helping to lead the charge is back with us this hour. david: this is disturbing. a new report showing hundreds of badge, cell phones and pistols have been lost or stolen from the department of homeland security. unbelievable. raising a lot of serious concerns. melissa: first stocks climbing as closing bell sounds on wall street. [closing bell rings] we're up 122 points. nasdaq composite trading higher by phone .9 of a point. we have breaking news on xerox. adam shapiro on floor of new york stock exchange. adam? reporter: that's right, xerox announced to dow jones, they're split into two companies. separate the hardware and service companies. carl icahn is expected to get three board seats on the services company. this is coming from dow jones that xerox will split.

it was trading as high as 9. the $7. year-to-date this stock is down roughly 13%. melissa. melissa: adam thank you so much. david? david: let's dip into politics. lags debates before the first votes are cast. republicans set to take the stage and it could change the entire game. blake burman is in des moines with the latest. high, blake. reporter: that is what some of them are hoping tonight. this is the first and only presidential debate here in iowa before the caucuses four nights from tonight. we're just three hours away from this debate. the first one kicks off at 7:00. there will be four people on that stage, carly fiorina, mike hub bee, rick santorum and jim gilmore who is back in the debates. they get started off at 7:00. followed by seven candidates at 9:00 debate. marco rubio and ted cruz will be front and center in that one.

they're flanked by dr. ben carson, jeb bush, chris christie and john kasich and rand paul makes his way into the 9:00 debate. noticeably absent is one donald trump the frontrunner in the race. he said he will not be at the debate tonight. he is holding his own event here in the des moines area, funds raised from that will go to veterans groups. at this point still unknown which but at that is where the money will be going. one group is saying they want none of it. the founder of the iraq an afghanistan veterans of america, his name is paul rikkelhoff sent out this tweet. the i'm quoting, if offered our group will decline donations from trump's event. we need strong policies from candidates, not to be used for political stunts. good pr on the other front for donald trump as it relates to one poll, from "wall street journal" and nbc news.

here in iowa trump is the clear frontrunner over ted cruz. trump getting 32% of iowa support, cruz at 25. marco rubio at 18. will tonight change anything? we'll see shortly. david: blake, thank you very much. appreciate it. melissa? melissa: the stage is set. in des moines with senator ted cruz taking center tank. donald trump is opting out of the event a decision critics say is opportunity for other candidates. karl rove says it could be damaging to trump's campaign. ♪ melissa: all right. i'm not sure that was karl rove, right? didn't sound like him or look lime him. here is erick erickson, fox news contributor. eric this is opportunity for the other folks on the stage to be out there to get their message across without one person

dominating the evening, right? >> i think so. i suspect all eyes will be on ted cruz now. everybody can take their shots at him at center stage. melissa: right. what would be the way to play that in your opinion? >> marco rubio threw cruz off his game over cruz's policy changes over time. cruz didn't have good response to that he did have a good response on the vat tax charge. i suspect we'll see them. condition dates point out donald trump is not there. only iowa debate before the iowa caucuses. iowa voters take the caucuses seriously. that could matter. >> how many people show up undecided at this point? >> there will be some decided but iowa secretary of state and registrars are not showing new significant voter registration. if donald trump is drawing in new voters, they may not show up that night. they're supposed to get one to three inches of snow and 40 mile-an-hour wind during caucus night.

maybe that keeps new voters home. melissa: folks out theres were links for third place, who do you see making themselves known tonight and getting their voice heard? >> i think jeb bush has opportunity to be on rebound. keep my eye on marco rubio. there is a lot of buzz in reporters in the hall and around where i'm traveling a late-breaking marco rubio surge. a lot of evangelical taking another look at him. probably a good night for him to shine. he has always done well on debate stage. melissa: ted cruz will certainly have a target on his back. how does he turn that around to be on the offensive? >> ted cruz is probably the best debater on the stage. without donald trump there it will be his time to sign tonight. i think ted will have to rebut a lot of other people's arguments and make the case to angry iowa conservatives looking at donald trump, that ted cruz would be the better vehicle to take on hillary clinton. melissa: eric, thanks for coming on. appreciate your time.

