they hope to translate whatever financial success they had into votes. we have not seen it reflected in polls although we are seeing some signs of it for john kasich in new hampshire. stuart: the bottom line is we are having a lot of fun. this is an extraordinary election campaign and you will have even more fun and the debate in mid january. neil: it doesn't get better been that. thank you very much. we do have ben carson here, we do have ohio governor john kasich here, lots to talk about with those gentlemen, six weeks to the day those in the granite state go to the polls to vote in the nation's primary in new hampshire where polls are tightening up but they show a surprising mix of folks loaded at the top end with donald trump, marco rubio for third place, john kasich. we will talk about ben carson. and financial numbers raking it

in. ben carson in the latest quarter, second to none. on the cross currents ahead of what many -- interesting election year. >> the race, just a few weeks out from voting which we are excited about and there's still talk of some kind of dramatic convention, been ginsberg, and canceled the mitt romney campaign, calling it a potentially chaotic, and real brokers in the party right now but given shortening of the calendar, the convention and the number of candidates figuring to stay, and a chaotic convention.

neil: not losing convention. hands settled on the back woods, abraham lincoln went on, but history suggests he was then okay president. it does not translate into a panic, in recent memory divided conventions, with the democrats, 1976. and their were fighting it out. and the party doesn't have exact together. >> and the end of this race is very unclear. and after iron and new hampshire and winning the field, several candidates and sticking campaigns on new hampshire, jeb

bush, chris christie, to continue on in this race. new hampshire and it is interesting. donald trump is leading there. and they are helping to play, the first or second spot and as we talked about before, and there are proportional delegates, awarded proportionally, and up until march 15th, those of the winner-take-all states. warner: situation where proportionately donald trump and a significant number of delegates and the rate they would be going it would not be enough. and arrived in convention city. but he has been close.

here coalesces around whom? >> that is the big question but we not only have donald trump leading these polls, but ted cruz built a long-term campaign and figures to wrap up a lot of those delegates, he is best positioned in iowa but the fcc primary states that go on march 1st and a lot of delegates at stake there. and the more mainstream republicans, about ted cruz racking up those delegates and going ahead in terms of the calendar. but ginsberg lay down a couple different scenarios, one in which there are still clusters of candidates and there's not a clear nominee and someone, trump or ted cruz get enough but not

the 50% one. the majority of delegates, you imagine a scenario in which there is a panic to find a viable candidate. neil: anything can and usually does happen. it is early but a great debate. good seeing you again. with me now, governor john kasich joins me out of new hampshire, good to see you again. >> happy new year. neil: i notice some engaging polls for you out of new hampshire where at least in one, might have been us cnn survey but you are third and you are obviously doing very well there and surging but you don't get a lot of press attention for that. does that bug you? >> i am really at peace with what is happening. we have a great volunteers,

great ground game, i am being myself, not doing anything to try to grab headlines, just plugging away, letting people know about my record and the fact is i can give them a voice and that is what they all want. in terms of being bugged, you give it your best and let all the rest go on. i continue to have a great time out here at all vote for the first time i woke up living in ohio, it has been like florida, we have snow on the ground in new hampshire. neil: finally happened. we were showing a fox paul, other polls showed john kasich in third, not line about that but i want to raise another thing that gets to the court of your campaign and that is the third to move on. is that true? >> i have to be the story coming out. i don't want to project

scenarios, i was thinking about it this morning, i have to be the story coming out of here so people can hear my message, they can understand the things i am saying i am going to do can be backed up by the things i have done and you and i have been around and around the mulberry bush so many times you just have to keep going. it is interesting. i finished the book by david mccullough on the right brothers. when they were actually flying an airplane in dayton, ohio, where all the flight took place, do you know that the local newspaper didn't even show up to cover them? it wasn't until they finally got to friends that people started a detention to the right brothers. you don't know when you are going to get heard but you have to be out there pitching because if you are not picking nobody is going to hear what you are all about. you we shall just see what happens. neil: i hope it doesn't mean you are going to france but we will see what happens. but you never know. that is another question down the road.

you might have heard, a number of folks upset with the grand jury decision declining to indict the officer who killed a 12-year-old boy. they are planning a protest at 3:00 p.m. today, that is eastern time. they are expressing their dissatisfaction, the entire process is corrupter. you would urge peace and trying to be understanding, how do you think this will sort out? >> i have been very involved in a number of urban issues including why police and community task force which is a series of recommendations like the use of deadly force, hiring and recruiting practices and i have been extremely involved with a minority community whether it is education, whether it is the opportunity for

entrepreneurs some, i met with a number of the african-american ministers here three weeks ago and talking about this, we didn't know how it was going to be resolved but what we are committed to in cleveland is we have the right, people have the right to protest this, cleveland has come so far we don't want to see violence. my sense is at this point if the people of cleveland are the ones that have their sack, then i think people will be heard at have a right to be heard and they will be people very unhappy with this decision. we have to be careful people from the outside don't come in and try to create problems because cleveland has come a long way for everybody in that city and i tell you i give a lot of credit to the mayor, community leaders, senator nina turner, a lot of people, the ministers, todd davidson, a lot of people have said vent your frustration but no violence and we hope and pray that is where it will be but it is obviously a

terrible terrible tragedy and we are not going to fix it by committing violence. neil: the county prosecutor had said that this tragedy was a perfect storm of human error but it was not murder. do you agree with that sentiment? >> i don't think i need to be commenting on the case. that is for the people in cleveland. i have asked community and police collaborative to take a look at the issue of the people who communicate with police officers, dispatchers. they have a difficult job and the information that needs to be communicated to officers is sometimes lost and it is important to look at that and we work in terms of being able to get the community to understand the challenges law enforcement have to understand the deep

concern the community has and communication and understanding is the key. we have been through some of these difficult decisions in the past and the leadership has kept things to get there, protesting and all that is absolutely the american spirit. we don't want that to degenerate into violence because it sets everybody back if that happens. i am hopeful we can get through it. in terms of commenting on grand jury decisions the grand jury process we have been able to have our chief justice be willing to look at the entire grand jury process. we are on every edge of this thing whether it is the chance to be able to rise, under standing one another, looking at the grand jury process, whether it is the way to hire and fire, the use of deadly force, we are

all over this. there are great concerns and the community involving these issues, and look at the way we conducted business is ohio. and i sure hope so and i hope people of being listened to and being respected and understand the pain and agony. neil: back to new hampshire, and republican voters rebelling against any candidates, and successful governing experience. jeb bush comes to mind. and no matter the track record, it doesn't resonate, almost

parade money. >> i don't agree with it. and two of those names are out of the race. as a result. >> i am over the ballot in 30 states, running at campaign, people -- we have been able to raise money, laid people off or cut salaries, and at the end of the day the ground game will work. and people look at other people. and the best ground game, the best organization in new hampshire. and beyond february 9th, and if they pay attention to me, i have a shot at being president of the united states, grow the economy and give people a sense the future can be bright in america.

