and-- i could use a new bike helmet because i just got a new bike. dagen: i love it. is it a dura. >> no, a scott. >> you want some "star wars" toys. dagen: we've got to go. my final thought, adopt a dog and it's always about charles payne who is in. thank you, gentlemen. charles is in for stuart varney. charles: hey, dagen, merry, merry-- happy thanksgiving. stuart varney is enjoying his first thanksgiving as an american. first, nearly $2 billion spent on your smart phones. it's the year that america is turning to mass consumption because so far in-traffic stuff is looking good. and perhaps low fuel prices, we're marking toward $1.99 on the national average.

to politics, because it's been a huge week for politics. president obama's thanksgiving message, comparing syrian refugees to the mayflower pilgrims. we have it on tape to prove it to you, it's not a hoax. and france and russia, their presidents are uniting in a battle against isis. america no longer in the lead there. russia sending in long range missiles to syria on the syrian turkish border. turkey's response, we'll see, all of that related to the shootdown. it's a real big day. "varney & company," we're about to begin. ♪ >> ♪ we need a little christmas, right this very minute ♪ ♪ candles in the window and-- >>. charles: black friday is here. and it's looking like christmas for shoppers. numbers for you, 1.7 billion spent on thanksgiving day

alone, a record number of these purchases made on-line, through mobile phones. target saying that they're seeing more traffic in their stores, more sales. we're all over the black friday story for you, it's huge this year, maybe it's the year we see retail and traffic. look at that. sometimes this is what happens when you wait in line all night long. let's call it the new christmas spirit. of course, that's not it. it's on display in a louisville mall, two men wrestling each other to the ground and police were called to break up. and that's the holiday spirit for you. take a look at the market. the market is flat and of course, we're not that far away and near the record 18,000. we'll be on watch for that today. we'll be with moves to the upside on black friday. we have news for your money and wallet. and look at that, a little bit more than, a little more down, and $2.05 on this pace right

now. we can be below $2 sometime next week. now, out to chicago. protesters are expected to disrupt shopping on chicago's famed magnificent mile. jeff, the weather is bad, will that keep the protesters away and the shoppers? >> it may keep both away, charles. it's been an unpleasant day, but the forecast here on the magnificent mile in chicago is for there to be slightly improved weather condition when the protest is slated to start. as you know, it's all about this video, this dash cam video released earlier this week that sparked protests all week long here in chicago and today promises to be the largest one so far. this is what they call the mag mile. it's the cold-- gold coast in chicago. a lot of shopping takes place. today i don't know what's going to happen. we'll be here throughout.

the march will start down therein 11:00, noon eastern time and we'll be here for how it turns out. charles: that's right in the program, sheriff who is talking about black lives matter and the protesters. now to the fight against isis. the presidents of france and russia joining forces. they're going to at least joining forces to try to take down the terrorists in syria. david cameron, watch this. >> we shouldn't be content outsourcing our security to our allies. if we believe that action can help protect us, then with our allies we should be part of that action, not standing aside from it. we do face a fundamental threat to our security. we can't wait for a political transition, we have to hit these terrorists in their heartland right now. charles: we love hearing that kind of urgency. now, back here at home. fox news learned that the fbi's

currently tracking at least 48 high risk isis suspects in the united states. fox news military analyst bill cowan joins us now. colonel, this is one of the stories you feel kind of good and feel nervous about it as well. it acknowledges what a lot of people believe. now we know there's 48 suspects, can we successfully track them? >> well, charles, there's actually about a thousand people out there with known ties to either isis, al qaeda or some other radical element and these 48 are maybe the highest profile ones. you know, we have, according to reports, at least 12 fbi agents on top of each one of these 48 people watching them. that's all good and we have to give all credit, all due credit to law enforcement and intelligence professionals. the reality is, the others that are not being watched. 952, they also pose a threat to us. so, it's just hard to put all of this together and make all

of us feel safe. charles: on that note. i don't understand the resources that we've wasted. remember, we were going to spend half a billion dollars on training syrian rebels after pouring all of the billions into all of these sort of programs. why don't we bring that money back home and follow these 958 would-be suspects. we know one thing, as much as we're afraid of immigrants coming from syria ready to harm us, there's got to be embedded cells in this country and that's probably where it's going to happen next. >> that's exactly right, charles. and of those thousand, maybe in fact another thousand or so we don't know about. the reality is, we really can't keep an eye on all of them. some of those groups are devoted and dedicated to doing, i believe, exactly what happened in paris. i go further than saying just surveil them. i think we need good an aggressive members of congress to draft draconian legislation,

any american going over to train, and 48 people, i assume, have gone there and come back. charles: sure. >> whether it's going there and training, an on-line membership, it's a mandatory jail sentence, minimum 10, maybe 20 years, we need those kind of draconian measures. charles: i think you're 100% right. if we polled america, maybe some sort of amendment to the constitution to that effect would pass. i need you to stay right there, we're going too shift gear, and addressing the threats from president obama. take a listen. >> nearly four centuries after the mayflower set sail, the world is still full of pilgrims, men and women want nothing, but a safer and better future for themselves and their families. what makes amerimerc -- america, america, we say all

worth think of god's compassion and care, that's what makes this the greatest nation on earth. charles: tammy bruce is with us. maybe have a few refugees with you. >> i'm shocked that pilgrims were people that we could like again. remember, the pilgrims were here that came here and ruined america and ended up being america, which is ruined the world. suddenly, there is such love for the people that came here and started thanksgiving. charles: although some people would also say that there are some stark differences between the folks that came over on the mayflower. >> very much. charles: and people who may be coming in with bomb vests on ready to destroy the mall. >> this highlights the hypocrisy here. we've got a modern day problem. our enemy said they would invade this process to get in here. it's cynical, it's hypocritical. but-- >> it's hypocritical, but not to president obama who believed in a one world, america is not the greatest, we're part of a greater nation, greater planet and we should all be quote,

unquote, in this together. >> what informs this general approach is that america is the problem, that we need to be scolded that it's our attitudes. there's a reason that people want to come here, because we're that great. and our efforts to keep the nation safe so people have the-- >> don't feel guilty if you're worried that they're going to harm you. and an air missiles-- we want to to go back out to the colonel, still with us. this is dangerous stuff. you don't set up the surface to air missiles to fight isis and we've got planes flying there. france has war planes flying there. it feels inevitable that an accident could happen and this thing could get uglier? >> well, charles, you're absolutely right. it may not be an accident, something intentional may

happen, but look, turkey's shooting down of that aircraft was not just an accidental happening in and of itself. >> i'm sure that the president was a parts of the decision making process. that russian aircraft had barely gone into turkish air space and russian aircrafts violate our air space and we don't shoot them down. this story has a long, long way to go. russia says they're going to put economic sanctions, but that's not where it's going to end. now, turkey has a major russian presence on the ground south of them. naval ships coming in and putin is really establishing himself firmly and permanently in syria in large part because of what the turks did. charles: although i think that may have been his goal the whole time. is the ugly quagmire getting uglier? stay there.

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>> the black friday die-hards have been at it for hours. and peter barnes is among them. he's at the pentagon city hall in arlington. what are you seeing out there? >> the shoppers are starting to come in and listen, near pentagon city here in suburban washington d.c. is doing everything it can in particular to battle the on-line merchants because they want people showing up here at this big, beautiful mall, with 170 retailers so they're using

social media and they have an app with the specials. more than 100 of the stores here have got all their black friday specials, the gap at 50% off your entire purchase with additional 10% off of the fashion you can fit in one of their tote bags. so, 100% of the specials and the theme of the holiday shopping mall, spread love. one of the promotions is to give out free hershey's kisses and an on-line photo booth. they want you to tweet out the fun photos that you take in the digital photo booth we have rae got me and my producer and producer, we're having a good time. charles: and my man, you're having fun down there? >> yeah. [laughter] got the hot chocolate out e i know for you, that's going

overboard. hey, but any word how this is looking versus last year? maybe, even anecdotal better or worse? >> you know, a lot of folks here are here for the specials. and going and get the stuff at a discount and pulling people in. the national retail federation expects people to spend 3% more this year, a total of 630 million dollars in brick and mortar stores and on-line, charles. charles: enjoy your eggnog/hot chocolate, my man. see you soon. spread love. speaking of spreading love, ted cruz off surge in the iowa polls is using snapchat and football to court voters. he's going to take direct aim at conservatives and millennials as well.

those are hot beds of football and joining us, you love this idea, right? >> i think it's fantastic. i mean, charles, think about it, do you remember how obama got all the millennials and got everyone on social media going? i think the fact that ted cruz is using snapchat is ingenious and think about it, think about the audience he is appealing to, this is gold. if it translates into small increments of, you know, donations, this is even more. this is even better for ted cruz all the way around. looks like ted cruz is really on the forefront of pioneering new roads toward social media using snapchat. charles: when i peeled back the layers of the iowa poll and looking at the details of it. this is the hot bed of evangelicals, tea party members. this is where you want to go if you want to solidify not just

iowa, but donald trump, he's been in the south and to me, this seems like a brilliant move as well. >> absolutely, think about the audience, think about the demographics, number one and number two, think about, you know, cruz versus trump. cruz is going to, you know, he did his announcement at an evangelical institution and think about how he's going to, you know, translate his message and get his word out, with the memorials during all the sec. this is brilliant and the fact that he's on it before any other candidate is on it is fantastic. charles: well, i tell you what, a smart move. while we're on the sec, i've got to say roll tide. thank you. >> oh, thanks. charles: a democratic congressman called stuart varney on live tv to his face because he criticized president obama. >> i'm not a hater.