breaking news with amazon out with fourth quarter results. jo ling kent with the numbers in the newsroom. jo? >> melissa, big miss on amazon. earnings per share profit of a dollar missing treatment estimate of $1.56. that is pretty big swing and a miss. revenue coming in $35.75 billion. that is slight miss of revenue. expectations of 35.93. what we saw was a lot of anticipation going into this. 9% up. now we are seeing stock tank back down in after-hours trading. currently down 10 1/2%. in earnings report, north american sales coming in at $21.05. international segment at -- we're looking exactly with happened for such a big miss from amazon after all the heavy volume anticipation in the markets going into the closing bell. melissa: a lot of volatility

into the stock and big miss. thank you very much, jo. david: we'll keep you current on amazon through the hour. ben carson taking the gloves off tonight's debate. hoping for more time to shine on the stage. about donald trump's boycott of event? >> i've certainly been treated unfairly all the lies that have all been disproven but nevertheless, that goes with the territory. that prepares you for the white house because it will be even worse than that. david: joining me ben carson's campaign chairman, major general robert deace. a little more oxygen in the room tonight. what do you think will happen to the good doctor as a result of donald trump not being there? >> i think as always he will focus his message not on personality or politics but the american people. i have great expectations for

dr. carson tonight. as always he will not engage in schoolyard fights and point people toward moral high ground and where america needs to go to continue honoring of americans of all stripes to climb the ladder of opportunity. david: you know one base which has been very appreciative of dr. carson, his personality, his message have been evangelicals yet you had jerry fallwell, jr. coming out for donald trump. did that surprise you? >> well i think, he speaks for himself. i think the liberty community was somewhat surprised. david: were you trying to get that endorsement yourself? >> no. dr. carson doesn't seek endorsement of people such as that. he seeks the endorsement of the american people. we see that around the country, particularly in iowa, crowds and enthusiasm.

people have fans or reality fans but dr. carson has true believers. we see that in iowa. we're looking for the ground game for two years that will bear fruit monday night. david: anti-establishment message is something pretty much dr. carson owned at the beginning. some people tried to present themselves like that. you sigh people like john mccain and chuck grassley coming out for donald trump, seems as though dr. carson can claim that mantle better for himself, can he not? >> that is certainly true, dr. carson tonight is only non-politician on the stage. i would ask rhetorically of people of america do we want volume or values? do we want divisiveness or a unifier who can go into the inner cities of america to heal rifts across racial lines or special interest lines of division at this time? dr. ben carson can be uniter-in-chief. david: he be --

>> go ahead. david: the last debates fbn debate you said to me in fact we would see a more combative ben carson. we didn't really see that. is he going to try to do this time, this debate what don't think a lot of people saw him in the last debate, be more combative and more strident. >> he will be resolute and truth teller. he will not be uncivil as the others are. that is what makes impressdential above the rest. david: by the way, general, sympathies and condolences to the family of braiden joplin, who was tragically killed in that car crash. i know he was a great guy. our sympathies for the campaign and his family. >> thank you, david. i attended the funeral in texas on monday. candy carson was there also, over 500 people in attendance. and we call it the braiden he effect because we do not want

braden's life to be in vain. he strongly believed what dr. carson stands for and our prayers for his family. david: thank you very much, general. appreciate. >> thank you very much. david: second quarter results out for microsoft. jo is back with the numbers from the newsroom. go made. reporter: beat on earnings per share for microsoft. revenue coming in at $23.8 billion. that is a miss of the 25.26 billion the street was looking for. you see bid ask there. the stock up 4%. even though with this mixed earnings report. personal computing revenue down 5%, but cloud, intelligence cloud revenue up 5% under satya nadella, as the ceo tries to clean house to make this company work better again. operating income of $6 billion. we're also looking at phone

