to accept refugees into the state. thanks for being with us. general jack keane among our guests. good night from new york. kennedy: breaking news. we are expecting an update from the san bernardino police department on yesterday's shooting massacre. we are waiting for the motive and learning whether the killers have ties to terrorism. we have the latest on the investigation from catherine herridge and reaction from gregg gutfeld, montel williams and much, much more including you. we plan to get to you tonight because i'm watching so many people get it so wrong, and there is much we still don't know. gross overreaction falls flat and it's dangerous. as leftists took to twitter

calling for action and more gun control, it was the knuckle dragging prayer shamers who create an unnecessary die cot smi between. the daily neuse news -- the daily news said god isn't fixing this. history is filled with examples of liberties trampled and lives ruined with emotionally motivated regulation. a woman hiding as her co-workers ran for their lives. she called for prayers. i didn't know the nra were funding southern california bomb

factories. marty needs to pull his foot out of his mouth long enough to wipe the egg off his face. talk about keeping your people safe when your peeps are shooting up america. i'm pretty sure they woke up in hell. so don't get ahead of yourself. if you want to stay safe, get a gun. now let's get to the facts. joining me with the latest on the ground is fox news correspondent adam who isly. how are you, adam? reporter: hey, kennedy, how you doing? kennedy: what's the latest in san bernardino. reporter: there is a home in nearby corona, california, i'm told the f.b.i. is there. they are securing the facility. it was somehow attached to somebody related to the killers

yesterday. that's kind of interesting and they are not willing to go on the raid route yet. but the assumption is there could be some sort of bomb-making terms because of what they found in the car, at the scene of the murder and here in redland, california where they live. but the bigger piece of news is this is going a different path. they continue to believe this is terrorism as you know. they are telling me this. they are saying they believe these two individual went for a soft target yesterday, and it's part of a plan that a lot of terrorists use. they go for the soft target first to make sure they get a successful attack, then they go for the more difficult target. if the more difficult target doesn't pan out, they already have one success. they believe they went for that soft target knowing they would cause significant carnage.

if they were heading to a second location to inflict more carnage, that would make sense considering the weapons and magazines they had for their weapons and the pipe bombs found in different locations. it's believed there was a second intended tarring net this attack yesterday. they don't know if it was on the same day or exactly where it was going to be, that's the theory as they continue their investigation. >> with so much digital and physical evidence, it will be no surprise if this circle widens. reporter: absolutely. i have had authorities tell me they believe syed contacted social media groups. it's not hard to believe. the saudis confirmed they were

there for nine days last year. they said she was not a saudi citizen which is interesting. and the pakistani connection authorities talked about. they went to pakistan. there is a lot here to investigate. there is a number of paths not on locally but nationally and internationally and a lot of them are digital. you have to look at those variables. there is also a question about the money. how did they get the money to afford this massive amount of bomb-making material and weaponry. it has to come have somewhere and his salary probably couldn't pay for it. kennedy: though they did wage in a hot place, they left a lot behind for investigators. so it will yield a lot of information so people in california, particularly san bernardino county can rest

and sleep in peace. joining me now to make sense of the horrific shooting. it's my panel tonight. katie pavlich. steve laser and charles cook of "the national review." it's a serious night and so many questions as adam brings up. so many in fact it doesn't give us enough satisfying answers. this certainly is odd. people were looking at this as a park place shooting. but there is a huge terrorist element. what's the oddest part for you charles? >> it didn't fit the profile. you don't normally have more than one shooter. it's a guy in a trench coat he doesn't try to get away. from the beginning it looked as if it could be terrorism or a gang or mafia hit. kennedy: in southern california

they were looking to see if it was a drug hit, being a border state that's one of the first things you look for. the obvious signs of terrorism we have seen, it doesn't quite square. >> i have been reticent, i didn't want to draw conclusions. not everyone with a muslim name is a terrorist. but it does look like this was islamic terrorism. kennedy: gender is something that caught people off guard. i think people in their spare time do a lot of racial profiling and they assume terrorists are muslim men in their early 20s. i think they are surprised to hear this female accomplice, see yousyed's wife was involved. >> in america we haven't

necessarily seen women engaging in this way. but we did see in paris there was a female suicide bomber. in israel we saw a principle terrorist, 13, 14-year-old girls stabbing people in the streets. also in england as well. isis their most brutal enforcers happen to be women. in america we don't see it that way. but overall women have played a large role in contributing jihad not at the level of men but they certainly played a big role. kennedy: it's easy to get so wrapped up in the story not just with mass killing, but the world is wound from what we saw in paris. americans are still wounded from 9/11. could this still be a black swan event? >> i don't know. going to your point about women.

