♪ ♪ neil: all right. i want to go right here to ron christie. ron, of course, he's a john kasich supporter and, ron, you've heard this on this night where we're still waiting for results, long lines, but as david asman was reminding me at least in the case of arizona, they -- david: they went from 200 to 60 because there were so few voters. guess what? [laughter] neil: i'm sure it's still busy. bottom line, the passion that's been attributed to this race, the republican race, usually it's because it's donald trump, not john kasich, what do you say? >> a lot of republicans are

saying who's going to be the nominee? i actually had a good, long conversation yesterday afternoon with senator ted cruz. and senator cruz said, ron, not only do i have a path to beat donald trump, i have a path to become the republican nominee. governor kasich, on the other hand, is looking at this, neil, and saying i want to take this to the convention. i want to have a floor fight. i want to have an opportunity for the american people to see someone who's been in congress for 18 years, someone who's been a successful two-term governor, one who has taken ohio -- neil: he knows he can't win conventionally. >> he knows that, but he wants to offer himself up as an alternative. and so what i found interesting yesterday was that cruz seems to think your guy needs to get out of this race so that i can win this race. and kasich is saying, no, i'm going to stick this out for the duration. kennedy: well, i think you could make the argument kasich is acting as a human shield for trump because he knows if he

does that, he's going to be the vp. he is the establishment in an anti-establishment year. the fact that he's the last governor standing is a testament to his fortitude, not necessarily his national popularity. but because he can deliver ohio, because he's such a popular governor this, he's a really attractive choice for someone like donald trump who, when we talk about triangulation, he may need to triangulate to the establishment. that's the only reason -- >> but, kennedy, here's the difference. john kasich, i was his legislative director when he was in congress for seven and a half years. for him to be called the establishment, the republicans and democrats wanted to spend more money. kasich said we need to find a way to actually get government in control, and the folks who were the establishment looked at him and said, oh, no, we want to spend more money. david: i know that they balanced the budget, but, of course, you had a president who was kind of working with the republicans in congress which is not what you have this time. >> that's right.

david: again, people -- i respect his ability to bring people together, but that's not what people want. they want somebody who's willing to shake the tree and just throw all of the bums out this time. he's not that guy. >> but, david, i think you're right on one-half of folks are tired of we're going to balance the budget, we're going to repeal -- kennedy: no, they're mad at so much more than that. he was a congressman for 18 years, he is a sitting governor. if that is not what the establishment is, if that is not the definition, i don't know what is. dagen: but he wouldn't have won ohio though if people hated him because -- kennedy: they don't hate him in ohio, he's popular there. dagen: the people, a lot of the american people, particularly people in the south and the midwest are angry at the republican leadership, the people who are more recently -- neil: but is it monolithic? is it everybody? dagen: i want to ask, can i ask ron something? >> dagen, you can always ask.

dagen: i've watched a lot of these rallies, and it seems like there's been, and i've said this on the air, governor kasich has gone through something very personal in terms of his connection with these voters, and that could be one of the reasons that he's staying in this race, because he feels like in his heart -- i mean, he is relating to these voters in a way that's very emotional. neil: so you don't share kennedy's jaded, cynical political view? [laughter] kennedy: realism, neil. dagen: i'm a marshmallow on the inside, and i see something has changed with him. am i wrong? >> no, you're not wrong. it's visceral. it's real. he has made a connection. i've known him for 24 years, and the one thing i can say about governor kasich now out on the stump is that he's heard from so many folks who have lost people, who have come forth with very emotional, personal stories, and it's really had an impact on him. and i think that's why he's till around. that's why he's still in -- neil: do you feel guilty now, kennedy? kennedy: no. he's won one state.

