i guess he's got a dog in the hunt. >> if he was a prize fighter he would be knocked out in the first round. lou: steve forbes, thank you. we are coming right back with full report on the terrorist attacks at ataturk airport. good evening. i'm lou dobbs. we are following breaking news. the deadly terrorist attack in europes third biddiest airport, the ataturk airport in istanbul. there were as many as four suicide bombers involved in this attack. one of the suicide bombers detonated himself outside a security checkpoint. according to the a.p., initial indications from turkish officials suggests the islamic state carried out the attack. the turkish prime minister said

36 people are confirmed dead. early report have the death toll as high as 50. that number is rising. the revised number. at the same type the number of those wounded in the bombing has risen to 147 as a result of both gunfire and bomb explosions. the turkish government officials are expecting the death toll to rise. the attack comes on the second anniversary of the islamic state's declaration of its caliphate and that is likely not mere coincidence. joining us, retired u.s. navy captain chuck nash. deirdre bolton from fox business network. chuck, this is a pattern that is intensifying. the number of terrorist attacks around the world on a daily basis are rising dramatically. the islamic state we are told by this administration, they have

managed to contain, to constrain. they have not. >> they haven't contained and constrained. but they are far from winning the war. it is nasty, it is brutal. they pull no punches. and they will slaughter innocent. we have seen it time and again. we have to get our minds straight on the enemy we are dealing with and attack it at its core. its course its ideology. we are hung up with the war on terrorism as if that's some generic thick. this is very, very specific. the militant islamic ideology. when you start to get into the religion and start to look at it, we ought to be focusing on that aspect of it, not just random acts of terror. lou: this is the third busiest airport in all of europe. these four attackers got through

and set off at least three of them set off their bombs. it's early and there is cash and everywhere. but that appears to be the case. and there is a discussion about whether or not we should go after the enemy. this is mind boggling. deirdre: especially when you start to look at some of the other details. no one has claimed responsibility for this. lou: let me say, the turkish government has said it is the islamic state. and every marker here suggests the islamic state. and it's the second anniversary of the caliphate being today. deirdre: everything about this looks so much like what we saw in brussels. that is to say, the attackers, the attackers, terrorists even ganging with the police, firing off. >> kalashnikov, coordinated

suicide bombers, and to the point the captain just made, attacking a soft target, attacking innocents. we know turkey has had tension. they have had a lot of persecuted the kurds and certain extreme parts of the kurdish party. but they always go for military targets. isis has always gone for us every day. civilians, travelers, they have gone for impact we see on screens here. we have gone for tourism, hurting local economy. all the markers. as you point out, the second anniversary of its identity. i guess in this gruesome way celebrated. lou: the military understands what's at stake here. there are -- there is a terrific establishment within the pentagon that has been working

on what is a long war for a very long time. we have doctrine that suggested that there be a long war. authored by none other than general david petraeus. we are launching a war unfold that is claiming increasing numbers of victims, and yet our military is held back by a commander-in-chief who does not want to engage, and there is a certain rationale to it. he wants to get out of office and wants to lead this to some other -- leave this to some other president and his role in history to be examined years down the way. is in fact this administration's policy of not going out and killing the enemy, is it in fact contributing to the damage and the growth itself of the islamic state? >> i'm afraid it is. we are kicking the can down the road.

the next president will have his hands full when he or she walks into that oval office. things are not getting better. we are in a stalemate. what will break that is when we start to get mass operations, mass coordinated operations like we saw in paris and here. at a turkey airport, in istanbul. there was another attack similar to this that was broken up in duesseldorf. they were going to attack what is jokingly called the world's longest bar, the main drag in duesseldorf. but it was broken up by an intelligence operation. if they were to start showing up here -- i'm not talking about the shooter that go goes into a nightclub in orlando -- i'm talk about three, four bombers who

start raking the survivors in the crowd with automatic weapons fire. people will wake up and say okay, we have been trying to deal with this by treating the symptoms. it's time now to go after the core disease before it kills us. lou: all of this is having an impact in europe. we are watching pressures rise because of the syrian refugee crisis. those refugees. those illegal immigrants for southern and then the heart of europe on to germany. we are watching an entire continent now afraid not at the -- fraying not at the edges, but actually fractured. with the departure of the u.k. and the dissention and unrest within europe itself. this will have in the near term an impact on the economy that is much greater than brexit, the

so-called geniuses, whether they figure that out or not. deirdre: the ice is cracking. we can hear it. but for events like this, it reinforces to what extent whatever weakness will be exploited. holexploited. holland will have a referendum soon. france will as well. the larger point is at one point economically the idea of the european union was so that you could have a passport from a member state, work in another. the idea whether with it failed or not, was to have a region that could compete with asia and compete with us. but you can't live like that when these kinds of events are happening on your soil. lou: the madness of what europe has done couldn't be clearer. i look at millions, hundreds of thousands of refugees coming into the country.