i'm concerned this is going to be something that will give dash some more idea on different ways they can come at us. if they are relatively good thing for law enforcement to concentrate on young men from the middle east. now they will have to concentrate on women, too and children or teenagers? i wouldn't put that past dash to do at all. i think that complicates the efforts. to bring this under control. kennedy: you haven't seen isis you haven't seen aqap, some of the formal organizations take credit for it. they use the hashtag america burning, but it doesn't seem to be a formal link to a group like this. don't think at some point someone would have raised their hands to high five themselves?

>> the one thing that gives me pause is the money. i think your correspondent suggested that. where did they get the money for this bomb. but you can find out how to stage a terrorist attack on the internet. we used to worry in the 90s that you could get the cookbook from the library. now we have bomb-making video on youtube. we can't take them down fast enough. kennedy: it's not difficult to find that stuff. you bring up the money point. did she come from a wealthy family? did she have a job? i'm going to pose these questions to catherine herridge. our breaking news coverage continues. we are expecting an update from police in san bernardino. we still don't know the motive of the shooters. we are waiting for more details. gregg gutfeld weighs in on the prayer shaping running rampant

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kennedy: a crazy scene in the inland empire in southern california. montel williams has covered mass shootings before. he wrote i speak for a living and i don't know what to say anymore. i'm done with thoughts and prayers it many hard to explain how i feel to those who haven't spent as much time with victims of mass shootings, mostly kids at schools, as i have. >> i think about those who have suffered this way over the last three, four, five years. and the victims who have to relive this all day. we have to talk about it and do the news and present it. but don't we know we are terrorizing some people who have to live through the wounds they

are dealing with 15 years say columbine and other thing that happened. that's why i got so angry. i was at a loss for word. when you see what the "post" or "daily news," prayers, they go out to everybody to survived this. we should be saying prayers of thank you to the police department in san bernardino for doing the hard work and they are still doing the work. prayers aren't enough. kennedy: when we talk about these thing we are trying to come to grips with where we are as a so sight. who is it that lives among us. not only in southern california. people all over the country are freaked out that there may be a ticking time bomb beside them and it will come to their workplace. people are trying to figure out who they work with and who they live next to. have we grown numb?

>> coming up with all these laws to figure out how to track people and put them in categories so we can make sure we control them. but we are not going to stop and talk about one of the root causes. one of these people wasn't somebody from outside. they were an american citizen born near the united states. having a right to a weapon. let's talk about something. i'll make mad because i hear you talk about more laws. let me ask you a question. there is one thing in this country right now alone that you have to go and get a license for. you have to take a test. you have to have a doctor evaluate you and have a physical evaluation to get a license to drive an automobile. last year alone automobiles killed 38,000 people in the united states. nobody come plains that you have to go to the kmv and show you

are fit to buy a car. if you sell your car to your child, you have to go to the dmv and say you did so. why do we not complain about that, but we'll complain about it when it comes to weapons. i think as a person who served in the military, my right is to protect the conversation. kennedy: montel, you are a smart person, and you are a lot smarter than that. i hate to break it to you, this is not about guns. >> i'm not make it about guns. kennedy: you are con plating the dm -- you are con plating conflating the dmv. why don't we take this opportunity to register gun owners. american citizens who can be radicalized in any direction are sitting there as your neighbor

not just ones who flew in. i believe if i have a gun -- i have 14 guns, i don't mind registering my guns. i'm a law-biding citizen. kennedy: this guy got his guns legally. should we get a bomb registry as well. ken were if you buy pounds of black powder maybe i should track the person who does so. kennedy: montel ... >> i'm not registering pipes ... kennedy: this mass murder happened in southern california -- >> there will be another one next week and the next week. kennedy: if you look at all the ways, it's almost impossible for you to acquire firearms in california. there is an incredible article listing how did is to get a gun in the state of california. go to washington, d.c.

