and everyone else. shooting situation resolved at washington d.c. a bomb scare not a scare now in new york city. and, oh, yes, the markets finishing higher. melissa and david will take it away as we sound the closing bell on wall street on this monday. >> all right. as ashley just mentioned, stocks ending the day up a bit today. but the big news is not in the market. i'm david asmand. >> and i'm melissa francis. this is after the bell brand-new at this hour. washington d.c. law enforcement now looking into the identity and motivate for a gunman at the capital's visitor center. the shooter now in custody was shot. he is on his way to the hospital. a police officer also injured by shrapnel with minor injuries. although we've seen conflictive reports on that front. we will keep you up to date. lock down on capitol hill are being lifted on several government buildings. >> joining us now on the phone

is rod wheeler, former dc homicide detective and fox news contributor. rod, good to have you here. everybody's on edge because of what's happening in europe. we still don't know what happened here. but we can say that because the political situation is basically in recess in washington, the only people in washington right now are the tourists. it doesn't seem -- it seems like either the shooter was just a random nut or, in fact, very stupid not to realize that congress is not in session. >> right. well, good afternoon to you. even though congress is not in session, i can tell you -- and i'm down on capitol hill right now, i've actually just got down here, there's a lot of people around the capitol hill area, mainly because of the cherry blossoms. and this is one of the most heavily visited times of the year for our nation's capital. so it's a lot of people down here, even though congress and senate is not obviously in session. but i can also tell you from my police sources that they have identified who the shooter is.

now, they have not obviously released his information. and the reason they have not released his information is because they're actually working on getting a search warrant to search this guy's home. so that's as much information as they could get give me. but they're also trying to determine what was this guy's motivation? i am hearing rumors but keep in mind that these are rumors that this guy had a mental issue and they think that may be it. but so far, they have ruled out terrorism. they don't think this guy is affiliated -- up to this point, with any terrorist group. >> but, rod, one of the first questions i had is how did this guy get a gun in there? even the visitors center i imagine has a fairly decent security apparatus. but apparently was not good enough to disallow a gun from getting inside. >> well, you're exactly right. and just so you know, david, what we use at the capital, we use a security measure known as a layered security measure. and what that means is that there's various layers if you will that a person would have

to go through in order to get actually into the visitor center. now, this guy had passed by at least two or three of those outer layers and made it into the inner layer which is where the metal detectors were. so the security measures we have set up down there, apparently they did work because they don't check for weapons outside of the capital building, but we do check once a person gets into the visitor center. >> very quick question, should web checking in on the outside? should we broaden the perimeter for security checks that would get a gun? >> well, you know, that's a very interesting question. and what i can tell you is that there are at least 100 police officers -- literally 100 armed police officers in and around the capital building 24/7. and i think where we have the level of security right now, the perimeter around the building, i think it's pretty good. you're going to have these one offs like this guy. he's a nutcase. you're going to have these

types of folks that come up and do something crazy. but our police officers are trained to act instantaneously literally instantaneously to situations like what happened today. and i'll tell you they did a great job. >> although i'm just wondering because of what's happening in europe and because of, in fact, even though they're -- congress is in recess right now whether security's been stepped up and beyond the police whether other law enforcement agencies more homeland security-type people are involved. >> well, you know what? they are. that's a good observation. the joint terrorism task force was automatically notified. and just so that you know, any time something like this happened around the capital or the white house or any of those buildings, the washington monument automatically by protocol, we notify jttf. they automatically have a response unit that goes out and they're on scene today. and as far as the level of security increasing since the brussels attack, i have to tell you the answer is "yes." and i see it. i mean most people don't know

it because you don't see it. but this is what i do. i can see the increase level of security around our buildings in washington since that brussels attack. it actually started that same day. >> we always have the problem in united states, particularly a place like washington, which is supposed to be as open as possible to americans. americans paid for washington d.c. for all the monuments, for the history that's there. how do you balance our need to travel freely in a place like washington with a need for security? >> right. that's the $1,000 question. washington and the city of new york. you know, it's a tough job. it's not as easy, david, as some people may think. and we have a lot of trained officers all over the district and in places like new york city. but you know what? if you're going to get that one guy, that one nutcase that we know nothing about, not affiliated with anyone walks up and do what this guy did today, those are the ones that are sometimes the most difficult to stop. but we rely a lot on the citizens to let us know if they see something strange or

somebody acting, you know, irrational or something like that. but i think, again, i think the officers did a tremendous job today, mainly because their quick response and i actually could see what they did today. >> rod, this is melissa francis. i want to jump in for a second. right away people were talking about, well, this seems like a random time for something like this to happen because lawmakers are away. but, in fact, it's quite the opposite. it's spring break. and like so many people have mentioned, there are many more regular people walking around washington. students especially. the cherry blossoms blooming. it is the ideal time to go to the capital and look at the monument. i mean now we're shifting to this paradigm where you have people, you know -- i'm not saying that this was at all related to terror. but if that's what we're worried at down the road, they're looking for sheer numbers of people. so in a lot of ways, this weekend would be one of the biggest targets in washington; right? rod? >> you're exactly right, melissa. and, unfortunately, that's the grim reality and the world we live in. but we have to continue to enjoy the things we have in

