stuart: i am sorry for taking your time but it is yours. neil: following up the latest developments that might have had nothing or two behind us, this press conference in san bernardino being pushed back a little bit, might have become radicalized herself and swore allegiance to isis on facebook, rather than any role, syed farook and tashfeen malik doing the same, many looking at his trip to saudi arabia with the influenced his own behavior. the islamic group essentially blaming us for this state of

mind today. to jeff flock in san bernardino with the latest foray pushback in this press conference. what is the latest. >> reporter: you and your producers earlier, who influenced whom but first the headline, you can seen numerous cameras pushback three hours as a result of fast-moving developments, namely that tashfeen malik, one of the two gunmen apparently posted to facebook using some sort of alias not using her real name but posted allegiance to the leader of isis either during the shooting or just before or just after. apparently this was recovered from the hard drives of the computer that was seized from

their residence, they said specifically how they did that, apparently even though the two tried to hide their tracks, didn't happen but we are perched over here, and burn it goes to the question you began asking earlier today, was this act influenced by tashfeen malik or was it by the other one around, at this point we don't know but the big question remains, was there anyone else involved directing this? no evidence to suggest that but that is a question folks will be asked and that is why this press conference has been pushed back three hours. neil: thank you very much. former u.s. army warrior pilot, this latest information come to like, the wife of the suspect, they are both dead but she might

have been radicalized herself, radicalized her husband or at the very least the spouse commitment to isis at or the time of the attacks on facebook, what do you make of all these developments? >> i am not surprised, this is straight out of the isis playbook. they have been urging their followers to go out and kill as many americans as possible in whatever style attacks they are able to. unfortunately in the age of social media where people live being radicalized and recruited through social media, many of them as mentioned, one of the gunman through fake accounts getting radicalized online and is very hard to follow in terms of intelligence. they are sliding under the radar. it is a dream for a terrorist organization using tactics the way isis is, an absolute nightmare for law enforcement who have to thwart these attacks before they happen.

neil: this neighborhood was afraid to call in even though she had seen suspicious activity, the weapons they were on massing, the activities seemed unusual and the number of parties involved and it went late for a number of nights, she was afraid to call police for fear of seeming racist or typecasting so she never did. what do you make of that? >> there is a future lesson for all americans to be learned after this. our pc culture has turned deadly. if you see something you have a duty to report it and say something in the best interests of the united states, a who knows if she would have made that call and said there is something suspicious going on americans know their communities, their neighborhoods, their surroundings better than anyone else so when something looks off to than they need to be reporting that to give law enforcement the tools --

neil: we heard law enforcement has to follow up on hunches even though it might seem racist, might seem out of the usual and this woman's and infinity would be protected but they would be compelled to follow up on it anyway. i don't know, it is changed people's posture since. >> americans need to wake up to the fact that the war is here. is not an ocean away, isis and social media brought the war here. it is on our front doorstep and everybody needs to become extremely vigilant to the fact that it is going to take a vigilance society to wake up to the fact faux we are going to see more of the style of a tax where it is home grown work inspired lone wolf attacks against america so people need to pay attention to their surroundings and what is going on and we need to work together

and have information. neil: thank you very much for your service to this country. a delayed press conference, in san bernardino, calif. might have been delayed by the latest developments indicating it was possible, tashfeen malik, the light of dylann roof might have pledged allegiance to isis on facebook, we are getting anecdotal reports about how it might have changed since the trip to saudi arabia, might have been radicalized himself and there is no indication indicate that, the saudi arabia trip, grew a beard, seemed more introverted or out of norm but even days before the attack there was nothing in his behavior to indicate he would do something like this, he was well regarded, well liked. as far as workers at that center

he was praised for the way he worked with others so we are following that. it is from the care director who was on cnn was blaming the united states, partly responsible, he says for islamic terrorism. i want to bring you up-to-date on that. on another news network comments were very profound, almost scary. i want to get reaction from state department official, what he is saying, the head of this islamic group, attitudes and policy is what made some elements extreme. do you buy that? >> i couldn't agree with that less. it is crazy, a very difficult

situation here. they are trying to liberate the areas that isis has taken in syria and iraq, and trying to -- not supportive of terrorism. we need to be honest and realistic about who we are fighting, it is islamic muslim radicalss growing out of the situation in syria, now in iraq. neil: going one step further, when we support that, the united states, leaders in egypt and other places, when we support dictatorship, oppressive regimes that push people over the edge they become extremists, then they become terrorists, we are partly responsible. the head of care of the council on american islamic relations.

>> i don't agree with that either. the u.s. could do better in foreign policy but this administration and the previous administration actually took out dictatorship. look what this administration did in libya helping fight gaddafi, helping remove gaddafi who was a vicious dictator, look at what we did in iraq moving saddam hussein. there were problems with the way we did that but we removed a dictator. that is not the reason isis has spread and grow powerful. neil: he is saying if you are wondering about this aberrant behavior, you are partly to blame, your policy is partly to blame. i hear that kind of lunacy after 9/11 and here we go again. >> like you said it is lunacy, doesn't match with the facts on the ground. if anything isis came out of syria where partly as a result of bashar al-assad, we are not

dropping the bashar al-assad. we have not done enough to remove him but we are not supporting him. the administration has been clear that bashar al-assad must go. that is not the reason. there are other reasons. what is interesting is isis has formal structure with fighters on the ground in iraq and syria, government structures and this sort of loosely affiliated supporters all over the world and now we see potentially, in the u.s. and california these supporters, people did shooting, perhaps they were connected to isis or perhaps they were and connected supporters of the isis ideology. that is what is scary about isis, it is able to project its ideology and attract people, it hasn't actually had contact. >> thank you very much. this is coming from an

interview, the council on islamic relations in san bernardino, calif. getting a lot of attention because he essentially the head of this islamic group is saying is blaming the victims, it is our fault just like it was our fault the 3,000 people lost their lives on 9/11. we had it coming. it was our doing. daily news front page, i will show you a new one, that one today, you got to wonder, what we are all losing our minds. the fact the we are seeing it right under our electronic nose on facebook. on facebook. honestly.