i think he's an intuitive person, a very kind person. i was on a bus with governor kasich and senator mccain for 15 hours, and i can tell you, he's a decent guy. he's a wonderful conversationalist. he's a caring, feeling human being. i'm not hater, i'm just pointing out the fact that he's won one state, that's it. if you win one state, you don't get to be president. david: how does he deal with the issue of being a spoiler? how does he answer the charge? >> well, david, i think that's the really tough thing he has to confront, and that's one of the things senator cruz said to me last night -- neil: why were you talking to cruz? are you trying to glom on? >> this was in the fox green room in d.c -- kennedy: who's jaded? [laughter] neil: and i love ron. >> but let me answer your question because you said, you know, if your guy gets out, then i think i have a better path, and it's only two of us. and i said, well, fine, senate, if that's the case, why don't you get out? you don't have the path to get to 1237 --

neil: he has more of a path than your guy does. >> he needs to win 69% of the outstanding contests which i don't think the -- is going to happen. i look at and say what -- neil: 60%, he denies trump from getting the 53% he needs, right? you could make an argument no one gets there. david: if it goes to a contested convention, the trump voters are not going to go for kasich, they're more likely to go for cruz, right? so he is the spoiler. dagen: what math -- where'd you get that? [laughter] [inaudible conversations] david: more like cruz than kasich, no? >> david, here's how i come at this, we're the republican party of lincoln. lincoln won on the third ballot. if you look, if you to go all the way -- neil: if this ever was a cofiver, it was lincoln -- >> now know i had to go there. neil: the kasich of his time. kennedy: the path to hell is paved with good intentions. this race is not about being

kind and snugly and warm and giving someone a hot cup of milk at bedtime. if it were, it would be vastly different. you wouldn't see supporters and protesters at donald trump rallies, this kind of foment, outrage and authenticity. you would see dr. ben carson at the top of of the podium leading the delegate count. >> well, here's the thing with dr. ben carson with all due respect -- neil: oh, boy. >> -- he has not been someone who's been sitting in congress for 18 years, a governor for two terms -- kennedy: which is why he was popular because he's also not the establishment. and being anti-establishment in this case means being an outsider. >> oh, but, kennedy, we've seen what's happened when you've had a one-term person who had no experience running the united states government which i thought was a -- david: so we've got two one-term senators running for president -- >> we did. [laughter] dagen: we are painting this race with such a broad stroke. it is what you do on the trail, it is how you connect with people --

>> that's right. dagen: for john kasich and what he's been able to do. maybe i don't want to say he's delusional, but i know that he has built such a relationship with these voters that he can't give it up right now. kennedy: it's not reciprocal, because they're not voting for him. >> wait a second. for having been on the bus with him in new hampshire, in south carolina, this is not delusional. what you're tapping into is very real, dagen. people have a visceral reaction to the governor on the trail. does he have a path to win on the first ballot? no. but do people recognize that he actually cares, that the sincerity actually matters, experience matters? yes, it does -- david: not to the trump voters,. kennedy: no, it doesn't. is sinner is orty going to get someone a bank loan to start a business? dagen: that's what hasn't worked, these other candidates thought that they had to fight trump by being trump. that was marco rubio's final dagger in his gut, was that he

thought he needed to basically make fun of them and attack donald trump, and it didn't work. but at least -- my point is at least john kasich is trying to be his authentic self which marco rubio failed at. >> failed at miserably, but i go back to experience matters. you look at a john kasich who inherited an ohio that was $8 billion in the hole, now they have a $2 billion rainy day fund. they had 9.2 unemployment rate in ohio, now it's 5.2%. clearly, there's something going on with his leadership, his vision and his instinct -- neil: but to kennedy's point, only one state appreciates him. >> hey, all you have to do is start with one, neil. [inaudible conversations] [laughter] neil: i want to thank -- ron, stay with us. don't go anywhere. >> sure. neil: i want to go to tempe, arizona, to peter barnes, get a sense of what's going on. >> reporter: the folks right behind me waiting for two hours

