ashley: on time on budget, are you watching california and the speed train? $12 billion, 17 years to build. >> your interview with jack nicholas. stuart: how can you fair with jack nicholas. thanks, everybody. connell mcshane in for neil, take it. connell: democrats talking up the economy but i things really looking up. i am connell mcshane in for the next couple hours on neil cavuto coast-to-coast, the tao struggling to maintain, we had some encouraging factories, the market came off of slows on that but signs of weakness weighing on investors minds. president obama is going to an event in indiana to talk about how democrats have improved the economy the something the white house says mitch mcconnell can't deny. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who recently has taken to the trail to hock a book is

acknowledging that the american people are better off than we were seven years ago. even he understands we made important progress. connell: the senate majority leader is here, mitch mcconnell is here to talk about his book called the long game. should have a nice long talk about that. interesting to hear the white house 8 you as almost a source. >> don't know where they got that. i have been saying the opposite. the middle-class is shrinking, the worst recovery after a deep recession since world war ii. the number of people on food stamps is at a record level. the labor participation rate is where it was under the carter administration. i don't recall saying anything optimistic. connell: maybe we are better than we were at the depth of the

recession. >> it was convenient for the white house. another way of looking at it is how does this compare to other deep recessions? the worst recovery after a deep recession, the pattern frequently always has been the deeper the recession the quicker the downside. deep recession, slow bounce back, americans average 4% growth rate throughout its history. a single 2:45% growth rate. connell: what is the biggest problem? does congress deserve some blame along with the white house? >> no because this is about the regulatory regime that has been descending on the country. some of it is the result of legislation passed the first two years, the president had total control of congress, trade over stimulus, obamacare and dodd-frank but once he lost control of congress it has been on the regulatory side, you see the epa, name the agency,

everyone has been on a regulatory rampage that clogged up our system. another way to look at it is the administration put their foot on the brake, they need to take their foot off the brake and put it on the accelerator to get the country moving again. connell: donald trump is the republican nominee for president, you endorsed him, the policies he put forward, are those the policies the do what you talk about? >> some of them. i don't agree on everything but -- hillary clinton will be a third term for barack obama. connell: what about trump? >> simply went into the oval office after getting sworn in, executive orders and regulatory pronouncements. it is a step in the right direction. connell: you said your self you don't like everything about him. why don't you endorsed donald trump or pool a paul ryan?

>> this is a choice. we have two nominees with disapproval ratings, hillary clinton is going to be the democratic nominee, donald from the republican nominee, you may fantasize about somebody else, you may have supported somebody else in the primary but this is the choice. connell: there is a third party alternative. >> that will not succeed and only elect the on that was i would not want on my conscious as a conservative leader that i did anything that made it more likely we would have four more years just like the last eight. connell: talking about bill kristol? >> bill is a smart guy but making a mistake because the choice is the choice. this is what we have. most voters are not wild about these, one of them will be president of the united states. hillary will have the same approach we have seen the last

eight years. if you want the best argument i got two words for you, supreme court. connell: that is what it comes down to. >> the next president will make this decision. i made the decision, colleagues agree with it that we won't let barack obama build this legacy on the way out the door. the american people speak first and then we will decide who to make this appointment. connell: this is a backwards way about decisions, i want to talk about it, but decision you made a long time ago in 1964 to those in your book, to finish up this conversation on the third-party, bill kristol mentioned apparently it has been reported, david french, the writer, no chance? >> no chance. connell: doesn't even, why bother? >> we have a choice. whether we are excited about the choice or not. connell: i was surprised by a few things in your book. we didn't know a lot about you

as a person. we know about you as a public figure, you have been in the public eye for a long time, the senate since 84, the majority leader the last few years so you are one of the more powerful politicians in the country but didn't seem we knew a lot about you personally. we could talk a little bit about that but to tie everything we were talking about together, 1964, you were a big supporter of barry goldwater which makes sense to a lot of people who follow american politics that a conservative leader would have supported barry goldwater. but you didn't vote for him. >> i didn't. i had invited him, i think he came for other reasons but i was a student -- i invited him to come to the university of louisville, he did. i got to introduce him so i was an enthusiastic goldwater supporter but deeply deeply disappointed in his decision to oppose the civil rights bill of 1964 so i ended up casting a vote i subsequently regretted against goldwater.

and i felt badly about it forever afterwards because most of what i liked about goldwater was important. i thought it to find the republican party incorrectly. hard to believe today but a higher percentage of republicans in the house and senate voted for the civil rights bill of 1964 than democrats. every republican leader was a leader in bringing that about and so it defined my party is hostile to a very significant percentage of americans who were in a very tough situation as a result of segregation. connell: a long-lasting mark and a change in the republican party and some are making comparisons not directly but in the way the party could change now with donald trump this could be another turning point for the republican party. >> i don't think trump will change what republicans believe,

we are america's right of center party. it doesn't change my view and most of my colleagues you about what the country ought to do but i would rather have donald trump make the next supreme court appointment. he put out a list of people all of whom i thought would have been outstanding. i think he will have to operate in a right of center world and within the constraints of the constitution and the other things that restrict all of our abilities to do what we want to do. connell: did that experience, that goldwater experience shape or change the way you think about modern-day politics and affect the way you think about this race? >> that was a unique issue. i don't see this -- as defining as that was. and to deal with that mistake we made at the outset of the country it was a defining moment and goldwater was on the wrong side of history. connell: people read your book and in the beginning defining

moments for you, one of them happened when you were a toddler. >> had polio when i was 2 years old, my dad was in europe fighting the germans. connell: 10 years before the vaccine. >> my mother was struggling with the come back, polio has been eradicated today but what would happen is a flulike episode and it went away, there you could be anything from dead to completely recovered or various forms affected by left quadriceps, the area between the knee and the hip. and it was a treatment ctr. president up for polio victims. she really watched me like a hawk for two years and administered this, first memory in life, and said to my mother,

and walk without a brace or a limb. connell: that is the first you remember? >> first memory of life but an early lesson, i was 4. the episode was from 2 to 4. it was a defining moment for me. we have these things that occurs was early in life that are significant down the road, work hard and keep at it and a chance, and barriers between all of us. connell: went into shaping who you were. you wanted to be a senator for a long time which i thought was interesting as well, you planted and plotted it and took positions that would set you up for it from the time you were in your 20s, as a professional baseball player. >> after coming up a

bases-loaded homerun in an all-star game i decided i better go in a different direction, picked a different competition and run for president of the student council in high school and having a successful campaign and one thing led to another and i found myself in washington as an intern to a senator when the civil rights filibuster was broken, maybe someday i might pull this off myself. connell: one thing didn't lead to another. you had it in your head. >> never did anything on the spur of the moment. this is an instant gratification era we are in, overnight sensations pop up over time. for me and never worked that way. i was always a little bit skeptical about simple answers to complex solutions are thinking you could start late and succeed. i was always a planner. for me it worked. i think it works for most people. connell: i would think as senate

majority leader of the united states as people would say that works. good luck with the book, it is a different side of you that people don't know about. >> appreciate the opportunity to be here. connell: senator mitch mcconnell, the long game. hillary clinton, whether it is a long or short game fighting for the state of california. another big story today getting set for a big foreign policy speech she will make out there, that will be tomorrow, longtime clinton confident lanny davis is next on what we can expect and later in the show we have the libertarian ticket, two of them, here in studio on where we go from here, that is coming up, keep it here.

