tv Cavuto Coast to Coast FOX Business June 7, 2016 9:00pm-1:01am EDT
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right now polls are closing in new mexico, south dakota and there's an hour on the clock in montana. there's a lot at stake tonight. over the next several hours we have our all-star team coverage to break it down. hillary clinton, we can confirm has won new jersey. hillary clinton has won new jersey. joining me tonight, lou dobbs, liz claman, kennedy and david asman. lou, first over to you. hillary clinton has now won new jersey, she is the presumptive nominee and it's indeed a historic night, but we're also going to be hearing from donald trump shortly. what do you think he might say? >> well, whatever he says, it appears he is going to do so with the aid of teleprompters, i've heard over the last couple of hours, is reassuring to a lot of republicans and some from the donor class as well. so, it's going to be fascinating. i didn't think i'd ever say this of a candidate, but because he's using those teleprompters, i suspect it's
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going to be a statement of import and even add more excitement and interest to the evening. >> david asman, liz claman, and kennedy are here. we know that chris christie was at trump tower presumably working on this speech with him, david, helping him get everything ready for tonight? >> the blowback from what he said offer the weekend and was strong enough for paul ryan and some people saying they would support trump and not going to. they realize they have to do something. as correct as donald trump might think in his mind he is, as convinced he is that nothing he said could be construed or should be construed as racist, the idea that there are so many people upset by this, is, i think, caused a big pow wow and partly responsible for the teleprompters. the establishment republicans with the trump campaign probably had a lot to do with
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what he's going to say. liz, do you think he had to come out and speak to deflect attention away from comments he made. or an attempt to steal the spotlight or limelight from hillary clinton? >> maybe a little of both, trish. donald trump from the beginning has pretty much repudiated any kind of neoconservative ideas. he's repudiated a lot of the basic republican thought and that's okay because it's brought in new people, at least from his side. but he has to come out probably tonight in part to address the situation. we're not sure-- this is the thing, we're not sure he's taking questions. he's got to come out and smooth thing over and the teleprompter gives us the indication he has to stick to a script. lou: kennedy, can he put this behind him? >> i think he's having had an ared had aer time with this one than some of the other flaps he's created for himself and maybe it's because he doesn't have any republican challengers to bat around and the promises of being so presidential. we've heard that he's going to
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make his own emotional triangulation to be the leader of the free world. when he backs them up with poorly thought out yet thought out statements, he sort of compounds the hole he's dug. can he change it, yeah, he can with the people who believe in him and new voters, he's bringing to the fold. unfortunately, the perceptions are so deep in the latino community, for example, i think there's no way of reversing it. >> there's a question of whether or not he's going to need them. we are going to get to that coming up tonight. and i want to get to connell mcshane covering mr. trump at the westchester county golf course. can you give us a sense of what we might hear? >> not really, trish. this campaign has been tight-lipped today and they always are on days like this. they try to get out ahead of a speech like this, it's extraordinary difficult. you guys pointed out one of the key differences, that being the teleprompter, and that's
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getting a lot of attention. you may make it out from my left shoulder, the lectern where he will be speaking from. this is a different venue. an announcement is being made as i'm speaking to you. ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. a voice of god just told us twice, ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats, mr. trump will be speaking shortly so we're on any minute watch for trump to come out. the ven ooh you -- venue is different. usually the primary season at trump tower. here it's westchester golf course, a little different, more supporters, and louder with the new jersey election results were confirmed and an a clouder cheer went up from the crowd. it's been quite a day, trish, when you add up the republican, not democratic leaders in the senate and the house, the likes of the majority of mitch mcconne
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mcconnell, and mike kirk, and even paul ryan speaking out in one way. and any moment mr. trump is expected to address the crowd with the use of that teleprompter. >> could come in handy tonight. i want to share with viewers, we are getting information from south dakota, it looks as though clinton is in the lead there 54% to sanders 45%. polls just having closed there in south dakota just moments ago. so, we'll continue to watch that south dakota, north dakota, new mexico and of course, the biggie tonight, california. trump has just won south dakota on the republican side, we can confirm this, donald trump has won south dakota. i want to go by to lou, as we await here, donald trump will be speaking in westchester county in new york with the aid of a teleprompter. you know, one of the things, lou, that people love about him is the lack of need for
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something like a teleprompter. he speaks extemporaneously, sometimes it gets him in a little trouble, of course, but people-- his supporters feel as though it's from the heart. how does it change when you suddenly introduce a teleprompter in the equation? >> well, you have a better idea what to say if you convince yourself to using that prompter and each of us has various moments in our workday in which we stray from that. >> indeed. >> and usually to our regret. i'm going to turn it back to you. >> here he comes. >> something is about to happen. >> here he comes flanked by his family at his wide, his wife melania, some of his sons, it looks like, taking to the stage and donald trump at his golf club there in westchester county. he's going to be giving a speech. as we understand, he's actually going to be reading from a teleprompter, let's listen in.
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>> hello. i'd like to begin by thanking the people of montana, south dakota, new mexico, new jersey, and california. we had some big, big days and big numbers coming in, very big numbers. i'm truly honored by your support. together, we accomplish what nobody thought was absolutely possible and you know what that is, we're only getting started and it's going to be beautiful. remember that. [applause] tonight we close one chapter in history and we begin another. our campaign received more primary votes than any g.o.p. campaign in history, no matter who it is, no matter who they are, we received more votes. [applause] >> this is a great feeling, that's a great feeling. this is not a testament to me, but a testament to all of the
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people who believed real change, not obama change, but real change is possible. [applaus [applause] >> you've given me the honor to lead the republican party to victory this fall. we're going to do it. we're going to do it, folks, we're going to do it. i understand the responsibility the carrying the mantle and i will never ever let you down. too much work, too many people, blood, sweat and tears. never going to let you down. i will make you proud of your party and our movement and that's what it is is a movement. now, recent polls have shown that i'm beating hillary clinton and with all of her many problems and the tremendous mistakes she's made and she's made tremendous mistakes, we expect our lead to
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continue to grow and grow substantially. [applaus [applause] >> to everyone who voted for me throughout this campaign, i want to thank you. i want to thank you you very, very much. [applause] >> to those who voted for someone else in either party, i will work hard to earn your support and i will work very hard to earn that support. to all of those bernie sanders voters who have been left out in the cold by a rigged system of superdelegates, we welcome you with open arms. [applaus [applause] >> and by the way, the terrible trade deals that bernie was so vehemently against and he's right on that, will be taken care of far better than anyone ever thought
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possible and that's what i do. we are going to have fantastic trade deals. we're going to start making money and bringing in jobs. [applaus [applause] >> now, i know some people say i'm too much of a fighter. my preference is always peace, however. and i've shown that. i've shown that for a long time. i've built an extraordinary business on relationships and deals that benefit all parties involved, always. my goal is always, again, to bring people together. but if i'm forced to fight for something he really care about, i will never ever back down and our country will never ever back down. [applaus [applause] >> i fought for my family, i
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fought for my business. i fought for my employees. and now, i'm going to fight for you, the american people, like nobody has ever fought before. [applaus [applause] >> and i'm not a politician fighting, i'm me. you're going to see some real good things happen. [applause] >> just remember this, i'm going to be your champion, i'm going to be america's champion because, you see, this election isn't about republican or democrat, it's about who runs this country, the special interests or the people, and i mean the american people. [applaus [applause] >> every election year politicians promise change. obama promised change and it didn't work out too well and
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every year they fail to deliver. why would politicians want to change a system that's totally rigged in order to keep them in power, it's what they're doing, folks? why would politicians want to change a system that's made them and their friends very, very wealthy? i beat a rigged system by winning with overwhelming support the only way you could have done it, landslides all over the country with every demographic on track to win 37 primary caucus victories in a field that began with 17 very talented people. after years of disappointment, there's one thing we all have learned. we can't fix the rigged system by relying on very-- and i mean this so, so strongly, on the very people who rigged it and they rigged it and do not ever think
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anything differently. we can't solve our problems by relying on the candidates who created our problems. the clintons have turned the politics of enrichment into an art form for themselves. [applaus [applause] >> they've made hundreds of millions of dollars selling access, selling favors, selling government contracts, and i mean hundreds of millions of dollars. secretary clinton even did all of the work on a totally illegal private server. something that how she's getting away with this, folks, nobody understands. designed to keep her corrupt dealings out of the public record, putting the security of the entire country at risk, and a president in a corrupt system
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is totally protecting her. not right. i am going to give a major speech on probably monday of next week, and we're going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the clintons. i think you're going to find it very informative. [applause] i wonder if the press will want to attend? who knows? hillary clinton turned the state department into her private hedge fund. the russians, the saudis, the chinese, all gave money to bill and hillary and got favorable treatment in return. it's a sad day in america when foreign governments with deep pockets have more influence in our own country than our great citizens. i didn't need to do this, it's not easy, believe me, i didn't
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need to do it, but i felt i had to give back to our wonderful country, which has been so good to me and to my family. [applause] i traveled to many of our states and have seen the suffering in people's eyes. i've visited communities in new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, connecticut, indiana, and ohio whose manufacturing jobs, they've literally, the jobs have virtually disappeared. an embarrassment to our country and it's horrible. i've embraced the victims of illegal immigration, moms and dads, who have had to bury their own children because of people that shouldn't have been in the country. remember it, folks, remember it. [applaus
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[applause] >> i visited the crumbling cities and the struggling schools. i've seen our dilapidated airports, highways, bridges, and i've compared them to other countries where we see facilities so far superior to ours, it's really not to be believed. hard to imagine what's happened to our country. america is getting taken apart piece by piece. auctioned off and just rapidly, auctioned off to the highest bidder. we're broke. we're broke. we owe $19 trillion going quickly to $21 trillion. our infrastructure is a disaster. our schools are failing. crime is rising. people are scared. the last they think we need is hillary clinton in the white house or an extension of the obama disaster.
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[applaus [applause] >> trump, trump, trump, trump, trump, trump! >> what a crowd, what a crowd, thank you all very much. we love our country. we love our country. but we can turn this all around. we're going to do it by putting america first. that commitment is the foundation for change that's been missing and it's been missing for a long time. it's important to understand what america first means. it means on foreign policy, we will never enter into any conflict unless it makes us safer as a nation. it has to make us safer as a nation.
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this is-- this is the opposite of hillary's foreign policy, which invaded libya, destabilized iraq, unleashed isis, and threw syria into chaos and created the mass migration which is wreaking havoc all over the world and while putting iran on the path to nuclear weapons and making them a dominant power in the middle east. and they are dominant and we have made them that way, folks, we have made them that way. better hope i'm president. [applause] >> trump, trump, trump, trump! >> on trade, america first means the american worker will have his or her job protected from unfair foreign competition. what's happening there is absolutely a disgrace. no bpp you're right about that.
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and so you mean-- and we are going-- remember this, we are only going to have great trade deals, okay? we are only going to have that. we're not going to approve, as somebody just said, the trans-pacific partnership, which is a disaster, a disaster for our country. almost as bad as nafta, signed by bill clinton, which is just stripped our country of our factories and our manufacturing, and moved them to other places, in particular mexico. if it's not a great deal for our country, we will not sign it. it's got to be great for our country, for our community, for everybody in here because, believe me, we are all suffering and we're suffering b bigley and it's getting worse. on any policy, america first is opening up america's great potential to bring wealth and prosperity to our own workers,
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including our wonderful and hor horde-- hard working minors who have been totally mistreated by this administration. [applaus [applause] >> on economic policy, america first means having tax and regulatory policies that keep jobs and wealth in the united states, substantially lowering taxes for middle class americans and businesses, likewise, regulation, which is strangling our economy, which would be brought down from its present insane level, we will make it very, very good for our companies, for our small businesses and for people that want to survive and do well in our country. [applaus [applause] >> on immigration policy, america first means protecting the jobs, wages and securities
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of american workers, whether first or tenth generation. no matter who we are, we're going to protect your job. let me tell you, our jobs are being stripped from our country like we're babies. the beauty of america first is that it brings us altogether. every american worker of every background is entitled to the same benefits, protections and rights and privileges, it's got to be that way. now, the people in charge say things can't change. i'm here today to tell you, that we have to change. we have no choice. we have to change. we're going to put-- >> trump! >> thank you. we're going to put america back to work. we're going to make our own products. we're going to put america back to work. [applaus [applause] >> we're going to rebuild our inner cities which are
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absolutely a shame and so sad. we are going to take care of our african-american people that have been mistreated for so long. [applause] >> we are going to make you and your family safe, secure, and prosperous. prosperous, again. together, we will put the american people first again. first again. [applaus [applause] >> we will make our communities wealthy. we will make our cities safe again. we will make our country strong again. ladies and gentlemen, we will make america great again, remember, thank you. [applause] >> thank you. >> . lo lou:-- all right, you've been listening to donald trump at
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briarcliff manor, promising to be t that he'll not let the country down. and the issues on every voter's mind. lou dobbs, your thought on what we heard? >> i thought it was a brilliant moment for donald trump who has gone through moments not so brilliant of late. he actually spoke, i thought, eloquently, about new directions for his rhetoric, he's focusing on america. he's speaking to americans. i love the way he concluded in his cadence, america first, when talking about foreign policy. that is going to be clearly the message from here on. there's been reticence on some part of the campaign to use that. it's clear they have gotten over that and they're going to go with it as the powerful statement that it is. >> putting ourselves first.