>> 100% negative statements. >> i'd really like you to take that back.

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democratic congressman brad sherman and took exception to the fact that he was called a hater because he criticized president obama. watch this. >> stuart, after listening to this gushing hatred of president obama. >> no, no, no. >> i realize that i've got five minutes to try to add some fairness and balance. >> no. >> this show it's hatred-- >> i am not a hater, flat-out, i'm not. i'd like you to take that back, sir. >> 100% negative. it sounds like hatred to me, but i don't know you well enough to know whether it's hatred or disdain. >> it's not hatred, it's opposition to policies which are failing. charles: and considering opposition speech hate speech? >> he belongs on the campuses, this is what we see across the board. any opposition or challenge is hate. this is what my first book was about in 2001. using these labels, a hater or

a sexist or a homophobe, to shut down the conversation because they can't win on details of the issues, they want you to shut up and this is the way they think they're going to do it. charles: in the meantime, this is starting to resonate with younger adults. there are big movements to push back any kind of speech that makes someone feel uncomfortable or anxious or anything else, and to me, it's so amazing because, you know, we've got things going on in this country that must be addressed and they have to be honest about it to address it. >> sherman's comments prove this is not just going on campuses, this comes from democrat leadership. this is the attitude now, that's permeating from the topdown. so the young people are running with the economies, the reason that nobody is getting expelled is because the people leading the academies generally degree. is thises monster, this is the economy of dr. frankenstein and

they don't to know what to do with it? >> do you push back to the point, me think thou push back too much? >> no, specifically, you've got to reject the notion, the premise itself and nobody ever really does that against the left. you saw even sherman was a little surprised because that's supposed to shut you right down. that's a house of cards. it's the thing that everyone should do. charles: thanks a lot. big day for retailers, big season for retailers. who is winning and where should you put your money? later, president obama says we could beat isis by tackling climate change. . >> the global climate conference, what a powerful rebuke for the terrorists it will be.

>> in the americans with any relationship with isis, having gone over to syria, these 48 people have been going over, training, an on-line relationship, whatever, it's a mandatory jail sentence,

minimum 10, maybe minimum 20 years. charles: that was fox news military analyst lieutenant colonel cowan, the market looks like it's going to be relatively flat. and shanghai market is down 5% overnight. the key pocus will be on retail. we were down 5, up .70. it's going to be fight initially, but we could get some fraction before this is over. it's a holiday shortened session, but we'll look at the news and the retailers, what do stores look like. black friday, what do those numbers look like? thanksgiving looks like a huge, huge hit although the market is right now opening down, 20 points lower. all right, well, we're just one solid rally away, however, from 18,000, so when will it happen? what will make it happen? joining us a look at scott shellady, now 18,000, today,

when? >> we're not that far away, like you said. you can see it happen. >> what you just said about the chinese stock market. we kind of things things are great because they have a low unemployment rate and japan yesterday came out and their economy is shrinking. we've got to rely on the consumer and that's why the market hangs in there. we've got geopolitical tensions and there are goes to be problems and so, yeah, we can do it, but there's danger out there. i see a lot of danger. >> speaking of danger, the world is on fire and the markets so far shrugged it off. up 2% since the paris attack. that's the sort of -- what could. >> we have the potential for the fed increase coming up here and you know what? i think that's something that's

got an overhang, but it's interesting, because i think what really has happened lately, we've taken some of the uncertainty out and it's pretty sure this time or next that we're going to see some sort of movement by the fed and the market loves when we take uncertainty out and we get some certainty, we know what's we're dealing with. and i think see it hitting 18,000 any day now liz: interesting. >> with a chance from a pullback from there. and that's probably the chance to get a buy on a pullback liz: here is what the wall street shops are worried about, a profit and revenue recession, we haven't seen the rates of growth slowing down like this since 2009. is it the stronger dollar? is it because commodities, notably energy companies are feeling the heat? oil possibly going to 25 by in exyear. so, wall street analysts are trying to strip the effects out and see if corporate profits and sales are slowing down. charles: to that point, scott.

i know you wanted to jump in on the fed question. the federal reserve on one hand is saying our economy is good enough finally to start taking off the training wheels, but there's not a lot of evidence to prove that. >> there's not. and i think the real big risk. the market loves certainty and the fed's done an okay job. last couple, three weeks telegraphing what they should do. >> last i checked, i've been doing this 28 years, cooling off an overheating economy, i haven't seen anything that says let's raise rates. if the fed was 3, i could see cut rates. and i think that could be the crack. charles: wall street likes the idea of some certainty and everyone agrees on a december hike. this is amazon, costco, home depot, lowe's, most are

winners, most trading at all-time highs and then you still like the stocks. you like the idea of chasing the names, even though most are at all-time highs? >> i like the strength that we're seeing in all of those. the one i like is the pullback in costco due to some e. coli issues that we'll probably get into, charles. but lowe's and home depot are tough to buy after the three days they've had up, but on any pullback, i like all four of those names to buy anytime we get a small, you know, 2, 3, 4% pullback, all going to continue to be strong into the end of the year. charles: what i find interesting, we had consumer spending and income on wednesday. and wages had the biggest fight that we've seen in a long, long time. but savings are at 5.9%, it seems like the consumer is so afraid and it's hard to figure out when do they start to spend the money because if they do, that will be fantastic. how do you rec size that in--

reconcile that in your work? >> the consumer numbers, you're right. lately haven't been putting as much money in, but over the last year, if we look. the consumer has remained strong here and i've even seen some analysis that talks about how that consumer strength has overcome, even the china weekness because we only export about 7% to china. so i think that they're going to continue to come out and buy this christmas season, charles. >>. charles: let's talk about the names you don't like, don't like wal-mart, macy's, staples, your been outfitters. i happen to think that wal-mart comes back sooner. the moral of the story, here, dr, don't buy the losers, don't pick the bottom? >> yeah, i have a difficult time looking at any of these for bottom picking. i know there are stocks, you've come out and like burlington. i think the discounters you mentioned, wal-mart, the discounters will be coming back quicker than the others. i think people who depend on

tourist trade, and high end, like macy's, tiffany's, those names are going to be tough to buy here for a while. charles: scott, you know, nike is going to open at a new high. it happened at a new high. i sold my nike too soon and i told people never to sell and i did, only because out of a sort of anxiety. where are you on this whole thing? i know you're a trader so a little more nimble than our audience. do you chase the winners or look for oversold retailers? >> i think maybe some of the oversold retailers are better, but to your previous guest's point. listen, we're in an earnings recession here, charles. so that's going forward with the dollar stronger again today, i think that's going to be a big head wind for our multinationals, what they make and sell overseas. keep an eye on that, i think that could be the driver as well as oil. those are the two most important things going forward. charles: i want to go down to nicole petallides on the floor of the new york stock exchange.

target in the last 24 hours has really had some good numbers and put them out, the stock opened higher. what's the story, nicole? >> amazing, first of all, they talk unprecedented sale and they see a surge year over year of 35% of in-store pickups, and people are asking what they want to buy pan put in their orders and go to the store. that's surged and they've seen it on-line and the profits and demand. apple ipad, apple watch. gaming consoles, all did very well. and televisions, disney, barbie, lego, beats, solo head phones. those are selling off the shelves. and the thing that they expect to continue in the holidays, they're calling it hot for the holidays. >> great reporting by nicole, over a year ago we thought that target was in deep trouble because of the hack into the personal identity information there. what a turn around and what a business model and putting a starbucks in the front of the store to get the people loaded up on caffeine before they

start shopping, that's a great business model. charles: and the new ceo has done a great job. let's check the price of oil for you, gasoline now marching toward. well, 2.05. scott, everybody is wondering when we go below $2 for the national average. >> i think that's sometime soon. it will be here for probably the next, five to six weeks, and i really think, you know, even though we have a little more demand. we've got a big, big supply issue, number one and nobody showed their hand about cutting down production. but also, the economy. what's worrying, we use petroleum in a lot of different things other than putting it in your car in the form of gasoline and the demand isn't there. if we were firing on all cylinders, no pun intended. even though we've got four wars in the middle east and normally only have one. we can't get oil out of bed. that should tell you something. charles: there's a time when geopolitical risk would add 10, $20 to a gallon. i think after the paris

attacks, it added 50 cents. want to take a look at apple. target, one of the hottest items, talking iphones, new mac books, ipads. if a lot of these products are under the christmas tree this year, would it also be time to buy the stock? >> well, i like that a lot as it came out of that tight price pattern down at 110 and talked with stuart about that breakout and the high probability for that breakout. i think up here, when we're trading 118, 119, 120. it's tougher to buy because there's overhang purely from a stock perspective. apple, as a company, just continues to roll the cash. i think the christmas season is going to be really good, but not superlative. charles: i was worried when it hit 121 and pulled back. disney, they lost 3 million espn subscribers, cutting the cord. it's happening more and more. by the way, you crunch the numbers. 216 million dollars a year in

lost revenue, liz, the stock though made a nice rebound near an all-time high. >> because of the theme parks and the merchandise they sell there and the film products as well. bob iger, the ceo of disney previewed in august and wall street didn't know, and the stock is under pressure right now. the size of it. it's actually three million. it's memorial l--- millennials not liking it. espn is costly for customers. skinny bundles and espn is iced out. charles: maybe go to rugby or australian football? i think that iger will figure it out. let's go to the dow, one of the dow names under some pressure, not moving, mostly sigh w-- side ways, the sessions often have big days. president obama is going to be

