that level of outrage, i don't know where their ends up, do we just -- is there going to be a christmas war. >> i think because of starbucks thing, went 5 years, christmas will be illegal, that is my guess. lou: you are raising my level -- >> that is what i'm here for. >> lou: we'll see, and prospect of going to war over the season peace would be quite i think we would call that ironic, turn to, debate, i think you have to be as excited as nearly every else in america. >> yeah! lou: it was great. >> it was, it was a meat and potatoes debate, it left me full, i was satiated, i learned a lot, i think there was a winner of the debate, that was lou dobbs. >> okay. dobbs. thank you.

>> i have one question for you. i watched you last night,. lou: here is comes. >> i noticed that every time you say cavuto you pronouncessed it cavuto, i was wondering why. lou: i did not know that. >> have we been saying it wrong. lou: how should i say it. >> i don't know. lou: i'm going to say neil, he did a great job. >> he did. lou: maria and gerald baker, getting excited about the free trade thing. i want to turn to the if i may, trump, how strongly do you think trump performed. i know you love him. >> i just, i he was -- it does not matter how trump did, or how ben carson did, either

that either one did particularly well. i am also guessing they will go up in the polls. lou: that is stuff that bothers you. >> among a lot of other things. lou: who do you think is the winner. >> i love me in marco rubio. but i have to say, ted cruz is now on my radar. lou: woe. >> i never got it before, i never got the cruz thing, but he had a strong night, even though he you know mentioned that department of commerce twice in one of his points. i'll forgive him for, that he recovered. i liked a lot of what he said. lou: you know, i am sorry. >> no, yeah, no, i was going to say i thought cruz did a good job. he generally, i don't agree with him on a lot but he did a good job. lou: and rand paul, i thought he had a good night. >> easily the best, but it is too late, john kasich lead the

night where i wanted to say oh, my god shut up on to my tv. >> followed by jindal in the first debate. lou: i don't know what got into kasich, interrupting but he was getting air time. there are a lot of subjects we should get to, i want to leave with just this, do you think that the format will induring? -- endure? the other networks will follow the lead of the fox business network and stick to issues and substance? and focus or is that outrageous? >> i hope so, as a viewer, i learned most, as someone who does not know a lot about the economy, i 11 a lot, the candidates differentiated themselves in this debate. >> i thought they did a great job, there was a lot of

journalists on twitter complaining, i thought they did a great job of laying back when the candidates were going at it with each other. and a lot of the -- i saw journalist complaint they lost control, it -- we want to hear what the candidates have to say, unlike last debate on the other network, whose name i can't remember, they got that, when the guys were going at it, and it was interesting, they let it g that was fantastic. lou: i think something not so compelling about a moderator pointing their finger at a candidate, saying, when did you -- >> you always' to do open palm. lou: happiness, that is what it's about, andy and joanne. >> thank you, lou. lou: appreciate it. >> we have a lot more to cover tonight, among stories that we're following republican

presidential candidate, are out on the campaign trail tonight after last night's debate. they focused on the issues, they did. they say, it was refreshing to layout their thoughts, on the steaj stage and their policy ideas. >> they all said, we have some stories that it was my best, i don't know if it was. but i had a great time we had three very talented people up there asking questions, someone asked me how was it, i said it was elegant. >> i thought it was excellent, it was about the candidates. i hope that sets a new standard. lou: we'll find out, a lot more about the debate, and the candidates, my guest include fox news political analyst, ed rollins also, hillary clinton dismissing veterans affair scandal last month saying it was not as widespread as made out to be by the national

media, but the scandal very much in the news, and growing, new revelations of million of will d dollars of bonuses made out by v.a. after the former v.a. secretary resign last year, and suspended some of the bonuses. we'll have a full report for you. >> and republicans going after the president's weak foreign policy. >> building those artificial islands this south china sea, and the president won't -- up until recently would not sail a ship within 2 miles or fly a plane over it i am flying air fierce one over those islands, they will know we mean business. >> we'll take up china, iran, russia and all foreign policy challenges, we'll talk with defense democracy john hanna, and president obama, marking veteran's debut saying he is still not satisfied by program of the v.a., they are now embroiled in a new scandal, with millions of dollars out