revenue down 49% based off of constant currency, reflecting what they have been changing with nokia and getting rid of that business there. so what we're seeing is intelligent cloud revenue up 5%. we're going through this now. but we don't have an outlook for the current quarter for the year. that will come on the earnings call. david: but it is up after hours. by the way amazon is now $565 a share. that is way down, over 10% after hours. thanks, jo. melissa? melissa: major security concerns after new study shows hundreds of badges, phones and even guns all lost or stolen from the department of homeland security. our security panel weighs in on that. david: and jeb bush hoping his big brother, gw, will be his trump card on the campaign trail. >> he turns out to be the most popular republican in, that is alive. so it is not a bad thing to be the brother of a great president and a great brother. melissa: kids these days may know more about technology than

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melissa: amazon dropping over 11% after the hour. jo ling kent with the numbers. jo. >> eps coming in at a dollar versus street estimate of 1.56. we're looking at outlook which is indicator for so many tech companies. first quarter operating profit of 100 million to 700 million is what they're forecasting. and that midpoint would be, 400 million. that's way below what analysts are looking for at least at thomson reuters of 686.7 million. so you're seeing the stock

continue to drop about 12% after-hours, after a serious climb, 7, 8%, earlier today. we also had a slight miss on revenue, $35.75 billion in net sales. overall though, sales did pick up 22%. they did pass the $100 billion mark in sales according to jeff bezos, the ceo. so what we see here is the outlook and the miss having an effect on the stock and how people are trading it. melissa: jo, thank you for that. david? >> sure. david: the department of homeland security isn't keeping its own identification very safe. over 1300 dhs bans have been stolen or lost according to complete colorado. federal officers are losing official phones and firearms. this is is creating a serious security risk. here to weigh in, chris harmer, institute of war, ric grenell,

advisor to four u.s. ambassadors to the united nations and also a fox news contributor. chris what is going on. >> there is little bit of apathy you expect out of federal employees but you hope that stops in federal law enforcement. i have a lot of friends in federal law enforcement. they say the same thing. they're good to go, equivalent of active duty military is not the case this is massive level of incompetence. talking literally over 1000 i.d.s plus guns and cell phones. that is treasure trove of vulnerability if it falls in the wrong hands this is incredibly frustrating as security professional. i hope the government would hold them accountable but i don't think so. david: i wonder if there is conspiracy going on beyond incompetence, do you expect anything else? >> i certainly hope not. this level and this breadth of a problem we all should be asking those questions. congress has a role to play

here. we have regulators need to crack down on this. if federal officials are not going to punish people who break the you law, make no mistake this, is breaking the law. this happened over and over again. you go back several years and we constantly hearing about federal officials who break the law in this way. congress has got to start holding people accountable. if there is a bureaucrat in charge not holding someone accountable, then congress needs to move to replace that person so we actually have a system that is working. david: rick, you're in des moines. let me tie this into tonight's debate here. last couple of debates, national security was really front and center. amazing how quickly the public forgets. not that we've forgotten terrorist attacks here and elsewhere but not quite as urgent right now as it seems to be. do you think it will take a back seat to other issues tonight? >> i certainly hope not because national security and foreign

policy, when candidates talk about these issues, they actually are communicating to voters leadership skills. whether a voter understands the intricacies of what a candidate is saying about a foreign policy, whether it is intelligence-gathering techniques and how they're differentiating themselves from other candidates, when a, when a republican candidate talks about national security and foreign policy in a strong way, and in an easy way, easy way for the voters to understand it, then voters view that person as a leader. and that leadership translates into the voting booth. david: right. chris, very quickly, these missing i.d., i'm wondering is there in any possibility they end up in the wrong hands? is this something that the terrorists could use to get into places they're not supposed to go? no absolutely. there is active, very active black market for military i.d.s. i can only assume there is active black market for federal law enforcement i.d.s.

it is not as if criminals have to go far to find people to buy these and they end up in the wrong hands. this is first order of security to but certainly we hope that is all it is but not a good development. david: ric grenell, chris harmer, thank you very much. enjoy the show tonight. melissa: the arrest of a man and a woman in disneyland in paris in boy session of a guns and a koran. the commissioner who was in charge of flint. a mother suing the state. >> i will do everything for our children. every child who drank or cooked with this water, is potentially exposed and thus at risk for consequences.