they've just told me, and the line's still going out, down the block, so this precinct is going to be open for a while longer. they will not send the results in from the voting here until the last person has voted. so it could be a while, as i reported before. i have confirmed with maricopa county officials part of the problem is in the last primary they had 200 precincts around the county that were open to voters to save money and because of the trend of more people voting early by mail, they cut that down to 60 places this time including this one, a recreation center in tempe. what they did not anticipate, according to a spokesperson for the recorder of elections, was the turnout. they did not expect the level of excitement, they did not expect all these candidates coming out here to the speak and to get all these voters ginned up. and between the cutbacks in the number of places and the

excitement about this particular primary, we have these very long lines and these results that are going to come in -- neil: but, peter, do those long line, are they a reflection of real breast in this campaign or the fact that there are fewer places for them to vote? >> reporter: it's both, you know? fewer places to vote. however, the one thing they did do is they did say before you used to have to come to your neighborhood precinct. that was the only place you could go. this time you can vote in any of the 60 places. so the spokesperson said we were trying to save money and, but more efficient to allow people to vote anywhere they wanted to. they spent a lot of time trying to educate the public about this but, apparently, a lot of folks didn't get the word that, you know, you didn't -- if you worked across town, you could vote right by the polling place near your office. you didn't have to drive all the way back to your neighborhood. neil: i see. >> reporter: some perhaps miscommunication, misunderstanding. but then also the turnout, they did not anticipate this.

this is the -- they think this will be the highest turnout ever for a primary for the state of arizona. neil: all right. and with early numbers coming in -- thank you, peter, very much -- we're not calling this, but donald trump has a very big lead in arizona. he was polling very well in this state where, of course, the border situation is the issue by a country mile. but, again, if donald trump wins this state, he gets all 58 delegates which would put him around the 740, 750 neck of the delegate woods. so by that math, ron, he would be -- >> he'd be on his way. this is the big prize tonight. neil: yeah. >> the big, big prize not. neil: and, by the way, if he limits ted cruz in utah -- >> right. neil: -- to under 50%, then he would get a percentage of utah too. >> that's right. and that, to me -- neil: your guy's nowhere on the map. >> well, my guy, i'm a republican. i'm looking at the republican field and saying is there a republican candidate tonight

that can get the 50% plus one so they can take all those votes in that state tonight, and i'm not quite sure that they will. kennedy: it couldn't have been ted cruz if governor kasich hadn't lobbied so hard in utah, but he made that big, last final push -- neil: just like ted cruz did to marco rubio in florida. kennedy: oh, and it hurts, doesn't it? politics is a dirty game. neil: what do you think of romney and the role he's playing? >> honestly, i think it's a little pit surprising. how can you support kasich in ohio and support rubio in florida and then go to another state and support someone else? neil: the goal was to stop trump. >> but pick one, neil. pick one. pick a candidate and say i'm endorsing my candidate and go after that candidate and endorse them and speak for them. but to do this hybrid? neil: ron, i don't want to interrupt, but we are showing the democratic side where

hillary clinton is doing quite well now with about half the vote in. she was expected to do very well here, she is doing very well here, arizona is just her cup of tea, but it was a cup, david asman, that bernie sanders was saying i have a good shot here in the phoenix area, scottsdale, and it's just not happening. david: you know what might have affected that race? the terrorist attack. hillary clinton is shown in poll after poll as being more trusted on security issues than bernie sanders. she's known for many things, but she does have experience -- neil: she could come away from this evening, right, dagen, with a bigger delegate lead. and not only does he have to start winning, bernie sanders, he has to start winning big. dagen: right. and, again, he's still raising money, and he's going to stick it out -- neil: no, there's no reason for him to quit. dagen: right. neil: waiting for her to be indicted? kennedy: yes with. absolutely! someone's got to take the reins.