this country. and i can tell you. you know, you're exactly right when you talk about the number of people down there. i'm down on the capitol hill now, right now. there's a ton of people down here. mostly tourists. and if some terrorist group is going to do something crazy, this would probably be the place. but i can tell you that the dc police department, capitol hill police, and the other agencies, we're prepared for that. and we understand -- and just like new york city police department. we're prepared for these kind of things. and we'll respond as soon as we have to if something were to happen. >> well, whoever it was, thought it was a soft target but clearly our guards were not caught off guard. it was not a soft target. and i venture to say there are very far soft targets with all the security in washington. good to talk to you, rod, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> sure. thank you, dave. >> joining us now on the phone, pat, former nypd detective. thank you for joining us. rod was on just moments ago and he said from his sources he's been told that the shooter has been identified. they're not releasing the name

but he believes they're now going with a search warrant to look through his home. does that sound right to you and what are the sort of things you would be looking for? >> well, rod is spot on all of his observations, particularly on what the officers did on their training. the fact is now, melissa, the real work begins. now becomes the connecting of the dots. and that whole engine comes along in the background 24/7 just working away, trying to identify any connectivity between this individual has now been identified and any other individuals to establish a motivation. because you always have to ask who are these madmen that kill complete strangers for no apparent reason? the majority of mass murderers, which is what we have here, basically unless they're affiliated or there's an underlying motivation, it's paramount for the investigators to identify if there's any unapprehended

coexperts behind the scenes. and this is where the real work comes in. they'll connect all the dots. and that engine runs very, very well. they have a terrific investigative apparatus. and that's where it's going to be interesting to see if he's a solo operator, at this point it's premature to speculate. but the fact is -- and i agree with john. the layers, the layers and i see it in new york a lot. the california a buildings in new york that remain unnamed. we'll all go in with a weapon and i'll be in the lobby with 10 to 20 minutes depending on the line and all mainer of access sometimes 100 to 120 feet from the entrance of the building. i think that that should be reverse engineered as a consultant on numerous matters and always said that the layers have to be reverse

engineered. you can't be allowed access into a common area in a closed building with a weapon. the founder should be the first -- the first layer when you come in. let's identify the individuals. >> yeah, i mean let me stop you there so we can drill down on that because that's what we were talking about just a moment ago. these sort of things revealed the vulnerabilities. and thank goodness it looks like in this case it was resolved. you know, without a terrible consequence, but it looks like he went through one or two layers before he finally hit -- and these are all preliminary reports. but what we know so far. before he finally hit a metal detector and at that point pulled out his weapon and started using it according to reports. you're saying that the metal detectors have to be taken much further out of the perimeter. is that right? >> 1,000%, melissa. and i've spoken to the directors of security in these areas. and this class a oftentimes some of them are landmark

buildings. i'm in them three or four times a week for different matters. but the point is a lot of times what i'll get unofficially is they don't want to have a line, wrap it around fifth avenue in the pouring rain, the freezing cold, the boiling heat. i say it's time that we toughen it up and we can't have them inside the air-conditioned lobby with a weapon in their waistband because we're concerned about the elements. stop them at the door. that's how we set up special events when we do with security. that's the only way we'll do it. i don't want potentially active shooters or individuals with weapons inside the closed area. i want them out on the street. out on the street and away from the primary entry point. and that may very well be the floor. because let's face it. if the writest minds in the world wrote the strictest gun laws conceivable. just say that happened. public mass murders would continue to occur. there's no stopping it. there's 400 million guns. and a percentage of them are in the hands of nuts and

criminals, and we can't get them all back. there's no magic wand we can wave. >> when you talking about being in a closed space like when he came in. he had a weapon, but he could have had something much worse. a pressure cooker-type bomb. that sort of things. it doesn't have to be a gun when you're trying to cause the maximum amount of destruction, you could bring many different things into that space and you're saying there needs to be a metal detector much further out. >> melissa, you hit it spot on. the first layer -- and i understand the whole layered -- the whole layered of security is dynamite. it works, and it works well. but it doesn't work in every application. it doesn't work in applications and this type of incidents where there's a closed structure. you've got to stop them at the gate. guess what? you're not allowed in. if you have too many keys on your ring, you get stopped. it's all according to how it's dialed in to an detection. >> pat, thank you so much. thank you so much for your insight. we always appreciate it.

thank you, david. >> by the way, any moment we may break away the capital police is -- has arranged a presser. they say it's going to happen in about three minutes. it may be delayed somewhat because of breaking events. in the meantime joining me is admiral james, former nato supreme ally at tucks university. admiral, thank you so much. we were going to be talking about this situation in europe. we didn't think it was going to be brought back home. but there is a relationship. and particularly the way that the europeans have been letting various individual suspects away. very often once they let these suspects go, the suspects turn around and commit acts of terror. a lot of people here are worried that laws of political correctness trump laws of security in europe. and that may filter its way back home to the united states. does that concern you? >> of course it does, david. and let's put another problem set on the table, which is europe.

