>> facebook and twitter won't last, the way to play is cellular broad band, verizon. >> self-driving cars and one thing in common, tires. around 50% in a year. >> oh, cavuto now. ahead of tuesday's next big primaries, did donald trump just get a big and unexpected move from the unlikeliest of sources. hi everyone, no less than the economist, the economist just ranking a donald trump presidency as one of the top threats to the world. terry willis says the republican front runner owes the magazine. also joining us, charles payne. charlie, along with ben stein and adam. daigen, as you just saw, hosting on bulls and bears. what do you think of this? >> the people who love donald will love donald even more

because this magazine says that trump is a threat to the universe and they think that's funny, but i have to tell you, it's not like our president can say, oh, i've done such a great job with free trade. well, see, there you go. >> republicans, i think they don't let any republican. >> we have highest level, the highest trade debt, deficit, in seven years. they're not doing a good job. >> well i mean listen, i can't imagine how many of, you know, that the economist is not the top of the reading list of a typical trump supporter. stein, what do you mean by that? >> i'm not going to say what i mean by that. i'm very curious to what you're implying with that statement. >> you don't want the hate mail to come with me today. but i will say this. you know, having an elitist british magazine, that's what they are. marginally left, it's not a total left. >> they're not the only ones. they all let it. >> i mean, those are --

>> exactly. >> they all love donald trump. >> but have a leadest magazine say donnell's a bad guy on trade, where a lot of his trade stuff, i criticize him a lot, maybes sense, we cut lousy deals with the chinese, by the way, talk to an average businessman in china, almost impossible. i think this helps him. >> i'm out of here. charles, what do you think? >> well, to your point, the economist, when it's a story on america that's bad, they have a picture of uncle sam and a caricature, the rare story is america is good, they have a picture of barack obama. that's all you need to know about the economy. >> all true. >> gary. >> so, listen, it's, they have a couple things trade thing, if it was a massive trade war. they talk about him wanting to use 30,000 troops against isis. i'd like to compile doctrine, if it takes 50,000 to annihilate them, i have no problem with this. it helps them, it doesn't hurt them. you read the article and there's

only a couple things that you say eh, but there's no way in the world that he's the top ten in the world. >> tiny. >> and reprint them over and over again. there's one in the beginning. same article in the end. >> i need to get a mag any fieing glass, oh, this is why you hate him. again, the economist just delayed this, but if i'm trump, i'm running with that and campaign commercials or am i not? >> absolutely. look, you could take all the voters in america, read the economist and pay any attention to them, put them in your ear, it's absolutely nothing except it shows that a lead core of snobs, elite core of snobs used to call them is trying to beat up on trump. by the way, trump's trade policies are terrible. they are a real mess. they're really seriously bad idea. but the idea that we need to be lectured to by the economists, that insane. i mean, we don't need to be lectured to by them.

we're the economy that's doing the best of all the large industrial countries. we don't need to be lectured by a bunch of snobby guys. >> all right. to be fair, adam one of the things they say is he could bring on global trade tensions and trade wars and tit for tats that get out of control. >> we will. >> well, that's what they're saying. we can shoot the messenger, but what do you make of that message that they're sending? >> well, i believe that. and i was just thinking while ben was talking, i don't know, i rather enjoy being lectured by the economists, that says something about me. >> it sure does, pal, it sure does. >> i can embrace that, neil, welcoming to open trade wars is great fun for people to talk about, you know, let's go screw those, you know, the chinese and the europeans, blah, blah, blah, but it is a real concern. it is not the way prudent states women talk. >> the european union going microsoft, google, apple, because they had the nerve to

have products products that protect. and you say, it's doing something that you appreciate. after microsoft, our government hassles google, any trust is a good thing. >> i expect them to have good response. >> we can talk about, this is not a trivial subject, neil, to just say we're going to start a trading war prp. >> all kidding aside, hypocrisy inherent in that, right? >> of course, you know, all the things to worry about trump about, i mean, i just don't think the end of the world is, you know, a global trade war. because i don't think we're going to go there. >> i wouldn't agree with that. >> but they say, he's going to be a loose cannon. >> i think given all the hot air that trump spews out --

>> this is a hot button issue. this is a hot button issue. >> lord have merz, global warming. >> they're not the first publication to say that he is going to unite that. >> well look, i think that trade is a big issue with americans and the people who have lost jobs or received lower pay. it's not an issue that doesn't matter, it does matter. it's like saying what he thinks, i doubt it. >> what do you think? >> well, listen, they went after him on trade, isis and also how he treats the middle east or its rhetoric towards though. again, out of all those things, the only thing i'm concerned about is a full blown trade war. i don't think they understand the implications of a full blown war and what it takes to win that war. we could win it, we could win it trump's way, the way he's talking about, but it would extraordinarily. >> i'm worried about global warming, he blows so much hot air. balloon the world.

