you love twitter and all? >> i wouldn't extrapolate anything in terms of polling, based on that, but the people, there are people who don't like him and other people who don't like him really don't like him. there's a new abc-"washington post" poll, i've got data to back this up before i go into it. neil: i'm reading your notes, they look like the musings of a mad woman. >> they are. he had 69% favorable rating, trump did. 29% was the unfavorable, and compare that to 18% unfavorable for carson. so he has a lot more unfavorable. of course, jeb bush has 37% unfavorable, which spells trouble for bush. listen, trump brings his history to the table.

he doesn't have a great history with the way he has spoken to women so far in this presidential election cycle. so people read into that. i can tell you that women i know made faces when that happened. why do you go -- neil: about carly? >> why go after the only woman standing on the stage with you for interrupting when it was -- the other guys were interrupting as well. neil: that's interesting, you as a woman immediately found that offensive. >> they have hit -- not offensive. can you not control yourself? neil: he said this of rand paul, a couple of debates ago, he said what's this guy doing here? he started the debate. you as a woman cited him inciting the one woman here. >> you want me to go into, this i've had long arguments with women, he criticizes men, the same as criticizing a woman.

i don't think it is. when i walk home to my apartment, people hiss at me, make catcalls at me, a woman's experience in the world is different than a man. when you have a man on a national stage criticizing a woman, women feel differently about it. not all women but some do. neil: his support among women, say what you will, not where it could be but a lot higher than it was. >> you can read into this how you will, among men trump ranked third last night according to jo kent's reporting, women, trump ranked second. neil: wow. so you're the odd bitter duck? >> he has to be careful how he speaks to women. of course, i'm bitter, the kasich thing quickly, he acted like is that how he's going to act to a leader of a smaller country, like i run the u.s., this is the biggest nation in the world, you don't matter. i think that spoke to -- neil: i think you have issues, i think you have issues.

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neil: welcome back, everybody. we are still in the lucky, wisconsin. i had the opportunity to talk with a lot of food -- bigwigs last night. so wicked, it is scary. his insight into these things is invaluable. i should admit that sometimes there is some insight that ics on as my own. they then become my insights. good to see you. >> i am just an ocean.

>> what did you make? who one the debate among the candidates yesterday? >> there are several winners. everybody got their shot except for, excel for kasich. neil: why? he spoke too much or try to explain too much. >> a little too desperate. the look of it. >> donald trump. when he went off on the banks, on bailing out the banks and do not touch the fed -- neil: if he left it out, if you do not bail out the banks, it you leave a lot of depositors.

the fact of the matter is, he left it at that without elaborating. a long-winded explanation. we should keep in mind that if a bank is on the brake and we say no, we are saying no to all the depositors. >> it does not matter, neil. left to right. you go and talk to bernie sanders people and asked them what they think. neil: you know as well it is how it is framed. >> never use that word, though. neil: let's get to marco rubio. i understand that he does not go to spin rooms after the debate. going by the performance in the debate. we have nothing else to prove. >> he has a lot of talent for a politician.

he includes both. moving from what i think is way over ideological candidates. much less ideological and much more antiestablishment protest candidate. that movement, it is a view of the campaign. i hate antidotes. this is too good not to share. i am standing outside of our hotel this morning. a gentleman on the bike comes in sees me. he starts unloading on bush and on some extent rubio. on the congressional leadership. they do not understand we are all for trump or carson. we have had it he had i thought my god this god this is the voice of what i try to keep explaining.

looking at america and are very worried. i just keep noticing how little the mainstream press gets it. he does not need to be identified. he needs to have movement. neil: who will be the nominee? >> i don't know. i am the sweetest. pumping you with stuff all the time. you get total credit for this. you are the first person who breathes the magic words. you were the first. >> a habit of saying that a year ago. everyone laughed. except for me.