they don't speak the language of europe, whether it be french or german or english. their culture is entirely different. and apparently the european union, the commission and all of the national leaders of europe have forgotten the original purpose of the european union was to standardize and bring forward a shared language and shared culture to overcome all of that. and what they have done instead is import extraordinary disruption in contrast with all that they have been trying to build. >> they imported the seeds of their own destruction. it started in bringing up cheap labor from the south. this will sound fairly familiar it was post-world war ii. bringing cheap labor from the south. further on into the 20th century realizing western birth rates declined and they needed the cheap labor.

they brought up people. they had a lot of welcoming and social programs to take care of people that encouraged people 20 to come up. now before this obama administration leaves we will have brought in 1.1 million immigrants from muslim countries, many of whom have not been properly documents because we are in a rush, a surge to bring in a bunch more before december because the president leaves office in january. that's the goal of the state department now and everybody is trying to bring in more and more and more. all we are doing is -- it's like somebody from europe once said, one of the ministers once said, we are heading over a cliff. and we look in our rearview mirror and there you are, and wee wonder why. lou: imagine erdogan who has had to govern a country that is caught up in all of the nationalistic impulses in

addition to the sectarian violence that is brewing within his country as well as the borders, whether you turn toward the kurds or the islamic state. then you are watching europe fracture and northern africa itself destabilized. these are tough choices that the leaders of not only turkey, but all of the european union have to contend with. we'll be updating what has happened in istanbul and ataturk airport. we'll be back with captain chuck nash, deirdre bolton and more straight ahead.

lou: let's update on the broking news at the istanbul airport at the ataturk airport. we would like to warn you the video coming in and what we are about to show you is very graphic. avert your eyes baits is when i say -- because when i say graphic, it's grisly and dramatic. security cameras. you are looking at one of the suspected suicide bombers being shot. the suspect was shot by the police officer. you will notice the officer begins approaching the suspect. then he becomes aware of the

suicide vest and runs from him. the officer makes the run for it as the suspected terrorist continues to struggle. the next part of the video is graphic with the terrorist detonating his vest. and i think it's safe to say we don't need to use the word suspected terrorist there. joining us now is a former member of the turkish parliament who served in the european union. turkey joint parliamentary committee. he's a senior fe fellow. and a homeland security consultant it's good of you both to be here. if i may, akim, your reaction to this level of violence. we have seen a number of car bombings in turkey in the earlier part of the month.

but nothing approached the level of the sophistication and the just power of this attack. what is your -- what are your thoughts? >> isis struck turkey before and twice in istanbul. they have -- this attack is in line with isis' m.o. in turkey and isis earlier has targeted political rallies that ran up to and after the november election. and you have to remember that isis continues to fire across the syrian bored into turkey. on all fronts there seems to be quite an intense isis activity in and around turkey. the turkish government so far has seemed to be quite helpless in preventing those attacks.

lou: there is also considerable politics at work here. the motivation of the islamic state in going after turkey, one of the most powerful military members, european states, and at the same time, a nation that is moving from secular to sectarian w erdogan obviously moving toward some would say radical islam. and certainly appeasing radical islam. but apparently to no effect. your thoughts. >> we should reminds or viewers, 99% of the people who live in turkey are of muslim faith. the vast majority of suicide bombs kill muslims around the world. this is another example of that. lou: but at the same time it's intensifying the attacks in turkey and the scale of the

attacks is clearly with this attack. three we are being told, now that there were three suicide bombers. we have seen two of the video, two of them exploding very powerful blast. what is your thought about what the government is doing, why it' not doing more, because this is obviously a war on turkey by the islamic state. >> turkey has over 2.5 million refugees from syria that are beth in camps as well as all over turkey. and it's very difficult to control the population when you have so many -- 2.5 million people. 10% of the people who used to live in syria now live in turkey. on top of it, what we learned from brussels is there is a lack of information sharing across europe.

