if we don't start to retake our freedom soon, america is doomed. that's our show. see you next week. appreciate you watching every night at 6:00 p.m. we've been doing really well. it's the man after us. tom sullivan, in for lou dobbs. >> good evening, i'm tom sullivan in for lou dobbs. four days to go until a critical primary in wisconsin, but donald trump will not be heading back there until tomorrow. the "real clear politics poll"ing average shows trump could be in trouble in wisconsin, four points behind ted cruz, but trump is banking on the fact that independents can vote in wisconsin and could complicate things for senator ted cruz. the new "fox business poll" out shows trump is leading among independents in wisconsin, 37 to cruz's 26. among independents. governor john kasich could take

some of those voters from trump. without a doubt, wisconsin will be a key test whether trump managed to bounce back from a tough week in which he was forced to defend his campaign manager against battery allegations and, of course, the remarks that the donald himself made about abortion. listen to trump last night on bill o'reilly. >> this was a long convoluted subject, we talked about catholicism and his religion, and chris went back and forth about that. this was a very convoluted discussion, which frankly they don't run on television because it was too long. but just as i said it, and i must tell you this is the same -- my stance is the same stance as ronald reagan, and if, in fact, abortion was outlawed, the person befo performing thatt

is responsible, not the woman. >> the normally calm and collected hillary clinton, oh, my, getting cranky on the campaign trail. hillary captured on camera snapping at a woman who accused her of taking money from oil and gas lobbyists. we'll play that tape for you and discuss all the things politics regarding that with former presidential candidate and, of course, media mogul steve forbes. among my guests, the head of the trump campaign in arizona. jeff dewit will be with us. and president obama's moment of wrapping up a wide-ranging news conference following a summit on nuclear security. most of the questions were on policy but the president also managed to slam donald trump for suggesting south korea and japan should have nuclear weapons. >> what the statements you mentioned tell us, they us that the person who made the statements doesn't know much

about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the korean peninsula or the world generally. >> lieutenant colonel ralph peters will weigh in on that and much more. big show ahead. top story, the battle for wisconsin, anti-trump forces in the republican establishment are frantically trying to defeat donald trump in tuesday's wisconsin primary. the loss to ted cruz would increase a likelihood of a contested convention in july, but trump and his supporters, they're still confident he will reach the 1237 delegates needed to clinch the nomination. fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron has the report. >> reporter: thanks, tom. trump off the trail today while cruz and kasich were in pennsylvania. kasich slammed cruz as a counterproductive agitator. >> the problem with senator cruz is he has no record. his record is shutting down the government and making everybody

he works upset. what he's been for in the past hasn't worked. >> reporter: in wisconsin the latest "fox business network poll" has cruz up 10 over trump with kasich third. women backed cruz over trump by 19 points. among very conservative voters cruz leads by 36 and amped up attacks on trump's character yesterday. >> donald is pathological. donald cannot discuss the issues of the substance. there's no doubt that donald trump is the kim kardashian presidential candidate. he sits on twitter and makes a lot of numbers, but he has no solutions to fixing the problem. >> reporter: trump was in new york today taping interviews in returns to the trail in wisconsin tomorrow. at republican headquarters in washington he signaled privately yesterday he intends to keep his pledge to support the eventual nominee notwithstanding public assertion to break it because he says he's treated unfairly. breaking his pledge would cost him south carolina delegates

under that state's rules and the caucuses and primaries are run by states and territories which write their own rules for delegate selection not the rnc. whose chairman minced no records on the record last night. >> i'm not worried about the eventual nominee or the party. they've agreed to that by signing a data agreement they're not going to get the data and the tools of the rnc and run to be our nominee and tell me they're not going to support the party. it doesn't work that way. >> reporter: in an interview with chris wallace for fox news sunday, trump said he would endorse another nominee and couldn't rule out a third-party candidate. >> if you don't get the nomination? >> see how i was treated, very simple. >> reporter: cruz and kasich discuss a big wisconsin decides forum. trump will not be there. sarah palin is standing in. tom? >> thank you, carl cameron. on the democratic side, bernie

