names to help keep you secure when the world gets scary. >> the low volume index, charles. >> ben? ó;q6hank you very much, guys, the cost of freedom continues with dave asmin, the place to be, fox. what i can tell you is that unfortunately there were americans thatáhave died. >> closing guantanamo bay and admitting that americans have been killed by released gitmo detainees. and this is we're finding out one of the belgium attackers was arrested before and released by authorities over there and another one might have been kna nabbed if they didn't prohibit overnight raids. let's go in focus to find out with steve forbes and elizabeth

mcdonald, bruce jackson. steve, it's a mess over there. could what is happening over there happen over here? >> absolutely, david. not game of cops and robbers any more. which the president's attitude seems to convey. in belgium you mentioned the overnight raids being banned and the terrorists put together their bombs and their bomb factories and this has been a suicide pact. freedom as lincoln setd and freedom is not a suicide pact. we have a war. wage the war. >> bruce, so many catch and releases of these terrorists over there. emind you of what's happening with gitmo right here. >> well, i don't even really know given the election campaign if i know what politically correctness means any more when you have a lot of these people on the gop side talking about a campaign of small hands and attacking each other's wives. i think the rhetoric needs to be toned down and we need to get serious about, you know, what we're going after here. i know even in one of the few

complete sentences that george w. bush had in his presidency we're not at war with islam, we're at a war against evil. we need to tone the rhetoric down a little bit. >> we don't havei-k(l to ábuqááy we can see what political correctness leads to in terms of codify by law when we look at what's happening in europe. they allow the terrorists to get away. >> brussels, the capital basically, as steve pointed out, they can't do searches between 9:00 at night and 5:00 in the morning unless the occupants give permission. >> in fairness, they're trying to change it. but the bureaucracy is so thick they're having trouble changing it. >> investigations and, you know, they can'tw1 tap the phones of extremists. listen, i get it. this is about islamic radical terrorists. not islam. not a fight against islam. it's about these terrorists. because of this pc thinking. this whole thing that we're not

supposed to offend people. it was that emotional blackmail and we're not supposed to try to stop it. >> john, what do you think about this? >> it's not to say it, but i'll say it. governmentsk(h overseas they can't, i think we've seen this over the last 15 years that no matter what we try or our efforts, we haven't changed a dysfunctional part of the world and the people that spring from it. i think at the very least, we have to rethink what democrats and republicans have been doing in this war on terror. >> but, rich, the fact is that we have done, i think it's fair to say, with exceptions like gitmo and the release of prisoners there a better job than what the europeans are doing. we have seen so many cases where these terror suspects. i hate to use the word suspects, because we know they're terrorists released after being caught and get all kinds of passes. >> yeah, but that's a lucky

break due to geography and the atlantic ocean. i'm not all that confident that we were in europe's place given the current administration that is so politically correct that it won't even link the words islam and terrorism that we won't do just as bad a job as europe. language produces thoughts. thought produces action. if you want bad action, you corrupt6ñ language. and our own president is not using straight language. >> yeah, that's true. mike, to rich's point, san bernardino, we remember, there were a couple of the neighbors of the san bernardino terrorists who were going to say something but they stopped saying anything to authorities because of political correctness. they didn't want to be politically incorrect. >> the problem is, david, the president's political correctness has infected our military and also infected law enforcement. and you can make it difficult to proper legislation. more difficult for the terrorists to get in. one of the things we needed is

better border security. the obama administration has left many of these border posts deliberately vacant. he's doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done. >> steve, again, the point that it can happen here. you think of ft. hood. calling that workplace violence when there are so many connections todñ islamic tearr m terrorism. >> consequences and this is why the world is going to hell in a hand basket, david. the u.s. won't leave. they get the impression from president obama. not serious waging the war on terror the way it needs to be waged against these islamists. you see it in the collapsing portion of the middle east. we wouldn't even establish sanctions. safety zones in syria. now, europe is being overrun with millions of these refugees which is threatening the very existence of the european union. abdicating leadership in the united states. >> bruce, particularly when you combine all those refugees and

isis has said they'll infiltrate the refugees when you combine that with the bureaucracy and the politically correct laws they have over there and i'm really worried that we're ena enacting some of the laws over here. >> well, hillary clinton gave a speech this week on foreign policy. i know you guys are big fans of hers. she said that she talked about, you know, the political rhetoric has talked about walls and borders and so forth and she made a point. how high is a wall, you can't keep the internet out. other people talking about how in europe iáh will agree, in europe they're not even sharing flight manifests between the countries and the obama administration is requiring that before people come over here from europe. i would agree that there are things that europe can be doing. >> but this kind of just throw up your hands that we're in a new environment. you keep hearing that from the administration and from others who are running for president that you just, this is the new world. it's a brave new world. you just have to get used to it.