go to chicago. go to places where there is a lot of violence and gun laws and there is a direct relation. this is not about guns montel. >> do you know you have to prove you can see, you have sight to drive a car. i'm just saying i can weed out some of the people who are so crazy just by make you walk in the door. i believe in the second amendment. you can't stop any gun owner. but i want to stop the people who don't have the mental capacity. kennedy: i want to protect myself from terrorists who might be work in the cubical next me thank you very much. i appreciate you though we may disagree on this. >> we disagree on this. it's okay, darling. >> i will come back. we need more time with this one. kennedy: coming up, greg gutfeld takes hypocrites to thanks for

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kennedy: we are waiting for that san bernardino press conference to happen. it's napping moments and we'll bring it to you live. people on the left lashed out at people offering their thoughts and prayers. gene winegarten said police slink away, you are the problem

and everyone knows it. chris murphy says your thoughts should be to stop the carnage and your prayers should be for forgiveness if you do nothing again. how off base can you get? let's ask gregg gutfeld. >> it's always a pleasure to see your beautiful face. kennedy: around rave moonshine. gregg: thank you. kennedy: it created an unnecessary dichotomy between regulationen devotion. gregg: this cities called the shot take. the desire somebody had to shock you with something so you go, wow, in his head that person is thinking i impressed somebody at another magazine or network with

my hot take. that hot take is not hot at all it's a rip-off. this an old idea. it was a desire of insecure wags and hacks to seem important. it's almost as bad as the celebrity tweets. queen * the celebrity tweets are -- kennedy: the celebrity tweets are awful. gregg: they are designed to say i'm not a shallow rich person with noing side me. he had a great restaurant. they used to eat oatmeal there. kennedy: gosh gad said howe when is enough enough beyond sad. but he offered prayers to all.

gregg: this is the i care and you don't post. this is another way to elevate you above everybody else. clearly the people purchase mad at like it when people die. you don't. you have a heart. but there were tweets in facebook where they connect themselves to the tragedy. so if there is an explosion in pittsburgh somebody will tweet i was just in pittsburgh three years ago, orn if acelebrity dies they go, i almost bought an album by them. kennedy: people had a moral responsibility to post their personal memories of paris which doesn't move our story forward. ken rrp it's about you. this is the problem with social ned works. it's a rhetorical pornography. there is no humanity it's me me, me.

it's why i love it. last night i kept myself away from twitter and then i had a few drinks and i came back and tweeted two things. you can get sucked into that. it's like a video game. you are playing ping bong a mysterious creature you are insulting. kennedy: oftentimes people want other people to tell them how great they are when they talk about gun control on facebook. my friend pam posted enough with the gun control. i come to facebook to get away from it. now i will have to let my account go dormant for a while. gregg require's an emotional argument. if they happen to be your friend and you don't like them anymore baits snuck your head. i have a friend living in london who did the same thing. screw you, i'm done with you

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kennedy: we are waiting for an update in the san bernardino police department on yesterday's massacre. first the very latest about the suspect is fox chief intelligence correspondent

catherine herridge. i'm most intrigued by this jihadi stuff. we don't know enough about her. i want to know where she is from, what kind of job did she have and what part do we know so far did she play in this massacre? reporter: the wife is really important to investigators. i spoke to three government officials are connected to the investigation and they say she is one of the primary focuses. they are questioning whether she was the factor that tipped her husband over the edge to violence and engage in terrorism. he was a spak pakistani national. they married in mecca. we were able to obtain the marriage license when they returned to california in the summer of 2014, and they married in riverside. one of the things i think i'll

say north americans don't have their mind around, they think of women in these plots being secondary or subservient role. what you see with women involved in plots overseas, they can be a driving force, a motivator keeping the men on task and on mission. so the reason i put such an emphasis on this is one of our contacts who was briefed on the case was told that co-workers of syed farook told the f.b.i. after he got married he became a different kind of person. this goes to the idea his wife was throwing gasoline on the fire of a brewing radicalization that was going on with this guy. kennedy: i want to know about her background. was she an expert bomb maker? from what we know so far about the arsenal they had in their

house, and i believe law enforcement some sort after bomb factory. when are we going to find out information about their knowing about bomb-making materials? >> we got good information pretty quickly in this investigation that went public. that there were 12 pipe bombs in the garage. you are smart to point out when you are handling that number of devices and that much explosive at you at least have some familiarity with the explosive or training. because a lot of people lose fingers handling explosives. that's part one. part two is one of the devices that was recovered near the suv were these explosives, pipe bombs that were attached to the radio toy cars. it used parts of one of those toys as a function of the detonator. it's a little complicated.