connell: back on cavuto

coast-to-coast, two stocks that are looking lower, the athletic gear category, under armour is down, stock, the company had week revenue guidance, stock is down 9%, nike falling with it. both of those are down. this story combines the world of business and politics, convention cash, not just the candidates that are fighting for donations, hewlett-packard has reportedly joined with other big companies in stopping or cutting back on donations to the republican convention this summer. proactive to medications president mark serrano joins us with what is behind this. it is not the only company doing it but it is unique to the republicans as opposed to the democrats, trump rather than hillary clinton, these companies don't want to support him and the party at the convention. what do you make of it? >> a big mistake for a publicly traded company not to pick the

democrats over the republicans because donald trump wins this fall, they are not going to be properly positioned come next year. if they are going to make a change they should abandon both conventions. that is what i would advise them. they are falling prey to pressure from leftist organizations, one called color of change which was founded with george soros money and dan jones from the obama administration. coming to this pressure is a big mistake, publicly traded company should give like they always have to the republican convention and the democrat convention. stuart: connell: makes an interesting hypothetical. if you think about it the pressure is coming from groups that they race relations or something they care about, immigration, they are uncomfortable with trump. get a company like microsoft that says we are not going to give to the republicans but we are going to continue to give to the democrats in philadelphia. you would advise them to take away from both. say the first part, forget your political beliefs, it wasn't

even trump, someone did something so outlandish you couldn't support them and whatever trump has done but someone comes out and did something terrible, is that the right thing to do? you pull back, punishing one because of what the other did? >> it is a slippery slope, take a look at these companies, multinational corporations, what are their interests? what are countries that are doing business, perhaps discriminate against women? that is interesting. >> what is interesting about hp in this case they won't give any cash contributions on the republican convention, last time in 2012, gave $150 cash but gave $400, computers and printers and other things and maybe having it both ways, they may be getting income contributions. connell: you see the numbers, gave 660 last time and 75 grand this time. good to see you, mark serrano.

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connell: we talk about the republicans, the white house is facing more business\. the chamber of commerce it to challenge the administration retirement rules, a lawsuit expected as early as today on that. these rules require retirement brokers to act in the best interests of the client which sounds good but creates some issues. john layfield, what issues does it create? it is important for people with iras that they know about these. what issues does it create for

you? >> you are right the one thing you said, it sounds good on the surface but i walked for wall street for a number of years, you put your clients first by law. you can straight your own account, can't trade in your own interests. those rules are already there. what this is going to do is if you have a broker that sells your mutual fund and he gets a fee from the that, if you start taking that away you lose your middle class and lower income without going to financial advisors anymore but say the mutual fund goes down in price, this opens up to a class-action lawsuit for that broker, this is like going after the street-level vendor for selling coca-cola, he didn't give himself that bonus, the mutual fund company does it, this is backwards to the way the administration is doing it. connell: is the solution searching for a problem? people try these retirement accounts, are they in some cases, they are not doing a

thing to pump up some product you don't know about and i want to know about that if i am the person in question? >> this is the tale wagging the dog here. more importantly the mutual funds, exotic vacations, and need to go after the mutual fund companies that is allowable, don't allow this to the be the broker, going at the top. dodd-frank, you thought you fixed something but you didn't. you take financial advisors out of the market. connell: is there a fix that needs to be put in place? >> the fact you have to put your customer first is already there. you are doing more regulation on

regulation, the mutual funds put a set fee, john vogel in 1975 for the etf, they hated him but it was low fees into a great product, you needed cyclical fees to prevent mutual fund from buying off brokers and selling their products. connell: always good to see you, john layfield. the breaking news on the bottom of the screen with regard to the egypt air flight. you might have heard there was a signal detected in the mediterranean. we heard from a french company that signal is from the flight recorder. one of the black boxes, the flight recorder of the crashed egypt airplane. they were looking for deepwater divers to come in and look for what the signal was as if we get any more information we will throughout the day, we will pass it along. amazon hitting a new lifetime high, the fifth record high of the year for amazon, some run up to $700 plus.

we will talk about the ceo jeff bezos. he said something about the future, forget the stock, raising a lot of eyebrows, the future of technology and what is ahead and what type of things we will be using. jeff bezos's comment on amazon, coming up.

connell: back on cavuto

coast-to-coast talking politics, sheldon is a big time moneyman in the republican party. there are reports about setting up a pro trump super pac which might be big. charlie gasparino has been all over this type of thing and put in the past confusion and republican donors on how they can fund trump and he joins us now. >> i ran here for you. i ran here. connell: i said get a handkerchief. >> two people i run for, you and cavuto. connell: fair and balanced, irish and italian. the only disappointment internally yesterday was there was no name-calling towards you. charles: he didn't call me a sleazeball. he looked the other way, looked the other way when my producer, he didn't pick my producer,

brian schwartz. one of the problems donald has against the clinton machine, one of these drawbacks, may be 10 billion but he is not liquid 10 billion. connell: he doesn't need as much. he raised $700 million, he got anthony scaramucci doing it and one problem including boone pickens. and they don't know which super pac to give to. some of these were run by guys who were not remotely connected to the campaign. if and when this happened, it would be a huge thing. it is a legitimate fundraiser, supported newt gingrich last time and raised money for it. he can pick up the phone and

make calls and people answer and this was a huge step. the problem donald has in this area is this should have been established months ago. connell: getting a late start on the number of things, you think there would be any issue in terms of money, not short money? charles: depends who you talk to. plenty of people say they won't give to him, texas is a huge republican state for contributors and the word i got from the major contributor is if he is so rich, let him fund his own, we won't go there. i ran into some gop people after i was covering, that is where a lot of republican fundraisers, they said there would be significant amounts of money, there was hatred among republicans for the democratic party and hillary clinton is so deep. obviously the polls show he had

a shot and when you have a shot at winning, even the new mammoth university paul in new jersey. connell: hillary clinton up 45-41 nationally. connell: waiting to see how they do. charles: yesterday's press conference, i was there. if this gives -- helps him when you go out and start name-calling constantly. a longer conversation. connell: the people who understood money. connell: disappointment that you were not among those who shared it. charles: i teared up the veterans. i want to go to lanny davis who led us into washington in our

washington newsroom, you heard one conversation with charlie gasparino. on your side, hillary clinton, is there any issue with money there? that her campaign manager put out that said we thought we would be raising more money than we were now after donald trump clinched the nomination and it is not rolling in like they thought. >> don't think this is surprising once the democratic party is united at the convention. bernie sanders's grassroots contributors see that hillary clinton is their choice over donald trump, plenty of money hillary clinton includes a non-nominee, plenty of money will support her over donald trump including a number of republicans who have contacted me who want to sign on. we will be all right. connell: i am sure it would be

great to have a list of names. a bunch of republicans calling you? >> a lot of republicans -- connell: i would not be surprised. there is a middle-of-the-road type republican that pitch their, foreign policy, where -- what are they like? no one likes hillary clinton. the other side is nobody likes trump. charles: in partisan full disclosure, for a long time friend of hillary clinton, a fair objective response. the sick concern that i hear from moderate to conservative republicans is the danger, the temperament and judgment issues ability to attack jeb bush or across the board to ted cruz called a pathological liar.