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>> all right. let's check the shares of target. they had some really great reports on strong traffic sales. they are selling a lot. and the rush to buy toys is on, too.

cheryl casone is here in times square. so far, how is it looking? >> it's busy, but it's times square in detroit. this location opened at 5 p.m. last night and they never closed. and when it comes to toys "r" us, you don't want to hear about that, you want to see what you can buy at toys "r" us. i ran around and actually my producer did, she ran around and grabbed the hotter toys and see some things that you can get. here are the deals at toys "r" us. this is journey girls like an exclusive line for toys "r" us. and they're going around the world travelling, that's 49.99. that's a big discount and then of course, this is lamy me-- excuse me, take care of me lambie, i don't have kids, but parents out there you know what i'm saying, it's a nickelodeon show today. and that's 49.99. you've got legos right here and

the legos toy is a great deal as well. over here, this is a big truck, the paw patrol. i like this one, part of a nickelodeon tv show, charles and this sells as well it's the paw patrol, all about the animals and guitar heroes. bring it back to you, guitar hero, also, charles, one of the big sale items. charles: and never got the guitar hero, i tried, i did. ac/dc here. and and here is how president obama say they can beat the terrorists. >> i will be joining president hollande and world leaders in paris for the global climate conference. what a powerful rebuke to the terrorists it will be. charles: what a powerful rebuke.

all right, let's bring in the former state department official, christian, the day after the friday prayers, when you do this kind of things. saudi arabia plans to behead 52 isis members, which one more effective, the climate summit or cutting their heads off in a public square? >> well, i think isis will pay a lot more attention to what saudi arabia is doing. it's unfortunate, regardless what you think about climate change, i'm a skeptics, the models have been wrong and the data manipulated, but even if you believe climate change is happening the idea that showing solidarity in paris on this issue can translate into a premier islam ic of our time-- >> it's deplorable to behead anybody, but what should the focus about, does climate change really cause terrorism? that's what the argument will be in paris. and i think that's a tough go

for them to make that argument right now given what-- given that there have been droughts around the world. charles: someone born and raised in a desert is motivated to kill everyone in the world because it's hot. and christian, i would take it a step further. not only do i think what saudi arabia did is more effective in deturing isis, i think what president obama is doing is enabling isis and other terrorists out there because he simply does not get it. >> one of the key parts of the narrative of the islamist, whether it's isis or the muslim brotherhood who may be doing some terrorist things, but focused more on politics and egypt, the west is decadent, they're clueless, this feeds into it. and sun god worship has been substituted for-- and solidarity with france, a

limited ineffectiveness anyway because we've had the shows of solidarity after bombings in copenhagen or attacks in copenhagen, in austin, bosnia, boston, and so on. and militarily confronting isis and islamism, the ideology that motivates these people. charles: and simply killing them and their ability to wage terror, the idea that the west is decadent, the relative of the master mind in terrorist, she took provocative photographs, known to smoke and drink, whatever, overnight she became pious with respect to religion. something triggers this particularly with folks who are immigrants or born there and seems to your point, christian, somehow we need to fight this on several levels, but certainly climate change is not one of them. got to let you go, buddy. hope you had a great thanksgiving. talk to you soon. >> thanks. charles: the fate, of course,

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and start gathering the information you need to help you keep rolling with confidence. go long™. ♪ >> well, it was a bad thanksgiving, tony romo threw three interceptions two returned for touchdowns and knocked out of the game maybe for the season. panthers 11-0. good job for those guys. and green bay, the packers retired brett favre's jersey and that was a beautiful thing. and not trying to diss aaron rogers, couldn't pull it out. the last second they could not score and the bears pulled-- i can't call it a huge update, but an upset. and the fantasy sports companies are appearing in

court. no decision from the judge whether this is gambling or not. sports attorney daniel wall lock is with me. daniel, quite simply, it feels like the judge just from his questioning so far is leaning towards calling this gambling. what do you think? >> well, he only asked two questions in a two hour question. one side are other. at the outset he questioned whether daily fantasy sports players could influence how real word could influence during the games. meaning that once the lineups are set, the real athletes take over and they're not chest pieces that you can move around the board. later on in the hearing, the judge mendez questioned the attorney general as to why there is a distinction between how daily fantasy sports were treated from season long fantasy leagues, so the judge

did seem to have issues with the apparent distinction carved out by the attorney general. charles: all of this emanates from an interpretation of a supreme court ruling that seems that maybe, i mean, ultimately wouldn't this be something that the supreme court would have to relitigate or sort of come down on and fix once and for all? because i think that particular ruling, i'm no lawyer, but it felt like it was not regarding season long playing of these games. >> well, you know, when it comes to the determination of what constitutes gambling, states are free to make their own judgments and we have a variety of different tests across the country as to what constitutes gambling, new york has its own frame work which is defiance gambling is a game of skill, or staking over which they have no--

and chance is a low threshold, instead of chance being dominant in most states, new york requires chance play a material or important part of the outcome of contest, in other words, new york has low hanging fruit than other states and it will be easy for the ag to make his case. charles: jesse jackson calling on all protesters to march with him down the magnificent mile in chicago, in response to the shooting of laquan mcdonald and president obama reflecting on syrian refugees, he wants americans to see him as modern day pilgrims. the second hour of "varney & company" just seconds away.

>> here is the big story this hour, chicago protesters, headed by jesse jackson and a report from fox news says that

the fbi tracking at least 48 suspected isis members right here at home. president obama using thanksgiving to reflect on syrian refugees, he says they're just like the mayflower pilgrims. is it an attack on freedom of speech? take a look at that, the lord's prayer being banned at the u.k., we've got a pastor and a rabbi. it's for real. the second hour of "varney & company" starts right now. ♪ on-line sales hit a record for thanksgiving. take a look at that number. 1.7 billion. it's driven by mobile sales, shopping huge. we're going to talk about that in a minute, but first, maybe this is why so many people are shopping on-line. take a look at the scene at a mall in louisville, kentucky.

these are two men punching, i'm looking-- this is better than the ronda rousey fight, really. it was broken up after 30 seconds, no word what caused it. and we're getting used to it liz: really? this is why possibly why people are shopping on-line and from mobile devices as well. you've got to worry about, and feel for the guys who work in these stores. they're effectively turned into wwe referees or umpires. >> nobody was trying to break that up. >> that's right. charles: seeing that kind of crazy ne craziness do you think we're getting to our dna shop till the drop? >> jc penney says we're keeping in the tradition of shopping, right? so it's apple pie and the american flag and now shopping is an american tradition. i thought j.c. penney acknowledged it. but getting back to the brawl

in the stores, it's off-putting. i don't think that people say to themselves they're not going to the mall because they'll see a fight, but if you witness one, run to the car. charles: i say forget about what side of the economic aisle your theory is, the reason that rich people get richer because poor people can't wait to give them money, they'll fight over it. let's go to chicago's magnificent mile where protesters are planning to disrupt black friday shopping. jeff flock. >> and the first protesters we're told are on their way, to be clear, this is a protest, that will not just be a fringe group. there will be elected officials as part of this protest and there will be church leaders and so, it could be a considerable protest, it could be the largest one we've seen since this release of this dash cam video. this is what michigan avenue looks like, the michigan avenue and the magnificent mile sign

there. this is an important day on the magnificent mile and a lot of shoppers said they would avoid this, rather than being part of whatever scene is out here. it's 11:00 certain tral time. it will start back up that way and perhaps you see up there, the chicago tribune tower, roughly where it will start and head up the magnificent mile north to water tower place, the big shopping center. we'll see what happens. charles. charles: you stay safe out there from, the weather and any brouhaha if it gets crazy. we'll keep checking on you, thanks a lot. right now i want to check the big board. we opened slightly down and now gaining momentum to the down side. remember, we're not far from 18,000, but whenever we get here lately the market does get hit. here is a look at nike, it opened today on a new all-time high. they announced a buyback and that's near the all-time high.