but all that matters is this is a signature design you find in thethe online magazine "inspire." it was a similar design we saw in boston with the tsarnaev brothers and the pressure cooker bomb. this is a data point that takes over to that terrorism bucket. it's al qaeda in yemen. it's been shared with isis. the assistant director with the f.b.i. in california said to reporters today that they were looking at "inspire" magazine. kennedy: they are make dangerous bombs in the presence of a a-month-old baby. we'll find out d a 6-month-old baby. was this new massacre the new normal? kt mcfarland is here. what does your gut tell you

about the relationship of this couple? >> i think it's the new normal and we are absolutely screwed because we do not have the resources to follow what's happening. the relationship between the two whether she recruited him -- any woman who is going to leave your 6-month-old baby to do a holy jihad, the mindset is different. we should not assume they think the way we do. the mindset of a radical is laivment is bring it on. we don't mind dying. in fact we want to die because we feel we have been preordained and selected by the almighty, by allah. i talked to the number two guy in iraq. he said they feel there are 18 tribes in the world. they say we are the one tribe who has been selected and preordained to kill all the other 17 tribes. we'll usher in the end of days

and that will be paradise on earth. kennedy: people worry this is the beginning of that. i'm not going to go that far. we don't know what formal links these people have to larger terror organizations. i'm sure there are leaders in isis and al qaeda that are thrilled about this and they hope there is much more of it. but we do have to figure out the funding. are there other people just like this in southern california. >> or anywhere in the country. kennedy: what about the people at their mosque? >> i have got a couple things. political correctness is getting in the way of our security. political correctness is suppose to be we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. neighbors are seeing suspicious stuff and they are not saying anything because they don't want to be politically incorrect.

kennedy: what about an intelligence failure? >> the snowden leaks, and i now and i probably disagree 0 some of this stuff. but foreign intelligence agencies stopped cooperating with us. they said you can't keep the secrets, we are not going to trust you, we are not going to share. in the united states there will be is the backlash that we are not together analytics we were doing six months ago. the f.b.i. director said it takes two dozen people, two dozen government employees to track one bad guy 24/7. we have 100 bad guys we are looking at. kennedy: you can go six jumps between one foreign phone call and every other person that suspected terrorist has talked to. the fact that the u.s. freedom

act on the went into effect on sunday, that's not an excuse. this is an intelligence failure. the community has to reexamine why this guy and his wife weren't under closer scrutiny and what else have they missed? >> i think we have to do a rethrift paradigm. there will be more and more and more of them. up next, the panel returns. liberals and conservatives clark over tightening gun control or sounding the alarm on terrorism. is it a wrong way to go? news may be coming shortly with the expected live press conference from the san bernardino police department with the latest on the massacre's investigation.

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>> we have a pattern of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world. and there are some steps we

could take not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds they don't happen as frequently. common sense gun safety laws stronger background checks. kennedy: unfortunately common sense doesn't apply to terrorists. that was the president pushing for more gun control. he struck a more measured tone today. what will happen when the dust settles? we welcome back the panel. katie pavlich, steve laser and charles cook. steve, you are the resident lefty tonight. the left had it all wrong. they tried to make it about a gun control base. but they were secretly hoping it was white supremacists haters that shot up that facility. >> i learned a big lesson

watching your show and how we come across as the left in zmeelgt aftermath, the emoting that we do rather than look at a situation and offering concrete solutions. we are not winning tonight gun control debrights that i can tell. kennedy: planned parenthood was 1.3 miles away, therefore this must have been another homegrown nut bird. >> the weaponry they had, the bombs, right away i thought this was jihadism. and i think there are concrete steps we should take. each time there is one of these we should offer concrete steps. not he moaght and prayers. there is legislation offered in the senate that didn't pass. people who have had contact with jihadist groups, those are the