dagen: i just want to point out, though, that it'll be interesting to look at her share of the latino vote in arizona. she won big with hispanic in texas and florida, not so much in illinois. so if she really runs away with the hasten his hispanic latino , that bodes well for her. david: remember what trump did in nevada -- [inaudible conversations] we'll see. dagen: that was less than 1% -- david: i understand very small, but still significant that he got that many -- [inaudible conversations] neil: whoa, whoa, whoa. dagen, are you taking the charlie gas pea know -- gasparino role and just minimizing everything donald trump does? [laughter] dagen: no. neil: you said half of this and half of that -- dagen: people make a lot out of that, and i'm saying, don't. based on statistics. kennedy: in a general election, she's absolutely right. dagen: thank you. kennedy: you cannot glean how donald trump is going to --

neil: i understand that. but she didn't give him the benefit of the doubt. [laughter] she said, well, you got all that -- dagen: it was less than 1% of the hispanic population -- neil: hater. [inaudible conversations] neil: ron was a gentleman about all the other candidates, he didn't say nasty things -- kennedy: oh, my gosh, you should have heard him in the green room, he was working blue. [laughter] david: what happens in the green room stays in the green room, kennedy. [laughter] kennedy: i forgot. the green room is the vegas -- dagen: actually, i will say you know how we know it's gotten real? your stage manager walked over in the commercial break and offered me a toothpick. [laughter] >> i don't want to touch, and that's not one of 'em. neil: he does a lot of weird things, but, i mean, he's tired. [laughter] all right, we're driving with gas because results are coming in, and now in arizona we can see donald trump, he's running away with it in this state. again, half the vote in.

he was doing well here, but you cannot say -- and i think i david touched on it -- what happened in europe today, he won arizona. we can now say he's won. so now we're waiting for idaho, we're waiting for utah, but by math, we're at 33 percent of the way there. we're going to stick with this now because, well, because the tension's building. [laughter] kennedy -- [laughter] kennedy: yes, neil. neil: work with me here. fox business -- i have nothing to follow up. [laughter] do you think that this, you know, you hear ron, it's a very credible position, vote for john kasich, and we've heard ted cruz, credible position. others stay donald trump, 53, whatever ron was saying percent of the vote. can all these guys get along when all is said and done? can they all "kumbaya" together? kennedy: yeah, if there's a job for them. neil: i think they all hate each other.

kennedy: ted cruz might see him as a one-term president -- neil: do you think if donald trump offered him, ted cruz, be my running mate, ted would turn it down? >> i think he would. neil: really? >> i think the visceral dislike that you touched upon -- neil: lbj hated john kennedy. fought left and right. george and sr -- >> that was 1960. we're talking about 2016. neil: you just talked down to me. [laughter] >> i would never talk down to you on your show, my man. neil: i respect you so much -- [laughter] all kidding aside, there's a history of overcoming differences. dagen: donald trump would never offer that job to ted cruz, because he doesn't bring anything to the table. david: what about john kasich? he could bring ohio to the table. that's a big state. kennedy: they've already made the deal. >> david, this is where i can say i'm just a former staffer for the current governor of ohio. david: he says up and down i'd

never go for vp -- neil: would you join him at the naval observatory? >> i think governor kasich right now is focused on winning this, and he's focused on winning this in a contested -- neil: do you really think that's going to happen? kennedy: no. neil: look at me. >> i'm looking at you neil. that's what he thinks. neil: you're very good with numbers. >> you know i am. neil: okay, so -- >> my wife might beg to differ. neil: the numbers are kind of daunting. >> but let's be honest, and i'll go back to your question. neil: first, you've got to answer mine. >> i tried to answer yours, and i got cut off. look, i think governor kasich recognizes that we've had eight years of a failed administration. does he think that he could be part of an administration that could fix this if it's a republican administration? yes. neil: as a running mate? >> does he think that he could have a position to help fix this as a member of the administration in. neil: oh, no, he didn't. kennedy: oh, yeah, he did. [laughter]