disney down big and given clarification to exactly what we're looking at with respect to the espn. three million people cut the cord and you crunch the numbers and 316 million annually and take a look at the stock. oil has been sort of side ways for a while and down today. good for your money and wallet and gas prices down a little more than half a cent. 2.05. at this pace your national average will be below $2 sometimes next week. in the meantime, the national bank of greece halted, this is not a mistake, guys, 16 cents a share. a year ago, this would have driven our market down significantly. it's ugly. all the news and stuff out of greece has gotten worse and that's probably-- >> they lost half their market. that bank lost half the market value, that's an alarming rate of value erosion. this stock could get delisted.

it's been under heavy problems right now. >> and you have to wonder about greece itself. i think even though we kicked the can down the road-- >> that's right. >> this is big important news because russia deploying among range air defense missiles at the base in syria. and this is in direct response to syria shooting down a war jet. kt mcfarland is here. we know that russia wanted to build out a base in syria and a bigger presence there. it feels like all the things they're doing now, in my mind might have been in their pipeline, but gave them an excuse to speed it up. how dangerous is it to have surface to air missiles where u.s. jets are flying and soon u.k. jets are flying? >> yeah, i think to a certain extent what putin did, it's almost like he said, here, here, take a swing at me, take a swing and turkey took the swing. and putin says i'm justified and i'm putting missiles in

there and build up my base. putin made a couple of points, one, he showed that he's there to stay and also shows that he supports his ally, assad, syria, he said assad is going to stay, too. finally, i think that putin shows, really, how feeble the nato alliance is and how the other countries in the region are trying to do something, but they're not doing nearly as well as putin does. he wins on all scores, it's a win, win with him. your threat to turkey, you take a swing alt me and i'll go to economic warfare with you and turkey has a lot more to lose than russia does. >> by the same token, it's a murky situation, hollande met with putin and they want to get isis. france agree with america, they want assad to go. and putin wants him to stay. there's going to be direct fighting of u.s.-backed syrian rebels versus assad and russia

and we've got boots on the ground there already. it feels like something bad is going to happen soon and put america in direct confrontation with russia. >> not only america, but the other countries there fighting. i think, charles, that's why american leadership is so important. we're all watching football this week, every team has a quarterback. in this situation in the middle east, there is no quarterback. everybody's doing their own thing, the russians, the fresh, the british, everybody is doing their thing, i'm the quarterback, air traffic controller, you do this or that. everybody has a role to play. and my concern for the region, an accident could happen and we could have an escalation and fight the guys that we don't want to fight. charles: that's a great analo analogy, kill the man was the ball. and on one hand, this is alarm, and they're tracking people at home. >> the resource, do we have

enough resources? there are some 50 terrorists that we're tracking 24/7 and the fbi alone is probably devoting a dozen to each one of those terrorists, each one of those some 50 terrorists, that's kind of the state and local governments. the surveillance that we're doing of them. and that's the 48 we're looking at. as many as a thousand who could potentially go for the high profile, high value terrorists and as i discussed about the middle east. this situation is worse. there are more and more terrorist possibilities in the united states. what we saw last week in france was isis jumped the shark. because prior to that isis was in the middle east, it was establishing its caliphate. we in the west assured ourselves, isis isn't coming after us. it's going to be preoccupied in the middle east. what they showed in terrorists, they're coming after us, the next shark to jump would be in the united states. charles: i don't know what the cost is. >> it's worth it. charles: in this case everybody would agree it's worth it.

we pour billions down the rat hole in the middle east with nothing to show for it, so let's protect americans. kt, we're glad you took time this holiday weekend to spend with us. we appreciate it. >> thanks, charles. charles: see you soon. donald trump, believe it or not, is under fire again. this time it appears he's poking fun at a disabled new york times reporter. >> poor guy, you ought to see this guy, i don't know what i said, oh, i don't remember. he's like, i don't remember. maybe that's what i said. this was 14 is years ago, and still, they didn't do a retraction. charles: well, trump is vigorously denying the allegations, quote, i have no idea who this reporter is or what he looks likes off her level of intelligence. and we've obtained a picture. he's now responding to trump and this is what he had to say, donald and i were on a versus name basis for years and i've interviewed him in his office

and talked to him at press conferences,ings all in all, i would say around a dozen times. lenore hawkins is with us. lenore, die-hard trump fans are going to say, this is the mainstream media once again trying to get away from the issues and trying to smear their man. what would you say? >> i would say it's very difficult to not consider this an issue because he wants to be america's number one statesman. and this isn't exactly a statesman-like behavior, but more of what we see from him, his style of political interaction is-- those other guys are lazy, stupid or evil, which not the best way for us to work with the rest of the world. charles: although, you know, president obama on the other hand has gone out of his way to be the, you know, the guy who works with the rest of the world, starts off his presidency with a bowing tour and that hasn't gotten us very far. it feels like our standing in the world has declined dramatically, no one fears, us no one respects us, a lot of people saying that pc way is

completely wrong and gotten america on the verge of becoming, no longer the super power it should be. >> well, there's got to be some sort of adult behavior in between the apology tour and the bully. right now, that's what we're looking at. we've got the obama apology tour and bow to everyone and say we're sorry for being a strong and amazing country and trump, the proper way to negotiate with a country is to walk into a room and say, i'm going to win and you're going to lose. and i'm not sure that's going to help. charles: i don't know, watching a boxing matching, you walk in, the mike tyson and allies, they say this stuff is won before the first punch is thrown. there's obviously something appealing with the trump approach to a lot of people. by the same token, there are questions you raised, what is presidential? it's interesting as he making the statement.

the scene in the crowd and they weren't wild cheers for this one, but his supporters let these kind of things go by. the question, will it get more people on the band wagon? >> i think what he does do very well is tap into the frustration that so many of us are feeling. we're feeling like america is becoming increasingly impotent. we're not the country we used to be and that kind of, like america's number one, america's strong and we're going to be back on top. who doesn't want to hear that? we went through this with carter where america felt like we were once the tough dog and now running around with our tail between our legs. that's appealing, but negotiating and working with other countries is not the same thing getting in the ring with mike tyson. that's a one-off event and yes, you are there to destroy your counter party. if we're going to work with other people, it's a long-term relationship and as a businessman, he knows you don't destroy your counter party if you plan to work together for a long period of time.

and given the amount of animosity we're facing in the rest of the world. we don't want to go out telling everybody, we're the biggest, and best, we'll destroy you whichever way we see fit. charles: thank you very much. there's wild weather on the way for millions of people. we're talking about an ice storm and other things, probably going to ruin your black friday and this, president obama reflecting on the mayflower pilgrims. he says the syrian refugees, they're facing the same journey to the us of a. >> nearly four centuries after the mayflower set sail, the world is still full of pilgrims 6789

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the central states. and also expect flights to be delayed as well. now to this, president obama comparing syrian migrants to the mayflower pilgrims. roll tape. >> nearly four centuries after the mayflower set sail, the world is still full of pilgrims. men and women who want nothing more than a better, safer future for themselves and their families. what makes america american is we cover that chance. we turn lady liberty's life to the world and say that all god's children are worthy of our compassion and care. that's part of what makes this the greatest country on earth. charles: when i think of pilgrims, the first thing i think of the syrian refugees as well. you, too, jessica, i'm sure? >> yeah, absolutely, who doesn't? >> a lot of people are finding this offensive and for many different ways, coupled with his thanksgiving prayer and you know the-- >> and using it for policy.

it's bigger than policy. it's sort of a theme of what america is and how did america get to this point. >> right. charles: it feels like president obama has hijacked, definitely hijacked and dismissed our belief in god, the pull yourself up by the boot straps. >> i don't think that's true. charles: the prayer, i think, that's what giving-- >> obama is a great boot straps story. charles: he is 's dismissed in many speeches. that we're bad people. it's a guilt trip. >> it's an incredibly complex issue to the american public. there's so much bad information. average american doesn't know they're vetted for two years and the american possibly don't know that governors can't do that-- they basically lied and said we're not going to take them, it's not up to them. it's federal policy.

charles: it's up to them to take a stand. maybe not legally, but to stand up for citizens and states, if i can, protect you. it's not complex. look how many people are dying around the world. we've got to believe that there's going to be some bad people embedded in this group. >> we have home grown radicalization and the visa waiver problem. the entire issue, everything that isis touches is fraught with horribleness, no one can dispute that, but we don't know who the people arement you can't broad brush, and they're not all terrorists, we know the majority of those coming are going to be women and children. charles: i don't know that, i don't know that. >> 10,000 coming liz: america is an open arm society, we welcome immigrants and people want too help refugees. the way that the president comes out teacher, faculty lounge and finger wagging and guilt on your head. i hear about the polls and

you're scared out there, we in the administration are-- >> i totally take that-- liz: say that instead of finger wagging. >> i think he was using this as an opportunity for sure to put information out there, to tell people who we are as a country. charles: at some point, jessica. >> that's the same thing, the statue of liberty says very specific about our natural character. charles: let us celebrate thanksgiving as america instead of a platform. there's nothing sacred for president obama. >> it doesn't matter what day of the year is, people are in still a terrible situation and coming here and we need to make sure we have the right safety protections and uphold american values the way we treat liz: and they agree with american values as well. charles: keep america safe first and foremost. >> 100%. and i don't think the president would disagree with that. charles: we've got a huge security threat, tsa, a male

