thanks so much for watching. and remember -- you can't take it with you. make sure you watch and keep it right here. lou dobbs is next. this is fox business. lou: good evening, everybody, i'm lou dobbs. federal authorities tonight trying to determine the motive behind the shooting rampage in a social services center in san bernardino. officials say the married muslim couple who stormed into an office holiday party in a conference room at that center fired as many as 150 bullets into the crowd, and they killed 14 people and wounded 21 others. within hours, a san bernardino police had located them, authorities then pursued the killers as they raced down a busy thoroughfare not far from the scene of the attack at the services center. tonight we learned the fbi is treating this investigation as

a possible terrorism case. here's something of an inventory of what the police and other agencies now know. at the scene, investigators found three connected pipe bombs set to be detonated by a contraption linked to a remote control car. that type of device is featured in the al qaeda online magazine inspire that teaches radical islamist terrorists how to build bombs. >> my understanding there was three pipe bombs attached together, attached to the remote control car, and it was designed that the remote control device would somehow trigger or set the device off. we don't know if they attempted to do that and it failed or what the story was. lou: at the couple's home, officials found more than 5,000 rounds of ammunition and 12 pipe bomb-type devices and materials with which to produce explosives. law enforcement sources describe the redland's home of

the couple as an ied factory. the 28-year-old syed farook who carried out the assault with his wife tashfeen malik was radicalized and in touch with people who were under investigation by the fbi for terrorism. at this hour, we don't know whether the two were radicalized or by whom. farook was born in illinois, raised in southern california but family is originally from pakistan. last summer he traveled to pakistan and saudi arabia for a period of nine days. then returned to the united states with the woman who would be his bride, who entered the country on an ak-1 visa, so-called fiancee visa that allowed her to enter the country and marry within 90 days. apparently they were married in that time. investigators are building a timeline for the couple's lives and relationship as they figure out who was prominent in the radicalization and where each

was radicalized and, of course, whether they had help in carrying out their massacre. the fbi has seized electronics belonging to the couple including thumb drives, computers and cell phones. fox news senior correspondent adam housley is in san bernardino and has this report on the search for a motive. >> we still don't have the motive. [ sirens ] >> reporter: more than 24 hours after wednesday's shooting rampage that left 14 dead and 21 injured, there are still more questions than answers. >> this is not your average investigation. we have multiple scenes. we have many victims, and it will take time. >> reporter: witnesses say syed farook abruptly left a holiday party for the county health employees at the inland regional center. when he returned the 28-year-old and his wife tashfeen malik were dressed and prepared for battle with legally purchased weapons. >> the suspects, when they entered, fired somewhere between 65 and 75 rounds from their rifles.

however, on their person, on their body and in the vehicle, they had over 1400.223 caliber rounds and 200 nine millimeter rounds as well. nobody goes a party and puts together that elaborate scheme or plan to do that. >> reporter: some of the planning at a home in redlands that the two had been renting for the past six months. >> the search that took place revealed 12 pipe bomb devices in the house or in the garage to the house, there were also hundreds of tools, many of which could be used to construct ied's or pipe bombs. >> if you look at the amount of obvious preplanning that went in. the amount of armaments that he had, the weapons and the ammunition, there was obviously a mission here. >> reporter: the fbi also analyzing digital media taken from the home along with how the two met and where they traveled. malik who came to the u.s. from

pakistan in 2014 was here on a k-1 visa, that requires marriage within 90 days of arriving. >> we know there was international travel, they came to the u.s. in july of 2014. since had baby together. >> reporter: the fbi has yet to rule whether or not this is terrorism. >> it would be irresponsible and premature to call this terrorism. the fbi defines terrorism very specifically. that is the big question for us, what is the motivation for this? lou: that was adam housley reporting from san bernardino, thank you, adam. police have not yet located and have not yet chased down the two killers in san bernardino before president obama was calling for gun control. >> we have a pattern now of mass shootings in this country that has no parallel anywhere else in the world, and there's some steps we could take, not to eliminate every one of these mass shootings, but to improve the odds that they don't happen as frequently.

