see the responses from viewers. overwhelming support for donald trump on this. stuart: overwhelming. cheryl: overwhelming. it's surprising. they believe in him. stuart: it's fascinating. neil cavuto, my time is up, but it's yours now. neil: thank you, sir, we've got a lot to follow here, not only this crazy dow but more we're getting on syed farook, it went down in san bernardino, california and now we're finding out from the fbi director that syed farook radicalized a lot before not just within the last year but try the last three years. they even met online and as early as 2013 they were talking about things like jihaddism and working to find others that were involved. so far seems to be indicating to those questioning on capitol hill that there are a lot of eyes that are not dotted and ts crossed but show

communication among these two either individually or together over the last few months that would seem to indicate others could have been involved. he didn't sigh outright that they were but there was a lot of talk back and forth on all of the above. all right. now, let's get the read on all of this and whether he thinks that this is building into a bigger situation. security committee member congressman for the state of pennsylvania scott perry. congressman, still early i grant you, but what do you make of this that this couple was deeper in terror and more radicalized than anyone thought, certainly last week at this time? >> well, i think that's exactly what we're going to see and there's no surprise with that, and i think we're going to see that their network is going to be larger than maybe just those two; right? it's hard to pull these things off all on your own and certainly the process of being radicalized, i think it's somewhat difficult or improbable that you just completely do that on your own in a vacuum.

if there's one other person involved, there's more people involved, and i think we're going to see this more and more in western areas as the ideology spreads. neil: if you buy the argument that a lot of this was building up 2012, 2013, that's obviously before isis itself got much footing. which leads me to think that they were being radicalized through other elements or pure anger. what do you make of that? >> that's a great point, neil, and the point of that the president and many saying isil, isis dash, this is the enemy. the enemy is this ideology, and it didn't start with isis or isil, it takes its genesis back before al-qaeda and that's what americans and westerners need to realize is that this is ideology, it has the name of isis today, al-qaeda yesterday, maybe tomorrow it's the core group or whatever but it's the ideology that we need to combat, and we need to be focusing our attention on. charles: you know, do you ever

get the feeling, congressman, that whether it's james from the fbi or charter defense, that they're more worried than they're letting on? or certainly more wary than in the white house. >> well, look, it's a double-edged sword. that they're position where they know more americans and at the same time they know what we're doing about it and they don't want to telegraph an era of panic. so they have a double-edged sword there that they're seeing the threat, they're seeing what we're doing about it, and they can't let their personal concerns be put in the way of that. they -- we don't need to be panicking americans, especially for generally speaking on the problem. the question is are we really on the problem or are we throwing more gasoline on this fire while we're saying we're putting it out? and i think that's a trust issue. the more that they say there's not a problem and the more that these things happen, the less confident americans will be. neil: yeah, i just think you

hit the nail on the head, the more may come, the more raddled, but congressman, thank you very much. >> well, thank you. have a great day, neil. neil: ceo jenny with us right now, a lot to talk to her but, jenny, i know first you're appealing that this pile on donald trump over this banning muslim comment is overdue and they're making a bigger production about it, that is the media than is wandered, explain. >> well, thanks for having me, neil. i think that the media is missing with a broader point of what donald trump is saying is what he's been saying all along throughout his campaign and that is we have a problem with our immigration system in this country. the immigration system, the way that it's happening now is making america less safe, and we have to address that and make sure that we have a strong, secure border and our entire immigration system ensures that we have a strong, secure border. neil: and it's interesting

too, jenny, you and i talked about this before this notion that he's being a bigot in saying this. when americans are typically asked -- even ant anecdotally about this they worry too about radicalized and what donald trump is saying frees into the united states until we get a handle on this who might go too far? now, he's tried to finesse that somewhat but with conservative groups, liberal groups seem to be joining together and saying targeting a group for their religion is going too far. do you feel that targeting a group for their religion is pushing it? and that is hurting him. >> i think that it isn't so much what incas to what donald trump's statement is about, it's more going to be what the american people think about what donald trump is saying. we know that the american people. neil: well, i'm going to take a leap here, when the polls

come out, he's going to go up in pulls, he may go down in the mainstream, but he's been down with them anyway, and i think he'll go up because he's relying a frustration, now, the mainstream media will tell you a bigot of information but for the very physical well-being. what do you think? >> that's exactly right, and he has said until we figure out what's going on, until our representatives can figure out what's going on, and certainly the american people want to know what's going on, what would allow the attack in san bernardino to happen and how can we prevent that from happening again? and as far as that part of the statement that he made goes i think that that resonates very well with the american people. people want to know what's going on and how to solve the problem. we also know we can't continue to do the same thing and expect different results. we're having another surge on the southwestern border right now of illegal immigrants coming into the country or being caught trying to come into the country. we have to solve these problems. it's what donald trump has

been saying and, in fact, it's what tea party patriots have been focused on for the last few years as we've watched these problems progress in our country along the border. neil: real quickly while i have you, the irs has a clean bill and pass on that focusing on conservative groups like your own. how do you feel about that? because it doesn't look like anyone's going to be punished. >> well, we are certainly supporting the impeachment of john, the irs commissioner, we want congress -- neil: well, don't hold your breath on that. don't hold your breath. let's be real. >> the other thing is -- well, and you're right. they've gotten a pass on it and now the irs is proposing to collect social security numbers of those who donate $250 or more to nonprofit, tea party members are standing up against that and we're asking the viewers to do the same and make comments to do that. neil: do you think they would apply the same rigorous standards to liberal groups