the recklessness, the more nuclear bombs for saudi arabia, south korea and japan. that word is what republicans -- connell: you support hillary clinton, usually those issues are honest and trustworthy, they need to fix that. much more short-term, bernie sanders issue still around, that surprised the campaign, not going anywhere yet, he things he can win california. he wins california, and does not make her a strong nominee. >> i'm always a little surprised at the short memories but then i'm getting on in years so i can have a short memory. eight years ago everyone was telling me why doesn't she drop out if she beat them in california, you are going to

wound barack obama. eight years later he was elected and reelected president, she served as his secretary of state. connell: in california. >> she beat obama in california, was the nominee, supported him on the platform, the party was united. there is no difference. bernie sanders represents the base of the party that historically has always been strong in caucus states in certain liberal primary voting states. if he wins in california, difficult for people like me to cope with that but she will be the nominee and i guarantee you on the air they get their hands raised and the night of her acceptance speech on the platform with hands raised with moderate and conservative and all kinds of democrat supporting clinton. bring me back -- connell: we have got the tape.

good to see you for making the case. for hillary clinton, we talked about jeff bezos's story, how he is predicting a major emergence for artificial intelligence, how big will it get? how will it affect our lives next?

nicole: i am nickel pedallides, we are starting june with down

arrows so we are off the lows of the day, happening over 120 points, the dow is down 28, the be down 2 and the nasdaq relatively flat, fractionally lower. looking at a couple movies, oil and gold, michael cores gaining 6.3% at 4544, this after revenue at 11%. and over the last 52 weeks, 10%. we should note a buyback of 1 billion shares and grocery retailers, both with up arrows, getting an upgrade from credit suisse as they cut costs and two up arrows there. much more on cavuto coast-to-coast after the break.

connell: we are talking about jeff bezos and his comments about artificial intelligence, it would be gigantic, watch this. >> artificial intelligence, quite hard to overstate how big an impact it is going to have over 20 years. it is big. we are on the edge of a golden era. >> think that is going to be so exciting, the ai explosion, it sounds, we talk about artificial

intelligence, going to talk to computers and set of our lives, it is starting to happen. how will it affect how we live? >> a few ways will affect the way we live. certainly jeff bezos is finding it hard to describe the right words other than began gigantic but making your busy life easier whether it is gmail, writing and email response without you being involved, whether it is scheduling calendars before you arrive, small bits of ai, making your busy life a little easier. and disease and other medical issues, you can put ai to work, and -- connell: in remote parts of the world, and uses that were

utilized, make our lives easier to have computers more involved and is able to talk to them and they will talk back. what about the effect on jobs. and completely going away. connell: we have seen robotics coming into play the we haven't necessarily seen them display for ton of jobs. some folks like doctors and lawyers are finding machine learning and ai and the internet to not be their friends when it comes to simple, routines that a computer can now do for them. there are some folks in different careers that are more worried than others. this is not going to overtake human jobs anytime soon. this is a 25 to 50 or proposition. connell: news anchors and guest on television shows, a couple robots to talk about ai. talk about technology a little

more. a story out of utah which is kind of interesting, tenants complaining about an apartment complex telling them they have 2 like the page on facebook or they risk being in breach of their lease. like us or get out of your apartment. it seems weird, we reached out to the complex for a comment. what they told us is while we openly encourage residents to follow the property, facebook page, this is not mandatory and absence of engagement on facebook in no way affect the residential lease agreement. i guess they are not kicking you out. landlord can't do this if they wanted to, doug burns is here, maybe it is legal. is it? is it okay to put that quid pro quo in place where you say like us on facebook or you are out of your apartment? >> very hard to defend the idea that you will be held in breach of your lease if you don't hit the like button but you need

some context on this. the building reversed course. first they said like it or you'll be in breach, the lawyers weighed in and said we are not going to contend you are i it s was they were opening up the pool at the complex and wanted people to waive objections to photos put up and took it a step further and said we don't want you to put up negative things and and then hit the like button. you won't have any lawyer who says that will be legally upheld in court. connell: some buddy didn't know what was going on. their boss got to them and said what are you doing? you can't do this. >> they got ahead of themselves but this speaks to the import of what the attorney is producing for them. where was the mistake? who articulated the fact we are going to include in this addendum not only the release but residents don't object to

their photos released on facebook which require them to like. and it wasn't me, and that is held accountable and the business owner, you tape somebody to the resident app stores and expect them to actually hold up in court and addendum to a lease. connell: if you work in a company they can control what you post on social media but if you are outside of it, you're a tenant you are protected by free speech and can say whatever you want. >> emily is right. you can't compel speech. at the same time, you could argue we lawyers argue, a lot of times a lease will have a provision saying everybody agrees to execute such documents that promote the lease. that would be the only argument, and not reasonably related to

the lease. connell: doesn't pass the smell test. >> a tough argument but it is hard to take the position, very hard. connell: the state department to travelers in europe, which became a story yesterday traveling in the summer. certain areas, the european championships and soccer tournaments. the details of it after a quick break. ♪

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connell: french company thank its undersea search ship detected signals from one of the black box flight recorders on the egypt air flight. it crashed in the middle of last

month. the flight recorder, that news came out earlier this hour. summer travelers have been scrambling to change lanes after the state department warning came out yesterday, a warning about traveling to europe this summer. officials worried about a terror attack abroad. are they being cautious? is this a real threat you should deal with in a real way? army intelligence officer lieutenant colonel tony shaver joins us. thank you for coming on with us. they were specific in terms of looking at eventss, european championships, soccer, cycling event am a catholic event, catholic youth day in poland, not like they said just avoid europe. when you look at something more specific does it make you think that it is a stronger threat and should we take it more seriously as a traveler? >> i think this morning is late. it should have been issued two or three months ago.

this is a specific warning about certain eventss. what they won't tell you is the overlay if you look at the threat they want you has to do with where you have large communities that are not assimilated. let's call it what it is, and islamic terror threat. i know that drives liberals crazy but it is time to get real about what the threat is. connell: i want to know why you think it is late. you think this should have been earlier. >> how many terrorist attacks have we seen over the last 6 months in europe? the attacks have been from the same source. you need to look at where the actual enemy is and they are within the context of these communities and at the root of all this is bad immigration policies which allowed these folks to establish large communities completely on assimilated. you have a support infrastructure -- connell: they sat on it or something? you think they knew about it, a

specific threat? >> john brennan, go back and look at what john brennan said as director of cia, we had information which he said in february we didn't share with the french so we have known for a while, people i talked to in this town who are dhs and intelligence folks and the best folks all told me there is a great concern not only about europe but the infrastructure forming upright here that is doing attacks right here. connell: what everybody hears from these people and you were in this business we get threats all the time, we started sharing everything we heard we would have no time for anything else. isn't there something to that? >> it is all about the source. consider the source is one of our inside sayings. what does the source say? we have to understand right now isis has said certain things, listed their intentions. they follow through

consistently. we have to accept on face value when isis says we are going to do x assume it is true. when you see resources and indication something is happening you put that with the threat, that means credible. connell: when you avoid as a traveler would you avoid these eventss they mention? those two sporting events and the catholic youth day event or would you be careful? >> i would travel with impunity in the united states for now, no credible way to do it. i would take the warning very seriously. europeans do not have their act together, no indication they will be together anytime soon. you need to consider carefully what you do in europe. europe is a hotbed. i would take the threat -- i would avoid those events. connell: thank you for your expertise, appreciate you coming in. lieutenant colonel, the thoughts on this threat which was very specific to the two sporting events and one other plant in poland for the summer. the libertarian presidential ticket is here and we will talk

to gary johnson and phil wells. gary johnson is running for president, former governor of massachusetts phil wells will be his running mate. they are both here and their plans to shake up this presidential race. ♪