imagine the united states with 50 states where in each state they spoke a different language. had 1,000 years of history. had a different culture, different set of laws, different set of standards, different judges, and then they had to deal with 10,000 jihad ease moving openly across all of these borders. so very challenging problem set for our european colleagues. >> jack keane, four star general who we use at fox news quite often was on earlier today saying the problem of europe they're treating acts of war as though they're criminal acts. and some people have criticized this -- our administration doing the same for calling a terrorist act workplace -- workplace criminal activity, et cetera. is that a problem? and here, thankfully, it didn't turn into a situation that was life-threatening. but it could have very easily. >> indeed. it is a problem. and what we need to do about it, which is really the important point, is to press

home exactly as general keene outlines, this is a war.you neeo biometrics. you need to do aggressive social network monitoring. you need to get after information sharing in an international way across inner poll boundaries. there are a lot of tools we have to deal with this. unfortunately, there are barriers to deploying them in europe. we need to guard ourselves here in the united states to be alert. having said all that, if this is indeed a loan wolf who is in a closed space, that's the toughest problem of all. >> yeah. it's a different situation. by the way, the press conference that was due to happen now by the capital police is going to happen at the half hour. that's about 16 minutes from now. you know, one of the problems, admiral, is that the various countries in europe weren't talking to each other. their law enforcement agencies, their intel agencies were not conversing. there were these walls like we used to have before 9/11 between the various intel

agencies. if they're not talking to each other, i guess they're not talking to us either; right? >> actually, david, we have better transatlantic cooperation than the individual countries in europe have together. and that's because our agencies have done a very good job because of the 9/11 experience and because that threat flew here from europe. so cia, nsa, nga, all of our three letter agencies have very robust individual pipes into europe. the united states in a certain sense is a nexus for all of this information. we're pretty good. we're not perfect. >> now, you used to be supreme commander of nato. a lot of people, including donald trump, are criticizing nato saying they are still focused on a cold war situation, which we are passed historically. that they have to totally retool themselves to attack terrorism in a concerted way. and in an organized way. do you agree? >> i don't agree. and i think the evidence is

pretty clear. if you look at what nato has done for the last 20 plus years since the. end of the cold war is afghanistan, iraq, syria, the libya. nato has been very engaged with all of those activities. they could spend more money on defense. i agree with mr. trump that the europeans need to spend a bit more. but, david, they're already spending $300 billion a year on defense. the european budget is larger than russia and china combined. so it ain't nothing. and i think when you put it together, nato's a pretty good package for us. >> admiral james, always a pleasure. former nato supreme allied commander. thank you very much. melissa. >> okay. so as we mentioned there's a press conference coming up where they're going to straighten up some of the details what happened at the capital shortly before 3:00 p.m. today when a gunman went into the capital visitor center. and magazin magnetometers

were set off, at that point two officers drew their weapons and they can't we don't know right now is how many people, if any additional, were injured. we've seen conflictive reports on that. and we are going to hear from capital police in a short time just minutes away to get more details. in the meantime i want to fill in what we know. with fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge who has been reporting on this from the beginning. kathryn, thank you for joining us. >> sure. of course. so let me just kind of walk you through how things unfolded over the last 70 minutes. just before 3:00 eastern, i got a call from a contact that i have in capitol hill who was down in the ford office building. for those familiar with the complex, this is one of the office buildings that's the furthers away from the capital. probably a pretty brisk 15-minute walk. they were going outside the building, and they were approached by the capital police who told them to go inside, to shelter in place,

and to stay away from the doors and also the windows. there was some initial confusion because there was a drill this morning. but my contact said police were acting as clearly it was not a drill and there was no advanced warning. usually there's something over the overhead saying there's a drill coming up. shortly after that there was an internal -- it's like a texting system within the capital giving people instant updates about what's happening. and shortly after 3:00 reported that there had been a shooting and the suspect was down. that was the language. and that there had been injuries from shrapnel. i'm not sure -- it's an interesting choice of words. we're not sure what that means yet. but we'll find it at the news conference at the bottom of the hour and that the shooting took place at the screening checkpoint at the visitor center. so this is like a security choke point if you will; right? this is the highest

concentration of individuals. and while congress is in recess, there are a lot of people on the hill right now because of the spring break. and there are a lot of people in washington because of the cherry blossom ves festival. so this is a very high traffic period through the tour site here in washington. what jumps out at me is how quickly this all sort of cycles through if you will. those officers in a high concentration of individual security would not be shooting to wound, they would be shooting to kill for obvious reasons. and within 70 minutes, they had closed down the entire capital complex, the white house, and now everything is open except for that scene of the shooting and some streets are blocked off. and i would tell you that even a decade ago or 12 years ago,

there was not that kind of system or procedure to be in place where it cycled through as quickly as it did and there was that kind of instant notification for the people on the hill. we -- the big question mark is who this individual is. and what their motivation is. law enforcement has said there's no initial evidence of any terrorism connection. but quite frankly, nobody knows really at that point until they've identified the individual. but they would be looking at this through this prism of terrorism because of what happened last week in brussels. and isis and al-qaeda have really been flooding the zone if you will with propaganda. i'm not saying it's connected at this point. i'm saying the box -- they've got to check either "yes" or "no"; right? >> right. even, katherine, even if he's mentally unstable or a madman, that doesn't mean he's not inspired by things he saw online to try and inspire hate