neil: we are going to charleston, south carolina. another fox business db, chatting in 1860 on the republican convention going three ballots on abraham lincoln. do you think there will be a brokered convention with so many in the race and so many primaries awarded proportional delegates no one will have enough to clinch the nomination going to cleveland. >> it is unlikely, brokered convention is unlikely. and what we have been ohio, where we know how to work, or they can do very well. wanting a remind the voters, when we go about traction or whatever. and if people come in the state of ohio with no experience and bombast, they're not going to

win ohio, us to win the presidency and change the country. neil: does donald trump have the bombast? >> got a loss of bombast. neil: i asked for that one. thank you very much. you and i -- see you a couple weeks in south carolina. we have a lot more coming the, the dow is 159.5 points, the precious number to reach is 18500 or so the. i hope that would mean a positive year on the dow. we are also keeping track of the weather, we have a freeze gripping pretty much everything east of the mississippi river. at mere opposite of last week at this time and politics on our mind, six weeks to the day in new hampshire, next candidate raising a ton of money, ben carson. all of that after this. we live in a pick and choose world.

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40, going into the new year. the tornadoes that hit the dallas area, and dallas airlines using social media, united on twitter trying to figure things out and get people on their way. neil: we are hanging from jeb bush, how to be postponed because of this weather, chris christie indicating the same events plant in iowa today. even running by the highest office in the land, if the weather is too bad, you are not going anywhere. neither of the mark. ben carson after this. announcer: one candidate tough enough to take on the bully...

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>> a fairly good year for housing prices young running 5.5%. and what he envisions.

in that next year. >> been of great year, housing is the engine to fuel this economic growth this year. and as we look at interest rates, a lot of volatility as relates to the interest rates and the federal reserve raised the fed funds rates. and up to four times. >> it could happen. because of the emerging market, a flight to quality. and rate staying where they are, contrary to that. neil: the slowdown is commencing at long-term rates come down. you can have an environment like that.

and in miami, the date county area on the west coast. and the free meltdown highs, do you worry they sort of sputter out? >> and these are regionalize very much. economic event's happening, local economic event happening that could have an impact but i don't envision that. think about this, 2% appreciation for the last eight years consistently around there at least as relates to housing and you look at housing prices right now, even though housing prices have returned to the current values of where they were in 2007, effective in inflation and we're sitting at 60% under where price adjusted or inflation-adjusted price should be. for that reason housing remains stable and hotter markets, we are in austin, texas, look at a hot market and you can't find a

home to buy here. it is all about supply and demand as we head into the new year. neil: in the meantime, thank you. all right, we told you a little about ben carson. for all the people be moaning he is a stumbling candidate, how is he that he just raised, more than any of his opponents. you can talk about this but factory model. does that sound like a candidate who is in trouble. the good doctor is in the house.

neil: all right. i know this quarter doesn't end until thursday, but we're getting leaked out some figures in terms of how much these candidates are raising for the quarter, and it looks like the ben carson campaign has taken in 22, maybe $23 million for the quarter, that is more than two million than the prior quarter, and it would put him appreciably above the likes of jeb bush with 13.4 million, ted cruz with 12.2 million. and that's a pretty big haul. his poll numbers are down in iowa and new hampshire, down substantially in both states from the beginning of november. so the question is, if the money guys and those who give to the campaign are concerned about polls, they at least in the latest quarter have a funny way of showing it.

with us now, the aforementioned dr. ben carson. doctor, good to have you back, how you doing? >> doing well. nice to be with you, neil. neil: all right. these numbers look impressive. i know you can't iron them all out right now, but they look like the steady haul of funds that you've been getting in small and mid denominations are still coming in despite what has been a tough quarter for you at least in the press and at least in the polls. what do you read into that? >> well, you know, we have some very good supporters who, actually, aren't influenced by the media. i mean, recognize that, you know, the pundits and the media have been wrong about me from the beginning. everything they've said has always been wrong, consistently. i'm only going to get worried if they start saying i'm a good guy and i'm going to win. then i'll be in trouble. the fact of the matter is the people are the ones who have funded this. i don't accept donations from billionaires who want to influence me or from special interest groups.

i don't believe in those things. i think those are one of the real reasons that nothing that comes out of washington, d.c. makes any sense, because it's attached to some silly special interest group. neil: so marco rubio is getting big support from some very impressive billionaires. what do you think of that? >> it's not something that i would do. i would never be associated with such a thing. you know, he can do what he'd like to do. i'm just telling you how i am. and i believe that one of the biggest problems that we have in this country is that we've taken it out of the hands of the people, and we've put it in the hands of special interest groups and politicians. this is not what america was supposed to be. neil: do you agree with donald trump, it's that kind of backing from very rich guys says you're bought and paid for? >> that's all very nice for him to say, but he was one of the people who bought and paid for people. [laughter] that's kind of hypocritical for him to say that. neil: hmm. i read this washington post story that you did. two things amazed me, that you,

dr. ben carson, acclaimed surgeon the world over, has a man cave, which was really cool. i never knew that. and that you sounded despondent isn't the word, but maybe passive aggressive angry at the state of this race. you said that it's discouraging to know that we're at that state in our country where people don't care so much about the truth, it's just what's sensational, what's the shiny object. it's all who's in the football game, who's on "dancing with the stars," who's yelling the loudest? i'm not sure that's what we need right now because we've got some big problems in our country. what did you mean by that? >> well, i just mean that, you know, a lot of people are pretty superficial, and i'm hoping that they will become deeper, that they will actually look into what a candidate has to say. you know, i find myself whenever i go out amongst the people and then we have a rope line everybody's come up to me saying you're so different than what

they portray you as. i love you. but, you know, i wish people would just do more investigating and not be so easily persuaded by people who have ulterior motives and control issues. neil: all right. i guess when you're stumbling in the polls, a lot of people want to know why, doctor, and i know there's been talk that you want to revamp, reshuffle, maybe shake up your staff. it is yet to happen. but jim newel of slate magazine says your candidacy has been a standard bubble campaign, saying that you could blame your staff, but your campaign's problems have always run deeper. they're not the problem, you are. i'm paraphrasing here. what do you think of that? >> i think you should have him talk about that when all is said and done and ask why he said that and will he recant. that's what you should do. neil: so when we talk about a staff shake-up, is that still in the works, doctor? >> we're going to, certainly, be altering some things in the