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i want to bring into the conversation right now, former governor and former 2016 g.o.p. presidential candidate, mike huckabee, for his thoughts. governor, we heard a lot, again, on the economy, on the need for us to be very selective in terms of the international conflicts we endanger ourselves in. what's your sense of how he fared tonight? >> sometimes we say we've got to make the main thing the main thing. well, tonight he made the main thing the main thing and he got back on track of being the donald trump that has won all of these primaries and captured the imagination and attention of voters. they don't care about the stuff that's on the periphery, whether it's something involving some civil lawsuit or some accusation, they don't care. they care about jobs.
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because you have got somebody who from the start, hillary clinton was as you say coordinated possibly and she really had it all. she won the first time against obama, had come close, no cigars and you look at all of this and you say how she getting beaten by a guy from brooklyn to over lower east side he's a socialist 73 years old but there a lot of components in this campaign that made it fascinating of both sides. right now as you sip your new weight she may very well make history as the presumptive nominee, the first female ever. is she speaking early to so-called trump to marginalize bernie and california? >> east coast viewers will sit there and watch. soon she has had her victory speech. it will be hard to come out with a victory speech if bernie is coming close to winning in california. c she is also trying to appeal to the black voters in california who are voting on their way home from work so
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there are still plenty of people and if they hear oh wow she has won what's the point, maybe i won't vote for bernie. maybe i will vote for her and say that i was part of history. >> donald trump has just announced that next week on monday perhaps he is going to have a speech that lays out the corruption of the clinton family and the clinton foundation and hillary clinton comes out and says the same day i'm going to have a speech talking about my foreign-policy ordinary domestic policy or lowering of the corporate income tax. what people are going to be watching and talking about it. that point she's got to find a way of matching his energy and shock factor insofar she hasn't done it. c it's a challenge for her. i mean he knows how to dominate the news cycle, for better or for worse that she is just not able to command the headlines that he generates.
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>> her campaign church making fun of donald trump's campaign, 73 pool -- 73 people and all that's his organization running the campaign. they have outsmarted and then far more nimble and have driven this news coverage in the cycles with whatever the subject, the element of the agenda they wanted and for whatever else whether you are for or against trump he has been a genius at fixing the issues that matter to the middle class, to the voters and that's where the republicans have attracted 5 million more voters in this primary season than the democrats. >> you just said grabbing the headlines and he has for better or worse than able to grab the headlines but what kind of headlines? calling an indiana judge a mexican even though he was born in indiana has diverted a lot of attention of real issues he could times could do at hillary with such as the economy and
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what he articulated in this speech to listen this cycle a little too late because people are still focused. >> you think about all the faux pas he made along the way. think about what he said about mexicans. he is toast and what do you know he climbs even higher in the polls. this is a guy. lou: and mccain now supports him. >> remarkable -- remarkable right? you look times look at this incident and you say maybe this justice another. >> passwords different. i don't think you have a pool of veteran voters who are as critical of the latino vote in this country. it makes up 50% of voters in l.a. county. that's a huge number and i don't think donald trump thinks he's going to win l.a. county and he probably doesn't think doesn't think is going to in california but it's going to be airy hard to become the next president of the united states alessi were going after a much larger portion of the voting public. i think he really locks on this
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issue since friday. there has been a fixation from both sides. it was so needless for him. if he had sat back and let her be gobbled up by republicans and bernie sanders it would have been would have been way better move but instead he put so many members of his own party demolishing him regardless if you think it's a breach of protocol. hillary clinton that's the one win she has had is turning that into campaign. lou: another unemployment report that is absolutely dismal the worst anomalous six years. plenty of this opportunity but none that can be retrieved. what we saw tonight in that speech which i thought was absolutely terrific was a man who is saying okay i have had enough adventure. i'm going to return to the teleprompter. i'm going to stay on message. and he was all business tonight. >> do you think he was showing mitch mcconnell and paul ryan that he was capable of doing that? lou: no question about it
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because the donor class in particular we know they were very nervous indeed so from this misadventure of three days he returns. what you saw is a guy i think we are going to see through the rest of this. >> don't forget one of his lines from the speech, if i'm forced to fight for something i care about i will never back down and he indicated he would never back down and he was fighting for america. i want to report right now bernie sanders has won north dakota. bernie sanders. lou: wow. c there you go. we have a lot of polling data out there that suggest that hillary clinton ursus donald trump will indeed be a very tight race, a tough one so if we were to look ahead to november. or bolton joins us right now. deirdre: trish we are going to spend way forward and assume in november it is hillary clinton
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verses donald trump it what i wanted to do was pull up this map from the last race of this is 2012 times 12. there it is so obviously and blue times blew you have states that obama won an inbred the states that won so we want to say okay if donald trump is taking on hillary clinton which states does he have to win to win it times it all? it really comes down to three key states worth noting. hillary clinton is going to be campaigning in two of them next week but i'm just going to show you the map. basically trump basically trump would have to win all the red states that you see here and then add in pennsylvania and you will see that number on the lower corner change. ohio and florida and he gets to choose -- to 273, 270 with three to spare. this is using the example of the last time around and adding three as far as what that would mean however as you know we are still very much focused on california and i just wanted to bring this up to show you some of the counties we will be
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focused on this evening. i'm going to put it in present day and on the democratic side. we will be focused on silicon valley. a lot of libertarians there. hard to tell how they're going to vote that all these counties in here and above l.a. county you have ventura and you have the senator from vermont spending a lot of time there also a big libertarian stronghold. deirdre: trish: thank you deirdre.restink this race has the possibility of redefining the parties as we currently know them. if you think about for example the union workers that have lost their jobs david to mexico or to china and trump is speaking that language in a way that frankly the democratic nominee is going to have a challenging time. david: we have been there before. 1980 ronald reagan dipped into the union does any good at first with the teamsters and other union representatives. now of course after the war on
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coal from the obama administration hillary's commitment to continue that war and even intensify that war and perhaps go it gets other fossil fuels as well certainly in the fracking industry of natural gas and even the oil industry, we are going from tens of thousands of jobs that were lost to millions of jobs are there a lot of union votes tied into particular industries that democrats have gone after and hillary has committed herself to go after. ronald reagan showed that it's possible for republicans to get solid union support. i think donald trump is showing the same thing. lou: union members the rank and file our art is showing signs of fulfilling exactly what david is suggesting for the general election and that's got to be encouraging to trump to the republican party. the other part of this is the party will be reshaped i think as you suggest, de facto.
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you are looking at 5 million more votes right now than the democrats. trump's already got more votes than any republican candidate in history and he is being carved out by the members of the previous ticket viciously and it is making very little dent in his favorability or disregard. it is absolutely what the doctor ordered. he's got the establishment of both parties going after him validating his message, validating themselves. this is the year of the outsider. deirdre: tricia made the point of the union vote in how it might be in play. normally might have gone to democrats but you look at the west belted a and some of those, they really listen closely to both the bernie sanders and the donald trump message that bernie is no longer an option and do
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they go to trump? deirdre: i think he is a solid shot particularly in ohio and has a venue. i think florida is way check here for him because of the latino vote and latinos and african-americans obviously overwhelmingly -- granted those close polls are going to change. they could fluctuate so much between now and november. lou: i'm glad you didn't say the early days. deirdre: he's also fighting one of the most inept national candidates we have ever seen regardless of gender. david: the latino vote in florida is primarily cuban not mexican. that makes a big difference between cubans historically are is not republican at least against a lot of the democratic policies that favored fidel castro and his cronies in cuba. lou: is trump demonstrated so he had a landslide in florida.
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>> in the general election only talk about the latino population to your point there's a very large cuban population there in the miami-dade county area and they tend to be conservative. so i don't know how you see them cross over to hillary clinton and less they feel fundamentally california has the most electoral votes, 55. they have a huge hispanic but more mexican appalacian. the mexican population may in big numbers go straight for hillary clinton because of this recent controversies so you may possibly see that cancel out. trish: when you talk about 5 million voters that have come into the system is that enough to ask if donald trump will be able to represent them? lou: i think they're two different different statements. one is how well he is doing
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attracting new folks to the republican party. the other issue is what can he do with these demographic groups and republicans whether they like it or not are in the political arena and he is going to have to appeal to the groups many of home he has already insulted. now he is the certainly doesn't alienate them. kennedy: how can he do that? lou: deirdre bolton just showed us. compare mitt romney to donald trump, are you kidding me? all he has to do is win the states that mitt romney won in 2012 and in pennsylvania, ohio and florida. that simply negates the influence of the most populous state with the greatest number of electoral votes. california doesn't matter. if i can very quickly here's another little factor. romney lost by 5 million votes.
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5 million of those votes were in new york and california and most people i talk with believe that trump can actually put new york in play. trish: is going to be very interesting indeed. i want to remind everyone we are but it's way from hillary clinton's historic address happening in brooklyn new york and we are 60 minutes away from the big-ticket states tonight. bernie sanders in california. keep it here. s the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles. super poligrip is part of my life now.
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stanek this is coverage of election 2016. here's trish regan. trish: we have the polls closing in montana, 21 delegates up for grabs there. we are keeping an eye on it for you and then there's this. victories this hour in new mexico and south dakota. donald trump has now surpassed a new milestone in the republican presidential primary contest. he now has enough bound delegates alone to clinch the g.o.p. nomination. bernie just winning moments ago in north dakota picking up 18 delegates there but california of course is the big-ticket tonight. that's the one he needs to win. i want to go right at the bernie sanders surrogate to get a sense of how he thinks the night is going to go for the vermont
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senator. i know you are one of his supporters. how do you think he's going to fare? >> think you will be able to pull this off in california? >> is going to win in california. he's been doing nothing but california for a couple of weeks now. i was helping california pushing and campaigning for him especially in our community really saw a lot of energy and a lot of diverse communities essentially arab-american and muslim-american communities which california has a high population. we think we are going to push out the vote. i think he's going to do well in california. trish: what happens if he doesn't tonight? >> we don't like to think about those things but if he doesn't win california i think we will see some reassessment and his campaign but i think he's going to in california and i think -- it will send a clear message. trish: do you think you will get out? >> i can't speak for him. those of us in the bernie camp want him to keep pushing forward
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with our message our message in goals and hopefully get the nomination by the fall short of that to at least change the platform, change the structure of the way things are done so those of us who have now come into this move in and for many of us is the first time we have been involved as strongly in a presidential election, that we stay involved in the future. trish: i have a quick question senator sanders has gone on the record talking about the clinton foundation corruption. how much does he regret giving hillary clinton a pass on the e-mail's? >> locally who knows what's going to happen with that in the next few weeks. but look i think bernie has always said he doesn't want to get into those kinds of things. he was staying on his economic message and his message about social justice, gnome are military interventionism like places in the middle east. i think maybe they decided a long time ago that going down that route might not be politically beneficial.