neil: the dow is up 246 points, we are closer and yesterday's 250 points loss. doesn't make sense, the same issues, the federal reserve raising interest rates but the argument today is it was buoyed by better than expected flooding for the jobs report north of 200,000 jobs created, the same thing that was trumpeted and telegraphed yesterday that had folks fearing the federal reserve would raise rates, now confirmation of which indicates that is exactly what they are going to do. i am at a loss. most of the times they seize on a convenient excuse or rationale. another catalyst might be oil prices tumbling which tends to be good for those who want to go to the gas station and take advantage and use it for other things like shopping for christmas presents but we have opec trying to boost production which is going to drive down a

little more co oil has been in and out of $40 a barrel easily translating, pretty much anywhere you go it stays there in short order. some other news that is not so upbeat, it concerns chipotle, we getting new indications the e coli outbreak linked to the mexican grill has expanded to nine states, 47, 52 people affected have been reported eating at this particular change, that link is driving a lot of jacobi investors away from stock. we will keep you posted on that. jo lin kent on what the white house is saying on these latest developments concerning not only terrorist revelers asians or appear to be terrorist revelations, the couple that killed 14 people in california, one of them might have posted

angst on facebook and actually declared allegiance to isis on facebook. what can you tell us? >> that is right. fox has confirmed from one federal source that indeed the female shooter pledged allegiance to isis leader on facebook, some reports say it was under an alias or a different name. the source not getting real indication, when the post was made, going against the grain of what we know about isis supporters in america, george washington university indicated that 86% are male and so there seems to be something in the minority, for a pledge of support of isis in the san bernardine go situation, this may be the clearest indication terrorism was a factor in wednesday's attack, may be a blend of workplace violence.

>> to get the read on this, to piece together ourselves, what do you make of these latest developments? it would appear tashfeen malik, the wife of syed farook went on facebook, pretty close to the attacks in san bernardino to claim allegiance to isis. >> it is madness. tashfeen malik has been the key from the onset, a pakistani born 27-year-old his war allegiance to isis and is no soccer mom by any stretch. the fbi and department of justice and senior leadership in the government did not turn their immediate attention to that and reveal that to the public is diminishing the public's trust in what is going on as relates to terrorism. workplace violence? the mind reels from it all. neil: they're trying to combine

the two to save face which i find a stretch. there was nothing in the husband's case to indicate there would be any violent outbursts, there was talk of an argument earlier in the day but nothing that would trigger the kind of response we saw. he was praised as an ideal worker, they would reward such workers with gift coupons, restaurants in the area, you got quite a few. what i you looking at when you piece together all this, what are you seeing? >> i don't have to be sit together, no need for an mit professor. i have been an investigator for 33 years, a simple formula, radicalize muslims plus bombs fussed guns eagles terrorism, period. there is no variable on it, no subjective review of it, no non objective analysis.analysis. neil: non objective analysis of this couple giving their baby to one of their relatives, the

wife's mother, i could be wrong, then all of a sudden trying to say, the interpretation of the media that they knew what they were about to do that they were going to die, when they had no intention of dying that day, they had enough weapons to plan other things. they plan to go back and get the child. >> i couldn't agree more. this fallacy that has been brought forth about the 71 virgins and everyone wanting to throw themselves on their swords and die, the false of all the false negatives, gave the baby bottle, give the baby bottle and off they went to a soccer mom gee i.t. jeanne from pakistan. they had planned the and plan c, my thought from the onset was planned a failed, the detonator failed, syed farook was furious, went home, rousted the old lady, put on the guns, the vest, the mask and unleashed tell at the

developmental center. neil: i don't think they were planning on buying at day. so what worry they up to? >> impossible to speed delete what plans he would have been better if you look at the facts and stay with the fact all that and no, the fact they tried to escape, stand down with the police to just another horse show waiting in the wings the likes of which we will never know because they moved on, they are no longer with us. as well it should be. neil: thank you very much. there is this other connection besides what you heard about isis but the saudi connection, syed farook had been to saudi arabia and they say that is when it started. we do know his temperament changed but not severely so. that saudi arabia connection, the 9/11 terrorists came from saudi arabia, we know the saudis

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neil: we are getting more details on this expanding outbreak of e. coli linked to joy but restaurants, three additional states involving the centers for disease control and prevention saying 52 cases have been reported in nine state including the latest, illinois, maryland and pennsylvania. the end the lot of the cases reported in oregon and washington, aides seemed to stop there. additional cases in california, minnesota, new york, ohio, 52 that have been infected or who has been infected, 47 reported eating at chipotle in the week

before the illness started. that connection is disturbing investors, we will let you know if there are further developments but the number of states and individuals involved has expanded. this pressor they were pushing off for three hours, 2:00 p.m. eastern time, allow low hour earlier, two hours back from what they originally reported so that san bernardino oppressor at 2:00 p.m. eastern, 90 minutes from now, all these developments including indications the wife of the attacker earlier this week, an attacker herself might have announced her allegiance to isis on facebook, we are trying to check that out and make sure we're getting our facts right but it comes at the same time we're hearing of the saudi connection involving syed farook who had been traveling to saudi arabia.