campaign. and we will be talking about that quite publicly next week. neil: next week. okay, because one of the things that apparently a lot of these aides have been urging you to do is to attack back. but you said they want me to act more like a politician, and i guess your argument was that's not me. so what can we look forward to? regardless of staff changes that might or might not be in the offing, are you going to change your demeanor or approach or style on the campaign trail? >> well, i'm not going to ever be a nasty person. that's just not who i am. but i will point out differences. and i will make it possible for people to see that, clearly, you know, it's the philosophy, and it's the life, and it's the accomplishments. one of the things that i want people to understand is you don't judge strength by the volume of proclamation. you judge strength by what has

been accomplished in a person's life. neil: you've accomplished a great deal in your life, but do you ever feel -- even those who criticize you say that no one can take away your smarts or your medical expertise. i mean, you've operated on people's to brains, for god's sake. but that doesn't comport you or prepare you for life in the white house. it keeps coming up, and i wonder whether you've got a tighter response to that. because it's going to come up, i imagine -- >> yeah. neil: -- a couple of weeks from now in the next debate. >> yeah. the response is that, you know, our system was not designed for career politicians. it was designed for citizen statesmen. and what is much more important is the ability to take information and to make wise decisions with it. i can guarantee you that i've had more two a.m. in the morning difficult, life and death situations to deal with than everyone else running combined. you have to know how to do that. you have to know how to use information.

you have to gather information. in terms of expertise, am i an expert in everything that the president will ever have to deal with? of course not. and nor is nip else, for that matter -- anyone else, for that matter. neil: you said you agreed to an extent with donald trump that raising bill clinton in this presidential race is reasonable. what did you mean by that? >> well, president clinton is a previous president. all previous presidents and their administrations are fair game for analysis and comparison. so just because one of the candidates who's running happens to be married to one of them doesn't take that individual off the table. neil: i think what trump was getting at is that bill clinton and his relationship with then-intern monica lewinsky for the loss of respect of our politicians. you said that it even led to the loss of innocence in our children. quoting you, sir, as a pediatric

neurosurgeon, i deal with a had the of children and i see them becoming soarser and wanting to -- coarser and wanting to know certain things they see on television, things they would never have known about as kids before. i'm sorry to see that happen, i'm sorry that it was because of one of our presidents. pretty strong stuff. >> yes. well, i should be sorry. you should be sorry. we should all be sorry. you know, the fact of the matter is there is such a thing as right and wrong. there are morals and values and principles. we have to stop letting people sweep all this stuff under the rug and saying, eh, it's no problem. everything is of equal value. that's not true. that's not what made america into the greatest nation the world has ever known. we should not be willing to throw away all of our values and principles for the sake of political correctness. we'll never submit to that. neil: but do you think it flies in the face of comments you've made that you would prefer a more uplifting campaign where you say, and i quote, you really deal with the issues and aren't tearing other people down? wouldn't that be the equivalent

of tearing other people down? >> no. well, i mean, the question was asked of me what did i think of it -- neil: right. >> i answered the question. is it going to be the main thing that i'm talking about? by no stretch of the imagination, because we have such incredible problems to solve. our fiscal irresponsibility, the size of our government which continues to balloon, you know? a congress that is not responsive to the people who send them there. you know, a country that is not taking, you know, the lead in the world in a very dangerous world and allowing others to do so which is creating even more problems for us. you know, these are, these are big issues we have to deal with. neil: you know, finally, doctor, i'm sure you've heard this before even among your legion of fans that they say, you know, he is a calm and soothing presence, but i never see the guy get angry. i never see him lose it. i never see him get spastic. and while they kind of admire that quality, certainly a lot of people prefer it in a doctor, in

a president we might need more agitation, we might need in your face. what do you make of that, that you're almost too calm for the job? >> do you need somebody who's really angry with their hand oven the button? i'm not sure that's the case. believe me, it's plenty -- there's plenty of passion there, there's plenty of feeling there. i wouldn't be doing this otherwise. let me tell you, i would have my feet up, and i would be relacking and never setting the alarm clock and having a good time. but believe me, we have got to save this country. we've got to do it. neil: real quickly then on this man cave, in the lower level of your house. is it a man cave? how would you describe it? what's there? >> it's not a man cave, it's a people dave. neil: okay. >> nice comfortable chairs, pool table, pipping pong table -- ping-pong table, table soccer. you know, it's a nice, comfortable place to be. neil: okay. i was just curious, because you were the last person i thought

would have a man cave. [laughter] >> up to 100 people can fit in there, so it's not really a cave. neil: oh, okay. everyone welcome. doctor, always good seeing you. see you in a couple of weeks at the big debate. >> thank you. neil: ben carson. and, again, say what you will of poll numbers that can be fickle, but there's nothing fickle about the money he's raising. more than any other candidate in the latest quarter. all right, what's going on with technology in the middle of what appears to be a nice run-up in the market? i think we know. we'll tell you after in this. ♪ ♪

neil: all right. russell crowe, as weaver looking up at -- as we're looking at the dow -- he's upset that the airline has this hoverboard ban and won't let any hoverboards on. you know this issue where some of the batteries heat up and could explode, not good on a

plane. so a lot of airlines have said we're not going to allow them. two things i've learned here. russell crowe, apparently, has a hoverboard and he has a temper when said hoverboard isn't allowed on the plane. this is information you don't get anywhere else, but what the heck? i figured this holiday week you should. all right, popular science tech editor mike jimenez on the big trends in 2016. of course, hoverboard huge trend year. >> yeah, that was a big one. i personally budget a huge fan because they -- budget a huge fan because they don't actually hover, but seemed to be the go go-to item -- neil: what were the ones with the poll before -- >> oh, the segways. neil: see, they were great. >> yeah. it's the same exact technology, there's a big patent dispute, so these are just self-balancing scooters which sounds a lot less exciting, of course. neil: all right. obviously, they were unexpected hit, the battery issue notwithstanding. >> yeah. neil: what else looks promising

to you? >> so a lot of people are watching apple right now. people are really skeptical about whether they're going to be releasing new products, whether people will be excited about those products. but in my opinion, i'm really excited about the iphone 7. that's something that's definitely coming -- neil: what will be different about the iphone 7? they come out with these things every couple of months. >> on the most exciting end of spectrum, they could remove the headphone jack and some of the internals to make it even thinner than it's ever been -- neil: thin now. >> exactly, yeah. so if it gets even thinner -- neil: where would you put the headphone? >> then you'd have to use blue tooth headphones which would be a monumental shift in technology, because they would really be at the forefront -- neil: would a lot of apple loyalists be upset with that? >> i think so, but it would give them reasons to buy the beats headphones. neil: oh, i see. apple's also going to have an announcement about the watch. >> yeah. a lot of people are expecting the second generation of the