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>> take a look at that quote. that's a national bank of greece. the national bank of greece. 16 cents this morning, halted trading. wow, things have not gotten better there. under amour stock trading lower, a downgrade on wednesday. it's black friday, we want to look at target, they came out probably with the most exciting news overnight, reporting strong sales number, in stores a on line and up fractionally. wal-mart, the shoppers are out in force, however, that stock is trading lower along with the broader market. now to this, a sex offender in utah stole a woman's boarding

pass and managed to get through airport security. this is scary stuff. >> yeah, michael salava, 61 years old. pleaded no contest to exposing himself at a children's playground in utah. he goes into the salt lake city airport. he steals a woman's paper boarding pass, goes through the gates and convinces them that it was printed accidentally and he's a man and that they actually printed a woman's boarding pass and he only southwest, the people there stopped him. not the tsa. how did they stop them? the woman came in and said here is my boarding pass on my smart phone. again, the tsa failed at security and we found last year from the gao, the sort of watch dog group, letting people in with weapons and one had an explosive taped to his back and got through. they failed that big test. and that's right. in the world when the tsa wants to unionize making it more difficult to fire workers like

this, you know, the guys in congress, the republicans on this are saying, enough is enough, tsa, we're going to crack down. charles: they've got a tough job, but i think they make it tougher for themselves patting down granny. leaders in france holding a memorial service and this is the first official memorial for the paris attack and the whole country today in mourning. and this, after an attack on prayer, an attack on prayer, rather, a free speech. a new ad features the lord's prayer, banned from u.k. movie theaters. they don't want people upset about other things. and we've got a pastor and rabbi next. ♪ ♪ say a prayer for me now ♪ ♪ but what if you could see more of what you wanted to know?

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>> and today in paris, a special memorial service was held to honor the 130 people killed in that terrorist tack that took place two week ago today. lots of world war iii chatter going on, late, but just look at what's going on, i mean, you've got russia deploying right now at a base in syria, putin alliance and question marks we asked john bolton what we taught about the world war iii chatter. roll tape. >> as reflection chatter around the world you think it had been a world war for some time. we didn't realize it until 9/11 happened it here. >> military analyst colonel david hunt, all right kernel hunt world war iii begins with a high stake, and ambassador

bolton points out perhaps it was 9/11 when world war iii actually began. >> yes, ambassador is a or very smart guy, but yeah we've been fighting -- in a world war for 14 years. we bond iraq for 2 years. two democratic, two republican presidents we've been at this war for 14. we, the world is not treating this as a world war. nothing like we did world war ii for example it is only a small number of people that have fought this. we don't have skin in in game. when the world is not participating they're allowing other it is to do this. so yeah we're in a world war. not fighting it look that which is why stuart we're not winning, but we're losing it. >> here's the thing colonel hunt when will we fight, does america need? we've dropped 8,000 bombs, but to your point this is not a

traditional war or the kind of thing where we've rallied up up troops saying we're going to deploy and defeat but president obama uses word contain. how can we win this once and for all? >> when people talk about going into syria your kids going, we have to have some kind of national service. that means to me, that everyone qowld serve in some capacity for two years at the high school, some kind of draft part of it could be the merle. but there's no skin in the game here. there's 440 plus federal agency it is in united states government. i want all 440 towards this war on terror. we've got to make them know it is military. isis is an a example of an organization question of to kill. but we won't get at the root cause of all of this and the country like iran, russia that is supporting terror we're not

approaching this as world war. but approaching it as sending special on, drone, and to our surprise is not working. >> leak we fight this as a crime against like organized crime rather than organized nation state that controls 200 million wort of farming >> every year 10 worth of oil every year dispatch terror to every corner of the earth yet it feels to your point that so many people are asleep at the wheel theg perhaps it won the happen here or in the case of the white house having sympathy for these guys. i think that's one of the big problems colonel. we can't have this sort of sympathy that is just because the earth is warmer or there's no job out there. how can we destroy them if we don't see them as the real evil that they are? >> the issue is, of course, administration is snot doing this right. i get it. but keep saying for 14 years we've been doing this wrong. it is just current

administration is one we're dealing with and it is bad and not working. but regs of the world is brought into this. let me give a quick one, the hour ofitrain them and throw thm into yemen you can't get anymore confused or uncoordinated than that. that's the problem unstabilized it krpght like iraq -- unstable countries, organization like isis which has its own country and all we're doing in the world is bombing. not getting other aspect of this leak religion and economic, policy. >> they don't drive their own cab or clean -- they import all of the workers so why not import their mercenary as well. it hasn't worked and probably won the. we appreciate your expertise have a great thanksgiving weekend. >> thank you. >> disney guys we heard the news is bad now starting to get numbers to it. 3 million people have cut the

cord dropping espn you crunch numbers in annual revenue, and those core cutting fears now hitting all media stock you can see disney thyme juaner down as well, cbs also lower this morning, it is a huge issue for the industry. we've got to figure it all out. now to this. the british prides themselves of free speech but you have it attack a look at what's happening over there. church of england produced commercial. commercial was for a prayer. the lrd's prayer. church leaders thought you know what, let's bring that moment of calm, spiritual reflection to a terror. run in a theater see how it was played in -- a new "star wars" movie or it would. anyway, they were refused they were told that it would cause offense to those with differing states. joining us now is rabbi evan greg lauri gentleman thank you both for joining me. i'll start with rabbi moffett

are we taking this too far when one religion can't, can't issue out a general message of harmony, of prayer of good will because it may offend some other religion? >> absolutely. i watched the video. i thought it was beautiful. it didn't me any offense as a rabbi or offense as somebody who -- may be going to the theater to watch a movie. it's a beautiful message about prayer and forgiveness and gratitude, and to see that as offensive mind boggling to me. i loved the message, in fact, as a u jew, lord's prayer is nothing offensive at all. if there was a commercial saying you know urging baptism or let's say from a jewish permit itive o eat kosher food that would raise different questions but this is simply a message about prayer, and gratitude and forgiveness. i loved it. >> past tore lauri on both sides of the atlantic there's been a big --

largely successful move by atheist and others to push back religion, all religion. and i think some time they use guys the first attempt or offense of other religion to that. i think that's what this is really all about. >> it really is. i think it's a bigger issue here. this is just -- i don't know who these people are that are banning this particular prayer. but the prime minister has weighed in on this. individuals, richard a well known atheist has come out and said there's no reason they should ban this prayer. but you know, this prayer girch by jesus really an answer to his disciples they said lord teach us to pray isn't just a great prayer to pray but really that model for all for jesus after this matter therefore you should pray, and most people are knowing part of the lord's prayer because it is so powerful. >> rabbi thank you pastor for that there's a being question. these movie cinema, theaters,

they're privately owned. they're privately operated a debate over how much responsibility an how they should be governed as public bodies. you know, some are saying that, you know, religious speech in movie theaters should be restricted just look tobacco and alcohol advertising is restricted. what do you think of those -- positions there? >> well, i think they're outrageous, you know, i can understand the other side. i can understand somebody who may be raising their child with no religion an they come to the threat or maybe they say wow, this is for religion. but then you know what, i think that's a good educational tool. that means that family can then discuss what do we believe, do we say this prepare or not say this prayer? there's nothing offensive about it. good advertising is provocative to a degree, and so i don't know why a advertising company could discriminate against say

religious speech but allow an ad saying oak, you know buy newest car to impress your friend. this is a beautiful ad and yes, maybe had it is provocative for some people but that's okay. it leads to wonderful conversation. >> well guys a ran boy and pastor come on fox business and make both great sense. thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> live from times square crowds are eager to get their hands on some of that new "star wars" gear. we're there live next, also we're going to take a looks at this. by friday turning people against people, now this is a brawl that broke out in can i. we have something that might top this. more varney next. a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive?