and liberal efforts like they do with groups like your own? >> if past performance is any indication, they certainly will not. and we don't want small nonprofit organizations across this country, churches, the local community organizations to have to collect social security numbers. neil: all right. thank you very much. a lot to discuss with you and jenny beth martin, well, donald trump this whole muslim dust up all the colleagues and competitors piling on, and he doesn't like that when that happens, and he once again gave voice to this rumor that he just might vote for the republican party if it keeps happening. he's indicated already in tweets and what have you that two out of three of his supporters would happily vote for him as a third candidate, charlie gasparino on that reality or possible reality. what do you think, charlie. >> i think he's been effectively booted from the establishment republican party, whether that matters or not in this election, i can't tell you. neil: but despite his

establishment views -- >> here's what the establishment people tell me when i talk to them and when they look at their internal polls. trump generally does not attract a regular republican voter. actually he attracts what they say is people who may trend to vote republican but don't always vote. so he's bringing a whole new class of voters in. so it may not matter that much is what they're trying to say. i don't know if i agree with that. trump -- neil: establishment is saying that? >> yes. neil: well, if he wins as a republican bringing in these -- >> that's the whole thing. there is is a contradiction terms and they're scared. they're really scared about this. neil: what do you make that maybe donald trump is threatening this because he doesn't like the kind of treatment he's received. but let's take the leap that he gets frustrated, runs as a third party candidate, set the metric in recent history as the most successful third party candidate garbage about 19% of the vote. but if memory doesn't fail me,

i don't think he got a single electoral vote. it's an uphill run to do that, but what do you think? >> big time uphill and it's not whether or not he's supported in third party run, the reality is a lot of states have what they call sore loser laws that do prevent candidates from staging a bid in a different party, in this case as an independent, so he would have to run into those procedural hurdles, the reality is he's going to end up splitting the vote. if donald trump is appealing away republican voters or people who are trending toward republican, then this deep republican fear which is the whole thing animating this why donald trump has to stay loyal to the party is he's going to make hillary clinton the next president of the united states. >> well, that's their fear. that's all they're talking about right now, if he runs, she will get in on the same formula her husband got in. bill clinton never got 50% of the vote. back-to-back elections. because of ross and, yeah, he didn't -- he didn't get electoral vote but a lot of

popular votes and swang states to bill clinton. so that's the real fear. i will say this. i think they're making a huge tactical mistake attacking him as some sort of racist. when you talk to the average people on the street, listen, he's not calling for camps as roosevelt did. neil: calling him nazis. >> he's saying -- i'm not saying i agree with that, but he's not going that far, and i will say one other thing. this is very interesting. if you understand the politics of immigration. you have to pledge allegiance to the constitution when you come in. when you're an immigrant. when you're born here, you don't have to do that. when you're an immigrant you have to say i pledge allegiance to the constitution. shari law did not allow that, does that allow our pledge of allegiance to our constitution? neil: it's an open ended debate but one question in the political situation if you can

help me with this is i know republican concerns that he's so antiestablishment that he's saying stuff that's worried, going to lose minority votes, latino, et cetera, but he is picking up to charlie's point all of these groups traditionally are not your republican-based voter, and i'm wondering if that's making up for that difference and there's -- they're gouging the goose in their corner and chase the guy that could win it. >> and the republicans came in and say how come. stuart: and what active all of these voters that want to vote for us? i do think donald trump is activing a voter that most have never predicted before, especially given his celebrity status. neil: the blue collar, the that ronald breaking reagan got. >> and the mainstream media

doesn't know these people exist, "the new york times" doesn't write to some construction worker in ohio disrupted by the fact that he can't get a job or his wages are going down, they don't appeal to that. we've been in this business for a long time, we know what the average journalist is like, they're not like average americans, come from very elite schools, they see some guy in ohio driving a pickup truck as an endangered species. so that's the type of voter he's appealing to and let me tell you something. when you talk to every single establishment republican who thought romney was going to win this be they say that voter stayed home last time. they did not vote. neil: didn't get the passion vote. so do you think trump survives all of this? >> that he survives? yes, i do because he's survived saying that john mccain isn't a war hero. going all the way back, he's survived a lot, and i think what this is a lesson in how donald trump is -- not exactly a great politician.

he appeals to a lot of people but there was a way for him to do this, that would absolve all of this controversy which is to talk about stopping immigration from countries. neil: well, i respectfully disagree, he calibrated this, he knew the response, he wrote this down, i think this was by design. >> neil, four of the top went on my app when the story started popping up, four of the top eight stories were about donald yesterday afternoon. i was, like, that is free advertising you can't buy. neil: yeah. >> and this is to rescue him from ted cruz in iowa? is that the idea? >> i don't know. but i think donald -- you're the bill guy, not me, i'm just a simple country reporter. neil: there's nothing country about you. >> kisses iowa goodbye because that's not the religious guy, he's going to do pretty well in other places. neil: all right. you know, grass is something you mow. >> really? i thought you smoke it; right?

neil: in some perspective. look at the time. we've got the oil markets all over the map here. here's what happens lately. oil goes down, markets go down, oil goes up, markets go up. i know that seems counterintuitive these days but the way it is now oil issues dominance within the dow, the s&p, that's what she wrote. more after this ♪

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stuart: all right. quick look at the price of oil right now, in and out sliding away, in out of seven-year lows, in or out that it's going to be a reflection of the tanking economy but this is also oxygen for isis, gets a lot of money from oil, so you would fcc oil prices are dropping, the financial wear of isis to do things it does would be dropping as well.