neil: in arizona, it looks like hillary clinton has picked up that state. is it winner take all, dagen, in arizona for democrats? >> arizona, yes. neil: 85. my, negotiation she's been nominated -- my gosh, she's been nominated. kennedy: yea. neil: with 85, by the way -- i'm kidding. [laughter] she's almost at 1730, right? dagen: it was done for her last tuesday. neil: well, i've just made an observation. i don't know you have to put me down. [laughter] dagen: why is it always about you? neil: because it's about me! dagen: oh, that's me. [laughter] neil: do you know who's a perfect gentleman? david. dagen: no, he isn't, he's been talking over me the whole time, and all of a sudden charlie gasparino's bad? kennedy: charlie's not here tonight. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] kennedy: i have my listening ears on, neil. neil: thank you, because obviously ron doesn't. [laughter]

bernie sanders is running out of fewer and fewer options. kennedy: he's not going to be president of the united states. neil: could he be your running mate? [laughter] kennedy: if she goes progressive -- neil: wow. david: holy cow. dagen: i'm going to pick a running mate whose aging health is an even bigger problem? neil: you're just a horrible human being. [laughter] kennedy: that'll really excite the kids. [laughter] neil: oh, well, look who's got the kids, the 70-some-old guy -- kennedy: ironic hipsters playing banjos with their handlebar moustaches. they've lost their minds. they're voting for a socialist. they have no context, they have no prefer spective, and they don't vote. dagen: and that is actually big among the youth, handlebar moustaches. neil: all right. i want to brung in -- [laughter] i want to bring in some decorum

to this joint. niger ennis, it's looking like a night, my friend, we're going to see -- >> you're having way too much fun up there. neil: tell me about it. but it's news you can use, my friend, it is news you can use. [laughter] what do you make of the fact that when all is said and done on this night, i think it is fair to assume hillary clinton leaves with a wilder delegate lead than -- wider delegate lead than she had going in and donald trump the same? >> it depends on utah. it depends on utah. >> right. >> the question is, does ted cruz reach the 50% plus one threshold in utah. if he does -- neil: no, no, donald trump's already won 58 in arizona. >> he has. neil: so whether you see cruz picking up all 40, donald trump has 18 more. >> true. but it could -- right. neil: i did the math for you, go ahead. >> and you do it very well even without a calculator. neil: well, actually, i have a little -- it's all right. [laughter]

>> so the question is, yes, donald is going to leave tonight with a wider lead. the question is how much wider. neil: is he unstoppable? do you think he can get, i think ron put it 53% of the remaining delegates, do you think he's on path to be the nominee? >> he is the front-runner, no question about it. neil: that's not what i asked. can he get the delegates to close this deal and avoid all this, you know, fighting and everything else? >> not necessarily. it's really going to depend on how well kasich does in the northeast. of course, there's some other states coming out west -- neil: have you heard the horrible things kennedy has said about kasich? [laughter] >> kennedy -- kennedy: really? >> shame on you. kennedy: i'm being realistic. i'm the friend who would tell him he's got something in his teeth and that he looks bad in white pants. [laughter] >> but he doesn't wear white pants -- kennedy: because he's got a friend like me. neil: exactly. [laughter] his is a problematic route to the nomination.

i understand what ron was saying -- i'm talking about kasich. you know, you force or a contested convention, follow-up ballots, it's anyone's guess how it goes. sometimes they go to outsiders like they did with thomas dewey in '48. so i know they can do it, and i know there's history to having it be done, but i would imagine there'd be all hell busting loose. >> heck, yes. forget about it. kasich has no chance to be the nominee. the nominee is either going to be donald trump or ted cruz, and i guarantee speaking for tea party forward and millions of tea partiers, there would be problems -- neil: what if neither of them gets that 1236, you know what i'm saying? all of a sudden you know the history of these follow-up ballots. you get progressively further away from the destination the more pal otts you have. >> you know what? this election is the most exciting certainly in my adult lifetime, and i doubt that even the republican party would be stupid enough to go away from the the grassroots enthusiasm that donald trump and ted cruz