the former assistant secretary of defense, i am always reminded through the last interview the curious, sometimes two faced roll this outes play in ceding to our demands for cooperation and ceding to some of the more fundamentalist elements within their own border. explain. >> that is one way of putting it, it has been a double game all along, two principal exports. energy products, they want us to buy them. as you have been reporting, they have been using their ability to produce vast quantities of the stuff to drive prices down for the express purpose of destroying the u.s. fracking industry. neil: they're hurting themselves? >> the calculation, they can survive long enough to put up release serious competitor out

of business. neil: $40 a barrel, working like a charm. >> islamic suppresses and, rather -- there pushing out around the world, basically through all the terrorist organizations, the muslim brotherhood as well, with one stipulation, they are good with people waiting jihad against unbelievers, they don't want it done inside the kingdom. to the extent they are trying to have it both ways, this authoritatively and virulent version of islam, sharia, and foisting upon the rest of the world, they want to be left alone from the kind of dangers they were exposing the rest of us to.

neil: the saudi practice -- the very fundamentalist strain. they not only find other religions unacceptable but more watered-down practices of islam unacceptable. they seem to target shia elements but it is also the standard brand of isis and al qaeda so explain that links to me. >> let me put it this way, one of the brands under which of the irritative islam, let me hasten to add normal muslims embrace this doctrine of sharia but those that do include the afford -- those in america and alcazar university in cairo, essentially seen as the authorities of faith. neil: they believe shia muslims -- >> they are not true followers

but will make common cause for the infidels. those that are not true muslims, the ones that we would call good muslims. benign muslims who were peaceable and tolerant and moderate. they are considered apostates. the reporting here is very misleading. there is not islamic state ideology in isolation or taliban or boko haram, this is the authority of the sharia. anyone trying to avoid the rest of this, i am afraid an enemy of this country and that includes the kingdom of saudi arabia. neil: in instances like this we get in indication they really live. >> part of our confusion is we don't want to offend the saudis so we keep pulling punches and i am afraid we are getting people killed in this country as well as elsewhere because of what some called political

correctness, i think it is seen by our enemies as submission, very dangerous business neil: scary stuff. other developments, we got indications that this was not simply a gun issue, you never let a good crisis subside even when the prices does not look out. the mayor of new york is working hard with city pension funds and urging them to divest all holdings in gun companies despite the fact that all indications point to terrorist attack that had nothing to do with guns. deegan mind, the weapons this couple had it they unleashed in san bernardino had nothing to do with the availability of guns as much as the availability of something far more sinister. nonetheless new york city and its mayor are looking to sort of target the gun syllabub makers and make sure the city pension fund -- we don't know if he has the power to do that but is giving it to college drive.

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it was supposed to be 3:00 o'clock eastern. now it is 2:00 o'clock eastern. ninety minutes from now. we have kind of gone here, as you say, neil, rum is it terrorism or not and arguing about that and it appears to be terrorism and to radicalize to, which of the partners. perhaps, is there some other connection more broadly. here is what we know. just to repeat for those that have not heard. tashfeen malik, apparently on facebook posted and allegiance to isis. she then erased it. this took place on or about the shootings. computer recovery apparently is the way federal officials got this. they're not saying exactly how they did that. apparently she posted it under another name. that is the headline.

a lot of questions to be asked by those behind us. we will be here to listen. >> i am just wondering, my friend, whether the timing of that, close to the attacks, quite a well before the attacks, do we know? >> no. we do not know exactly when that took lace. a lot going on if you are shooting up a facility. my daughter is very good about doing for different things and posting to facebook, but i do not know that extends to operating automatic or semi automatic weapons. neil: jeff flock, thank you very much. that presser on at 2:00 p.m. we will take that live when it does begin. jonathan holding has been joining us. getting her act together. especially with isis online.

>> we are in a state oh four. it is perfectly appropriate for the government force to keep us safe. they should be monitoring all of these social media sites. if anyone post anything even remotely about isis, they should absolutely get a call, get an interview. this is what government's role should be. >> that would be the government intruding on private commerce. >> it is right in front of their own eyes. the department of homeland security has 72 people working for it on the terrorist watch list. a function of government unwilling to do its job. no one is talking about moderate muslims. we are talking about people who declared jihad against america. unless we are able to widen up and acknowledge that, online is where these plans i made.

they are not very coy about what they plan. they talk about it. they post about it. monitor it and bring it. neil: it is also a scary possibility for others that worry if the government is setting up algorithms, where buzzwords may be, isis or attack or terror and monitoring everything that is crossing over facebook, i think they get a billion posts. that is a slippery slope. you say what? >> surveillance. private surveillance through pipe line to the internet companies. monitoring all the data. in the public. people should know, they should be scared enough to know that if they post somethingabout isis, states that are known to be associated with islamism is him

or jihad, they will get a knock on the door. they will at least be interviewed. >> the dow is up almost 300 points. getting into the oil component. what is driving this? >> i think that it is a bounce back from janet yellen yesterday. anticipating a rise in interest rates. the market sold off here and i think a lot of people are finding value here. i am worried about this bounce. companies that will be most affected by the slowing of the economy by higher rates. that is why i am not buying this rally. neil: they give very, very much. >> thank you, neil. neil: and okay strategy to choke off our fracking industry. obviously, saudi arabia and the other opec members.

