>> sdy index fund eh on diheavy dividend s. >> thank you. we ended early, too. great thanksgiving to all. the place for business. fox. into custody. now to kwo"forbes on fox." >> first they were worried about the press being too tough on them during debates. now they are worried about 3-year-oldle orph orphans. doesn't sound tough to me . >> the president said we are afraid of widows and/or phans. i'm afraid of a foreign policy that creates more widows and/or >> the president knocking it this week but 47 democrats joining republicans in the house defying his ve to threat and voting for a bill to tighten restrictions on syrian and iraqi refugees. this as the majority of governors say they also oppose the current refugee program. is it time to put at least a

pause on the program to protect our safety and our security. welcome to "forbes on fox." let 's go in focus to find out with steve forbes, rich carlguard, elizabeth mcdonald, john tamany and mark. in light of terrorist infiltration, is it time to pause the refugee program here? >> that's a no-brainer. that's why the house passed with democratic support this week a bill to do that. have a pause. have the fbi more involved before letting people in. those are basic me sures. in terms of the refugee crisis we wouldn't have had it if obama had been open to establishing a sanctuary inside syria which he reejected two years ago if it hadn't led to the policies which led to disaster in libya. he's the prime cause. now he tries to throw it on republicans. >> republicans and democrats. a lot of them are going along

with republicans on this. the whole widow and orphan line, you look at the stats. 79% are among men. >> look. i'm all for controls. we are not admitting terrorists into this country. most of the people are not potential jihad -- members who want to commit jied ha and upset or destroy the united states. >> they are fleeing terrorism. they are fleeing people trying to kill them. >> absolutely. >> 10,000 is a drop in the bucket. we ought to put in more along the lines of a quarter million or half a million. >> most of them are people trying to flee injustice. god bless them but all you need is a handful as we saw in paris. a lot of people, even the fbi is concerned about the vetting me

thods we have. let me play a sound bite and get your reaction. >> our own law enforcement experts are telling us they don't have confidence that they can detect or block with the current standards in place that isil or isis isn't trying to infiltrate the refugee population. >> law enforcement is saying that. for six months the war refugee program wu stopped because they may have been letting in dozens of terrorists. two were discovered in kentucky. refugees who killed with sniper fire. they came up clean in the pentagon. listen, that is country that has open arms. we welcome refugees. this bill would not defund the refugee program. there is no religious test. it's saying common sense should prevail. take a pause and vet them.

>> our comele passion isn't free. it may be a silly point to those who think there are more values involved here. the cost of the middle eastern refugee s is 64,000 dollars over a five-year period. this is from the center for immigration studies. they are against illegal immigration. go ahead. >> it's certainly not free. one way to look at it is it is cheaper than some of the wars. my reaction is i don't want to minimize what happened last week. i think it would be a real tragedy if the american people gave up a lot of freedoms. the political class and response. it would be a response if the u.s. were not the beacon of hope for oppressed people around the world. keeping out refugees is not tantamount to keeping out terrorists. if they want in, they will get in. what makes us a beacon of hope is the fact that we are a democracy. we should pay attention to what people want.

i know polls aren't a scientific way of measuring these things. 11%, only christian refugees and only 28% say keep things the way they are. >> you used the word pause and that's the word. europe has an emergency. we don't have an emergency yet. let's use this time to figure it out. a pause is exactly appropriate. that's why more than 30 governors are pausing this. i must say if you have doubts about president obama's commitment to fighting isis, boy, the last shreds of those went out this week when we saw his cool response. >> we are a re public and the views of the states and the governors who governed those

states are important. at least 30 governors are opposed to this thing. shouldn't states have the right to decide the in flow of refugees into their own environments? >> this should be important, but it's not. look at the big picture. this is part of the president's plan to transform america. he detests what this country has stood for for so many years. whether you look at how he's gutting the military, letting illegal immigrants come into this country. this refugee plan is part of it. he wants to re make the country into his image. this is all part of the same plan. safety be damned. >> certainly what he does detest is a lot of the back and forth that the presidents usually have to go to in order to get what they want. >> that's right. this is why he issues decarries when he can't get it through congress. he wants congress like the old parliament s in the soviet union. be a rubber stamp for what's in china.