currently have. neil: all right. but it's either/or. right? in that -- >> that's right. it's got to be, one or the other. neil: those guys are miles apart. they don't like each other. they're saying horrible things about each other's wives, which i haven't even gotten into. [laughter] i've got to update that, because it's gotten worse. that's division among just those two. >> with but not among their supporters. interestingly enough. neil: oh, i disagree. >> i can't tell you how many -- neil: they don't like each othe >> i can't tell you how many times i've gone with trump supporters and they've told me they like cruz too -- neil: yeah, but you're a likable guy, niger. [laughter] >> these the rumor. david: they're saying, could you believe that? neil: but i'm just telling you, they don't like each other. [laughter] they don't. [laughter] >> i've been called many things, gabon is not one of them. neil: i am not doing fox business. [laughter]

kennedy: yeah, like 30 seconds, and he rips his mic off. neil: exactly. >> i no, here's where i disagree with you very respectfully. i'm not going to be like kennedy and just trash you. kennedy: thanks, neil. [laughter] neil: i just think they don't get along, and i don't know how they can kiss and make up. >> no. neil: ron, you agree. >> niger knows this. behind the curtain, behind the scenes these candidates have been on the trail for so long, and it's so personal at this juncture. neil: that's exactly right. >> no. they're not going to kiss and make up. they do not like each other at this juncture. neil: do you think they rial like niger? >> i do. neil: i do too. [laughter] thank you, my friend, as always. you're really a class act. and he is, he's a decent human being. i don't know what he's doing in this political coverage. and tempe, arizona, they're still waiting, and i guess everyone, dagen, is going to get a chance to vote, right? so this is not over until they've all voted. dagen: i can tell you why this

is going to be so critical for trump, because this is going to be a great indicator particularly in areas around phoenix, for example, of what happens in california. and he's going to need to nail california if he wants to get to 1237. neil: how do polls look for him in california? kennedy: he's ahead. but cruz is claiming in the most recent field poll -- neil: is california winner take all? dagen: no, it's not. >> no. dagen: the demographics -- kennedy: open primary benefits trump. dagen: the demographics in certain parts of arizona are very similar to around riverside, california, a stronghold. this is a california girl over here. >> i'm a california boy. if my home state goes for donald trump -- kennedy: we went to high school together. and dated briefly. [laughter] dagen: did you go to high school together? >> no, but it's fun for live tv. neil: and we thought business

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bolton. >> polls closed in utah, it is worth noting hillary clinton is only candidate on either side of did not span any time in utah, her daughter was there. campaigning. we have been talking about arizona. you brought results, but it would be worth going into in counties that we've been talking about. maricopa county we know sheriff there, sheriff joe arpaio. very well, a local hero, a national hero, very much relating to all of the border counties. there has been so much illegal immigration, you spoke with former governor jan brewer earlier on the show. she passed that lemmtation -- legislation that lets people stop and ask for papers.

>> quick snap shot. just to give you latest delegate count. our team will pull up that for me, trump with the win in arizona, greatly expected. there it is. neil: he -- ted cruz would have to get more than 50% of vote in utah or he will fall getting 50% he gets all 40 delegates from utah, republicans are not in play in idaho. >> cruz very much expected to win in utah. they are not against what they see as religious persecution. they have been offended by some of the trump's comments. neil: you have kasich role

ther there. >> who spent no money. neil: a spoiler in the state. denying 50%. >> that is what they need 50 plus one, ted cruz -- a big 40 for him. if he can get there. neil: here we go, morgan. david. kennedy, dagen. morgan good to see you. >> thank you. >> how does this night look? >> i think like most former jeb bush supporters this night is depressing as ever. i have been talking with ted cruz people. saying take me to the math, tell me how you get to 1237, they take me through each state, there is a lot of match but when you have night like arizona, each of the delegation contest now, there