>> that means you get to cleveland. not a nominee. i do mean what i say. you were great. absolutely great. joining us right now. what do you make? also a separate issue here. that first ebay featuring chris christie. by all measures, everyone thought that he was the winner. i do not even know if that is at play here. portraying in that debate that he is the best talent. >> i think that that was the right move. kristi needed this performance. the early debate was a great move for chris christie. actually going to that stage where you have only four candidates on the stage, plenty

of time to talk which he has not been able to do yet which is be the straight talker on stage. chris christie gets to be the straight talker that everyone always thought that he was. a lot of time to convey his message. knowing directly after hillary. he can seem like a top-tier candidate. somebody who has that optimistic vision of i will make it. i will become the nominee. neil: i definitely understand what you are saying. moving your way up to the first stage. obviously carly fiorina benefited from that. can you go up to the first stage? a great question. i think that it is entirely possible. neil: i don't think you understand what i just said. >> yeah, right.

you cannot underestimate how important i think some of these candidates believed their blue state supported. it is not just national polling among republicans. itemized contributions since 1992. you get a lot of support. paying attention to this particular campaign. his view is i am the guy that can beat hillary clinton. i can do it. those states support me. i am a blue state guy. he is looking at a little bit of a different audience. he had a breakout performance in the first ebay. neil: all right. i think you are right about right. we will see what happens. one thing that is very clear about last nights debate, if you want to know the biggest differentiator, democrats generally disappointed you. more government, more programs.

more tax cuts. that was the battle battle royale. who offer the most aggressive tax cuts. simple or flat or fair taxes. a1 rate kind of fits all. interesting these guys very much. charlie, as a young guy, do young people relate to that or do they relate -- >> the message of free stuff is incredibly tempting. quite frankly, i mean, young people by broad-based support think that the tax report is rigged. they are right. the message of proportionality that doctor carson talked about. it does resonate. steve helped compose senator paul's tax plan. no crony favoritism. you are connected and you know people in washington.

>> i think grand paul's plan, against my objective sense. i talked to college campuses all the time. young people do not pay taxes. >> he is proud of not being -- right? now, does that bother you? near term, you have a point at which the revenue will suffer. that means guys like you, your generation could be -- >> right. and we have been paying for it. we brought in $3.6 trillion last year. what a concept. his whole idea that we should decentralize control from

washington. washington is corrupt. it is broken. it is not working properly. neil: here is what i do not understand. i know the answer to this. i'm not sure it is played in the liberal media. you give a rich guy a tax cut. he will have a lot more money cut left over. that is blaming the media as unfair. not helpful. >> the biggest objection that will come to all of these plans is we know that hillary clinton will say tax cuts for the rich. we will go through that for 30 years. >> there will be more. >> 70% of the budget is the top 2%. i actually think the guys guy that handled this best was ben

carson. talking about proportionality. that was easy. >> that is not very fair. the current system is up. you can make a compelling argument. they buy off politicians. what really hurt me about last night, by the way, awesome job. congratulations. this was not the case five or 10 years ago. they are all for cutting taxes. [laughter] >> it is like they are having a competition. what i got a kick out of it they are using their tax plans.

>> true. you have to go to my website to figure it out. are they overdoing it? look at the other side. 45% capital gains tax. 80% rates. neil: they will be crucial. very cynical. angry generation. you feel both parties have let you down. to capture your heart, it could be crucial. >> precisely. making a statistical argument. young people are the most independent and fluid generation. the next candidate will have to put forth a piece of policy legislation. >> a three letter word. neil: let's go back to the bs. we have a lot more coming up here. including the fallout.

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records. the overall debate itself, just want to make sure i am reading this correctly. 3.7 million. keep in mind, we are and in 11 million homes. across the board, 1.4 million. i have no idea what that means. it is a lot of people streaming. i am told that it is a huge deal. that is all you guys. interested watching something that was just about money and only about money. you obviously were interested in keeping it simple and to the point. adding moderators like myself. thank you, very, very much for that. let's take a peek. one of the early beneficiaries of last night's reviews. marco rubio. seem to be the winner.

