shameful to say adobe's. we did more governors to just say no. you have 21. good night from new york. kennedy: it is a new we. the tragedy of paris was in just a wake-up call it had been suffering from insomnia since the train massacre this summer as a reminder that the terror is years and what should we do now? to what roundup every jihadist on the planet drop in the whole with an arsenal of nuclear weapons on their head. but to eradicate the red

deer bags without civilian casualties' but now we know unfortunately we cannot get them all at one place at one time. stop pussyfooting around to call the monster's islamic radicals. they're not disordered or disaffected teenagers, they have perverted their own religion. and then they sell their living brethren to knocking off. there is no provable cause of government intrusion in one happens in france. they already passed

regulations this summer to read emails and our tournament has been struggling since edward snowden. don't use it as an excuse to lot toward now will cost lives and they don't want it. to impose freedom by force defeats the purpose. let's not give into hysteria. find a way to kill them without defecating our civil liberties. what is the trade-off? judge napolitano well what bess through. climate change is the biggest threat to the united states now does he link terrorism to global warming? will also discuss with the military what they should and should not be doing.

i am kennedy. ♪ kennedy: brian knight was horrific than tragic. we have our panel meghan mccain and anthony fisher from recent and also the senior editor from the day the caller. what shouldn't we do? >> we have to lay out what will it take to defeat isis and do they have the stomach to do that because maybe initially everybody says go after them but to muster what is necessary me take a prolonged period of time to we sustain that support while they do? i hope so we have to make

sure the american people understand what it would take it could be in excess of 100 troops and to put these guys on the run. kennedy: than what? that doesn't get to the heart of the problem the mindset is a theocracy and the adl that killing other people pleases god that is say hard ideology to counter >> the last thing we should do is repeat our previous mistakes to start a ground war and you're stuck in an occupation so with attacks from above that kill more civilians than terrorist and with western nations for

decades to come. but if we don't do a thing they just sarah is. is there any thing optimistic on the horizon? >> no. i've done it was tone deaf and i guess as one of those people that work with fox news i believe if we don't eradicate isis right now it will only get worse. they say there is another threat. kennedy: and rohm. >> people think that want to send troops in and watch my brother deployed three times the worst days of my life easily i am well aware what

we are sacrificing the perils of for but i am living in fear that what happened in paris will happen to washington d.c. or new york city and i space ecorse is not working. kennedy: don't think he has a good strategy at all and puts us in danger but so do we send over 100,000 troops but what is the alternate goal? that is the unsatisfied question and nobody has an answer for how do change their mind? it boils down to the ideology. >> why do they take as? and they stopped at nothing to destroy my way of life span neck since then 11 refigure what is the political solution?

we have not found that perfect balance yet but unless we can deliver a blow we still gain adherents. kennedy: even if we do strike a few death blows i have no problem telling them they're awful people of the blood to give them the business end. unfortunately a the risks that come with that i don't see a satisfying conclusion. >> remember isis is the successor to al qaeda and they are not born of their blood. yes they preach terror right now the most of the leadership is part of the saddam hussein secular army was our mistake to disband the army immediately that created isis and remember that before we send ground troops.

kennedy: we could have conceived of that step but we cannot conceive of what will happen tenures down the road. >> gore the free syrian army civic bet that encapsulates a bunch of groups. >> were you for it to? from a guy was not for giving arms to groups of people. >> we spend a lot more than that of the iraqi army. said in a but there are risks of action and inaction. >> but i don't see a solution. >> darr also don't trust this president with action

and i don't think he has a sense of strategy at all purposes such a politicized issue to step back with perspective to do what is right to keep america safe. >> he goes back on his own battle line all the time progressed somewhat opposes military boots on the ground when it obama tells me that to me that reads i will send them in six months. kennedy: i would not be surprised there is the incremental build up stickiest trying to build up the plot. >> times so a angry i am scared i was so close to the 9/11 memorial. it could just as easily happen in the york s a professor in a class of a lot of people have died.

and then he just cannot do that. >> looking more forceful with three terrorist attacks in the year you better do something because people over there are becoming unraveled. >> what should they not be >> what should they not be doing and just napolitano is i'm definitely able to see savings through using the car buying on usaa. i mean, amazing savings. i was like, wow, if i could save this much, then i could actually maybe upgrade a little bit. (announcer) usaa car buying service powered by truecar. save money, zero hassle.