they think they have the ability to withstand all of that. phil flynn on that. how far this goes. >> well, you know, i think that there is a lot of confusion right now. i do not think that we go too much further, as far as price. i think they are taking their communication lessons from mario draghi. they have confused this market. high level opec developments. that they would agree to legitimize the current overproduction at ernie 1.5 million barrels a day. that does not mean we will pump more oil. that means 31.5 million barrels a day. it is legal. guess what, it is not legal anymore. that negotiation broke down the cartel. listen, iranian oil is coming back under the market. we do not want to justify this.

we may want to lower target at the next meeting. there is no target. there is no quota. they could not agree on a quota. that is basically where we are at right now. neil: how low do you think it goes? >> i am seeing the most specific amount in this industry in a generation. we are seeing demand at the highest level we have seen in almost 25 years year-over-year. something has to give at some point. we are in the bottom end of a cycle. i think that we could still crash a little more. a very close to the bottom. neil: we will watch it very close, my friend. particularly, the dow. over 300 points. more than yesterday's 250-point tumble. the same sort of position that we have a strong report that

would push it at a time when the federal meets in a couple weeks. yesterday, they sold off on fears of that. today, confirmation of that. that is kind of that. i know that it makes no sense. there you go. we talked about the san bernardino thing. what about explosives. a lot of explosives. dangerous explosives. how can a young couple assemble these incredible devices? what if i told you they got it out of the magazine? ♪ with the capital one venture card. with venture, you'll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day.

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thousands of remote-controlled that made it devices. where did they get all of that? what if i told you that again. that section of the world. it is sort of like the good housekeeping. i think we have discovered. make a bomb in the kitchen. i kid you not. global security group ceo. they spell it out in these issues exactly how you go about doing this sort of stuff. i guess it is pretty easy. we do not know for sure whether this couple utilize the services of that magazine. >> there was no shortage of resources. if you look back historically at the cookbook and do go online, you can learn all of these things. so many ways to easily assemble explosive devices.

based upon readily available materials. that is the danger. low explosive, but still very, very dangerous. >> could not get all of these components together without setting off alarms. the individual component could. >> you can actually, you can go to the hardware store, one-stop, home depot probably come back with him the materials that you need to make a very dangerous explosive device. some of these devices are very difficult to put together. t agp. they have to be manufactured to very exact standards otherwise they would explode. others are very, very stable. easy to manufacture. unfortunately, anyone could do it. teenage kids. every year you hear about teenage kids detonating a pipe bomb. getting injured.

if a juvenile to linkway, basically, make can manufacture it in their home, it certainly means they can manufacture it in great numbers. neil: it could have been a hell of a lot worse. a remote-controlled detonated bomb attached to a vehicle never went off. that could have taken out exponentially a lot more people. they obviously were going back to their home or staying in the region for reason. i raised this earlier with another guest whether they were planning to meet their maker that day. it seems to indicate that they were up to something else. what do you make of that? >> just one-stop. they could have easily gone home, we armed and gone someplace else. there are some people who inexplicably are trying to make

this an act of workplace violence on steroids. that is the most cowardly and despicable characterization. i think these people were going to do it anyway and perhaps his argument just gave them a target. they knew there would be a lot of people in a confined area. it certainly seems that they were on their way to do something else where. fortunately, the police department stop that before it happened. neil: following up on the fact that this was more than just guns involved. calling on public enterprise. any and all gun manufacturers. billions of dollars worth. new york city and across the country. assault weapons, manufacturers. a public and private investment. helping to put these weapons into the hands of killers.

protecting themselves from. even though we are now learning what we have come to find was not just a gun issue and san bernardino california. you have new york's mayor not letting a good crisis getaway. look at that. despicable. more after this. ♪

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said jobs report. we will keep you posted. we will let you know what the dow is doing. frankly, you would be bored to tears more than i would be. over the new developments that we are getting. it involves all terrorist implications behind that attack. nonetheless, new york city's mayor tested funds in the city. telling those that all holdings in gun companies after these shootings as if they were reasons behind this. gun manufacturers that helps put these weapons into the hands of killers. i have dagen here. i have, here. >> making no political issue. these are relatively small companies. they do not amount to much when it comes to municipality

investments or giant pension funds. if they own any at all. these pensions historically in recent years have gone towards more socially responsible investing. it is highly unlikely that this would matter. he is trying to keep his job. >> i always thought that making political statements with tension funds is not something you should be getting into. >> understood he had the bigger issue, there was a program, i want to make sure i get the program right. reference to it. a demographic for oakland. on talking about it with bill o'reilly. the mayor came in and broke up that program. among other things, doing surveillance at mosques that other cities, what have you. the bloomberg administration was

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jeff: this calls into question the k 1 pisa, what tashfeen malik obtained when she planned to marry syed farook. if you are planning to get married, get married in 90 days you get a green card but to get that green card you have to pass an extensive criminal background check, national security background check, she got the green card, she passed the test. it could be this radicalization, the reports about her pledging allegiance to isis are true, could be that came late in the game or it could have been that it came overseas and we didn't catch it in the background check but as we look at refugees coming into the country to get more extensive screening than this the question is when you give a visa to somebody and a green card how good is that?

how good i the checks under that system? this raises questions about that. neil: we will find out more details about what was said and when. we have former nypd officer, all of these concerns, i want to get your reaction. he heads the l a director of the council on americans islamic relations, the cnn interview, the united states is partly to blame for this uptick in islamic violence. let's not forget, he says, some of our own foreign policies have fuelled this extremism when we support full leaders in egypt or other places, support dictatorships and oppressive regimes, then they become extremists, then they become terrorists so we are partly responsible.