that is not such a gimme and who knows better than washington institute counterterrorism program director dr. matt who has been digging into isis's financing and one of the things you discovered is that they have options; right? could we explore what they are? >> sure, neil, they do have options and, in fact, oil is not their number one source of money, their number one source of money is taxation or extortion of the local population and given that it's one population you can only extort so much money over and over and over out of the same people to walk down the street to take money out of your bank account to travel did to do business. and as we've had more air strikes over the past few weeks changing the rules of engagement so that we can now target actual refineries, not just those mobile refineries, but the big ones, the oil heads, hitting the convoys of trucks. we are now biting into their ability to make money from oil, and as much as we can push back their control of

territory, we can also minimize the amount of territory they control, the number of people they control for whom they can try and extract funds from taxation and extortion. neil: you know, what's interesting think about it -- well, i guess you reported right now isis's daily income at least as of a couple of months ago, was around $3 million a day. overall fortune of about 1.3 to $2 billion. the fact of the matter is that some of their most notorious attacks have been done relatively on the cheap and sometimes by surrogates who don't need money from the mother ship, do it on their own or take out a loan on their own. appears to be the case of california. so one of the things we talk about when we talk about isis and its funding is we are missing the fact is that they haven't needed a lot of money to do what they do. what do you think of that? >> well, they're doing multiple things. to do what they're doing in syria and iraq, to build this state, that requires a lot of money.

not only to fund their war machine but to pay for the teachers and garbage collection and all of that. but to take terrorism abroad whether it's in paris or san bernardino, meaning whether it's a foreign directed attack that they're overseeing as in paris or it's inspired, that cost very little amount of money. and as we saw here in california, it appears they took out a loan and paris also criminal activity financing that activity. those operations, talking about small thousands of dollars to be able to carry out very, very successful and lethal attacks. neil: do you take, by the way, doctor, at face value these early reports that the two terrorists last week did on their own? they might have been talking to isis operatives and the like abroad but the financing and the perpetrating of this attack was them and just them, this money seemed to be coming via loan and not any wired funds from isis? i know it's a field from what we were going to be talking about, but your thoughts on

that? >> i'll be very surprised if there's any funding from other sources. it's just not necessary. too easy to fund your own operations, although the fbi director is informing as of today that it appears that they were radicalized before they got married, before they started dating, meaning before the rise of the islamic state. neil: bingo. >> they were already heading down this direction. neil: well put. washington institute counterterrorism director, good having you on. >> pleasure. neil: and, by the way, we are getting more details to matt's point about what we know about this couple if you were radicalized years ago, then is it a recent issue? and should we have known about that? and radicalized to the point before these two met online let alone got engaged and married. what do we now know? think about that. they were rad kyleized before there even was an isis. wow. stick around. you're watching fox business

neil: this has been an uncanning trend, just opposite with of what we experienced a few months ago, oil goes down, stocks go down too, the belief that we have some global problems here, the market goes up, oil goes up, that is not happening, though, if oil is weakening, well, the world must be weakening and stocks weakening and on and on we go. but we do have a big ol' merger to tell you about. they're trying to make this happen, it might be easier said than done. connell mcshane on that. connell. >> the chemical companies, dow chemical and dupont, if it weren't for dupont today, things would be a lot worse, we were saying about anne hour ago that dupont was leading the rally, but as you say that turned around, these have not, this has turned around today and the talk in the wall street journal and other places may soon be final. it's interesting the stock dupont has been doing well

anyway leading up to this since they made the guy named ed the ceo in october the stock has gone up about 40% and everyone saying he would be the ceo of the company from dow being executive chairman. and as for the deal itself, a number of interesting elements if indeed it does come to fruition. first of all, it's huge, it would be gigantic. both companies 60 billion plus, so combine them 120, $130 billion combine value in these two companies and if the do merge, it may, quote, unquote, be mergers of equals it may spin off or break newspaper three separate businesses. one of them agricultural, one of them specialty chemicals, the other commodity chemicals and the idea there would be to satisfy the regulators. the question there would be is that enough to satisfy the regulators? because this would be a big deal. now, these companies, neil, have already been working it out amongst themselves trying to get lienor, trying to focus

on fast-growing businesses and this deal even though it combines them analysts say it would accelerate that because of the break up of three separate companies. so bottom line huge deal in the works of mergers $4.4 trillion in takeovers in 2015 and this would add to it,. neil: and we've still got a few weeks ago. on so far why that is the market is back even though it's a funny way of showing it. what do you make, scott. >> i think it's an interesting deal. it's one of those where if you can't create your own efficiencies, what do you do? you buy other companies or merge with them to do that. and when you have activist investors like dan lobe and so forth who are out there trying to make these companies frankly better for shareholders and better for the long-term growth of the companies themselves, that's what companies have to do out there to do this. and i think so far the market's taking it pretty well. but how does this company look

long term? nobody knows because we have growth fill the u.s. allows the economic environment worldwide so that's why these companies are struggling today. neil: you know, scott, having covered so many of these mergers the few years i have been in this business the one thing i've discovered that wall street leaps up on the activity, they make a lot of money off of it but what we lose sight in is eventually there's a lot of down sizing as a result. you don't need two two legal staffs, you don't need two pr -- you know the drill and then the layoffs generally follow and that leads to hiccup or worse for the economy. do you worry about that? do you worry that all of these combinations are going to produce a wave of pink slips just when we don't need them? >> i worry about it in certain sectors, neil, like commodities. like agriculture, or dupont which is where these three play, so, yes, if you're

working in these industries, oil and analogous, those are areas that you should be worried about, how they're going to downsize, the word they use is efficient size, which means labor cuts and things like that because that's certainly part of what these inculpates doing. neil: scary stuff. thank you, friend, always good seeing you. i want to go real quick to washington right now, fbi director where essaying that, you know, he doesn't really give a lick about politics, he is focused on this investigation and terror that the president -- necessarily been briefed on a lot of these subjects that it's not a gimme that he dies but he's doing his job and focus on that job and in his case weed out the terror and the elements they are. even if they are right here in homegrown american-born terrorist. why that's more than a problem than you know. a lot more. we spell it out after this

neil: all right. taking a look at these markets. down. working on a chart that will blow you away. incredible correlation. anything you see on any other financial network. stay tuned for that. all right. in the meantime. threatening this country. not guys just wandering over

from syria or iraq. and a lot of them are born here. being radicalized here. isis related activity. >> there is a new study out by george washington university. taking a look at just that. and charge with right eye -- isis related activity. the average age being 26. that is younger than folks have been arrested for terrorism in the past. >> teenage girls and 14-year-old ban. some of them are drifters. some of them with mental illnesses. well-adjusted individuals. >> about 3% of the 71 arrested convert it to islam. because the background of the sympathizers are so diverse. they are unlikely to be motivated by the same factors.