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kennedy: if you are talking about justice a politician who is being that corrupt and currying favor with foreign government by trading favors how could that not speak to senator sanders message directly? >> well i think he is talked about, taking the e-mail society is talked about her judgment foreign affairs and is talked about some of the relationships he has had. he is talked about her relationship to wall street lobbies in the corruption they are. these things have been a central part of our campaign for a while. david: let me ask if those issues of corruption have been addressed by bernie and have not been addressed by hillary clinton and talking about the clinton foundation and is concerned about all those millionaire individuals and in fact governments some of whom are. disdainful but contribute to the clinton foundation. does it all add up to perhaps
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you consider not voting for hillary clinton if she is not the nominee? >> i've said a few times on fox personally i'm not at the point right now where i would -- would vote for hillary clinton. i'm not going to vote for donald trump either ricci is not shown a lot of us in the sanders campus she takes her concerns seriously. she did have given up the transcripts out the transcripts over wall street speeches and she didn't do that so we are really -- i think she's a vulnerable candidate can donald trump anything she's the only person left in the race that could lose to donald trump and that really worries me as a bernie sanders supporter and someone who would not support donald trump either. trish: in a head-to-head mass -- matchup and away it seems like he's just waiting around the hoop at this point especially the loses california. let's say he does and i know it's not a prospect you like to look at but what does he want? what would fulfill him next to
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at least not getting the nomination? what would fulfill him as far as a role in a hillary presidency would do? >> my guess i don't think he wants a formal role in her presidency or her campaign. mike guess would be changing the platform, that's why he put a lot of people on the platform committee. changing the structure of the way these things works at in the future may be having open primaries across the border not having close primary systems that marginalize a lot of americans. the general election most americans are not registered to any democratic party or to any party on either side and in the general election those independent votes sidelined him from a primary process doesn't make much sense but that's the message is putting forward. think of what he's done it a process where he hasn't been part of this party his whole life where the party has had hillary hudson as the nominee for basically eight years all the structure was behind her. 400 superdelegates to support r before there was a vote cast in iowa and look how well he is
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done under the circumstances. it's really monumental and we know she is a weak candidate. if this thing was going on for a couple more months he would surpass her. unfortunately calendar is what it is. we still think we are going to in california and that's going to be strong argument going into philadelphia. lou: is there throughout the campaign some considerable regret? as close as the senator is to the secretary now that he did not early, because it turns out he's the only one in the last six months he would have had the opportunity to actually cross examine the secretary on public corruption. that is the old clinton global initiative. to cross examine her in those debates on the e-mails and wouldn't he see that and wouldn't you as the responsibility of the candidate who supports him to go to his
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opposition and do his very best? >> well i would say the strategy that he cap i think works very well. like i said in a system that marginalizes from the beginning he performed very well. i don't know for sure but that strategy would have helped him. i do think he did talk about corruption when he was talking about wall street and super pac that to many of us, i don't think bernie sanders has shied away from calling hillary clinton directly or indirectly. lou: he called her on all the public corruption that is on its face the clinton global initiative while she was secretary of state. that is a matter of federal investigation now. the e-mails, matter of federal investigation. both of those issues he seems to me at lisa and i would like to hear your opinion, could have been strongly influential in his favor. >> you know i think they could
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have put again when you are dealing in a primary system were a lot of things are close to think that was part of the calculation too. almost everybody voting in these primaries has to been produced or democrat or democrat maybe that line of attack wouldn't be as effective as a would have a general election or primary system where everything is open. i think that was taken into account that these things are real issues. the fbi's good to come down the something probably before the convention. think james comey was asked about a security review of hillary clinton's e-mails a couple of weeks ago. trish: it's trish again. it is the party going to open up the case? bernie sanders one-shot might be her being indicted. >> i think if you are an american who doesn't want donald trump to win the presidency then you want bernie sanders to stay in this thing all the way through the convention. trish: i think i'm hearing i guess you would mind seeing an indictment creates.
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>> i want bernie sanders to be the nominee. david: what about joe biden? couldn't joe biden step in there? a lot of democratic establishment types suggest that >> i think it's something like that happened and hillary clinton couldn't be the nominee of to be senator sanders. he has put all this work into the campaign and is not a marginal upon it. he is done 45 to 46% of the delegates. he's the new direction the party in the country. trish: thank you so much it's good to have you here. we appreciate it. let's talk about the economy now because this is the number one issue in this election is clear we are in an economy that's barely growing. there's a lot of frustration. americans believe washington has done very little to help that. so who is the best candidate right now to lead the economy? is that hillary clinton are donald trump? john paul dejoria joins us now on the kind of leadership skills he is looking for in a
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president. john welcome. >> thank you. what an amazing country. first of all we need candidates that people love. when you see a disapproval rating in the 30s or the 40s on each side needs a majority of those people don't like the candidates. we have never had this in the united states but let's take a look at the economies we are talking about right now. america is strong. our economy is not going down, it's not shooting up but it's holding its own. and looking at what -- are doing in other industries are doing. what they are doing is they are tightening up and getting ready to have more of an increase in the months. why are they going to do this? there are serious problems in nation serious problems going on in europe right now. all the focus has been like little children the clintons. kennedy: here you are saying the
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economy hanging on but when you add inflation into the equation it's really not. people have lasted a then they did eight years ago and when you look at wages adjusted for inflation it hasn't budged in 20 years and i will tell you what has budged as the hot cost if housing. peoples houses are going up in food prices have gone up so the spending power that americans have this challenge right now. it doesn't feel so good. >> let me put it a little bit different way. there is more money out there to be spent and invested. that is what is stabilized right now. what is going to make it jump in the months to come in the years to come is that our middle class and those that are just trying to reach the middle class now have more spendable income so what we really need is somebody in there -- trish: it's easy for a billionaire to say this. you have got a lot more money to most people watching tonight
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that people don't feel like they have more money. if you want to talk about more money out there i get it. the federal reserve is printing away and we have more money in the federal reserve than ever before but that's not helping your average american. we want to announce right now trump has taken montana crossing "fox news" can confirm. trump has montana. you are painting a very rosy picture of things and i've got to tell you when i talk to people in the middle of the country they don't feel the same way you do. >> i just met with a group that i'm a member of. there are about 150 of us in office make a good amount of money. we have pledged during her lifetime after we die to making the world in our country a better place to live and we are doing it. you don't hear about it a lot. trish: that's good to hear but back to the central issue here which is the state of the economy and americans don't feel good about itself who does that give a bandage to right now? hillary clinton are donald
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trump? >> either one. neither one. absolutely none because they're not even going in that direction. but i wanted to go on to forget if you take a look at the economies of the world the united states of america is more stable now than europe or asia. trish: you are not exactly holding yourself up to a high standard given where europe is and asia. kennedy: its candidate. at the core question for you. i love seeing these billionaires pledge majority of their fortune to this sort of private landscape but i think it makes the world better place however when you see a majority people making over $100,000 you don't have $1000 on hand for any sort of emergencies expenditure is difficult to make the case that people have more money, at their disposal right now. as trish said people are hurting
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more now than they were eight years ago. they can't borrow money, they can't -- businesses in this country are folding faster than they are created and that's having a huge impact. >> that is 100% correct but the more people talk about everything that's bad in everything that's going down they don't realize things are stabling out and they are going to get better. things will get worse. whatever the mind believes and concedes the mind to achieve. if we were together things will get better. many of us don't even think about it. trish: maybe something from washington. lou: i'm sort of shocked that you embrace donald trump a fellow billionaire. i would think you'd be the most comfortable with him. i would be one part of it and the other part is bringing out to me if you look to economics adjusting their some sort of telekinesis outwork that we
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might be doing experiments in moving the economy ahead i wish it would work. you can't seriously mean that you think the author of this economy which middle-class households who have negative net worth from where they were a decade ago whose wages have been stagnant is somehow an improvement over where we were when barack obama took office. >> no sir i did not say that. i said it looks like it's stabilizing but it's stabilizing the right and our economy is stabilizing. not growing anywhere but stabilizing and the next thing that takes place or people to have more jobs and money out there people out to contribute to that. so i see nothing in the last eight years other than that it went down back to stabilization. lou: you want to give hillary
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clinton a third term of barack obama? >> absolutely not. trish: if given the choice between hillary and donald trump are you not going to vote? is barely so one-sided tips the balance for you at all? >> what i'm look forward to and a lot of others is somebody jumping in as the third candidate. trish: it might be a little late for it. >> well i don't know. abraham lincoln, room number and abraham lincoln was elected on the third term. he was the number one choice. lou: how did that work out, john? >> he became president of united states. lou: and we had a civil war. trish: we are going to stop a
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minute that hillary walks up but what kind of leadership you need to see? >> somebody that doesn't lie and you see a lot of politicians with all due respect mr. trump mr. trump -- lou: and what about obama? the same thing. i don't o'brady energy is coming from in the republican party to talk about third-party candidates as your dancing torture convention but the idea that there should be some greater standard for donald trump than there has been for barack obama to me as absolutely peculiar. >> i'm not excited about either candidate right now that seemed to be the front-runners. lou: who do you like? >> neither. trish: what about the libertarian presidential nominee? >> i don't know enough about him all i know is --
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trish: this economic issue is a biggie and i know john you see it old differently but usm the economy has stabilized and is just not growing. the reality is we are growing. we are adding to our population thankfully every day. new babies being born and immigration. >> there is evidence that is slowing down. >> it's grown to the tune of 300,000 jobs a month. >> if you're coasting, there's an old phrase if you are coasting you are going downhill. we may be coasting but that's not good enough. economically as well. one good thing about where this campaign is right now i think or were it will turn despite donald trump talking about the clinton
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foundation on monday we will talk about economic policy. hillary clinton does feel free to give a nod to the senators and talk about her lowering the corporate tax. and wanting to put that as part of her campaign. the fact that we will begin to talk about economic holiday i think it's a good thing and some of john paul's concerns will be addressed. trish: and trade very much on the agenda now. >> minimum wage will go up which is what our country needs for we the people. it's got to go up. lou: states or already doing that john as you know. that's what led to the bad unemployment figures on friday. you are talking about an interesting relationship. trish: bring on the robot. we are awaiting hillary clinton a historic day the first time that women has topped the ticket of a major party for president. she will be speaking there in
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brooklyn at her campaign headquarters. we are here with onto jury out and the team talking about the economy and who the advantage goes to. who do you think it goes to? it's amazing that the three people standing are all new yorkers in some way, shape or form. entrepreneur businessman bernie sanders born in new york. lou: what could possibly go wrong? >> which one of those three has new york values that me -- maybe the most palatable by the rest of the electorate out of your? trish: into people look at hillary clinton and they say you are making hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of dollars in places like goldman sachs? i can identify with that. you demonize some of the women involved with your husband and that doesn't fly very well with the younger feminists in this country.
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david: there is a false impression in the last election when nobody voted for because they couldn't identify with him. of course they couldn't identify with him but the fact is there are a lot of rich and wealthy successful people that american people can identify with. and that is donald trump a guy who was born into wealth double, triple and quad triple that wealth on his own accord but has to think a more direct connection to the people because of his anti-political talk and is -- a lot of other things than the other candidates. trish: and he assures that part of that wealth. it's not that part of who we are as americans? lou: we are but think what we have not been. we were not during the great depression. we have the time to get through here and trump interestingly did an aside when he was on prompter. he turned he turned and he
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looked at the group and he said you had better hope i am president which is a charming aside i think but also one that i think a lot of people believe is a true emotion on his part and they share it. this is a timer we have got to return to economic growth. i think we all agree on that. trish: hillary clinton is shaking some hands as she makes her way to the podium to adjust the crowd. lou you are absolutely right. there's a quality to him that frankly she struggles with. she struggles with connecting to people in a way that her husband was able to do well. lou: you know what's an interesting thing terse, she was criticized the other day because stein -- he's going to vote for him but no one has mentioned her economic policy and her first
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decision to assign her husband responsibility. trish: for the most important issue. lou: the most important issue to americans. kennedy: that's when the quinnipiac poll donald trump is trusted more in economy and she is trusted more in foreign policy and is pushing it a foreign-policy speech in san diego. she's trying to pivot to the area of expertise. >> she knows the foreign-policy. the foreign-policy establishment connector with all these crony capitalist around the world. it creates a firewall with the media. trish: eight years ago she was supposed to be it. it didn't happen. she sort of faded into the background there for while and then became part of the administration and now this seems to be her time, her moment.