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melissa: wants to lend a hand to flint, instead democrats are proposing $400 million in federal aid to replace lead contaminated pipes in flint, michigan. just a day after michigan governor rick snyder says pipes will not be replaced any time soon because of the costly process. melissa mace, a founder of what are you fighting for. she joins me now. give you the backstory, originally the governor's office said would be 5 a million. they didn't have money for it. senate democrats are offering money but michigan has to match it dollar for dollar. this is where the governor is saying. we don't have the money to be able to do this. how do you feel about that? >> there is $575 million surplus in the budget this year. there is 600 million in a rainy day slush fund sitting there. there is almost $1.2 billion. i don't know how they say we can't afford it. every time we demanded to get off the flint river, all we were

told too expensive to go back to clean water. this is the same thing they have been telling us for 20 months. melissa: it is amazing to me this whole thing started because of budget problems and because they wanted to save money. now they will end up spending no matter than they were in the first place which isn't the most important issue. the most important issue in the area is the health of people in the area. i hear that 200 people are reported to have higher lead levels in the blood. are your children a part of that? >> 200 kids with high blood levels, that means they're currently drinking the water. lead only stays in your blood first 30 days t breaks up an goes into your brain and bones and organs. if their lead levels are high, we're not doing enough to tell people it isn't safe to drink. melissa: that is amazing.

what happens when the children are identified and diagnosed? do you know? has anyone told you what to do from there? >> we contacted a environmental physician because we could afford to. beyond that the services here in flint are little to nonexistent a doctor is working on that to monitor these children. all you can do is keep eye out to see are they development alley delayed? what can we do about bolstering their nutrition. what can we feed them and there really isn't a lot what you can do. if the lead levels are high enough there is a innoculation therapy. other than that it is wait and see game and that is horrifying. >> what is your sense going around the community how many people are affected and how big this really is? >> as we have community meetings and talk and press conference, more people are having seizures and tremors, the worst leg cramps you can imagine. gastrointenstinal issues. people of all ages. memory fog. brain fog.

hard time concentrating. inability to sleep and anemia. all these symptoms are common of people of all age, even the children. it is sad. people are starting to feel hopeless because every time we're asking for help the governor says it is too expensive. we can't hip you. we're not going to. melissa: unimaginable. melissa, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. melissa: thank you. david: if you sold the amazon stock at end of the day you miss be happy person. if you're still holding on to the stock you're not too happy because of what is happening after-hours. a big miss on profit for amazon led this. it is down as much as 140 after hours. down to 559. a huge miss in after-hours trading. we'll see what happens tomorrow with the opening bell but right now looks likes it will be a bad day tomorrow for amazon based on earnings after-hours. melissa: all right. tonight, the election is on the line. candidates preparing to take the stage for a debate that could change everything. >> this is a serious election.

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melissa: 2 1/2 hours away from the fox news google republican debate. one republican sitting out but the debate will go on. >> we're restacking things and changing things if he does not show up. but there will be a podium if he does. if he walks in the door we'll be ready for him. melissa: with trump off the debate stage the remaining candidates are tweeting their gameplans. with what to expect, tony sayegh, jamestown associates, fox news contributor, mercedes schlapp, former george w. bush spokesperson and bruce turkel, turkel brands ceo. tony, let me start with you, without one person in the center dominating whole thing it gives everyone else a chance to shine. who might be take advantage of that? >> i think it might be ted cruz who certainly wants a win out of iowa. a lot of people want ted cruz to win iowa because that is logical