as britain industry cas -- extricates itself out of the european union. how do we share information and how do law enforcement agencies work with each other. the next phase of this is not just economical. it's how do we secure ties in europe in a way where they can share information and coordinate resources because isis is starting to coordinate. lou: europe right now is in the midst of a rupture that i don't think anyone anticipated would reach this level this quickly. you couldn't say that europe is destabilized. but at the same time you have to kind of wonder if you can use the word stable when you are watching the impact of the u.k. leaving. the european union.

the terrorist attacks within the nation states of the 27 remaining states of the european union. how badly does turkey want to be part of that? and what are their real choices here? >> until quite recently president erdogan was talking to bring turkey away from europe. but this foreign policy seems to have failed miserablely over the past couple years. when we look atered ganls sectarian policies, this seems to be at the heart of turkey's current problems. we have to remember that on a few years ago the former prime minister used to call isis members angry youth.

he was downplaying the isis threat. and the turkish government would see isis and al-nusra and jihaddist organizations as tactical allies in doing the dirty work bringing dawn assad and fighting against the separatist kurds. we used to warn the turkish government that turning a blind eye to extremism in turkey was dangerous. now we see turkey is in the grasp of extremism. jihadism. and the latest pew poll shows 8% of turkish citizens show some sympathy to isis. the issue is not just fighting militant terrorists. but how do we support the ideology and the sympathy for isis that's ingrained in turkish population.

lou: we thank you for being with us. thank you, gentlemen, i appreciate your insight. stay with us as we continue to bring the latest out of turkey. suicide bombers attacking europe's third busiest airport. cash and in their wake. 3 dead. we'll have the latest for you on u.s. intelligence and their assessment. fox news catherine herridge working her sources. she'll have the latest for us. lieutenant colonel ralph peters will be joining us as we continue our coverage of the

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terrorist attacks. four terrorists explode their vests. joining me is catherine herridge. is there -- are we learning much from your intelligence sources? do they know more? it's oh recent. all these developments. we know 14 people wound and at last count 3 people dead. >> the first thing tonight is i want to draw everyone's attention to that video of one of the attackers entering the airport with what looks like a machine gun or ak-47. you see the bomber get wound in the hip and fall to the ground. when he's approached by the security guard he reaches inside his coat and set off the detonation key. this is important. because if this intent had simply been to walk i to the

airport and take out as many passengers as possible with a suicide vest he would have walked in without that machine gun or ak47. i believe this is an ipped kateor part of the mission was to force their way into that airport and take whose tables. and the suicide vest was part of plan b. once they had taken the hostages and they were in the final stable of the plot, he had the option of taking himself out. this is important, because this is something that separates this attack from what we saw in brussels with the suitcase bombs. they were not armed with weapons. they walked in, they got close to the check-in december be and detonated suitcases packed with explosives. a final point we just learned from the turkish prime minister is that the bombers took a taxi to the airport. this is the pattern we did see

with the isis-directed terrorists in brussels. they took a taxi, dropped them off, kind of, you know, no sort of connection to any others who might have helped them back those explosives and carry out the attacks. lou: you make terrific point there. at the same time we also know the security around ataturk international airport is layered. it's a very difficult, even more difficult than most airports that people travel to, whether they are in europe or the youth. because they have so many levels of security. perhaps those weapons if i can speculate might have been deemed necessary to get through to the areas they wanted to attack. we know they wanted to blow up the arrivals area. at least that much is clear.

reporter: the her thing we -- the other thing we know is the administration is deeply involved after the attack at the istanbul airport. there has been a briefing of the president, the attorney general and the homeland security secretary. they understand there may be direct implications for american airports and the vulnerabilities here for anyone direct or inspired by a terrorist group. lou: as always, terrific reporting. we appreciate it have much. up next, the latest on the attacks in turkey. ascrat remember just reported. home landlord security officials saying it's continuing to closely monitor event at closely monitor event at istanbul airport. thank you. ordering chinese food is a very predictable experience. i order b14. i get b14. no surprises.