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>> we all need to run. >> that was a new "star wars" trailer, i tell you i'm getting excited it be. lements head out to toys are us because in times square that's where real excitement is charl is there for this black friday. any of that "star wars" stuff left? >> i'm so excited that i want to be a jedi yoda. he's going to respond. anyway, this is yoda moving, one of the hottest things we're seeing that and millennium falcon this is expected to be one of the hottest sellers really hit the camera sorry. that is one of the hottest sellers here at toys"r"us, of course, you've got your lightsaber you're going down kids. there's also things that you can buy. we're in the "star wars" section at toys are us, and anyway, so this is most popular section with all of the kids walking around. the fact that -- the kids with cameras because they're so excited to see toys from "star wars" you can get

some of the figurines here's flying falcon that you saw almost hit my cameraman that's $99 and then yoda himself more interested in me than looking at the camera that is $99 these are black friday deals immaterial to point out. you have also the new -- old r2d2 but the robot, and also they've got a lot of things they're putsing on sale so they opened up 5 p.m. all night. but i have to tell you handle down. i've been checking stuff out to see hot test toys are. it is all-star wars charles. mate force be with you. go do some battle. >> pick me up one of those millennial falcon, any that's what i want. >> i want to be a jedi yoda. >> interesting relationship. a new record, though, for online sales on thanksgiving. 1.7 billion that's a record, in

fact, a record amount of people using mobile phones, feel line maybe this is the year -- >> retailers getting sea legs back for exactly reasons you and cheryl discussed. "star wars" will save the holiday shopping season up 23.3% the last who who horra and starn 2016 through 2019. >> but what i'm looking at -- for all of the hype of online, it is still a small fraction of overall shopping, isn't it? >> still a small fraction depending on the retailer and category of trade that's between an eighth to a 7th. so -- it is still most meaningful. >> so how does -- how do retailers survive? now we're seeing names macy's was a stock that never went down. wal-mart was a beast. i mean, we're seeing retail name

this is year get crushed as if they'll never come back. >> they need to stop sacking their veteran great merchant and bricking in kids out of college making mistakes you go across the department store sec for and especially it is funeral home colors whether you go to kohl's. whether you go to -- >> a great point. in other words i remember when it was cc stocks and there was computer city and best buy best buy eating lurnlg so they decided to fire their best salespeople because therm making too much money. >> and then this company went out of business. how dumb is this? don't they realize what they're doing? >> they don't. they go to target, the christmas stuck in a dead corner. between ugly looking luggage and motor oil. adjacent across the department, nobody is really set up for christmas to shearl and your segment, "star wars" toys"r"us is making the comeback of the year followed by jcpenney.

but even h&m struggle most popular colors are red, blue, followed by black, and white. and you see it just a lot of muted brown, muted purple, pail pastel colors that don't connect with consumers, that doesn't matter what the temperature is all of the time. you have to have good fashion in front of people, and there's a sea and a lot of lowsy fashion colors. >> it will save the day. >> "star wars" will save the season your point. >> burt you're one of the best buddy you've been out there all night. >> all night every year. got to get the detail retail. >> that's it my man. you're one of the best. chicago protesters targeting black friday. jesse jackson is bunch of protesters that go down a significant mile he's calling this a major demonstration. we're going to check in because we're going to be there on the ground, and you have to listen to this. would you propose a diamond, would you tell men out there

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>> you believe climate change is happening, the idea that showing solidarity and paris on this issue can somewhat translate to an impact on the premier islamist army of our time -- >> that was what we saw last week in france, it was isis jump the shark. because prior to that it was publishing we in the west assured isis snt coming after us but preoccupied in the middle east. what they showed in paris is they're cooling to us. next shark to jump is in the united states. >> well those are some of the highlights of the past two hours. check this out yet another holiday brawl. holly jolly fistfight between two shoppers kicking i have a black friday they wrestled each other to the ground. police broke up the at least 30

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aboveground. >> so you're doing what needs a plane ya industries to do but six to ten week. how much do these diamonds cost? >> typically pure ground diamonds are 30 to 40% less than earth mine diamonds so average engagement ring shoppers spend 5,000 on a one carat stone, now they're going to spend $3,000 which leaves them a lot of money for their honeymoon. >> that's a good point. you've got here pink, white diamonds. here's the thing. the headline of one of the story was would you propose with a lab growing timed, in other words that foam want, you know, the. and the diamond that's engrained to have the real thing. how do you fight back? >> actually this is a real thing, and you can say that you care even more because there are additional features and benefits our diamonds are ecofriendly. conflict free. besides being type two a diamonds which means they're

more bright, type two 8 diamonds are only 2% of earth mine diamonds. >> so let's back up. you're saying that your diamonds are on the level of the rare diamonds bright is that what you're saying? >> 2% of earth mine diamonds so they are very rare extremely bright. >> getting back to ecofriendly you mentioned blood diamond. i hear what you're saying that people are concerned that diamonds are mined and regions of the world with a lot of war and conflict you're hearing from your shoppers that yes they are, you know, that resonates with them? >> especially with millennial shop terse in tune with technology and innovation, and they're extremely socially responsible. >> okay. thank you so much for lisa pure grown diamonds interesting stuff. thank you for joining us. we have the third hour of varney & company coming up next. don't go away.

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>> 11:00 a.m. here on the east coast, i'm charles payne in for stuart varney. we're going to go to chicago, protesters over that police shooting death of a teenager. planned on the city's famous magnificent mile, that's that shopping district, we'll take you there live. the fbi is now tracking 48 individuals in the what links to the islamic state. we have a guest who says isis has arrived in america. and those syrian migrants, just like the pill grams. "varney & company" hour three starts right now. ♪ ♪ charles: checking the big board, we were off 60 points, we're off 20 right now. let's take a look at the big names, nike opened at a new all-time high for those shares. unfortunately, not the same thing for disney.

now we're starting to get clarification on what happened to this cord cutting, they lost 3 million espn subscribers. and oil, no geopolitical premium there, $42.10, so sound the trumpets. overnight your national average for a gallon, $2.05 go ahead and fill her up and drive around the country. here's a reason to do all of your shopping at home this year. occasionally black friday shoppers can do this. forget about mma, this is good stuff, throwing down punches, police finally did break up the fight. lasted 30 seconds but pretty exciting. we don't know why it happened, but, liz, you have numbers just how much excitement is going on. >> the fighting, you have the adrenaline rush; right? from

getting a bargain and then it turns into a holly jolly fistfight. i'm not excising it, but that's what's going on. people are shelling out more in way of money, it surpassed 1.7 billion according to one survey. still not anywhere near china's alibaba single's day, but to prepare to go into the shopping malls and hit that number hit so high, 1.7, that shows you -- there's not a retail ice age just yet. charles: all right. not yet. the protesters could disrupt black friday shopping today. that's how chicago's magnificent mile, let's go to jeff flock, he's live with the latest. jeff. >> yeah, hey, you there? charles? charles: yeah. >> you got me? charles: i've got you, buddy,. >> i'm in the rain here and in a mess, i've got reverend

jackson here talking with police officers, you see the scene out here, we talked about the weather all morning, just talked to reverend jackson who said i don't know what the weather is going to do to this turnout but he feels the spirit of this remains pretty important. i'm going to listen in if i can. >> reverend jackson, i don't mean to interrupt you with the police officers here, but i've got to get your thoughts as we're about an hour away from what you see as a very significant day. >> well, we challenge the behavior and the culture of the police. you know, one police killed -- it was this infraction and he was still on the payroll. solved the killing and never reported it was the murder it was. so that's culture, but the culture must change.

independent of the political process here. >> took a year; right? >> yeah, and it seemed to me those the mayor and the police chief and the state's attorney who saw the tape and held it back must have paused the investigation by the federal government of who did what when? and the people deserve to know. >> do you think this what you're planning today, you want to shut down black friday on michigan avenue. do you think that's the appropriate venue to make your case? >> there's several layers, one the children education and educate people. second the legal on rebel on some of the tapes. economic leverage so that the whole city must say that this behavior is unacceptable. we're going to march until there's a change in the police department. and to those who have

suppressed the take. >> there are suggestions that mayor emmanuel may have sat on this tape until he was reelected. do you think there's anything to that? >> well, we do not could you say of anybody, we need to know -- i say hard to believe that $5 million was given out before there was even a charge, we don't know. sure the mayor has responsibility but so does the governor. this is illinois. the governor in south carolina, governor after the charleston night moved together to bring down the flag. here the governor cannot be detached from the process. >> realizing it's a totally different situation. 9-year-old boy who was killed, we've made a big flap about this. are you concerned what happens every day in this city -- >> it's not in the form that have been killed 75% and 2700

have been shot. there's an interesting set of dynamics that occurred the last few days, number one after the tape was made public, the guy who shot the boy the police was fired three years later and now the killer of the 9-year-old has been charged. so there's a full array of resolution now but in the face of tremendous pressure. >> some people say black on black crime doesn't get very much attention whereas white on black crime gets a lot of attention. do you think that's true? >> well, the nature of the crime is one issue but the crime itself. if you and i were in a fight man to man, and they called the police and engaged in a another level of behavior they must accept the most responsibility. >> i think everyone agrees there. reverend, thank you for your time as always. reverend jessie jackson who has been organizing this and we're about an hour away, charles, and not an ideal day

for it but you heard the reverend articulate his thoughts. charles: great stuff there. we're going to be talk about that as well. man on man, we want to let people know there was a suspect arrested in the murder of tishon lee and there will be protesters over the police shooting of a killing it of a teenager. we're joined now by david clark. david clark, this rally full headed up by jessie jackson is an extension of the black lives matter push if you will and this is something you've been highly critical of. >> yeah. it highlights the self centeredness and the selfishness. the people who are going to participate in the tradition of the magnificent mile, the retail that goes on in that area had nothing to do with the chicago police shooting. many of those people are from out of town, they're not even