way to stop or slow down donald trump if you're not a trump supporter. if you're not necessarily voting or rooting for cruz he is the one who stands the most in trump's way. number two is rubio who gained both in iowa and new hampshire for us watching closely the last two weeks. that was the matchup if you thought donald trump would not have run, that is what the race would be it, conservatives, ted cruz and marco rubio fighting it out. a recent poll came out. trump voters have cruz as second choice. cruz voters have rubio as their second choice. i think rubio will make a play for the cruz supporters as well. melissa: mercedes, cruz has biggest chance to win in iowa. he gets out there tonight. if you think about the last debate, the only time he looked really weak when trump took him down on the new york values thing. the rest of the time he looked pretty strong. to me without trump there to challenge him.

maybe he has a chance to win over iowa voters to take the stage. >> to tony's point not a matter whether cruz wants to win iowa. he needs to win iowa. his campaign is basing their campaign winning iowa to then go strong in the southern states. to your point, melissa, what you're looking at with trump being out the picture, cruz still will face a big challenge which will be rubio will try to hit him hard on immigration. we have canadian citizenship will not go away despite the fact that trump is not there. i think you will see rand paul going after cruz him being very hawkish on foreign policy. so cruz is going to be the one that everyone is eyeing for in this debate. melissa: yeah. >> particularly coming from rubio an coming from paul. melissa: bruce turkel, you're our marketing maven. what advice would you give to the group to take advantage of trump's absence? how do you do that most effectively.

>> with all due respect to the panel and the group the winner tonight will be the empty podium. what will happen those other candidates will talk about issues. that is what they think people want to hear. but in today's amped up, short attention span theater world, trump wins because he is the kim kardashian of politics. what they want, the viewers, voters is emotion and validation. if i were the candidate i would abandon issues. i would start talking to the consumers, in this case the voters and letting them understand that i get them. i understand them. i support them. and they mean something. that is what trump has done. the other folks are not going to do that. melissa: tony does that advice sound right to you? almost sounds like what bruce is saying right for national audience. i'm not sure that necessary hely holds true for the narrow audience in iowa going to the polls next week? >> i think you make the exact right point, melissa. absolutely. i'm a big subscriber to the fact that people vote based on some sort of emotional variable. we always think it is issues, idea.

somehow how a candidate makes them feel. absolutely trump has done well making that kind of connection with the american people. don't forget iowa is very intricate caucus process. even in the fox poll last week that came out showing trump surging ahead of cruz, 43% of his supporters never participated in a caucus. that is not necessarily good news. they have to organize effectively to turn out, number one. number two, a third of iowa voters will change their mind and trump won't connect with them if he is not the on stage. melissa: thank you, all of you. david: neck-and-neck in iowa for democrats. new nbc "wall street journal" poll showing a very slim margin between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. but socialist bernie sanders is getting a huge chunk of youth vote. according to a national "quinnepiac poll," bernie has massive, 78-21% over hillary

clinton between voters 18 to 44. this makes old folks they don't know failures of socialism in the 20th century. we now know why. according to a group, karl marx's communist manifesto is most frequently assigned economic test at colleges. melissa: come on! david: absolutely. appears more than twice as often in economic courses than adam smith's wealth of nations. number three on the list is paul krugman's book, economics. paul krugman and karl marx leading the path in colleges. melissa: wealth of nations down on the sidelines. david: milton friedman's book way down on the list. melissa: one of europe's most popular tourist attractions after a 28-year-old frenchman arrested reportedly passing through an x-ray machine carrying two handguns, ammo and a koran inside of a suitcase at a disneyland paris hotel.

at least five arrests have been made in connection with three escaped inmates on the run, from a southern california jail. police did have, did not say how they are connected but believe the dangerous treo had outside help in planning escape. american airlines flight heading to los angeles turned back to london's heathrow airport after mysterious illness sickened six people on board including flight attendants. that is scary story. the plane is being inspected by maintenance engineers. they still don't know what the problem was. david: if you doesn't have enough to worry about when you are flying. i'm one of those white-knuckle flyers. melissa: how technology is writings off one very important skill for kids. plus a makeover the world has been waiting for. barbie getting real. she is every woman and her hips don't lie. david: hips on barbie? about governments and businesses