sanders dividing his time between wisconsin and new york. new york votes april 19. hillary clinton on the other hand has focused primary on new york state. but that doesn't mean she's getting a hometown welcome. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry has our report. >> reporter: hillary clinton was all smiles today as she unveiled a $10 billion manufacturing plant in central new york. decked out in an orange shirt and signing basketballs to cheerlead the syracuse university orangemen's trip to the final four. a sharp contrast from late yesterday when clinton was not so excited. she unloaded on bernie sanders and his campaign when a greenpeace activist pressed her about accepting campaign cash from 53 lobbyists for the oil and gas industries. >> i am so sick, i am so sick of the sanders campaign lying about me. sick. >> reporter: after clinton lost

her cool, her aides scramble to insist the democratic socialist had taken money from individual employees of oil and gas companies. though sanders campaign manager said clinton should know better. those were not lobbyists. >> she probably owes the senator an apology about that. the senator is not lying about her record, talking about her record, her practices, she obviously doesn't like it, that doesn't make it lying because you don't like it. >> reporter: clinton lashing out is a surprise and delegating the dominant game. there are cracks in her armor with sanders poised to take wisconsin according to polls and announced raising 44 million dollars in march, bringing his total to a staggering $109 million in the first three months of the year. more than 97% of it raised over the internet. and sanders is coming on strong in new york. last night he drew over 18,000 people to a rally in the bronx where, he stressed his brooklyn roots.

>> i am very proud they was born here in new york city. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: sanders spokesman michael briggs declared if sanders wants to discuss the fossil fuel industry she should say yes to the new york debate sanders issued a challenge over. tom? >> ed henry. thank you very much. the new yorkers, they love to cheer for him. new reports say fbi officials are likely to question hillary clinton about her e-mail scandal within the next few days. coming up quick. the pressure is enormous because as one government source tells fox in a case like this, you get one shot at the queen. attorney general loretta lynch, james comey are reportedly meeting frequently to discuss their progress and the handling of the high-profile case. e-mails released by the state department show clinton and t.a.'s used server to send

1,000 messages deemed classified. president obama's decision to unilaterally restore relations with cuba have a big effect here at home. homeland security department statistics show 17,000 cuban illegal immigrants reached the u.s. from october through december. that is nearly double the 9,000 in the same period in 2014. the exodus, the reason driven in part by cubans' fears they could lose privileges that currently allow them to stay inn soil. american workers received good news after a better-than-expected report on the labor market. the economy adding 215,000 jobs in march with the unemployment rate rising up to 5%. the unemployment uptick positive, shows more americans jumped back into the labor force. they're out there look for jobs. the number of americans working or actively looking for a job climbed to 63%. that's the participation rate,

the highest level in two years. hourly wages climbing up 2.3% from a year ago. that's good news. lots of good news. we're coming right back with much more, stay with us. ted cruz's latest swing at donald trump. cruz says trump is nothing more than reality tv fluff. >> no doubt that donald trump is the kim kardashian presidential candidate. >> as the campaign moves into an urgent phase with trump taking the delegate count, we take it up with steve forbes here next. and donald trump sure is right about this, take a look at these drug smugglers caught on tape on the u.s. border with mexico. these guys are all about to get a real shock. what happens nex

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week in my campaign. certainly i've had some weeks, where that was the end, and the next week you see poll numbers where they went up and everybody is shocked. so yeah, people want to stop me because i'm leading by a lot. tom: joining me forbes media chairman, editor in chief, steve forbes. steve, listen, how do you diagnose this. donald trump is right, every time he's had controversy, so far, we'll see how wisconsin reacts, but so far his poll numbers have gone up, not down. >> when he's trying to project is calm in the face of a storm that was largely self created. his numbers in wisconsin are not good. he underestimated the obstacles from talk radio and everything else. the party conservatives are united against him. so and then what he said on abortion, not so much what he said but the fact that he wasn't prepared with abortion answer ten months into a campaign was the real shocker

and that he go on with chris matthews in a town hall, that was another thing that has you scratching your head. what he said about japan and korea is another one. he's doing damage control, and wisconsin will be a setback, i think he'll lose the state and the question is how will he do in new york? tom: yeah, that's two weeks after wisconsin, plenty of time for fumbles and stumbles and everything else. >> absolutely. tom: the way i look at this, though, we're all watching him stumble and fumble his way through this, and people seem to support him through the one so far, and it seems like it doesn't matter what he says, people are upset, and they want somebody who's upset, and it doesn't matter what his policy positions or what he knows or doesn't know, just want somebody who's going to go in there and shake up washington? >> he's got a good core of support, 30% are going to stick with him through thick and thin.

