boost. people are wondering how she is going to change her demeanor now that we know she is the official nominee. we will take it through the next couple of hours. great to be with you we will follow the festivity through the next few hours. they will be joining you. it will be an exciting day two. over the course of the evening. enjoy now by monica crowley and the former white house political director ed rollins.

he is a. in this arena where a highly energized set of folks had just exploded with the nomination. making it official. my acclamation. supporting the nomination of hillary clinton. michael goodwin tonight all three are fox news contributors. let me move to you. waiting to come on the air when new york pushed hillary clinton over the top. it really did it.

there leader said that. we are going to support her. there seems to be really be that. a lot of them have moved on from him. they are deeply invested in this. they are willing to go forward with or without him. i think they are going to get on board with mrs. clinton. lou: your thoughts on the nomination. it's now official. and the staff and go get him.

and we are moving on. it's tuesday night. and she is the nominee. we disagree with her on most issues. you can't argue with that qualifications. bernie sanders showed a great deal of class. i differ with him severely but as her husband is coming on to redesign the democratic party from the liberal days and made it more of the centrist party 20 years ago. now they have moved it back as far left as i have ever seen in my lifetime. i think that as a ticket she has to run on. she is not as projected a smaller a leader.

it's not a strong leader. it's worth noting like you i lived through that. becoming president of the united states. bill clinton made a sharp left turn. they started pushing the agenda. in memory. it was beat back by the congressman in the senate. they introduced them to the idea of the governance. the good news for that. of time is for the republicans to take over the house we thought it was not possible.

i think to a certain extent that will be the entity that keeps whoever gets elected on the straight and narrow. this candidate in this nominee has a support. it was pretty clear to me that bernie sanders always forgiven within 24 hours. they will cheer on the official a nominee. but the folks outside this room is where the resolution -- the revolution took place and there may be a significant distance between the nominee and their hearts at least those who are disappointed in the way they are concluding the candidacy here. >> i think what we had witnessed tonight was two kinds of history. the most important one of course is the first to win a

national political nomination for president. hillary clinton certainly deserves congratulations for persevering if nothing else. we also witnessed the history when we saw the crowd erupting for bernie sanders. when you think about it by comparison ted cruz was booed off the stage at that republican convention. he was a second place finisher. it is often confusing as to whether he has won or lost. to see the second place finisher do so well and be so popular and be held as inspiring candidate is just the winning candidate. it is a great event. i think to your point we should also point out an

important distinction between the two parties. it is not there nominee despite how much applause they may have gotten here. in the grassroots favorite of the republican party is there nomination. that has to be considered. a significant advantage. all of the energy and enthusiasm on enthusiasm on the republican side is with the donald trump. the grassroots and actually going to come out here and vote in november and those who are going to volunteer on the democratic side what he points out is true. history. all of the energy and enthusiasm is not with the nominee it is with the 74-year-old confirmed socialist. he has the younger votes. that's the future of the democratic party. it shows you how far left it is moved.

that is incorrect. barack obama has dragged this party back to the radical left from the center where bill clinton had brought it. this is the democratic party. it is no longer that. when he comes to that podium tonight to speak he speaking to a party in a group of people that don't really go with him anymore. he is still relatively possible. -- popular. he is speaking to a different country in a different democratic party than months he one he provided over in the '90s. >> no matter what form it takes. he steps up and does something like he did in 2012. in giving terrific speech i believe he saved the candidacy of barack obama and made him a

true term president almost single-handedly. what are your thoughts on that. >> there's no one more talented than a political strategist than bill clinton. his presidency may have have some flaws but when you get in a room and you look at how to run a campaign. you can do it with the best. he will rise to the occasion. with some frailty that he didn't have in the past. he did understand the changes going on. i think his endorsement and his credibility and torts towards his life will be very important. one of the interesting things to watch in the speech is will he repudiate many of his own policies as hillary already has and really had to to get the nomination. i think that will be an interesting observation tonight about how far does

bill clinton go and conceding that this is not the same party. i don't know if he will do that or not. but i do know this if he does it's going to slow down his delivery. thank you all. we appreciate you being with us. >> we need to change our foreign policy destroying isis award you didn't care last night at the democratic convention. you did not hear it. they don't want to talk about it. because in a very true way they really established isis because of weakness. lou: become of weakness. we are live at the wells fargo center in philadelphia.

it is the democratic national convention. a lot of exciting speeches ahead. they are going to be interesting. none the less. i had been fully briefed on who they actually are. stay with us.

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>> he is having a ball here. and the obama administration today having a little fun too. not unintentionally and without some regard for the impact. today it will announce that it will admit for refugees amidst a growing a assert on our southern border. the administration's move comes just hours after speakers and lasix convention focus on illegal immigration taking aim donald trump on the issue. they believe that mexican immigrants our murderers and rapists but what about my parents. >> texas used to be part of mexico. my family never crossed the border. i'm scared at any moment my

mom and my dad will be forced to leave. lou: and to take all of that. the democratic superdelegates. he serves on the house appropriation committee. now, i have to say those are touching moments in the and the rhetoric was touching was also in my judgment a little demagogic. but much from the heart and you have to admire that. is that the way the debate is going to go. i think it is. i think both sides are very strong on their position. i'm one of those individuals we can attest to that, the one we been seen it for 15 years. we have to make sure that we have taken come to a consensus.