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melissa: barbie is a brand new woman, with a realistic figure. mattel unveiling three new body shapes for the iconic toy. curvy, tall, and petite dolls. will now stand alongside barbie original. bruce turkel is back. boy, bruce, they are playing with fire on this one. i mean i, i feel like there's no sort of good way to approach this without getting slammed from one side or the other. what do you think? >> good way to approach is like they say about planting an oak tree. the best time to do it is 20 years ago or today. if they were truly concerned about girl's body images they would have different body models, dolls out long time ago. they have to do it sooner or later. about time as i see it. melissa: coming with seven different skin colors which is interesting because that is what like american girl like, you order it to your specification what is you're thinking.

i was amazed. time is doing cover on this, they're saying it's about time. barbie brand still does a billion dollar sales across more than 150 countries annually. 92% of american girls age 3-12 own ad barbie. i hated barbie. i guess i'm only one. does this -- from sales figures sound like they're doing great. why would you change it? >> i wonder about that. a billion dollars is a lot of money. does that mean they couldn't do two billion or some other brand might come along and steal a big piece of their market share? being that out in front, someone would come out with dolls, like you said, american gill, little girls who is who i see myself as, aspire to, skin tone, hair texture, body shape. i think it is very smart move and none too soon. melissa: i thought she was made of plastic. didn't get the appeal. i thought, what do you do with this thing? great mozzarella mystery,

that mcdonald's serving cheeseless mozzarella sticks. customers taking to social media, saying sticks are hollow upon close inspection. we have very scientific test to do here. david asman, get the camera over on david. he will break open our own cheese sticks. i was very excited about this, bruce, i have to say. i never met a cheese stick i didn't like. i like pretty much everything from mcdonald's. he will break this open. how big of a deal is it that people are going on social media saying there is no, there is cheese inside of ours. it is cold but there. other people say they broke it open. we had cheese in ours? what do you think, bruce? good job, david nothing new, i read the book along time ago. who moved my cheese. mcdonald's figured it out. mcdonald's see as trend. this is business strategy. leading republican candidate has no political experience. mcdonald's will serve cheese

sticks with no cheese. we move into health care. we have hospitals without doctors. we call them hm-nos. this is whole new marketing sensation. a whole new phenomenon. melissa: owe, don't squeeze it. all right. david: i think our crew who will eat about anything, you guys don't want to eat it, do you? melissa: the problem with the mod sticks they have to be piping hot to be good. these have been waiting in our studio? what? >> i think david needs hazard pay. david: i'm not eating it. only handling it. >> you get combat share if you swallow them. melissa: bruce, thank you very much. david? david: tech-savvy kids may be lacking another important skill. new york state educational hearing some students don't know how to sign their own names. deirdre bolton joins us now with more on this. deirdre -- >> with pen in hand, david. pen in hand.

david: can surf the internet but can't sign their own name. >> not only sad. it is actually a security risk, david. think about it, when the kids get older how will they sign checks? maybe checks will be a thing of the past as well? contract, banking statements. really anything that confirms their identity. this all comes back to common core. this is a big part of issue, david because in common core they are not teaching students how to write in cursive. so kids just don't know how to do it. assembly people, brooklyn saying, listen as safety identity thumbprint, kids at least need to know how to sign their own names. david: wow. that is scary. deirdre, thank you. see you at top. hour for "risk & reward." all in the family, less than a week until voting begins and jeb bush is making a big bet on his brother. gw. who is jim gilmore? the seemingly missing gop candidate, getting a chance to shine tonight. ♪

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david: a tale of two brothers. presidential candidate jeb bush ask now banking on his big bro, gw bush, to help boost him on the campaign trail. >> he has been helpful.