>> remember people who have been killed in terrorist attacks went up, what? 80% in fiscal 2014. you know, i appreciate bruce and i understand what he's saying. hillary clinton. the visa waiver program is a huge problem. they could come here and their british or swedish passports. by the way nidal hassan was promoted all the way to major despite evidence he was being radicalized and let's turn to gitmo. they're going back into battle. suspected or have, that was under g.w. peter lewis who was questioned in that hearing. he is the envoy for the pentagon. >> he said, you know, the risks of keeping guantanamo open outweigh the benefits of shutting it. meaning people are still getting killed, though. >> john, i want to give you one last go here. i know you're a solid libertarian. but is there not a way to

combine your libertarian views with the safety that we need that we haven't seen over in :5 europe? >> well, there is. my lib tearyism just says that government that is incompetent here is going to be incompetent globally and i think it's worth pointing out that isis took part of this attack. we went into iraq in the first place. is it politically incorrect to at least ask the question that if we weren't involved so much and dysfunctional parts of the world. if these problems might be less. >> quickly, steve, i saw you shaking your head. >> mistakes of the past shouldn't prevent us from defending ourselves today. that's what they said in the '20s and '30s of the rise of the nazis. our fault because of world war one. we made mistakes then. you have to fight terror and evil when you seef1 it. >> good discussion, thank you. >>mosul now captured by isis.

are you in favor ofm#ñ extending obama care to undocumented immigrants? >> two steps here. if someone can afford to pay for an insurance policy off the exchanges that were set up under the affordable care act, i support that. >> even if they're documented. >> yes. if they can afford it, they should be able to go into the marketplace and buy it. access to obama care for illegal immigrants. hillary clinton wants it, so does bernie sanders. rich, if we get a democratic president, how are we going to pay for it? >> well, that's the big question. what i don't get or i guess what i do get is that both sanders and clinton have no worries whatsoever about the illegal immigration problem because they are, in fact, in favor of creating more incentives for people to come across the border and take up residency here. as for the ideapj that once peoe would then sign up for obama care, that just absolutely

ridiculous. go visit an emergency room on a saturday night. >> bruce, there's another question here. which is you got 11.3 million undocumented workers, that according to pew research. we have 900,000 dollctors in america. you're adding all those new patients. how are there enough doctors to take care of them? >> a rise in the number of physician assistants and nurse practitioners. >> the quality of medical care will go down. >> you'll get some letters on that one. primary care. >> they're not doctors. >> here's the deal, she's basically saying if you can afford it.fu if they can afford it, they can buy it. they're not getting subsidies. for that, mrs. clinton said you have to do comprehensive immigration concerns. if they can afford it and working here and they're making money and know go to the exchand buy the coverage, then why not? >> steve, that's what they say

now and you know that eventually it's going to become free and i put that in quotes because, you know who pays for it some people who aren't paying for insurance. deductibles have gone up 81% since the beginning of obama care. 81%. >> that shows you can have the insurance and not get any more medical coverage or even less than you had before. as for illegal immigrants, people come here legally, they can't go on medicaidc; for five years. so, to reward legals over illegals is perp. i say they can with no subsidies. on the obama exchange they have subsidies. >> treasury inspector general found half a million people many illegals were getting tax credits and getting subsidies. obama care is a retail store front and taxpayer money wasted every year.

but john incentives matter. incentives matter in the economy and when you put out word that hillary did that illegal imdprni immigrants will get health care and lead to even more illegal immigrants coming in. >> i don't know if that's necessary true. what americans plainly don't want. you see free markets turn scarcity into abundants. let's not force government health%care on anyone. it doesn't work. >> the point is, we have thousands, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants coming in, particularly with a lot of pregnant women come in to get free health care and then their kids born here become u.s. citizens automatic. incentives do count for something in terms of bringing people in for handouts. >> and they s#count for hillary, david. her entire presidential campaign is based on pandering to freeloaders.