against america. whatever. they'll have to look into all of that. we have heard conflictive reports, and i know you said that someone was injured by shrapnel. and we've seen all kinds of different reports about how many different people were injured. what is your latest take on that? >> you know, i -- i'm really going with the data that's come from the capital police that's been sent to the staffers. and they had a report of a single person who was injured by shrapnel. again, i thought this was an interesting choice of words. i don't know if it's, like, a bullet fragment or it could have been, you know, something that was broken and became a projectile by the shots fired. but, again, when you think about the scenario sort of in your mind, you've got a very small sort of security checkpoint. a high concentration of people. and, again, my experience is that they would not be shooting to wound in a situation like that because there's so many individual

around. but i think we're going to get a much better sense at the news conference. the injuries involved and what they can tell us at this point about a shooter. the thing that i would just say from previous experience when we had incidents like this on the hill, one of the reasons they cord end off so many streets is they start looking for a vehicle; right? whether the person drove to near the capital complex and then took the final stages on foot because in previous cases, the vehicles have been really a wealth of immediate information; right? about the individual and their motivations. so that's kind of got my attention to looking at sort of the grid that's been blocked off around the capital at this point. >> and always in retrospect after these things happen, they look at what to change in order to make people safer going forward. and obviously like you said the response was very quickly quick. all over the whole capital and

i wonder you're familiar with this choke point where he set off the magnetometers and pulled the weapon and had the weapons pulled on him. had he had an explosive instead of a gun and when your goal is simply injure as many people as possible, which is what we've seen with terror. what they described in brussels they went for the line that was the longest, there were the most people at the airport to do the most damage, does that make you -- do you think they will rethink where to put in different magnetometers given where he was? >> uh-huh. well, the challenge in -- and i'm just speaking broadly here because we don't have a lot of information about beyond there was the incident right at that screening checkpoint. but the challenge is always how far out are you going to push the security perimeter? because however far you push it out, you create what i'll call a neutral choke point. >> right. >> but what i would say and this is certainly true with

the airports is that there's a lot of security, which is unseen, which goes to the issue of behavior detection, other elements. and i would be very surprised if we didn't have a second layer with that kind of sort of unseen policing if you will around the capital and some of these very high profile sites in washington because it's -- it makes a lot of sense. and if used in large crowd events -- i mean it's used a lot. i'm going to be interested to see whether we learn more about that. but your point is very well taken because at the end of the day it doesn't matter how far out you push the security perimeter, there's still going to be that soft spot at som at some point. but you try to push it as far you can with the least concentration individuals. >> you make a great point because they talk about in new york when we had various

parades and other things. you think there isn't a metal detector per se, but that there are people in the crowd who have different forms of detection that they're using as they go through the crowd to look for either chemicals or, you know, something that a magnetometer would pick up. thank you so much. i know you're going back to work now. david. >> we're toddle between katherine and chad who who know as a fox hill producer. chad is on the ground when anything is going on and one of the first people to realize we were approaching a lock down situation in the capital. he's on the ground now. chad, what's the latest? >> we're waiting for a press conference to start bertosa, brand new capitol police chief. just took the job on monday. he came up through the ranks. we're trying to piece some of this together. the most intriguing part of this entire scenario that happened

inside of the complex. this happened inside of the capital visitors center. this is pretty hardened place. keep in mind they put together the capitol visitors center after big shooting in 1998 that killed two capitol police officers and stepped up the efforts after 9/11 this. was to increase flow of visitors. you have a robust democracy. people coming to the capitol. that is what happens. you want to make it secure. the capitol building and capitol complex is dual-use. it is art and gallery and museum and it is place of work. there has been a lot of debate pushing the security perimeter out further. the former u.s. capitol police chief, sergeant-at-arms, argued that. you have across the street multiple senate office buildings where senators have office, multiple offices on other side of the street where house

members have their officers, as far as back as 1998 and recently 2008 when they opened visitors center, you want to come to the capitol, you show up at door. david: chad, before i get in the weeds a broad picture question. is it good news that the police, the capitol police were able to stop this shooter so quickly or is it bad news that the shooter got through the perimeters with a gun? >> it is probably very good news they got him so quickly. that is hardened location. you have multiple officers there. you have four or five lanes where you empty pockets and you walk through. you don't have to have an appointment. you're there for a tour. you don't have to have an appointment. you can wander around visitors center. that is good news they stopped him any further. bad news it went down inside of the building. david: are you surprised this guy or this person was able to get gun through even know softer perimeter, it is a perimeter.