watch. there are expectations that they'll include more intelligent health sensors, so hopefully people will begin to get more meaningful health, information about their health and wellness. neil: what about the ones that compete, fitbit? >> it's a fine product, but it's sort of a bargain. they use a lot of technology that's been around for almost a decade, so most of them are based on accelerometers. it counts your steps. and so that's a really basic form of technology, and it's really cheap. i guess it's affordable for consumers. but many terms of providing important -- in terms of providing important and helpful information, it's not hitting the mark, so a lot of people expect the apple watch to do that, the researchers and scientists in the u.s. have definitely aligned with a lot of what apple's providing in that area. neil: what i love about the apple watch is you can set minimal goals. ten steps in a day -- it congratulates me at 5 p.m., hey,

you did it. [laughter] there you go. thank you, my friend. hope to see a lot more of you in the new year. he's been ahead of a lot of trends. all right, if isis is on the ropes, right? you buy this argument they were chased out of ramadi, then why are they going to other points firmly convinced that no one's chasing them now? after this.

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neil: all right. you heard earlier this morning that belgian police had arrested two on terrorism charges. prosecutors say the arrest broke up what could have been a planned author to atock in brussels -- terror attack in brussels during the holiday season. isis recruits that have been captured, some ten isis leaders killed this month and others captured linked to those paris attacks.

richard newton on the progress or lack thereof we're making, the retired lieutenant general with us now. general, i guess you have to make these kind of successes bit by bit, but given that and given isis being chased out of ramadi, are they on the run? and then if that is the case, how do we seize on that? what do we do? >> well, neil, good afternoon. again, we haven't got confirmation, at least my sources, that ramadi is completely taken, but it does appear the iraqi forces have been successful in getting isis out of ramadi and on the run. also remember, we've got other key parts of iraq to take care of. there's fallujah and mosul, still other aspects of this. again, i would tell american people that this is a long campaign, but this is, i think this is good news, and it's good news to end on, certainly, in 2015 and to move forward in 2016 as we really try to rid isis of, certainly in iraq and other parts of the region. neil: you know, i was talking to

a military analyst not too long ago, and point was something like this, that the intimidation factor might have been removed from isis. not entirely, but this old notion where soldiers would drop their weapons in the face of these guys charging them. even when they vastly outnumber those isis fighters. that the intimidation factor's worn off, and maybe incidents like what happened in ramadi, if it is true to your point, there's a sign that's going on worldwide? what do you make of that? >> again, we learn from war, we learn from conflict that militaries adapt and, certainly, the u.s. military adapts as well. i wouldn't necessarily think that isis is on the ropes at this point. they've got other parts of their, you know, their capabilities not just in military, but in cyber and economic and so forth. but, again, this is good news, but we've got to stay at it. and i think the u.s. has to continue to keep its presence there, its leadership is absolutely essential. i think air power's going to be essential for the following, you

know, following several months. you know, the uss truman just went into the persian gulf, so we now have a u.s. carrier presence in the persian gulf. so the u.s. has to keep and maintain its eye on the region but also keep its leadership, you know, focused on the region as well that we whatever momentum is gained now, you know, here many ramadi, we just need to make sure and move forward with that. neil: do you buy the sort of doomsday scenario predictions that 2016 is the year all of these nefarious elements, including isis and al-qaeda, taliban and boko haram which is already quasi-linked to isis, all join together in a sort of reverse evil avengers and then we have our problems? >> well, you know, we do end up having, you know, relationships that you wouldn't think would have occurred like between boko haram and isis and so forth. i would look for more of that. i would look for more of these terrorist organizations to link up, and i think that's what we

need to make sure in our national security, you know, apparatus, make sure we focus on just that. it used to be we just thought in terms of al-qaeda, then we thought in terms of isis. we cannot take for granted that it's just going to be one terrorist group or be it the western world and so forth. we've got to make the assumption that they're going to find, they're going to lash up and is have relationships that will, again, move their agendas forward whatever they may be, and we need to be on watch for that. neil: thank you, sir. good seeing you. happy new year, general. real quick, this mad dash to finish positive on the year, still 140, 150 points away from what would be a positive year. if we don't, it would be the first down year since 2008. you can imagine a lot of people at the white house and a certain president vacationing in hawaii is at least looking with one eye at what's going on there. after this. . some of ese experiments may not work.

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neil: all right. we've got more details on the storm damage in and around texas and the seven states where a combined 43 people lost their lives and more storms to come. fox news' will carr has the very latest from texas. hey, will. >> reporter: hey there, neil. where the cleanup is continuing, and they have a long way to go because there is devastation everywhere that we look, including at this apartment.com plex here in garland. this apartment took a direct hit from this tornado, ripping off the roofs of some of the apartments and destroyed a number of cars here. and then we weren't even sure what this was. this is actually a refrigerator that got tossed here into the parking lot. and then if you look over my shoulder, there is a row of power crews here trying to restore all power to the area. this is the aftermath of nine tornadoes that swept through this region this past weekend including that powerful ef4 tornado that demolished pretty much everything in its path. it is now estimated at least

1800 homes in the north texas were damaged or destroyed. the families are now slowly trickling back into their communities, many are now realizing that they've lost everything including alan maggert. >>horrible. that wasn't our house, it was our home, you know? it's, you know, i raised all my kids there, you know? they're grown and gone now, you know, and moved out. it's their home too, and they're taking it as bad as i am, you know? found my wife's diamond ring i just bought her for christmas, so i'm very happy about that. >> reporter: maggart also happy, like so many others, that nobody in his family was hurt or killed, and he's thankful for the support he's getting from the community. we've seen people offering food, support, even shelter for people, but they'll need a lot more help, and we're expecting fema to be here sometime in the coming days to see if they will actually get some federal disaster aid. neil? neil: all right. will, thank you very, very much.