commonsense gun safety laws, stronger background checks. lou: and the president today, as he's often want to do when stepping in it, doubled down on his remarks. >> we're going to have to i think search ourselves as a society to make sure that we can take basic steps that would make it harder, not impossible, but harder for individuals to get access to weapons. lou: what the president doesn't realize apparently is that california has one of, if not the toughest sets of gun control laws in the nation. so tough that california's anti-gun laws are exactly what the obama administration wants to enact at the federal level, or perhaps mr. obama will simply resort to his rule by fiat, not trouble congress and instead issue a gun control executive order. we'll see. san bernardino's police officers, fbi investigators and

others tonight searching for the shooters' motive or motives in this tragedy. our first guest tonight says all material evident from the shootings indicates clearly an act of terrorism. joining us tonight one of the leading experts on radical islamist terrorism. welcome to the broadcast please dr. walid phares and author of the book future jihad, terror strategies against america. walid, good to have you here. you heard the fbi assistant director in the los angeles office say he's going to be very careful and responsible. do you, as you assess this, see terrorism. >> not only terrorism. the government, fbi agencies are almost there. they build their case bottom up, they want to take every piece of evidence. that means they and the community of experts, lou, knows very well, this is executed operation military

style, there was training, there were uniforms, synchronization, there were weapons of war used in this case, and a withdrawal potentially later on to use other bigger weapons as the president has said. but beyond that on the intellectual level, if you look at the twitter account of the perpetrator, you would see he has been following islamist websites. it does not mean he's jihadi, but have you violent actions and following those twitter accounts, you can begin to think that this most likely is a jihadi operation. lou: and the fact that a number of, obviously, a number of questions to be answered, large once, but among them certainly is what drove this event, at this moment, by these two, married with a young baby, to carry out this horrific act? and we hear accounts that six men who were of a suspicious nature noticed by neighbors

coming and going to their home. what do you make of this? >> lou, so many questions. first of all, are they alone or not? for two to be trained. you don't conduct this operation if you are not trained. where were they trained? overseas? most likely in saudi arabia. maybe in the united states where they train alone. can they do the exercise alone? do they need validation from a higher authority? i remember the discussion about major hasan and many were saying he's a lone wolf, and we discover he has e-mail with al-awlaki and two others. we are in the beginning of the investigation, there is speed for government and much higher speed in the assessment of the counterterrorism community. let me say one thing that is really troubling. the fact that his wife, a mother, would leave her baby and go to an operation that could be suicidal, it was not designed as such, she knew she

would die, very much like the jihadist females in the middle east who have done the same thing. lou: and also within all of this is the environment, the context, the mosque in southern california. we know that across the country there are somewhere between 80 and 100 so-called radical mosques led by imams, principally wanahabi, sunni muslims who are very much radicalized and seeking to radicalize some of their, if you will, congregants. what are we to do? france has said four mosques in the french government, you have a pattern of radicalization and you're through for right now. your thoughts? >> lou, you have the big issue that we have been dealing with over the past nine, ten, maybe 12 years, between religious freedom. you have to be free in your religious narrative on the one

hand and the indoctrination and radicalization which could happen online, off-line, in a mosque, elsewhere. doesn't always have to be in a mosque. what is important to discover the link, the one link, we are close to discovering he and his wife were connected to a radical circle. what circle, yet to be known. lou: dr. walid phares, good to have you here, thanks. >> thank you. lou: a national security concern driving the state of texas to sue the federal government. texas filing a lawsuit in federal court to block the obama white house from resettling syrian refugees in the state of texas. the move after the nonprofit international rescue committee said it would place syrian refugees in texas despite the objections of governor greg abbott. more than two dozen governors have vowed to block the refugees expressing concerns that radical islamist terrorists could be among the refugees, and, in fact, likely are. governor abbott now on point in the state's efforts to stop the

obama syrian refugee resettlements in this country, and we're coming right back with much more, stay with us. authorities probing deeper into the mass shooting in san bernardino, that left 14 dead and more than 20 people wounded. we'll have the latest here next. and the number of mosques in this country has soared since september 11th and the number of muslims immigrating to the united states soaring as well. what does it all mean? and do we know where they are? tom ruskin and rod wheeler join us next with some of the answers. stay with us, we're coming ri