a lot of that has to do with the fact that he is a very good debater. a florida house speaker. of course, senator was in your role. one of the things that he has argued is that experience prepared him to caulk about more than just limited experience in the senate. he has a lot of experience. is that resignation? is his debate performance resignation? >> yes. i think that that is absolutely true. he is clearly an excellent debater. supporting governor jeb push. it is not just about that. i want to thank all the veterans for their service. if i can make an analogy, everyone of us back in 1968.

we had a choice between two units. the guy who graduated number one in his classroom who is charismatic, talented and all those great things or you can be with this guy who is on his fourth to her of duty. every single american pushes through that unit. rhetoric is one thing. you have to believe that days people actually do it. too often we elect people that are great. then they get into office and they do not deliver on these results. the most courageous conservative on that platform. only a track record on those. left or right agreeing he was an accomplished governor. i do not know what is happening on these debate stages. he is getting invested in one

debate after another. he is not wowing us. is it too late to start trying? hats off to you guys. when you have that kind of substance use all in governor bush, i heard candidates deferred governor bush. it is a debate where he was able to shine. i think you'll be able to see more of that as time progresses. i think last night it was vintage jeb bush. again, to the point, rhetoric. everyone last night talked about how we are against obamacare. you have to appeal obamacare. the biggest part of obamacare was the expansion package. that was being fought out in all 50 states. florida included.

only one guy said he was against obamacare. actually taking the time to travel to his state. all of us saying whatever you do, do not expand medicaid. there has to be a nexus. neil: it you have to get that message across. thank you very, very much. we will have a lot more after this. various plans and the like. stick around. ♪

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this one, of course, the front at the "wall street journal." we should stress that there are a lot of people going back and forth as to which of these candidates may be compelled to drop out here. there are no indications that the former ross perot campaign manager and how that plays out. no one leaves immediately. >> it does not mean a whole lot right now. the reason to do it. somebody that is leading within the republican party for the nomination and a raw deal. they can always opt to go independent. the day after the texas primary.

all 50 state ballots. neil: let's say it is bernie sanders. you feel that you are getting passed over. the same guidelines apply. how realistic with a third-party challenge on the part of anybody be in this environment? >> they are the antiestablishment candidates. they are representing america within the republican party. they are getting a groundswell of support. the republican establishment trying to block them out. pursuing the actual nomination. the public would respond to them. if they are not the nominee, if you wind up looking like you will have establishment candidates, i can see antiestablishment candidates

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neil: all right. i want to go to trent lott, former senate majority leader, get his take on the debate here. senator, as you're hearing there is a division among these guys who has the right prescription to turn it around and but they do seem to be in agreement tax cuts are the way to get there. the only difference the size of those cuts. do you worry as a guy that had to score budget deals and reach a bipartisan divide they could wreck the budget? there is such a thing as overdoing these cuts? >> sure. let me just say i thought the real winner was fox news business network and "wall street journal" and frankly milwaukee. the theater venue was the best that i have seen in these previous three debates. i thought everything went well. and we talked about substance better than usual.

not only budget and taxes but immigration, defense and foreign policy. on taxes you're right. if you just cut taxes willy-nilly you could wind up creating even more deficits. and budgets and deficits do still matter, but if you cut taxes smartly and the right way, they do encourage economic growth and will actually help reduce the deficit. that's what is did in the '90s. we cut taxes, balanced budget and had a surplus. neil: thank you for your kind words on the debate but i do want to ask, senator, one of the interesting things, rand paul's comments, hell no, i'm not neutral to the tax plan. i want to choke funding to the government. that might be nominal goal to reduce the government. he does it quickly, dramatically and some argue dangerously. depending how they are scored they rob revenue initially from uncle sam. does that worry you?