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hillary clinton becoming the first woman. lou: you have to give credit to barack obama because he made her possible having brought his rival into his demonstrations. trish: let's see if she mentions the 18 million. to what looks like hundreds of supporters there waving their american flags, this is a very big night for hillary clinton. manage that she has worked years to achieve. >> >> oops. >> mic is not working. >> let's see if they bring audio up on her microphone. we can hear her, hopefully, now. [cheers and applause]
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>> you have taken with me and i am so grateful to you, it is wonderful to be back in brooklyn here in this beautiful building. [cheers and applause] it may be hard to see tonight. but we are all standing under a glass ceiling right now. but don't worry, we're not smashing this one. thanks to you, we have reached a milestone. first time -- the first time in our nation's history that i woman will be a major party
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nominee. [cheers and applause] tonight victory is not about one person. it belongs to generations of women and men who struggled and sacrificed and made this moment possible. in our country it started right here in new york, a place called sens -- senica falls. when a small but determined group of women and men came together with the that women deserved equal rights, they set it forth, it of the
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first time in human history that that kind of declaration occurred. so we all owe so much to those who came before, and tonight belongings to all of you. [cheers and applause] i want to thank all of the volunteers, community leaders issue the activists and organizers, who supported our campaign in every state, and territory. and thanks to our friends in new jersey for such a resounding victory. thanks for talking to your
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neighbors, for making contributions, your efforts have produced a strong majority of the popular vote, victories in the majority of the contest. and after tonight, a majority of pledged delegates. [cheers and applause] i want to thank all of the people across our country who have taken the time to talk with me. i i have learned a lot about you, i have learned about those problems and unfinished promise of america that you are living with. so many of you feel like you are out there on your own. that no one has your back. well, i do. i hear you. i see you. and as your president, i will always have your back.
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[cheers and applause] i want t congratulate senator ss for the extraordinary campaign he has done. he has spend his long career in public service, fighting for progressive causes and principles, he hasek cited -- excited millions of voters, let there be mo mistake, senator sanders, his campaign, and the debate that we have had, about how to raisin come, reduce inequality, increase upward mobility have been very good for the democratic party and for americ
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america. this has been a hard-fought, deeply felt campaign. but whether you supported me, or senator sanders, or one of the republicans, we all need to keep working toward a better, fairer, stronger america. now i know it never feels good to put your heart into a cause or a candidate you believed in, and to come up short. i know that feeling well. but as we look ahead -- [cheers and applause] as we look ahead, to the battle that await, let's remember all that unites us, we all want an economy with more opportunity where wall street can never wreck main street again, we all
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want a government that listens to the people, not the power brokers, which means, getting unaccountable bone ou money outf politics, we want a society that is inclusive and fair, we believe that america succeeds when more people share in our prosperity, more people have a voice in our political system, when more people can contribute to their communities, we believe that cooperation is better than conflict. unity is better than division. empower am is better than resentment. and bridges are better than walls. [cheers and applause] it is a simple but powerful
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idea. we believe that we are stronger together. and the states in this e-- the stakes in this elect are high, and the choice is clear. donald trump is temperamentally unfit to be president and commander in chief. and he is not just trying to build a wall between america and mexico. he is trying to wall off americans from each other. when he says let's make america great again, that is code for, let's take america backwards. back to a time when opportunity and dignity were reserved for some, not all.
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promising his supporters an economy that he cannot recreate. we however, we want to write the next chapter in american greatness, with a 21st century prosperity that lifts everyone who has been left out and left behind, including those who may not vote for us, but who deserve their chance to make a new beginning. [cheers and applause] when donald trump says, a judge, born in indiana, can't do his job, because of his mexican heritage, or he mocks a reporter with disabilities, or calls
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women pigs, it goes against everything we stand for. we want an american where everyone is trted with respect and their work is valued. it is clear that donald trump does not believe we're stronger together. he has abused his primary opponents and their families, attacked press for asking tough questions, den graded muslims and immigrants we want toed win by smoking fear and -- stoking fear and rubbing salt in wounds, and reminding us daily just how great he is. well, we believe we should lift each other up, not tear each
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other down. [cheers and applause] we believe we need to give americans a raise not complain that hard working people's wages are too high. we believe we need to help young people struggling with student debt, not pile more on our national debt with give aways to the super wealthy. we believe we need to make america the clean energy super power of 21st century, not insist that climate change is a hoax. to be great, we can't be small, we have to be as big as the values that define america. and we are a big hearted, fair
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minded country. we teach our children that this is one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [cheers and applause] not just for people who look a certain way, or worship a certain way or love a certain way. for all. indivisible. this election is not however about the same old fights between democrats and republicans. this election is different. it really is about who we are as a nation. it is about millions of americans coming together to say we're better than this. we won't let this happen in
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america. [cheers and applause] if you agree, whether you are a democrat, republican or independent, i hope you will join us, in just a few weeks, we will meet in philadelphia which gave birth to our nation back in that hot summer of 1776. those early patriots knew they would all rise or fall together. well today that is more true than ever. our campaign will take this message to every corner of our country. we're stronger when our economy works for everyone, not just those at the top. with good paying jobs and good schools, in every zip code, and a real commitment to all families and all regions of our nation.
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[cheers and applause] we are stronger when we work with our allies in the world, to keep us safe. we're stronger when we respect each other, listen to each other, and act with a sense of common purpose. we're stronger when every family, and every community knows they are not on their own. because we are in this together. it really does take a village to raise a child. and to build a stronger future for us all. i learned this a long time ago from the biggest influence in my life issue my mother, she was my rock from the day i was born. till the day he is lef xi jinpi-
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she left us, somehow managed not to become bitter or broken, my mother believed that life is about serving others. and she taught me never to back down from a bully, which it turns out was pretty good advi advice. this past saturday, would have been her 97th birthday, she was born june 4, 1919, some of you may know the significance on that date, on the very day, congress was passing the 19th amendment to the constitution.
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that amendment finally gave women the right to vote. i really wish my mother could be here tonight. i wish she could see what a wonderful mother chelsea has become and could meet our beautiful grand daughter charlotte. and i wish she could see her daughter become the democratic party's nominee. [cheers and applause] so, yes, yes, there are still ceilings to break for women and men, for all of us, but don't let anyone tell you that great
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things can't happen in america. barriers come down, justice and equality can win. our history has moved in that direction slowly at times but thanks to generations of americans, who refuse to give up or back down. now you are writing a new chapter of that story. this campaign is about making sure there are no ceilings, no limits on any of us. and this is our moment to come together. so please join our campaign, volunteer, go to hillary clinton.com, contribute what you can. text join, 47246. help us organize in all 50
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states. every phone call you make, every door you knock on, will move us forward. now i am going to take a moment later tonight and the days ahead to fully absorb the history we've made here. but what i care about most is the history our country has yet to write. our children and grand children will look back at this time, at the choices we are about to make, the goals we will strive for, the principles we will live by. and we need to make sure that they can be proud of us. the end of the primaries is only the beginning of the work we're calls to do, but if we stand together we will rise together.
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because we are stronger together. let's go out and make that case to america, thank you, god bless you, and god les bless america. >> a historic night for hillary clinton she thanks her supporters and talks about a bit of a history lesson, about women achieverring what she has accomplishes, she also did not mince words for donald trump, taking aim at him, talking about importance of unity and who we are as a country, but she has a real challenge ahead, we have seen from poll data, that has the two in a tight race. meanwhile, as much as she is now the presumptive nominee for the democratic party, she still has california hanging on right there, 15 minutes to go until polls close in california. a lot of people are thinking bernie sanders potentially could
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win it, if he does, he is not going away. maybe unless she gets up indict, is that what he is thinking of. congressman from california darrell issa. a lot of people have wondered why bernie sanders is in it as long as he has been, one theory has been, that she may be indicted and that is what he is hoping for, your thoughts on that, is it coming? >> well, it a reason to stay in the race. if he dropped out he might be denied in favor of joe biden, if someone except for superdelegates could have won if they flipped other way, this first as far as i know ever, presidential nominee, as she is tonight, presumptive, that will be under an active fbi investigation for what is the
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inspector general appointed by president obama, said was in fact out right wrong doing, breaking of rules backed by law, including 2000 classified documents, if she is not indicted it will be an amazing twist of the law, that you can bring the law and not be indicted even when an independent inspector general appoint by president obama found that you out right were dishonest and every aspect, including did not cooperate with the investigation. >> congressman, president obama has every incentive to make sure she is not indicted in this, you can really trust that the process is going to work as it should? given that we're in such a political environment right now? >> well, you know, i think denying bernie sanders the nomination by you know by not indicting her may do a service to the president, because he gets his nominee, but the
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reality, is that she is a flawed candidate, that the american people know. is a criminal. you know, here is challenge right now, right now you have a socialist. >> i am jumping in, because, you know a lot of people, yourself included think that she is a criminal, but you know she has not actually been indicted or tried in a court of law, we should be careful with that language. >> no, and i tell you why we shouldn't. once the administration said she without right broke the regulations, originated and trafficked in classified information, whether she is indictedder not. her criminality has been couldn't firmed by the administration. whether he is indict or not or pardoned is a different point. the voters now know, that she quite frankly deserved cover-up, did things against the rules then lead lied, that is why she
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is becoming a disqualified candidate by many people who would vote for her. lou: lou dobbs, is this an issue in which the president is foreclosed from endorsing hillary clinton? for the presidency, because of that investigation, because it would look terrible if he were to endorse her, then the justice department, and fbi move against her? >> well, he will campaign for her, so the warden dors am lou iis -- endorsement. >> the worth literally. >> they may carefully not do an endorsement while he campaigns for her. once he supports her as he is, he is in an odd situation, he basically saying to his attorney general, i got this, there is not a smidgen so to speak, as he
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said in case of irs, however. fbi director is a more independent figure, he ca cannot indict someone, he could make it clear he asked for an indictment, as he concludes his investigation it would be inconceivable that no one would be indicted. whether or not it goes to hillary clinton, does note change the fact that -- does not change the fax the criminal tie of th the conduct will have to e put out by the fbi director. >> sounds like a few more chapters i thank you so much. >> coming up, "new york times" reports that bernie sanders plans too layoff at least half of his campaign staff tomorrow. is that a sign he may be getting out of the race? we'll talk about it next, see you here. you pay your car insurance
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events, they call this the election night event rally with bernie sanders. he is expected to be here in a couple hours, you mentioned "new york times" saying that bernie sanders will layoff about half of his staff. on wednesday. now this after hillary clinton seems to heading to be the presumptive nominee, we have talked with several supporters, a young crowd, they want bernie to stay all the way through the convention, we'll see what these plans are, perhaps tonight or tomorrow or in the near future. whether or not he will stay, his only path getting the superdelegates to switch over from hillary clinton to support him. a lot of talk here, in california today about that ap story last night, releasing that hillary clinton had reached magic 2383, and a lot of people not happy, they know some friends and family who stayed home and did not vote
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today, they thought, what is the point. we know that not the case until superdelegates actually vote. a lot calling it voter suppression, we'll see if that affected the turn out. we know record number of folks are eligible to vote here in california. almost 18 million. back to you. trish: amazing, we know there were a lot of absentee voters e-mailing in their ballots, roughly 5 million, it will be interesting, we get 6 minutes to go until the polls close. we'll check back in with robert, results they could make or break bernie sanders' campaign, it is coming down to the wire, we have the latest for you next. turns romantic why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom?
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i speak, it is expected to be a record turn out on the west coast. absentee balloting estimated 5 million people casted their votes by mail. neanearly a million people registered to vote in recent weeks. a lot of people still citing the economy as number one issue in this campaign, president obama's economy record has been challenging. a family today has less money adjusted for inflation than they it when he came to office, millions more americans are on food stamps, and number of americans given up looking for work. it has not been at a level like this since 1970s, so how does hillary clinton campaign on that economy record, joining me now, clinton supporter, grad sherman, good to have you here
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congressman, this is a challenging record to run on, how does she defend his economic policy. >> the republican economic records is one that hard to run on, you saw this country falling off a cliff at inwas a george w. bush administration. you saw the obama economic policies turn the country, i realize for one month we had bad numbers. trish: jumping in. because you said that obama was able to turn the economy around. but you know that is actually not quite true, because if you look at the average income a family had 8 years ago, when he first came to offers, they have -- office, they have a hundred bubb bucks more now, than 8 years ago, reality is -- >> if i can continue, we were in freefall, you keep falling, so things were going bad at
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the beginning of 2009. right starts point for evaluating obama administration is beginning of 2010. when stimulus bill was passed, and he had arrested the freefall. if you start looking at the policies from 2010 to today, incomes are up, jobs are up, we have -- trish: incomes are not up, they have gone nowhere, and i don't blame that on president obama, i would point that that incomes have gone nowhere for last 20 years, one of the stats this white house likes to cite is job growth, saying we added jobs -- the last 75 months, i counter that by pointing out they are not good jobs, many are part time, one reason they are part-time jobs is because of obamacare. his health care policy he put into place, now caused employers to cut back on the number of hours that americans are workin working.