from the state of illinois, the city of chicago, and the retailer goes on down there has nothing to do with city government. this is an exploitation of a situation and once again jessie jackson tries to totally dismiss the black on black crime, 443 homicides to date, including the 9-year-old you mentioned and he has the judgment to stand in what he calls the police culture, but he didn't talk about the culture on the black on black crime. the black criminals and all the violence that goes on in the city of chicago, of many law-abiding citizens down there, that's no big deal but every once in a while we have an anomaly like we have here and, by the way, this officer still retains his presumption of innocence, he has not been convicted of anything. i saw the tape. anyone who says that somebody walking down the street within the lung area of police

officers with a knife is not a threat does not understand the nature of policing and the reasonable law enforcement officer standard. but they process that i talk about that i believe in are criminal justice process, they'll figure this out, and i believe they'll get it right. charles: okay. and you would be okay. ultimately the criminal process. they said that this police officer was out of line, then you will respect that? >> i will respect it but, you know, there's appeal rights -- this is a long way from being solved. but i'm not going to allow anybody in the united states to take these outliers if you will, these situations and they're all tragic where a law enforcement engages in something that makes us raise our eyebrows. we haven't heard from this officer but i'm not going to let them use this as prima facie evidence as a culture of policing and in policing we

reject that sort of thing. we base things on the constitution on the police officer's standard. i don't know what that officer was thinking at the time. i haven't heard from him but until that happens, then we have to presume that this officer is -- charles: just like any other american. you're absolutely right. we've gone past our time but i do want to also agree with you. you used the word exploit. i do feel, unfortunately, too that they're exploiting the black experience like the montgomery boycott and rosa parks. i appreciate any time you're on. thanks a lot. have a great thanksgiving weekend. >> you too and merry christmas, charles. charles: thank you. you said it tuesday, president obama's failure, it's hard not to agree with that and the next president, they're going to have to cleanup this mess. take a listen. stuart: his policies have been a disaster, it's the people will have to live with the legacy of what is essentially a failed

presidency. charles: joining me now officer of unlikable -- ed, you wrote the book on hillary. she's trying to distance herself from president obama, not an easy act to do. >> not at all. she said she wants to arms the kerds and the syrian rebels, she wants a no fly zone, which obama does not want, she wants a transpacific -- which is president obama's signature policy achievement. but i believe hillary and obama have two conflictive goals. obama came into office with a single goal, which was to transform this country into a european style social estate. charles: sure. >> he was advised by a whole group of historians that he brought to the white house, robert carol, robert dalic, all the historians that

presidents got involved in foreign conflicts, truman in korea, johnson in vietnam, bush in iraq, they all lost their governing coalition and if he did that, if he got involved in foreign affairs. charles: but you don't think it's something more than that, that he's truly a globalist thinker that we're not much better than the rest of the world so it's time to stop patting ourselves on the back? i understand the strategic aspect in this but i believe in his heart and soul he doesn't believe in american exceptionalism. >> i think you're absolutely correct. every single example you just said is yet another example of his lack of understanding that america is, in fact, the essential leader in this world. charles: right? >> without it the whole global system starts to collapse and that's exactly what -- charles: ed, thank you very much. appreciate it. more varney next

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stuart: new poll, 40% of millennials say they would oppose free speech if it's offensive. millennial charlie kirk says one of the problems lies within the university professors. >> they're so hell-bent that they don't want any disagreement, they want dogmatic on our youth, it's scary, alarming and the parents should be up and arms in what's going on in these schools. charles: emily joins me now. do you think charlie's right on this? this is all sort of -- not only being given a green pass -- green light rather by these university professors but they're stoking the antifirst amazement thinking out there. >> absolutely and i just graduated from college this past may, and i can tell you

it's 100% coming from the top down, these numbers sound surprising but they should not surprise anyone because we've given these professors decades -- there's an ideological monopoly on our campuses and they want the government to cuddle them just like the president. liz: when you have chris rock or jerry seinfeld saying what you know? we don't want to go to college campuses because there's this monolithic way of thinking, do you think that's a turning point that people are waking up realizing that these are nonprofits and making students thinking one way not for free speech or debate? >> absolutely. the left has lost its edge; right? because the left has the stereotype of into kids and pop culture and it's dereflecting from the left, we work with students every day, we see it every day students come to us with free speech issues because the left is

trying to cleanse their campuses of any conservative thought or any dissenting thought. they're creating this left of kindergarten. essentially that's what it's. charles: when they do come to you and, say, listen, we're frustrated even if there's progressive leaning but they understand the nature what made this country great, first and foremost free speech, what -- how is this tide going to be turned because right now it's an avalanche. >> yeah. well, we really try to embolden them to feel confident because that's where it starts if there's a student bold enough in class to say this is what i believe in, that can change everything on campus. i did it myself, they tried to kick me off campus saying we don't have mandatory training, and we overnighted a box full of everything you need to know

about the constitution. i see a change and i'm really optimistic about seinfeld and rock in that trend. charles: thank you very, very much and keep up the good fight. that is a huge, huge hurdle. but we appreciate the efforts you're putting into it. thanks a lot, emily. do you remember the dow was off 60 points about an hour ago? it's flat right now but making a huge come back despite some of the big names coming down. we've got a big story we're following for you out of chicago, protesters demonstrating against the shooter, threatening to shut down the city's biggest shopping district, we're going to take you there live when they do. and girlfriend goes to court and said he's unable to make difficult decisions is the 94-year-old too old to run one of the country's leading media countries. we'll talk about it more after s want bladder leak underwear that moves like you do?

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brewing, this according to a new lawsuit filed by his ex-girlfriend, manual herzer,cos he's in constant care and can no longer make decisions on his own. this is a heck of a story. liz: it is because he's the controller of vicom and cbs, when he passes away, the shares go to the grandchildren. by the way, she was overseeing his health care, living in his beverly hills mansion, got kicked out of the mansion and then filed this -- made this filing in court. she's saying he lacks the mental capacity to sign things. and that's a big deal. she essentially is saying that he is failing in his health and that she should still be there to assist him. now, his side of the aisle is saying riddled with lies

despicable invasion of privacy. so, again, we see red stone's personal life in, you know, out in the open. charles: yeah, he's become controversial over the last few years, the same complaints -- carry around from room to room, trying to have sex every single day but still doesn't have the capacity to run these major corporations. he has dueling girlfriends, him and another girlfriend seem to flip-flop with each other, outside that relationship and of course shareholders because he does call the shots; right? liz: that's right and vicom stock is down 30% over the year. some of the quotes remained fixated on having sex on a daily basis and eating steak, despite his doctor's warnings. when you have full spectrum coming out about your personal life, you've got to say when is the rest of the family going to step in? charles: when i'm 92, i'll ignore certain doctors orders

too. the fbi using an elite team to track 42 suspected isis members here in the united states or as president obama would say the homeland. already arrived here at home and we're also keeping an eye on chicago, you can see crowds starting to gather there, major protesters threatening to shut down that city's magnificent mile, a shopping district on black friday. going to go live to the windy cy

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should we feel this is good, law enforcement is doing a good job or should we think we're more worried than we thought. >> well, we issued a report released just earlier this week that states the facts very bluntly. we have in the last 18 months 82 suspects arrested in the united states linked to isis and if the disturbing part of that if you break down who these people were and what their intentions, we found out a third of those intercepted here on u.s. soil had no intention of traveling to the middle east or fight for isis in iraq or syria, they had decided that the best way to be a jihadi was to kill americans on u.s. soil. so this latest report, i commend katherine for carrying out with it. it shouldn't surprise anybody. we know the threat is here on u.s. soil. charles: we understand that there's a greater pull of 1,000 people who may have sympathies and then there's these 48.

how do we distinguish between them? is it a trip to syria and coming back? how do we separate them, call them from the other suspects? >> well, we shouldn't be separating them. all of them should be of interest to our law enforcement authorities. we have a figure that was accessed by the great people at judicial watch. it was communication between a state law enforcement agency and the federal government in which it was lifted. that there are over 900 on going isis investigations in america, and we know the fbi director himself who testified that they are now on going investigations in every state of the union. so, you know, amazingly that includes alaska, that includes hawaii. so wherever they are, if that person has operational connections to isis or simply is posting on facebook and twitter their sympathy for isis, that is already a

problem. charles: i've got to tell you, though, heats that's it big news, 82 killed or arrested this year. i don't think anyone has mentioned that number. i want to ask you this. we've got a picture now of the son of turkey's leader showing up here on twitter somehow he's helping isis sell oil and point-blank turkey has been buying this oil, where does this put us and how much validity do you put it? >> well, we know turkey has been a problem for several years now. we have a government there that really quite fundamentalist and outlooks towards islam and under mind incredible heritage that separates the politics, and religion in and we know most of the fight is coming from the west. they're flying to anchor, they're flying and crossing unimpeded into iraq and syria.