that's a huge advantage. this is the stage of the campaign where you have to broaden your base if you win the nomination and have something resembling the united party. that is the shock ther week. the opposite direction, numbers went up, not down. he can come back after he loses in wisconsin, but he's going to have to show he's taking seriously foreign policy. he's going to have to do substantive speeches on that, and on the other side, ted cruz, if he wants to build his victory in wisconsin, he's got to lead with things like the flat tax because in a state like new york, does not take initially kindly to a ted cruz. he's got to put himself aside and have the message that will carry him through new york. tom: yeah, and has the negative comments about new york values that will be played on ads as well. you're a longtime new yorker, so is donald trump. do you know the man? >> i've known him for 30 years, when he broke on the scene. tom: what do you think of him? >> he is what you see. a formidable entrepreneur.

when he's knocked down in the early 90s, he came back despite formidable odds. we know the scathe rink in central park where the city fumbled for a decade. he did it under budget. he's got assets there and has defied all expectations up to now. but this is where you see it in business, you city in politics, because you've been successful, you feel you know what you're doing. as my father said, he's got to change his game or up his game. go beyond what he's done so far and take it to the next phase. that's a tough thing to do. wisconsin is a tough wake-up call. tom: steve forbes, you ran for president, you're a businessman, do you think maybe being a businessman isn't the criteria? how important has being a business guy.

>> he can point to buildings, buildings don't happen by themselves. the golf courses don't happen by themselves. you have to build them. he was a known national figure. people have seen him every week on television, firing people that never worked for him. conveying this authority can you turn to. so we had the advantages and exploited them very, very brilliantly, but the question now is can he take it to the next phase? i think wisconsin's loss for him. the question is what will he do after wisconsin? what will ted cruz do after wisconsin? both have to change their games. tom: stick around, the next two weeks are interesting. >> very interesting. already interesting year. tom: steve, you are always interesting, so good to see you. >> thank you, tom. tom: you bet. be sure to vote in tonight's poll --

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fangs in a position to beat a laborrer and shows an american flag upside down. the mural has been there since 1999. a long time. students are calling for it to be removed. school officials have no intention of paints over it saying the artwork is protected by free speech. up next, the head of the trump campaign in arizona is not worried about wisconsin. >> we've seen the cruz campaign put all the resources in one state to show they've won something and lose the next five to seven, and so whatever happens in wisconsin, if you looked at map past this, we're going to do very well and mr. trump is going to have some big wins right after that. tom: jeff dewit joins us right after this break. stay with us.

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. tom: ted cruz focusing on leading donald trump in critical upcoming primaries. ted cruz speaking at the

pennsylvania leadership conference. >> two polls in a row have come out showing us leading in wisconsin by ten points. a report came out of the state of colorado, shows us leading donald trump by 23 points. just yesterday, the political prediction site predicted our campaign is likely to win the primary in the state of california. tom: well, ted cruz also stated that nominating trump would lead to, quote, a mondale-level bloodbath. mondale, a little history here, he lost 49 states in the 1984 election to ronald reagan. joining me arizona state treasurer and the head of the trump campaign in arizona, jeff dewit. jeff, what do you make of -- did you just hear ted cruz and the comments there about the fact he's going to win colorado, he's going to win california, he's going to win wisconsin? what do your polls show?

>> we have very different -- well, every poll i've seen, i've never seen a poll he leads in california. the last poll showed mr. trump at 37 and ted cruz at 30. keep in mind, california is the state that elected a movie actor to be the governor twice, actually, ronald reagan and then arnold schwarzenegger. i think that's going to play in our favor, the celebrity status that donald trump brings to the race. i do agree with mr. cruz that it will be a mondale-like defeat for hillary clinton if donald trump is the nominee. that's exactly what we're going to see. donald trump is the closest thing to a ronald reagan-type movement that we've had, and i see big things happening, if he is the nominee. tom: i don't know a chance to check but the rnc website was updated today, and they have a whole new page on the convention rules, and it looks very much like they're trying to basically say, hey, these are the rules that we're

going to play by in july, so you might want to pay attention to these. what do you make of that? >> well, there are a lot of people gearing up for a contested convention. i've been working the delegate game here in arizona and see it on the ground. ted cruz has massive resources deployed here and elsewhere to try to steal the delegates. the disappointing thing for me is they're not really getting pro-cruz delegates, they're getting anti-trump delegates and using the sales pitch that they want them ready for a contested convention, but the problem with that is most of the delegates if trump does get the 1237. he's on track for 1400. this is easy to do. they're not going to show up. that's a big, big black eye for the republican party and wasted opportunity to bring more people into the party, where it ted cruz is successful in getting the anti-trump delegates to the party, they're not going to pay 3,000 to 5,000 each to get ted cruz nominated