in performance bonuses and portfolio performance not near satisfactory. >> 18 months after the scandal involving falsified wait times, and patient deaths first surfaced, v.a. has not fired a single employee, department wide only 3 have been fire, as chief maintains the v.a. is improving. >> our average wait times are down to 5 days for specialty care, 4 days for primary, and 3 for mental healthcare. we still have opportunities. >> reporter: his critics maintain high misunderstands the problem. >> bob mcdonald say a lot of the right things but since day one he has become an archeologist for the v.a. >> >> mismanagement still proliferate, last week they allege to have profited from the relocation benefit program, refused to testify in

a senate hearing, there was news last week that v.a. has halted benefits to living benefits after wrongly declaring they were dead, and construct program, comes in hundreds of millions of dollars over budget, it is year a behind schedule, by. >> criticized with hillary clinton accusing republicans wanto pvati it. thais aetral. i notoingo leit haen. >>eporr: tt acsati th awiftebukfrom natomcca whoallei it -- inaccuracies and offensive. >> to plan that hillary clinton a camp has been pointing to is a brant that my group, published and gives veteran a choice, either use the v.a. or go outside and seek private care. >> reporter: secretary mcdonald claims that v.a. is principld dodge and best

clintonnal -- firing bad employees, without appeals and atrations. lou: >> doug. turning to last night's republican debate, here is help break own the winners, losers what is next are in candidates, we're joined by former reagan white house littapolitical director ed rollins. >> nice job last night. lou: it was -- i thought that candidates and moderators did terrific, it was a great debate, your sense of who won? >> i think 4 people winning with a chance of nominee, trump, carson, rubio and cruz. i think all 4 of them reenter their base. i think that rubeo and cruz had except0tional nights, i think that carson is a nice

man that base will stay with him for a while, at the end of the day until you lose some of that vote off of the top, i thought that people who argued substance, always two kind, there is emotional and intellectual argument, trump made the emotional argument to the wall and immigration, and kasich and those guys tried to use the intellectual argument and they lost issue lost badly. lou: trump introduced to a number of people on that stage idea that en masse the united states has moved large numbers of its illegal immigrants in 1954 under eisenhower. i like ike. >> it is important to know the facts, i know the facts, i was involved. that particular time, was a different group of immigrants here, they were agricultural

workers, almost all men in the san joaquin valley of california across texas and arizona. lou: 1954? >> i know what you are talking about. mexican government wanted them back, it was not eisenhower who wanted to throw home out, mexican government demanded they come back, they were workers, today have you 10 or 11 34eu8io million throughout country who are doing different things, owning homes, working in restaurants issue these were mainly agricultural workers, it was a joint effort, there were few people, we took them to border, turned them over to the mexicans and mexicans disbursed them, some came back. lou: and rest of fact, 1.3 million were moved across the border at order of president of the united states, in cooperation with mexico. which is what trump is calling

for is cooperation with mexico . and idea you can't make a move like that with a large number of people, is the everybody morkal argument is earnin emotional argument is say you can't. right? >> but, i just think it is important that deal with circumstances and you know not just 1952 or all single men, it is not agricultural workers, the hispanic community, are very entrenched, it is a much tougher challenge. lou: it all is a tougher challenge, if anything is being discussed by these candidates is a tougher challenge, i thought it was interesting that issue of a bank fail. as we discussed. there is an outcry, what are you going to do? let a bank fail, what is what we have to develop is a national consensus around this. >> i am all for getting fewer people on the stage, getting

serious debates about these serious issues, including immigration, and what have you, you have 18% of budget, rest is mandatory, you cannot say i'm not paying welfare, social security. lou: what is the number, it is 26% of budget right now is discretion mary. discretionary. >> right. lou: we have a possibility with rising interest rates we'll see the interest on debt rise on a greater sum than we spend on defense. imagine that. >> they need to be discussed, i would hope in course of the campaign be these candidates would not have a lot of mork -- emotion but you have to have intellectual arguments too. lou: i think so. >> if first debate, it was a first rate debate, a couple fewer people on the main stage

we could do the same thing. lou: ed rollins all about reducing the number of candidates. >> absolutely. >> you got it, good to see you, my pleasure. lou: up next, pop you limp on -- popularrism on the rise, and senator cruz, high marks from voters for his position on this economic issue, we take it up with moody's john

lou: one of the most heated moments from last night's debate, when john kasich and ted cruz sparred over bank bailouts. >> would you let the banks shut down, my argument is going forward, banks have to reserve capital so people who own the capital start pressuring the banks to not take the risky approach, but at the end of the day. >> you -- what would you do if the bank was failing. >> i tell you, what i would not let people who put their money in there go down.