. lou: the san bernardino killers had enough bullets and bombs to easily carry out more than one attack. they had two assault rifles, so-called ar-15's or m-16 rifles.223-calibers. two .9 millimeter handguns. 1400 rounds of ammunition for rifle and 200 9-millimeters at the center. police found 2500 more 223

rounds. 12 pipe bomb-type devices. joining us former washington, d.c. detective fox news contributor rod wheeler in san bernardino. rod, good to see you. and former nypd detective tom ruskin. and tom, it's good to have you here. start, rod, with you. the sense there that this investigation is moving and that we're going to see something in a reasonably quick order from the investigating authorities? >> that's exactly what the sense is. i've been here all day long today in san bernardino speaking with law enforcement officers, investigators, as well as some of the neighbors of the suspects, and i can tell that you the investigators, lou, they're aggressively pursuing multiple leads, just because the two suspects were killed yesterday, that doesn't mean that the investigation is over. as a matter of fact, lou, so you and the viewers know, i was

just up at the residence of the suspects. you know what i saw? the fbi, crime scene search technicians brought a new crew of individuals to continue to do a grid search outside the home. that clearly goes to show you they'ra aggressively pursuing more leads. lou: is the police chief, there i think has done a remarkable job in san bernardino, as he pointed out, this is going to be, a number of crime scenes in point of fact, they've got a lot to work with and assess and to go through. the fbi with, all of the investigative resources it harks we should get some results. they should get some results. my question now is, the fbi itself is within a highly politicized justice department. it has not got a great record of sharing what it learns with the american public. what can we expect? >> we can expect the fbi to do the investigation to at least

bring to conclusion or to some kind of results what the investigation reveals. not only to the justice department and the ausa who is handling this case, but also to local law enforcement, so local law enforcement and fbi can work in tandem. the fbi has to go overseas to foreign countries. these people traveled to foreign countries. what they learn there or what their agents on the ground in the continents are determining is important to this investigation as well. lou: and we're likely to learn, are we not, rod, something more about san bernardino, redlands, the environment and the context for this, because there is a significant number of muslims who live there, and there's going to have to be an investigation that goes well beyond the services center where the massacre occurred? >> absolutely.

that massacre, lou, occurred beyond the trees there. that's where it started yesterday morning. in reference to the other individuals, i'm glad you brought up that point. i do suspect, and i believe from my investigation today out here talking to people, i believe that these two individuals, lou, had some assistance from someone else. when i went over by the house. this is so important when. i went by the house owned by the suspects and looked at the garage and looked at the setup of the residence. someone else had to assist these people set the booby traps, and this garage and maybe you have a picture of it, but the garage is a detached garage from the home, which is actually a benefit to the bad guys, because they have plenty of time to work, they can shield themselves with the door. i believe -- this is based on information they got, that the fbi is interviewing other individuals who may have played a role in creating and staging this event. lou: tom ruskin was nodding when you were saying that. your thoughts?

>> rod is absolutely right. this is going to be a very intense investigation. you're going to have to determine who else they dealt with? what other contacts they had? how they had the contacts? financial records? you're going to look into all these things. from reports today, they said they were getting a lot of packages, how were they paid for? what she did? was she working? we don't know any of this yet, but hopefully investigators are following these leads and determine how these things came about. lou: all right, tom ruskin, thank you so much. rod wheeler in san bernardino, thank you. >> thank you, lou. lou: vote in our poll tonight, the question is -- we asked the question in part because neighbors chose to say nothing when questions arose about some of the people visiting that home of the perpetrators in redlands,

california. follow me on twitter at -- . an act of heroism in yesterday's shooting as one officer pledged to protect a group of workers he was trying to evacuate. >> try to relax, everyone, try to relax. i'll take a bullet before you do, that's for damn sure, be cool, okay? lou: you had the feeling he meant exactly what he said and plenty of heroes in san bernardino yesterday. the still unidentified officer kept his composure throughout as he guided the group which included at least one child to safety. up next, democratic presidential candidates rush to judgment at the san bernardino massacre's unfolding, calling for gun control, and republicans on the other hand, offer prayers, and, well, part of the left-wing mainstream media blasted them for it, and