the last time we have immigration reform it was with the democrats that got together. i've seen the platform of the democratic party. i don't agree with all of it. >> one hundred days for amnesty. >> i don't believe in that. i want to make sure we have a on citizenship or at least legalize the folks that are here. lou: how do you get over the games that have been played. all of these organizations from the right. all of them from the left. you have president bush talking about their jobs americans won't do. if there has ever been a cry of racism in the country to suggest they want to a job but

that the illegal immigrants must. how do you rationalize that. i represent an area where we have a lot of agriculture other industries and again there is some truth to what they're saying. in the sense there are people that advertise jobs and they can't get them. >> i can tell you for 40 years that has been the case. during that type of work is very hard. my father and mother they worked as workers. they wanted to make sure the kids got a good education and moved up. >> and moving with migrant labor at the time. i will attest some of the greatest working people i have

ever been associated with. but the reality is don't you believe there has to be consequences. i want to see more law enforcement on the border i want to see more technology in fact one of the things i head in the appropriation was money for more of those. i am a law and order a democrat. i think that we have to make sure that we haven't dollars to make sure that we secure the border. we had known each other for a long time but i have to tell you when i was watching those

videos there also should be some hard thinking videos about the victims and the addicts that are created from that marijuana and the heroin and the offender means that are crossing it. and as you say cocaine. he goes comes across that border comes and major supply of those coming to the country. we still had people that you don't want to secure the border. i want to say that. i do not believe in open borders. i believe in making sure that we can do that. it's one of the things i can see. in securing the border have to make sure that you have consequences because if you don't people are to come in

without fearing any sort of consequence they come across. this is definitely going to be one of the determinative issues of the campaign. it's always good to talk with you. we wish you all of the very best. i was proud of it. it's one of those things that is exciting. thank you congressman. lou: the wall street speaking. it's not eggs or brent exuberant if they are able to pay. that is the wall street. it is still the subject of heated political debate. and a newly released political ad. using bernie sanders to make their powerful point. >> secretary clinton has given some speeches to wall street where she's made over $200,000

a speech. must be a good speech. if it's such a good speech that everybody think. that everybody think. a pretty good ad. the government accountability institute. the foreign governments and businesses and helps them make it rich. it is pretty good at movie producer also. for free you can see this.

pretty good to have this. i want to complement you on the production as well as that. that is a compelling it is certainly for hillary clinton. how will is your movie doing? providing it for free viewing. how's it doing? >> thankfully it's great to be here. the first 48 hours more than 500,000 people have watched the video the number of people seeing it even more. we wanted as big of audience as possible. some of the watch counts are now close to 500,000.

i think that is what is so interesting about the film and clinton. it's not really a left right thing. were really talking about issues that are of interest to conservatives but also progressive voters. the bigger financial firms. things like the environment and human rights that sort of thing. lou: i want to turn to something, i have never seen main street media a ludicrous charge in the leak of all of the information that they released some 20,000 e-mails and then i thought about your book in your documentary talking about uranium one. and they signed off on the estimates that raged from 20

to 30% supply into 145 of those with the donation to the clinton foundation. >> that is right. who knows what the russian government is up to at any given moment. what we do know is when it comes to the clintons they have a strong financial tie relating to russia. right before the uranium transfer was approved. that is for a company called renaissance which is well known at the senior level. this is the uranium deal we are talking about. this is up involving money transfers. so the notion that the clintons have no connection is ludicrous.

it's long, at substantial and involves the very critical national security issues including as you mentioned american uranium. lou: can you compared to compare to what's going on here. people have no evidence whatsoever. and they ran with it in an instant. and the fbi director announcer is going to investigate almost the same day. so far not a peep from those same news outlets on uranium and that story. what do you make of that? >> i think that it is an issue in the problem. these dnc e-mails had reached a wealth of information.

the bottom line is we know for a fact that the clintons got $145 million from eight shareholders as hillary clinton. the transfer of uranium. the mainstream media is not interested in that story. lou: maybe all of that will change over the course of the campaign. thank you for being with us. let's go to that right now. >> thank you for bringing the so many young people into the electrical presses. stay engaged. stay involved and be sure to vote this november.

the republican presidential candidate the modern principles for which our nation was founded. we can and must do better. unfortunately the democratic nominee offers a stark contrast. in incompetence and experience to what they had chosen. i've run with hillary clinton for decades. she became the first woman chair. those with the least were treated the same as those with the most. there is the willingness to take on the most difficult challenges and to get things done. her life has been democrat dedicated to advancing human

rights. these are perilous at times we need some with a strong heart and a deep understanding of the issues challenges and opportunities in a steady hand. hillary clinton has my support and well also had yours. thank you all and god bless the united states of america. lou: coming up next tonight bernie sanders supporters walking out of the arena yelling rate. will they come together. it's day two of the national convention here in philadelphia look at that fence. i thought they didn't believe in fences. we continue to examine this

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lou: welcome back. we are coming to you live from wells fargo center in philadelphia. the democratic national convention day to. everything seems to be going sweet and smooth here. there was never any problem with the dnc leak issue. that scandal seemed to be set aside here. in an interview with nbc news earlier today the president went along with the democratic narrative.

the russians do have some influence in this race. i know that they have talked about this. what we do know is that the russians hacked our systems not just in government systems about private systems. but what that motives were i can't say directly what i do know. is that donald trump has repeatedly expressed admiration for vladimir. lou: repeatedly, he said. did he seem to put that presidency on the line on the story. jordan is now townhall.com. an attorney and radio talkshow host.