john carlin said they all have one similarity. >> we are not seeing a confined to one particular to kraft region or ethical group. what we see here in the united states, the one contactor is social media being involved in every one of these cases. >> social media is not the only case of radicalization. they are going online because that is their only real life connection to the group. about 300 individuals identified as american supporters of isis. now isis is exploring the emotions, needs and witnesses of young americans. one third of those twitter accounts were operated by women. neil, the scary thing is, this is just the tip of the iceberg. 900 investigations of isis sympathizers. all 50 states across the country.

a new reality that we are faced with. neil: thank you very, very much. what have i told you. it is not some angry thing with very little education. of the education ladder. elizabeth macdonald. liz: the new report. based on academic studies and british intelligence. surprisingly, many have suspected -- they found about half of the terrace that they have studies, newly 330 of them had higher university degrees. the majority of them had engineering degrees. osama bin laden.

all have engineering degrees. including terrorists that did that attack on the tunisia beach recently. they are not economically distressed. this is also coming out of the university. i will wrap it up now. these individuals are ideal groups. why? they do not have the critical thinking, that critical analysis. education. check the box. passing what is right and what is wrong. >> do not question authority. it knocks down one of the arguments that you have heard from even secretary of state john kerry. if you listen to british prime minister david cameron giving a speech over the summer, it is the extremist ideology.

that is how it is happening. so large to pieces together. a lot of this is anecdotal. people are radicalized in different ways. neil: the only way they find a comfortable home and environment. >> it sounds crazy because it is a murderous cult. they islamic state is reaching out to people with millennial malaise, if you will. they feel their lives are empty. the education system in north africa and the middle east. here is what they found. they do not have the liberal arts kind of degrees. again and again, they think they were learning.

what they were talking about in great britain. they need to have an education reform going on in the middle east and north africa. they are basically producing students that are ripe for recruiting. how do you change that? they are also finding that these individuals, because they do not question the status quo, sometimes employers do not want them. you look through the networks and hamas and has lot. engineering degrees. dagen: that is why we need to treat this threat much more seriously than we have. these are people being recruited and radicalized. it is a ideology. it comes down to a murderous extreme ideology.

>> we're getting there. apologizing. the police shooting. fourteen months ago. he has been demanding changes. he said it happened on my watch. if we're going to fix it, i want you to understand it is my responsibility to fix it and i am sorry. elsewhere, we are finding out more for this old schiphol day outbreak period from bad to worse. the latest on the boston students reported sick from this latest outbreak. now at 120. directly relating to stories in that area. 120 infected over the last 48 hours. we will keep you posted. i do want to show all that is happening. lost 25% since these first visits.

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neil: all right. a day where we're just spending more money. up against another budget deadline. you wonder surely there are ways to avoid this sort of thing. template goes through it line by

line. it is not a pretty job, but somebody has to do it. >> trying to time the release on events. we call it the force she awakens. neil: i think it is a brilliant idea. trying to get back to the report there. what are some of the examples? monkeys running on treadmills. what do you think of that? >> just a couple of years. finding a shrimp on a treadmill. video footage of monkeys on a treadmill. what kind of reasons are they trying to discover with that, we

really have no idea. >> some of this seems like chump change. looking at anything that is $1000. the one thing i found interesting is how unattractive people date attractive people. have i known the results, i mud could have had a much more high school experience. >> a lot of these are congressional air marks. members of congress identifying collaboration with their local university. these are not congressional air marks. these are the federal agencies. national science foundation. just deciding what research they want to find. $1.3 million to see who these actually keep your. $5 million to try to convince

hipsters, which they have to define a hipster to get them to stop smoking somehow. >> this has got to have an intended audience. is it just busy work? >> i do not know. it would be better spent it by the end of the year. sometimes you just scratch your head and you think they have to realize. this is the fight club. duke university got $700,000 to pin the shrimp against each other. thirty-four species. i am not sure what useful resources they have. if we ever go to war with shrimp. maybe. neil: it is wild stuff. thank you for taking the time. we updated you earlier on that. dagen mcdowell back with us now.

dagen here because she is all over it on the difference between the two. why would it be easier to wrap our hands around them? >> e. coli is more dangerous. a neural virus. nor rotavirus is the major cause of foodborne sickness in this country. we normally hear about it on cruise ships. when you read a report about dozens of people getting sick on a cruise ship and they have to scrub the whole shift down. that is very often through food handling. it is highly, highly contagious. neil: before it got there -- dagen: the handling within this one restaurant.

e. coli is more dangerous and harder on the body. a normal individual, you get vomiting and diarrhea. if you are a healthy adult, you can get over it without medical assistance. e. coli can get you a whole lot sicker. a restaurant chain has to figure out where it is coming from. a source of lettuce, for example or spinach and the like. neil: it could get to the bottom of this. the company's stock. the latest cases. that would be better. >> it would be. dagen: people still got very ill from that. even if it is just one restaurant. by the way, another outbreak in

california. before that e. coli problem. that was earlier this year. you are starting to see the pileup of one restaurant here. that e. coli and now the norovirus. how are you managing these properties. do you have the proper food safety handling. not just the supply. it is this food being handled properly. it speaks to management. neil: could stuff. >> i am an expert on throwing up and diarrhea. [laughter] lou: take a look at this. the dow down 100 points. what is going on with oil. again, counter intuitive. we used to go down when oil went up. now will you go down when oil is going down. maybe something more.