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. lou: a few thoughts now on this country's debilitating political correctness, and it's suffocation of free expression and sometimes the death of truth itself. the headline of today's "new york daily news" front page read, quote -- the cover singles out speaker ryan, senators cruz, graham, paul, others for offering prayers for the victims in the san bernardino shootings in their tweets. the liberal daily news is a monstrous failure, all the more

spectacular a failure because it's failing in the biggest liberal city in the usa to which it panders and panders shamelessly. the left and the daily news haven't hesitated to politicize the tragedy. democratic aspirrant hillary clinton tweeted this -- tell it to the mullahs, hillary, and wanna-be rival bernie sanders or is he her accomplice in all of this tweeted, quote -- tell the mullahs, bernie. the politics being played by democrats are certainly part of the country's significant problems. they rush to politicize tragedy in its immediate aftermath and without shame, and others like

democratic congressmen buyer and allison quickly tell us they won't tolerate islamo phobia, it keeps them from thanking america for welcoming hearts as we continue to bring into the country more muslims not fewer. the three hapless congressmen aren't aspirational, they spew hate instead of offering thanks to the nation and those who put up with their arrogance and insults, and the number of muslims living in this country have more than doubled since the september 11th terrorist attacks. president obama claims seven million muslims live here during a speech in cairo in 2009, others put the number around 3 million. here's the sad fact, the truth is we don't know. we don't know for sure because

our politically correct government still practices don't ask, and if you do, don't tell. we don't know who is sunni, shia, wahhabi or likely radicalized. we don't know who is coming in and where they are because we've become a nation more focused on political correctness than survival than national security or a simple judgment in the nation's best interest. indeed, political correctness stifles free expression and in some cases it can kill, both people and perhaps a nation. our quotation of the evening from former senator christopher dodd who said -- such as the time in which we live. we're coming right back. does it matter what investigators call the tragic

events in san bernardino? will it be workplace violence? will it be terrorism? investigators are searching for the motive behind the deadly shooting rampage and whether they acted alone. that's next. why is this country struggling to define what radical islamist terrorism is? is this a case of homegrown terrorism, and can they be the terrorism, and can they be the same thing?

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. lou: right before the attacks in san bernardino, president obama told cbs that americans should, quote, stop overinflating the importance of terrorism. >> isil is not going to pose an existential threat to us. they are a dangerous organization like al qaeda was. but we have hardened our defenses. our homeland has never been more protected by more effective intelligence and law enforcement professionals at every level than they are now. the coordination is much better than it is now. lou: the president not commenting on the fact the islamic state used social media to cheer the san bernardino murders, sympathizers using the america burning hashtag in arabic on twitter.

joining us brad thor, laidest book code of conduct, the founder and president of the islamic forum for democracy, zuhdi jasser. good to have you both here. zuhdi, start with you, this attack, we're trying to determine whether or not it is terrorism, we heard dr. walid phares say it is clearly and obviously an act of terrorism. your thoughts? >> well, every time these things happen, we try to get lost in it, we get lost in the details where they traveled and at the end of the day, the intoxicant is political, radical supremesism and deradicalization of the west, and getting to softer targets, no different than chattanooga, ottawa and paris. you can't have an intervention in a community addicted to political islam unless you call it what it is and get past the denial.

lou, the president is enabling our denial from dealing with the problem. lou: one instance, cair, the activist organization for muslims in america, which, by the way, the united arab emirates among others declared it to be a terrorist organization, had trodded out the brother before any one of the authorities talked to him. it was an extraordinary moment! >> how did they have such contact to be there immediately. they didn't defer him to the fbi. it's bizarre, and yet we're here in washington because we have a summit of muslim reformers that have met and are going to have a declaration to put groups like cair on notice. it's not just about condemning the violence, about condemning the supremesism of islamism, the caliphate, the jihad and that's what they're doing.