it is supposed to stop guns, right? >> it stopped it from getting further. anybody works here on regular basis, one of the things that scares you, when you walk into the buildings there i will a little bit of a buffer zone. you can come in with any sort of detonator and weapon, and some people for years questioned wisdom of that. the trick -- david: presumably that might change after today, correct? >> that's the problem. there have been people who advocated that, security people on keep toll hill and people that push it back are members of the congress. we don't want to turn the capitol into a citadel. this is the peoples house. we have transaction of business. this is not the white house. not like the state department. we're you're representatives and when this issue comes up members of congress are unwilling to go there and live with a little potential danger. david: will this change now and after this incident after this incident and what we've seen in

europe? >> unclear, unclear. the former sergeant-at-arms, terry gainer pushed that for a long time. make the perimeter more secure and go in and out of campus and office buildings because you were checked further away. that would create an amazing choke point this is issue i talked to people about a few days ago in terms of traffic around the capitol. in fact i'm standing between the dirksen and russell senate office buildings on first street southeast,s that double line in it. this has been closed off 15 years. oklahoma city after mid 90s. you should be able to -- used to be able to drive through here. they closed that off. you can park your car if you're assigned here. they have change ad few things. this would be another level, one of the things they have to call into question, ingress and egress out of the capitol. david: they certainly changed a lot of things after 9/11, you used to be able to drive past

the white house on pennsylvania avenue. you can't anymore. they may have to make changes. chad, thank you very much. melissa. melissa: bill gavin former fbi assistant director. can i get your reaction and what is your first thought? >> i listened to catherine herridge, as always she is spot on analysis, you move the choke point a little further and create an insown and out of zone violation. the problem is other things can really be done. what i would add to catherine can say, why we don't want to talk about profiling but anathema to even think about it, but situational profiling we have to do. if we move the check point out a little further we can put trained people out there who do situational sis. what is this person doing? are they walking with their head down? acting like crazy people? all those kinds of things. that is one additional buffer

you can get before you get to the magnetometers. it is very dangerous situation. i'm sure when they first set the protocol up. they did all the analysis and said it will work best the way it is. bottom line they have to change that. melissa: bill, tell me how realistic a lot of those things are. i use new york, as an example i'm here every day, when we're told there is parade, all the events going on so public, huge crowds outside, where there is no single entry point to have people open bags and go through metal detector, there are people out in the crowd who you wouldn't notice or recognize, whether they have detectors that would let them know if there are chemicals present or whether they have magnetometers you're not seeing or whether they have just good eyes and ears, they're in the crowd and doing that kind of security you're not necessarily aware of, how big of a net can you throw with something like that?

i mean how much can you catch? >> melissa, you're right in that analysis but you can't have an infinite net. tough rely on you know, basically good people along the line. sounds like maybe he might have been unbalance ad little. you would have to see what kind of a weapon he had in order to determine what h for additional problems there were, but you're right, you have to have, i think the situational profile people are the ones that can really add something because they're trained up very, very well to be able to look at people as they come and go and spot-check it just on intuition, just on body language, those kind of things, what they wear and i think that may be something that will come to past although we don't like to profile. we're not profiling according to race, againer, ethnic origin. we're profiling for the situation. melissa: as citizen is out there walking around the thing you worry about most is the

situation, like the boston marathon, it is a lot of people out gathered in a crowd and they're not going through one specific choke point where you could check them. that instead they're gathered, now the focus from terrorists is not, or anyone who want to do damage is not a specific person but rather just hurting greatest number of people possible. it changes dynamic how you try to protect against that and whether or not you can, right? >> you're absolutely right and the paradigm of how you handle this is changing. we have to look what is going on in europe right now. melissa: right. >> why it is going on is probably totally different than this situation but why it is going on, how it is going, how we can fix that, how we can make it better. the united states has to be the leader out of whole thing, melissa, they really do, i don't see us on leadership basis doing that. intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies cooperate 100% with our foreign

counterintelligence people and people overseas but we need somebody named potus who takes command of the situation. melissa: getting back to this situation in particular before we spread too far out, catherine talked about now that he is in custody or in the hospital or whatever, we'll hear more details about that at this press conference on your screen getting ready to start, but one of the first things they will look for a vehicle he took to the location because that tends to be treasure trove of information. what would you be looking for in that vehicle? from there the next spot is the residence, right? >> the next spot would be the residence. i think everything will be done at the same time, melissa. what they will do, they will look at that vehicle, what is in there, does he have computer in there? does he have crazy writings. does he have literature not making any sense, what normal person would have. many times you go to house, one

whole room is done in tinfoil. that is some sort of a clue. the bottom line they look at everything at the same time. they will get to his friends, his relatives, to everybody to see what made this man tick. i suspect it was a man from reports. >> without question it really changes the story. we were live on the air during san bernanadino. originally as people looking people thought it was workplace violence and disgruntled employee, once they went back to the house it become something very, very different. it wasn't a room covered in tinfoil but rather people that were radicalized over internet or however they're still investigating but that is very important piece to the puzzle right now as you watch this, right? >> it absolutely is and the parameters they're looking at right now are all inclusive parameters. was he a little unbalanced? did he have some terrorist activity?