in the meantime, i want to give you an idea what's gown on politically with six weeks to go until the new hampshire primary. everyone is saying it's all about donald trump, well, these two candidates slightly disagree. take a look. what do you make of that, that you're almost too calm for the job? >> do you need somebody who's really angry with their hand on the button? i'm not sure that's the case. believe me, there's plenty of passion there. there's plenty of feeling there. i wouldn't be doing this otherwise, let me tell you. i would have my feet up, and i would be relaxing and never setting the alarm clock and having a good time. believe me, we have got to save this country. neil: you're obviously doing very well there, and you're surging there. but you don't get a lot of press attention for that. does that bug you? >> you know, neil, i'm really at peace with what's happening. we have an enormous number of volunteers, we have best ground game and the best organization in new hampshire. i mean, there's nobody that

really disputes that. so we'll see what happens come february 9th. neil: all right. gop strategists have said both men have a point, so don't count anyone out, after all, no one's voted, and i agree with that sentiment. but the argument is these two gentlemen in particular have a lot of hill climbing to do. what do you think? >> i think every candidate has a lot of hill climbing, some more than others. in the case of john kasich and ben carson, their entire campaigns rest on their ground game in both iowa and in new hampshire. john kasich with guys like john weaver who are very good strategists when it comes to new hampshire, he could be an upset and really shock and come in the top three or four which in new hampshire, but the real question is how are they going to transition from new hampshire to places like nevada and south carolina. because if you don't have a ground game there, you could do really well in new hampshire, but that's not going to make a difference. neil: you know, one of the arguments that ted cruz has made about doing well in iowa is that he does have a ground game in

those other southern states, or south carolina and the so-called southern primary states and unlike other caucus win's in the past, santorum or mike huckabee, he does have a game plan. maybe not through new hampshire, but through these other states. do you agree with that? >> yes. ted cruz has been very smart in trying to get the nomination. he has identified not only key elements of each voting bloc that he thinks he can pick off from other candidates -- and he did that earlier in 2015 -- but he's recognized that, yes, you can win iowa and have a great ground game which he has there, but he needs to do it in south carolina, new hampshire, alabama, every state that comes on, because it's a numbers game. getting to that magic number that puts you over the top with delegates -- neil: i don't know, i've done some of the math here that even allowing for some dropping out, even allowing for the fact that there are a couple of winner-take-all states like

florida, that a lot of them reward delegates proportionately based on your performance in the state, and we could have the situation where a number of candidates arrive in cleveland very few quitting, but no one having the delegates necessary to capture the nomination. do you worry or do you even see the possibility of a brokered convention? >> well, i sort of go back and forth on this one. but let's just say this, if we have a brokered convention, it's going to be a lot more exciting than the democratic national convention which will be the coronation for hillary clinton who is, basically, given the nomination by the dnc. but if you have a brokered convention, we're going to see the republican party at its finest. we have a multitude of ideas and candidates who represent all different parts of the country and many different ethnicities including we have two hispanic candidates running for president -- neil: and we should point out that brokered conventions are not necessarily disasters. republicans had a hum ding kerr of a brokered convention in 1860. and i think they turned to this guy abraham lincoln, i think his

name was? >> yeah, just a small town lawyer. neil: yeah. >> you know, he did an okay job as president, if you ask me. got on the $5 bill -- [laughter] neil: the new york telegraph calling him a gawky loser. >> yeah. but he had every rumor about lincoln. neil: yeah, i hear you. evan, thank you very much. by way, what evan was talking about, about hillary clinton being the likely democratic nominee or that she would be coronated as such, pat caw dell says maybe not so much. you're looking at whether she has trouble early on in iowa and new hampshire, right? >> yes. if she does, if she loses both of those states -- and i think if she lost iowa, that would almost, and lost new hampshire where sanders is already ahead, a certain impact would happen, and the momentum would switch. you can't say these things in advance. she has been given a free ride

by the press the last few months. bernie sanders is indicating, well, maybe he'd like to win rather than just pontificate. and the question is, you know, let me take you back to january 1984. walter mondale had the single greatest lead in the nomination race in history. in january for his party's nomination. within less than a month gary hart had almost knocked him out of the race are. by finishing second in iowa, eliminating the field, beating mondale in new hampshire and then running on pure momentum. no organization, no media, nothing. just momentum. and came within a hair. that's where i disagree with your former guest. this is not all about ground game and whatever. it may be in iowa, but it's also about excitement. tests also about message. -- it's also about message. message matters. and the problem is presidential politics is about the future, not the past. and be right now we are waiting to see if anyone can grab

lightning in a bottle in either primary. neil: you know, pat, i was thinking let's say she does stumble out the gate, and it's bernie sanders who's galvanizing all the attention and votes and press. but even liberals could be pragmatic, right, and say we love bernie, but he can't win. do they then resort to finding an outside candidate, or is it too late at that point? what happens? >> no. no, look, the democratic party has rigged its system to give party insiders control ever since the mcgovern and carter nominations and then after gary hart, all races i was involved in. and what they have done is they have expanded their number of superdelegates, those delegates from the dnc. hillary clinton has all those locked up. there's not been a vote cast. don't worry, the democratic party is not going to nominate bernie sanders come hell or high water -- neil: but if she's stumbling and

they don't want bernie sanders -- >> that's right. then they start saying she is dead meat, we need to bring someone in, then you get the possibility of a biden or a kerry or someone. but they are not going to nominate a socialist, in my opinion. and i think that might drive sanders out of the party. look, we have got a long way to go, and we are going to have a lot more candidates. everything we know about history is to expect the unexpected. neil: true. >> and the conventional wisdom keeps trying to jam into a, to put the toothpaste back in the tube, to quote that eloquence of h.r. haldeman, and make the old rules work when they're not working. we are in a new paradigm, and we don't know where we're going yet. neil: well put, my friend. have a happy new year, all right? >> happy new year to you, neil. see you soon in charleston too. neil: that's right. couple of weeks away, looking forward to it. all right, let's look at what's going on at the corner of

wall and broad, we have a runup on stocks. again, the argument you've heard is right now technically we're down on the year for the dow. it would be the first down year if it completes the year that way since 2008. it would be the fist down year -- first down year of the year before presidential elections since 1939. and then pat should know, because he was there covering it. but bottom line, there's some ground to be made up here, about 125 points or so. so if they don't to that, we're in deep do do, or that's what we're told m more after. bring your family and friends together