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>> as they send troops in they get injured they are killed our country spends hundreds of billions of dollars it is best we don't shoot first and aim letter -- later. kennedy: such a strategist to say the blood is plus but what should the united states military response me to respond to use the threat? we'll come gentleman.

kennedy: pete's what did you expect to see from the president? a shift in strategy? >> we hope you have that humility just like the iraq's search to change course president obama is fundamentally unwilling to do so. that there is only a handful and want to propose the military haidas want to trust as commander in chief. so we will run out the clock kennedy: what is the easiest way for the president to screw this up? >> they're current status quo.

now you can no longer drop without a surveying the effect on the ground that is what i did for a living. day unobserved bob mays will hit of the north pole so we do need to see the fact we have been doing this for a year if he wants to hide behind the kurds i am fine with that but arm them directly or organize with 400 special forces is a and let them go if he doesn't want to boots on the ground that is fine as long as to allow the caliphate to hold a jury and you give them that if unchallenged the terrain you are not challenging the caliphate. kennedy: i asked earlier today is the attack on friday a sign of desperation from isis or a sign of strength?

>> a complete sign of strength and sophistication and part of their strategy progress somebody who believes we can cross them there reserve reason there was a syrian passport they want to provoke a response the division in europe with an overwhelming response that doesn't mean we shouldn't because we need to crush the caliphate. it is in perfect but this is part of a strategy to provoke conflict the longer we allow the caliphate to believe it is of the offensive if we will continue to see these problems we should listen to what they're saying they're coming for us and aggressively especially with open borders it is unbelievable what we allow them to do under our nose.

kennedy: what do they understand? >> force and a loss they have decided to metastasize coming back to some of their homeland you can deny them that by denying the ethical and theological basis to take the train back but they do understand been shot back at their not good at dealing with that. kennedy: thanks for being here. by a panel will return the president was to keep bringing syria and refugees into the country but should we? and the life of a tragedy in

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kennedy: president obama continuing with his plan to read mitt is mitt the 10,000 refugees into the united states in in 2016 regardless of religion governor say they will not accept refugees into their states should america take refugees displaced by says? we are back with our panel. how do we do with it? to mcadoo think we should i don't know how you check when they come from a failed state but breaking news right now that one of theg to oe of the dead terrorist is a fake. kennedy: there are a lot of fake syrian passports. >> now a dead terrorist came

into the refugee program that could be true but that doesn't necessarily mean you stop the entire humanitarian mission. kennedy: the blood is the bigger threat? >> don't think they are. >> belgians. seriously. >> people with european passports or canadian passports americans are perfectly capable to beat activated right now. kennedy: should governors be allowed to refuse? >> make it one dash one rigo i was saying of worse to monetary crisis since world war ii but today i know one assyrian refugees all around my family. it is hard to with mitt on-camera but if there is 1,000 that we left in 999 are wonderful but one is the

sleeper how do track as? >> it is more of a threat in europe with people streaming over with no vetting effort in place. >> we accept to and thousand actually that is not that many. do is to think it is of legitimate debate. we should accept women or children or christians that would greatly reduce the threat especially when we can do vetting you will never have 100% probability of anything we will never let any of it a kind but that will happen. >> but i understand why people are scared it is their emotion and their heads is hard to separate.