>> i think it is absurd and bordering on idiotic. the idea that these innocent victims, the 12 people killed and dozens injured somehow or another are responsible for their own deaths. neil: i remembered this after 9/11. >> trying to justify the unjustifiable speak to the real need to have a focused conversation on islam and its radicalization of extremists, radicalization on those types of issues, having a discussion about these views, willingness to commit crimes and kill people in the name of religion. neil: pretty good snoop when you look around for clues and connect them better than a lot of people. and terror cells, at san bernardino could have done everything they did on their

own. thousands of rounds of weaponry. do you think they acted alone? >> it is not an active investigation. clearly we know at least some weapons were obtained by a third party. we don't know the connection to is at. we do know there have been some level of communication between the suspects and people with extremist views. we have the pledge of allegiance to isis leader. neil: that is on the part of life. that baked the issue whether tashfeen malik radicalized her husband. what do you think? >> quite possible. it is unusual based upon what we have seen here in america but not impossible. clearly there was a trick to the middle east, matt tashfeen malik, a pakistani, got married,

they came back to the u.s. and this event unfold. clearly, what i see if you look at the ammunition, the weapons, the financing of those weapons given the salary they earned, and then you look at the training, i read the magazines for example, semi-automatic weapons or automatic weapons were ditched, military-style training, you expand the magazine's. neil: you think they got the training here? >> i am not sure they got the training here but clearly it was training intended for something other unlawful purposes. neil: a lot has been made about them giving their 6-month-old child to relatives, that they didn't care, they were going to meet their maker is that they. they had every intention of coming back, every intention of seeing through another act and bad luck for them would have it,

police cornered them, killed them and they never got the chance. >> that is an absolute possibility. they still have a significant statue of any nation's, they had explosives, and in a car, when they work chase by police officers, suggesting they were going somewhere else, certainly not going somewhere else to do something other event violence. neil: could have long gotten out of town. they restating in town. >> there was a law enforcement training exercise nearby and the response of the police may have included a perimeter. they tried to escape in a counter perimeter return home. alternatively they could have returned home to rearm. and were on their way. neil: they have a lot of farmers

thank you very much. let's talk about the notion this couple might have been up to other plans with other people. the administration so far monitoring the josh ernest press conference, so far not attaching terrorism to this just yet but what do you think? >> no way we can try to deny, if you look at preparation and planning that they prepared to do a massive level of execution on this scale they were planning on doing things a lot bigger. luckily law enforcement intervened, able to suppress and keep it contained. neil: e.u. echoes that this was not preplanned final day of their lives kind of thing. they had other things in mind and police intervened or stopped

them. >> absolutely. if we take a look at the tactical style that they went in and they knew it was going to be a gathering on this particular day and this was the prime opportunity to kill as many people as possible, a lot of people that they new but i definitely think it was a preplanned situation, you don't wake up one morning and say i feel like killing everybody and have weapons, guns, ammunition at the ready. this was definitely some planning and preparation. in time i think they will reveal there have been connections to isis or other terrorist organizations that probably fed them the kind of information that they needed to push some over the edge to carry out this level of attack. neil: do you think they had helped? what would you look for is a good investigator in your own right? how would you confirm that would

try to get indications of that? >> phone records, e-mails, phone chats and things of that nature. neil: sorry i keep jumping on you. if the wife is pledging allegiance to isis, we are told that or around the time of the attacks would that be enough for you? what would you tell me? >> that is where we start the investigation. that gives us, i don't want to say smoking gun but that opportunity to look deeper into how deep was her relationship with isis? was it something over at longer period of time and based on that she was able to convince her husband to take upon the same radical movements and i definitely think there is a connection between the whole situation. neil: that goes against -- thought it wouldn't be the in flint -- the woman influencing the man, the husband in this

very perversive type of thinking that would be the man influencing the 0 women. this would allow us carry new chapter. >> to be quite honest i think in america we really have to reexamine our level of freedom and what we used to enjoy as freedom. the way we grew up can no longer be the way we move forward in life. right now america is under attack. weather and the officials in washington wants to acknowledge it or not, every opportunity these terrorists have to take out americans, at a i taking the advantage of that. neil: that will be news to the white house because speaking here, you are a great guest, details are dribbling out but we are not in a position to confirm these details, what do you think of that? >> we have to take this seriously. we can't keep thinking these circumstances or the gun is

driving it. nick they didn't use a gun when he blew up -- guns are real easy i am caught but most terrorist situations we find bombs. we have to address the actual problem, not just ok to use a gun and go after a gun manufacturers. we have to look at the way we provide safety for our citizens of the united states and we may have to infringe upon some of their rights and freedoms in order to protect our future. neil: thank you very much. i am sorry for deporting from our position but i appreciate that. stocks are raising northward, you would think with all this terrorist talk they would be very worried that does not appear to be the case. the fact the we had a strong employment report even though making certain of the rate hike