lou: there are over 3,000 mosques as you know, brad. they have doubled since september 11th. we've seen the number of immigrants more than double into this country. we are having a discussion about good and bad muslims? i mean this is mind-boggling to me that the country is on tenterhooks afraid to say radical islamist because so goes the politically correct group tank in the white house, this one and the previous white house as well, americans are too stupid to know the difference between a radical islamist and a muslim. >> i agree with you, the sound bite you played before zuhdi and i joined you, it talked about the president saying how protected we are, law enforcement, intelligence and all this stuff. that's great! but political correctness erodes all of the efforts of law enforcement intelligence communities. the fact that the president won't say radical islam is a big, big problem, and my issue,

you know what? i think america is a wonderful country, people of all faiths, but we have a real problem here in that we are combating radicals physically, not doing enough to combat the ideology, and we look at cair and zuhdi, and my friend zuhdi, great to be on with you, he nailed it. how did they get the brother-in-law? the bumbling brother-in-law. i don't know if he's radical or whatever. his father said he was a radical devout muslim. prayed, but the father characterized it as radical. i said last night on megyn's show, sending cair out in a situation like this is sending nambla out for someone accused of pedophilia. cair is a horrible organization, the left supports them and bolsters a group like cair with political correctness where you have the neighbor afraid of reporting what he saw at the house because he was afraid of being called an

islamo phobe. i can't believe this is the country we're living in! >> i can't believe the comments that fall from the lips of barack obama our president. this is a president who said he would degrade, destroy the islamic state and say it's not an existential threat to the country as if it's a sophomore tutorial at the university of chicago, zuhdi. >> and the republic of iran or saudi arabia, they are the incubators for isis don't matter. it's bizarre how the reason naming it matters, you want to know who your allies are and foes are. the reason americans are confused who are the moderates and our side of liberty versus the theocrats, once you name it, you can figure out we're your allies who are reformers and the enemies are the theo crates and the islamists like the cair and organizations part of the oic lobby. >> i think we have that courage, i think our leaders don't. talking about both political parties and think they're

getting a sense as we are watching what's happening across the body politic, i think they're getting a sense we demand leaders worthy of us rather than putting up more than what they've offered up which is thin gruel at best and highly predictable. brad, what are we to do here? we're looking at as many as 10% of the syrian refugees, so-called, we don't know if that's accurate or not, islamic state terrorists suspected of being so by the europeans themselves. we have a governor of texas today filing suit against this government, the federal government because they basically said no matter what you want, governor greg abbott, we're going to send you syrian refugees. >> and like new jersey, we won't tell you where they're going either. catholic charities and others are stashing people? lou: we know better than the

unwashed, working men and women folks, citizens. >> are better, yeah. if nissan had a car, or nissan vehicles had a defect where they sped up and swerved into oncoming traffic and disabled the braking system. wait a second, 10% of cars do that from nissan? halt all nissans until they fix that problem. i wouldn't say, lou, brad thor here, how are we going to fix the nissans? not my problem or your problem? it's nissan's problem! i don't know why we don't put pressure on the islam nation, you know what? we're going to put economic strangleholds on you, what needs to be done to force a rep rimation in islam. i love zuhdi jasser to pieces but he can't force a reprimation in islam. that's the only thing that's going to fix this. >> tomorrow, watch our press

conference, brad, many of us moving to reform, we need the platforms, thank you. lou: zuhdi, brad, thank you very much. >> you bet. lou: up next, the fbi refuses to call san bernardino terrorism just yet. are they being overly cautious? overly politically correct? of course they are. british bombers launching first airstrikes against the islamic state in syria. ambassador john bolton joins me in moments to talk about what is beginning to look like, well, it looks like the united states and the u.k. and france are joining in the russian war against the islamic state. we're coming right back to see if that's the case. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like ordering wine equals pretending to know wine. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night.

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. lou: the u.k. launching airstrikes against the islamic state in syria for the first time, british tornadoes taking off from an airbase in cyprus striking oil fields, imagine that. after parliament voted to ban strikes from iraq into syria. joining us former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, american enterprise institute senior fellow, john bolton and fox news contributor as well. first, john, good to have you here. these strikes against oil fields, is there any embarrassment, do you suppose