if cruz falls short. tom: can you give me a 30-second lesson how you steal the delegate or the delegates can be changed? i hear that commonly. i don't know how it works. you can explain? >> in arizona, we're expecting 1200 state delegates who go to the state convention april 30th. they then vote for the 110. we have 58 delegates -- tom: back to your point in arizona, trying steal delegates on the state. does someone knock on the door and say will you be a delegate for me. how does it work? >> yeah, they have a massive phone banking operation, find people who are anti-trump. we have 40 meetings to pick the state delegates and getting the anti-trump people elected and if they get 601 out of the 1200 votes, they'll get an anti-trump cruz slate through so the votes will be anti-trump. tom: we'll have to have you back for the advanced course.

that's a good start. jeff dewit, state treasurer of arizona. donald trump is trying to clear up abortion comment that caused a firestorm of controversy. how will this affect his upcoming primary elections? we asked elizabeth harrington

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. tom: donald trump defending his controversial comments on abortion this week.

this is from trump's upcoming interview on cbs face the nation coming up on sunday. >> i was asked as a hypothetical. hypothetically. hypothetically, the laws are set now on abortion, and that's the way they're going to remain. at this moment the laws are set, and we have to leave it that way. tom: joining me staff writer for the washington free beacon elizabeth harrington and washington times columnist and fox news contributor tammy bruce. tammy, since i'm surrounded by ladies in this segment. >> poor you. tom: what do you make of the business he's hurt himself with women? >> his mistake he did answer an hypothetical. this is a mistake of his lack of experience. you don't answer hypotheticals especially with social issues that are set like abortion. my contention is, and i'm not on the trump train, i'm an independent conservative but the reality is that in all the exit polls for the republican

dynamic, the, that matter are national security, jobs and the economy, and those are important to you, trump is the one you like best. this will carry through. women know that abortion is done. gay marriage is done. i consider these boutique issues, the others are existential. mr. trump is the strongest. ted cruz has to begin to convince people he's the one people can turn to on the dynamics. >> elizabeth, check in with you, what do you make of the word about the fact that women are going to be against him, and you heard tammy saying national security, jobs and the economy. what is it for women? >> right, well, i do think tammy is correct. single voters going to the poll aren't likely to vote for trump anyway. what i think will be interesting to see if the bast two couple weeks trump has had, if it will have effect against

him. we've seen throughout the campaign, he can say whatever he wants and doesn't hurt him. there are some signs, however, that in wisconsin, the gop voters there have been a little turned off, and we see that in the polls with ted cruz rising. tom: how much does this hurt, though? every candidate has -- every election i can remember every candidate has stumbles, tammy? >> look, most people expected this to go from a revolutionary candidacy to a regular route anized presidential candidacy. it wasn't necessarily just a fun game, that this is really the guy. and they like the strength, absolutely. that's key. now they might see things that have an impact on the nature of decision-making. how you apply that strength and people are getting serious. so they're seeing this not as being a bad moment or a few gaffes, but his nature, and this is his issue. i also now don't believe he'll

shift away into some kind of other demeanor, otherwise we would have seen it by now. as a woman that concerns mesa americans. in general, that should concern them, i think. tom: elizabeth with, all the news about the money and the groups and the establishment coming out on anti-trump matters. does that backlash to where people say i don't really care one way or the other or too much. if i'm against him i'm for him? >> right, well, i think this anti-trump campaign is -- and the strategy right now really is cruz and kasich being spoiler to prevent him from getting the delegates and having a contested convention to get another person in there. that would really have bad backlash where people aren't necessarily supporting trump yet because people will say he's wing. if he has a big lead, come to the big convention in july. they'll say, hey, he won, give it to him.

they don't like the tendency by the so-called establishment types to choose the nominee, and i think there would be tremendous backlash. >> if i could just add, it would be a big mistake, i've said it on this very program to misjudge the mood of the people. the mood is based on yes the rejection of the so-called establishment. if their answer is to make moot everybody's efforts for the last year to dismiss the votes, to eradicate the dynamic of what matters to the american people, that alone will reinforce the reason why they want to get rid of the establishment candidates. >> none of us have seen this where a party, any party, democrats, republicans, take on any candidates, leading or not. it's pretty amazing, but we just heard from the state treasurer in arizona, they go out and they're trying to recruit certain delegates and the delegates make the decision, not you and me, unfortunately. >> right, i think that's really dangerous.