. connell: we're back on cavuto coast to coast. did donald trump get a help, a bump from a third party challenger? there are some people talking that way. i'm connell mcshane in for neil cavuto. hillary clinton edging out ahead in this new quinnipiac poll came out earlier today. 45-41 when you mix in third party candidates. only two points. 4238. we had one of those here, libertarian presidential nominee gary johnson and his running mate is bill, the former governor of massachusetts and johnson the former governor of new mexico. welcome to you both. >> thank you. connell: you announced with neil when you were running and, boy, you have a running mate. sow not in this alone anymore.

>> well, a role model for me and really wanting to grow up politically. so beyond my wildest dreams, expectations, i have some pretty wild dreams and expectations. connell: i'm sure you do. hearing some of your comments in the past. i want to talk to you about this poll in a second and how you guys might shake up the race. but why did you agree to get involved here? >> well, gather and i were rated the two most fiscally conservative governors in the united states even though we were in blue states and we're both on the social side, tolerant, inclusive, liberal, whatever word you want, so we're running together. we like each other, we get along, we have the same views, and we don't have to shoulder the burden of the conservative social policies of the democrats or the free spending ways -- i'm sorry of the republicans with their free spending ways of the democrats. so it's a perfect match. . connell: but tock point, you're both republican and it does bring up this larger

point that people are saying how are they going to shake up this race? how will they affect the race? and just using conventional wisdom maybe they'll take support away from trump. he's the presumptive nominee and the polls show maybe that's not the case at all. are you surprised by that? >> no. connally we wouldn't be doing this if if there were the opportunity to actually win the white house. but to win the white house, we have to be in the presidential debate. connell: so you need 15%. >> we need to be at 15% and the fact that we're included in these polls is really significant. that's the difference now as opposed to in 2012. connell: you were at 10% i think in our poll, the fox poll. >> right. but, you know, for these polls that we are where we're being listed, there are another 40 polls that come off where we're not listed. but i think there's a real reason for us to be in the polls. i mean we're going to be the only third party candidates on the ballot in all 50 states. . connell: well, to -- it's interesting, governor w welch

people who are watching, did he just say winning the white house? taking votes away, being a spoiler. what do you make of that? will go to has been maybe most years you could say that i'm a third party candidate. i tend to look at us as a third way, third approach as opposed to a third party. that's how bill clinton won in 1992. connell: but you're not going to get 270 electoral votes, are you? >> well, if we get in the debates and show well, the polls show between 40 and 55% of the american public agrees with our sense of the issues. and what we're up against is a due ppoly, the other two parties. they're not going to go quietly but it took exactly 66 years for the weak party, a dominant party with three presidents to disappear. connell: is that what's going on here? something of a big time -- some people have actually talked about that. a huge political shift. >> no. i see a shift. if not this election soon. connell: to what?

>> this would seem to be the year. connell: two-party seem goes away or a whole new two-party system. >> well, i think most people in this country are libertarian. it's just they don't know it and speaking with a broad breaststroke. socially liberal policy. connell: is there one party then that's going to be fiscally conservative and socially something else? is that what we're going to end up with? >> in britain and canada you've seen a three party go to a two party. connell: let me ask you about the three party system then because that's what we would have to deal with here. you would be a third party. >> right. connell: mitch mcwas here the last hour. and i asked about that. the chance of the third party. of course he's supporting now trump. you'll find out. here it is. let's watch. >> hillary clinton is going to be the democratic nom in any way, donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. you may fantasize about somebody else. you may have supported somebody else in the primary but this is the choice. connell: but there is a third party alternative. >> yeah. and that will not succeed. and i will not want on my

conscious as a conservative leader in the country that i did anything that made it more likely we would have four more years just like the last eigh e. connell: governor johnson. >> i love the fact when he says third party won't succeed and he's referring to us. just tell people what they can't do and watch what they will end up doing. i love it. connell: i think he was also talking about bill crystal's sayingbout this candidate. anybody who -- he wouldn't want on his conscious as a conservator. well, i don't want the republican party social conservator activism and government telling people what to do in their private lives on my conscious. we're both two term governors successful, economically conservative in blue states. what's not to like? i mean i would think that team if you described it didn't know the names were to succeed at the table. connell: what does success look like to each one of you? is it as simple as you're the president, you're the vice president in 2017 or is there

another way of defining it through this? >> well, look, if we're in the presidential debates i mean presidential debates vice presidential debates. well, to be in the presidential debate, you're going to be representing 25 million people. connell: that he is goal one? >> well, yes, there's no chance of are winning the presidency without being in the presidential debates. but being in the presidential debates representing 25 million people at the end of the day whether it's trump or clinton that win. hey, they're not going to -- they're going to have to pay more than just lip service to me if i'm on stage. connell: right. because they're going to want to garner that support going forward. connell: you'll get a say, they'll have to respond what you're saying. but it sounds like from your earlier comments that you do think you're a part of something. a change. >> i believe of. on our way there, out of our goals is to speak truth to power. and what's in their current position and that may result in some cracking of the ice. at least we'll crack a few

eggs and make a few omelets. when you get to that point and we're in the debates and the national dialogue and highest that 20, 25 percent. connell: but something short of that could be a, quote, unquote, success in your mind. is that fair? >> yeah. more than fair. if we get to do all the first part of what i say and really drive the republicans to the left on social policies and drive the democrats into being more responsible, that's not chop liver. connell: it would have a dramatic impact in terms of how the future elections are looking at. >> well, and i love donald trump's comment yesterday that said we were fringe candidates. i completely agree. i think he nailed it. two republican governors serving in heavily blue states. we've been fringed for a long time; right? connell: he's mainstream, though. he's the presumptive nominee of the republican party; right?