lou: joining us now to make some sense of this. moody's capital market chief economist john lonski, my guess, not a lot of people at home had a burning desire to get a resolution. i did. and i wanted to turn to you, saying what in the world was kasich talking about? making a decision about who loses money. as he does not know how a bank works. >> what happened in 2008, is too many banks, with inadequate capitallinization, not just reserves to absorb the losses, and so they had to go -- lou: owned by the bank. >> the capital also can take form of subordinated debt that canning a bondholder of. and -- lou: bondholders. >> yes. >> i guess here, we hope not,

with tighten regulation that banks have so much capital, so many reserves now. lou: compared to 2006. >> they should be able to absorb larger losses without the government for support. lou: i think that kasich has a point here, why not raise it higher. the banks are squealing about it. and there should not be exposure by the taxpayer to the banks, and the idea that a bank failing you know there is a lot of discussiont about, what would let bank of america fail? who would let chase manhattan? the fact is, if we don't learn anything from 2008, it is that we have to have an intelligence response to a crisis beforehand not after as the crisis as unfolding. >> right, the shareholders are not happy with increase capitalization, they demand that banks shrink in size.

lou: this is a regulated industry issue if we're going to regulate them, then you regulate them, you make a determination about what is -- >> i regulated stray, going way of public utilities, and so you probably will get a same return on equity you get with public utim. lou: to be clear, went this -- there is no discussion of this, what is it 6 commercial banks, in this country, have what percentage of assets? >> a high percentage. lou: about -- >> it is getting worse, tightened financial regulation, a lot of the smaller banks can not afford -- lou: what this should candidates be thinking about? we're watching how many companies control broadcasting, how much companies control automobiles in this country. we are creating oligopoly in almost every sector ofure our economy, concentration is

stifling in my opinion, innovation, and competition, all these people use competition, global competition a way to explai size of business they don't give a damn they are squashing smaller businesses. >> that inviting new entrance into a industry overtime, it invites new technology, that could under cut the existing status quo. so, you know, one time in 1960s, u.s. auto industry, they wanted to break up the auto industry, but what happened? in 1970s, japanese showed up. >> lay be straight, what we're talking about, under this administration is a continued closing and concentration of industry after industry, sector after sector, and if theodore roosevelt were alive

today he would have to raise a flag of surrender looking at what he would have to unwind. >> bring back the trust busters, see what happens. >> do you think we should come -- you know. >> case by case basis, about ahead and look at it. lou: case by case basis, i want a blank -- i have to go, i'm kidding you. i was going to say we have to have a blanket policy, john lonski. >> same here. lou: up next new york goes after draftkings and fanduel, is this the end of fantasy sports? some of the best attorney business are here. what is going on here? tell me there is no ga gambling, tell me it isn't so.

lou: new york state attorney general ordered two biggest fantasy sport companies to stand taking bets from new york resident saying that draftking and fanduel are leaders of a scheme, to invade the law and fleece sport fans, a fanduel attorney claims that is is flawed they plan to appeal, 21st century fox is an investor in draf in -- draftkings, joining me now two attorneys. rebecca rose, lis wiehl, how big a deal is this in it seems huge. and threaten to investment of a lot of people in the two companies. >> a very big deal, tapper genera attorney general of in in said these are not games of skill, that would be exempted.

he said this a gay of chance, gambling, no gambling in my state through the internet or not, so, you are out fanduel and draft kings, you are out of business, other attorney general across other states may join in that, legal analysis, fanduel, and draftking say they are going to appeal. >> problem is that feds have said, that there is a carve out for fantasy sports games, the feds will go right into bumping right into bumper cars with the states on this one, they have said -- >> who gave these folks a carve out? >> the feds did. lou: i am saying who lobbied the feds for the carve out. >> that is -- i don't know that. but are probably right. >> 2006. >> right. >> newerri -- now, eric snide

irman said. >> the internet is a natural exploitive market for gambling, it -- i mean i never thought people would sit there and say i'm gambling money over a medium i can't control what is happening. >> people love this stuff. lou: john malone is right, people love this stuff. >> on-line poker games all that. making so much money, you would think that people would want to gamble in vegas, but no, there there is very big money in this. >> i think to be made this is more of skill, because -- if you gave he this whole thing i would have no idea who to pick, i would be out of it, but if you really know what you are doing, you pick the players -- lou: that seems like a bizarre thing to say. >> thank you. lou: no one has walked up to a slot machine, and put in a quart or dal o dollar. >> that is chance.