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wife, tashfeen malik and her pledged loyalty on facebook to the leader of isis. earnest at this point said he can't confirm anything because this is an fbi investigation. from the first few minutes of this press briefing the administration is throwing everything on the shoulders of the fbi, the fbi is the lead investigative agency, the head of the agency was at the white house yesterday, ernest said there should be some sort of briefing later in the afternoon from the fbi so maybe some confirmation and then but as far as details of the investigation nothing from the white house at this moment though they are, at least ernest is bringing up the issue of gun control, he singled out awhile ago congressional republicans and the and are a. neil: thank you. in the meantime former deputy administrator tom blake on whether we are not doing the job

when it comes to folks who travel here. we make a lot of dangers, refugees, you are worried that some slippery characters slipped through. >> ever since 9/11 there has been some concern on the u.s. part as to whether the e.u. and other western partners have been doing the job in terms of sharing intelligence and personal information. that has been improved and the event the just happened in france has broken the floodgates open and we are poised to get much better intelligence information, travel itineraries about those who cover e.u. passports and wants to travel here under the visa waiver program. neil: essentially go on any country's word that those characters coming frito, the reason i mention it, it is a separate issue i grant, if syed

farook were here and tashfeen malik, his wife. and pakistani parents but in the case of that this and nothing to indicate trouble there. the pakistanis, a similar -- we relied on those governments saying everything is okay. that could be dangerous, right? >> absolutely. that has got to change, of visas are required for travel to the u. s, citizens of certain leasing countries so more intense scrutiny on those individuals that want to travel here. neil: what would generate that intense scrutiny, we are learning tashfeen malik went to a pharmacy school in pakistan. by itself that would not generate attention but doing

what we do now maybe it would so is easy to talk about that after the fact but would that be relevant early on? >> you have to target the level of scrutiny to what the threats are that you know about or suspect what the intelligence, what happened in france, that russian airliner in egypt, everything you can possibly do the department of homeland security doing for citizens of certain middle eastern countries that want to come here. having said that the databases i somewhat sparse and so we have to rely on surveillance and checking that we can logically do but unfortunately we can't push the risk totally to zero. neil: i want to pick your brain

on josh ernest not calling it terrorism yet. >> it is unfortunate because that stands in the way of making the progress we need to make. you will hear people from the podium talk about the need to see something say something, and when you see our national leadership won't halt this terrorism that it is makes it much more difficult for the american public and each of us as citizens to respond and do our duty. neil: thank you for taking time to join us, forward tee as an administrator, appreciate it. despite all of these concerns, the fact that they are connecting a lot of terrorist plots, you have many on the left trying to get rid of guns even though this is not a gun issue. mayor bill deblasio, the city of new york now urging the city pension fund, billions of dollars urging others to do the same.

divest yourself of any and all gun manufacturers. that will show them. what about the people who need the guns themselves to ward off the terrorist who have the guns that are going after them? mayor bill is saying tough.

neil: the great thing about covering wall street, if they don't like the way it is going it will change another day sometimes within the day, 3432 points, levon thousand jobs gained, 5% unemployment, about at the range we were telegraphing yesterday, selling off fears the federal reserve was going to hike it and now report that confirmed that sentiment, it is what it is, the dow of being positive territory so there you go and here we go

with charlie gasparino who is following his favorite mayor, bill deblasio, diss invest all gun manufacturers from city pension funds. charles: get his title right, comrade bill deblasio. the socialist mayor of new york. neil: who doesn't want this to be -- obviously on the heels -- charles: a great point, not the first person to do this, and koch did it during apartheid in the 80s, investment from the city pension fund out of south african companies and country bonds. i wonder what practical impact this will have. we should point out that the controller, the mayor has some role. i have to check my facts but the controller largely invests pension fund assets of the city -- neil: they're very politically correct, these guys. charles: they have a fiduciary

responsibility, you are supposed to care about shareholders first. neil: we won't invest in tobacco stocks but tobacco stocks are doing well. charles: a lot of times they follow indexes so it doesn't matter. so this seems like -- charles: i criticize him all the time what the konrad has a lot in common with republicans. neil: he was -- jimenez like -- he is the mayor. he is it mayor of the city so you don't agree with him. >> the mayor who honeymooned in cuba -- neil: were annoyed because you were in the poconos. charles: it is marginal. does smith and wesson care about mayor bill deblasio's

pension-fund. neil: they are still up. charles: it is an hour base. he can make this point. republicans are high fiveing that this is terrorism. it sounds crass but this is politics, this is what goes on. neil: and artillery. charles: if this was a couple mt. men from montana, white separatists, hillary's people would be high fiveing, we can play this in terms of pure and simple deegan is out of people's hands but visitor telerate cut anything terror related. charles: u.s. embassy in nigeria -- neil: the group planning attacks against hotels in the country

frequented by westerners, notably americans, great message for u.s. citizens, the timing or method of any planned attacks, urging extreme caution. charles: the economy might be getting better. what you would want is the economy getting better and terrorism off the table. chances are terrorism is not going to be off the table. she may have an economy with 4% unemployment, people feel very skittish even about that. wages have not grown enough. neil: worry less about their wallets and having a body attached to it. charles: why is donald trump for all the negative class sense of he said polling close to hillary right now? and up in the polls. the thief would 20 -- neil: the mayor sends his best. mayor bill deblasio. a little more. there's no shortage in this world.