>> it's a big opportunity. and the big opportunity is to actually move america forward. to really address the issues that people really care about. as a libertarian president challenging democrats to be good at what they're supposed to be good at. and challenging republicans to actually be small. >> but i think most people would agree that both washington parties have -- are set in their ways or else you wouldn't see this satisfaction. it's not ideological. it's the sense that there's not a lot of fresh things in that election. connell: were you in those debates. who do you go after? >> i don't think you go after either one of them. you point out we have agreement on both sides but disagreement on the issues. and, look, hillary at the end of the day isn't that going to be about bigger government? isn't that going to be about more taxes? and at the end of the day with regard to trump. deporting 11 million illegal immigrants building a fence across the border, killing the

families of muslim terrorists. bringing backwater boarding or worse. i'm all for free market. but i'm going to force apple to make their ipads and iphones in the united states? i think we're 180 degrees on all of those topics. connell: it's been an interesting political season. i think even more interesting if you guys are the in debates. and we'll see what happens. keep us updated. >> we'll see what happens. thanks for having us on. connell: good to talk to both of you. a busy hour in the meantime. for the democrats. bernie sanders is talking about fracking today. he has an event out in california as we say you're looking live in california. so we'll monitor that. in the meantime adam shapiro is monitoring the former secretary of state hillary clinton at an event not yet in california but in the state of new jersey. adam, what's the latest? >> well, connell, she's going to be speaking here at rutgers university at 1:30. but her attention is on california in so many ways. and i want to show you the latest numbers because first let's talk about the delegate count.

she has 71 delegates shy of clinching the nomination in the first round of the democratic convention. you need 2383 to do that. she's got so far 2313 when you include the super delegates. bernie sanders has 1,545 delegates. now, of course he is counting big on california, and he's getting some momentum in california. according to the public policy institute of california, the latest poll shows clinton with only a two-point lead. 46% among democratic voters. to sanders 44%. and then the reason she's leaving new jersey and going to california is not only to deal with sanders, but also to turn attention on donald trump. a new quinn pan poll shows that on the national scale clinton is only leading trump by 40 points. 45% to trump's 41%. he has a lot of work to do not only to maintain or lead over bernie sanders, but she's falling in polls not only to sanders but to trump. here in new jersey, jon bon jovi will be introducing her

in about 20 minutes. and you might make a joke that someone is living on a prayer if you're talking about bernie sanders. but when you look at clinton's polls as they continue to fall, got to which candidate may be hoping for define intervention. connell: are you going to apology for that now or later? out of newark, new jersey adam shapiro there with hillary clinton. the other story we're watching with regard to clinton and sanders. national nurses united. not backing down after backing bernie. promising to make some noise against hillary clinton at the democratic convention in philadelphia this summer. let's go to ashley on this. brings up a bigger story. that the democratic convention in philadelphia, not so much the republican convention in cleveland. that might be the one to watch where things get a little bit rowdy; right? >> oh, it's supposed to be. and it's funny. you hit it right on the head. it's supposed to be the republican convention. that was supposed to be this big hoopla.

but i really think because of the democratic civil war that's going on between sanders supporters and those backing clinton that they're not going to back down. and this is very clear with the nurses union that has come out and say, hey, 180 of us are going as delegates. and they're not backing down and have stuck to their guns on this which i give them credit for because they're going into that convention. against the political establishment machine, which is the clinton machine and they're not backing down. so i think she's going to have a very tough time trying to portray this message of unity when a lot of sanders supporters will not back down from supporting him and switch over to her. connell: they won't back down, and it doesn't seem like -- or it does seem like some of the assumptions that the clinton campaign was making are just not coming true; right? i was talking to lonnie davis last hour and the point is that the clinton campaign manager is putting a note out to supporters saying, hey, listen, we thought the donations would start flooding in once the -- donald trump had clinched the nomination

because everybody on the democratic side would want to give money and they would just want to -- anything but trump. and that hasn't happened. so is it just -- what's going on with hillary clinton's campaign at this point? >> she is in complete disarray right now. her trustworthy numbers are not going up. we're seeing trump's numbers increasing at this point. favorable direction whereas hers just continue to go down. which is not something you want to see going into a general election if you are the democratic party. knowing that trump has this excitable factor among the population. with her, she's an established candidate in a very outsider of year which works against her. this e-mail scandal is dogging her entire campaign and as more facts released about that it hurts her honesty and trustworthiness which, again, voters at home don't want another insider or clinton in the white house. they're open to the idea of an outsider and somebody new.

connell: ashley pratt, thank you very much. good to see you. >> thank you. connell: i want to shift back to the market for a moment. the stock -- the dow if you look at it it was down more than this earlier. only down about 13 almost 14 points now. a big billionaire, though, just warning about something that could cause investors to panic. find out what that is next

. connell: so we were just looking at the market a moment ago, not moving much, down 20 points on the dow but if you think of the big picture, the billionaire investor wilbur ross was on this morning. worried something looming over the market. >> to me the brigs concern is the potential for the uk

pulling out. that would be a madhouse if it happened. and what's strange about it in scotland, it was the young people who wanted to break away from uk. young people ideaists and patriotic and all of that and the you can be, it's the old people who want to pull out and the young people know there will be a half million or so unemployed people if they break out. connell: now, it may not surprise you but donald trump actually think so britain should leave the eu. so i guess he doesn't think it would be a complete mess or maybe he does. i don't know. scott martin with us today. and let's see what they think. is this something that is really hanging over the market, scott, as much as wilbur ross seems to think? >> i really don't think so, connell. and i frankly don't think they're going to vote to exit. now, you have to think about different things when you compare, say, scotland's have toker, even the greek thing that is going on the last couple of years. to what's going on in england. england is a top five global economy. a central bank that is older

than dirt. 1694 if you're playing at home? connell: sure. >> they've got a -- they don't need the eu. that's no joke. but to say they're breaking off is going to cause worldwide catastrophe, i don't believe it because they're going to survive just fine. there's going to be some volatility in the currency, maybe in economic data but that will pass quickly. connell: scott martin who thought he was appearing on jeopardy today and came with random british facts as opposed to the market thoughts. >> i've got them all here all the time. connell: one of the 1,600s. let's say it happens to wilbur ross' point that he brings up and the leave. the uk leaves the eu. what does that mean for world markets? >> i think scott hit it that i don't think it's going to happen either. and wilbur ross the main point he was making is if they left knee have, it would be the

proverbial strall that breaks the kamal's back. britain is 12% of the eu budget right now. so britain's input into the eu budget is 12%. having subpoena of a big player pull out as scott was talking about how big they are would be really a huge deal and with the tenuous nature of the markets in this bull, bear balance. connell: where are you, by the way, on that balance? what side of it are you on in the balance? >> well, i think that we're due for a -- we're due for a pull back. connell: okay. >> into the summer. i think we're going to test these highs again. the april 20 highs. and then i think we're going to have a pretty good pull back in the summer that will lead us to a trickling down into the november election. connell: what about the you, scott? >> sorry. connell: sorry to cut you on of. just a little short on time. >> i think the market is overvalued. i agree. where we're looking at valuations via where the economic data tells us the global and certainly the u.s. economy is, it seems extensive.

now, important things coming up, though. ecb meeting on thursday where mario is doing his best shakespeare. to stimulate or not to stimulant. that's actually hamlet. connell: you really are ready. >> i'm rolling. but, you know, also, connell, you have a fed meeting in two weeks where you have a not stimulus. a hawkish tone. because economic data to me in the united states is not impressive. connell: i've got to go to some serious breaking news for a moment and see what's going on in the west coast. thank you to both of you. scott and dr. we appreciate that. the breaking news that you may see flash at the bottom of your screen comes to us from ucla out in los angeles. the police are investigating out there a possible shooter on the ucla campus. we've seen some tweets coming out of their official twitter account where the police are looking at a possible shooter at -- what they call balter hall on what they call bruin alerts.

shooting at engineering four. i assume that's a reference to a building there. or a possibly a room within that building. balter and they're telling people to go to a secure location. deny entry nowto what is balter hall four. obviously and you can see the heavy police presence coming courtesy of kabc out on the west coast. investigation into a possible shooter at ucla. more coming up. you wouldn't take medicine without checking the side effects. hey honey. huh. the good news is my hypertension is gone. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck.