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how does she run on that. >> in george w. bush, first, we're running against a racist that the republican party is disavowing. >> trish: i am talking about the economy right now. about his economic record, and the fact that americans don't feel good about their future, and their children's future, they don't know if they will have a job next week or their kids will have a job 10 years from now, how does she change how people feel, how does she convince them she can offer something different than what president obama has given them. >> president obama has positive approval ratings, because people understand he -- economy was dropping, he stopped the drop, he had 75 months, yes, now we need higher wages, but you look at 2008, and effect of that in 2009. that is why his approval
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numbers are well in to positive numbers. you compare that to george w. bush, compare that to racism of donald trump, i think that hillary will win by a large margin. trish: congressman -- >> this is liz claman, a california girl also with kennedy from california, you look at california as a state right now, why is hillary clinton having any kind of difficulty running against bernie sanders at-this-point. the polls just close we're waiting to hear what happens. but you know. you would expect that having won in 2008, and beaten president obama she might have an easier time, what do you think ongoing on in california on the ground? >> i think that bernie sanders is running outstanding campaign, his strong stance against for many years against trade deals that hurt the american economy. his dedication to breaking up the big banks, he has a very strong positive record, we have two very strong popular democratic candidates, voters
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were enthusi enthusiastic that is why turn out is all-time high, when we look at polls we'll see democratic turned out not holding their noses but deciding which of the k-o can -- two candidates they support. >> thank you so much. >> good to have you hire, appreciate it. >> hillary clinton, she has clinched democratic nomination, he is presumptive nominee, will bernie sanders supporter get behind her, harlen hill said he would vote for trump over hillary, he is joining us. harlen, this is interesting, you said, you know, what i am in the never hillary camp. i will vote for donald trump over hillary clinton, despite the fact that i am a life long democrat, and a bernie sanders supporter, why? >> yeah, i never worked for a
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republican before, i never voted for a republican before, but i'm going to do it this do go, i don't trust hillary clinton, i don't think we're on the right track in terms of the economic either, listening to congressman is sounds rosie, i get out, it really not so, you refer to president obama approval rating, you look at it on the economy it is 19%. things are bad, 4 more yore years of the obama administration is not going to get us where we need to be. trish: i hear you, i am intrigued you talk about two candidates with two different approaches, i say what they have in domo dom common they are outliers erosion -- rogue candidates, but i find fascinating you were, you know willing to turnover quite a bit of your paycheck in the way of taxes it bern bp came
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into office -- bernie sanders came into offers, two very different strategies to get the economy going. how is that you are willing to switch sides so drastically? >> well, a lot of my support of bernie sanders was really, i think i could sign to the fact that he was not hillary clinton. i kind of held my nose, and looked past tax policy which i think would be regressive to the economy. but there is a lot of commonality, when you look at issues of trade, and nation building at home, hillary clinton you know her husband was architect of nafta. and you know it was on the record for a long time before she was against it. supporting it, which will lead to export of million of american jobs. trish: harlen stay with us, we have more questions, we have some results in about 1% to us right now, in california. i would just, highlight that
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this is a very preliminary number, 1% in but hillary clinton leading right now. the night is young, and there is a whole lot more that needs to be counted. we'll continue to watching this. harlen with us. >> i have a question for you, so, bernie sanders supporters are confident he can beat donald trump, he does not have to be the democratic party nominee, when his party is abandoning him for hillary clinton right now, particular the superdelegates, why not encourage him to make an independent run. >> no, i don't believe in that, unfortunately the realities our system that only two parties could survive. i am going to -- i think that people like me that are really will not support hillary clinton. we will either stay home or they will get behind donald trump. >> do have you contacts in bernie sanders community, i am wonder figure any of those contacts have suggestedde
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what might happen now, perhaps violent at philadelphia cop haven'ttion, and et cetera? >> i don't think there will be any violence. i do actually, i was talking with a friend before we got on air, and i think that they -- it sounds like they will stick this out. he could be the last man standing, you touched on to. she has a looming indictment. and so there is no reason for him to back out, i think he stays until the convention. >> even though he is cutting back on half the staff, har len -- harlen hill thank you for joining us, republican party. >> you have mark circui kirk, saying he could no longer support donald trump. you have former new jersey mayor, who said, he would rather vote for donald duck than donald trump.
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all right. steve, welcome to the show, is there anything trump can do right now? >> there is a lot that donald trump can do. trish: trump has just won california. so it has been confirmed by fox, he has won california. but what could he do? >> tonight you asked about why hillary clinton has such a hard time dispatching bernie sanders. that is because bernie sanders is a far left liberal progressive, and farther to left than hillary clinton, i will never vote for hillary for president. but 37 tonight in a speech, donald trump urged bernie sanders supporters to join his campaign, what does donald trump have to offer, far left liberal progressives? what is really disturbing about that, he house done nothing to a-- has done nothing to attract conservatives. >> i think, harlen just
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explained, one thing he is intrigued by, is feeling that donald trump will change things, and as though hillary clinton is too. the establishment candidate. >> he is a democrat that wants donald trump to change the republican party to a new party, we're going to a convention in july, it could be a debacle. about a week ago called ted cruz lying ted again and took a shot at rick perry. and he had the debacle over the last 3 days. >> you know what -- steve this is one thing that people like about him, we talked about this earlier, yes, he has gotten himself into trouble. many times, thus far. >> many times. >> every time he emerges stronger and stronger. because americans are say, this is a guy who is not on script. they like that. >> that might have worked in the primary with a smaller group of voters, but we're talking about the general
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elect, about the media focus hing on donald trump's record. you need your troops marching, donald trump is not uniting the republican party, he is dividing it. i wake upive day, looking for a reason, waiting for reason to vote for donald trump. he is more worried about getting bernie sanders supporters than my vote. lou: this is lou, you know you are hardly a guy known for going with the herd, you are an independent thinker, and respected as such for being, i am a little surprised. trump represents a disruptive force in washington they believe the family if -- familiar please transform some of ossified elements of the orthodoxy out there. which conservatives abhor just as much as donald trump. or bernie sanders supporters,
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when he goes after "the independents," those independents are important to his chances to be in oval office as they are for hillary clinton, i would think that would be attractive to you? >> lou, i a conservative from school of berke and writings and teachings are william f. buckley, i have sane donal seen donald trump fail to asirtassert those principles. his approach could taint the conservative movement. lou: are you suggesting you find a safer harbor in hillary clinton. >> no, i do not. but i think that republican party needs to nominate best candidate to defeat hillary clinton. lou: i hate to break it to you, the process is at an end. >> no, there is a long time between now and the convention, if donald trumpk continues to wrack the
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republican party, i was on today with the congressman from long island who spent 10 minutes defending donald trump. in a losing battle it was brutal to watch. trish: are there going to be more senators and congressmen that so call unendorse themselves. you had senator kirk from illinois, you are expecting others. >> he had paul ryan's press conference, with sleeves rolled up, and backdrop talking about how donald trump statements were textbook racism that paul ryan interview can going to be a commercial for democrat party, the ball is in court of donald trump only one man can unify the republican party, that is donald trump. >> he does have there are a lot of conservatives who you know, and you have worked with, people like steve moore,
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art lapre who is one of the founders that the economic that created reagan revolution who is for strong, and suggesting that with the economic policies attacks policies of trump we might have an economic revival in america that we have not this since reagan. >> we have people like my good friend bill crystal over at weekly -- >> what would you tell art lapre who knows the economics of this and was the architect of many of reagan's policies? >> i respect art lapre a lot, i know him well, but donald trump supports universal health care like hillary clinton does. he is talking about -- >> not just like hillary clinton. we don't know how. but, what would you tell art lapre who said, this is donald trump is the way to the economic revival. >> i would tell art be careful of this reckless, conduct,
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that comes out of donald trump, you don't know what he is going to do tomorrow, steve moore. and larry kudlow, and art lapre knows that markets want -- stability, they are not getting that. lou: they are consulting donald trump right now you are talking about bill crystal, he has marginalized himself to irrelevant. this is not, a -- i am shocked. >> lou, what does donald trump have to offer bernie sanders supporters he thinks he can call them to join the campaign, he has yet to reach out to conservative base? lou: i think without question he should reach out to the conservative base and every element of republican party as well as the democratic party. >> i have a question, would you rather see hillary clinton
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become the next president, and if not, what would it take for donald trump to -- >> i would like to see conservative senators, and congressmen get reelectioned to continue to control the senate, and control congress, and that what we're doing. lou: so they could continue to did the bang up job they have done. >> a lot of people fear that you knowphobes like yourself, and -- folks like yourself, are just want to see more of the status quo, people want change. >> i am not a status quo guy. but shaking things up without a purpose to shake them up. >> you are not going to see president dave french. >> no. >> are you voting for hillary. >> no, but i want to pull donald trump over to the conservative side. >> all right. >> i want to see donald trump, galvanize the republican party. >> thank you very much. >> coming up, the economy in full focus, we talked about it in last hour, does hillary run on president obama third term?
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lot of voting was cast early, 5 million people mailed in their votes a record number. >> economist ben stein is joining us now. good to see you. women have been thought to have a more of an allegiance to hillary clinton in this particular race. in part because of some things donald trump said, and in part because hillary clinton has by t presumptive nom h nominee on a major ticket, do you think women will vote overwhelmingly for hillary clinton. >> i think they will, i don't think they should, i don't think there has ever been a presidential candidate in last hundreds years who has been as cruel to women in distress as hillary clinton has.
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sworn to court testimony, almost unbelievable, but i think that women will vote for her. it is just, stuns me that is true. but that is the way the world is. trish: do you think there is a division, younger women say that great she is now first woman to run at top of the a ticket. but you know it is not as big a deal, these days. >> it should be a big deal. it is a very big deal for there to be a first woman candidate, and it is a very, very big deal to threaten children of people who are complaining about your husband raininraping them this is is a serious matter. trish: we're talking about two different things. >> i know, trish, i know. but i am not an idiot, i know, you are saying is it a big deal.
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for her to be first woman candidate, yes, to some age groups, no to some other age groups, it is to every age group of women, and god bless them, and good luck to her, she was a schoolmate of mine to yale. trish: let's move on to other issue, you say this is a woman who is not a champion for women. at least not as much as she trying to portray in public, she has a history of being mean, awful to women that cross her path, she took them down. >> yeah, women who cross her path and her husband's path, it astonishes me, it blew my braining out to see her onstage hugging bill, she is pugging this -- hugging this guy, and has intern.
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>> you have to go there. >> with all due respect, come on, this is really a very basic part of human life, this woman behaved atrociously. if you want to get back to the economy she would be good with the economy. trish: there is a lot to talk with you about the economy. we have a couple women on the panel, we should get their thoughts on hillary clinton. significance of having a woman there, ben stay with us, liz issue a lot of people make this point, some millennial, bernie sanders supporters seeing this more they don't like the way she behaved to women that got in her and her husband's life. >> listen, then you get same attack on donald trump side, he was the too tough on everyone who maybe crossed him, the art of the deal, this is politics this is business. i prefer to look forward and say, you know there is an issue where she is not getting
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an automatic yes vote from a lot of female voters. i don't vote on gender. looking ahead, figuring out what is going to happen beyond california, because polls are closed, what do you think she has to do to glean more of that vote? is their a change she has to make? >> well, with all due respect, she campaigns a lot on removing glass ceiling that are holding in women, i am not sure what she is referring to, if you adjust women lead labor force a great -- leave the labor force a great deal more than men's, their wages are same at men, i don't understand what that is band what she is planning to do to help women, advance economically, i don't know what is going on with that. i don't know -- i don't understand the whole idea of raising middle class wage, how
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do we do that, we competing with china, and india, and indonesia, and thailand, how does she do this? they make promises she can't keep. >> it is kennedy, how is someone like hillary clinton who'll raise mi minimum wage. how is that going to help small businesses? you know we have seen study after study, it is basic economics is going to hurt small businesses and so people who are grossly under employed like minor knees and single -- minorities and single women. >> they will be replaced by machinery, and technology, this is not a great idea, it is -- i don't care if i pay $10 for a big mac but i don't want to see people who have very little training replaced at mcdonald's or burger king over whenever it by a machine because the minimum wage has
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been raised. that is not going to bring people into middle class status either. there is no magic bullet out there. and for democrats to promise their circumstance is just pure hypocrisy. >> ben, this is david asman. >> good to see you. >> is it not just actually, if you raise cost of doing business through higher tax rates and through more regulations, both of which we had, to 10th degree, you will have fewer businesses is that why the economy is running slow right now? >> we don't know, why. it is very hard to compute a huge machine as the economy. but we do know that regulation unless really necessary for health and safety of workers and consumers is almost a dead weight there a great economist. >> she is just, announced he is increasing those -- she is increasing those.