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they're considered to be soft targets where a lot of westerners vacation and u.s. embassy now, sending out this warning out of abundance of caution. we have the paul on this and san bernardino developments as well all rolled together. what do you make of these latest threats? can you hear me, paul? >> neil, i'm sorry. neil: i apologize. you might have heard these latest concerns and warnings put out in nigeria and for travel to and from that country on part of westerners about possible attacks. what's going on? >> obviously what is happening neil, what we said the jv team is actually the varsity. targets towards westerners as we travel abroad has been and will continue to increase as we start moving into the holidays, no question about it. hotels, yes, but any public venue as well. we saw that with the mall incident year ago with boko haram.

that is just going to continue. neil: i'm wondering if you still choose foreign locations but still want to go after americans. >> no question. neil: might be easier to do so at foreign locales. is that what is going on here? >> i don't know, neil. we have plethora of soft targets in the united states. it is up to them feel greatest return for investment on attack will be. we're looking at malls, no question about that. movie theaters as we've seen before. paris is indication what we can expect on american soil. at this point it is very organized effort on their part. they're looking for greatest return on investment. neil: a lot has been made of killers who were destroying their electronic equipment, digital footprint if you will so authorities wouldn't know what they were up to. i don't think they planned on getting killed that day. i could be wrong. but they were, we're told from others planning something else, they certainly had a lot of weaponry for something else. >> right. neil: what do you make of all that and what they were trying

to hide? >> you know he, neil, it's a great question. i'm glad you're bringing this up. two different parts about agenda and motivation behind their trying to delete or get rid of information. one from the personal device standpoint and other from social media standpoint. depend how they were deleting. they said they deleted information. depend how they deleted. simply took files and emptied that deleted box they're recoverable. they could have set that on fire they're still discoverable. if they go to advance scrubbing programs, military grade, would be extremely difficult, not impossible to recover the files. on social media side though we have really something called that provider dependent type of situation. so if they went, let's say shut down facebook, shut down twitter, shut down instagram, these providers will maintain information solid 30 days going forward.

if we act expeditiously on that, possible we'll be able not just retain the information but see mosaic, footprint if you will, who they were communicating with, how they were getting trained, how they were getting fund, et cetera. neil: weird, weird. my friend, good to see you. >> always good to see you, neil, thank you. neil: with the latest developments. thank you, paul. we're telling you what to do online, if facebook had news or certainly new of a woman named tashfeen malik and posting allegiance to isis even knew that days before the attack, would book be obligated to report that. a lot of folks are asking, a lot of them are demanding. after this.

>> time now for your fox business brief. i'm connell mcshane. the jobs report, the big business story of the day, strong number 211,000 non-farm jobs added. most market watchers seem to think that will seal the deal for a fed rate hike this month. with that we have a huge rally in the stock market today. you like upward revisions to september and october job growth as well. almost 2% now on the dow for, a gain. now one of the individual stocks leading the way earlier in the day, hitting all-time high, mcdonald's up by more than two bucks. with stocks going that way the story earlier today was what was happening to oil.

even with big gains for stocks, oil down 2 1/2%. opec set higher ceiling than expected. instead of moving same direction, stock market is moving in opposite direction. many not all. neil back with more "coast to coast" in a moment.

neil: all right. reuters is reporting that isis publication, not getting the name of publication. i know it is not "inspire" magazine. that is separate one.

al qaeda i believe. followers of this group carried out the attacks in san bernardino. indication on same day that tashfeen malik, wife of syed farook pledged isis affiliations on facebook. we don't know exact time. we're told days around the attack in san bernardino. lizzie macdonald follows this sort of stuff. the pressure on social media to get this out. what do they normally do, lizzie with this kind of stuff? >> what they normally do, i talked with facebook and in touch with twitter and google in the past and in touch with social media and internet companies today, they unplug and take down violent content. usually happens after user alerted social media to this content. what a new bill would have done in senate intelligence which has been since been killed by silicon valley lobby groups, based on existing laws governing

child pornography content on social media, in that event the social media companies have to alert law enforcement about child porn. they said let's take the law, if you see terrorist activity, just tell law enforcement. the law said no monitoring. we're not asking facebook to monitor. just alert us if you see it, alert law enforcement if you see it. neil: let's say they hear after woman on line pledging her allegiance to isis. i don't know whether they kicked her off in facebook's case, would a law like that obligate them to share that with authorities? >> would have to have alerted law enforcement. right now they just take down the page. neil: even though that association itself would indicate she was up to no good? >> that's right. what senator richard blumenthal said if you allow this law, take effect, would chill free speech, would turn facebook into the

facebook bureau of investigation. they're qualified, facebook and twitter are qualified to root out and look at and report terrorist activity. neil: they have sophisticated algorithms that can take the hassle out of this, right? >> apparently yeah, looking at both sides they could basically say we see this activity like child porn we'll report it to law enforcement. neil: right, right. >> one issue, i talked to wall street analysts about this, it would take money have activity, in other words, social media sites take responsibility to train employees to basically report this activity. neil: gotcha. >> we saw it in the u.k., when lee rigby the soldier was beheaded on streets of london. there was posting to facebook, it said, let's kill a soldier. that is what happened the soldier eventually got killed. what law enforcement is saying, isis is not like al qaeda. it does not have a command-and-control structure.

it self-radicalizing people on internet and issues battle commodity hands on the internet. representative schiff, dianne feinstein both out of california have been saying social media sites need to step up and do a little more. neil: if you want to stay there, i want to bring in your old pal adam lashinsky, into this. what do you make of this, adam and whether such companies are obligated to share this information? i can understand from a legal standpoint. neil: one slip-up they have a huge lawsuit. what do you make of this? >> i think it's a lofty goal. i question how realizic it is. the question would be, is the company any better qualified to find these profiles, these terrorist postings than other users, including law enforcement agencies who we know are monitoring facebook, twitter and other other sites as well.