is this next week, a few next week, it gets slimmer and slimmer, it is hard to have momentum. i most surprised, i thought over past two weeks, i thought trump would do something to throw the rest of us a bone in the republican party. in washington, maybe i am a bit cynical, but i think that people are dying to go toward nominee, they want a blum spot in the administration, i think they would lineup behind trump because they want power and access. i am surprised i have not seen that, he has done out reach this week. but he has not done what i thought -- thought. neil: filled with republican leaders. >> quite a guess. >> i am most surprised about what he did romney did 4 years ago, and mccain did, and anyone who would win, has to

do bring the party together. >> does that prove me is not an establishment kind of guy. that is what he is essentially doinga he said, he does not abide by establishment rules. >> he is not going to brin party together, that is a great strategy. >> he is talking about the establishment. you are talking about the stabe establishment. he is talks about half the of party. >> you have to look beyond party. i think that a broader strategy, you have voters so frustrated on republican side, who feel that party has failed them. >> you can't win general election unless you have latinos and women voting for you. these left of center blue collar union workers, many

have voted for donald trump they won't help you win the general election. >> let's say you have 50% of people in utah voting for ted cruz. that is not the establishment. that is insults over 50% of party that still not voting for donald trump. neil: but with every progressive contest, donald trump's share, of overall vote, rises. it gets higher and higher. >> i'm not saying he is not going to be the nominee. i don't think that we'll see that until june 7. what i am saying he needs to make steps. neil: new jersey, new mexico. >> this is a 3-way race, two of whom are trying to deny donald trump 1237, they are not running for the win. >> that is crazy, they are not going to get it at the

convention. >> who does it go to? if not two who stayed in race 2 gets. >> i'm not a party insider, i don't know. i think if trump getting close could he desers nomination -- deserves nomination. neil: he has skills to close the deal. >> what is he waiting for. >> sick-out of 10 republicans -- 6-out of 10 republicans don't want a contested convention. neil: you have to redo the math. >> they want it given to him if he is close. neil: but, there is history here where the guys that were in the race, had to see to someone who was not in the race or a lesser player because of the way that balloting work.

>> before the primary start we talked about how fractured the republican party was. conservative and american people are frustrated with washington. everyone in donald trump's trump is completely and woefuly naive if they don't understand i am not talking about the establishment i am talking about mom and pop. >> i hate to re reference what happened in brussels because it was awful, again after paris, you saw donald trump's general election numbers go from less 20 25% in 6 weeks we gained 12 percentage points. >> look how vastly different the landscape it. 2016 versus 2014 when rand

paul was pulling at head of the pak, every time we have these events, people get frightened they run to donald trump for better or worse. >> kasich -- >> a very divided party. everyone here in this entire network is naive if they think -- 92 are yo. neil: are you calling us naive. >> some people in this network are naive, yeah. >> we're optimistic and hopeful. >> nice knowing you. neil: he was supposed to close that gap with hillary. passionate followers, but she has more delegates.

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neil: i want to look at these long lines in arizona. it could be just the fewer polling places or the huge interest. that one guy, has not moved in 3 hours. that is fine, but i mean, i could be imaging it across the state, same deal, arizona attorney general was marking

marco rubio, maybe he can tell us what is going on with these lines. what is the deal here? is it magnified by fewer polling places or it is off the chart voting? >> you know, first, let me say i'm glad i'm not wearing white kennedy. but -- i want to say, i had nothing to do with polling places. neil: being peevish so if i can say myself. >> there has been a lot of interest, we had presidential candidates come through. including major democrat and republican candidates, they did cut down on number of polling places. as john wooden use to say, failure to plan is planning to fail. >> quoting ucla basketball coaching legend, well done. neil: you get points for that one. >> what has trump done in

arizona to get people on his side? as he focused on border issues, or what? >> you know, i think that is a big part of it, just anecdote alley months ago, there are folks at my church, a go to church with a lot of immigrants, i am a first generation america, a lot of people there talking about border security, and bad economy, they feel they have been left behind, there is a lot of anger, i thought this trump phenomenon is not going away with the cake eaters and funpundits thought it would, as we focusing on security border, and economy issues that resonates with a lot of people. neil: what is his problem with cake eaters? we'll let that go. >> it did not work out for marie antoinette.