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>> mr. obama added $400,000 pages of regulation, since hey can became president. >> itself has to stop. ben good to see you, it has been a while. >> great to see you, thank you. >> coming up california polls now closes with 475 democratic delicates up for stake, we have 13% of vote in right now, you can see hillary clinton, leading 62% to 36%, however again, only 16% a lot of the votes are counted were mailed in. we saw a record turn out in terms of people voting absentee, 5 million in california. will clinton take home a big win tonight? or does bernie sanders have a shot? he needs california if he is going to hang on. we're back in two, right after this.
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liberal left leaning bay area, san francisco community. >> it is. trish: so one would anticipate actually that bernie sanders might do a little better. >> that is what we thought for san francisco that there would be pockets of progressiveness within san francisco, but we're also talking about silicon valley, so some of the surrounding counties. they were always a little bit of wild cards, talked about this with kennedy, our libertarian, and you never know what they're going to do, seems as if they've shown up for hillary clinton. also she's getting support for san diego, which is a surprise as we know that's one of the biggest naval bases in the country, pulling in a lot of support there. on the republican side -- trish: where do we anticipate bernie sanders getting support in mendocino and the counties? >> in the inland county areas, he does well in far northern california talking about redding to montecito, and he's
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doing well in places like kern county where he's taking economic message to farmers and inlanders who have been hit very hard by the economy. >> and the water near oregon where you have the logging area and really the working blue collar. >> while it's too early to say why it is, you look at ap report yesterday and look at whether or not robert pointed out earlier in a report, voters were discouraged from going to the polls because they think it's over. trish: you think who bernie sanders supporters are too, they're a lot of young people. are they going to have the wherewithal to stay in this for the long run? he says he's going to hang on, he's not going away, fighting until the -- >> he doesn't have the staff. trish: and see how he reacts depending how the california results are. will his supporters, lou, stay with him that long?
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>> there's been a change in the calculus today. if the margins hold up, i truly believe we're seeing something quite different. cutting his staff is going to be enervating, if they go ahead with the margin. this is a disappointment they think will be gut-wrenching for sanders supporters, and i think it will leave him significantly weakened going into philadelphia. the reality here is that everyone thought that it was going to be a problem for hillary. this may be her convincing final win, if these margins again hold. >> his supporters are going to be absolutely furious if he loses california by ten or more points. his supporters are going to see the mainstream press, the ap is colluding with the clinton campaign to create the perception that she's won, the night before the primary, and undercutting the passion he would have had in those
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counties. >> harlan hill said i'm for sanders but not voting for hillary so vote goes trump. there are going to be crossovers as well. trish: indeed, talk to a trump supporter who isn't conservative, he's looking at trump all along. actor robert davi from los angeles, one of the few, one of the few trump supporters in tinseltown. good to have you here, robert. did you hear his speech earlier tonight, and what did you think of it? >> thank you for having me here, trish, and the rest of the gang. first off, i heard donald trump's speech today. i want to say something about the support in hollywood. you may not have the mainstream big aaa list actor or actress that's supporting donald trump or directors, but you're having a lot of the people that are the lighting guys and the camera operators. lot of the below the line, the makeup artists. they come to me periodically on sets or wherever i'm at and say you know what?
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we're voting for donald trump. keep speak up. trish: they say that quietly, and you did this with your hands, telling you this quietly. it's not common or acceptable to be a trump supporter out there right now? >> not just a trump supporter, a conservative. mostly we have a very liberal town, and there is a repercussion for being conservative, that's in conservative circles. so anyway, very interesting. trish: so you heard trump speak tonight. >> yes. trish: he talked about his fighting spirit and said i'm there, i'm going fight hard. i fight as hard as i need to for myself, my family, and i'll do the same thing for you. he also spoke about the importance of putting america first. are these ideas that you think are going to resonate out there in the rest of america? >> well, i know it resonated with me when i listened to it and will resonate. for many years, trish, the american people, the working
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class and the conservative base, not necessarily the elite pundits, and some of the people that, you know, they talk about uniting the party. they've got to unite around donald trump. jeff sessions made a point today saying it's a republican party that is for the people, and the people are saying they want trump and the america first idea is going to resonate and is resonating. trish: and you have establishment types, robert, who are still insisting that trump can't be their guy. senator kirk today saying he can't vote for donald trump. we just heard from a mayor of a new jersey town who said he can't vote for donald trump. and you have mitch mcconnell saying donald trump needs to stick to the script. how does he, at this moment in time, bring all these folks together, because he needs them, and really it's not great, when your own party is take shots at you left and right and you got to deal with
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the left and the media and everybody else. >> i have to say that there's a different agenda, and we've known this, both parties have kicked the ball down the hill or the can down the hill for many years. that's why we're in the economic mess, you talked about it earlier on. trump, since 20 years ago talked about the trade deals. ross perot brought it up, the sucking sound you hear, the nafta, jobs leaving america. now we have tpp. you have hillary clinton state department that says they're not going to let us know what she said in her e-mails. so i have suspicion against at a heard steve loniggan talk earlier, i wanted to throw my boot at television set, it was so frustrating. some of the misrepresentation they heard him speak about, and the american people are hearing through that, and i think some of the establishment has to come on board, or there's a different agenda.
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he said there was a commercial of senator ryan talk in front of a group of people. that's very suspicious to me. because here's a party, we have a -- go ahead, i'm sorry. trish: i think your point is well taken. i think that donald trump's challenge right now is to make sure he's able to get everyone to be in his corner, and it's not easy, but then at the same time, lou and i were talking about earlier, sometimes this is part of his appeal. americans like that everybody is shooting at him. thanks for being here, robert. good to see you. >> good to see you. trish: following the results, bernie sanders, big government socialism catching fire with millions of voters, perhaps not enough in california. take a look at that. 63.2% to 35.6%. hillary clinton, pretty significantly in the lead. however, we're going to point out we don't have all the returns. in still a small percentage and this race is too early to call. anyway, how do republicans
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from california. you can see hillary clinton significantly in the lead at 63.1% to bernie sanders 35.7. however, it is too early to call this one in part because only 23% of the vote is in, and a lot of that is absentee voting, people that mailed votes in. looks as though this still could be pretty tight. we're watching it carefully. one of the big things that bernie sanders pushed of course, is that we need to reinvent our economic system. capitalism you say doesn't work, happens to be the very foundation of who we are as a country. a system that made us the number one economy in the world. and you know, he's gotten a lot of people to agree with him. so is that the start of something bigger? is there a socialist surge going on, and if so, is it going to be a big problem for republicans going forward? i'm back with the whole team.
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lou dobbs, kennedy, deirdre bolton and david asman. you heard clinton talk about how we need these things to help society and that bernie sanders has done a tremendous disservice to the democratic party by highlighting the issue of income inequality. it makes me think she's trying to bring in supporters but trying to keep the theme alive. is this here to stay? >> i think certainly as a message in her campaign it's here to stay because she has been pushed so far to the left by sanders and he's been intractable in pushing her in that direction. i believe she's going to have to run as a left-wing socialist, despite everything. by the way, in my personal view is that means she's going to be flying not a false flag but her true colors will be waving over the deck. >> what's funny about the anti-capitalism, he's raised more money than she has.
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if you look at results through may, he's ahead by only about two million. he's raised 213 million to her 211 million and most support is donations of less than 200, but still i like that the socialist outrage is so out there. >> half of the democratic party thinks that socialism is okay. the democratic party is half of the american vote. that's about 25% of the american public think that socialism are okay. that's just a quarter, doesn't sound like much, still socialism used to be anathma, used to be opposite of what america thought it was. >> people are not taught that anymore in college. academia, it's two prong, you have younger voters overwhelmingly going for sanders, sit there for four years, sometimes six, racking up debt, hearing the liberal professors bad mouth capitalism, talk about the greatness of socialism and see their parents who have not done
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well from the great recession. >> anybody who sat in a college economic classroom recently realizes that what people are being taught, what young people are being taught is socialism. the idea that america has failed as an economic system, that socialism succeeded as economic system. that is the jargon they are being taught. >> billions of people out of poverty. republicans are doing a horrible job of relaying that message, that success has a multiplier effect and we need that in the economy right now, and you need to be proud of making things, selling things and generating ideas that make money for you and everyone else. trish: have you half the population that has no skin in the game, they're not paying taxes. why shouldn't they want more free stuff, lou? >> getting free stuff, and by the way, they're not just getting it from their text books. they are living in a socialist environment. it's an ecology. the reality is that the federal government is loaning money to
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the students and to their parents, worse yet, putting them in debt, supporting -- college and the university systems have become support systems for left-wing professors and their families, because it is the only institution which you can say simply and demonstrably it's a bubble. trish: at expense of the kids, at the expense of the parents taking all this debt. >> absolutely. >> and biggest debt after mortgage debt. >> college debt you are seeing inflation. you consider college costs and how much they've soared. >> it's quadrupled. >> you get free money. >> let me speak up for bernie sanders for a second. one thing bernie sanders does do well is describe the problem or part of the problem which is the crony capitalism which has developed more now under a democratic administration than republicans, both with republicans and democrats. a crony capitalism, they saw the financial bailout.
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it was paid back, the money lent but look at what the fed has done recently over the past five or six years opening windows in wall street that didn't exist. they see wall street doing great. main street not doing so great. he describes what he describes as a landscape of america right now. economic landscape is pretty good, solutions are cock eyed. >> 23% in right now. but still too close to call. 26% is actually in. >> narrow. trish: yeah. hillary in the lead. we'll see what bernie sanders is able to pull off, and you know, if he's not able to win tonight, will he stick around? he says he plans to. we're going to talk about what's next for the democrats after this.
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. trish: welcome back, i want to get you caught up on tonight's results thus far. the key race for the democrats, california, that's the biggie, too early to call. hillary clinton has a sizable lead over bernie sanders, and fox is projecting with the delegates she has won so far, she has won the majority of the pledged delegates at the democratic national convention. clinton has won new jersey and new mexico as well tonight, sanders took north dakota and we're still waiting on montana, south dakota and, of course, california. roughly 26% or so of the vote in right now. and you can see, well, if we can go to the california board
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for you, hillary clinton is still significantly there in the lead. it is far too early to call. fox is projecting donald trump has enough bound delegates to clinch the gop nomination. bernie sanders meanwhile is expected to speak out in california around 1:00 a.m. eastern. you're looking at pictures that are coming into us from santa monica, california at sanders headquarters there. the big question is what is he going to say? is he going to stay in this race? is he going to continue to be a thorn in hillary clinton's side or bow out? maybe it will depend on the data that we get in, in the next several moments. just coming into us right now, fox can project that clinton has won south dakota. 51.1% to 48.9%. clinton taking south dakota. meanwhile, coming up, donald trump, he's out there courting big money donors, but how much money is he really going to need to take on hillary clinton?
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california, and though it's still too close to call, you can see hillary clinton hanging on tight to that lead big time, 62.3% to bernie sanders 36.6%. now, even if sanders turns this around here and takes california, it looks like a trump versus clinton battle is brewing. how much money is it going to take for trump to compete against hillary clinton in the general election. joining us right now, former rubio fund-raiser george sea. good to see you, you can put a number on this for us? >> a multibillion dollar election, combining both sides of the electorate on the democratic and republican side. i have a strong opinion that trump's earned media and the way he conducts himself and clinton's e-mail scandal are key determinates who wins the election. trish: how is his ability to raise money, he said i don't need money, i don't need anybody's help.