it's good having both here. i swear the president of the united states said that they said repeatedly how much love he has. i completely missed that? >> i heard him say one thing. he was say that. you make a good point. just a smidge. i know you can't believe that he would do such a thing. but i believe he was doing some exaggerating. i don't think everybody has forgot about the wiki leaks. everyone that was named in the scandal should be off with their head. there is a big contention of supporters that feel like this party is not representative of their wealth and they do have a problem with it. i think perhaps not here as much is out of there. they just did a walk out.

dozens of people walking past us chanting and that sort of rhetoric. you know what caught my attention was the president saying what we do know is that the russians have hacked some of our systems including private ones. they may have been hillary clinton's. was he asked to follow up on that. it was an interesting construction also. he went to that to whether if that is settled let's move on. i have to say i was astonished by the comments that he made. i shouldn't be but i was astonished that he would do that. >> the dnc between the superdelegate issue in the primary and now the leak but troublesome issue around the efforts made against bernie sanders they have to look internally. i think it's a mistake that we should just sweep it under the rug.

lou: they not only felt so strongly about this that they actually fired debbie wasserman schultz as the chair of this convention and the have of the democratic national committee and then what did they do because they were so outraged hillary clinton the official nominee of this party immediately hired her. >> that is accountability clinton style. they were aggrieved by this terrible collision of course they knew what was going on. they were probably directing that they have to have a follow-up woman. they been looking to get rid of her for a long time. she became basically the scapegoat in all of this. she gets shuffled away embarrassed turnout. we are going to write this injustice. and then i'm immediately a new job.

it is what we have come to expect from this group. >> this is where debbie wasserman schultz should've been outwardly and advocating for this. and that is a no go. it's more than that. it was in conclusion against bernie sanders. i do not understand why any supporters would not be outrage to hear it. you have just been beaten up. your candidate has lost due to a very tough and tight race. the only reason she one because it appeared of that. it is rate sober can forgive everything and move on. this is generally how the left operates. they are very good at the end of the day. linking arms in the common goal. they kept asking me what you

think about that. maybe he will hold out. he has been serving in congress and the u.s. senate here after year as an independent but when the chips are down the always plays the good soldier. he did that today. i feel like when the republicans wanted certain republicans to lobby around him. they were criticized. i was one of the few people that have a problem with ted cruz. they raked him over the coals. when it is all said and done they support the candidates. >> i think we have to go a deep her here. as a result of these wikileaks is that there was a deal for a big old jet airplane and sent it for bernie sanders. his supporters got screwed. he took advantage.

and now will be leading them to the promised land. and then in the case of ted cruz that is a big deal. the fact of the matter is donald trump comes out of it with the largest pump in four cycles. so who knows where hillary clinton will be. i think we will probably see about. it depends on that. whatever poll you look at. it went way up and then petered back down. it goes into the general election. bernie sanders benefited by the supporters feel screwed. watch this entire arena explode. applauding that. they knew the democratic party

but we didn't know how far. here is my big criticism about what he's doing it. it should not be about that. if it's about the issues he has to respect that many people feel like she is the best candidate for this issue. i think when folks watching across the country now they've seen this before it's not about them. it's about them. thank you very much. we appreciate it. there is more up next. when they get bored with one another but the republican nominee firing right back as you might expect. >> she is a disaster. she is the least productive senator in the united states.

first of all, she has less native american blood in her that i have. believe me. who watches such things and media. joins us a is a right after the break. later tonight the former president bill clinton will be no matter whether you are republican or democrat or what the other party independent. president clinton will be delighting in these folks we are told. that's all next. stay with us we are coming right back.

>> these are live pictures and video of bernie sanders supporters who are some chanting this is rigged. they had been going for some time a future to believe in. this is not a riot. we are sitting here looking at these pictures is the host of media buzz on the fox news channel. we have seen a walkout here tonight. this is a warm fuzzy things

for the democratic party. and i just got an ear full. all the sudden dozens of people chanted something about super delegates. they can go out as loudly as their hero. i think we tend to over do that. it gives a sense of action. the real problem here is the sense of party disunity here. that's what they hope to prevent --dash mac present. bernie sanders and we learned from the dnc leak in the e-mails part of the strategy there was to give them big old airplane. we don't know the rest of it. we know that part of what he's been doing here has been at

least insincere in that it is possibly motivated by something entirely apart from party principal into his own passion. it's a rate deal. his supporters have a right to be angry about those. they confirm what they suspected all along. they were tilting towards hillary. at the same time he was not a democrat until last year. he is not a party man. he sees himself as a leader of a movement but what we learned last he tried to rally behind hillary clinton. what he just it was for the party. he sold out all of the supporters in order to support

the party's nominee. that is what you do in politics when you have that. he just sold out his supporters without and acknowledgment. he did move her to the left which may hurt hurt in the general election. he got something out of it. there is now evidence that the democratic national committee was crooked. hillary clinton. i will go out on a limb and say she would've one anyway. bernie cannot expand that. these folks aren't buying it. they are minority. the people beyond americans who had supported bernie sanders we have no way to know

at this point. we have a sense of party unity at least in this. he is backing up his speech last night. builds clinton bill clinton given a speech tonight. that's what they want it to be about. the guy is a terrific speaker. but he has a tricky challenge here. he can't overshadow his wife. the politics have changed. he has to find a way to create and make her more likable. he has a threat a needle where they remember what they like about the clintons and the white house. but not the scandals and the impeachment and all of that.