neil: okay. >> exit polls of last week it was economy and jobs that was biggest issue for voters, fourth was immigration, it was small, is that how immigration translates to bigger broader issue of lack of wage growth of the state of arizona, an unemployment rate higher than national average. >> it could be a combination, i do think because arizona is on frontline, we have seen consequences of a unsecured border, 6 months ago there were 6 folks apprehended from pakistan and afghanistan at our border, the ranchers down there were concerned they found coins from middle east, and huge money transfers, at nogales on the border, they

are worried about it from a national security perspective, but economists people tell us how great the economy is, how he should be happy. but reality, if talk with most people, the people at my church or my mom and her friends they are worried about retirement, and social security. they have not had a raise in 10 years. no matter what economists tell them in real life they are worried about kids keeping their jobs, and stagnant wages and growth people can feel it, that is a big issue that a lot of pundits are missing, even back on east those media. neil: well, i know those guys, don't get me started. attorney general thank you very much, with a good sense of humor too. donald trump has been tweeting, saying much bigger win than anticipated in arizona, thank you i will never forget, and ends it by saying -- pffft .

>> that is hard to get across, i think that the attack in brussels affected voters big time today. neil: i think it did. a big win for trump. >> trump was first presidential candidate to respond to the attack on twitter, this morning. >> is that right. >> he was -- all other candidates parsed their statements then put them out an hour or later. neil: very good point, the first nice thing have you said about donald trump tonight. >> that is not true. neil: it is. >> when we come back, we will pick apart the numbers, a good part we're not getting utah or idaho, but we'll guess. conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the new audi a4. with one notable difference...

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neil: isn't this the greatestit. i think so. now to join our team -- >> all right come down here. neil: um. i think that if you want to slowdown donald trump or hillary clinton, you failed tonight. you know what i'm saying? idea was to slow them down, they have not been slowdown. is that it? >> i think that is accurate. neil: i just made that up. i think -- go ahead. >> no, at some point, i think hillary clinton's lead is insurmount able, at some point. neil: why is he staying in?

hoping she stumbles or gets indicted or whatever. >> for bernie sanders this is about principal not about winning but for hillary clinton this is about winning not principal, bernie sanders has money to stay in, he has raised a significant amount of money from small donors, they are not maxing out, he can stay in to create a disruption to bring a cause and attention to issues he cares about. he is a man of principa principle. >> he does that, he is driving hillary clinton to the left with little time to wiggle back to the middle. >> that is what he wants to do, that is his legacy, he knows he will not be president of the united states, he wants to make darn sure that this democratic party is far less socialist.

neil: definitely not more liberal. >> typical socialist, he is burning through money like it is going out of style. once they get some money they spend it fast. >> dagen? >> i think that a good point, but in terms of money, you know why voters like sanders and trump, they are not beholden them to ruling class, if you will. that is why you have that cross over. neil: is donald trump -- the way thing are going, could he get past 1237 to make this fighting in cleveland moot? >> if is possible, the longer that john kasich and ted cruz stay in the race, the more difficult it is. realization has to come, reality is that's right leaders are those who set the game, they set playing field they chose the delegates they set primary calendar, at some point they have to conclude that donald trump is playing

the game better, they may not like it or like donald trump, but they can't just take their ball and go home. at some point republican party has to rally behind donald trump. neil: we shall see. >> thank you. >> thank you, neil. neil: a delegate count right now? bottom line republican side, donald trump is 7/39, he has widen that lead over cruz. kasich, to kennedy cruel point has not advanced the ball. on democratic side, hillary clinton has widens that about half way there. half way there, then some. so. for those guys, they are still the guys, what do you think? we'll give you results via the screen throughout the evening. ♪

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