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lou: joining me is lieutenant colonel ralph peters. i wanted to point out the structure of turkey. we are talking about a nation of almost 80 million people. a tremendous economy. and a country that is in the absolute nexus of every current that seems to be at work in europe and southern europe in particular, whether it be radical islam or economies in collapse. or the islamic state with terrorists. what is driving in turkey of all places attacks like this tonight and again the numbers are 3 dead and 147 wounded. three suicide bombers and we are still waiting for further update on the casualties. >> the strategic figure is

president erdogan in turkey is not nearly radical enough for al-nusra. he's radical by our standard. and he thought he could hang the snakes and use the islamist groups to overthrow assad. it didn't work. the saudis, pakistan, you can't exploit islamist a that -- fanatics. he was in syria not so many troops on the ground other than special forces, but he was starting to turn against them. so erdogan who was initially good for turkey. he got that economy going. was good for turkey. lou: the leadership was secular. >> it was fake secular. he always had the muslim

brotherhood agenda. he has a country that was thriving and should be thriving is coming apart. turkey was always the crossroads of empierts where cultured collide. we are seeing it return to a clash of civilization and barbarism. lou: 80% are muslim. how many of this drive toward radical islam on the part of erdogan is a mood of the people, a direct from them? >> it's a mood of the countryside. and less educated. when i first went to turkey in the 70s and 80s. you wouldn't see head scarves in

istanbul. turkey was relatively secular. but the last time i went to iraq and eastern turkey you are seeing the full niqab. head-to-to full covering. erdogan is taking his country backwards. he's a believer in radical islam. just not as radical as isis. tonight you saw the harvest where the islamic terrorists attacked the tourist industry and you are question itself. lou: and dispensed with the infidel in more than one way. up next the latest on the attacks in turkey. a turkish government official saying the vast majority of those killed were turkish nationals. but some foreigners were also

among the dead. we'll have the latest as soon as we learn more. this attack bears remarkable similarities by the suicide bombing at the brussels airport back in march. andrew peak joins me here in just moments.

lou report turkish prime minister saying air traffic through ataturk international airport has now resumed following the terrorist attacks. but airports around the globe are on high alert. turkish officials say two suspects blew themselves up at the airport. the port authority of new york and new jersey reacting to those attacks, including armed high-visibility patrols.

joining me now, former u.s. army intelligence officer andrew beak. this is what, this is the 7th move attacks in turkey. radical islamists carrying out those attacks. why is turkey suddenly becoming a favored target of the islamic state? >> turkey made the cardinal mistake of believing president obama when he said he wanted to remove president bashar al-assad. turkey committed to that fight and was left holding the bag once no reinforcements showed up. in their desperation they reached for any tool at hand from al qaeda to the moderates to what became isis and isis got away from them. lou: we are watching one of the strongest armies in continental

europe being held at bay by the islamic state, a terrorist organization. turkey finds itself in the position as much of the rest of europe in trying to fight an enemy that is in many regards not identified. it is not attracting a great interest on the part of the government until something like this happens. then again they just sort of slip away. why can't governments advanced governments with advanced military in the islamic state? >> turkey's situation is actually worse than you described. they are simultaneously at war with russia and iran's proxies in the syria, they are at war with our proxy the kurds, and the sunni proxies. they are essentially isolated.

why can't governments more body handle this issue? you will never win the numbers game from the intelligence side. there is too big a recruiting pool for this group. without taking common sense surveillance measures there will be is no way forward. >> our military engaged in long wars which seemed to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. andrew pique. peek, thanks for being with us. lou: initial findings point to the islamic state as being responsible for the attacks. dr. jaser joins me next.

lou: joining us not you president of the american forum for islamic justice. 300 people have been killed in turkey. why are these attacks accelerating on the part of the islamic state against turkey which is not predominantly -- 98% of which is muslim, and it has a government that has been at the very least, accommodating to the islamic state and other radical islamists? >> i think that's the greatest question. it would seem the islamists in turkey have been feeding the precursors of isis against the al-assad regime. why would they do this in the assad regime -- my family told me this from h -- from aleppo ad

damascus because they wanted to depopulate the area of sunnis. they are fighting afghani shiia militants, the sectarian battle has been sunni and shiia. isis wants the refugees not to have a home in europe or turkey. the more they can make it inhospitable for them within the lands of islam, istanbul is one of those centers, they want those refugees to start coming back to fight the war against assad. until we treat the cancer at its root which is not only isis in sir jar and iraq, but the assad regime. they will continue to have attacks against the softer targets. >> the assad regime in this case

is the enemy of turkey. its ally is return which is increasingly the enemy of turkey. how does erdogan maneuver through this and at the same time being attacked by the islamic state for the motivation you suggested, but also simply to drive the infidels from the region? >> that's the great question. the adults in the room here and the world need to be the west. need to be mayor car. old islamists. or the assad regime that claims to be so-called against terror are actually the all drop. the assad regime, assad has been exerting a genocide of almost half a million against the sunnis.