in the obama white house and the pentagon that russia and france and now the u.k. are carrying out the strikes that this administration refused to undertake for 14 months! >> yeah. the campaign against isis so-called waged by the obama administration has been embarrassing for the united states. we've done next to nothing, and frankly the latest effort of bombing the oil trucks as if that's a substitute for destroying the facilities. if you can't pump the oil, you don't fill trucks with it. it's a big problem i think and further reflection of the decline of american influence. lou: and amazing how quickly barack obama, our leader, can move when he thinks it's to his political advantage because of, for example, the san bernardino attacks yesterday, the massacre, he is calling for gun control as if he thinks this is just another trip down what we

have all unfortunately experienced over the past several years. >> look, i think this time he acted such an unpresidential fashion, in a way so demeaning to the office, to politicize yet another tragedy. but this time i think he's made a huge mistake as has hillary clinton and all the others that jumped on the bandwagon. the people of this country have better sense than political leaders. they know what this is, they could tell from the get-go this was a terrorist attack, and i think the president spoke what was on his mind and that's always a danger for ideologues. lou: france describes a pattern of radicalism, we do not know what the situation is in southern california, but we do know that this man and his wife were devout in practicing apparently islamist and apparently radical islamist terrorists.

what are we to do? how are we to respond? it is suffocating and threatening america itself. >> freedom of religion is a value sacred to the united states. lou: absolutely. >> founded on that as much as anything else. freedom of religion doesn't give people a free license to conspire against the government and commit acts of mass murder. if you have some reason to believe and can you satisfy the constitutional requirements, people should be in the mosque, we should be developing networks of informants. let's be realistic, we know where the threat is coming from. let's not kid ourselves. lou: we have been, as you put it, kidded rather hard by this administration over the course of seven years. it is time to -- >> why 2016 should be a debate about national security. if we can't have the debate now, we may never have it. lou: ambassador john bolton, you'll be sure that is a debate we have. >> thank you, lou. lou: up next, neighbors of the san bernardino shooters say

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lou: joining us tonight ebony williams and brad blakeman. good to have you both. ebony, this reaction by the democrats and instantly led by the president and hillary clinton to call for gun control before they even might was most likely a radical islamist terrorist act. your thoughts. >> it is a political issue and they will always call it that way. my problem with it, though, is it's very reaction air yea. if you are in fear of controlled guns, it can't be based on a reactionary pivot. lou: reactionary or actionary it's a stupid thing for the president to have said and highly insensitive. >> do you think there is a

proper time to make this issue? lou: he has been blethering this for a long time. i think it's an inaappropriate time. >> why do we instead pivot to a political, solely political issue of gun control, gun control is not the problem. the problem is radical islam and they are hell bent on our destruction. lou: greg abbott the governor of texas is suing the federal government to stop the forced relocation of foreign refugees into this state and this president is saying to hell with the people and to hell with the people in any state, we are going to do whatever we want. this is purely a rule by fiat. >> i think we are talk about two important but distinct issues.

i think the issue of what to do with these refugees is important. i think it president is wrong on his approach. by the many a better issue to talk about how to regulate access to guns. lou: the fact of the matter is the president doesn't even understand california has one of the toughest gun laws in the country in which this tragedy occurred, and point of fact, it's the very law he wants to model in federal law and regulation himself. this is an act of just bizarre insensitivity, and frankly absurdity. >> all you have to do is looking at chicago. chicago has the toughest gun laws and it's the wild west in the president's hometown. the most dangerous time for our country is until obama leaves office.

he's a lame duck and his modus operandi is if you don't like what we are doing, sue me. and we do sue him. lou: daily neus -- "daily news,a headline on its front page saying god isn't fixing this, and attacking republicans who prayed for the victims of the san bernardino massacre. >> i understand the sentiment i believe they were trying to make, that we need to use this opportunity to take action. i'm a christian and i believe prayer changes things. that's my belief. you can't attack someone's decisions to offer prayer around that. they are not mutually exclusive.

you can't separate prayer and/or action and act like they can't exist in the same circle. lou: you can sure as hell separate good journalism from bad. don't you agree, brad? >> to go on the front page of a national paper and mock religion which statements were made in good faith and out of a heartfelt sadness for the people who perished, it speaks volumes. let's pray for the "daily news" and all the people who work there. lou: i'll pray for the people. i'm trying to be christian. okay, i'll pray for them. ebony williams, brad blakeman, thank you very much. in our online poll 50% said you would support a governor who refused to accept refugees into

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