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neil: how low do we go? down around $37 a barrel. you know what, a lot lower. what needs to be a lot higher. we are a long way with that. weaker than expected. and all time high. neil: why are they doing that, by the way? >> it is not just opec.

all of the country needs money. iraq. iran. libya. nigeria. all of these companies are producing less than the corridor fueled by opec. saudi arabia, kuwait. even saudi arabia. they lost market shares. now to iraq. obviously, the iranian situation, by the end of this year early next year, the sanction, the iranian government will probably be that. neil: how much? real quickly. >> you know, again, i am not in the $20 camp.

i am not even in the $30 camp. i think it will be more for longer. not likely at all. neil: that happy no. thank you very much. our economy and everything else that is going on right after this. ♪

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neil: you really know social media is under pressure. prominent democratic liberals say we have to rein them in or at least urge them, coax them to start helping out. jo ling kent on how congress is taking up a number of terror bills and calling on these guys to do something and soon. jo ling: neil, that is right. for some breaking news. just moments ago, the director

left the stand that the judiciary hearing with some very interesting developments with what the fbi is dealing with. the encryption is blinding the fbi. one of the attempted shootings earlier this year in garland, texas, two gunmen were boarded by law enforcement. right before, one of the shooters had 109 messages to a terrorist outside of the country. not able to read them because they are encrypted. this gives terrorists around the world and around our country a serious advantage. the fbi feels like it is going backwards in this regard. he calls it a very big problem. diane feinstein said that she is planning to produce a bill that would require companies to hand over any suspicious terrorist content from their sites.

a bill just passed. it is headed to the house floor demanding more information from the white house on its strategy. specifically what is available to law enforcement and agencies. cyber security organizations. that was authored by ted poe a republican from texas. >> thank you very, very much. a former u.s. deputy attorney general. can you tell google or facebook or twitter, handed over. we suspect that there is bad guys doing stuff on your site. >> yes. probably. there is a legal basis for that. one would hope that the companies would cooperate. we face an unprecedented

challenge. it will take an unprecedented effort and cooperation for both the private sector and government to do what needs to be done. >> facebook policy on what is considered file or threatening language. shutting down the guy from the site. prompting them to shut the page down. why can't they let authorities know we just shut the guys page down because he was saying offenses staff. it seems rather simple to me. they are the one shutting down the site. good corporate reasons to do so. what is the harm in going the extra level? >> i am sure that they have business concerns in terms of they are in business to make money and sell products and services. i am sure that they have concerns.

this is an unprecedented challenge. it will require rethinking and lot of those very kinds of issues. in addition to that, reporting before they shut it down may be very helpful, too. you are shutting off a potential avenue or sores of information that may be very useful if it is left to run for a little while. >> you are playing russian roulette. you are keeping the site up just to track them down. you are also giving them time to do what they want to do. >> it is a delicate balance. judgment would be called for. another important announcement. requirement for information as you mentioned it. though one thing that i think we all need to understand is, we have these well-known statements, if you see something, say something.

we need to empower the government and the people in the government that can connect the dots with the dots. everyone on the officer to that user negatives in the c suite becomes committed to this fight against terrorism. neil: well put. thank you. read this back and forth. what is going on with bills that may want to kill us. >> this is a problem. you have to balance security. changes that were made a year or so ago after snow dance revelations of people that went along. neil: he did a lot of damage.

>> i think that he did. commercial companies, they are sophisticated. they can know a lot more, a lot more effectively than the government under some circumstances. it is effective. things are slow down. you can have a company that pulls together websites you have visited. amazon knows what you have been buying online. before you know it, you are walking down the aisle in a pharmacy. you come to the hair care products in an ad comes on your cell phone for hair care products. [laughter] neil: one thing i always

wondered about this is, i do not -- okay. that is okay. i think that companies are so afraid. even though they are shutting down, it is a legal risk to take that to the next level. >> it is. there is another way in which we make it safer for ourselves to help the national security agency and others in learning things. we are so watched in the intelligence business. so scrutinize. we are the most watched institution in the world. by that, i mean we have judicial oversight from special courts. we have congressional committees

that do nothing except overseas the intelligence business. talking to europeans or anyone, nsa, cia, ask them what their oversight is like. practical purposes. >> i see that in all the james bond movies. do you get a sense that there is a safety concern? free speech advocates say that is just what they fear. they will hang on this leverage to the max. use it as an excuse to spy on everybody. >> there will always be tension between privacy and security for us. we have a constitution that is build on conflict. you will have some people on one side and some on the other.

neil: feeling that free speech would be above all. the mirror opposite of what it was a year ago. >> we have to stop veering so far off on the cycle. i think correcting what was done in the aftermath of snowed in would be one very good staff for congress to take. >> can i pick your brain? it seems to point to syed rizwan farook and tashfeen malik acting alone. they deposited it into their account. lots of people communicating online. where do you draw the line in communication and participation? >> all sorts of different ways. how fast it will happen in the

future. it will be done that mosques. the problem is that we are dealing with a very powerful religious ideology. the islam is am particularly isis are trying to recapitulate what happened at the spread of the caliphate across north africa and modern-day pakistan to modern-day france. it was a huge and rapid expansion. they have intrigued the youth and others with idea that their life can have meaning. neil: they want that big battle. against getting involved. that is what they would want. >> we have to work with a real moderate muslims and there are quite a few.

we have to work with them. >> president obama's point of view. the very thing we are trying to get out. >> exactly. neil: very good to see you. i almost did not recognize you. >> i liked it very much. have a very merry christmas. in the meantime, we had a great big swing in this market. up about 150 points. this is all related to energy. i know that this seems kind of weird. normally in the past, energy prices go down. we would see stocks go up. cheaper oil and energy out there. now the argument is, lower oil prices go, you can see this chart that we assembled for you. it is just the opposite.