whatever might have caused him to do this. as they look at everything from the computers, from the house, from relatives, from interviews they start to close those parameters to arrive at some sort of a conclusion as what caused this whole thing. melissa: all right. thank you so much. we appreciate your time. david? david: we now have former u.s. ambassador to the united nations john bolton, also fox news contributor. ambassador i can't help but think of way they handle situations like this in europe particularly after terror strikes there, we see all these catch and releases among european authorities. i don't sense the same type of urgency over there as i do here. washington, d.c. was under lockdown situation. white house grounds were locked down. other federal buildings were locked down in systemic way i just don't sense happening in europe. do you get the same sense? >> exactly. as catherine herridge said a few minutes ago after 9/11 we began

to develop a better sense how to handle dangerous situations like this. this appears to be very contained today but all over washington people were prepared for other attacks or just being prepared for the unknown. that is simply not the case in most european countries where the danger, particularly of terrorist attacks but of these kind of incidents more broadly just hasn't sunk in. david: one of the problems in europe which as i mentioned before pointed out by general keane, jack keane earlier today on fox news they continue to approach the situation as a criminal investigation, or as a criminal matter of law enforcement rather than as a terrorist act. of course we know, we've been in that discussion before what the president says about these issues. are we, are the law enforcement agencies in d.c. or around the country committed to taking the

terrorist at specs of this situation seriously? >> i think they are because of the devastating experience of 9/11 in washington and new york but i think it is a big mistake for the american people to think you can fall into law enforcement paradigm against a terrorist threat. it is not equivalent of knocking over the local starbucks. this is people acting on basis of an ideology and determined to cause real harm across all of western civilization. that has definitely not sunk in in europe although tragically the attack at the brussels airport may make that point. david: former fbi official suggesting some form of profiling, as obnoxiouses might be to most americans in this situation, how do we deal with that. >> let's stress what they are profiling, looking for people likely to be terrorists based on activities it is perfectly permissible to monitor. if you manage the struggle against terrorism as a war, not a common law enforcement matter,

i think the need to take these kind of steps is it pretty obvious. it is not enough when innocent civilians are killed, to say we will bring perpetrator of the crime to justice. that should not be government policy the government policy should be stop attack before they occur. in real cases terrorism, whether magnetometers at capital, tsa screening at airport, that is the very last line of defense. god knows we hope they work. real first line of defense is where the terrorists are. if you prevent them from having privileged sanctuaries, if you prevent them from training and indoctrinating people and planning terrorist attacks much more likely to be safe over the long term. david: as we've seen, problem sometimes entire sections of cities over in europe have become sanctuaries where terrorists operate freely. "wall street journal" had a big piece on that, how the belgian

capital particularly suffered from this. are we any danger having a similar situation happen here? >> there should be concern about it where we've seen evidence that people are not being assimilated into the broader american culture. one fundamental difference between the united states and virtually all of europe is that our history is a history of the melting pot, of assimilating diverse people and making them into americans, e pluribus unum, out of many one. they don't have that historical experience in europe. david: is our experience in danger of fracturing because of political -- >> as used to be the case in new york city and having programs both to monitor potential terrorist at activity but work with the work with leaders opposed to terrorism just as overwhelming majority of american citizens are. when you dispense with that and say we're not even going to talk

about, i think you're leaving yourself, exposing yourself to the risk these terrorist cells can grow. david: ambassador john bolton, thank you very much. melissa? melissa: we want to bring you more breaking news right now. completely separate story. reports of miami-dade police they are evacuating a terminal at miami international airport. that, you're looking at live pictures of what is going on during this evacuation. if you have been to this airport you know what a maze it is. how many people go through this airport, coming in internationally, leaving, going to all parts of the country, other parts of florida. this is a very busy airport with a lot of different people coming from a lot of different spots. the thought of evacuating a entire terminal is a huge decision. puts a lot of people out. you can see right there, that is just a small portion and already, wow, not something that you want to be a part of. you don't know what happened to make them go this length of

evacuating people. we don't have any reports on that yet. all we know right now are reports that the terminal, one terminal, at miami international airport has been evacuated. courtesy of miami-dade police. we'll stay on top of this breaking news as we also follow the shooting at the capitol. david: by the way, it does appear they're right on the tarmac itself. melissa: right, yeah. a lot going on there. the second we know more about that we'll bring it to you. meantime we're still waiting for a press conference from capitol police where give us more of details which so far have been a bit conflicting. hopefully they straighten it out for us. that was supposed to start at 4: 30, 13 minutes ago. we have eye on that. we'll bring it second it happens. federal law enforcement force briefed on incident, tells fox news that the suspect of the incident that folded inside of capitol visitors center today is known to authorities and his

name is larry dawson. that is the reports we're getting right now. fox is told that the suspect is believed to be the same individual who was arrested following an outburst inside of the u.s. house chambers. that was back in october of 2015. so a known individual. joining us now to react to this, retired secret service agent dan emmett. he served under president clinton and president bush 41 and bush 43. dan, as we get this new information. this is your wheelhouse. what jumps out to you? >> well, first thing i think of, anytime there is a shooting in the proximity of the president, that it could be phase one of a multifaceted, coordinated attack, possibly the next round being directed towards the president. that doesn't seem to be the case in this particular instance however. but, that is the that is certainly is the concern of the secret service. melissa: and what about the other details that you've heard so far about what happened at