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coast, certainly the northeast. so that's lifting up nat gas prices. supply, the big issue more oil and oil-related issues is and heating oil more to the point, and that is helping to lift crude oil as well. still down there, though, at $37.71 a barrel. another thing that has been roiling these markets, and it remains to be seen whether we conclude in the positive, m&a activity, merger and acquisition activity. it is already at a record, an easy record, and we still have a few days to go. better than $5 trillion worth of deals already sealed and done. we've got christopher on what this could mean for next year. normally, chris, what happens not all the time, but right after the big deals you get the big layoffs, you know, you get rid of the combinations and the overlaps, and some people say in the following year it's problematic for the economy. what do you think? >> well, you know, anytime you come off a big, record year like we are, neil, there's always going to be a lot of question

and speculation. i think the question is what's fueling the big activity that we've seen in 2015, does it continue into 2016. we've got a slowing economy on the one hand, a lot of deals that are benefiting from low interest rates. we have a lot of cross-border activity that's been happening, and at the same time we've got a lot of these nip and tick deals, these below $100 million deals where you're seeing companies fill in these competitive gaps, these strategic weaknesses, and i honestly think, neil, we're going to continue to see both in 2016 -- neil: even with rates going up, chris, the argument for doing this now, it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel? you can't lose unless you make a wrong bet, obviously, in acquisition, but that money and borrowing is so cheap, do it with this low debt or just a combination of stock, you're in the winner's circle. do you see that continuing even with rates main ratcheting up? >> well, i mean, i think it's a question, neil, how high are rates really going to get. yeah, we got that, you know, modest increase from the federal

reserve recently, but if we look at the economic data we're getting where the domestic manufacturing economy continues to slow, the services sector is cooling, we've gotten industrial production, durable goods as well as data from around the world pointing towards a slower global economy, i think there's a lot of expectation that the fed is going to raise rates, but they're really not going to. so the bottom line, neil, is rate are still going to be historically low, and you have companies that are going to need to deliver on the top and bottom lines, and i think that just makes the case for more m&a in 2016. neil: real quickly, your thoughts, chris, on everyone obsessing whether we're going to be in the positive for the year on the dow? i know the nasdaq's comfortably positive, it would take a tumble to reverse. s&p out and that, the dow with these gains, you know, 500 or so points away from capping a good year. but it would have to be positive, if it isn't, first time since 2008. do you read anything into that or a pause that refreshes?

because normally a pause after years of runup does lead to something else that's worrisome. but what do you say? >> well, you know, we're right in the middle of this santa claus rally, neil, that starts christmas eve and runs until the second day of trading in the new year. and if we don't hit that +1.4, 1.5%, historically it's led to concern going into 2016. i sit back, though, and i see the expectation for s&p 500 earnings growing 7.4% next year from just 1.4% this year? neil: interesting. >> and given the backdrop that we've gotten with all this slowing data, it tells me those expectations are too high, they need to come down, and i do think the start of 2016 for the market will be more like 2015 or 2014, meaning we'll probably see a pullback during earnings as these expectations are reset, not like the strong market we saw in 2012 and 201. neil: wow. interesting. chris, have yourself a great new year, okay? and thank you for all your

insight this past year. we appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. happy new year to you. neil: thank you, sir. all right, you probably heard that rahm emanuel in chicago cut short his vacation after the latest twin shootings in chicago. a little too late, though, because al sharpton is saying, rahm, it's time to go. you know things are bad when al sharpton is telling a democratic leader -- former close confidant and chief of staff to barack obama -- get out. ♪ ♪

>> emanuel didn't even come back from vacation to the city. you have a grandmother shot, doesn't even come back and say to the family i come to bring my condolences, i want to have hourly briefings. nicole and i were talking about it. i mean, i've never seen this kind of detachment. neil: you know, he's talking about a democratic mayor of chicago, rahm emanuel. of he's talking about barack

obama's former right-hand man. he's talking about b rahm emanuel who was barack obama's chief of staff. and he's saying he should go. think of that. al sharpton is saying rahm emanuel, one of the most powerful liberals in government in all of the united states, should just go. niger innis was shellshocked, but that tells you how bad things are for the chicago mayor, when many in his own party are turning on him. >> no question about it. i mean, we have to freeze this note time that i actually agree with al sharpton. but the fact is rahm emanuel is a symptom. the disease is big city, big government liberalism which has destroyed chicago and made it less safe for a black man to walk the streets of than it is isis-controlled iraq. i mean, it's an outrage. spike lee, who's no friend of mine i'd ideologically speakings

a movie out there called shiraq because murder rate is so high in chicago. and we see a corrupt city, a corrupt police force and a murder rate that is horrific. in the black and brown community. neil: what i'm wondering about, niger, is what happens now and who would fill his shoes. he's not going anywhere anytime soon. there's been no call for his impeachment, maybe that could gain some steam. but it just seems like chicago is out of control. >> it is out of control. and, of course, people know about the $5 million bribe that the city of chicago gave to laquan mcdonald's family to keep that videotape, that damning videotape secret. what most people -- neil: be careful there, i know they said they were paying damages ahead to the family. but continue.

>> yes. and i do, granted, it's commentary to call it a bribe, but i think it was, clearly, something that was done to save emanuel's bacon before a critical election -- neil: it did come out, and it did a lot of damage, and then you had these killings since. what happened? >> it's awful. it's awful, neil. and, again, what i say is that emanuel is the symptom. obama is the symptom. the disease is progressive, big government, corrupt liberalism that has destroyed cities across this nation. by the way, this whole black lives matter campaign, i'm going to say something very controversial just for you, neil, which is that the black lives matter campaign is costing black lives. because since they have come on the scene, the police and the communities in which they serve, there's been a tension that is building, and what you have now is a reversal of that dramatic drop in crime. you now have a 15%, by some estimates, 15% increase in

homicides across this nation. who do you think the people that are getting killed are? they look like me, neil. neil: amazing. if you promise people everything, they end up getting nothing. niger, thank you very much. try to have a happy new year yourself. >> thank you, neil. you too. neil: good seeing you again. all right, let's go back to wall and broad, we have a big runup today, and particularly in amazon stock. now, you don't have to be new to the markets to understand that what's been happening here is a lot of people chose amazon as their retail venue of choice. the stock is up an additional close to 3% today. if you bought this at the beginning of the year -- and i'm sure you did -- you more than doubled your money. if you did. more after. this is the one place we're not afraid to fail. some of these experiments may not work. but a few might shape the future. like turning algae into biofuel...