loubut gambling? >> that is the distinguis distinction they have to make. >> a game of chant or a game of skill, attorney general of new york wants to be to be skill, issue is. whether is is gambling, in this case new york chose no. what is likelihood that we'll see this grow as a opposition. >> absolutely, huge, huge. -- every state will go through this they want the money from this. >> right. >> they want money or they want to derive some sort of revenue from it. lou: president as you know enjoyment from district court, two to one now possibly supreme court intervene, president has been hoisted on

his own -- his own words were use by appellate court to say, you are out of your mind. >> i don't think that this is going to be decided, i think this is pretty much dead, there are a couple things supreme court could say, obama you are wrong. or not or send it back to texas. that would never go before his administration is over. >> that is it the delay here, in this circuit court opinion has enabled this. >> it's over. lou: illegal immigrants to departing a is over issue they would be subject to deportation. >> or to next president's decision. lou: they be deported? >> depends on the next president. lou: they will be in limbo until then. >> yes. lou: you need to get this legal system straight.

>> we'll do it. lou: this is nonsens nonsense call this is important. >> it is important. lou: someone needs to get real. thank you. >> thank you. lou: lis wiehl, rebecca rose woodland. >> up next new evidence on what happened to that russian plane over sky in sinai. >> and president obama said there are no problem with the nuclear deal with iran? we'll find out issue defense of democracy's john hanna with answers here next.

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airport insider, state to us all of it aeriv terrorist incident. >> i think it confirms where all this evidence over last several days seems to be points us fors lou. british have out right said it, than u.s. sources now saying it an inside job on the back-end of the airport, commit by isis or isis affiliates in egypt. egypt. >> earningegypt. lou: explain th. >> of this government, this is very particular to me. >> i don't know all of the ins and outs, the egyptians have been very reluctance to come

to this conclusion, this could be devastating to the egyptian economy. important thing is that is the obama administration doing what needs to be done now to our own airports security. and the security of airports overseas, where american are traveling through to keep our citizens safe. lou: iran now word that iran is no longer dismantling its sen centrifuges, and president is his folk saying get ready, what is the truth? >> i can't imagine anybody as surprised by that, iran is cheating, balking on its commitment, attempting to renegotiate, get ready this is future for next several years, they will cheat issue they will push envelope, and test

us every step of the way, only saving grace that is $150 million in frozen assets has not been given uppity, only imagine what is going to happen 1 that gone. all of america's economy leverage goes away, think about what kind of iranian shenanigans will go on then. lou: and this administration in direct negotiations with the iran a iranian government, overseeing it all, surely this is not going down in history as one of the great stupid tie because they fail to understand there has to be performance if a negotiation is to go forward. surely they are not that dumb? are they? >> one can only hope, but this is the president's foreign policy legacy issue he is now so invested in this deal, it

literally cannot fail for him. so, whether or not the iran ans are cheating issue the great fear is that this president continues to push, push ahead, surrender our economy leverage, and simply hope for the best, it will be left to his successor. to try and mitigate the huge risk this deal now poses to the united states and all of our allies in the middle east. lou: as this is happening, china is unfold, and russia in crimea. this is not going in the right directtion at all for this the administration or the west, john hanna thank you. >> and giving us some guidance on these unfolding developments. >> thank you, lou. lou: vote on our poll, question is, did any candidates performance change your mind about who you would consider voting for as a

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lou: another big night here on fox business network, with second season of "strange inheritance" premiering immediately after our broadcast here tonight, let's look at the show's second season. >> my dad got an old beat up car and crush it with a tank. >> you could see he labors. >> he had a very har hard time even writing an individual letter. >> he did.