the actual choke point when he went through and metal detectors went off and pulled out his weapon and so did capitol police? we said that somebody was injured by shrapnel. sort of confusing language that we heard so far. waiting for clarity on that? what do you make of that? >> in this particular situation, when i hear the word shrapnel, the term shrapnel i don't think we're talking about in terms of fragmentation from an explosive device. sound more if one of the round that he fired or the capitol police fired may have struck something, creating debris, creating that flying projectiles that, you know, that is always a risk, when there is a shooting taking place, when a bullet hits something it creates a lot of debris in its wake. but, in terms of this individual and the buffer zones and so on, there is really only so much you can do in a free society f you're going to go the route of

north korea, cuba, the old soviet eastern bloc we could shut things down but that's not what we want here in america. so the law enforcement and intelligence communities hire in the united states, they have balance our freedoms with our security and it is a never ending problem and it is going to continue. melissa: dan, you're somebody who has been trained to psychologically profile people. what do you make of somebody who would come into the capitol as reports are we know them right now with a gun that is clearly going to set off a magnetometer as soon as it goes off, he draws his weapons, according to reports and is fired upon? catherine herridge made the point what would be normal in that situation is for capitol police around there to shoot to kill at that point. what do you make of somebody who this was their plan apparently? >> it sounds as if this individual is of record with the capitol police. he attempted to gain entry in the past and caused problems. when a person goes to a

magnetometer with a firearm, he knows that he is going to be detected. melissa: right. >> however this individual was hoping ohe wuld not be detected. that he could get inside and move on and do further damage than he did. knowing if he was detected, if he was challenged, then at that point he is going to draw and start firing. in terms of shoot to kill, in the world of law enforcement, law enforcement officers are not actually trained to shoot and kill. they are trained to fire center of mass to stop the individual they shot from doing actions which caused them to shoot in the beginning. you're never going to hear a police officer, say, yes, i shot to kill. you will hear him say i shot to stop the individual from doing what he was doing. melissa: at this point they would fan out and try to look for a vehicle on their way there to someone's home. what are clues you would be looking for there? what would they tell you? >> in this, in the case of this individual obviously the vehicle itself you'll be looking for

weapons. you're looking for literature as your fbi guest -- melissa: sorry to interrupt you but we have police approaching podium right now. we want to listen to what they have to say. thank you so much. >> every day thousands of people visit the united states capitol and member offices and over two million people a year are screened through the capitol visitors center. today at approximately 2:39 p.m. an adult male, subject entered the north screening facility of the capitol visitors center. during routine administrative screening the individual drew what appeared to be weapon and pointed it at officers. an officer fired and struck the suspect who was subsequently treated by medical personnel. the suspect was taken into custody and transported to the hospital for treatment. the suspect is currently undergoing surgery. his condition is unknown at this time. a weapon was recovered on the

scene. the congressional complex was locked down and usp ordered sheller in place. based on the initial investigation, at approximately 3:40 p.m. the lockdown was lifted and all buildings except for the cvc which remains processing for crime scene. suspect's vehicle has been located on capitol grounds and will be cleared of hazards, and seized pending service of a search warrant. an uninvolved 35 to 45-year-old female bistand letters suffered what appeared to be minor injuries and was transported to the hospital. no officers were injured. it has not been determined how many officers fired their weapons. the u.s. capitol police investigations division, the capitol police officer professional responsibility and

metropolitan police are conducting investigations into this matter. i stress that much of this information is still very preliminary. i want to stress that while this is preliminary, based on the initial investigation, we believe that this is an act of a single person who has frequented the capitol grounds before and there is no reason to believe that this is anything more than a criminal act. as additional information is gained i will provide as much as i can through our public information office. i want to assure the american and visiting public that the u.s. capitol police officers continue to protect the capitol and the cvc for all who visit. we expect regular order of business tomorrow morning at the capitol visitors center. so people can safely visit the united states capitol and their member offices. again this is preliminary information. as we get more information i will be happy to provide it

through our regular pio sources. >> chief is this suspect known to you, known to the capitol police? >> while we have not, i have not received confirmation about who the suspect is, we believe that the suspect is known to us. >> and how was he known to you, sir? >> through previous contacts. >> were there disruptions, sir? >> he disrupted house chamber last fall the gentleman from tennessee? >> i can't comment on that now. >> chief, have charges been filed? >> not at this point. >> chief there is not -- there is lot of talk about security in light of what happened in brussels, this check point at the cvc was designed to identify a threat before it could get into the capitol. did this work the way it was designed today? are you satisfied with the response? >> it appears the screening process prefers the way it is supposed to. again this is preliminary, i know you want as much information without possibly

give you, without confirming you things. i don't want to give you bad information. i will give you information when we confirm it. i will try to provide as much information as i can and can certainly get it out to the public. >> chief on the -- >> i want to thank you very much david: all right. that is the chief of the capitol police, not giving us much information but fox has determined that the shooter in the capitol visitor center was a man named larry dawson. he was not unknown to the capitol police. back in october of 2015, just this past october, he was arrested for shouting in the u.s. house chamber. making a nuisance of himself. he was shouting during open session. when he came in line, they spotted him, identify him as this person of interest, larry dawson. but he did which he hadn't done before, pull out a gun at which