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neil: you know the rule of thumb is, if you're traveling to foreign country you need a passport. pretty soon if you're traveling within this country, from a point in this country to another point in this country you will need a passport. i thought that was crazy. until i heard from lizzie macdonald that it is happening but it is. lizzie, why? >> the federal government saying 10-year-old law on the books since 9/11, national i.d. card, may start to enforce it. they're starting to enforce it at nuclear sites, military sites.

a souped-up i.d. card would basically override the state issued driver's licenses. the question which state is not in compliance? which states can you not use your driver's license to get on a plane? you may have to bring your passport. there are about a dozen states in the in compliance the federal government thinks is proper identification. >> what is the proper -- all states have licenses. so what? >> that is a good question. name, birthdate, immigration status now. also has to have some kind of a either chip or magnetic stripe that stores all of that information. fear is privacy advocates federal government wants the database for all the significant information. the worry is that face, photo that you will have on i.d., that it would be compliant with facial-recognition technology too. government can track people better.

trying to look for criminals. neil: is this paving way for federal i.d. for everybody? we have passports to your point but do they want a federal i.d.? >> yeah, that is the fear. states are pushing back, you know what? we don't like this at all. we'll not even accept the federal i.d. of the problem the department of transportation does oversee security measures ad nation's airports. neil: what states are vulnerable? >> we know new york was on radar screen. but their i.d. seems to be pretty much near the federal standard. minnesota not in compliance, louisiana, washington state, north carolina, missouri. so there are about a dozen of them. it is a big deal, if you're going to be traveling this year. you may get push back at airport saying where is your passport? we'll not accept i.d., driver's license. neil: you know in new jersey you can't smile in the photo i.d. >> can't smile at all? neil: i do anyway. >> what happened? they say smiling?

neil: don't get a license. found it so stupid. you can't smile. >> mine has to be turned upside down to make sure i'm smiling. neil: mine looks like my junior prom. i'm wearing a light blue tuxedo. it is worth a laugh with the ruffles. it is hot. >> muy caliente. neil: not bad. i don't know from one crazy idea to another the administration is bragging about, i couldn't believe it when i first ready, among things to be greatful for in 2015, peace in syria. peace in syria. i thought to myself i will go ahead and jump the gun to say, i'm 50 pounds thinner. i'm 50 pounds thinner. i haven't lost any weight. i figured, well, syria doesn't have peace, so what am i missing? we have with us, former national security advisor to dick cheney, john hannah. that makes no sense at all.

how do they get away with saying that? >> you can't make this stuff up. it would be so laughable if it wasn't so tragic. the secretary of state saying he pass ad u.n. resolution. he has a paper resolution that says we road map for peace in syria. the problem that 2015 really brought us the greatest ref decrisis in europe since world war ii. 1000 open terrorist investigations into the united states in all 50 states. attacks in paris, san bernardino and massive russian military intervention in the middle east, the largest in 40 years. 2015 in fact has been a disaster for american interests in the middle east. neil: i was trying to get a handle how they interpreted that and get their exact wording here. the one thing that stood out was they're saying, john kirby, spokesman saying bringing peace,

security to syria, above a more modest entry and realization that the country's turmoil has improved. now, by that measure, they're saying things i guess, are not as bad as they were. but that does not mean they're peaceful. one could look at syria today, say, well, it is a lot worse than it was. so i don't even know there what they're looking at. >> no, listen, unfortunately this is becoming all too common in the american foreign policy bureaucracy where inputs, the fact that we got a process that could lead to peace some day, we have really good intentions. we agreed with our partners we would like to see peace come to syria, that counts for more than actually achieving strategic effects that advance core american interests. so with secretary of state clinton, the fact that she is traveled more miles, visited more countries than any other secretary of state in the history, that's her greatest

accomplishment. not what she actually achieved making peace and securing the united states. this is not a problem that is common only to the obama administration. neil: no, i know. >> it has reached its maximum height and crescendo in the last couple of years unfortunately. neil: it is crazy stuff. thank you, john, very, very much. have a happy new year. >> thanks, you too. neil: everyone seems it is a given rates will continue to cycle upwards and fed will be in long zinc -- lock sync with that. what if it is a fed fighting with each other like italian dinner table? it could happen. can you imagine next meeting they're throwing bread at each other? it could happen. we'll spell it out nix.

>> from the new york stock exchange i'm gerri willis with your fox business brief. dow industrials up 182 points. the s&p 500 up 20 points and

nasdaq up 60 points as well. we're looking in strong move in the markets after yesterday's selloff. very good news indeed. stocks leading markets higher, dupont up 1.7%. boeing up 1.8%. united health up as well at 1%. good news for those companies. story stock of the day, pep boys, carl icahn increasing his bid for the company to a billion dollars. we're seeing that stock hit new highs. 7.8%. now at 1893. that is 90% gain for the year. stay tuned for more cavuto after this.

neil: quick look at dow jones industrials. i think i misquoted something. it would take us 2324 to eclipse last year's level. we're 115 points from that level tanks to this run up today. not 500 points i mentioned. that is all it would take to end up positive on the year. well a couple of days worth of trading left could be done with advances like this, we'll see. jim lecants says a big barometer of 2016 is what federal reserve

does and hikes and whether everyone is on the same page when it comes to those hikes. jim, you're not convinced everyone is, are you? >> not at all, neil. fed is in interesting conundrum. one other hand we have the hawks. we need higher interest rates. banks will have better spreads to work with. it will be better for economy. send a message, we as the fed think the economy is doing better. those are the hawks. the doves say wait a minute, economy is slowing down. not as good as it was even last year. it is decelerating. aren't we being a little overly aggressive raising rates too much into slowing economy, especially when people are worried about the impact of the dollar on oil prices and therefore the junk bond market which is heavily tied to oil prices and emerging markets which owe us so much money in dollar-based debt? so you have legitimate arguments on both sides of the fed to raise and not to raise. and unfortunately, that

introduces a lot of uncertainty into the mix. the market hates nothing more than uncertainty. i think we'll have an issue with this next year. neil: that is interesting. my view always has been janet yellen was kind of dragged into this against her better instincts. she didn't think it was time to do it. she kind of put fed out there that conditions were ripe to go ahead and hike. what you have is an election year always dicey to do. not unprecedented. rates have gone up in election years in the past but never comfortable environment when that happens. so she had her druthers. maybe other members had their druthers. maybe they wouldn't overdo this the market you point out no with standing seems to think we'll get ratcheting up maybe every other meeting. are they getting ahead of themselves? >> i think markets are definitely getting ahead of themselves. i think smartest thing for the fed, we want rates to go higher because we think it will help the economy but we don't want to do it too fast. this notion that we're going to do it every other meeting, it is all going to be data dependent.

we're not necessarily doing it every other meeting. it will be very slow. neil: jim, think about it. >> we have very measured. at least is sends a message it is not set in stone, i think markets will be able to adjust for that. >> i apologize. we don't have -- talking for him to hear me. jim, one of the things i noticed the fed can look at this, to say we've gotten this out of the way. the markets will say we expect more that are on the way. and people bet on this who trade fed funds futures contracts are looking at that. wouldn't the markets be disappointed then if it doesn't happen? wouldn't they read into that, well the fed must be seeing things we're not? >> it is interesting how things can be painted into a corner. with the fed they have been doing it for the last five years. so you laid out a scenario i

think markets dabble with. what is the correct move for the fed and what does the market want federal reserve board to do? we all want interest rates to remain very low. if you look where 10-year treasury rates are trading. they haven't gone up at all. it is not like everybody is saying economy is accelerating. fed raise rates to normal level, half a percent or 3/4 of a percent, without sending a signal it will slow down the economy at all because nobody really thinks this economy is accelerating. i don't know what the perfect result for them is. i don't think there is one because i think they have painted themselves into quite a creditability corner i don't know how they get themselves out of it. neil: thank you very much, my friend. happy new year. >> you too, neil. neil: what of big names loved by consumers?