>> how do you distinguish the signature we look at and the real deal. >> we look at the signature itself. okay? what is fascinating, 1911, 1920, 9 years later, look how he comes up to the e . >> we're seeing the same thing. >> a street line. >> 1911 to 1920, you look, it is the same thing. lou: "strange inheritance" premiering as second season tonight, about 13 minutes away, now joining us, the executive producer of "strange inheritance" jonathan towers, i love the idea, i might want to try to buy a tank. that looks like fun. tell us about that inheritance in a great one, that is the jacques little field collect, it is one of our episode

tonight, this is like many of our stories, a family, siblings whose father died, and they inherited the largest collection of armor vehicles in the world. what do you do? know like all of the families, in our series, and something we can relate to, everyone goes through something, where a love one dies, and we can relate to the strong feelings that people have about the things they left behind. not always 240 armored vehicles but it is something, that is part of the why show is so relate able. lou: that sounds like it would also be worth a lot of money, i am assuming so. >> yes. lou: this new season, where do you take us? first season was a blowout success. highest rated show in fox business network's prim primetime ever, tell us where we're headed. >> we take you over the

country and tthe cun england you learn about a man who inherited winston churchill's dentures, we take you to a gold mine, to a man who died who collected all kinds of nasa artifacts, then left his widow what to do turns out that one of them was a very rare camera that had gone into outer space. so he o each episode takes you on a journey into its strange and inheritance and all over. lou: jonathan sounds like fun. i know it is going to be terrific. the churchill denture, i am uncertain about that, but memorable, jonathan towers thank you. >> thank you. lou: the new season of "strange inheritance" premiers

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lou: all right, i told you we would have secret service code names for two leading gop candidate, donald trump's code name, this one works well. mogul. dr. ben carson's code name, eli, they requested protect in mid october, secret service granting their request last week, eli, a reference to a nickname are in student stupe -- for students at yale, and mogul, selfes explainer to. >> mark samone. >> jeb bush's code name, he is so dull, his code name is jeb bush. lou: we're just beginning.

radio talk show hosts, joining us. you are -- i consider you great pals, and great talents, this is super to have you here. mark let's start with the debate. you are not holding back who won? >> well, fox business, if you are over there at cnbc, that is how you do a debate, not just question the moderators, the production, over their they did not have producing talent or infrastructure to get it done right, that was a masterful debate, donald trump is number one. i think carly fiorina had a rough time, i did not get her answer about putin, why we would refuse to talk to him. i do not know what that would do. lou: jim? >> i thought that rubio and cruz were the best debaters, which they have been, i thought jeb bush again failed

to show he is a chip off the old block, and rand paul shows he is a chip off the old blockhead his father ron, why can't we just get along with the taliban, they were two of the losers. >> jeb bush had a great night, that is his best performance and he still could not win, he made it clear he does not win debates, if you are nominee you have to win debates. lou: a strange dynamic going on. that is you watch trump and carson move into this sort of stars orbiting the same path. the same had been true i think with rubio and cruz, and now, it is really seems to me rubio and bush, they fight it out, and cruz move over to one side by himself. and rand paul doing the same. do you see that dynamic at work here, mark in. >> yes, i think that -- you

see rubio with a great night, great canna answers, they seemed a little too practiced. lou: i don't think he had anything to say about illegal immigration, he sort of step away. >> yeah, that was a problem with that weak stance that is going to kill him in new hampshire, it killed him in iowa. rand fall is great at come back, at the act particular -- the counter punch, i don't think that makes hem a leader. lou: jim? >> yes, i thought rand paul had a good point in terms of the situation with donald trump. talking about tpp and noted that china is not a part of that trade deal. so, paul had his moment but he still supporting a situation that i don't think flies in a republican primary, that is not too big on national defense and security. >> you know trump had a

points, not in tpp a deal that would gather power to blunt china but it could help china in the end. carly fiorina, she said i didn't mean putin in a green room, i did research that is where she met him, it of a live speech, she spent 45 minutes in a green room with him. >> she admitted on a previous tv show. lou: interesting to see, the candidates reveal themselves. now, i may have -- whether you agree. i believe that these candidates are looking stronger to mo as a group -- to me as a group, there are strengths and weaknesses for each. and one candidate may be stronger one week and another the other week, overall this group of candidates, have to tell you, i think that republican party has putting it a diverse field, a strong field that is getting stronger every month.

>> this is an incredible bench, look at fight to get 16 too 14 to 12. look at democrats debate,. >> the other 3 guys had to keep announcing who they were. >> what do you think of field. >> so much diversity, have you a woman, you have a couple of ceos, you have people in politics, out of politics, two hispanics, you and look at parade of old people, on the democratic side, and i would be talking about diversity if i were a democrat right now. lou: it will be a fascinatin challenge over there, mark and jim, great to see you. >> thank you. lou: in our on lea line poll, 82% of you said you were excited to watch republican candidates debate weather plans, and that debate great,

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