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that's going to obviously have to change. where's he going to get the money from? >> he's worked $10 billion, i look forward to him writing a very large check. he says self-fund, i think he'll have some success, i think there is always people on the conservative side who will back the nominee no matter what and raise money for him. but he's burned a lot of britches so he's got to work with the britches that are intact. >> this is lou, good to see you. >> hi, lou. >> i talked with the donor class today, as a matter of fact, and they're talking very positively and optimistically. let me rephrase it, cautiously optimistic about fund-raising. is there a number that you think he has to have whether it comes from his pocket or the pockets of lots of other folks? >> no, sir, i don't. i think that he'll have hundreds of millions of dollars
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at a bare minimum, and i think sheldon adelson said he's going to fund a huge amount of money to trump. >> 100 million. >> i'll reiterate, i think the american people have gotten smart about this stuff. i don't think they pay attention to paid political ads that attack the other opponent mostly unfairly, sometimes fairly. it's the earned media that counts and hillary's e-mail scandal is a big, big factor going forward. clear she should be indicted. >> when you look at what happened with jeb bush, all the money he spent, $100 million, and clearly did him no good at all. the more money he spent, the lower his polling went. the fact that hillary has so much, it must not be the advantage that it used to be, to have a financial advantage, and i'm just wondering if perhaps donald trump can continue to do it on the cheap? >> it's a great irony, isn't it? you hear outcry among the american people about the corrupting influence of money
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and politics, but the practical side of it is, i don't think it has such a big impact. people tone it out and look at the candidates and how they conduct themselves, and i would go back to president george h.w. bush's administration, i worked for secretary eagleburger in the state department, i know how serious national security is, and all of us that have been there and told we would be summarily dismissed if we in any way violated national security information in our jobs, are deeply offended with what hillary did with the private server. i don't think if trump raises 500 million versus 800 million or something like that, i don't think that's outcome determinative at auchl the way he conducts himself and the e-mail scandal are the big factors going forward. >> absolutely, we were talking during the break that the superist delegate may be the fbi. what about other billionaires on the conservative side. what about the koch brothers?
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what would it take for them to bankroll the trump campaign? >> i think they'll spend hundreds of millions of dollars in every state where there's a key battleground state, especially in the senate elections and the dollars will definitely impact and help donald trump. i know foster friess who is on your network frequently is all in for trump. i think a lot of the donor class will be heavily behind him, i think it will come again to what his comments look like, how he woos the american people uncertain about him and offended by his comments, whether he can look presidential the being in five months. >> george, you make such a good point. things have changed and he's been that agent of change in the sense he's transformed how campaigns are run. earn the media. really matters, and people listen to it more when someone is answering a question from a reporter as opposed to the campaign ad. >> by the way, hillary clinton hasn't had a press conference
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since december. this is not forthright and transparent with the press, if you're talking about earned media. if that's the best way to get to the american voter, she is lacking. >> although, kennedy, she did ten minutes the other day. the question completely presorted, right? how do you feel about being the first female candidate? >> of course, she's one of the most controlling candidates, and will be one of the most controlling presidents. >> george? >> if my friend marco rubio who's an outstanding debater and ted cruz who's an accomplished debater couldn't handle trump, how is hillary going to handle him? she's so scripted, she's going to struggle with him in debates. >> george, talking about the e-mail scandal and rightly so, but there's the potential of a public corruption case around the global, the clinton global initiative that has a lot of people, including the inspectors, the fbi
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investigators obviously concerned enough to be taking a look at that. how big do you think that could be potentially for her? >> lou, it's a travesty. and anyone who cares about charity in this country, and i'm one of them like charities that run lean and mean and give most of the money to the causes. the money they spend for the clinton global initiative is scandalous in itself. i'm skeptical that will come out before the election to make a significant impact. the e-mail scandal is much more substantive and i hope loretta lynch has the tenacity and the courage to prosecute the situation if an indictment is recommended. trish: george, thank you for coming down. good to see you. >> good to see all of you all. trish: the white house releasing a statement saying the president called both hillary clinton and bernie sanders, at sanders request, the president and senator sanders will meet at the white
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house on thursday to continue their conversation about the significant issues at stake in this election that matter most to america's working families. you're looking there at live pictures coming into us from santa monica, california. sanders headquarters, where supporters are gathering as they cheer on bernie sanders, but so far, anyway, not look as though they have a ton to cheer, because with roughly 30 some odd percent of the vote in, 31%, hillary clinton is at 62.5% to bernie sanders 36.4%. nonetheless, it is too early to call this race. trump supporter and tea party foreign chairman niger ines joins us with what the race is going to look like in a trump versus clinton scenario. we've been talking about the economy, we are fox business and the economy is the number
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one issue on voters' plate right now, niger. given that the economy is in an anemic-type growth right now. does the advantage go to trump? >> you would think so, he's been extraordinarily successful. he has the ability to talk about how the trump economic empire was built, and how it was a successful global empire. he's a tremendous marketer. you would think he has a huge advantage there. i think that now, i saw bits and pieces of his speech tonight, from the clips that i saw, it seemed that he's already making a pivot to talk about the economy and to be much more positive and affirmative and talking about what he's for and what he's going to do for the country. >> he talked a lot about the
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economy, he talked about how we can't afford the debt levels that we have, something that certainly resonates with a lot of americans right now, and talked about how we need to be creating jobs. he said over and over again how he is the number one create offer jobs, he's created lots of jobs and americans can benefit from that. i want to get to his style, if he talks about the need to improve our economy, that very much resonates. you contrast that with hillary clinton who speaks in a way that perhaps for some people is not quite as energetic, as understandable, or frankly as, you know, she's just -- >> inspiring? trish: those are your words. i suppose she's not as good a politician as her husband or even, do you think, donald trump? >> i think donald trump has proven that he is a very good politician, if you will, but
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more than that, he's a -- and i say this as a person that supported -- i had another horse in this, as many of you know before i knew that trump was going to be the nominee. he's a brilliant leader. he is a brilliant leader. and he is leading this party right now. and i think that's why those that were offended within the republican party with the statement with judge curiel recognize he's still the leader. trish: but charisma being a gifted politician matters in all of this, right? this is why her husband was so successful because he related to people. he liked people. and i don't know if that comes -- she needs to try and bring some of that forward if she's really going to have a fighting chance. >> you know, i think you raise an interesting point. what would the race look like
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if it were between bill clinton of the mid 90s and donald trump? that would -- trish: that would be a tough race. >> and that comparison, i think, also represents the problem for -- much of the problem for hillary clinton. aside from the scandals and the potential scandals, this is going to be a closer race i think than anyone assumed six months ago. >> there's a part of the american voter that says i like that person, i'm going to get a kick out of that person. and this is where she -- if one were advising her, it would be very telling. >> she's tilted, you don't feel comfortable when you watch her speak. we were talking about how donald trump used the teleprompter which is not something he does often. he was doing it with more ease. she always uses a teleprompter.
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far more trained in the use of a teleprompter. yet donald trump who just started using it is better than she is. trish: do you think that's because he's writing his speeches, do you think her speeches are written for her? >> when he tried to do the teleprompter stuff, it seemed like it was written by the folks who came in, the professional politicians, maybe so. he's just more natural. >> she goes off message, this is why she's a bad candidate. when she goes off messages are when she goes spontaneous or makes impromptu statement, she always shoots herself in the foot. remember when ed henry asked her if she wiped the server and she said with a cloth? so flippant. she talks about the server issues and comes across as smug and arrogant -- >> can i ask niger innis something. you and your dad in particular
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is the founder of core, one of the great civil rights movements of the 20th century have a real stake in the question of civil rights and the question of how different races deal with each other in america. you know all the hits against trump, but the message from his supporters is, hey, he treats everybody the same, equal opportunity dismisser, he puts everybody down, he doesn't care what color you are, if you're against him, go against everything you have. which message resonates the hardest or who is getting persuaded by which argument right now in minority communities from your perspective? >> well, you know, minority communities generally, you can't just say minority community generally. i think i'm saying this for quite some time that trump has a tremendous potential to get much larger percentage of the black vote, i've been saying 15, 20% of the black vote which
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would be phenomenal if donald trump were able to get that, and i think he has the possibility to earn that. >> how? how does he do that? >> i think he continues to lead in a particular direction, in the direction that he's leading, talk about jobs, talk about the economy and the fact that he is going to be the greatest job creator this country has known. i said on on this network, of course, i want to say happy birthday to my dad, 83 yesterday. trish: that's great. >> happy birthday. >> also pay great tribute to muhammad ali in his passing. i said on this network some time ago, that donald trump is the muhammad ali of politics right now, in the young ali,
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and that ali was a very dynamic and controversial figure, but you know, sometimes the big guy puts -- creates a situation for reason, and there was certainly a need within the black community during that era to see somebody like muhammad ali and my father and so many others of that era, a little more aggressive, a little bit more strident and controversial. trish: and, you know, it resonates with people for sure. as you point out, muhammad and his ability to have that turn of phrase inspired a lot of folks. thank you for joining us tonight, niger. we are continuing to monitor the situation in california as the primary data continues to come into us right now. you can see again, hillary
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clinton hanging on there, 62.2% to 36.6% from sanders. however, still too early. still too early to call this one.take a live look at pictures from santa monica, california. bernie sanders supporters, looking a little less boisterous. >> looks like a wake. >> perhaps taking a look at numbers on the screen. what's he going to do now? if he does not win california does, he need to get out? many democrats talk about this as we watch all the results coming into us at fox business, after this. i don't want to live with the uncertainties of hep c. or wonder whether i should seek treatment. i am ready. because today there's harvoni. a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. harvoni is proven to cure up to 99% of patients
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. trish: welcome back, everyone, 32% of the vote in right now in california, and hillary clinton is clinging to the lead. 62.2% to 36.6%. i do want to emphasize that this race is too early to call. however, i think there's some surprise that hillary is so far in the lead given that all the polling data we had seen previously suggested this would be really a squeaker. again, it is early. i'm here with deirdre, with david, with kennedy. >> i'm surprised, looking at the map of california, where she has strength. we've been talking about her expecting to do well where there are big cities, in the heart of l.a., in san francisco. you have a lot of minorities that typically vote for her, what i am personally surprised about is san mateo, the whole silicon valley, santa clara,
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alameda, areas with a lot of libertarians, huge tech areas and a lot of them were very pro-bernie. i'm surprised. she clearly has taken the lead. >> you're talking about a class of billionaires who don't want to see their money redistributed against their will. >> and petre thiel has come out and become a trump delegate. >> yeah, he'll be a delegate for donald trump. >> one of the few people in silicon valley to come out for donald trump. the majority were in the clinton camp. >> there was a conspiracy theory, the ap story might have affected bernie supporters who decided what the heck? i'm not going to vote, not going to waste my time. well, the question is whether it was an accident? there is some suggestion, there's a lot of rumors that, in fact, there was a little collusion between the hillary camp and ap whether they worked together. she came out with a statement saying no, no, no.
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a lot of bernie supporters are going to say uh-oh, what's going on? >> right now she's up 25 points in california and we've got a third of the vote in. i think this only embolden the sanders supporters. i don't think this is something they tuck their tail between their legs, we lost california. they're going to look at this and find the factors that influenced the race, poll after poll, including the rc politics poll that is definitely within the margin of area. >> embolden them to do what? to vote for trump? >> no, to keep bernie sanders alive. i don't think this extinguishes his campaign. they're going to see corruption, they're going to see a number of factors. >> you know who is meeting with bernie on thursday says it's time to hang your gloves. >> that's a different story. trish: that's a good point, the
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reality is people feel like they've been gypped and look at what you said and the conspiracy theories start to turn and they're going to say why did the ap article come out? >> i don't support sanders but i feel bad for him, the system is rigged and as people point out super delegates only on the democratic side have a ton more leeway than even the system on the republican side. trish: hang on a sec there, we want to get to our next guest. doc brown, the democrats are hoping to use donald trump as a way to secure the senate and the house majority in november. former senator scott brown earlier joins us with his thoughts on that. senator, they want to turn over the entire house, and that trump is going to be their ticket to being able to do that. what are they missing in all this, do you think? >> well, they're missing the fact that when harry reid was in charge, basically the senate
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shut down and he will go down as the worst majority leader in recent the times. that's why a lot of his members lost because of the inaction of the senate. every senator is qualified for re-election, and people if it's trump as president, people want him to have the house and senate so he can push through his agenda. if chuck schumer is the majority leader, it's going to shut things down, and people don't want that gridlock. i'm confident they're going to work hard and get re-elected. trish: let me ask you this, senator, donald trump has alienated a lot of people within the party. you are one of the few that came out quite early on and said i'm backing him and you went door-to-door campaigning for him in new hampshire but it was a risk that you were taking. now he is the nominee, yet have you members of congress and the senate that feel like they can't quite back him, and that reluctance, will that cost them?