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neil: you will find this hard to believe. maybe not in the government will take care of everything environment. here is what makes it interesting. new hampshire and iowa. how do you think that is factoring out in this presidential race? charles payne on the push for free stuff. >> terrorism and immigration policy and foreign policy.

i do not think the pocketbook issue will fade away. particularly, those millennial's that just started out life. they are ready have a voice that somehow something is owed to them. president obama has given that we can they not on more than one location. >> it should not be this expensive. hillaryclinton. ernie sanders. not as strong for him in 2012 as it was in 28. it did not tip the scales in his favor. it is interesting. free stuff. not social issues. talking about this other stuff. a candidate can sway a young voter. has not gone out in the lines. does not have to really worry about this thing. now, it is all about the idea

that i cannot even get started. they could get a job, it is just not the job that they want. >> how do you make that argument and republicans making that argument. some call it tough love. some say fewer depending on the government, tough luck. we will not give you free stuff. it is a tough sell to a crowd that is now here from the other side. we will provide this free. we will do this. we will do this. you do not have to worry about paying for it. someone else's. >> ultimately, this will be you paying for someone else's college, not your own kids. >> it is a heck of a sale. you mentioned tough love in and of itself. something we don't do well in america. neil: schiphol they stopped bouncing back. indications of what happened in boston.

120 people were affected. it was the nora virus. not as bad. i guess. >> $750 a share. it was up. it was up future last time they reported. you have a discount right now the stock. i am not surprised to see some people nibbling at it right now. neil: that is said. >> it has not gone away. something has happened with them. they have a little bit lost. not as hard as kentucky fried chicken has had to work in china. having to work a little bit harder to get that feel that this is the place you go, you eat and you do not get sick. neil: charles, thank you very

much. he sorts it out and put the money on the table. very, very good at it. we have another health insurer warning. we are done. now another one. same thing. a lot of indian surrounding the whole healthcare industry. after this. ♪

neil: all right. obamacare, the affordable care act, whatever you want to call it, is kind of on life support right now. it began with united healthcare. another big name is saying, we

have kind of had it, too. gerri willis with the latest on that story. gerri: this is not a politically affiliated organization. this is a down the road report going on. we do not make money on obamacare. we did not make money in 2014 and we are not making money on it in 2015. will you stay with these exchanges in 2017? he said we have not made a commitment relative to 2017. we are not making money. while we would really like to see, i thought this was interesting, the ability to offer all different kinds of policies. absolutely every healthcare issue on the table. that is what is costing insurers a lot of money. a lot of people think that this is fake. making excuses for their poor performance. what i see is a company that is really having a tough time.

even going so far as to pull failed support for the gold plan. that is difficult group of plants. neil: you cannot deny anyone. you have to ensure everybody. there is a list of things that the administration added to that. >> you have to offer, you cannot just offer extreme care. you cannot do that. pregnancy, cancer screening. you name it. neil: a lot of older couples thing we do not need the pregnancy provisions. one flavor for all. jo gerri: the co-op in maine. they are closing their doors to individual applicants for the obamacare exchange today. the beat goes on.

more people saying we are having trouble. the cynics among us saying they want more money than the federal government for their insurance company. true. i don't know. it sounds pretty sincere to me. they are combining, remember, with anthem. that will be a power hospital. 200 heard a thousand folks on the exchanges. once he hooks up with anthem, he will be a massive player. neil: thank you. gerri willis. this boston store. and a lot of people got sick. it may not be e. coli. it may be the nora virus. communication from toronto and whether they will be a look to get out of this. the stock has come down a little bit. a long way from the 750 level. what do you think they're doing

right. doing wrong? >> they have a long road ahead of them. they cannot get ahead of this crisis. they are responding to the crisis operationally, extremely well. voluntarily shutting down stores. they are setting new standards there. neil: and other state when it developed again. they promise and hope to be on top of it. they are trying to be. new stuff keeps happening. >> new stuff keeps happening. perception is everything. your entire identity. salmonella, narrow virus, e. coli can never be associated with you. we need to communicate with the customers. i took a look since the crisis took place. only one tweet you'd it says to

me that they are not communicating with their customers. i think they need to apply a joan rivers standard of rehab to their brand by saying can we talk. they really need to talk to their customers directly. it says to me that they are not doing that. very deep basis support across their customers. so far i do not see what they need to be doing. they need to be doing much more direct communications with their customers. they protect that relationship did continuing to come out in boston, this crisis will linger. i think it will affect their stock price and their performance for several quarters, perhaps. taco bell has impacted them for five straight quarters. neil: inclining sales. absolutely. we will watch closely. thank you very much. good to see you. we told you about rob emanuel,

the mayor of chicago, apologizing for the police shooting. he said it happened on my watch and i'm very sorry. i want you to understand my responsibility with you. that was among protesters gathering in chicago. that is not good enough. this is a city -- those that do not pay attention. we are watching. a mouthbreather! how can anyone sleep like that? well, just put on a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right

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neil: all right. you are looking live in chicago where the protests are continuing. these were preplanned protests even before rahm emanuel the mayor there, apologized for joaquin mcdonald's shooting, the 17-year-old african-american male gunned down in chicago. that tape came to light, that was 14 months ago. only came to light recently. goes on to say as part of this apology that those who serve in public office have the obligation to earn back the trust, change that narrative of politicians that don't care. there is need for police to build trust with young african-americans. he said he failed at that i want you to understand it is my responsibility with you going on to say, if we're also going to begin healing process, the first step in that journey is my step and i'm sorry.