so, by doing this. she expects to get more votes. you have to remember her foreign policy was a complete disaster when she was secretary of state. the people in ben gaza were murdered and left top secret er own server of6[%7 go out and who knows what our enemies are doing with that. the only way she can get elected i can give you this for free and she has to raise taxes on the middle class in order to pay for it. >> rich, just sounds so familiar to that comments that were made by the president and others when they were pedaling this in the beginning obama care that it was, all this stuff was going to be free. you don't have to worry about people paying for it. we know now that wasn't true. >> yeah, you know, plus doctors aren't going to want raises and all that kind of stuff. they just don't understand economics at a fundamental level. >> bruce, again, i know the nurse practitioners are good folks and they're doing as best as they can but there simply

aren't enough doctors to go around. >> that has been the case long before the affordable care act and so forth. we have a congress that will not do anything about reforming the medicare system to fund more residency slaps. that's an issue for congress. we have aqo huge issue with tha. but i guess what i'm saying mrs. clinton says if they can afford it and buy the policies, why not? >> they say that now, what is going to happen later? >> already the worst position shortage because obama care is forcing a lot of doctors just to quit. especially the own individual practices or small practices together with others. they're being pushed out because of regulations designed to make it all big, which is easier to regulate. so, it's made it worse and buying insurance, fine. no subsidies. >> all right, that's the last word. the cashin' in gang getting ready to roll at the bottom of the hour. eric, what have you got? >> more policing in and

president obama is bashing him for saying it. who has got it right? college students claiming they were traumatized before trump messages written in chalk. what the heck is going on in our colleges. >> thanks, eric. we will be watching but up here first. critics still crying foul after the president attends a baseball game in cuba just hours after one of our allies is brutally attacked. the president wants to start a business relationship with the nation, but was this a costly mistake? the debate coming up next. ♪ bend me shape me, any way you want me

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the president pitches open relations with cuba at a baseball game on the same day of the brussels attack. strucks a good balance between the two concerns. steve, a lot of american companies want to do business with cuba. but was terrorism more important thisl week? >> oh, absolutely, david. security always trumps crony capitalism. that's what you have with the cuban government. they pay the worker you hire. so, i say security always trumps this kind of croneyism that is taking place in cuba. or will take place. >> bruce, the optics of playing baseball and then later on go to argentina and dancing the tango while europe is in chaos over terrorism does not look good. even though he was reluctant to do the tango. >> the tango, he was pretty good

at it. i would say, listen, diplomacy and coalitions and having good relationships with one of your closest neighbors will help us in the fight against terror and also some of these health crisises like the zika virus. i think the trip and the relationship with cuba makes us, helps make have a cold war against them. >> the fact is cuba supports terrorism. they support the m-19 in= cl columb columbia. it's like a watering hole for terrorists. will that help us? >> a state sponsor of terrorism over may of last year or at the state department.yzirñ all for capitalism and ontripneural spirit and we get that. understood. watch this in the '90s fidel castro basically the economy in cuba was on the ropes. i will do capitalist reforms and venezuela make more money off

its oil supplies. i'm saying with oil so, you know, with oil prices crashing, i think cuba is in trouble. they need u.s.dy loans to float their welfare states. >> a lot of u.s. companies that want to do business there. the fact is that while this terrorism stuff is going on, it just may not be the right time. he should have cut that short, shouldn't he have? >> i think you have to separate the two. we needlessly elevated a brutal company that has done terrible things to the citizenry. i'm glad we're opening up relations there. as far as terrorisms, we can't have it both ways and everyone seems to agree he is. why do we want him acting globally. i don't get it. >> mike, first of all. cuban people don't get much from people being there. foreign companies have been there for decades and cuban people still only get 24 bucks a

month. >> all goes to the military. cuba is a military dictatorship. the money goes to support the military. but i do agree with john. the longer obama stays in cuba, the safer america is. ut ten seconds. agree or disagree? >> look, nixon went to china in 1972 and it was a good thing. the castro brothers aren't going to be around forever. i support the president on this one. it was a good thing he went. >> last word

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everybody is agreeing with everybody else on this. i like that. that's it for "forbes on fox." have a wonderful weekend. thank you for watching. continuing with eric bolling and "cashin' in." >> it is standard, good policing to direct your resources to where the threat is coming from. we should do the same thing with radical islamic terrorism. ted cruz calling for more policing in muslim neighborhood of america so we don't become the next brussels. president obama begs to differ. >> i just left a country that engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance. which, by the way, the father of senator cruz escaped for america.y the land of the free. the country that we are. and it's not going to help us