so they're part of the problem maybe they're waking up now but remember this is a nato ally that hasn't been acting very much likely an an eye in recent years. charles: trying to turn back that turkey did in terms did in terms of separation of state and the nature of conquering the rest of the world, and it seems he can't make up his mind where he wants to be on this but a lot of people believe he has a lot of sympathies for those folks and to your point. have a great weekend. >> thank you very much. charles: thanks a lot. with the threat of terrorism in the back of people's minds, what are stores doing? we have peter barns, and he happens to be in arlington, virginia. peter. >> hey, charles that's right we're at the fashion center of pentagon city and the place has really filled up just in the last couple of hours and heading into the lunchtime

hour and the folks here are here for the promotions. there's no question about it. if you walk by all of these storefronts, you see 30%, 40%, 50% off. sometimes 60%. the mall is trying to get the word out through social media, they're on facebook, on twitter, they've also got their own app for black friday -- for the holiday shopping season, including black friday specials, more than 100 stores have put out their specials on deals for the app on pentagon city. we talked to one mother and daughter who went on the website for macy's yesterday before they came to the macy's here today. here's what they said. >> macy's had really good deals for us this year. so we went in, got some of the door busters before they ran out. >> i don't think i heard the word door busters and -- in a decade or so.

but it's working and we've got folks out here in the mood to spend. charles. charles: all right, peter, thank you very, very much. started the holiday shopping season, officially underway. christian cook is joining us, managing editor. christian, who's the big winner? whose going to be the big retail winner this year? >> i would definitely say target this year hands down has just really been the most aggressive as far as the major retailers. they came out really strong with their black friday advertised prices and this whole week been under cutting themselves, been beating their low prices ever since sunday and continuing through today, and i think they're going to have a really big cyber monday as well. so they've just been hands down the best. charles: of course they talked up -- they said it was a huge day for them, a record day for them, and in many respects, it also shows that they're trying to differentiate themselves what happens with walmart and

the about ad news there. but we've got target getting back into this mojo, who will be the runners up? >> best buy was pretty strong this year, especially earlier. a lot of these black friday sales actually start way before black friday now. we've been -- just been a whirlwind since wednesday proposal they came out really strong with lots of great hdt vs, had really good bose headphones and amazon started slow but really picked things up as of last night. they came out with $95 caser chrome book, which is one of the cheapest laptops we've ever seen. they had unlocked smartphones on really good deals, just lots of great coupons. charles: before i let you go, who's been lackluster? who missed this thing? >> for sure walmart. their whole strategy of trying to say that they're going to have less deals but have them in stock for longer i just don't think worked at all.

they've been more expensive for target for pretty much all the big hot items this year. so not great. charles: 2009 my mother told me walmart prices ain't walmart prices no more. i guess she's right. >> yeah. charles: thanks a lot. we'll get you back later. thank you very much. really appreciated it. >> okay. thank you. charles: a small blip forced to make an emergency landing right here on long island. there it is. along at that. wow what happened? liz: what happened was this gentleman -- the pilot of this, he was at the macy's parade, he felt that there was a fuel issue and landed it behind a school in farming daily, long island. nobody was hurt but it was a heck of a thing for locals to look up and see the blimp making this emergency landing. again, the pilot was not injured, he was worried about the aircraft and felt that he needed to land it -- needed to get to a refueling station.

charles: did he let the air out then? is that how you land those things? liz: i'm not sure. charles: well, we had that run away blimp. do you remember that big military blimp that broke two or three weeks ago, they had to shoot that down. so these crazy blimp stories going around. liz: and the drone one russian guy was flying a drone over the thanksgiving day parade, he got a summons for some time, he was looking for aerial footage according to the cops. this man was trying to land the blimp at a local airport and needed to land it more rapidly. charles: that's something to see. and we're going to go back out live to chicago, protesters are threatening to shut down the country's ritziest shopping district. we're going to have a live repot

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intelligent, there's a fingerprint and then that thing uses a chip inside of a ring, that guy is jonathan, third generation gun maker, great gun, quality. but the huge issue comes out of a law in new jersey that's controversial that was done in 2002. an idiotic law that says any gun owner in the state of new jersey sells a smart gun at one particular time that they must always sell smart guns and online smart guns. it's ridiculous. charles: it kind of sounds like there's political motivation. >> there's a lot of. it was designed aas an incentive to sell smart guns, nra, gun owners saying wait a minute, don't screw with our guns web like them the way they are, we want to have our decision and not have the government tell us we want to have a smart gun. so that slowed all of this down. now ron conway, silicon valley who has done well with

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charles: we're waiting protests in chicago officially supposed to start in nine minutes, let's go to jeff flock because they're getting big and loud. >> you said it and i believe we're going to start early here, perhaps you can see there's reverend jackson. this is not just a crowd of fringe protesters, i see two

congressman in the crowd, a number of religious leaders as well, perhaps you see reverend jackson there, to his left is davis. and to reverend jackson's right who's hidden for my moment but take my word it's bobby rush, also democratic senator from chicago. a number of religious leaders as well. we've swelled here in the last -- i would say 20 minutes or so to a crowd of several hundred -- i don't know if our picture does it justice. we're down here on the ground amid's them and perhaps you're not able to see. we're right here -- this orientation -- that's the wriggly building, the wriggly building in chicago and that's the tribune tower, the chicago tribune tower there we're arrayed on a area called

pioneer court and that is where the march is beginning. it's unclear to me at this point whether they will attempt to march down the middle of michigan avenue, which would in effect shut it down and that perhaps you hear the chant in the background shutting it down. but maybe more to your left, you see the -- a line of police officers, i think there's going to be some attempt for the police to keep them from marching down the million dollars of michigan avenue based on what i see in terms of the police raid here. let me try to get back again to see if we're close. maybe they are going to go on time. david, are you with me? where we going here? perhaps we're lost. so there you go. let me try to get back to the front again but they've now got it ringed off so we -- you know, i think you heard reverend jackson's comments earlier, he told me off camera that he was a little bit concerned that this weather out here today might have some chilling affect on this protest but at the moment, i

can't see the big picture, so i can't give you an exact count, but it is a fairly large number of protests that have concerned out on a very difficult day. so we'll watch it. charles: let me ask you, jeff, you mentioned the police are positioned there perhaps stop them from marching down the middle of magnificent mile. reverend jackson has been arrested at a lot of protesters, doubtful that the protesters are okay with being arrested? or could this insight something a little bit more confrontational? >> i would say that based on the organizers, including reverend jackson as well as the religious reverends that have helped organize this, they want this tobe nonviolent. they would like to shut the street down but they don't want there to be violence. we had earlier in some

protests where some were ripping down christmas decorations. here i don't think this is their aim. apparently they're trying to start something in terms of a march. again, where it goes, the police have said we're not going to try to join anyone's first amendment rights, if you want to march, you can march, but you can't break the law, and presumably that means you can't stop traffic. we're right here at the front of the line and it appears -- yeah, it appears the march is beginning. we are beginning. and being led by reverend jackson, by congressman danny davis, congressman bobby rush, i see and it -- well. charles: jeff, is there a designated lane been created, have the police made barriers? or are they going to determine

the route they take themselves? >> they will allow the marchers to march on the sidewalk, that may be enough but i see the marchers attempting to march out into the middle of michigan avenue. although i tell you if you're trying to shut down the stores, you might be better marching on the sidewalk than you would be marching on the street. you know, most of the traffic is foot traffic. so there you go. reverend jackson i think is about to address the crowd. let's listen. he's trying to get some quiet. let's see what he has to say. >> can i have your attention? a key to what we are doing with our agenda is discipline and focus and sacredness. 450 people have been killed this year, 2700 shot this year.

the violence to kill our childs, and they are also in the case of in the board firing through years later. so all of that is a part of this, but it only matters if we're focused to mass registration. economic problem, coalition, we, the people, can win, graveyards. crush, rise again. we want, we knew, fully achieved, an infrastructure, a new and in independence prosecutor, we want, federal, intervention oversight, who know what about the tape when

who covered it up in the cover-up. wednesday transparency. we march down michigan avenue again and again, again, and again until something's happened. we'll use our marching feet, our research, the law, the commitment, and our power this year we will not shop until we drop. we will drop before we shop unless justice is done. will lead us in prayer. will lead us in prayer come on, come on, come on. >> he's asking for reverend meeks, who is former state legislature and pastor of pilgrim on the west side.

reverend has not lost his talk. >> and rush was supposed to be dead that night. he survived. he is still here, thanks god. so we've been here before. not here before follow the line because this is a replay of a old record with a new cover on it. lead us in prayer. >> our father with we love you, we're counting on you, we thank you so much for all of the people who come out today, demonstrate our outweighed. we put matters into your hand. we pray now that you would be with us, with us, every step of the way. we honor you, and we thank you for our brothers and our sisters, we thank you for all of the young people. >> reverend james meeks there who made it to the state legislature and became a

number of the state legislature and said i need to do what i need to do on the street rather than be in the state legislature. i can do more on the streets. reverend jackson again. >> you all come a little. >> perhaps they are in the midst of organizing the beginning of this march, which is just about to start here. we've had the prayer, we've had the admonition from reverend jackson and we are starting to move again, it's unclear to me at this point whether we will attempt to go down the center of michigan avenue or whether we will be walking on the sidewalk, which i think would be more