>> it does worry me. rand paul is who he is. he appears to be isolationist on foreign policy and defense and his proposals on taxes in my opinion go too far. i don't think it is responsible thing to do. i never saw a tax i didn't want to reduce or cut. you have to pay attention in terms of what you're doing in terms of economic growth for the country. that is the thing we're really missing here today. neil: are you surprised jeb bush is having a lot of trouble? >> i really am. you know, i haven't been around the former governor that much. i thought he would be a lot more dynamic and a lot more on top of his game than he has been. i don't quite understand why he has not been but you know, he's not done that well. i think everybody would have to admit that. neil: yeah. you're right. senator, thank you very, very much. on this very busy news day. we appreciate you taking the time. >> glad to be with you. thank you very much, neil. neil: all right. trent lott. carl icahn was watching things. he has been big on someone

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♪ ♪ neil: we're getting some news into us concerning apple. ceo committed to staying in ireland, beefing up operations. they plan to hire 1,000 folks, regardless of an e.u. ruling, european union ruling companies like apple are taking advantage of especially low tax rate there that other european community members really don't like. there is no special deal according to apple in ireland. they would support, apple, irish government appealing this adverse ruling, upcoming eu investigations. so, what you are finding with a lot of companies are doing, they

set up operations, or part of their operations in countries like ireland where they have a very, very low tax rate, depending on the rate or company. 12 to 14%, much lower than the top corporate tax rate in this country, about 35%. now set up shop there. whether all the earnings are screened through that lower rate is a debatable issue. even european countries saying those rates in ireland are prohibitively low and give irish unfair advantage. carl icahn on the phone with us right now. carl, before we get to the debate of this dust-up, because it came up last night in the debate, whether some companies trying to get unfair advantage. what do you think of that? >> you know, neil, you know, i respect you a lot but i honestly watched the debate last night and i really think you missed the point in talking to donald about this. it is a shame. it is really a travesty what is going on because, we missed the

whole point on this taxation stuff. if you are making wigits in europe, and you're selling wigits in europe, why the hell do we have a right to tax you for that? so, i'd like to answer that. so you were critical of donald last night saying well, you know, you say to donald, how come that you fight these big businessmen but how come you want to site these inversions? these inversions are terrible for this country? you just have pfizer saying they're going to leave. many other companies geared up to leave. by the way, the people that are pushing them to leave are the very people that you and a lot, and even i, talk against these guys in .1 of a 1% make a big fortune in company leaves. like pfizer just announced it.

you can't blame shareholder. buff by did it with burger king. neil: by the way i should clarify one thing, carl. i did not specifically get into inversions, nor would i be opposed to inversions per se. what i got to him was, whether he was consistent on wanting to punish companies like ford, wanted to move operations to mexico. no, no. i apples and oranges. i take no offense to that, believe me. he is consistent on that by wanting to recognize inversion thing at the same time punishing companies like ford that try to ship jobs to mexico? that he found offensive. can you say both things? >> look it, neil, i'm not here to argue with you but i want to make the point. neil: i know what you're saying. >> it is sort of bothers me, a guy like you really understands this stuff, you guys should be zeroing in on the problem we have today. we have a major, major problem that exists today, i know this, i live it.

this is my area of expertise. i've been on the phone with washington. by the way everyone i talk to in washington agrees, agrees with me, yet nothing is done. here's what's happening. you sit there and i'm reading what you said i wrote it down, i knew you would call me to come on. some of the you guys, you all but call pirates. they still keep the loot and only pay a price to bring it back. that is not really what is going on, even this irish thing, that you're talking about, you can't expect companies, companies aren't patriots. companies don't have principles. companies make money. that is what a company does. this is capitalistic system the like i it or you don't like it but that is the not issue. this company makes the money and will make the most money it can make. it is not doing anything wrong but we expect them to pay the double tax. we're sitting here saying you're bad guys because you're domiciled in this country and

you're pfizer and you make money over there. you should pay a double tax. pay the tax in that country even though we're not doing anything for but also pay a tax here and the left-wing democrats don't understand this. they say, oh, we should punish them. neil: but, carl, i think we're talking past each other. i think the way to avoid this problem is dramatically cut taxes here so you don't have countries seeking much lower tax havens abroad. >> neil, let me explain to you one thing. neil: go ahead. >> where i think we're missing a major point. there is no way, and i think it is a red herring to say, let's have comprehensive tax reform now because you're never going to get it, with this divided dysfunctional congress, you're never getting comprehensive tax reform at this time but what you could do, and what almost passed, was actually set up, actually framework for a bill that could easily go through now