the new head of the democratic national committee has just taken the stage. let's listen to what she has to say. i was always told a lady should never reveal her age. so i will simply say this i'm no spring chicken i have seen some things in my time as a child i lived through and survived the segregated south. at the time when america wasn't yet as great as it could be. as a grown woman i saw the first black president touch the face of a child like i once was. lifting his eyes towards a

better future. but i have never in all of my years seen a leader so committed to delivering that speech has hillary clinton. let me tell you when i first met hillary clinton when she graduated from law school she could have gone to work for a corporation instead she went to work. she didn't sit in the office she traded pumps for tennis shoes. she was undercover going door-to-door school to school investigating discrimination in the treatment of children with disabilities. during that same time donald trump was facing a subtle determination lawsuit.

hillary clinton risk her own safety to speak out into make a home for justice where there was none. it was at the firm that i met hillary clinton i was 22 years old and ready to fight i remember thinking who is the one who doesn't mess around. as southern girls we don't mess around that is a hillary clinton i know. that is who she is when nobody was watching she expands early childhood education. to help her when healthcare

for 8 million children in the first lady of the united states. and girls around the world as secretary of state. hillary has never forgotten what she learned that very first job. and they are here. the belief that every child black or white they deserve to have the opportunity to live up to their god-given potential. when i sat at the back of the bus i was told time and time again that it did not exist in people like me. i spent my life fighting to change that. just as hard for children everywhere. you've a champion.

you have a champion. as long as she is in charge were never going back. she is wound up getting the crowd wound up. i think she is doing a terrific job. instead of doing this the convention. in the scandal. that has reopened a lot of rules were talking about at the top of the segment. an interesting enough is the supporter and she fits seamlessly into the democratic national committee. and meanwhile what happened

she gets hired because of the outrage. by hillary clinton. what do you think of the festivities so far. >> they are trying to get the crowd while. and then barack obama. they have some star power here in philadelphia. thank you so much. so much appreciated. the first congressman to enjoys -- endorse donald trump. as night two of the democratic national convention continues right here in philadelphia. stay with us.

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which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet? lou: donald trump was greeted by loud cheers at the vfw convention. that was a stark contrast to the reception they gave hillary clinton yesterday. he took aim at clinton.

>> the other candidate in this race, you know her name, crooked hillary clinton, and believe me, folks, she is crooked. it's like she is trying to sweep it under the rug. which by the way politicians have done for years and years and years. it will be four more years of the same if she ever got in. but that's not going to happen. lou: joining me now is congressman chris collins. the first congressman to endorse donald trump. congressman, are you watching -- as we are watching what's unfolding on the campaign trail, that is mike pence and donald trump campaigning while hillary clinton began on the campaign trail and moved quickly to the convention, ways your sense of where this race is? you got new polls showing a tightening race and trump in the

lead. but they are trying to build a bounce in their nominee. >> what a continues in the two conventions. the energy and how united we were at the republican convention versus the mess the democrats have on their hands with the resignation of debbie wasserman-schultz to begin the convention and bernie sanders delegates walk out. hillary clinton is corrupt to the core. she is a liar and she is smug about it as she lied to the american public. she can't be trusted. some say is she grossly incompetent or just unsophisticated as director comey said. hillary clinton has yet to give the public a reason to vote for her. she is the secretary of the status quo.

she may attack donald trump, but even as some of donald trump -- the folks who don't like donald trump have said. donald trump gave people a reason to vote for him in our convention. make america safe again and work again and great again. as donald trump said america first. but we keep hearing from hillary clinton, clinton first, not america first. lou: we are going to break away here for right now. congressman, it's great to have you with us. congressman chris collins. look forward 20 to seeing you soon. it's night two of the democratic national convention in philadelphia. among the notable speakers we'll be hearing in these coming hours. former attorney general eric holder for many people. it's not a must-watch moment but we'll see.

we'll hear from former governor vermont, howard dean and all the speeches leading up to the big speaker, the big moment. former president bill clinton will be making the case for his wife to follow in his footsteps and become president of the united states. joining us now, senior adviser and pollster to the trump campaign, kelly anne conway and washington news columnist charlie hurt and democratic strategist charlie hancock. kelly, it's going your candidate's way. this is the bounce many said thursday night in cleveland we would never see for donald trump. >> that's right. that's if you just look at the main horse race number where donald trump is beating hillary clinton by 3 or 4 points.

you put jill stein store gary johnson in there hillary clinton is at 39%. you look at the cross. we are up by 15 points among independents and the cnn poll actually, hillary clinton is beating trump by 4 points among women. but trump is beating hillary by 12 points. so who has the gender gap? hillary clinton. men distrust her and don't like her and do not want her to be president of the united states. >> in this environment, we have seen it all year long. outsiders versus insiders. the disrupter versus the status question, the disrupt erwins. and when we see all of these

events both here domestically and abroad, you have got a guy who is unafraid, talks about america first which is offensive to a lot of people in this room. he talks about he's the law and order candidate. he goes again and again and again, that's a winning message when you have things like cops being assassinated in dallas. i also think when you have these horrible events you see around the world. you have a priest in france beheaded by people claiming to be isis, whose feet do you lay that sort of carnage at? i don't know how you lay it at any other neat than president obama and hillary clinton for failure to take on this enemy. >> not the best argument for for missouri years. that's what's remarkable at this convention. every time they trash on a deficit in our society, millions

in poverty, kids who don't have healthcare. who has been in charge for 7 years. a lot of what you hear is what i would expect from an anti-incumbent convention. not somebody saying four more years. >> bernie sanders talked about the grotesque income inequality. whose fault is that? >> hold on, hold on. lou: hank, can you hear me? >> i can hear you loud and clear. this repetition of propaganda is getting annoying. the income be gap started in 1980 with the election of ronald reagan. the real issue is what goes on now and how does she get white men. the "new york times" had a story about it today.