well that is not doing anything to assuage those who are still angry in chicago and still marching in chicago as well. we'll keep an eye on it. keeping an eye on iran cheating. i found it hard to believe and already collecting checks and some of the money frozen with sanctions better part of 30 to 40 years old even though they did not sign on to iranian agreement. to add insult to contract injury, they're doing missile tests at least at u.n. agreements caveats are forbidden as well in this agreement. who would no better than the former secretary of defense paul wolfowitz. always great to have you. what do you make of this? that is pretty defiant behavior. >> it really is. there was u.n. resolution back in july prohibiting iran testing missiles capable of launching nuclear warheads. they proceeded in october to do a first test. they have done a second test more recently. we seem to be struggling trying

to figure out whether there is anything we can do about it. neil: i get the sense, ambassador we're much more worried about isis right now than we are iran right now and that is taking our eye off the ball, even if they're cheating left and right, integral getting isis piece and puzzle together. what do you say? >> i don't think they're integral to getting isis puzzle together. i think they are the reason with assad why isis is flourishing in sunni communities. they're afraid of isis and iran. neil: i wasn't more clear. there has been a move afoot by secretary kerry, what can you do to help us here, to work on this here? and that they're playing us like a fiddle. what do you think? >> no, i think you're absolutely right. i think they played us like a fiddle with the agreement. i think what wasn't sufficiently noticed this agreement would tie the hands of this administration or any other administration in the future.

that tries to impose sanctions on iran for destablizing behavior. i think the state department spokes map said the other day that the u.s. retains the ability to impose unlate sanctions on iran for this kind of activity. i bet you they won't do it. the reason they won't do it because it would jeopardize the agreement. they know the iranians would walk away from their wonderful agreement if that happens. i'm not sure we lose that much in the process but that's the stakes. neil: this continues with iran sort of shoving this back in our face. isis runs amok and recruiting bad guys for recruits the world over. doesn't look very good to me. >> it doesn't look good. if you remember back when they cut that deal with syria about chemical weapons, we were not using military force in return for their dismantling their chemical weapons. it also became an excuse for not doing anything more about syria. i think this nuclear agreement is going to become an excuse for not doing anything more to confront iran even if they try

to hire people to assassinate the saudi ambassador in washington which they did a few years ago. neil: that's right. i forgot about that. while i have you here i would be remiss without donald trump. what would an interview be without mentioning donald trump. this one concerns talking about banning more muslims coming into the united states until they can sort out this mess about who is getting in here and why. what do you think of that? >> look, i think people who dismiss the idea there is any security problem with taking in a whole bunch of refugees i think are making a mistake. american people are worried about what they're hearing. what donald trump is doing in my opinion antagonizing all 1 1/2 billion muslims in the world which, i think is also very dangerous for american security. some of those people are the people who are fighting with us in afghanistan and iraq. there is a whole group of interpreters who risked their lives and families in order to

help us in those countries. i could go on with much longer list of people on the right side of this fight who are muslims and i'm afraid rhetoric coming from trump is going to be exactly the sort of thing that isis wants to say, you need to listen to us. we have the real version of islam. even americans are saying so. neil: ambassador, thank you very much. very good seeing you again. >> thank you. nice to see you. neil: paul wolfowitz. when we come back, a lot of people are saying even far worse things about donald trump. buzzfeed going so far to say he is racist but love covering him. love quoting him. love writing headlines about him. in case of "new york times" no less than four stories about his views on politics. if they hate him so much why is he getting so much buzz? now you know why he is the stuff of great debate and now you know why fox business will be doing another debate because we're on top of this stuff and we will do so again next month.

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>> time for your fox business brief. the market was sailing right along today, driven higher by optimism about megamerger in energy sector. next thing you know oil turns around, so do stocks. in fact if we look at oil intraday chart, you could see

the sharp turn lower in oil. if you look at the market intraday, well you see a sharp turn lower in the market. actually today, just in one day, more than 360-point swing in stocks which you don't see very often of the in terms of big oil stocks, exxonmobil and chevron, hanging on to some gains there, up 70 cents and 30 cents respectively, but giving up some earlier gains. limiting our declines in the dow would be dupont. we talked about the potential megamerger, dupont and dow chemical if that becomes official. one thing it is driving stock higher today. things would be worse in the market. neil back in a moment. anncr: when the attacks come here...

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buzzfeed. editor saying okay to call donald trump a racist. i thought those were pretty strong words. what did you make of that? >> well, it was basically telling his staff that it's okay to call trump a mendacious racist, a lying racist because it's a proven fact. well you know, easier said than done. it is not a proven fact. something that some people believe. maybe more people believe it now than believed it a week ago. people have different definitions of what racist is. people have different sets of facts. reporter's job is to report what trump says, what his critics say, not to come to conclusions themselves. inn is another example of media dealing with trump themselves instead of waiting to let voters to do it in february and march. neil: what i find arrogant, the next thing is the nazi comparison. he is a nazi and all of this.

next logical leap, oh, he is a racist. how do they get away with it? >> they get away with it, right now donald trump doesn't have a lot of supporters among the republican establishment. he has base of support but not amongst the elected leaders. nobody in the media, you know, with some exceptions is a real big donald trump fan right now. he is sort of an outsider. of course that is what gives his campaign strength. it is more than buzzfeed today. "new york daily news" suggested he is a front page that he was radical that would chop off head of statue of liberty. "philadelphia daily news" said he was next furor. tom brokaw summoned up mccarthyism and japanese internment camps and slavery. neil: not endorsing trump's

remarks but old enough to remember how the press covered ronald reagan. had a field day with comments like trees cause more pollution than cars do. media had field day with that. said he was idiot an moron. carter folks hoping at the time he would be the nominee when it looks like george bush, sr. might be winning iowa because george bush would be much tougher to beat. ronald reagan would be walk in the part. we know what happened. wisdom of american people, voted him in back-to-back landslides. big difference i grant you between donald trump and ronald reagan but one commonality is this arrogant dismissive view of the media, opinion eights on a guyon if they know. >> right. and you know there are opinion journalists and they can give opinions but too often news reporters who think it is their job not to just report going on but put their own finger on the scale that is the kind of mentality donald trump is building off of. it is sort of, his supporters

eyes that is why he is outsider and they like him. it is strengthen him, not really damaging him. neil: telling him to shut up, why don't they shut up? now i'm sounding like trump. i get that. you thank you very much. great observations but a classic case of media bias. when you say that stuff on the left. that is okay, the left will condone, accept lion eyes those remarks. if you, if you step back say wait a minute, who is being the bigger ass here? just curious. stick around. pinot noir, which means peanut of the night. we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt.