either way, you have kind of problems that trump has presented, right? you have people within the republican party saying they will never support him, but he has a big strong base of support as well, and if you try to take it away from him, if he's winning, fair and square come july, it remains to be seen. but that will be a huge problem and the same on the democratic side. have you all of this enthusiasm for bernie, but then they have the superdelegates. tom: talk about rigging the vote. elizabeth harrington, tammy bruce, thank you very much both of you. appreciate you coming on. be sure to vote in tonight's poll -- . and the coast guard is investigating a very scary incident in san diego. tourists had to scramble to get out of the way after a whale watching ship failed to stop in

time. yep. whammo! the boat smacked into the pier sea wall. the ship caused significant damage to the busy walkway, and i should say fortunately none of the injuries were severe but people were hurt. what a pretty boat to damage. up next, donald trump urges restructuring of nato. >> i was right as to nato because we're paying a disproportionate share of nato, and nato is largely obsolete and it's got to be restructured and changed and other countries have to pay some of the bills. i don't want to disband nato but i don't want to pay for a vast majority of the cost of nato either. tom: lieutenant colonel ralph peters takes that up and more. stay with us. when you think about success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves?

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. tom: president obama today wrapping up a two-day nuclear summit, taking the opportunity to tout the deal with iran as a model for nuclear diplomacy. >> this deal has achieved a substantial success and focused on the dangers of nuclear proliferation in an effective way. thanks to this deal, we have seen real progress. tom: iran has only intensified testing of ballistic missiles

since the deal was implemented. earlier this week, iran's supreme leaders is the nation leads less negotiation and more missiles. joining me fox news strategic analyst lieutenant colonel ralph peters. i heard donald trump talking about the fact that the president is ignoring isis, isis is the problem today, nuclear strategies later. what's your reaction to that type of comment? >> well, the president's comments on iran are what he's got to stick to. that's one of the last shreds of the legacy he imagined for himself. but with the iran deal, the president didn't just celt farm, he gave it away, and the iranians won't let him back on the property. it's sad. iranian scientists are working in north korea with the north koreans helping them and the north koreans are helping the iranians. iran is ramp aging across the middle east it.

humiliated our sailors and the administration did nothing. it's becoming the dominant hegemon and the president pats himself on the back. tom: at the press conference, he went through a list of countries and said we removed all this nuclear material. later on he went to talk about the arsenals that are growing. i'm not sure what the net net is on all of this. one of the countries where they removed nuclear material and we can breathe a sigh of relief was libya. and i'm thinking to myself, libya? how do you even know what's going on in libya? >> well, we really don't. it's such an absolute mess. thank you, mrs. clinton. another country he mentioned which is ukraine. all nuclear material has been removed from ukraine. and the ukrainians rue the day, right after the breakup of the

soviet union, we guaranteed the ukrainians that if they gave up all nuclear arms, we would protect them. well, that's worked out well for the ukrainians. this whole nuclear summit this week, it's nice to talk it out, it's like one of the walks for a cause, that brings attention to the matter. but all these developments for which the president took credit, he sounds as if he did it himself. he didn't. these are international efforts with a lot of players trying to make the world a safer place, and i'm glad that obama played his part, but he didn't -- as he said about american business, he didn't build it himself. tom: yeah, it was interesting to see because they have the big class photo there, and there were shenanigans going on. one of the things i noticed was the president of ukraine was standing right behind president obama. i can't help but wonder what kind of private conversations they had about, hey, are you

going to help us or aren't you? to your point, we had an agreement, you said you would. >> we just blew it off entirely. and president poroshenko of ukraine is in a difficult position, he can't fight with obama, he needs any support he can get. and we give him precious little support. it's just terribly sad, but again, this conference, it was a victory lap for obama's failed policies. one of those really bizarre things he's doing. but for the next nine or ten months, president obama is going to coast. he's going to take more victory lapse like victory lap to cuba, and the world is not going to hold still. islamic state isn't holding still. vladimir putin isn't holding still. the chinese aren't holding still, the iranians aren't holding still. when i was in the wake of vietnam. we had a phrase for the tired out nco's and officers were burned out.