people who should have federal officers searching their abodes. if they have guns or indication they are involved in jihadist activity, that's the way we should address it. kennedy: does this make the left rethink gun control? >> no, and i think you can see it won't make them rethink gun control. martin o'malley tweeted within 2 or 3 minutes of the story breaking. when he says there are sensible gun control measures web's referring the three policies he refers to which are moot in this place because attack was carried out in california by a californian. but that doesn't stop him. in the senate legislation, i think liberals need to be careful. one of of the bills was to strip away doubt process rights of

people on the terror watchlist and deny them firearms. kennedy: the press conference in san bernardino is just about to start. we are going to go to it any minute. i want to continue our conversation at the plexiglas oval table. kt, we are talking about a guy who purchased firearms preradicalization. >> first of tall common sense proposals of the president continually tries to bring out no mat wear the situation. california has every single thing the president has been pushing for. in california, there is everything the president has proposed. i'm not sure what else california can do to make sure that president obama has it checked off his list. second of all. when you look at how tone deaf this is, for democrats and

liberals to come out during terrorism and say we want more gun control, americans are look at this going i'm watching terrorists on the run in regular neighborhoods which i live in and to me i go and respond and say that means i want to get a gun to defend myself in case someone comes into my house sanitation my kid hostage. it's so tone deaf to try to take that away from people when they are being attacked in their neighborhood. kennedy: nick gillespie talked about the direct correlation between gun laws and violence going dune. one of the best things americans can do to keep jihadists from coming over sheer is to arm themselves. >> kennedy, i totally disagree with you. kennedy: you want to take guns away from people so they can't defend themselves?

>> i want sensible gun control lawfs. i think there is a separate set of legislation we need to combat jihadism and a separate set of legislation to deal with the -- kennedy: here is governor jerry brown in san bernardino, california. >> for the families of the victims, we have a fabulous group of people, sheriffs, policemen, f.b.i., other personnel. we are all working together. and we have to rise above all the jurisdictions we are a part of my concern is to make sure everything that can be done is being done and going forward. that the state of california prove sides the resources and works closely with both local officials and our federal

counterparts to make sure we can protect the people of california. when it comes to people who engage in these kinds of vicious brutal acts, we will spare nothing in bringing them to justice and protect can the people along the way. so i don't know what this means going forward, but i think we have to be on our guard. we can't take anything for granted and i want to assure my fellow citizens here in california that we are going to go just as far as we have to to make sure that public safety is protected. thank you. >> i want to thank the governor for being here. while a fortunate district attorney. we are working cooperatively with the u.s. attorney's office. u.s. attorney. and i can't tell you how proud i am of the team work of both our local agency, san bernardino

police department, the sheriff's department and our federal partners, the f.b.i. and others. as the district attorney, we are saddened at the loss of the victims, family members, some family members of attorneys in my office, and we are going to be there for the victims. if you go to@ab county da on twitter we'll be there for you. thank you. >> good evening. first all i want to thank you for your patience. as we said from day one, this isma a marathon not a sprint. the tragedy that occurred. we'll continue to dmoaferg our our -- continue to do everything in our power to work with state and local partners on this matter.

we continue to exploit all the evidence possible. as i said from day one. the evidence will lead us to the facts. we'll go where the evidence takes us. thank you again for your patience. >> good evening. thank you very much for being patient. i know we were going to try to do this earlier. 4:30 was when we were shooting for. we couldn't quite make that happen. but thanks for sticking with us. we have some pictures of the crime scene where the officer-involved shooting took place. we'll be able to provide digital copies of those images online for earn that wants them. they are pictures of the weapons. pictures of the suspect vehicle, and a few others in there. we'll provide that. i have got a few more statistics and numbers for folks as scene update from earlier information we put out. as we said, this was a

department of public health event. as it turns out it was an event that was training in the morning and transitioning to a holiday christmas party luncheon in the afternoon. this happened right about the time of that transition. there were 91 invited guests that were there. we believe there were 75 to 80 people present in the room when this occurred or that ultimately came to that party. we don't have an exact number because they have a sign-in list. we don't know if everybody signed in. of the 21 people injured, 18 have been identified as county employees. 18 of the 21 were county employees, the other three were not county employees. of the 14 people who are deceased. 12 of those individuals were county employees. county of san bernardino, two of them were not.