. connell: on the breaking news we're covering on the west coast for you this afternoon. the police are investigating the possibility of a shooter at the campus of ucla as we told you a moment ago. k tt is reporting out there that it took place in a engineering building. i refer to this before our last break. engineering building number four and that is described being near parking lot nine. we would have to look at a map of the campus to get a better sense.

we're looking at an overhead shot coming in from kttv right now in the los angeles area. we're told by our colleagues in the fox news bureau that the lapd got a call from the security, the campus security of an active shooter being on the campus, and they are now responding by sending officers to the scene. it would appear -- now, the shot has pulled out a little bit as many of those law enforcement officials have arrived on scene. the campus of ucla as we now see one of those law enforcement officials and people being led away with hans over their heads and ems truck pulling up. not exactly sure of the context of the picture. we only know of a possible shooter on the ucla campus. more as we get it and we'll continue to coever this breaking news from the west coast. and this involving united health signals there may be problems with obamacare. and the way it's doing it, united health being the

largest health insurance in the country. is adding california and illinois to a list of exchanging it's getting out of. it's exiting. obamacare exchanges. liz macdonald has been covering all of this, and she joins us now with the latest. which is what? liz: so basically united health saying they lost $475 million last year due to obamacare and also projecting 500 million. so it's half a billion in losses, you know, this year. so all total maybe a billion in losses through obamacare. connell: getting out. liz: so just getting out and it looks like they're going to stay in five or six states. those would be nevada, new york, virginia, georgia, and florida. connell: so it depends state to state. >> it depends right. and what we're seeing is humanna also pulling out of some markets. blue cross pulling out of some markets. anthem are sticking fast. but what happens here, connell, is unintended consequences of obamacare, many states including alabama,

tennessee, you know, alaska, they're seeing maybe one insurer. so those insurers are getting double-digit rate increases easily passed by the state regulators. so that's an issue for people who are still, you know, struggling with double-digit. connell: okay. so something they didn't see coming. >> yeah. connell: they didn't know what happened. and now it is happening. so the way they deal with it is to get out. >> yeah. or hike the rates. connell: i want to go back to the -- i'm sorry to cut you off. >> i get it. connell: i'm going to go back to the breaking news. and we can watch this for a moment. now we're getting pictures from kttv and kabc the s.w.a.t. team it looks like going in to one of the buildings on the campus of ucla. and running as you can see across the street. these are live pictures coming in. the shooter handbook reported is at a engineering building on the campus. so they're investigating the report that there was a shooter in the building. they had sent out tweets from the official ucla twitter account that said, you know, if you're in this building, engineering building number four, go to a secure location and the way they put it on social media was deny entry.

don't let anybody into that secure location where you are. take whatever means are necessary to make sure that location remains secure. and that nobody else gets into it. now, as they were doing that, the ucla officials, they also put a call out from what we understand to the local police authorities. the lapd and the lapd then sent over their officers to the campus to, you know, deal with the situation. and i'm presuming from the closer shot we have in the uniforms those were members of the lapd that were running up those stairs and at least near that building. it's tough for us to tell without a map of the campus and we'll get you one here in a minute. which building is the engineering building that they are dealing with and now the kttv shot is zooming in on one of the buildings and looking down at some of the objects below there. but the police officers i think have been to the right of that. and we're trying to deal with that. but once again an active shooter on a american college campus as we switch to a different shot of the parking lot. remember the building that was

in question was adjacent to one of the parking lots. parking lot number 9 is what they told us earlier and those are los angeles police department vehicles there. and officers that have lined up. they did not seem to be moving with as much sense of urgency as the other officers were that were clearly running to a location. unclear to us because we didn't know or couldn't see where they were going had they entered that building or were they setting up maybe a perimeter outside the building to deal with this situation as it unfolds? but now as the shot zooms out, you can see that there is did indeed a large police presence. so the call to come out earlier had been answered and the lapd did their best to respond and do so quickly. now, we do not know at this point of any injuries or any -- actually, we're getting a new report from the l.a. times now. let me update you on that. that two people were indeed injured in this possible shooting at ucla. this is being reported by the l.a. times. citing a law enforcement

official or officials. so the campus remains on lock down and they're asking people as i mentioned a little while ago to shelter in place in that engineering building. if they're in that building on the campus. but, again, from the l.a. times, two people were injured. the rast day of classes at ucla was supposed to be on -- was going to be on friday june 3rd. so two days from now. a little bit later than other college campuses. and the graduation at ucla is not scheduled to take place until june 10th. and june 11th. so the following weekend, that's later than you would expect on other college campuses. dagen mcdo you following this. now, as the shot zooms in. but, boy, something to be talking about. another shooting on a -- at an educational institution in this case a big time campus

ucla. so. the two of us will watch these picture, but as the shot from kttv a little bit. it looks like the perimeter iset pick up. they may have entered one of those buildings, the engineering building that was in question. we do have for really the nypd pat on the phone with us now. former nypd detective. i don't know, pat, what you've been be able to pick up with some of these shots. you're on with us now on the fox business network. but the l.a. times is reporting that there are at least two people injured in this shooting out of ucla. >> well, as always there's a lot of fog involved and extremely early in the incident. so we're unable to ascertain with any degree of precision.

there are reports that two are down. police are developing information on the field. uncertain that they have put up a perimeter, that they've sheltered in place and locked down east, west, north, and south of the campus. but right now, it's just a confirm shooting. so we -- details are relatively scarce. connell: now, one of the things that they did say when they were posting on social media was for people who were in that building, the engineering building where the shooting is said to have taken place, that they should, you know, lock themselves down in place. and make the area where they are as secure as possible. how do you do that if you find yourself in that type of situation as scary as it may be inside of a classroom? >> well, it's extremely difficult because they're operating at the minimum one eye closed because they only know what they're getting through uncollaborated hearsay and possible innuendo. so they don't know factually where the shooter is on campus and within these multifloor

buildings. but i would say that's a general rule of shelter in place philosophy to duck into a closet, locking a closet door. obviously locking doors. making yourself very small to the extent shooters can't identify you and don't know you're in a certain location is the very first step. and, again, that's complete logic and pragmatic behavior. but easy to say from the comfort of the studio. not so easy to say if there's gunshots ringing out in your vicinity. so, again, tough stuff and a very, very tough scene. connell: of course as we watch the police officers gather taking direction now from one of their superiors on the ground in full riot gear. seems to be talking about what their next plan will be and where will they will go from that perimeter pat talked about. ucla, by the way, has confirmed to us at fox news and fox business that the shooting did take place on their campus. so it's not just reports of a shooting. it's a confirmed shooting on the campus of ucla. the l.a. times had reported two injuries. because the -- as we talked to

pat former nypd detective, the instinct for a lot of people i think if they find themselves in this situation is to try to get out of it; right? i mean that could make it even more dangerous to run for it. run down a hallway and sometimes that could put you in a even worse spot; right? >> well, again, difficult to say because every chase is built on the facts as they unfold. but we do active shooter. we provide active shooter across the spectrum of fine bases throughout the united states. so my first instinct and directive is to run. is to get out of there. connell: if you can right. >> get out of there. if you can flee, flee at top speed. run like your life depends on it because it very well may. connell: go ahead. what's the secondary position? >> well, the secondary position is what we explored earlier. hide and make yourself small and inconspicuous so that the