>> donald trump has taken on the pope and he has taken on or soon others in the established media and been the better for it, so, it seems like events like these, criticisms like these, he does okay. but do any of the points that any of them make come back to bite him? >> the economists are a bunch of left-winged punks. >> come on, come on, come on. >> it's absolutely -- >> talking the economy. the economist is not taking seriously. >> neal -- >> taken seriously by punks and office buildings. >> this isn't about the economists. >> this has nothing to do with a trade war is a real problem, but we don't need to be told by the economists. thank you, economists. go home. >> these punks -- it doesn't

fit. >> i could see, maybe. i could see. he might be right. >> best line ever. adam, what do you think of that? maybe, this is one provocation that says he's a danger. others have said, hey, there's nothing there, there's no plan there. doesn't seem to matter to voters right now. he's the lead guy in the republican party. he could be the guy. so any of this will catch up in spell this out, regardless of who's the critic telling him to spell it out. >> absolutely. you put your finger on it, neil, a moment ago when you said isn't there a concern he's a loose cannon? when we get to the general election, it absolutely is a concern. it will be a concern with the entire american electorate. it does not, this does not hurt him one bit with his core voters right now, everybody's right about that. do americans care about having a loose cannon for president? they absolutely do. >> how about a loose cannon that doesn't understand. one of the problems about the

debates is he doesn't unpack these issues well. and i think the economists is full of it. they are punks, they're left-winged -- >> i have a tough time. >> he'll make hay of this and win on this, when hillary clinton or whoever the democrats nominee if she gets indicted, they'll know the issues better than him. >>ly say it, donald trump will be a lot less of a loose cannon coming to the general election. >> he's going to pivot to a different point of view. he pivots every 20 minutes. that's why he changes his mind on every major idea he's ever had. >> yeah. >> flip, flop. >> everybody agrees that trade war is a bad idea, we don't like being talked about, talked down to by these punks. >> yes. >> that's it, bottom line. >> yes. >> meanwhile, forget the delegate count, should all eyes be on the donor count? after this.

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this is more likely to become an open convention than we thought before. so, we're getting our minds around the idea that this could very well become a reality, and therefore, those of us who are involved in the convention need to respect that. >> trying to disrupt conventions again, welcome back. can't get that the out of my head. and talk of a contested convention is gaining traction. you might get ready to see a lot of republican donors taking action and putting their cast behind the candidate they want to see win. all right. so charlie, donors could decide this. >> they ultimately do decide it. the donors decided marco rubio's fate. i know major donors told before him to get out. they might have had a turn and stayed in. and the reason why he got out right after florida, desite saying he wouldn't is because they were going to pull the plug, and the major donors are threatening right now to pull the plug on the republican party. remember one thing that any republican nominee needs, cachet

of money from the gop, from the party thaits goes to that candidate. >> where would they go? >> nowhere. if donald trump becomes -- >> ben stein, do you buy that? >> anybody who gets the nomination of a major party can raise as much money as he or she wants, there's no problem raising money. i remember mr. nixon saying how easy it was to raise money once you have the nomination. and so if mr. trump gets the nomination, a, fair a. money himself, nowhere near as much as he says he does, but he has a great deal of money. he'll get plenty of donations. the donors aren't going decide. the voters are going to decide, will trump implode or a bunch of punks drag him down? >> i don't know. i think he has a chance. i think he's got momentum. >> yeah. all right, adam, what do you think of that? >> well, of course he has a chance, of course he has momentum, but i think the people with money will do, will just continue what they've been trying to do for months now. and they will funnel that money away from trump.