is a bill set up by senator portman, senator schummer in the senate and actually, paul ryan is behind it, yet you have all this intrigue and political misunderstanding, all you have to do is say to these guys, i'm not giving you a one holiday. i am going to tax you on the money you made abroad. talking to all these companies, like apple, cisco, talking nike, talking qualcomm. these companies will leave this country. what are you going to say to them, hey, we charge you 8%. by the way there are $2.6 trillion that would come back, some or most of it would come back, and we would get 200 billion for the highway bill. that is money nobody can find and even today, they passed the highway bill in couple weeks there is really not enough money for it, to maybe last a couple years. look at our highways. get extra 200 billion, everybody agrees. you are really, we'll get everybody for it.

why the leadership doesn't go to push there this through is beyond me. that's why i'm sets up pac. somebody should be held accountable. stupid not to do it. it is really simple. we'll not get comprehensive tax reform you're talking about. would love to, never will happen. you have the small business group, maybe rightly so, i'm not taking sides here, you know what? we don't want to give big business anymore breaks. we get flow-through, they don't. that is how we compete. this is very difficult, arcane issue but you can get kind of thing i'm talking about and nobody understands that difference, neil. and that's what donald was saying last night but maybe you didn't articulate to your liking but that's really what, and by the way, no one on that stage sort of, i don't think zeros or understands it. you could have $2.6 trillion coming over here or part of it, which would be a huge shot in the arm for this country. and yet, i don't know why we

don't do it. neil: i think we were talking past each other, my point is consistency on issue. >> no, i don't think -- look it, you could argue with doned on a lot things but he has not been consistent on that. maybe he hasn't articulated well enough but what he is saying is, that hey, let's pass a bill and get this money back here. and that's what he is saying. now you're arguing, hey, what about some of these big businesses don't we want to do some other stuff to them? yeah, you do. that's my whole point. i'm not saying, most, there is nobody that really has focused on or understands it so i'm not arguing with you but i am saying that should be understood. neil: fair enough. fair enough. >> okay. neil: carl, thank you very much. i do want to get you back, step back and give this proper examination it deserves. but thank you in the meantime. all right, the fallout from this, we were talking about small business.

small business owner what he makes of all of that after this. is that you can create wealth through capital appreciation, and this has been denied to many south africans for generations. this is an opportunity to right that wrong. the idea was to bring capital into the affordable housing space in south africa, with a fund that offers families of modest income safe and good accommodation. citi got involved very early on and showed an enormous commitment. and that gave other investors confidence. citi's really unique, because they bring deep understanding of what's happening in africa. i really believe we only live once, and so you need to take an idea that you have and go for it. you have the opportunity to say, "i've been part of the creation of over 27,000 units of housing," and to replicate this across the entire african continent.

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like aarp medicarecomplete. let's get you on the right path. call unitedhealthcare today. ♪ neil: you thought it would be good time to talk to small business owner, one in this local area and fortunes tied to the economy and how it is doing. michael is that guy, a small business owner here in the wisconsin area. he had interesting things talked to me about the break and who impresses and who doesn't. who does? >> i really like ted cruz or ben carson. i could really take either one of those gentlemen. ted cruz has proven himself to be constitutional conservative. i think he respects the constitution and boundaries the constitution puts on the federal government. i don't see that in other candidates.

neil: particularly you had problems i think you mentioned with john kasich and even jeb bush. why? >> john kasich i thought should have been yanked off the stage with a hook. that is how he affected me. neil: why? what was it he said? you think is big government. >> endless talk, endless talk. i did this, i did that. neil: they all do that. >> i know. i know. ben carson doesn't do that. neil: you're not worried all the stuff coming out on ben carson, maybe he exaggerated things? maybe he put it to bed now? >> i like him because i think he is virtuous man. he is obviously a smart guy. he is not a politician. he comes from outside. neil: small business owner you're interested in what? help your fortunes and help the economy? >> i don't want government to do anything for me. i want government to get out of the way. and, get back within the bounds of the constitution.