shooter can't identify you as prey. so run for the hills. absolutely. if you don't have a weapon and you're not trained and you're not confronted directly, get out of there. connell: yeah, don't present yourself. that's essentially what it would be a sitting duck. if you can get out, get out. it seems like obvious advice but sometimes in these situations i say tough to know what the best course of action is. now, from the police department's perspective, pat, we watched as you were speaking it looked like the lapd giving directions to other police officers in full riot gear as to what they would do next. the priorities when you arrive on scene like this are what? what order number this shooter causes damage inside that building and escapes further mayhem and damage and killer wound others outside of that area. you absolutely want to get him, and you want to minimize any additional -- obviously

any additional casualties of civilians. police personnel. but by putting out a very define perimeter, that minimizes the chances of these individuals escaping. and that's key. connell: right? >> you can't have a mad dog out -- end up in home invasions or jumping into other schools or hijacking or carjacking. you know, these guys are desperate oftentimes. connell: now, if you're first on the scene, though, pat whether you're campus security or local police or whoever you may be, don't they teach you how to go in as opposed to -- that's what we always talk about after columbine, unfortunately, years ago. teachers just go in and do your best as opposed to waiting back? >> well, it goes department by department, you know? there's really not a 100% agreed upon patrol guide protocol or policy. some departments take the position that the emergency service personnel are better trained, better equipped, better suited for the initial penetration of the building.

and the others would be containment and isolation. but it does range -- surprisingly it ranges somewhat dramatically. and i think there's also input from the type of venue, the type of location and what the facts are known on the ground. but i think in your sense and conviction is generally accurate because it's all about protecting and serving. so a loan patrolman can bolt in there and end the day by shooting the guy in the head, that's a great job. it may not be the exact protocol and policy that given, you know, municipality. connell: okay. pat, former nypd. before we move on, i'm going to move on to paul in a second. let me just recap what we know so far in the campus of ucla where the university has confirmed a shooting on their campus. we've had reports coming in from the l.a. times of two injuries.

those as far as i know are not confirmed and what we do is confirmed is that a shooting did take place. classes are still underway, which may come as a surprise on a college campus because the classes -- last day of classes at ucla was not supposed to be until friday. so they still had a couple of days day of classes and the congratulations not until next week. so it's not the 10th or 11th depending on what school you were in. so still an active campus with students on campus. inside of the engineering buildings. engineering building next to parking lot number nine on the campus of lapd. on scene full force after they learned of the security. >> the first thing that has to change is how many, where are they, and can we locate the shooter and there's been more than one. . connell: right. >> but what we find

specifically in cases like this, the fact that this is very clearly planned out. whoever that shooter is and typically there's only one. they had a very clear reason why they went to that building at that time because psychologically they are focused on one or two people they blame for their lot in life. ibly3 confirming the two shooting victims, la times report, they put in their official twitter account that they have two shooting victims on the campus and the campus remains on lockdown. the twitter account is called ucla newsroom and they are updating this as much as they can. that tweet 18 minutes ago, this recent tweet came in a few minutes ago campus remains on lockdown. try to keep people updated but as far as we know there are

people in the building. you heard me talking to pat about that. >> this reminds me of the virginia tech shooting. they didn't realize so many people were down and what happened after that so the police have to have that immediate response in intelligence gathering across the entire map of the campus to figure out is this isolated? is this contained or ongoing? the second part when you look at where this is headed and how this could have happened that is the biggest question, we simply don't know at this point. connell: there is much more you don't know as opposed to what you do know but you see many of them standing there, part of setting up the so-called perimeter we talked about earlier, first responders are important. >> critical.

how do you know what the perimeter is. we know how massive that campus is. >> it is a giant campus in a huge city, one of the best-known colleges in the country. the size of it and sprawling nature. >> if you have lapd, ucla, sheriff's department what is the perimeter? your point is what do you do? we hear run and hide, fight, but the problem with that, you are not teaching people how to evacuate, this is an active shooter so people don't know how to get out of there, you're running into the issue. >> a former homicide detective out of dc and debate in the law enforcement community. what are your thoughts on this?

just regular people handling a situation like this if they find themselves in a college classroom where we know shooting is taking place? >> as you have been indicating ucla has done a tremendous job preparing for events like this, not just the university but the police department in los angeles working with university so students should be well trained. there was an alert, a message that went out to thousands of people on campus at 9:00 this morning and that is when someone suspected there was a shooting on campus so it is a fluid situation. police are trying to determine a perimeter just like your previous guest said. once they do that they said they can account for everyone in the building, everyone in the building and develop a profile of the shooter. the question that is important

right now is whether there were any warning signs and with cases like this there are warning signs. police are trying to figure that out. connell: just to do the math on what you are talking about something 9:00 in the morning specific time, after 12:00 our time, we are one:43 right now on the east coast of the united states, 10:43 out west, you try to deal with something you may have known beforehand but real-time it is different. >> rob is on point. that is a violent continue amend various levels we see, he is entirely on point. when this is looked at in days to come that is the primary interest of all the investigators, what we knew, how we knew it with respect to the shooting which was identified. >> we can switch to google maps as well as overhead shots, is

not far from if you know the campus of ucla, the ucla bookstore. the google maps picture would be just to use directional terms, at ucla, the basketball that has been played over the years but it is across a major thoroughfare on the other side, the school of engineering and this is supposed to be on building 9 next to parking lot 9, we highlighted the building number 4, the engineering building on the campus of ucla. let's go back the ucl spokesperson confirming the shooting on campus, there are two victims, neither rob nor paul at this point is the condition of either of those victims but to paul's point we get this information early on

and it could be worse, difficult to know as a law enforcement official, you got to go in. >> you are 100% correct, you don't know what you will find. a lot of time there are other victims like the previous guest said. of the victims we don't know about, real quickly, one way to determine the type of weapon that was used based on the type of injury to the victim so police are looking at that right now, have ballistics efforts to determine the type of weapon. why is that important? the reason that is important is now we in law enforcement know what we are up against once we come across it. connell: the type of weapon, you have a guy with a pistol, different from an automatic weapon you might be going in, obviously they are coming in fully armed as police officers.