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hurting themselves. david asman here to say they're trying to hurt others here first. >> i have a list of three on the hit list, the saudi hit list for the reason they're producing more oil even though we're awash in oil. stick it to iranians. they hate the iranians. they want to make sure as iranians begin to produce more and sell more oil as part of this nuclear deal with the sanctions off that the oil they do sell will be worth a lot list. one is stick it to the iranians. two, they don't like the u.s. shale oil. we have gone from producing five million barrels a day in 2008, to 9.3 million barrels. we almost doubled amount of oil in just six years here in the united states. they don't like that. now they have been producing, they have been trying to hurt frackers. they have hurt u.s. producers. we have half as many oil rigs as we used to but not a lot. we're still only producing

400,000-barrel as day less than we were producing at peak. so the frackers, yes, they are hurt, yes there are fewer oil rigs but we're still as nation producing about as much oil we were before the saudis began to produce a lot. finally, by the way they want to wreck the paris climate deal. saudis do not want to live in a world of electric cars. nothing kills electric cars more than cheap oil. so that is what -- neil: very interesting. >> oil is used more for gasoline than any other particular use. neil: wouldn't they be shooting themselves as well? could they absorb the bullets more than let's say our fracking industry can or energy guys can? >> it's a good question. they have been getting less revenue as a result of cheaper oil prices, a lot less. they have reserves of about a trillion dollars in their own bank, in their central bank. they could do this for years and years on end, go down to $20 oil and still have enough money to pay their bills.

neil: this fixation they have with iran is amazing, isn't it? >> they worry that the iranians want to take over homeplaces of islam. they want to take over mechanic cars and all the places prophet muhammad was born. neil: could they stop them or slow them. >> including nuclear weapons, they paid for 60% of the pakistan's nuclear program. if they don't already have a weapon in saudi arabia, i sus project they have a weapon in pakistan with their name on it. neil: do you get a sense though that, when they have to explain this to the united states or officials of the white house or anyone, how do they? yeah, we are trying to screw you but -- >> goes to something we're talking about with regard to the isis deal. we have so little influence right now in world affairs, including our influence with the saudis. the saudis are arguably our best friend among the muslim population of the world but we don't have the influence we used to have with them and frankly the obama administration has not been very friendly to frackers

in the u.s. so the influence that the frackers have on the obama administration to change the saudis attitude is not very strong. neil: you're the best, buddy. >> thank you very much, neil. neil: always upbeat and very gung-ho. i hate people like that. >> i hope it rubs off. neil: no, it is not. david, thank you very much. to a guy looking at landscape here and saying all right, we have to be aware of who our friends are, our enemies are, not retired former army chief of staff, general jack keane buys saudi arabia is our enemy, but i have to tell you, general, to david asman's point they sure do some curious things. what do you make of that, and maybe trying to kill off our own oil industry? >> well, number one, is iranian issue. what the obama administration did to the region in putting that nuclear deal with iran first and coming up with such a horrific deal that eventually gets them a nuclear weapon in 15

years, we all know they will cheat before that to get it anyway -- neil: they already are. >> absolutely. it is hard for many americans to understand the degree of frustration and concern that all of our allies have in the region. so much so, neil, they don't trust this administration. they don't believe they're reliable. they're waiting for the next administration. they want a relationship with the united states to be sure but they pretty much have given up on this administration. iran is their strategic enemy and, keeping those prices where they are is all about suppression of iran's economy. that's number one. the other -- neil: you don't think benefit they get going after our fracking? >> it is there on the same page but it's a distant second compared to their strategic objective which syrian. that is tied to their security what we're talking about. neil: i don't doubt that,

general back to the time of 9/11 terrorists, they were from saudi arabia, saudi arabia connections, tie to saudi networks and extreme networks communicate with cells. i'm not sure that the royal family. not saying they're playing both sides. i know difficulties running kingdom where you have the extremist elements. i always get the feeling you can't trust them. >> there are issues with saudi arabia. they have clearly wahhabiism which is very conservative sect of islam. many people moved from wahhabiism to radical islam. that is reality. neil: wahhabi system extreme sect there that even, even looks scornfully at other practices of islam, right? >> yes. and you know, it is sharia law and corporal punishment and chopping off fingers and penal issues for crimes we normally put people in jail for. neil: it is remarkable.

how do you think it will end up? >> well i don't see us doing much about isis and their expansion under this administration. the administration, despite an attack in california is not making any change. it will job one for a new administration on national security side to gather up the arab states and probably some part of nato, increase our commitment and drive isis out of iraq and syria. it is inevitable that is going to need to be taking place. the situation will worsen between now and then to be sure. this president will only make incremental change. a new president will have it on top of the desk, what will we do about isis? neil: what will we do? general, thank you very much. good seeing you again. >> good talking to you, neil. neil: the protests in chicago are gets worse and heating up. rahm emanuel apologizing for shooting of young african-american male 14 months ago.

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neil: lately i always have to throw to my friend trish regan with something crazy going on. protests in chicago, with rahm emanuel apologizing, they're not buying it. trish: it will be get interesting. neil cavuto. breaking this hour, rahm emanuel says, i'm sorry. two words you rarely hear from the chicago mayor's mouth. this coming after he faced sharp criticism throughout the country and most especially in chicago after his handling of the city's police department after the dash-cam video of laquan mcdonald's death. we'll show you the protesters. they're taking to the streets. you can hear them calling for his resignation. this on the heals of that debacle situation where the police department held on to that videotape for rou