finally one of the questions that came from the media that you wanted to hear from one of the first responders when we responded to this wednesday morning. i would like to introduce lieutenant mike madden. mike is actually one of our administrative commanders for the police department. as an administrative guy he has a desk job. he was on his way to lunch when this call came out. mike was the first officer on scene and the first person we had to the gathered the first units that went in and addressed this. i'll let mike tell the story of what they experienced firsthand. then we'll take a few of questions for mike. >> i was asked to come forward

and talk about what we saw and experienced yesterday. i'll tell you it was something although we train for it it's something you are never actually prepared for. when we got the call i oversee dispatch. it's one of my functions and responsibilities with the police department and i know my dispatchers. i know the tone of their voice. i note severity of calls as they are going out, and i could hear tonight our dispatcher's voice this was actually happening, this was a real event. it was the event that we have an active short and we have an active shooter going on in our city. i was nearby. i was less than a mile away. and i started coming this way. i realized is a was getting closer that it was one of the first units there. myself and officer sean sandoval arrived almost simultaneously. and just out of pure luck

because the information was evolving so rapidly. it was out of pure luck i happened to pull into the right location just south of the road you have see north of us. it was just south of the building where this tragedy took place. as i was look and seeing all of the activity and trying to assess what was happening, i was informed there was -- that was the location where this was happening and i was asking for officers to respond as quickly as possible because we had every belief at that time that we had people still actively being shot inside of the building. my goal was to assemble an entry team and enter into the building too engagement active shooter. this mindset and this type of training became indoctrinated in us after the columbine incident. that was the goal. we wanted to get in there and stop any further innocent people

from being injured and possibly killed. three officers arrived, there is an proximate 2-minute time lapse from the time got there until we had a team he accept bemed of our four initial responding officers and we went around the south side of the building. as we made our way around to the east side, it was immediately evident that the reports we were getting were 100% true. there were victims clearly obviously deceased outside the conference room, and i relayed that information to the other responding officers, and again requested assistance. as we entered into the conference room, the situation was surreal. it was something that it don't think we -- again we prepare for. they talk about sensory

overload, they try to throw everything at you to prepare you for dealing with that. what you are seeing, what you are hearing, what you are smelling. and it was all of that and more. it was unspeakable, the carnage that we were seeing, the number of people who were injured, and unfortunately already dead, and the pure panic on the face of those individual that were still in need and needing to be safe. we asked -- we got as many people out as quickly as we could. we had approximately -- i estimated in talking with the other officers who were with me, probably 50 people responded past us and out the doors. and then we went further into the building and that was a difficult choice to have to make as well. passing people we knew were injured and needed assistance. but our goal at that time had to be trying to locate the shooters

and deal with them before we could get further assistance in for these people in need of medical attention. i was very glad to see that in a short period of time we had a number of other responders that came in and were able to formulate tactical teams and continue on with the search. and i was then able to pull back from the situation and go back into happening more of a supervisory role and allowing the other officers to continue with the remainder of the search. does anybody have any questions? >> was there still an active shooter? what were you thinking about in term of there might be someone in the room? how are you doing personally? how are you handling this? >> fir question there was we absolutely believed there was another shooter. we were told there were as many potentially three shooters.

but again we were getting information from multiple callers, and people weren't clear exactly how many shooters we did or did not have. some were seen eventually reporting double suspects and things of that nature. so we were told that one of the suspects that possibly fled in the black vehicle prior to around arrival, but there was potentially two more shooters inside. when we entered there was fresh gun powder and the smell of gun powder in the air leading in the me to believe there were in fact shooters still. >> [inaudible] >> you know, to be honest, you buy, it was a little surreal.

you train for it and you know your job is dealing in reality. but it seemed surreal. but yet i did the join was supposed to do. my job is to go in there and people don't call the police because they are having a great day. they call because there is tragedy going on. and this was tragedy that i had never experienced in my career and i don't think most officers do. and so we had to deal with it and help bring them to safety and bring some kind of calm to the chaos going on. so it just knowing that we resolved that situation quickly, but there i so much tragedy that's left behind. there are so many families as we go into these holiday seasons that will have too deal with the tragedy that were left behind by this senseless acts of violence. that's a little tough to deal with. >> you talked about the panic