not new news at all. lou: what do you think, kelly? >> whether it's new news or old news, it's still a conundrum for hillary clinton. what is she going to say this week or this year that will turn that around? over 70% of white men and 68% of all the voters including 38% of democrats say that hillary clinton is not honest nor trustworthy. how do you turn it around? you don't do it by trying to besmirch donald trump. elections are about the future, not the past. you can't just try to tear count opponent. distrust of her will outweigh distaste for him. >> i'm always amazed character assassination is a discussion between professionals. but a long way to go between now and there.

shy has problems. trump will have a lot more problems and this will be a tough election close. and you have to give her the edge today and say donald trump got bump that everybody else gets after a convention. and she'll get a bump too. >> obama never got that bump and you know it. >> this is the typical reaction. they are worried he can actually win. >> i'm not worried at all. lou: i'm worried that charlie hurt isn't getting enough air time so i'll turn to charlie for a second. >> going back to the income inequality and other problems we are hearing about that sounds like they would be running as -- against the incumbent, you know, go back 8 years ago. president obama at one point had a fully democratic congress, house and senate. they could have passed anything they wanted to. and if minimum wage and $100 an

hour would solve all our problems they could have don't. if banning guns everywhere, they could have don't and they didn't do it. that's what is showing how disingenuous democrats are being. a lot of these problems don't have simple answers but they want to break them down to simple answers. >> that may be true, but that's what sounds tbiets are about. it's going to get a lot more complicated. it's an argument the democrats will try to take back. it's in the big middle where it's always been. a lot of battles to be fought between now and then. you ain't won yet. lou: hank sheinkopf thanks so much. kelly anne conway and charlie hurt. up next, robert zimmerman.

another democrat. another superdelegate on "lou dobbs tonight" and protests heating up outside the wells fargo arena. sanders protesters locked out and behind the wall at the democratic national committee constructed that's 8 feet tall it's their wall. and materials protesters are locked out. they are voicing their frustrations with the events taking side inside this arena. the events that were supposed to say kumbaya, we are all together. in this instance, it's come by you. inside the arena where it's getting more interesting by the minute as we hurtle towards president clinton's address to the convention. stay with us. many people clean their dentures

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lou: you are looking at live pictures outside wells fargo center arena where the democratic national convention is in its second day. there is this protest and the number of protesters estimated at about 1,000. they have actually locked out these protesters. this is starting to become a little more than it was in the sense that the demonstrators are getting a little morage stated. one fel fellow carried a sign saying this is not a riot. and certainly it is not. but you can see these are very

unhappy people, unhappy with bernie sanders who they feel sold them out. these folks, as least that's what they are suggesting are also not lining up, not keug up for the kumbaya lane with hillary clinton's campaign. maybe that will change but it's increasingly a tru truculent and boisterous. the entrance gate has been changed to keep them out. bob zimmerman and more dan ortegas. this is a terrible metaphor for the party seeking unity to have

an 8-foot gate around the place. as sentencably democrats believing in walls on the campaign trail, and to lock it against the demonstrators. this is not the imagery you wanted. >> thanks for bringing it to our attention. there is security perimeters, gates that are put up. the fact that we have these gates here is always done for security purposes in both parties. these individuals are here, they are frustrated. they are not on board. but think of the progress that's been made. larry sabato said he thinks 80% of the sanders supporters are now with hillary clinton. you saw unity in this hall you thought wouldn't happen 6 months ago, 8 months ago. lou: 0% of the 13 million votes

bernie sanders would get would be 2.6 million people. that would represent just almost the margin of victory or barack obama in 2012, would it not? >> here's the point. this writes we are in july. i'm convinced as this campaign moves forward and we start focusing on the choice between donald trump and hillary clinton. we as a country have matured and the democratic party matured. and i don't think the sanders movement will want to be responsible for donald trump being president. >> i almost missed my hit coming in here with you because i was stopped by these supporters. they were vicious outside, they told me the democrats locked the doors. i don't see a lot of unity here. here is the central point. hillary clinton has to get the bernie sanders supporters something to vote for.

right now she is only offering her gender. they said that's not enough. i find it' insulting to assume that independent-minded women and voters will vote based off their gender alone. >> if that were the case you would be correct. you saw the democratic party come together unanimously around their platform, raising the minimum wage, focusing on making college more affordable. states have the right to lower the minimum wage. >> what are these people doing outside. >> these people are protesting. it's the democratic process. >> i was in cleveland and it was not like this. >> we have unity in this hall. unity around the country.