i'm not here looking for anything. just leave me alone. let us produce our product, and don't regulate to us death. you know, we have so much money that we spend now just to meet the requirements of regulation and obamacare being one that is hot right now. and, we don't have anybody that can study that. it's a small company. we work with our accountants. we work with -- neil: as much regulations as it is taxes for you. >> oh, it is. and we talk about the high corporate tax rate in this country. keep in mind that small business, are the job producers in this country. not the big businesses. neil: right. >> the big businesses are moving to ireland. neil: like carl said. >> in your previous discussion. small businesses don't have the option. we're here. most of us pay taxes at the personal level. in our case we're subchapter-s corporation.

the money we make is taxable at personal level, plus 39 1/2% plus by the time we're done it is 50% of our income. neil: wow. michael frederick, thank you very much. we thought we would get perspective from a guy in the trenches dealing with these is goo. stick around.

neil: occurs to me some of you might have missed this great thing we're tall talking about, fbn debate. for those who have, take a peek at this. ♪ neil: inside the milwaukee theater, welcome to the republican presidential debate here on the fox business network. ♪ >> if a candidate goes over their allotted time you will

hear this. [bell ringing] >> they're out of -- neil: sounds like a game show but it's not. anyway. one of the big economic concerns in the country are taxes. >> taxes. >> taxes. >> tax cuts. >> taxes. >> reform the tax code. >> tax reform. >> federal income tax. >> tax code. >> tax rate,. >> taxes. >> this debate very much capturing the discussion on facebook. you see taxes at the very top. neil: we are in what they call the spin room where candidates like to spin or sometimes just state their case. here is what means everything to us. we kept it to business. you allowed some of the others to mix it up and get nasty with each other and you held off. i was watching you very closely. it was like you would not engage in that. >> rand is committed isolationist. i'm not. i believe the world is stronger and better place. >> not mom-and-pop. not, what you just said --

>> didn't say that. >> step in and bail out banks. >> i don't have to hear from him, believe me. i'm becoming very diplomatic right? you're teaching me that. i'm trying to be like you. neil: we're getting ton of emails. you did a great job on debate but maria bartiromo is so much prettier than you are. really? is that the level debate we're at here? >> midway through the debate i told all three of you i thought you were doing a terrific job. neil: thanks very much. >> because the content was substantive. the questions were not softballs. you questioned candidates but it was based on substance and policy and record. it wasn't condescending and nasty and personal. neil: how do you i you survived tonight? >> i had a great time. we had three talented people asking questions. somebody asked me. how was it? i said it was very elegant. >> candidates were happy with you guys. >> you did a fantastic job. all the moderators is. >> you were terrific. you threw the ball up.

you let candidates jump for it. >> it was new gold standard what is debate is supposed to be about. neil: you're watching fox business where we mean business, we really do. ♪ all right, i hope you realize that's what we wanted to do. we wanted to keep it simple. i keep telling you not about red or blue. we're focused on green and your money. doesn't this next lady know it, trish regan along with sand disa smith got you into the whole debate process and issues near and dear to us. trish, you captured it nicely, by saying we like this, love to embrace what we're all about, money. it is in our dna, nothing more, nothing less. let the debate prove that and let the candidates prove that and take ourselves out of that. it is done. trish: yeah. hey, it is not that hard, right? if you ask good questions based

on substantive things, you hopefully will get real answers. i mean we're doing that on behalf of the american public there, asking the questions that they need answers to, neil. terrific job from you guys last night. it was an honor for me to be on that stage last night. we had real substance. we got real answers, everyone. welcome to "the intelligence report." i am trish regan. we have a lot to cover next hour. fox business debate delivering substantive information voters were demanding from day one. here are a few highlights for candidates last night. >> everyone will get lower rates, keep more of their own money, be able to file their tax returns in 15 minutes. by the way good thing, i will be able to fire a whole bunch of irs agents once we do that. >> we can't have an economy if we're not safe. there are radical jihadists in the middle east beheading people and crucifying christians. >> we must take our government back. >> by having congressional oversight of the fed which is historically an independent body