>> but it is very necessary when we let demotion leaves the audience that we get the patriot act that we're still wrestling with and trying to figure out that balance. unfortunately you have a lot of people in government who directly benefits when you do engorged the security states and we have to be rational. then we have to say slowdown. not only for our own safety but out of respect for fran. >> would you allow us? >> 18 geographically a we are far away there are other countries but i would take some. we have to have a better vetting process. living in new york city were lower in calm people are guaranteed housing that is imposed by the municipal government and how easy for

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kennedy: france is a member of nato along with united states:attack on our allies is one that obligates us to defend them but is nicest a nation state or a terrorist organization doesn't authorize our intervention? only one person to ask judge napolitano the. >> that is not an easy question. kennedy: you are the man

went to talk to i am location forward to hearing your opinion. according to article five we have to defend them or do we? >> only if they ask us. it gives us a of the goal right to declare war if we and france and nato is a state it is not recognized by united nations but has a top down authority and a geographical border and extract taxes and provide governmental services. maybe they don't want to them so you could this lead characterize it as a state we don't have a provision for a non state about the rise president bush and obama ltd. to pursue those that perpetrated 9/11 and

affiliated groups but they are not around anymore so for this to be lawful today to wage war congress would have to declare a 4% to the nato treaty or their of the few it will come here hit them before they come here. kennedy: does the u.s. have a moral obligation? >> yes. because when we entered the nato treaty when france was a lot weaker than today the of the goal obligation became moral. whether it is immoral or not for us to put this on the ground in syria is an entirely different issue the framers were right to require a declaration of war that means there is a

national consensus that one person is not making the decision on his own. >> sunday that has ben missing with the ongoing conflict. >> 1942 was the last time we declared war. everything else of the military incursions have to endure a pseudo legal means for the constitutional requirement of a declaration of force period they're saying this is their 9/11 they have been much more of a surveillance state and going into over surveillance deal worry that will come more to the american landscape? >> yes. it is human nature when

people are afraid they opt for safety over freedom. many of us bought the myth but it doesn't and france is an example as we speak in france this moment the police do not need a warrant or suspicion to listen to any phone calls or capture text message e-mail or follow anyone to invade their privacy they can break down in the door to rest any person for no reason. that was not enough to stop this because the police were too lazy for old-fashioned in your face human intelligence that is what always works. kennedy: that is how we captured osama bin baden not true a digital pursuit people claim today encryption allows terrorists to thrive and that will

erode our civil liberties. >> when we accept the myth we will be saved but what will preserve our civil liberties when government agents and law enforcement have people on the ground ground, and human intelligence. kennedy: with felons and drones. let's talk about refugees. the president said he will still allow those refugees in this country people who love liberty they look to someone like you and are torn. but no one to turn my back on a group of people. >> there is no numerical cap of the number of refugees from political asylum does

he have the tools? that there is no database or a record of who they are. could he say women and children but not muslim males? he could for a short period of time could the states resist him? he were black the political will this has never been tested in the courts and is blue with as we speak. kennedy: the panel is back on the presidential election does -- we will break it down. coming up.

kennedy: this saturday debate bernie sanders said climate changes the biggest threat facing the nation meanwhile clinton and o'malley cannot bring themselves to say radical islam at the debate but the panel is that maybe they will say that.

is a real fight over natural resources? it sounds as if he says it is a plant that needs to be watered and terrorism proliferates. i don't get its. >> some things are so out of my wheel house i don't know what i don't understand with hillary clinton comparing 9/11 two will street toters and then say he will guarantee he will not tax us at 90%. is out of the realm of logic kennedy: if the climate has changed of man-made causes what does that have to do with terrorism right now? is it that much drier in the

desert? >> they say maybe it has a small part to the instability but such nonsense but the foreign-policy debate of the side has been exemplified but is not the cause of the instability. kennedy: edits economic but concentrating the entire argument there. >> there is something there but not nearly as big as what they say but i also have suspected that people who are hostile to capitalism freezing any evidence to go as hard to believe that for terror.

kennedy: i will talk with any comment - - economist if that is a myth. >> how foreign aid props up the government's to get to the people. >> following the attacks on friday, they can wait if they like but donald trump was elected president tonight. make an -- may again? >> data know what she is talking about. donald trump said everything he with that brush judge take care of it then he would bomb them so i don't have the great grass of his foreign policy plan. lot of things are we want to project onto food is winning she is a big fan of donald trump.