>> you will undercover what you know and how many have been hurt and when you start analyzing what you are up against, the two key components that are looked at is the behavioral profile of individual shooter and the continuum. >> thank you. connell: we had to go, he has to take off but we would get more analysis. we watch life pictures from los angeles, that is a large building, the building we are looking at, 6 or 7 stories, that is the engineering building. i had to look it up on google maps, engineering building number 4. it was next to parking lot number 9. i do not know what floor, we will get more information on this if information trickles in what floor the classroom is. >> the police will go in and clear the building connell: even if it was, there are police officers, they are

going in or not, they have to clear it. >> the entire building. connell: i don't know that it was in a classroom. >> may have been a classroom. there is a building adjacent to it. connell: a construction zone to the outside of that. i am thinking about escape routes, you're trying to get out of the building, looks like there are areas that might be difficult to find somebody if you get away quickly enough. >> in perimeter and out of perimeter doing that right now as we speak. connell: a lot of police department have dealt with this, a big police department. >> they are well-trained police department and ucla has reputation of handling this preemptively so i would be shocked, a certain amount of

training. connell: bill daily, and on the campus of ucla, we know two people have been shot at the university of california los angeles and it happened in one of the engineering buildings on campus where students were still going to class, classes were not set to wrap up the semester until an end of this week at ucla. bill daily joins us now via telephone. former fbi investigator, the role of what paul was getting into, people who are potentially victims in this cases, we cover more of these cases, you have to fend for yourself in some instances where you are the first line of defense. >> kind of a training that goes

into potential workplace violence. it happens around the country, those people who stayed in place and protected themselves survived, others evacuated right away, walking into the line of fire. it is a personal one as much as training goes on at the end, it is up to the individual and what they want to do. connell: have we not found in our research bill there is no right answer to that? is that what you are saying? >> there is no one answer for any situation. it is a matter of people assessing what is happening at the moment. it is listening to what authorities may tell you but when this takes place in one of the engineering buildings, people in and around, people given advice need to make quick decisions to protect themselves,

places like virginia tech and other things. some split-second decisions that led to people surviving or not. in this case as we learn about what is happening, it is now under the control of the los angeles police department and ucla public safety police department as well. in a better position about where to go or not to go or how to evacuate the area. it also provides a challenge for law enforcement. and urban campus a place that is very porous the number of buildings, and people quickly blend into student population as they are leaving. it creates a number of challenges for police to understand what is happening but also contain the crime scene and identify people responsible for the shooting.

connell: we don't have any confirmation as to the condition of these victims, there are two victims, does the idea obviously from having observed and cover the information, the idea of the first half hour or whatever it is, the number of states is the same. and is that jumping too farhad? >> taking a look at virginia tech, they really believe there were only two victims so we don't know at this point and that is the best way to look at it. what needs to be done is being done and that is closing this crime scene in. bill raises an excellent point. if this is a student and we don't know who it is but if it was how many students you have on campus, would it is for that person to mesh into the crowd and walk off campus.

connell: exactly right. this looks like a perimeter shot that i think is far away from the scene itself judging from the fact we see what a local photographer walking with a camera normally wouldn't let the meeting get too close to that situation but from your experience local authorities handle this until when? reports the fbi, went to federal authorities get involved in a situation like this? >> many times local law enforcement will ask the fbi to respond, as we are discussing now with the facts being opaque and unfolding, not too sure what is behind it and they all need potentially for some access to investigative databases, they identify individuals very

quickly, for those resources to support the skills the lapd has, a broader view of what is happening around the country, you see cases like this particularly san bernardino, the fbi was able to do it quickly to do some data checking to find out who people involved with this might be or what their connections are and could there be other people associated? many times they do this is a proactive measure to get involved and maybe they don't need them but at least they are available for standby and work to go a long way. connell: we are told assets from the la field office of the fbi are responding to that shooting scene at ucla and working to subscribe to local partners which includes the lapd. we don't know which access the

fbi is sending there, whether it is to our earlier point investigative assets or tactical assets to help securing things, pass any of that along in terms of how they are coordinating things. the earlier point about ucla in california los angeles is almost the city, maybe 40,000 students on the ucla campus not that there would be that many at one time at this moment but at of the people who work there, a lot of people there. >> it is completely self-contained city with its own water treatment facility and its own power. it is a city in and of itself, the thing you need to focus on is containment. because of the amount of information that is ongoing the most important part is containing what they know. the collaboration between law enforcement is exactly what you will see. it is going to be a situational,

case by case. connell: it happened so recently. connell: has bill pointed out. all the agencies collaborate and that is something, law enforcement is a good job collaborating and in instance like this, train in advance of things like this. the fact the fbi sealed off is protocol. connell: wider discussion we can get into that relates to the terrorism cases and other things that you are referring to, coordination needed to improve that has improved, i want to put one more piece of information out there, we are getting this from the student run newspaper at the daily bruin, wouldn't be surprising you would get to a student newspaper, and what it is coming from. they said something on the twitter account, and black

jacket and black pants, campus police, they cite the police saying black jacket and black pants is the shooter. i don't have anything else, more interesting, where it is going what does the person leave the building. >> where did the information come from. connell: that tells us where the person is, where he was which would be more helpful. >> is the older? younger? what does he look like? connell: no other description that i know of. >> we see incidents like this during these first hours that is when the information changes over and over again to validate who we have and who we are looking at and who are the victims. were they students? were they teachers? were they administrators? connell: we don't know bill daley, as paul and i have been saying, moments when law enforcement authorities have looked to the acting with more urgency than other moments. we are limited to the camera

shots we are getting overhead from kt tv to what we see but sometimes milling around, other times they look like they are moving with a sense of purpose and going somewhere. what does that tell us? surrounding, look at this being kind of like a bullseye type of zone. they come from the outside perimeter, working more towards the incidents occurred. you are starting to rule out other scenes as you go through the process. there may absence of urgency to get closer to the scene where the incident has occurred, where individuals were injured. we don't know condition yet. and then as they start to feel more comfortable about the outside perimeter rings, there is level of comfort, they're standing by waiting to be called in. . . another interesting point paul raised here, but takes a little time, today technology is moving pretty quickly, many corporate campuses or many campuses around

the country, schools and corporations have elaborate closed-circuit camera systems. those are helpful putting together what happened and have images of people who may be moving around where the incident took place. i'm sure one of the places that the police have congregated around is the security control center to get a better view what may have happened leading up to and what happened afterwards, who left the scene. we get descriptions from time to time during the incident what people look like. we know that sometimes changes even in the best conditions where we have eyewitnesses. take that with a grain of salt. certainly images from a closed-circuit camera system are much more compelling that an people's recollections of what happened. connell: bill daly, thank you for your expertise, former fbi investigator as we cover shooting on ucla in los angeles, california, we know of two victims and do not have any confirmation to their condition.

the shooting takes place while classes were in session in the late morning hours, m likely in. we know again, two victims a little bit more, paul, from that "daily bruin," student-run newspaper. a description is white male, six feet tall added to the black pants and black shirt. that is how things trickle in. >> how did they get the information? is it eyewitness or or from actual eyewitness? where was he, which direction was he headed? all the information i would to know. if they already know who he is. how do they know who he is. connell: paul, thank you for covering this with us. live photos from kabc in los angeles on an engineering building on campus of ucla where there has been a shooting today in the morning on the west coast. two people on campus of ucla from with we understand have been shot. there are two victims of this

shooting. campus newspaper is describing a person wearing black, a black shirt and black pant, six feet tall, a white male, that they say the police are looking for. coverage continues on the fox business network with trish regan. trish? trish: thank you so much. ucla on lockdown. students are being told to get to a secure location after at least two people were injured in a shooting on campus as police right now search for that shooter. i'm trish regan, welcome to "the intelligence report." kttv is reporting that a shooting took place in the engineering building. sources telling fox news that they got a call from ucla security of an active shooter situation, an active shooter on campus and responded by sending officers to the scene. just a short time ago we saw officers, s.w.a.t. team moving into the engineering bld