that's not the way the country works and his tin ear on this crisis will cost the democrats dearly. everyone wants tighter security. >> not everyone. >> most people do. >> mark, let me ask you a question. are you at least willing to concede that the vet ing process we have is not fool-proof, that individuals, maybe just a handful. >> this bill, there are two big problems. this bill sets up a gauntlet. it will be years before one syrian refugee gets in the country. >> whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. >> the administration doesn't address anything -- >> for the record -- >> anything to do with people -- >> forgive me . >> for the record -- excuse me, mark. for the record, the administration claims it takes two years to vet each refugee. go ahead. >> it's going to lengthen the process considerably. it's going to add an extreme amount of cost. what it will do is essentially

block anyone from getting in. it doesn't deal with what the issue is. it's very bigoted and racial, i think. >> that's so unfair. [ all speaking at once ] >> what about home grown terror? >> tell it to the families who lost people that they are bigoted and racist from a terrorist attack. >> why pick somebody because of their skin color? >> you are talking about protecting people, mark there is no religious test in the bill. >> okay, mark. let e-mac talk. go ahead. >> there is no religious test in the bill. we are an open arm society. we want it. we are also about the safety of our citizens as well. one person can commit a lot of collateral damage in a terrorist attack. we have seen it time and again with the boston marathon killing and now in paris. >> we should remind folk that is the tsarnaev brothers responsible for the boston bombing, at least one was going back and forth. so, again, even the rules we now

have aren't fool-proof. >> yeah. you have to take this cautious approach. let me re mind mark that a lot of this has to do with people's utter lack of trust for president obama. i urge you to look at what president obama said after the paris shootings and it's night and day. >> coming up next with the paris attacks on our minds and the busy holiday season upon us, is this a time for airport workers to go on strike across america? one union says yes. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business...

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after the paris attacks the fbi is said to be bracing for potential strikes here at home as we head into our busy holiday season. and now this week, a big union organizing strikes at some of the busiest u.s. airports. they want service workers to unionize and get more pay. steve, the question is when a

strike compromise our safety and economy just at the wrong time. >> certainly going to compromise the economy, david. because people are already skittish about going to airports after what happened in paris. so they are going to be even more so if they think there will be labor problems at the airport. less travel will hurt the economy. also in terms of security. it's tough enough with a large airport. if you have a labor strike there that will make the job even more difficult. >> so, rich, not now, of all times. not now. >> i agree with steve. i support the seiu's right to do this. this is called leverage. it's what businesses do. it's high stakes game. it will either work for them or blow up in their face and destroy the union. >> leverage? at such a high, intense, holiday travel time of year, you know it under cuts sympathy for the unions. you may have said yeah, they deserve better pay. using travellers who are

beleaguered and scared to get better pay is a problem. >> mark, would an airport strike compromise security and our economy? >> no. these aren't security workers. i think this is an easy problem to solve. pay the workers what they want. $15 an hour. it's not a lot of money. >> it's not. for our security's sake. but it is a security threat. look at the security plane that blew up over egypt. a lot of people think service workers planted a bomb on the plane. >> i think this will blow up. can you imagine a bunch of angry passengers crammed into the terminals having to deal with this? with the gratuities they get you already get $15 an hour. >> what do you think, john?