that method of dealing with terrorism. they allow radical islam to grow to legitimize the military dictatorship. and they don't want to see their alternative is also a form of fascisim that the turks are dealing with internally. the only solution to that is to find a third pathway in the middle east. until we have leadership out of the white house, state department and d.o.d. that's started to work on that third pathway. yopathway. tunisia has found a third path way. lou: you describe a mission that if not impossible, sounds like one of the most difficult ever for the west. it raises the question whether it is a mission that we should

be on, that is the united states and europe. can you give us your thought on that as we wrap up? >> the mission without america's presence will befilled filled by the russias of the world, the rawns, saucedy arain yaz. isolationism will allow them to grow. and they will come attack us because the greatest threat to their theocracies is freedommite were troops or freedoms. lou: more on the deadly tearoff attacks on the second anniversary of the islamic state's declaration of its caliphate. donald trump and hillary clinton commenting on the attacks tonight.

lou: donald trump moments ago in ohio talking about the turkey attacks. >> i wanted to talk about a few things, and then as you know we had a suicide bombing, istanbul, turkey, many, many people killed, many, many people injured. folks, there is something going on that's really, really bad. all right? it's bad. and we better get smart and we better get tough or we won't have much of a country left. okay? it's bad. lou: hillary clinton released statement saying in part, all americans stands united with the people of turkey against this campaign of hatred and violence. joining me now sarah westwood, and matt schlapp. sarah, as we have done over the course this hour, talking about

what is happening in turkey. we know 36 people dead. the death toll expected to rise. 140-some people wounds. attacking ataturk international airport as a soft target. but one that's important to tourism. desperately important to the people of turkey. and now international airports around the globe on alert. this administration continues to tell us the islamic state can't do what it's doing almost daily. >> exactly. and hillary clinton's statement essentially doubles down on the policies that clearly aren't working. this just shows this major point of contention between hillary clinton and donald trump. donald trump in the wake of this is advocating for strength. he's advocating on increased military presence in syria. reality is.

until islamic state is unable to control a large swath of territory in that region, then they will continue to grow as a threat. and this is now the world will look until that threat is eliminated. hillary clinton's advocacy for a repeat of the policies that have gone the us here in the first place is probably not going to help her look like she can handle the situation. lou: donald trump talking about something bad as it were here, it's an interesting phrase. there is the sense that there is much more at work in the global war on radical islamist terror than we are acknowledging or that this administration is acknowledging. or responding to intelligently or effectively. what do you think of his choice of words and their meaning. >> you know, i think he speaks very clearly. and he is communicating to the american people and connecting

to their fear. let me tell you. these pundits and people who keep saying these voters are angry as if they are emotionally not thinking straight -- lou: it's a way to trivialize the voter and dismiss the 15 million who voted for donald trump particularly. >> he uses the word "bad," i will say this is seefl being used to upset the balance of the globe. he connects to the fact that the american people in their hearts connect to be what this is. and they know they want america wiped off the map. i think it plays into what's happening in europe. a lot of people say turkey should be part of the eu. this kinds of immigration can go through all europe. the point is this. this is very topical. this actually hits to real policy problems we have around the globe. >> there is no real debate -- if

it were not for donald trump, there would be just simply a move forward here talking about the war on terror. no discussion of radical islamist terror if it were not for donald trump. you can talk about issue after issue if it weren't for the presence much donald trump. now the nominee of the republican party, there wouldn't have been a debate on the most important fundamental issues facing this great nation. >> i think one of the things donald trump has done well is call out the administration for refusing to associate this kind of violence with radical islam. that is what the problem is, this ideology, being able to reach and radicalized people in the united states. we have to attack that ideology. that's something donald trump recognizes. people are frustrated watching the administration trying to down play this violence and it's something he has done well.

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