you think of chipolte and whole foods. they ran into a lot of bad pr, to put it mildly. very tough to overcome that, isn't it in not a healthy environment. after this.

neil: all right, we're watching

this press conference of mayor de blasio of new york city and bill brat enthe police chief. that is not brat bratton. ball coming down is most iconic symbol of the new year and worldwide. they're making sure everyone is safe and everything is safe. they have got the cement blocks out. you have to be really, really careful getting around town. they pry to make it impossible for bad guys to move in on the vicinity. they will check packages. no backpacks are allowed. a lot of these crazies, people who stand out there for hours, they're there often times, 24 hours in advance. i know wonder how they are going to the bathroom? people explained it to me. that is about as much as i need to know. another thing if you want to witness the event at any one of the restaurants in times square, many which really don't have the

best view of the ball drop location, at least, the olive garden will set you back 400 bucks, per person! 400 bucks per person. get a load of this. we found out from olive garden they're not giving you the rolls, the breadsticks. you're not even getting that! so 400 bucks, to sit the a table in a restaurant, yes, is in times square but doesn't guarranty you a view of times square. you might not even get a window seat. think about that. $400 you will pay for that? really? all right, well, whatever you want. jeff flock on some other things that are costing consumers and they have a little indication that it was, whole foods and host of companies dealing with bad press on issues anywhere from overcharging to making folks sick. jeff flock with the latest on that. jeff?

>> you do get a bathroom if you go to the restaurant for 400 bucks. neil: very good point. you know that is a very good point. >> there you go. mayor de blasio's department of consumers affairs is one that got the settlement with whole foods, half a million dollars. the company agreeing to pay to the city of new york because it was apparently overcharging folks for things like dairy and meat and other stuff. and you know what? it, whole foods is not only one this year, companies that had a black eye with some trust issues. everything from vw, for example, rigging its engines to dodge emissions tests. how about takata airbags? supposed to keep you safe, actually explode and wind up killing people. gm which apparently sat for years on news its ignitions were causing wrecks. chipolte noted for, noted for its health food apparently can't stop from making people sick. this is starting to have real impact in terms of fallout for these companies. for example, vw, before the scandal, 2/3 of america had a

favorable view of vw. now less than a third. the stocks have taken a hit too. vw is down. whole foods is down. chipolte down 30% in the last three months alone. i leave you perhaps though, with more positive news. who does america trust when it comes to brands? well, would it surprise you to know, bandaids are the most trusted brand. bandaid bandages. neospore ren anti-septic. ziploc food bags and dawn dish shope soap. those are the most trusted brands in america. neil: dawn dish soap. i could see that. hang around, buddy. i'm bringing lizzie macdonald back into the mix trying to bring back trust after you lost it. jeff had a good run down of those. you can win loyalty but it is tough. >> it is really tough. i think the brands of companies that do it success fully, ones

that say immediately, we caught the problem, we're on it and fixing it and put the ceo out in front. you saw that, for example, with johnson & johnson 1982 tylenol crisis. neil: that wasn't his doing. someone tampered with those bottles. >> you see it in 2010 with jetblue. their ceo got on the stick when they had 1,000 flights canceled and people were sitting on runway. the problem with chipolte they didn't turn their ceo in dave thomas like wendy's type ceo. you know dave thomas is equated with wendy's. we haven't really seen the ceo of chipolte out there saying we got the problem and we are fixing it. chipolte lost almost 1/3 of their market cap. we'll shut down restaurants nationwide. give free food guaranteed for one day. starbucks howard schultz put his face on problem. we didn't like the experience at starbucks. he shut it down one day.

ceo mcdonald's food supply issue in asia. they got out there with a video telling public we'll fix it. gm, ceo, mary barra out there in video on the vanguard, we're out in front and going to fix it. in some crises where is that. neil: thinking of the chipolte ceo, jeff, he did a lot of full page apology ads. normally when you keep apologizing, things happening you lose your own -- >> a little bit like rahm emanuel in chicago. said i'm sorry, i get it. but i'm sorry again. yeah, that really loses it. and in a case of chipolte, they may not have their hands around the problem. i don't know that they know what the problem was. real losers are nice to me like vw, where as you pointed out with johnson & johnson that wasn't their doing. chipolte weren't trying to make people sick. with vw you have engineers who were trying to game the system

and apparently for quite some time. so that was going to be a hard one to recover from i think to gain trust back when you actually went out of your way to screw people over. neil: jeff mentioned something interesting, lizzie at the outset as you were coming in here, whether people would spend $400 to dine at the olive garden per person, in new year's eve and times square. i thought it was idiotic. he mention ad brilliant point. you have access to a bathroom. >> he is absolutely right. even if you don't see the times square ball, that is so key. olive garden is getting away with not serving breadsticks. holy cow, how do you get away with that? neil: jeff, you have to admit that's stupid, and there are no breadsticks, hello? >> at my age a bathroom might be more important. >> i will take the breadsticks. neil: i hear ya. i hear ya. all those restaurants in and around times square charging through the nose.

even some that aren't even close by i wonder if people know they will not have a view of the ball dropping? >> right. neil: they might get a view of times square but not necessarily the ball drop? >> that's right. ruby tuesday you will not see the ball dropping. you can possibly see it at bubba gump or olive garden. it will be really crowded window pane. neil: jeff, how would you handle you at window, everyone at the time ball drops wants to like crowd up here, table, stand around your table as you're eating? that wouldn't be good, right? >> you know, i'd like the tv, you know the coverage on tv, i'm sure fox networks, all will have great coverage on television. to me that is ideal place to watch the board drop. neil: he is kind of a corporate tool, isn't he. >> kind of an interesting plug. neil: i like that. i like that. guys, thank you very much. we'll have more after this. >> sure. neil: the dow up over 200. stick around.

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neil: another two days and come up what, couple hours to go. around 17,000. anything shy of that will be the first since 2008. trish: nice little valley area. arrested in belgium for a new year's eve terror plot. countries are on heightened alert after two suspects were arrested for allegedly planning several terrorist attacks in brussels on new year's eve. police seized military style clothing and computers. one of the suspects is believed to be leading and recruiting for a terrorist cell they are in belgium.