>> it's obnoxious but it is an opportunity. unemployment is still high. this is a way to break the unions and let other people take the jobs. no better time than the president. >> steve, could that happen? i remember the strike and re gan called their bluff and broke the unions. >> i don't think it will happen here. public support for these actions, public support for these minimum wage laws. it will decline. people had enough. they don't want more strife. they want to focus on prosperity and security. >> when you think about the russian plane going down and we don't know what happened. it seems like they had some kind of inside source to help to plant the little bomb on the plane. these are the people we are talking about here. >> yeah. this is a danger. that's why the seiu's strategy the high stakes. it is the strategy to employ. >> e-mac. >> tough to fire them. they work for private contractors. that's the issue. you're right, david. watch dog groups and government

watch dog groups said airport workers aren't vetted. they are a security risk. to have us going on at this time of year when people want to travel at thanksgiving it's bad. >> mark, the seiu has a history of cooperation with the obama administration. they are all friendly ahead of the seiu visited more than any other union leader to the white house. does that play a role here? are they using influence to get what they want? >> i think they are using the influence in a lot of ways. i don't think it's related to terrorism. i don't think we should imply that the russian plane went down because of the seiu or because of union workers in egypt. the fact is that it shows how dangerous the situation is in this world right now. >> perhaps. >> like those people surrounding the plane do have influence in maintaining security. >> that's right. what's behind this isn't the $15 an hour minimum wage. it's to use the $15 an hour to get bigger raises for people

that are already making more than that. >> okay. so far it was just a one-night strike. we have to do something for steve forbes which is to promote his latest book called reviving america. how re peeling obamacare, replacing the tax code and reforming the fed will restore hope and prosperity. run out and buy it. that's a good read. >> christmas! >> i haven't read it yet, but i will. >> of course. >> the "cashin' in" gang getting ready for the bottom of the hour. eric? >> hi, david. more terrorists go on a killing spree and the administration is planning to defeat them. do we need to do much more whatever the cost? and during all this we have more terror suspects from gitmo to the mideast. does that make sense to you? see you in a few minutes. >> thanks. up here first, get your bets in now. online fantasy sports could be soon millions. some say that's a bust for free markets.

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all bets could be off on this. new york's attorney general moving to ban daily fantasy sports betting in his state going after fan duel and draft kings, and a subpoena to yahoo! which offers sports betting for new yorkers. some say it's a bad bet for free markets. why? >> this shows why we don't want

the government to pick winners and losers. there is no reason fantasy sports shoul not be considered gambling and daily fantasy sports should be gambling. no sense at all. >> does it make sense? >> it's gambling. you're not playing against the house. you are playing against players like in poker, at the horse track. i don't think it should be illegal but it should be regulated. >> it may be better the snyderman didn't speak out of both sides of his mouth. this is the statement he made this week. he said for more than a century new york laws have banned gambling. the few narrow exceptions that exist which do not include sports betting all come with strong regulation and oversight to ensure fairness and protect new yorkers from fraud. they are always protecting us, of course. that's not true. we had off-track betting for years in new york. that was sports betting. what he says isn't true. >> who are these angels in

government that are going to protect us in terms of regulation from these awful gambling sites? my thing is i would like to be protected from men's cologne. i despise the scent but i don't want laws create ed to do it. people gamble responsibly, eat, drink responsibly. let people alone. leave government out of it. >> and get rid of that cologne. mark, i wonder if this has anything to do with schneiderman's opinion. he receive at least $25,000 in campaign contributions, probably more. that's all we could actually vet. tooung that's just a coincidence that he's getting money from people competing with these sites? >> possibly. but, look. we created this problem when we put through exceptions. so this is gambling, this is not. either it's against the law or it's not. if it's against the law then the law need s to be enforced. >> i agree. >> that's the problem.

what is gambling anymore? >> yeah. there is a lot of definitional problems with it. >> the he said there was never any sports betting in new york. there has been and the government ran it. it was off track betting, otb. >> and the government ran it into the ground. thank you very much. it shows hypocrisy. w york promote as lottery where the payout is stingy by las vegas standards. it's hypocrisy. as long as their pockets are lined they don't like others doing the same thing. >> is schneiderman trying to become the most unpopular politician in the world? >> yeah. >> he's doing a good job so far. >> on the way. i'm always skeptical of government infallibility here. what bureaucrat will write the rules everybody has to followle? this could be politicized and they could create monopolies. lock into place two players, companies. that's it. no little guy could get in.

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