>> what will they have to do here tonight in bill clinton's speech to establish unity. i appreciate both of your objective opinions. you are here because you are not objective. we want your perspective and inside. but what he going to do tonight? >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders have got to make unity and i think they have. what bill clinton has to do is rally the party -- and he does this i think better than anybody in politic -- outline the choices and rally our party. >> i'm thinking of my father who is watching this show. my dad is from the south. he always said the hit dog

collars the loudest. what does that mean? the bernie sanders supporters note system is rigged against them. >> my dad is 94. he would say relax, have a knishe. lou: best to your dad and best to both of you. good to have you all with us. my next guest is asking the f.b.i. and other federal agencies to open a public corruption investigation into the across it of the bill, hillary and chelsea clinton foundation. joining us, congress woman marcia blackburn. great to have you with us. what do you expect to come of this investigation, a public pruption investigation into the foundation?

>> it is a public corruption foundation. and we heard back from the commissioner at the irs. it wasn't a form letter. it was a letter to me and my colleagues. he referred it to the tax exempt division. the american people have a right to know ways going on with the money. what is going on with the relationships. relationships that seem to be questionable and the american people have the right to get answers about the unusual business model that surrounds what is going on with the clinton foundation. they want to know about the speeches. they want to know why the clinton foundation has not filed their 990s.

why they never changed their mission from doing the clinton museum and the presidential archives into a global initiative. lou: i have got to interrupt for just a second. we are watching live pictures the tall security fence, a number of the sanders supporters and demonstrators who are walking around with signs and chanting "rigged." at least one has climbed over that fence, throwing things as you just saw there, over the fence. the gates have been locked. and the crowd seems to be getting just a little more rambunctious if you will. orderly to this point certainly. and we hope it continues that way. congresswoman.

are you surprised that the end indication the director of the f.b.i. has given congress on investigating public corruption, the clinton foundation, has been simply to push off and push away any suggestion he would comment? what do you make of his reaction to this point? >> i found it quite interesting that you had director comey to kind of push it off. tonight we have a comment as to whether or not they were investigating the clinton foundation. but there is reason to investigate them because there are questions of good government and conflict of interests. you have a former president, a former secretary of state. they have this foundation. they have taken money from foreign entities, and there is involvement with other countries. they are only giving 13% of what

they bring in to a stated mission. they pay twice in salaries and benefits what they pay for going out and helping with the mission of the foundation. when you talk about a sham charity, you have to ask, is this a sham charity? is it something people are watching and wanting to know where this money is going and what the real participation is? lou: congresswoman, we thank you very much. we look forward to seeing the response of the authorities. congresswoman marcia blackburn. thanks so much for being with us. up next sanders protesters as you see here, an estimated thousand locked out of the wells far dough center. some of them scaling the

security fence. things getting a little more -- the demonstrators are getting a little more agitated and frustrated. but you see someone polishing up bernie's bumper stickers. most of them are preserving their sense of humor and sense much order. next former presidential candidate herman cain joins me next. stay with us. i'm in vests and as a vested investor in vests, i invest with e*trade, where investors can investigate and invest in vests... or not in vests. this is my retirement.

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lou: you are looking at live video of protesters and demonstrators are getting louder. they are a little more agitated. they have been locked out of the arena for security purposes. the 8-foot tall fence or as some mockingly call it "the wall." these security fences in one form or another.

this one seems pretty robust by comparison to many others. certainly in cleveland not that heavy a gauge. but serving the same purpose. they are locking these gates here to keep the demonstrators, the sanders supporters away from the arena right now. er in citing security concerns for doing so. but it has been despite some of the antics, throwing things over the fence and some the protesters scaling the fence, it has been orderly and the demonstrators i think have been well behaved. joining me now, 2012 presidential candidate and radio talk show host herman cain. good to have you with us. we are looking at these pictures. i don't know if you can see them. but your reaction.

robert zimmerman was here, superdelegate for the democratic party. he's talking about this is democratic activity. what do you think? do you think that's what we are watching? does it concern you or disturb if you any way? >> it's a reaction to the fact that the bernie supporters feel betrayed twice. when bernie dropped out of the race and now he's singing kumbaya with hillary. they now know the dnc worked to basically make hillary the nominee. it was a selection process and not an election process. that's what these people are upset about. they feel as if they have been doubly betrayed. that's why they are demonstrating. lou: as you say, betrayed. based on what we have seen from

dnc leak, the emails, some 20,000 of them released by wikileaks. i don't understand why every bernie sanders supporter isn't upset with the democratic national committee. because there is sufficient evidence they manipulated and collude with the candidate who ultimately became the party nominee. it was an absolute subject version of those voters who you see there now demonstrating. i'm actually astonished at their good manners and the relatively modest level of frustration they are exhibiting. how about you? >> right. make no mistake about it. there isn't anything bernie sanders says that it agree with. however, his supporters feel as if they have been out there supporting him for nothing. and now he's asking them support hillary clinton. this convention tonight and the

rest of this week will be no news, no new leadership. that's what's going to come out of this convention this week. bill clinton speaking tonight. no new leadership, no new news. that will be the dark convention versus what they claim the republican convention was. at least the republicans talked about new ideas, they had new leadership, and when they are not going to talk about isis or islamic radical terrorism. it just basically thumbs its nose at the american people because they don't want to face the real problems they face. these protesters are just upset that they have been double crossed and deceived. more demonstrators in other locations crossing the fence apparently.