i'm encouraging them maybe, maybe obligating them to do more. i'm just not sure that is the best use of our resources. neil: i always say the algorithm thing and i barely understand it but there are ways certain words come up like sissies, terror, decap pate, would immediately cite individual user time and get it to authorities this is something you might want to look at? it wouldn't be that herculean? >> it might be perfectly good first step and might be a huge waste of time. it might call up all sorts of things would be certain would think is in realm of free speech. neil: sorry, adam, getting up book, facebook executive confirmed that the wife's online post praising terror group, happened as the attacks before, but as the attacks began. what do you make of that? the. >> well i guess it speaks to my

point. this, so if what this is, this executive is saying is true that wouldn't help law enforcement any. neil: exactly. that case it couldn't help. >> well it could have. this is brand reputation issue too. the top executive here has said that if it was another business and somebody came into your business and said, you know, i love isis, i think isis is great, we know that in the past, companies have alerted law enforcement about possible crimes that were talked about. neil: they are afraid of being sued if they missed something? >> yes. there is issue about free speech and turning people into secret police and snitches. that is a serious issue as well. >> i want to make one important point. we know that law enforcement, law enforcement officials are using these sites for their surveillance purposes. so there is a real chicken and egg catch 22 here. neil: facebook, gets what, a billion post as day? how are they doing that.

>> and law enforcement is monitoring facebook and twitter. neil: i don't believe that. i don't believe that. >> fbi director james comey has said they're having trouble tracking these guys on internet. they have said that. >> but in some instances -- >> they're trying, they go into the dark web. that is issue. neil: dark web, absolutely. >> that is the news. neil: bottom line would you think the government should get involved in this adam? you sound like you're saying no? >> no, i'm not convinced that they shouldn't. i'm not convinced how effective would be, sure, they should try everything. neil: lizzie? >> given that you have to do it for child porn, i'm just reporting back to what you law enforcement said, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch for them to do the same if they see terrorist activity. neil: guys, i want to thank you you, very, very much but again a facebook executive confirmed the long charge out there, tashfeen malik pledged her allegiance to

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wonder who it hurts more though. we've seen it as low as 39.10. may be lower gas prices for you and maybe a little loose change. aforementioned charles payne what do you make of this? >>well, the stock market first. the market is happy to see that what janet yellen will do, raise rates is somewhat justified. neil: i gotcha. >> in other words, if she would have raised rates, proved she was independent or just time and no traction with the economy that would have been a big mistake. yesterday her counterpart in europe, mario draghi never liked idea of printing money not like ben bernanke and yellen. he made comments that spooked market. we were going to be up 100 point at open. consequently we were down. he made comments to try to clean up over in europe. neil: what did he say? >> more or less i will do what i have to do to play ball. neil: negative interest rates. >> if you put money in bank you pay them to hold it. deposit rate, you owe them money. neil: that's weird.

>> here is buck. when i come back give me 9 cents. really crazy -- 97 cents. that is designed to force people to spend their money. that is what it is all b if you're not rewarded for savings, what the heck go spend it. >> this country is saying now at least she has ammunition, chicago fed president notwithstanding she has that cover? >> she has that cover. initially when the number came out i thought interesting, gains were all gone. some people thought the number was too strong and hike at faster rate. that is kind of silly. 297,000 private sector jobs, 2 cents wage gain. that is not exciting stuff. goldilocks. good enough for her to raise rates periodically. by the same token this thing won't over heat. neil: news on chipolte the

e.coli mess doesn't get any less messy. expanded to few more states, few more people. >> hip, urban hip dwelling kids and millenials pay 20 bucks for a burger because all natural. they have killed the cow yesterday. you know what, now they're paying price for it. i got to tell you something, there is more competition. they had problems before e.coli. some growing participation if you will. this makes it a lot worse -- growing pangs. neil: all healthy, all fresh this, is boon to those who had preservatives. >> there is reason mankind developed preservatives. there is reason, you go 1900 we lived to be 42. now we live to be 90. there is a reason for that, okay? preservatives actually play an important role in keeping us alive. neil: that's amazing. i won't touch that one. i do want to get your thoughts real quickly on facebook. facebook executive confirming that the wife in the attacks had

in fact posted this isis allegiance online but did so the day of the attacks. what do you think? >> it is tough but i think social media sites can do a lot more. we talk about algorithm trading and billions and billions of trades going through and computers -- neil: all that is very easy to do. you can pick the words that you want. >> it is. pledge allegiance, isis, boom, boom. nanoseconds pick it all up. neil: do they do enough, in most cases, i don't know in this case to kick someone off for that kind of language, but should the next step being alert authorities? >> no doubt about it. neil: judge andrew napolitano says -- >> i don't know if they have a legal responsibility but certainly as stewards, they want to be the highway of our lives, we put everything about ourselves in their hands, they should keep us safe. neil: well-put, charles payne. look forward to your show tonight. if any of you are natural or whole foods lovers, charles is not saying that is a bad thing to do. we are saying though processed

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neil: right. the california press conference. indications from facebook that the wife of the terror attack or, she was showing her allegiance to isis on the day of the attack. not days of the attack, the date of this attack. we are separately getting a terror alert from the american embassy. the abundance of caution. be on guard. throughout the country. especially hotels frequented by western tourists.

it sounds a lot like the tunisia threats that when out. lone gunman went out. you are right. it is very similar. almost the same exact way. trish regan. trish: thank you very much. the san bernardino police department preparing to brief the public he had looking at the suspect. the female suspect. pledge allegiance to isis on facebook. just as he and her opened fire at the christmas party. video of the couple's apartment where they were hounding and ied bomb factory. we are waiting for the update from the san bernardino police department. evidence that the massacre was motivated by islamic terror. you are looking at video of this couple's