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first of all, i was the first one to endorse him, and to my former colleagues and folks on the fence, it's like listen, you have a choice it's either hillary clinton or donald trump. and what you don't like about him, i get it. what you do like about him is the fact he's not hillary clinton, and we're going to have the vice president, obviously, and obviously going to have all the cabinet positions, the secretaries, ambassadors and the like. so we're going to get personality get in play here? and just to step up and step back i should say, i remember when joe biden went and spoke to a group of african-americans and said mitt romney was going to put them back in chains or shackles, claiming that mitt romney is a racist? i know mitt romney and he's not a racist. i know donald trump, and that doesn't fly either. that's the typical democrat playbook 101. he hates women, he hates all minorities. he hates dogs, cats, the environment, it's the typical
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playbook and it started tonight. trish: how does he fight back against that? given they got things on tape that you don't necessarily want on tape including what paul ryan said? >> of course, of course, and here's the other thing, there's a reason that bernie sanders is staying in the race, i believe, and the reason he should come out and say why he's staying in the race is the fact that hillary clinton could be indicted and president obama or michelle obama and the obama machine are so eager to get into the race because they want to send a message to the justice department and fbi, wink, wink, nod, nod, it's okay, i'm with her now, stand down. he's dying to get in the case to give her a cover, obviously. but bernie is going to stay in the race, and he should be more transparent, i'm staying in because i think if she gets indicted i don't want joe biden or anyone else coming in because i'm the next guy in line. trish: look, i think, scott, that's a very fair point. the president did make a call
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to both sanders and clinton earlier this evening and congratulated them both. thanked sanders for all his hard work in terms of mobilizing much of the democratic base, thanked him. sanders did request a meeting next week in the white house, they are going to meet together. you wonder on thursday what they're going to try and work out. but one would think bernie sanders wants something. i hear you, maybe he just wants to stick with it until something else big happens. anyway, good to see you, senator scott brown joining us from new hampshire tonight. >> thank you. trish: bernie sanders getting ready to address supporters in california. there you see it, campaign headquarters in santa monica california. bernie is about to talk to folks there. but clinton is holding the lead right now in the golden state. we're going to talk to a bernie supporter to find out where bernie is going from here? if he loses, how does he recover from this? closing the stage
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trish: right now this race is still too close to call. however hillary clinton is still in the lead, with more than 30% of vote in, 62.2% to bernie sanders' 36.6%. bernie sanders, any minute now will be addressing his supporters, out there in santa monica. , california. you can see the crowd, gathered.
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it is going to be at least at this component a disappointing night. you have seen from many polls that these candidates looked as though they were neck-and-neck. but as more of the polling data comes in, as more results come in, you can see hillary clinton is taking the lead, but again we will emphasis it too lose to call, california is basically bernie sanders' last hope, he needs to win, if he doesn't, what is he going to do? she is all right the presumptive nominee, joining me on the phone, bernie sanders supporter neil -- how are you feeling? >> i think we would like some stronger early vote return. got also acknowledge what you see is about a third of the vo vote. we'll see what happened on election day, shortly as both
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come in from folks that growth voted today we have a long of strong bernie sanders supports out there. trish: you want to stick with this, you want your candidate to stick with this but the mack is not there. why do you say i'm going to hang out until the convention when there is no way of him getting the nomination, unless they twist everyone's arm. >> i think we'll see what happens, i was excited to hear that president obama and senator sanders will meet later this week to talk about the future of the de democratic party. and issues that bernie sanders has been fighting on. we'll see how that develops and that conversation. trish: would you vote for donald trump or hillary clinton. >> absolutely not.
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trish: if bernie is not the guy, hillary clinton is whom you would cast your vote for. >> donald trump has run a bigoted campaign. trish: we heard from quite a few, harlen hill said if bernieg for trump, a lot of folks that support bernie, you are not in the camp, but a lot feel they like what bernie is offering in the way of also trump. >> deirdre bolton, you say you are happy to president obama is going to be speaking with senator sanders thursday, why? because everyone assumes that it will be president obama asking senator sanders to step out. and support hillary clinton.
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it sounds like you think that the conversing a is about something else. >> i think it will be about issues that bernie sanders and movement he has inspired, about the issues that he run on from the beginning of the race. bernie sanders is. deirdre: what does that get him or his supporters. >> there are a lot of things that come out of the convention from platform changes. bernie sanders has inspired millions of new people to get involved in the process, he wants to make sure one of the legacies he has, whether he is the nominee or not, that the independents that supported him in this campaign, and changed trajectory of the democratic primary, continue to have a voice in the democratic party going forward. trish: this gets back to what kennedy and david said, kennedy was a lots of bernie sanders
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supporters will feel they were cheated, they deserved it, they didn't get it maybe it was because the ap came out with a story too early. david: what do you think, neil? are you at all suspicious of the fact that ap came out with the story. >> i think there is no doubt that ap's decision to essentially decide the nomination last night, before voters millions of voters went to the polls today was harmful to bernie sanders. kennedy: you look at california democratic establishment. one of the greatest institutions in the country. that -- it is established because of roots go back for so long, with the clintons. it seems like they just completely have hosed bernie sanders in california. you know -- >> we're early in the voting right now.
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kennedy: but not that early, you have a third of the vote in, not looking good. he is losing by a lot. so, if he goes all the way to the chri convention to philadel, do you think that democratic party, is actually going to give him a voice, physically and let him speak at the convention and some platform charges? >> i think that it would be a historic mistake for the democratic party to not give bernie sanders the millions of supporters he recruited a voice in philadelphia. we'll see. i don't think they will make that mistake, i think that move from president obama on down tomorrow, will give us a good leading indication of where it will be. kennedy: president obama is the lamest of lame ducks. he is not going to make it happen, there is nothing he will do for bernie sanders right now.
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trish: what happens to the folks like yourself, that feel like they got cheated out of something? are they going to migrate to the other side, we'll see, thank you neil. good to have you here. this is california data, it is continuing to come in, but hillary clinton, look at that. bernie sanders is going to talk to his supporters shortly, is he going to drop out? coming up next. trump delegate, gin jean how itt change trump's game plan.
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trish: welcome back, we're continuing to watch the results, you can see they have been hovering around this arena,. david: been at 32% in for about a half hour now, there is something happening here. trish: it is too close to call. bernie is going to address his supers -- supporters joining me now, conservative, gina loudon, what you are hearing from bernie sanders supporters if he does not succeed in california. is he going to be out? >> i think that damage was done earlier today. when ap said what they said, i
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heard from a lot of sanders supporters who said, can you tell he how to get in touch with trump people, i am fed up with the establishment. point me in the right direct, they are not saying they are republicans, i think this is moran antiestablishment stand that donald trump will reap benefits from. trish: you heard donald trump, this evening in his speech, he propositioned those bernie sanders supporters, said you know, we need you over here issue we welcome you. and highlighted how unfair high thinks that this superdelegate system. is we heard from a bernie sanders supporter who said he is not going to trump, but he did hope that bernie sanders would be able to have influence over the process, so 4 years from now, democrats would not be dealing with this superdelegate system, which you know, has made it challenging for someone like
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bernie sanders, who may have had popular support to lock unthe nomination. >> yeah, i do think that we'll see a good portion of his supporters jump. and we'll see how many that actually is. but i don't think this hillary continuing to walk and talk bike establishment, and -- like establishment and g.o.p., like they are tone deaf to everything that trump has accomplished, in a single shot, he has dismantled g.o.p. establishment, democratic establishment and media establishment, now he goes fors judicial actism establishment. trish: it is incredible when you consider what he has done with no real political background, that seems to be what people like the most, he is not a wind
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up doll or politician that is reading from a teleprompter. he did a good job. this is one of challenges, i would think for hillary clinton, i know you are a trump supporters, you have a bias in this, if you were you know trying to put your hat on democratic side, and try to help hillary clinton, as a candidate, going up against someone like trump, what is it that you think she needs to do to be more competitive? >> put the establishment politics 101 book aside, and speak from your heart, assuming it is in there still, it has been so long that has come out of her that sounds authentic. part of me wants to like her just a little bit, but i watch her, i think, i just don't believe anything she says. i think even her own supporters
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that i talked to they agree with me about, that they don't believe a lot of things she sa says. trish: she is a poor candidate, you think back how tremendous her husband of at campaigning and remembering people, and their names, that matters, when you are on the campaign trail. it really does. i wonder, could he have not maybe taken her aside given her morad -- advice on that. >> there is also this -- trish: maybe she does not have that tip. kennedy: maybe she doesn't want to hear from him? maybe she does noses doesn't war the campaign, she is the one telling him where to go, what to say, if you look at where he has been, he goes to places that she does not want to go, to smaller states, smaller venues, she
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trying to have the big rock star rallies, that bernie has been able to whip up, she is very much in control, he by the way has lost a lot of luster, he is certainly a step slower, much more prone to missteps than he ever was. trish: thank you so much gina loudon, we're staying with our panel, watching results come in from california, still too close to call, bernie sanders however will take to the stage any minute. will we bow out? we're back right after this.
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stand still. david: 33%. >> how do you like that, 62.2% to 36.7%. so, you know, note not the kind of showing, still early but not what we were anticipating most polls had them neck-and-neck. kennedy: one poll with bernie sanders up by a points, but the rcp average was 2 percentage point, and bernie had so much momentum into california, a lot of people, i put it out twitter, saying it was ap story, perhaps sanders fans saying she already has it. deirdre: it could have hurt hillary clinton, and i could say homism that appears to have not happened, a lot of people talking about voter fraud. in state of california, i don't trust that democratic party as
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far as they can throw them in the golden state, shade -- something is rotten in the state of california. trish: you're the californian but a lot of bernie sanders supporters will be echoing that sentiment in the morning and exvento night. i think what happened, what will happen over next few days is, pressure will be on bern to give up. from president, and -- you mentioned harry reid, i think that president will have more influence than harry reid. but, i think all full force of the establishment, i know he ise said he is for breaking up the way things have been done, but when all that pressure comes to bear on an individual who is running for president, it will be hard for him to continue to go come friday. deirdre: according to politico sanders is meeting with
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president obama and harry reid. but he does have a lot of strength in the north, hometown girl that is the logging, the areas that are sort of pro-worker. trish: let me add color to this, mend sino county, humboldt, and the emerald triangle. you know that two-thirds of their economy in this region, came from marijuana. two-thirds, you know i'm just saying, it is a liberal. david: too busy toking to vote. trish: i wonder if he sees you know a significant amount of support in this particular area? it is -- deirdre: hawkish progressives in the great state of california. kennedy: not just the dirty hippies, you have kern county,
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and places with gross government mismanagement of water, the same voters that donald trump has been talking to, about delta smelt, and state's economy has been sac sacrificed by a tiny st fingers fish. deirdre: but both of those candidates are ones talking about jobs, you look at map of any state, it is there does seem to be overlap, whether you turn right or left. donald trump and bernie sanders are the ones talking about jobs. david: what also changes, you see, even before, you saw republican winning governorship in massachusetts, a lot of places, maryland historically democrats for generations turning more conservative. it has not happened on national level as much as local, california is one of last holdouts, we should remember this was ronald reagan's hometown he controlled state for a lot of 60s as governor, but it
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changes, and people thought it was never going back it may be in process of changing, we may be in the beginning of that. trish: i think that country is in a interesting spot, you see a total redistribution if you would of parties as we know them. we talked about it before in the night, you could have so many union members appreciably supporting -- potentially supporting donald trump, you have not seen that since reagan days. and conservatives that are interested in supporting hillary clinton. david: the last democratic to the president who had a moderate economy policy was bill clinton, i guess that public does not believe hillary, when she says he will be in charge of the economy. deirdre: i like idea of country at a cross-roads, every 4 years you can say it but it does feel
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this year. kennedy: the republican party in california is a disaster only 27% of voters there, and almost 45% registered democrat, talk about redistricting. trish: it was great to have you all here, it was a historic night, hillary clinton first woman to top major ticket, my thanks to deirdre bolton, david asman, and kennedy, and lou dobbs, and liz claman. you watch fox business tomorrow starts at fbn a.m., five a.m. eastern we'll have continued coverage of elect 2016, and its impact our economy, i am back at 2:00 -- and a passion to build something better. and what an amazing time it's been, decade after decade of innovation, inspiration and wonder.
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