not many, certainly not many that i have seen. herman cain. what does bill clinton have to do tonight? he has to navigate pretty carefully his wife's political ambitions and her desire to win the presidency. also his record as president and a change for the democratic party. >> what bill clinton has to do he can't do because bill clinton is going to be about old news, old leadership, and told ideas. he doesn't have any new ideas that he can promise people that his wife is going to bring to the party. so he has scene uphill battle. i lievit wl beome the sa oldhesee's ing put theable and 's n goi to spir anyby. he w ablto ipireeopl en hran r priden caushe me a t of promes, me owhiche clmed kep

t hean'to wh he eds do. at hneedto dis ce ean th t amecan ople they aren't going to do that at this convention. bill clinton or hillary clinton. that will be another disappointing political speech. lou: herman cain, thanks so much for joining me. joining me now, david bossie, united and the citizens united foundation. if not david bossie's name. >> i'm grateful none of them watch fox. so we weren't recognized. but you know what? i feel good with the company i keep. you know, the democrats want to attack the first amendment and

citizens united. they have no agenda for america so they can only tear us down. lou: we are looking at a party that may or may not be united but is showing signs of being fractured along the lines of bernie sanders and hillary clinton despite the best efforts last night of bernie sanders. how big is this issue going to be with the voting public at large across the country to folks not in this arena? >> without the dnc email leak, they could have been able to have at the convention. but this email leak from the people i'm talking to. the folks you see out here protesting which i encourage, by the way, as a first amendment guy i think that's what america -- >> it's being very, very orderly making their protest.

that is indeed the american way. jeff flock its outside the arena and he has the latest on ways going on there. it looks here -- we see a lot of folks agitated. what are you seeing? >> reporter: it's a volatile situation. we have had four people climb over this fence. the police have come in and chained the gate shut. a lot of people in the crowd say we want this to be peaceful, but you can see it's an angry crowd. i think everyone under estimate the passion of this crowd. talking to people tonight, what do you hope to accomplish? >> tonight it's more a show of peace. we are going to be non-violent. but we want it to be known this was a stolen election. the results are not valid.

the exit polls have been off by a deviation of at least 10 points in new york. i want more than debbie wasserman-schultz to step down. there needs to be an investigation into the dnc and how this happened. reporter: is there any way you can vote for hillary clinton in the fall? >> absolutely not. >> they don't want party unity. it was clear when they chose tim kaine as the running mate and took tpp out of the platform. when they let debbie wasserman-schultz step down and put her on hillary clinton's campaign as an honorary chairwoman. reporter: it was your brother who jumped the fence? >> yes. we are both very active. he drove voters to the polls in baltimore where he experienced voter suppression. reporter: the police have done a good job. but one of the things that set

the officers off was pepper spray of one of the protesters. that's not something they expected. this has been a non-violent crowd. but i would say a volatile situation which we'll continue to watch. lou: you mentioned pepper spray. why did the police use pepper spray? >> they were doing what they are doing right now, they were bang on the fence. the fence did not come down, they were bang on it, and it's a fairly strong fence. reporter: what are you hoping to accomplish tonight? >> we are raising awareness about the awareness that was stolen by the democratic party. not through the fears of trump. look at wikileaks, show them. reporter: you are not afraid after donald trump in the fall.

>> i'm afraid of the democratic party who is secretly take our rights away while we are scared of a candidate who may take our rights away. lou: the two young men you found to talk with articulated their views, i thought, with great passion. but calmly and very effectively. and i just want to ask about donald trump and this young man very clearly says they are worried about a democratic party that already took their rights away. >> hillary clinton needs to watch that. that's her essence of her problem november. if she cannot get those bernie sanders supporters to not believe the thumb was on the

scale at the dnc, and they had a fair shot, and we now know they didn't. lou: it went well beyond a thumb on the scale. this is the essence of the problem. to be honest with you, that's what we, the folks running the anti-hillary operations across the country at citizens united and at our defeat crooked hillary super pac. we'll be focusing on those very people. we want to make sure they understand they have options. lou: i have to tell you, i'm impressed by these bernie sanders supporters. each of them -- there have been four people scale the wall according to jeff's reporting, and within a thousand people that's remarkable. one incident where pepper spray was used to push back some members that crowd. they are making a very important point, and that is that the democratic national committee subverted their will and those

of other voters supporting bernie sanders. we have seen nothing like this. we were supposed to see thing like this at the rnc and they weren't so upset about ted cruz. it never materialized. >> we saw people protesting didn't issues. in cleveland it was very peaceful. this is what america is all about right here. i encourage this kind protest. the police are handling it in the correct manner. >> it's amazing. they are -- they are supporting a socialist who was cheered by this entire arena last night. it's going to be a divide that i don't know if it will be easily resolved or not. >> donald trump has a lot of work to do. he will be able to get some of these people. there are people in this crowd who will end up voting for donald trump.

lou: i don't know who will vote for him and who will not. both of those young demonstrators suggest an acumen for politics and education and they may be dispassionate enough to listen to didn't views. >> the anger is quite present. lou: good to have you with us, david bossie. up next, bernie sanders supporters are making their voices heard, even if they are voices heard, even if they are outside this convention hall. we lee assess the events surrounding and within this arena next. we are coming to you live in wells fargo center in philadelphia on night two of the democratic national convention.