kennedy: you make a good point because now the debate will shift talking about different things this is an area a presidential candidate has to be well versed in its national security. >> there is a flight to seriousness those that no form policy even if you disagree they can speak to a depth but the strong man is donald trump he said i can solve this easy it is the incompetent government back home that cannot do it no cost will make them pay for it that is appealing even if it is not true and he could benefit. kennedy: i think he could benefit but a place to marco rubio strength when he puts

on his neocon hat talking about the country he wants to bomb he does better than yan and carson and definitely better than bush. think about the failed farm policy of the second bush presidency turns people off. >> and rubio says everything that everybody else says but puts it into a more attractive package and then people go for the silver candidate must. >> but i am not a libertarian. >> obviously senator rand paul strain is talking about the nsa and civil liberties and national security. key and he privet? he can if france goes overboard if people see what is happening in france that will make them skittish

overseer. he said he had a better vetting process them begging debate that rubio and schumer voted against. so he kemper of the is off to might do well. >> ion surprised that people realized rand paul was still in the race. >> he is still on the main stage with chris christie i don't need an off warrant. >> rand paul is going to their rights of rubio i will protect our borders. he is not an isolationist bond interventionist would be more sympathetic. he has not ruled out military intervention he isn't for reacting emotionally.

>> it is three days after i feel emotional. >> that was referring to his opponents. >> i am not a huge fan of rand paul but if usa 89 interventionist then what will they do after 129 people were slaughtered by barbarians. kennedy: interventionism is different from isolation actually donald trump would be more of the isolationist with restriction with trade ted immigration and the economy. >> will the public go for that? kennedy: i don't think americans want a weak president. maybe when the allies were attacked but then they were non interventionist.

they say that recipe does not count any more. >> his failure to succeed to make it more hawkish. kennedy: it doesn't do him any favors. >> but the feeling is about 9%. >> i was hoping he was a useful voice on the stage. >> but if it had stayed color and the winds were blowing in his favorably he be beating hillary clinton in the spring he had a better chance before donald trump entered and then to

give it to the right to. >> there was of media and narrative so with the non interventionists. and those it didn't see a good option but people interpreted it that way. kennedy: look at the entire republican field. and then with the better barometer and then in the presidential race. >> 8q so much. it is a fascinating discussion. i will tell you about the

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kennedy: a frequent rally cry a it is more complicated than joblessness. we are here tune discuss the king's college. serious times the one thing they constantly say on the left if they had more opportunity or a better job is it that simple?

>> everybody agrees that poverty is not helpful. behalf to distinguish between secondary and primary causes those behind the most serious attacks they come from upper middle-class backgrounds so when it comes with terrorism when you talk about poverty you focus on the wrong thing and it is dangerous to misdiagnose. >> are the poorest countries of hotbed? >> there may places around the world of that was the main cause you will see a lot more terrorism coming at of those countries but you don't see that. we cannot explain this.

is ideology certainly there are places like syria. with a difference of of its soldiers and the commanders. >> bill is a computer programming they get doctorates and the political implications and they are smart to carry on sophisticated complex attacks. the organizations that hire them are looking for the people with the profile. the less educated individuals are not coordinating these attacks you do have tavis server and level of sophistication for what is being done.

kennedy: and oftentimes they are too busy to be sent -- passing with ideology. you don't have time for that if you are caught up in the street crime is about the next dollar but that's large-scale with two different worlds we have to separate those that terrorism is not about party. kennedy: it is the ideologues coming from middle-class families some the want to get there ph.d. >> looked at homegrown terrorists in the united states most of those are upper middle class background. time and again is what we

see. it is not a material problem kennedy: is a complicated issue that is different in western europe and middle east or even the united states. we have to get our neighborhood right first. >> there is a lot of neighborhoods to get right. >> a few weeks ago i interviewed the lead singer

kennedy: isis terrorist target did a concert to paris and a few weeks ago

had the privilege to talk to the brilliant lead singer it is unimaginable with the band has been through. here is a taste of his brain in happier times. >> advance from the desert like alice cooper. it makes you tough there is a certain bazaar honesty. have to take dead generator out to the middle of the desert greasy any police officer coming we would played a big fire people would skate around the fire. kennedy: i cannot wait to see them play again. katchis monday it through thursday follow me on twitter or on facebook and e-mail.

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