retired on active duty. our president is retired on active duty. tom: yeah, yeah. there was another comment i've got ask you about. he said our stockpiles are the lowest in six decades and that he's extremely proud of that. your reaction. >> should be ashamed. terrible, terrible, terrible, that's what i get hot about. going back to being a young soldier in germany. we were outnumbered 4-1. we were glad there was a nuclear arsenal at our back. the only thing that kept the peace was our potent nuclear arsenal. the russians weren't mad men as the north koreans are, to accept the fact that nuclear weapons kept the peace after hiroshima and nagasaki, nuclear hands and irrational powers. the idea of getting down to zero nukes.

you want world war iii, a real one, not fights in the desert, a real one with russia and china involved. you want that? you get rid of nuclear stockpiles. we need new missiles and we -- this president has been terribly destructive of our national defense. do i sound excited? tom: i've got to cut, but i got to cut you short a little bit, only because of time. always enjoy talking to you, lieutenant colonel ralph peters, thank you so much. >> you bet. tom: the dow gang 108 points. the s&p up 13. nasdaq up 45. volume 3.7 billion shares, not bad. for the week, the dow and the s&p up 1.5%. nasdaq with weekly gains of nearly 3%, and remember to listen to lou's radio reports three times a day coast-to-coast on the salem radio network.

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tom: more evidence the republican establishment may attempt to force a contested convention to block donald trump to keep him from securing the nomination. listen to karl rove's thoughts on securing a quote fresh face. >> donald trump excites a lot of enthusiasm but he also excites a

lot of anger and a fresh face might be the thing to give us a chance to turn this around and win in november against hillary. tom: on the democratic side, hillary clinton snapped. losing her cool when confronted by a greenpeace activist at a rally in new york. clinton blamed the sanders campaign about lying about her. >> i have money from people who work for fossil fuel companies. i'm so sick of the sanders campaign lying about this. i'm sick of it. tom: joining me now from phoenix, arizona, is steve sanchez, nationally syndicated radio host. hillary has the finger going. >> hillary has a track record of losing it.

i wouldn't want hillary as a grandmother. she is pretty scary. she doesn't relate with the people. she doesn't want to answer questions unless they are discussed. this is someone that wants to be the commander in chief and she can't answer a simple question. >> to her credit she admitted she is not a very good candidate. she doesn't have the political chops that her husband has. and that shows up from time to time. let's get on to the trump campaign. he's behind in wisconsin according to the polls. he's ahead in new york. where do you see this going? i think the next couple weeks will be critical. >> the next couple weeks are absolutely critical. you have got establishment governor scott walker endorsing ted cruz. speaker ryan from wisconsin, another establishment guy.

it's clear wisconsin is going to tilt toward ted cruz because he's the republican darling because they want to derail trump. it's sad, but that's what's happening. i don't think it will stop the momentum. new york state is coming and other states are coming and trump is way ahead and he will stay that way unless there is dirty pool from the establishment. tom: you hear the news about the fact that the radio talk show hosts in wisconsin are anti-trump and against trump. i'm going i don't know how many talk show hosts are in wisconsin. but there are a couple who have been profiled and they are anti-trump. that's okay. my theory on talk radio. you and i are information and entertainment. but i'm so sure we change people's mind. i'm not sure we are all that influential. do you think so? >> i think we are. look at someone like rush

limbaugh. he changes the conversation. sean hannity. i think you and i change the conversation. we have lots of listeners and social media followers. i believe our intellect and ideas and endorsements go a long way in terms of swaying someone i'm not a journalist, i'm a commentator. so i'll openly endorse who i feel is better for america. obviously the polls, the states he has won have proved that. tom: we may agree to disagree. we are influential. i just always thought of the fact that you bring up a point, let people think about it. we'll see what wisconsin does. you have got your job done in arizona. but steve sanchez, thank you so much. i appreciate you coming on the program. if our online follow, 97% of you

say mayor case ready for a leader who talks straight and doesn't sounds like a lawyer. overwhelming. that's it for us tonight. thanks for joining us. spina i know it's hard not to interrupt. >> are you disappointed by the likely republican and democratic nominees? >> what difference at this point is a may? john: we have heard so much from the republicans and democrats. now it's time to hear from the libertarians. the three toppling presidential candidate debate here tonight. in our two-part libertarian presidential forum. and now, john stossel. [applause]