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lou: bernie sanders supporters have turned into protesters and they are demonstrate outside the wells fargo areason ra. jeff -- arena. jeff flock is there. reporter: as we reported, they shut this one gate down. and chained the gate shut as perhaps you can see. now the protesters are moving apparently they say that the delegates have been locked inside the media tent, the dnc has locked the sanders delegates up so they are not able to talk

to reporters. this is what the protesters are being told. i can't independently confirm that. so they are en masse smog down to where that location is in hopes of perhaps persuading the authority to as they say free their delegates. as i said, i cannot confirm that in fact that's what happened. but that's what the protesters are being told out here. lou: jeff, if you will wait just a moment, we'll stay with you. i want to turn to carrie picket. carrie has some new information for us and i want to quickly go to that. you were in the press tent. >> i was around the area. and one of my reporters ended up telling us -- was inside the press tent. what happened was you had a number of delegates bust into

the press tent and caused complete chaos and take it over. what ended up happening was the police came in -- lou: you saying protesters. >> the delegates. lou: they took over the press tent. lou: how many delegates. >> i don't have an exact number. i'm guessing at least 20-30. but right now i'm hearing you had the reporters ended up being kicked out. and the police have locked out the press tent. so reporters cannot get back inside. >> today was the day thing were supposed to calm down. we saw protesters on the streets sunday. and the idea was that after the roll call vote and after bernie sanders sort of assented to losing there would be a calm-down effect. but clearly there are diehard bernie people who aren't taking

it. >> the total number of these protesters estimated at about a thousand. they have been orderly. a few folk have jumped the fence and have been arrested. i understand they were also arrested when the delegates took over the press tent. how many of them? >> i don't have an exact number. but there was a s.w.a.t. truck that was being load up from what i understand. lou: you don't have a sense of how many were arrested? >> we don't have a sense right now. lou: let's go back to jeff flock. now the accept traitors seem to have stopped there. jeff? reporter: just tried to get a light on the camera, obviously night is falling. we have a march that they are saying they want to try to free those delegates. i just heard your reporting on it as well.

this crowd is moving en masse. it's noting, this is much bigger of a crowd and much more passionate than anything we saw in cleveland. and what they are going to do, i don't know. they have been very non-violent thus far, and i don't have any reason to believe it will go otherwise. but they are very upset tonight. they are very, very upset tonight. lou: we have seen it and we have seen very little in the way of of bad behavior, i'll put it that way. i think they have been remarkably well-behaved in conducting themselves peacefully and maintaining order. the police for their part handling this situation. they have been very constrained as well. david bossie, the president of citizens united told me he

endorses this kind of protest 100%. it seems to be up until this point mr. there seemed to be agitation and frustration but nothing bordering on real anger. >> i'm sure there are some delegates in this group. but there is self the groups among the bernie people. there is a whole group of delegates and among them there are diehard. and then there are a lot of people who are not delegates. they came to philadelphia. >> do you think all of the people who took over the press tent were delegates? >> not necessarily all delegates. you will have supporters going in there as well. the biggest mistake the democrats made is thinking they could trot sanders out to calm people down. but this whole democrat socialist movement is bigger than warn and bernie. if they feel they have been

betrayed by warn or bernie they will find another vehicle to move it forward. lou: these may be sanders supporters look for new leadership and new expression for the movement. >> i think what we saw the last couple days is bernie sanders doesn't control these people. and in no way does he control them. he can't tell them what to do. lou: and he will learn this week. carrie picket, byron york, thank you. jeff flock we'll come back to you on the other side. stay with us as night two of the democratic national convention continuings with more extracurricular activity than we expected. we are waiting for former president bill clinton to step on the stage to speak here tonight. coming up, trish regan and tom sullivan join me.ns stay with us. you're covered!" on page fws. ive? no. it said,

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>> hillary wants the message is is normal. this is not normal. i can't think of a recent convention where you have seen this kind of upset. it happened outside my hotel in philly. i came outside and was greeted by a slew of protesters. people are angry. they feel have much betrayed. after the emails were revealed, this was the worst fear and it was true. lou: tom sullivan, the hillary clinton campaign trying to paper over this. it doesn't look like tonight it's working here in philadelphia. >> no.

i agree with trish. this is democracy. this ways it looks like. i agree they are mad at the party because the party -- well, in the case of the democrats, tried to put a fix in. they were going to pick the candidate, not the people. and the people's voices haven't been heard. and we don't know how it would have turned out if the democrats, the dnc had not put their thumb on the scale. and the last time you saw anything like this, and this is patty cakes, 1968 democratic convention in chicago. this is democracy. >> we'll have to go a long way to get close to that one. these folks have been orderly. we have seen some fence jumpers if you will. and people throwing things over. but otherwise, even the people -- two people jeff flock talked with before we went to break.

these were terrifically articulate spokesmen for the sanders move. they were sold out here in philadelphia. i'm going to get -- >> oh, no. no. no. i disagree with that. just a second. i want to see if i can get jeff flock see if he can hear me. he's in the midst of all of that. >> we are in the midst of this, lou, and we have a massive protest march, unplanned, unpermitted, whatever you want to call it. but i would say hundreds if not thousands are now marching on broad street from the convention toward the center of town. they are taking this protest into the streets of philadelphia, and i just talked to one of the protest organizers who would not say where they're going. i don't know where they're going. they're moving away from the convention center.

so the anger if anything has intensified, lou. lou: are you saying that they have moved beyond where the delegates are prevented from leaving after they've taken over the press tent? >> they were headed there to too provide support for them, and then i don't know what sparked it, but they have now embarked on a march toward the center of the city away from the convention. but as i said workers' compensation hundreds if not thousands of people pouring into the streets and marching right now. and i don't know where they're headed. i don't know what the vision is. >> jeff, it's trish, they had to put up a second barricade. did they not today to try to prevent anything challenging happening as we saw earlier people scaling the fence? >> well, they didarca