i totally disagree about that. >> they're not giving trump any money. >> he hasn't asked for any either yet. >> right. and he hasn't needed much because he's used media effectively. again, everything will change in the general election. >> all right. what do you think? >> i think you guys are full of doggy doo, can the rich, wealthy, 1%, getting all this money in this campaign, it has not made a darn bit of difference. jeb bush spent $80 million. what happened? he's out of the race. >> how about when hillary spends 500 million? >> i don't know, what i'm telling you is that a lot of people out there who are voting not because they're being influenced by ads but because they're upset about the economy. >> yeah. >> raise plenty of money. the republicans will raise plenty of money. >> they can. >> whos ever is inle control of the budget is in control of the budget. that's why the donor class always steps up. having said that, adam's right if the so-called donor class folks who would want to pull

strings are going to make their last shot, they're last big money shot to detrail trump. 200 million hasn't done it, doubtful any money will do it. >> but i do say, and i wonder, you follow these guys close, would donald trump take money if he gets the nomination self-funded, how could he explain taking money? >> he has to because he doesn't have the money. he has liquid security -- >> i understand that, how would he explain to people? >> i don't know, how does he explain every flip-flop and 180 that he's done? here's the problem he's going to have. by now in the convention, let's say he wins at the convention or when the election occurs, he's going to say about 20 really outrageous things, knowing donald trump. and will the average business donor want to put his name to a guy that plays footsie -- >> how would that different from the # 0 outrijs things? >> he didn't raise money from major donors?

>> do you think, i guess what i want to know geri, how he would explain taking money. >> i think it's easy, this is what it's going to take to beat hillary rod m clinton. >> the campaign has been, i'm not beholdened to these. >> he's already dropped everyone -- >> he has. i've turned down a lot of money. you wait for the crowd to react. sooner or later, the crowd demand he takes this money. his followers will demand it. >> explain to these people. >> no, beholdened to followers, not to donors. the followers demand donald take the money so it can take you over. >> contradiction in a long line of donald trump controversy. >> then you see this happening, right? >> oh, he'll take the money and people will love him and he has sex appeal he's -- >> sex appeal? >> he's going to give hillary more of a race than anyone thinks. he is a dynamic guy. >> i thought you said he didn't like him. his business stuff was sleazy,

ben. >> he totally is. the god father had a lot of sex appeal too. people can be sleazy and still have sex appeal. >> that's a very good, that's a very good point, drags people into it, but that's okay. meanwhile, as these two face off, our taxes about to the really take off? >> today on forbes on fox, anti-trump protesters looking to disrupt the events. who's rights trump whom? the protesters trying to shut him down or the candidates trying to get his message out. plus hillary says she will kill all coal industry jobs, is that really what our find fantasy shows.

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well, ain't this rich. if a new report is reich, hillary clinton and bernie sanders' tax plans won't just soak the rich. apparently it's a wider target. >> bernie does admit this much. >> you're right about that. >> this is the welfare utopia. 50 million on food stamps, wages going down. there's only one place to get the tax from. the people not being taxed and corporate america. hillary is making no bones about this. she want a balance sheet, she want that income statement. she wants a line on each one of these. for right now hill recent's cash to fund a welfare utop i don't. it's the only way to keep it going. >> it doesn't keep up with the government spending, gosh, no. it's going to cost you a whole lot of money. you know what i think is so

interesting. does sanders have the same bill of rights i do? you have a right to a free education -- >> the fdr's four freedoms. he goes on and on. we can't afford this. it would be a big hit to gdp. >> let's be real clear. liberals generally believe that billionaires and millionaires start at families of five living in long island making a combined total of $200,000 a year. that's their definition of millionaires and billionaires. if you like him, vote for them. >> i see a lot of tax hikes coming for a lot more people than the super-rich like you. [ laughter ] >> like ben, right? i think the analysis is correct. i think charles hit it on the head. sander at minimum is totally -- he needs to raise taxes on everyone to do it. >> you know, ben stein, i see a lot of create activity on

getting with to find more money in. a scant amount on saving money at all. we just don't do it. >> there's no way to save money. in fact we have had to spend more money. the joint chiefs were testifying last night, we've got to spend a lot more money on defense. so there's going to have tore tax increases. i'm afraid mrs. clinton and professor sanders, com rad sanders have it right, there will have to be tax increases, the republicans are dreaming if they think they can get without it. >> look at the time, you sound like a punk. we're done with you. i want to thank jerry. i want to thank jerry. no matter who wins i thought everything would go back

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stocks win no matter who wins the white house? >> i think this whole bed mattress thing, homes, the stock is undervalued. >> it sounds good. i have a similar one, xly, a confuser discretionary index. no matter who wins, the consumer economy will continue to do well. >> ben, your thoughts? >> i like indexes, too. iism glad i convinced adam long ago to. i like mysh spdrs, and i don't think that any of us can pick stocks. >> >> nice.

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