he raised money. we'll get him out, the old boy, dust him off. he is one of the guys that served in that office. he knows what it takes we need leadership right now and he thinks i can do it. david: is this enough to save jeb's campaign? with me, mercedes schlapp, former gw bush spokesperson and roy -- hello to you both. i know about south carolina, gw still polls extremely well. he will be a boost to the campaign. what about places like iowa and new hampshire? >> i think like jeb said, you could probably see george w. bush out in south carolina and the southern states. george w. bush has a 77% favorability amongst republicans. he is obviously from the, for social conservatives in particular, for those fiscal fil

conservatives. what happened in the iraq, war those are issues some republicans don't agree with it and how he handled it. this is thing about jeb bush around the president. it is close isn't family. david: yes it is. >> i'm not surprised president bush will come out on behalf of jeb. he is incredittably likeable personality. i think it is asset for jeb to use. david: we haven't seen a lot of him. it will be interesting to see how it plays. deroy, you have the blame the bush theme. usually coming from democrats but also comes from some republicans now. does that, is that theme getting old and steal? will it not work anymore or will it have some resonance. >> the great way to bring it back into prominence and gw bush to leave his ranch. david: you think it is terrible idea. >> it is terrible idea. people want to remember the bush years. remember this is the man -- david: beyond iraq why? spending? >> spending. brand new prescription drug

plan. pork barrel projects. bridge to nowhere. appointing harriet meyers who is kind of legal assistant to the white house to the supreme court. and on and. david: address points deroy make. >> i understand. i don't think voters will think about harriet meyers. they are thinking he does have the connection when you're talking about social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. there is still that sort of base out there that is attractive when george w. bush comes in and rallies the troops in that sense. now, is it for all republicans? should they put him out everywhere? probably not. david: not for this one anyway. deroy, quickly. hold on a second. deroy go ahead. >> as my fiscal conservative my skin crawled, a nationalize. david: bailout. >> horrifying. bailout, nationalization was terrible. david: move on to something we might all agree on.

candidate missing for the past couple debates, gop hopeful jim gilmore. ready to duke it out against fellow contenders. a former virginia governor. deroy, the only veteran running for president. i find that astounding, don't you? >> it is amazing originally 17 people running on gop side. i guess five on democrat side, out of 22 people he is only veteran. it is interesting as strategy to stay totally out of iowa an focus on new hampshire. i think a lot of candidates should do that. david: mercedes, my wife came to this country 20 years ago. she says we should have new amendment in the constitution, you can not be commander-in-chief unless you're in the military? what do you think? >> not a bad idea. we have had commanders in chief not part of the military who done a good job, who respect our military, take the advice of our generals to make the right decisions in our country. again i think it is interesting gilmore is even polling in the national poll right now. that says something of the fact

this race is incredibly volatile. i don't expect him in any way to get the nomination. if we're bringing back a fresh face or an old face back, that's fine. david: he is kind of a harry truman kind of guy. nice to see normal person, somebody, everybody could identify with rather than people who are out there. mercedes, deroy, thank you very much. good to see you both. >> thank you. melissa: there is a new reason to shed tears during this year's classic budweiser super bowl commercial. we'll introduce you to the latest member of the clydesdale family.

>> so there is a new member in the budweiser clydesdale horse family. mack. mack is the first foal born at the warm springs ranch in missouri. so cute. david: he is cute.

over 160 clydesdale horses where he will learn how to make super bowl viewers cry with the annual commercial. that comes not this weekend but the following weekend. >> that's right. always fun part of the super bowl. now they have a new foal. how cute. david: a lot of people watch for commercials. that does it for us. "risk & reward" starts right now. deirdre: gop frontrunner donald trump will not participate in the fox news debate tonight n a fiery interview with bill o'reilly trump defended his decision. >> i think you should forgive not only journalist who is come at you in ways you don't like, but i think you should be the bigger man and say you know what? i didn't like it. and you should make that case all day long. but, i'm not going to take any action against it. you know, don't you think that is the right thing to do? >> it probably is but you know it is called eye for an eye i guess also. you can look at it that y.