point officers fired back at him. he is now in a hospital. his condition is unknown at present time. bill gavin, former fbi assistant director is back with us. bill, not only former assistant director you also had a stint in miami. we have a situation there unfolding as well. we'll ask you about that. based on what you heard is this case pretty much wrapped up? >> i think the chief is right on target here. releasing the kind of information that he can release, that he can verify and they're going about looking at what else has to be done in order to give the public more information. this individual, you know, we don't know what kind of a weapon it was. did he have a long barrel weapon? i suspect not. did he have a pistol. but as dan, your secret service agent advised you will shoot center mass. you will stop him from what he was intending to do. whether he passes away because of that or doesn't, that is a little different consequence. a shame to see that woman hurt

as well. david: it is. we don't know how you she was hurt or how badly she was hurt. some of the witnesses said they heard a full clip of rounds go off. subpoena that just a confusion in the moment or could that be, could that be possible and have so few people really seriously injured? david, as you well know almost anything is possible but i think a full clip will intimate it was all weapon that he had but by the same token you can hear all shots coming from him and at him from police and difficult from all the circumstances to hear what the noise stemmed from, whether it was clip or multiple shallers. david: let me ask you about miami. i don't know if we still have live feed from miami airport but it was kind after scary situation. there it is now. you don't see as many people on the ground. moments ago, right now all we

see are officers. you saw a lot of civilians on the tarmac itself as one of the terminals there was emptied. based on your experience working the fbi office down in miami, i can't imagine them putting people on the tarmac unless it was pretty serious concern? >> there is strong possibility, i think, david, if somebody, if they're boarding aircraft and or not boarding aircraft and they're at the gate, somebody left unattended bag that attracted some real suspicion, whether or not an animal hit on it, whether or not somebody saw them put it there and walk away, they will clear the area getting people to another neutral area as quickly as they possibly can. appears the neutral area was the tarmac outside of the boarding area. david: sounds like abundance ofcation, that phrase, abundance of caution is in play here? >> i think it probably was.

since the people were all gone, whether they carted them away in buses or another part of the field or back in the terminal having resolved issue, i don't know. david: bill gavin, thank you very much. former fbi assistant director. good to have you here, bill. melissa: joining us on the phone, john after fetterty, former -- raferty, i want to fill in details. we're seeing report that suspect had a handgun in his pocket or in his jacket. we know the car, the vehicle that was used to get to the capitol has been identified. and it was cleared of hazards. we talked about there were reports somebody being injured on the scene. we know that is 35 to 45-year-old woman who was injured at the time. that the suspect, who was injured and is in surgery according to latest report had frequented the ground before. he has caused a disruption. now let's go back to my guest. let me ask you, what do you make of new details we're hearing

right now? >> i think it is pretty standard procedure what we'll see. we'll see them do a complete workup on this individual, making sure there is nobody attached to individual that could be carrying out any other incidents like this. the biggest thing, where you found this gun, how did he get the gun? what was his mental state? what was his reason behind it coming to this location but just like the previous guest mentioned they will do a full workup on him, getting search warrant, going through his computers, going through his phone, finding out exactly what was his motive there. melissa: given the fact they knew who he was before, that he caused a disare up shun before, are you surprised he got up this close -- disruption? >> everything is figuring out a way to extend security perimeters. you want to extend security perimeters and have people go on with their daily lives. that is the thing. do you extend it block away is it effective if you do this?

at some point somebody will get through a security check point with some kind of a weapon. there is no what i to prevent it. melissa: john, the concern at point he could have done a lot more damage looking to get near a larger group of people. >> could have done it, there is nothing to stop them from taking

that gun out prior to get into the magnetometer. with the circumstances of how it is being released i wouldn't think that would be his primary objective. melissa: okay. all right. thank you so much, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. david: so just to recap what happened here, approximately 2:55 eastern time today, a man named larry dawson, as far as we can tell, he is from tennessee, entered into the capitol center, the capitol tourist center, pulled out a gun and police began shooting of the man is now in the hospital. he has been arrested. just minor injuries to people around him. we don't know the extent of his injuries. we do know he was known to authorities. last october he was arrested for stirring up a lot of trouble in the u.s. house itself. fortunately at that time as far as we know he was not armed but he was today and he was stopped before he could do a lot more damage. melissa: the car that he came in, they said they were looking for that. that has been identified, and it

has been cleared of hazards. we also heard trot chief of police there, there will be regular business tomorrow at the capitol. everything will be reopened as normal. david: "risk & reward" starts right now. >> we believe this is an act of a single person, who has frequented the capitol grounds before, and there is no reason to believe that this is anything more than a criminal act. >> that was the police press conference on keep toll hill after a suspected shooter entered the capitol visitors center in washington, d.c. he may be known to authorities already. this is "risk & reward." i'm deirdre bolton. there is no active threat to the public in d.c. our sources say the suspect was known to capitol police. he reached for his weapon. at least two capitol police officers working at the door of the visitors center drew their weapons, shot and wounding him.